gameplay-help

[elfin hollow]

I do

[hollow gust]

Oh shit I'm blind, just use Kazegumo then

[elfin hollow]

Do you want to rechange the fleets now 😭 (ik she very good with boosting up air)

[spring bolt]

just wait till tomorrow when it goes down to 0 ap, it's still early stage of the month

[dusky vale]

Who should I focus on limit breaking

[hollow gust]

Finishing Yorktown and Musashi, then Amagi

[soft raft]

and you can scrap all of those UvH dupes unless you want to keep them

[still nest]

How do you have so many ulrich

[jaunty ingot]

any suggestions? (ignore levels)

[elfin hollow]

Which will be my light cv fleet and heavy

[keen sable]

good bye percy

[jaunty ingot]

do i replace with formi?

[hollow gust]

Aurora fleet is light

[keen sable]

dido, qe too

[jaunty ingot]

i don't have any current replacements for those so idk what i need to wait for

[hollow gust]

Basically anything is better

Also how do you not have Nelson

[jaunty ingot]

used to have a giant dock space issue, and i never thought i'd need her

[soft raft]

[Insert obligatory "Faction fleet bad" statement here]

[elfin hollow]

So aurora fleet is light

[jaunty ingot]

you'd hate to see my fleets..lol

[eager mulch]

I’d like to see the fleets

[elfin hollow]

I have brest too yk

[eager mulch]

what about her

[hollow gust]

I mean you can replace Heinrich ,

[copper glacier]

Can I have duplicates of the same ship in OpSi? Like, can I have a Unicorn in fleet 1 and in fleet 3 when I am going through OpSi missions?

[solid maple]

Yes, but shouldn't

[copper glacier]

But Unicorn keeps my ships alive

[solid maple]

Just use other healer

Start with Shouhou, Zuihou, Ryuhou, Perseus, Aquila, Volga and more

[cobalt rapids]

or dont use another healer

[copper glacier]

Out of all of those the only ones I have are Volga, Perseus, and Shouhou, but the only one that is limit broken is Shouhou.

[cobalt rapids]

unicorn in 1 fleet is all u need
the other fleets for bossing

[mint flint]

other fleets should be boss fleets, and you dont need a healer in boss fleets

[copper glacier]

That's the exact opposite of how I've been playing. Unicorn is in my boss fleet because without her the bosses take so much HP I can't handle the regular mobs haha

[mint flint]

if you kill the bosses fast enough you wont take damage and die

[still nest]

Should I buy loggers or finish those classified files first? (I don't have AP rn)

[solid maple]

Yeah, why do i?

[mint flint]

you can then go repair

[solid maple]

File better

[mint flint]

you only need healers in mob fleets because you'll inevitably take chip damage

[copper glacier]

Repair costs AP though ><

[solid maple]

It not comsume any AP

[mint flint]

do it at a port, it only costs a few hundred supply coins

[solid maple]

But it 1 time item

[cobalt rapids]

siren loggers and hidden loggers first

[solid maple]

No, it cost token

AP is for changing your ships💀

You can even use emergency heal box

[cobalt rapids]

fleet deployment is free once a day

[solid maple]

Free once after 24 hour from last time

[still nest]

Is this AP enough to finish them all?

[cobalt rapids]

u have the entire month to finish them

[copper glacier]

Who do I LB next? LOL.

Ignore Honshou META

[cobalt rapids]

classified files are one time and permanent non refresh but siren and hidden loggers reset each month

so u get class loggers with ur spare vouchers

[solid maple]

Bellona is my priority

Yat Sen if you wanna try running Chinese vanguard

Other is up to your simp

Fu Shun also good but her other sister now has retrofit but she won't

So wait for her retrofit to come to be built

[copper glacier]

Thank you! I get so many purple bulins I'm kind of running out of things to do with them. Wish I got more gold bulins. I have lots of SR ships that need to be LB.

[solid maple]

I more lack of gold bulin than rainbowlin ngl

[still nest]

I bought all loggers

[solid maple]

@copper glacier NVM, i also waiting for Ingraham oath too

[cobalt rapids]

thats fine as long as u got the rainbow books aswell

[solid maple]

It fine as long as you can buy everything except META shard and Adaptation capsule

Those 2 is in my lowest priority in dat shop

[cobalt rapids]

coins adapts fragments help and hidden zone logger unless it makes u clear more hiddens which otherwise u wouldve skipped

are all low prio

[eager mulch]

im waiting for a helena oath skin

[little tree]

~~ it won't happen~~

[slim hinge]

Which is more worth it? Craft a second Prototype Spearfish or a fifth Wyvern?

[cobalt rapids]

neither

[slim hinge]

Huh? Why?

[stark quiver]

You don’t need more than 4 wyvern

[eager mulch]

Because why do you need them

[cobalt rapids]

consider when ull use a 5th wyvern or a 2nd(1st?) spearfish

[stark quiver]

Spearfish hyper niche

[eager mulch]

what niche

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't call it niche per say

[eager mulch]

it’s good in general just as much as wyvern

[viscid swift]

it's just really hard to justify its asking price

[drowsy pendant]

does amagi cv factor into any triple carrier fleets? my op si 3 carrier main is shinano/haku/implace

[eager mulch]

it’s shinano/amagi/implac now

[cobalt rapids]

replace haku on heavy

[stoic ermine]

is there a sakura backliner with slow that one could run in implacable's place for le faction fleet buff?

[cobalt rapids]

no

u can sabotage ur fleet with suzunami if u want

[forest palm]

if you could guarantee the target doesn't move you can replace Imp, but for general use Haku gets tossed

[solid maple]

TF isn't she already have?

[viscid swift]

it's a joke, Turtle is really waiting for the Amagi Chan Oath skin coming 2026 maybe

[solid maple]

Heavy armored target most move slowly nor stand still, so 3 JP CV also banger

[eager mulch]

i am not actually

[forest palm]

I just dump Haku for Amagi, and call it a day

[solid maple]

You can use vamguard ship to slow or stop them too

[viscid swift]

fake simp

[eager mulch]

im waiting for amagi-chan cv

I would never oath a child

[solid maple]

I know one who biggest Helena simp even Turtle can't stand before him

[cobalt rapids]

moving on

[solid maple]

You shouldn't and better not

[still nest]

When's tenrai coming to gearlab?

[cobalt rapids]

maybe in ~january based on past schedule

[still nest]

I need like 4 tenrai too right?

[cobalt rapids]

u want like 2

with gearlab going for 3rd is fine depending on what materials itll use and ur depot

[still nest]

I see, I'm finally free at pr4 focus then if I got my 2nd tenrai?

[cobalt rapids]

Ye

Hopefully aegir is d30 and haku d30+ aswell

[still nest]

I'm unlucky I guess, I should use this for Aegir right? (I'm planning to mlb amagai cv next)

[cobalt rapids]

Yes use ur catchup for both haku and aegir

[chilly birch]

Hey team, given it's a down week and I have plenty of oil for once I'm gonna finally finish off world 15. I'm up to 15-3 and haven't tried it yet. What's the gimmick and what's the ideal mob and boss fleet? I have everyone that I should need except for Musashi

[cobalt rapids]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[chilly birch]

I'll have a look, cheers

[grizzled sundial]

If you use all kind of buff and specific gears , a battleship will always fire her barrage first before CV launch her airstrike ? Except for those with pre-load of course.

[cobalt rapids]

Depends on ship skills and gear

[weary gust]

What if a BB has preload and so does a CV, who goes first?

[grizzled sundial]

Currently i only have a few Sakuran ship to work toward getting enough points for Haku , Watarase is one of those and her skill gimmick is that she fire special barrage when flagship attack .

[cobalt rapids]

But yes usually 20s gun bb with hpfcr will usually fire before a non fast launch cv with normal plane setup

[cobalt rapids]

Flagship or mby not

Apparently its the cv

[opaque gate]

shimanto any good? and why cant i use coins to upgrade her?

[viscid swift]

yes and because the PR6 PRs haven't got coining yet

[haughty pine]

Hey all when do u estimate new news comes out for AL? Been refreshing every hour 😔

[dusky vale]

is it worth it to build 4 UvH so i can have one in every opsi team

[eager mulch]

you can’t even do that

can’t use dupes in opsi

[dusky vale]

oh i see

is it worth it to build 2 for farming purposes for campaign?

[eager mulch]

no

[hearty fractal]

Which UR gear should i focus on getting from research lab again

[eager mulch]

it’s never worth raising dupes

[little tree]

~~ what about 2 amagi chan~~

[zenith locust]

would u recommend buying this?

[tame jungle]

Not really

[zenith locust]

The tier list website says that it's good for AvP

[tame jungle]

I’ve honestly never had a situation where i couldn’t get avp to launch fast enough so

[hearty fractal]

Man i wish UR steam catapult would exist

[haughty pine]

What does this emoji mean 😭

[tame jungle]

Crystal ball

[opaque gate]

how do i upgrade shimanto quickly if coining is not yet avail.?

[cursive lark]

Not that quick, but pick shimanto whenever she's there

[haughty pine]

Does that mean u guys don't know either?

[tame jungle]

Correct

[cursive lark]

Yes we do not know at all

[haughty pine]

Aight thanks

[hearty fractal]

Does retrofitting ships give you tech points?

[eager mulch]

no

[hearty fractal]

So theres no point in retroing the fodder ships besides leveling and mlbing them?

[eager mulch]

collection%

[hearty fractal]

Eh, that doesn't give any rewards really

[plain saffron]

Yep

[tender python]

how many bf109g do I need?

[atomic abyss]

Well

3 at minimum

You may need as many as 6 later

@tender python

[storm heron]

do ships deal increased damage on safe threat 0?

[atomic abyss]

No

They take less, they don't deal more

[eager mulch]

they do deal more

[eager mulch]

they do deal more damage

[storm heron]

can I ignore it when I calculate harbin vs bayard?

[eager mulch]

I don’t know what you’re calculating but it’s 20% more damage dealt

[storm heron]

is it multiplicative with level difference?

[spring bolt]

threat level gives you virtual level differece at 0, so it IS level difference until it hit lv 25 cap

[normal crane]

Who can equip this gear?

[little tree]

any BB or BC or do you mean who's it best on?

[normal crane]

The later

[spring bolt]

depend on the content you are doing and your fleet comp
tldr is it's more suitable for late game mob and bosses don't do helena sync

[storm heron]

I see, so level 120 will deal 18% more damage towards 121 enemies on 0 threat safe

[sweet delta]

Yes, assuming the map threat had 10 levels

[normal crane]

I usually just farm 12-1

[spring bolt]

if farming, no need to care about it as long as you can beat the stage

[normal crane]

What about for clearing campaign 13? I haven't touched it

[stark quiver]

It’s good
Tho you might run 3 cv for 13

[spring bolt]

it is used on mob flag BB

[normal crane]

Ohh so I should run 3 cv for mobs fleet?

[normal crane]

[spring bolt]

you can, 3 carriers mob is a viable option, as well as bb+2 carriers. further decreasing carriers is not recommended unless you know what you are doing.

[normal crane]

What about the boss fleet?

[atomic abyss]

Usually 1 BB 2 CV

But 3 CV works for 13

[normal crane]

Ehh so just slap 3 cv each for boss and mobs fleet

[atomic abyss]

I mean

If you have the gear for 6 carriers sure

[spring bolt]

you can if you want to

[stark quiver]

It works both ways, if you don’t have enough AA in your fleet, you can run 3 cv, if you do you can run 1bb2cv

[keen sable]

if you have 6 carriers better than your best bb sure but i doubt it

[normal crane]

I only have these, and yeah gear also is my problem here

[versed swift]

i´m four pulls away from getting shinano

but i don´t have team for her, could someone help me 🙂 ?

[keen sable]

you have 4 spare urins?

[stark quiver]

If you can’t mlb her, don’t use her

[storm heron]

I'm ready to get bashed with this test

[viscid swift]

what exactly is your point with the test for one

[stark quiver]

just because

[viscid swift]

2, is this factoring out AA damage

[versed swift]

Yes i have 4*

[storm heron]

Ah no, it is just numbers on screen, assuming they have the same AA damage

[viscid swift]

yeah no

[storm heron]

How do I factor out the AA and stuff?

[keen sable]

in conclusion, mog sucks

[spring bolt]

so you are just recording data for fun? good, carry on

[storm heron]

how do people do this kind of stuff?

[spring bolt]

what kind of stuff? what's your goal of these test?

[storm heron]

Maybe I should start giving them same equips ig

I was testing bayard vs harbin in campaign

[keen sable]

amagii would be good

[sharp socket]

for backline at least
mob: fdg, unicorn, indep/volga
boss: alsace, shinano, cvmagi

[deep solstice]

there is oil cap on chapters 9+ right?

[soft raft]

after 100% clear yes

[normal crane]

Thankies thankies

[deep solstice]

ok that's good ot know. I was ready to use full fleet instead of 3/4 ships to clear

[soft raft]

????
You should still be using full fleets to clear anyways, the fuck

[sharp socket]

double healer on mob will be used through w14/15 cause it hurts in there, swap out indep if you need to in w13

[deep solstice]

uses up a ton of oil no?

[soft raft]

do you honestly think that you can afford to lethal clear higher campaign content with 4 ships

[keen sable]

there's no cost limit on clearing

[deep solstice]

but that's for later. rn my ships are like lv 110+ and im fighting lv 90 enemies

so it works for now

[viscid swift]

unless you're certain you can clear just use a full fleet

[storm heron]

When there's a question about how good is bayard, how do I compare her? Do I just calculate the stats compared to someone similar like harbin, or do I test them? Where do I test their damage, if I want to disregard the anti air aspect, w14?

[spring bolt]

there are a lot of variables here...
1, use unified backlines, different backlines might give you different result
2, ideally only test them when they are maxed
3, use same vanguards and change bayard/harbin only, never test them in a same fleet, that is mostly pointless
4, compare clear time not damage dealt
5, only fight same enemy and keep an eye out for ammo
so in clusion, if you want the result to be more conclusive, test more backline comps and test more enemy types, overall it will be very time and oil consuming while the result isn't something very important imo...
i've done this before, don't do it unless you are really bored

[viscid swift]

it's also just a case of practicality

[eager mulch]

both are T8 in wows

[storm heron]

Good point, thanks so much, especially about point 3 and 4

[viscid swift]

we'll usually have a good ballpark idea of where a ship is just from seeing stats, barrage numbers and patterns and unless you're really min maxing the difference isn't going to matter usually anyway

i.e. Bayard is not that accessible and there's better ships than her for pretty much every role where you would look into min maxing that much

[eager mulch]

you’re right, bayard is in the premium shop while Harbin is tech tree

[atomic abyss]

Another issue is that

Iirc from Bayard's kit
She wants to be low HP

And unlike Harbin, she definitely isn't geared towards heavy as much

So you're gonna get very different performances depending on their team mates

[eager mulch]

I’d say bayard is good without being low hp

[keen sable]

that just means harbin sucks even more than bayard

[viscid swift]

not to mention a lot of Bayard's damage is tied to her barrages which aren't targetted

[atomic abyss]

Well, yes

The question then is, how good is she without half her kit lol

I would say compare like with like

So stuff like Sandy (in non AA worlds) or Chap would be better

And ofc Plymouth

[wet granite]

Is Hidenburg good? She's the only series 6 ship I'm missing, and I'm not sure whether to start her or start on PR 7

[atomic abyss]

She is very good
But the series 7 rainbows are better

[storm heron]

Yeah harbin torps hurts a lot

[atomic abyss]

If you haven't gotten kears to 30 yet tho

I would stick with PR6

Better to at least finish her rather than leave her half assed for the next few months

[storm heron]

well nevermind my test then, I used them in same fleet soo not really conclusive

[atomic abyss]

Yeah same fleet tests are never conclusive

Since the very way you arranged them may affect them

[wet granite]

She is. I've got Kear at 30, and the SR ships at FS 5. I just don't know how long it'll take to get the last 250 prints for Hindenburg.

[storm heron]

like bayard deals more damage if main tank

[atomic abyss]

250? I would just stick with Hindy then
That's halfway through

[viscid swift]

that's gonna be a weeks at least still

[atomic abyss]

Definitely won't be the months needed to complete the DR7s from scratch

[storm heron]

yeah they got the SRs and kearsarge, just gotta rely on faces

[atomic abyss]

I'd stick and finish up Hindy
Especially given you won't have as much faces yeah

[wet granite]

Got it! Tyvm!

[sweet delta]

@storm heron got a video? I need to study 6 BB w15

[little tree]

Is kearsage good i see people saying she has niche uses ?

[storm heron]

definitely using nj and nocal

[atomic abyss]

She is both
Niche, but very good at said niche

[sweet delta]

She is the best in niche situations, but also rainbow good in general

[noble tulip]

Found a stable Renown meta one shot comp

[sweet delta]

man up with 0 support carriers?

[wind hazel]

big cat number

[sweet delta]

Hasn't stable renown existed since it first got dossiered

[storm heron]

damn my cat isn't even dev26

[viscid swift]

kinda not really

[storm heron]

could test the limit on that

[noble tulip]

Dont think so afaik

[sweet delta]

Even before eldridge

Depends on what stable means I suppose

[noble tulip]

Stable means 100% kill rate

[viscid swift]

I think there was one comp with Kearsarge, Zwei, and Yk2 but as I never did get around to fine-tuning the reload on that

[sweet delta]

100% doesn't exist

All it takes is for Eldridge to never proc rainbow and your vanguard to die

[noble tulip]

What are the odds on that though

[sweet delta]

But 99% is respectable

[atomic abyss]

I mean I have done testing with D25 Nakh

And well

She cooks

I did almost burn down the entire kitchen

But she does outdps AvP by that point so

[storm heron]

wait really? omg, can d24 do the same

[atomic abyss]

No

24 doesn't have 9 planes

But well, there is the fact that you do need to sacrifice a vanguard slot for a Voro or Tashkent so

[noble tulip]

Any decent Eldridge comp could get a decent winrate but what makes nya so stable is her 3rd skill which guarantees her to launch her 3rd airstrike, you need to tune your reload properly though

[atomic abyss]

Note: Burning down the kitchen levels of cooking here

Damage decreased due to Unzen rng

[obsidian ivy]

Is the spearfish actually good in W15

[storm heron]

100k rng

[atomic abyss]

It can be
Wyvern is generally safer tho
And cheaper to craft

[little tree]

That's way better kitchen is fine

[atomic abyss]

Cos now she has a chance of actually dying

Unzen can't exactly carry a manjuu

[sharp socket]

my CVs are doing pretty low to metato, is it just “use mog and triple CV or shit damage”

[storm heron]

can michita even use manjuu?

[viscid swift]

no

[sharp socket]

by pretty low i mean 600k total of the 6 ships

[viscid swift]

1.42 million HP and among other things 75 eva does do that

[atomic abyss]

Meta faction unfortunately
Not US

[storm heron]

u sure ur vanguard did not die? I use soyuz shina haku and deal 900k consistently

[atomic abyss]

I'd just bite the bullet and throw in Amagi or something else
Even Alsace

[sharp socket]

meanwhile my BB fleet gets 800k minimum and up to 995k

[storm heron]

must be the +10 planes

[atomic abyss]

I'd say the AvP is the issue

[atomic abyss]

I mean look what the kitchen remains were

For nageta, AvP is wholly unnecessary

[viscid swift]

Implacable without La-9 was already feeling a bit underwhelming, AvP is gonna do a lot worse than Implac

[sharp socket]

i can go use what suchi cooked, which is fwA6/helldiver/ryusei

[wind hazel]

just stick to your bb

[atomic abyss]

If amagi isn't raised, use Alsace

Goose was using Alsace, so was I

[sharp socket]

converge wont miss?

[storm heron]

yeah alsace good to help mog survive

[atomic abyss]

Metato doesn't move till your last airstrike

[sharp socket]

so i just miss one strike

[wind hazel]

can miss 3rd strike, so have to adjust timing

[atomic abyss]

No, you use eld or mog

To maximise the last strike

[wind hazel]

but you oathed shinano so idk what cursed timing you require

[atomic abyss]

Or you can use Soyuz's slow and attempt to sync

[sharp socket]

can she live though

[wind hazel]

no

[viscid swift]

I would use Alsace if I had a +13 460

[atomic abyss]

I actually did manage to sync Alsace 457 with Shinano and Hakuryuu for what it's worth...

But that's for Eldridge proc

[storm heron]

+8 helldiver

[storm heron]

rip moggers

[wind hazel]

just take your 2shot with BB, it's pointless trying to maximimize a 2shot

800k or 1m or 1.3m it's still 2shot

[sharp socket]

im minmaxing cv fleet because it sounds fun

[atomic abyss]

I mean it is fun

[sweet delta]

1.3m is a 1shot if you get helped by a noob, while 800k requires many noobs or a boomer to help

[atomic abyss]

But unless you throw in Amagi in there i don't think you're cooking

[storm heron]

does that actualy works?

[sharp socket]

it also doesnt impact my w15 plans at all to build for this so im very willing to do stuff

[storm heron]

I thought that feature is useless

[wind hazel]

that sounds like just hit enough support button to me

[wind hazel]

it's by far the most useful button

[storm heron]

I mean I can see it being useful for noobs with 100k damage

[wind hazel]

also for lazy people

[storm heron]

but for people with 2 shot whyy

[wind hazel]

saves oil, that's why

[sweet delta]

40 oil

[storm heron]

40 oil per day

[sweet delta]

80

[viscid swift]

80

[wind hazel]

yes do that until meta is over and see how much oil is that

[storm heron]

what you gonna do with 500 gold, even merchant gives more per day

[sweet delta]

2% of a day's income, completely unacceptable!!!

[viscid swift]

what 500 gold

[storm heron]

6.3 gold/oil

[wind hazel]

what the fuck are you talking about

[storm heron]

the 12-4 oil to gold conversion

[zenith peak]

pray

[viscid swift]

there's more than just gold to be had

[storm heron]

either that or 4.1 gold/oil when event exist

[sharp socket]

its 6.7, 6.3 is 12-1 i think

[wind hazel]

80 oil per day is 2400 oil a month.

2400 oil can give you a lot of stuff

[sharp socket]

though my personal calculations give me 7, maybe im just lucky

[wind hazel]

if hitting a button saves me 2400 oil a month i'd do it

[storm heron]

Hmm true, 2x3 runs of 13-4

one year and you can have 72 more runs of 13-4 than others

actually significant

[wind hazel]

nah it's 6.3 gold per oil

[sweet delta]

162 extra chips per year

[little tree]

That's like chump chnage in chips

[sharp socket]

that includes battle rewards?

[wind hazel]

idk, im quoting him

[viscid swift]

I'll take, need all you can get these days

[storm heron]

pretty sure yes, 13-4 gives around 2.87k gold per run for 392 oil, 7.1 ish according to the thingy on pins

[sharp socket]

im referring to 12-4

[storm heron]

pins are accurate then

[sharp socket]

12-4 is 6.7 at minimum including battle rewards

[storm heron]

time to test

you are right, I sit corrected

[sweet delta]

There are two tables in the pin and both only consider clearing rewards, not node drops

[thick venture]

How much bp should I coin everyday? Or should I just research more of those researches that use coin
I'm doing 12-4 regularly and I'm reaching max coin everyday

[eager mulch]

ok gn

[wet granite]

Would Guam + Shinmato + Felix work as a W15 vanguard?

[sweet delta]

Maximum of 10 per rarity, you should spend less if you need the coins for actual research projects

[sharp socket]

if someone knows how to use excel thatd be great cause i dont know how to sum and turn data into something usable

[sweet delta]

Try it and find out, it's just about consistency and your account strength

[thick venture]

=sum
Then highlight the rows u want summed

[sweet delta]

=MEAN(C2:C9001)
Or average or something

[viscid swift]

should be =SUM(<firstbox>:<lastbox>)

[tall reef]

She is good?

[rain vine]

no

[eager mulch]

she is no good

[viscid swift]

she's FP tech, that's it

[sweet delta]

Creo que no

[tall reef]

[sharp socket]

how do i get sum of everything divided by total oil cost which is 317 per row

[storm heron]

you get the average from the two columns first

=AVERAGE(<click first box top left>:<click last box bottom right>)
oh no I mean mutate(total.coins = battle.rewards + clearing.rewards) then summarize(average.per.clear = mean(totalcoins))

[sweet delta]

Average(columnstart:columnend) / 317

[jaunty vault]

whats he trying to prove

[storm heron]

nvm im bad

[sweet delta]

I think he's trying to contribute data to the wiki

Even if he's not, it'll still end up on the wiki

[jaunty vault]

that reminds me

[eager mulch]

gn cooper im going to bed

[jaunty vault]

gn babe

[sweet delta]

Please provide the average of drops and the average of clearing rewards and the total number of runs

[sharp socket]

i think i figured it out

[storm heron]

what do you get?

[sweet delta]

I want these 3 intermediate numbers

[sharp socket]

i got lazy after a while but ill get back to it

from top to bottom (im bad at formatting)
Total battle rewards
Total clearing rewards
average of battle rewards over x runs
average of clearing rewards over x runs
number of runs = x = 35

the last one i key in manually cause i havent figured out how to do it automagically yet

[storm heron]

n()

[sharp socket]

it has to recognise that a cell has something in it if not the number will be 1000 and itll break

[storm heron]

crazy that you get 2033 on the clearing rewards

[sweet delta]

Better ask in elp instead of gph

Yeah you were luckier than whoever the wiki data came from

[sharp socket]

i put in the wrong number, its now accurately 1976

[still nest]

How? My coins are constantly below 1k

[stark quiver]

farm more

[sweet delta]

spend less

[stark quiver]

nuh uh

[thorn flume]

[storm heron]

pov you construct kearsarge

[still nest]

I feel like 1 billion coins is not enough

[storm heron]

for spark you need 300k coins. Idk about 1 billion, buut definitely 10 million is not enough

[forest palm]

we're getting a 3x Core Data Campaign

[still nest]

I'm sure 1 billion is not enough, pr ships, build, +13 or+10, craft and so more

[sharp socket]

you underestimate how much 1 billion is then

[forest palm]

here I am constently hitting hard cap, and wondering what to spend on

really though finance your shit properly

[raw swift]

#1292421122582646875 hello can some1 help me, currently I'm stuck at the boss node of 12-4, my vanguard is unable to survive

[left cedar]

i'm not denying i'm needing 3x core, cuz i'm speding more than i get cuz i'm gearing every ship in my dock

and i'm gearing every ship in my dock, with really gud gears cuz i'm lacking of wut to do

[viscid swift]

I too am in need of Core Data because as it turns out buying SR dupes for limit breaking every month is very expensive

[left cedar]

if i dont do that, my hard cap it will be always there

[hollow hollow]

Is there a current meta guide for nagato meta fights?

[hollow gust]

use amagi and unzen

[hollow hollow]

should i just trade up to amagi and shinano

[hollow gust]

yeah thats fleet not gonna do much

[hollow hollow]

amagi only 100 tho

[hollow gust]

[hollow hollow]

my kaza is lacking too

[atomic abyss]

Light
I just saw a 457 yeet into one for grey damage

[hollow hollow]

tfw only 2 tenrais

[hollow gust]

well if you cant replicate meta comps theres not much u can do, you are gonna be stuck on 2 shotting

[hollow hollow]

i mean, im on 4 shots rn

[mint flint]

wait is lance optimal for unzen?

[hollow gust]

[hollow gust]

for this very specific use

[hollow hollow]

with amagi at 100 is she worth bringing

[hollow gust]

no

[hollow gust]

might as well just run full bb

[hollow hollow]

pile her with champy guns and my one 457?

[hollow gust]

just run full champy

[viscid swift]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jz4SSft0mzUIM4x3axrK5MTgZ_I-WG_L/view?usp=sharing
knock yourself out

[stark quiver]

do you do pvp for extra bulins?

[viscid swift]

of course

[stark quiver]

maybe i should start doing that

[hollow hollow]

thats bis2

lets see how she runs

ill be fine with a guaranteed 3 clear instead of these 4 clears with 10k hp

okay yeah that was significantly better. 54%

[modern depot]

Best Aux combo for Howe?

Is the RN AP aux better than the combo of the 2 AP shell?

[sharp socket]

no

[steel grotto]

should always be type 1 ap shell and super heavy shell/fire control table for bb

[sharp socket]

just use white shell + black shell/hsfcr

[graceful kelp]

which ship is best for type 1 ap shell

[stark quiver]

battleship/battleshipcruiser

[graceful kelp]

any battleships and bsc?

[stark quiver]

yea

[graceful kelp]

ok thank you 👍

[steel grotto]

whats the math on type 1 ap shell vs the hms shell is type 1 always better?

[sweet delta]

Yellow shell is usually better than white shell for HMS ships but it's better by such a tiny amount that you shouldn't buy it

[jaunty vault]

emphasis on HMS

its worse on anyone else

[hollow hollow]

I have 3 yellow shells because I often use hood and wargi and swapped the 3rd between the other bb/bc relevant before vanguard rerun

[sharp socket]

its like less than 0.1% better than white shell for HMS ships iirc

[hollow hollow]

i think due to some of the HMS ships that have very specific crit-related skills it performs better but thats over vast amounts of data

[sharp socket]

so its better to have white shell that you can use on any BB/BC

[sweet delta]

1%

[hollow hollow]

honestly im just lazy and and have only so many white shells

[sweet delta]

The HMS BB isn't the main damage dealer anyways , and ships get powercrept eventually

[stark quiver]

its fine if you already got the, but dont out of your way to get them

[stark quiver]

but sushi what if boss survives by 100 hp

[hollow hollow]

yeah im not buying anymore yellow shells lmao i have no justification for it.

[sweet delta]

Then you regret that you didn't oath meta

[viscid swift]

it's something closer to like 0.00001% better or something, ridiculously small

[sharp socket]

i dont remember how many zeros the actual amount was so i went with under 0.1% to be safe

[stark quiver]

idk small amount so i

[sweet delta]

.

[viscid swift]

Yahoo's calcs said something much less than that

[sweet delta]

Believable

[viscid swift]

not that it matters too much at the end of the day

just use White Shells, you get flexibility

[sweet delta]

It's very simple, 5 hit is worth 10 to 15 FP against average endgame bosses, and 10 FP is worth almost 1% damage for most maxed BBs

[glacial widget]

why does this look like my university homework

[hollow hollow]

optimizing for a limited boss

[viscid swift]

because someone put a lot of time and effort into it

[hollow hollow]

whoever said roll trip bb, you were right, now im double tapping it

[viscid swift]

I applaud the effort

[glacial widget]

its very well written

[still nest]

Is core data gain are the same between nodes per stages? For example I gain 28 for 12-4H

Can I get the same on 12-2H?

(I want Cruiser Retro battle print)

[hollow hollow]

i went with agir + shima + unzen frontline

[viscid swift]

yes

[still nest]

So if they say higher, it means higher stages not higher nodes?

[hollow hollow]

correct

[sweet delta]

Higher chapters, whoever said

[still nest]

Alright thank you very much

Erhm what to do about those gear prints?

[hollow hollow]

ch 12 vs ch 13 hm also needs 5 days worth of play to hit 1 extra clear's worth of core data so don't stress if you can't push

[stark quiver]

hold onto them

[hollow hollow]

save til you grind opsi enough to use them for gear lab stuff

[still nest]

How about ordinance?

[stark quiver]

same or also flaps

[hollow hollow]

flapjacks

[viscid swift]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[still nest]

Oh that NJ gun, I didn't know it was craftable now

[hollow hollow]

we're approaching the time where the devs realize that putting event gear into the lab is a good idea so those of us that missed them can actually get some things.

[sweet delta]

Not a high priority

[hollow hollow]

still waiting on musashi rerun though

[viscid swift]

they always have since the gear lab released

[still nest]

I feel so old now

[viscid swift]

there's only 2 gear lab updates a year which is why some things take so long

[hollow hollow]

the rainbow event gear is pretty new though isn't it?

[stark quiver]

kinda

[viscid swift]

no, Quint Mags were first released with DC in 2018

[stark quiver]

oh what i thought they meant nj

[viscid swift]

NJ gun still isn't new, it was first released back in May 2021

[still nest]

Which is better to get ? Nj gun, dd gun, aa, or 3rd wyvern?

I prefer getting nj gun to cleanse my sins of the past (for not playing the game)

[hollow hollow]

nj

[viscid swift]

I don't put the NJ gun at that high a priority

there's not enough light armor bosses to really justify the cost especially if you can't +13 it

[still nest]

What if assuming I can +13 1 equipment?

[viscid swift]

I still wouldn't

[jaunty vault]

would you recommend a 3rd wyvern then

[sweet delta]

Then you can +13 three gold equipments

[viscid swift]

as I said there's not that many light armor bosses to justify it's costs

esepcially with Nagato META being around for another few months

[hollow hollow]

tenrai in the gear lab fucking when

[jaunty vault]

yeah I heard that

[viscid swift]

late January ish next year probably

[sweet delta]

But temperance is around this month

[viscid swift]

meh, just Mk6 it

[still nest]

How many tenrais again? 3?

[hollow hollow]

2

more than 2 is just flexing how long you played and sat with PR4

[viscid swift]

anyway, as for a 3rd Wyvern maybe, depends on if you're pushing W15

[still nest]

Actually I want to push

[sweet delta]

Push what

[viscid swift]

consider Wyverns and 57s then

[still nest]

57s?

[viscid swift]

the UR AA gun

[hollow hollow]

rainbow aa

[viscid swift]

it's a 57mm gun

[still nest]

Aaaa fck I realized I need more electronics because of that UR AA aaaa

Maybe sexy bofors and staag is enough (?)

Wdym yes? Have you tried already?

I heard it's pain

[hollow hollow]

Does my support fleet need to be at 125 to reasonably push W15

[viscid swift]

120 is fine usually

[sharp socket]

you can get the gold french AA gun from protocore if you want

saves some mats

[still nest]

But that means I can't save protocores then?

What's the justification for pushing higher chapter than 12?

More coins?

For my situation I'm still completing PR4 DRs

[stark quiver]

completion, collection, gems

[still nest]

But it have more gold coins right? So maybe it's ok to push for more coins and upgrade gears

And go back to 12 for exp pr farming

I'm so bottlenecked by coins

I want 1 billion coins but my oil and morale doesn't allow it

[steel grotto]

welcome to the grind

[stark quiver]

technically yes, but youd probably want to grind w12, knocking 2+ birds with one stone, xp grind, can grind shitters for tech, good coin income

[chilly birch]

How many clears of a map does it take to reduce each threat level?

[sweet delta]

One

[chilly birch]

I've cleared 15-3 three times now since it dropped to med and it's still med

[stark quiver]

clear more

[sweet delta]

Click the button, the levels are numerical

[chilly birch]

I've been able to lethal 3 star every stage up until 15-3 but it's a different beast and I never paid attention to how long it takes it to reduce each threat level

[stark quiver]

diffiuculty spikes there

[chilly birch]

Thanks! I had no idea you could click on it

[fresh gale]

any idea when UVH will be included as part of UR exchange?

[still nest]

Ah yeah what if the pr that I have been grinding have good ships to farm exp with, should I push chapters then?

[stark quiver]

12-1 will get the job done, push if youre ready to

[soft raft]

No not really
Not like you're missing much anyways if you don't have her tbh

[tight jetty]

15-4 3 star clear help

[harsh drum]

Sooo, does "Weights of Equilibrium" actually do anything? In the extreme challenge, I don't see it actually having much of an impact at all?

[hollow gust]

Evasion is some pretty heavy impact

[sweet delta]

it does exactly what the skill text says

[harsh drum]

What do the effects even do? What does "Equilibrial", "uneven" etc, mean?

[sweet delta]

uneven is 1 stack, skewed is 2 stacks, collapse or something is 3 stacks of the boss skill

[harsh drum]

Ah, okay. So it really doesn't do much then

[sweet delta]

[harsh drum]

I've only ever gotten Equilibiral and Uneven lol

[fresh gale]

Thanks

[dusky vale]

is unlocking all 4 classroom slots good

[wind hazel]

no

[graceful kelp]

do i prior retro hood or san diego

[wind hazel]

hood has no retro, but has augment. which i think you should prioritize before sandiego

[graceful kelp]

oh forgot

warspite or san diego my bad

[wind hazel]

dont touch warspite unless you're chasing collection %

[graceful kelp]

i see, ok then

[forest palm]

will have to level Warspite eventually mind you

[storm heron]

+2 acc too good to not level

[polar lion]

AL not available in Steam, right?

[forest palm]

nope

[polar lion]

Aight

[stark quiver]

the version we play isnt, crosswave is

[forest palm]

[turbid shell]

is it possible to clear META showdown with 1 fleet?

[soft dagger]

you can only go with one

[turbid shell]

i mean.. clear with only 1 battle

[soft dagger]

yes, it's possible

[turbid shell]

where can i find the fleet composition and gear requirement to do it?

[soft dagger]

combination of shinano, amagi, haku/impla/alsace
vanguard is unzen, kazagumo, mogador, eldridge, etc

[soft dagger]

#gameplay-help message

[inner delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1284467803176304640/7a998743204b1dc9b81a01d71b6bb33535898060.png?ex=6705b89c&is=6704671c&hm=2e7cfa09e70817ba80db0e9a4f73871750948b1a224c9345fca1da28f3db0d23& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790526502269616148/1283993061843538026/image.png?ex=6705f8b9&is=6704a739&hm=ded31c6c45a713ad51c75d1a7182cd3e8fc2ed49aff9db560b9d082e3f48aa7b& some example

[turbid shell]

ok thank you ill try it
what is that dragon aux? i never seen it before

[soft dagger]

goldburn

[stark quiver]

from gridman event

[turbid shell]

ahh

[boreal temple]

How important is the mogador oath I haven't gotten that yet 🍅

[stark quiver]

not important in most situations

[sweet delta]

pretty important for oneshotting with that fleet

[spring bolt]

i prefer unzen tank so mog doesn't have a survivability issue

[sweet delta]

i prefer not using mog as the freeze because i play on a 🥔

[spring bolt]

la9 will save you

[steel grotto]

whats the advice for w13?

[stark quiver]

aa

[storm heron]

enough AA and damage

[wind hazel]

triple CV your mob, lots of fighters, good AA guns

[steel grotto]

is the gold quad 40mm bofors good enough? still working on opsi mats

[stark quiver]

it might work

[wind hazel]

roomba if you have it

[jaunty vault]

quad bofors is good

but you also want good ships

[turbid shell]

what can i use for tenrai replacement?

[wind hazel]

helldiver

[jaunty vault]

purple helldiver

[turbid shell]

ok

[fickle hollow]

is F4U good on Shinano/Amagi?

[frank pulsar]

good for campaign, but dont buy any more of them

[fickle hollow]

F4U pirate squad

[forest palm]

gold corsair is obsolete

[frank pulsar]

and 2x1000lbs fighters like tigercat and flapjack are better than the f4u

[fickle hollow]

oh i was thinking of buying 1

[frank pulsar]

not worth, just use yellow hellcat if you cant afford the 2x1000lbs fighters

[fickle hollow]

then which one should i buy for 800 core data

for Amagi/Shinano

[frank pulsar]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[fickle hollow]

very low res i cant read

[frank pulsar]

preferably none of them if its for specifically nano/amagi
theyre better used in bossing, and for campaign theres better options in gearlab
firebrand might be worth to save materials on a wyvern depending on what you already have from the shop

[mint flint]

copy the link and paste it into a tab

its not small, discord just smushes it

[fickle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-14973267

[frank pulsar]

dont use gif here, mods will

[fickle hollow]

[fickle hollow]

i just recently unlocked opsi how much would it take for me to get UR materials

[stark quiver]

3 gaurenteed a month for selectors

[frank pulsar]

it takes like 3 months for your first ur equips from gearlab

[stark quiver]

what abt the blue loggers soup

[fickle hollow]

[stark quiver]

wait actually matierials go 🤯

[frank pulsar]

oh right i forgot about those
idk how fast youre able to buy them, but they should speed up the time needed for the first few equips you get

wyvern is your highest prio for rainbow equips

[fickle hollow]

[fickle hollow]

noted ,should i buy tenrai blueprints

i can buy 10 for now

[frank pulsar]

uh champy gun shld be higher prio, keep buying those until you have 3 (only need 2 if you have soyuz gun)

you can check /protocore in #bot-spam or sam guide for prio list

[fickle hollow]

oh ,thanks for ur help

[rose cosmos]

Honestly both the cognitive mats are more valuable than bb aux

[atomic abyss]

Not early on

Why do you need that many cog chips early on

Let alone arrays

[rose cosmos]

I mean depends on what you mean early on

I’m a month+ now and I deeply regret not farming cognitive chips more

[atomic abyss]

Independence + 3 pairs of shells takes at least 3 months

[rose cosmos]

Cognitive shortage is brutal

[atomic abyss]

In your first month

You shouldn't be raising more than 12 ships anyways

Considering that shells are literally the best in slot item for BBs

Compared to what you have usually

[blissful hamlet]

what's currently the best BB fleet in opsi?

[atomic abyss]

It's a huge improvement

[rose cosmos]

Btw do we know any event after maintenance?

[atomic abyss]

Zwei, Alsace, Soyuz

[stark quiver]

no vanny?

[atomic abyss]

Could be Roma rerun, could be a tempesta, could even be the Collab

Who knows

[blissful hamlet]

time to ditch musashi

[atomic abyss]

No Vanny unless it's CM

[rose cosmos]

Musashi rr pls

[atomic abyss]

I mean

Vanny's time to shine is because of her buffs raising others DPS

Alsace has debuffs that raise the other DPS

Sure, hers aren't as potent (esp when compared to BZ)

[blissful hamlet]

they should have add vanny debuff as cross fleet debuff

[atomic abyss]

But her own DPS is only second to BZ in non CM so

Preload is one helluva crack

[stark quiver]

so in short form battle youd much rather spam dps?

[blissful hamlet]

who should get buffed by plymouth? zwei, soyuz, alsace?

[stark quiver]

zwei

[blissful hamlet]

why zwei? she has the highest damage of all?

[boreal temple]

Can I new braindead fleet setup? Seems like mine is outdated from this statement alone

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

The gears are all the same, the vanguard options haven't changed

[boreal temple]

pls dont tell me sashi is now perma mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

Sashi already got semi booted when Soyuz came out in March
Alsace totally sent her packing

[blissful hamlet]

what's the firing order?

[boreal temple]

Welp time to fix my opsi fleets then

Fdg got replaced by sashi on mob yea?

[wind hazel]

ye

[atomic abyss]

Well yes

In campaign FdG still better for 14 admittedly

[rose cosmos]

Is vanguard good for w14?

[wind hazel]

musashi should be better even for w14

[boreal temple]

afaik sashi having big hp better

[atomic abyss]

Good cos UR
Far from optimal

FdG can spam her interception barrage in 14
While actually killing shit

So her damage is even higher than it would be normally

[boreal temple]

Oh you meant mob?

[atomic abyss]

She still does the same on 15
The difference is she can no longer kill shit as well

So Musashi is preferred there

I do mean for mob yes

For boss ideal is still BZ

[atomic abyss]

BZ -> Alsc -> Soyuz

[rose cosmos]

My w14 mob atm, mobbing wise they are pretty decent

[atomic abyss]

Unicorn really flew away huh

She's not even on the screen

[rose cosmos]

She hates me

[blissful hamlet]

why zwei first? she won't get alsace or soyuz debuff

[atomic abyss]

Because if your black hole isn't there to succ

Your other BBs will lose out the damage on their salvos

All the buffs or debuffs in the world matter little

If you can't even hit the enemy more than once

[blissful hamlet]

pretty sure zwei black hole is a cope considering most of the time the boss is far from center

[wind hazel]

wha...

[boreal temple]

Pretty sure zwei already proved how useful her black hole is ever since her release

[blissful hamlet]

also 3s black hole when all salvo last for 6s

[atomic abyss]

It's not it's literally why she's the best BB

[boreal temple]

[stark quiver]

Damage go

[boreal temple]

Any more optimizations?

I should probably add mogador I forgot about her

[blissful hamlet]

switch laffey2 with ibuki with aug, opsi mob won't last more than 15s if you have strong preload

ibuki and unzen preload can clear the first wave and unicorn preload arrived on the 2nd wave

[boreal temple]

I'm not into preload I'm more into surviving full auto strongholds

[blissful hamlet]

stronghold on auto

[wind hazel]

looks fine

[boreal temple]

Hinden dps is weaker than mogador right?

[crimson glacier]

doubt

[atomic abyss]

Nope

[boreal temple]

Ah so keep it as it is

[frank pulsar]

mog is somewhere between ply and hinden

[atomic abyss]

Hindy still higher, even if the gap isn't big

[boreal temple]

[atomic abyss]

Iirc, Mog with Alsace buff comes close to unbuffed Hinden

On light

[crimson glacier]

i guess you could use like eldridge over laffey 2 but i dont think it really matters, its good mob fleet already

[atomic abyss]

If BZ is there dream on

And against med/heavy, Hindy has piercing

[frank pulsar]

prob use indep over uvh imho, for fast cv and crossfleet

[boreal temple]

Been a while since I last checked cross fleet do we have a new vg crossfleet

I have my 4th as crossfleet

[wind hazel]

kron shima unzen guam, pick 3

[wind hazel]

or all 4 if you swap anchorage>guam

[crimson glacier]

im just rolling around with this

[boreal temple]

I think I'll keep kron lb0

Guess it's still fine then

[sleek spade]

What happens after update? Do they just remove the current event shop and that’s it?

[trim path]

is it worth mlbing kron to replace eugen? i'll get enough bulis to mlb 2 urs this month and the only other one i have is mog

[boreal temple]

Kron is just not worth the burins

[trim path]

ok

[boreal temple]

You're better off with using portland mob then ancho replaces eugen

Unless she's literally the only one you got

I don't believe that she's the best you got tho there's surely someone better than her

[trim path]

hmm, my portland is lv100 but her skill levels didn't matter, right?

[tame jungle]

yeah

[boreal temple]

Yea it doesn't matter

You'll replace her in the near future anyway

Just don't do eugen

[tame jungle]

you could make a case for the skill that doesn't require you to run indianapolis but most of her utility comes from her retro stats (and level her)

[trim path]

any of these a better option or do i go with port?

[tame jungle]

how close are you to dev30 brest

[cobalt rapids]

brest

[trim path]

she's 20 something

[boreal temple]

Portland roon muse and brest d25 should be way better

Preferably brest tho

[trim path]

dev21* so portland or roon muse?

[tame jungle]

portland is fine

[trim path]

👍 thanks, guys

[sharp socket]

you dont need a particularly good tank to live opsi

[boreal temple]

Yea just kill them faster than they can kill you

[sharp socket]

your BB and mob fleet can clean up 99% of the stuff in opsi

[atomic abyss]

Uh, the w14 exclusive drops were just Dewey and NO right?

[coarse heron]

Dewey is W13

[atomic abyss]

Wait fuck
I forgot

[coarse heron]

She's 13-3

[atomic abyss]

I stand corrected then
Just NO?

[coarse heron]

afaik every other ship that drops in W14 drops elsewhere yeah

[sharp socket]

new orleans in 14-4

[coarse heron]

well, Mogami drops in 14-4 and nowhere else, but you can just buy her for 800 tokens so

Michishio is 14-3 if you want to not spend 2k guild tokens, so that's another technically one

Ashigara in 14-1 is the last one, looks like
800 guild tokens or drop from 14-1, no other sources.

[opaque gate]

what divebomber/fighter is best for graf here?

[coarse heron]

Those are Fighters and just use a Hellcat. The German torpedo bomber (Ju 87) is the German plane you want to use for Zeppelin to activate her skill.

[still nest]

How can I know the armor type of current Meta Battle? (Like Nagato META)

[opaque gate]

ju87 even if jit is purple?

[coarse heron]

item rarity doesn't matter as much as you'd think.

[ivory linden]

The guys at yostar are back in the office today after their break so we might get info today or tomorrow for next event

[opaque gate]

hw about for torp?

[sharp socket]

helldiver

[coarse heron]

That's dive bombers and use Helldiver

[sleek spade]

nice!

[opaque gate]

it is either dive or torpedo

[atomic abyss]

Gz can use TB in last slot now

[sharp socket]

wait theres torps in there also

[coarse heron]

oh yeah

[atomic abyss]

Guys this isn't 2018

GZ got buffed and can use TBs in slot 3

Usually, the Ju-87 D-4

Which is gear lab

[opaque gate]

so i would use, hellcat+helldiver+helldiver

[atomic abyss]

Yeah just do that

[opaque gate]

no torp?

[atomic abyss]

Not much point wasting stuff to upgrade a Ju-87c

[coarse heron]

worry about activating her skill once you can make a Ju87 D4

[atomic abyss]

Actually

Let's do it this way

[opaque gate]

i have ju87 db

[atomic abyss]

Give gz the Ju-87 db

And for the love of all things holy
Scrap those BTDs and Suiseis

[opaque gate]

btd sux?

[atomic abyss]

And give them your Helldivers

[coarse heron]

BTD is beyond suck

[atomic abyss]

Btd and Suisei suck and are worse than Helldivers

[sleek spade]

keep 1 suisei for fun!

[harsh charm]

Japanese vs German vs British vs American bombers. Which are the best?

[atomic abyss]

Impossible to generalise it as such

[harsh charm]

Hmmm....

[atomic abyss]

What bombers we talking about even

[plain saffron]

The one with most dmg

[atomic abyss]

Dive bombers, torpedo bombers?

[harsh charm]

Dive bombers

[coarse heron]

Helldiver and it's not even close

[harsh charm]

Mb

[atomic abyss]

Uh

[opaque gate]

i wont put torpedo bombers on graf? just dive bombers?

[plain saffron]

Japanese(tenrai only) then americans(helldiver only)

[coarse heron]

Until you can make the German torpedo bomber from Gear Lab, yeah

[atomic abyss]

You have too few torp bombers

[plain saffron]

Any patch notes?

[opaque gate]

cuz i only need 1 iron blood for skill to activate and i have ju alr

[coarse heron]

too early

[opaque gate]

i see, thanks!

[atomic abyss]

Come back in 7h

[plain saffron]

That's 12am in cn

[opaque gate]

ill put bismarck uni graf z23 as my mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

[plain saffron]

So not even CN/JP have their notes out?

[atomic abyss]

Now GZ aside
Why would you ever use a shit ship like Bismarck 1

No nagami, they do not

[plain saffron]

Dead gaem

[opaque gate]

i just want bismarck for the buff

[coarse heron]

Bismarck 1 is an awful ship

[atomic abyss]

Using a shit ship with ok buffs

Is worse than using a good ship with no team buffs

[opaque gate]

i want to use factions and i have too few ib

[coarse heron]

faction fleets are dumb

[atomic abyss]

And faction fleets are ass

At least use the actually good ships

[opaque gate]

ye it juet sounds right to me lol, plus i can use it for data collection

[atomic abyss]

Then use that for farming data collection

[boreal temple]

insert obligatory faction fleet bad statement here

[atomic abyss]

Not pushing content

[opaque gate]

yee not pushing content

[plain saffron]

If you want to do faction fleet you'll need a lot of investment to even make them decent

[opaque gate]

yep, my ijn fleet is good now so i wanna try ib

[still nest]

How to know Meta Showdown armor type?

[atomic abyss]

Ask here

[plain saffron]

Usually same as playable part

[versed sentinel]

before scraping, how many of these 2 i should keep

[boreal temple]

iirc its the same as their regular version

[harsh charm]

Avoid making it till you get good ships for that no?

[boreal temple]

Tbh you'll get plenty of them as you play

[atomic abyss]

0 of the twin 152 should be kept
The number of the twin 150 depends on whether you have better CL guns

[boreal temple]

I still have them even tho I don't need it

[opaque gate]

i use
amagi cv
izumo

azuma, ibuki, noshiro (will switch for shimanto)

[still nest]

So how to know playable ship's armor type?

[atomic abyss]

You look at the ship in your dock

[opaque gate]

maybe zuihou for heal

[boreal temple]

asking here is the easiest but you can check ingame and wiki

[opaque gate]

or hiryu retro

[boreal temple]

insert obligatory faction fleet bad statement here

I don't see a good ijn faction fleet in there

[still nest]

I just want to know how to fish not ask for a fish

[elfin hollow]

whats a faction fleet

[atomic abyss]

Frankly, not even then

[boreal temple]

Yea just do al wiki and it's there

[atomic abyss]

Check the wiki
Otherwise check the copy of the ship you own in game
There's no other way
The game doesn't tell you otherwise

[atomic abyss]

The silly idea of using a single faction for your fleet

[sleek spade]

are VIT-2 from PR7 worth +13?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[harsh charm]

I am listening

[atomic abyss]

Faction fleets are for fun, they are not for any practical use

[opaque gate]

hakuryu, amagi cv, izumo
azuma, shimanto, ibuki

good for ijn fleet?

[harsh charm]

Forming a fleet from one faction/nation.

[boreal temple]

It's in their stats table

[elfin hollow]

oh the game doesnt have faction buffs?

[atomic abyss]

You hamper yourself by forming a fleet comprised of just 1 faction

[harsh charm]

[atomic abyss]

Some ships have buffs for their faction
But they aren't worth using unless the ships are actually good to begin with

[harsh charm]

Better than historically accurate equipment

[atomic abyss]

In other words, if you happen to be able to build a faction fleet as the optimal one (aka never)

Sure

But you shouldn't be going OUT of your way to do so

[boreal temple]

Oh no I happen to only get ijn ships while playing the game whatever shall I do

[elfin hollow]

Is the Saint Louis ship limited?

[atomic abyss]

[elfin hollow]

Is she any good?

[atomic abyss]

Firstly, which saint louis

There's 2

[elfin hollow]

theres more?

[atomic abyss]

One is blue hair, the other is gray hair

[elfin hollow]

the one on the loading screen

[harsh charm]

My dream fleet is Bisko II, Bisko I, Graf Zeppelin, Ägir, Hindenburg, Leizpig/Z46/Roon.

[atomic abyss]

The french one then
She's decent
Nothing special

[still nest]

One with grownup suisei and one with a staff

[elfin hollow]

oh man, thanks.

[harsh charm]

Yes.

[sharp socket]

so what gph do you need today

[harsh charm]

?

[atomic abyss]

Just so you know uh
While the triple 155 is a good option for a BB secondary (like for Owari)
It is absolutely ass as a CL main gun
The twin 150 you were about to scrap is better than the triple 155 as a CL main gun lmao

[sharp socket]

are you asking for help or just blogging

cause if its the second one gph is not the place for it

[atomic abyss]

I mean

[harsh charm]

Oh yes. Should I get cb gun on ägir or use CA one?

[atomic abyss]

If you for some reason want to build a faction fleet

The best possible German faction fleet is
Bismarck Zwei, Ulrich von Hutten, Friedrich de Grosse
Agir, Emden, Hindenburg

[harsh charm]

Why emden?

[boreal temple]

Cuz she's good

[atomic abyss]

Buff to ironblood ship FP
Also a strong dps by CL standards

[sharp socket]

CB gun to trigger her skill3

[atomic abyss]

Good luck with no healer tho

[sleek spade]

should Alsace goes with Mog or Brest w big breasts?

[atomic abyss]

She doesn't need them at all

[sleek spade]

but the enemy debuff is good tho

[boreal temple]

KMS Unicorn

[atomic abyss]

It actually becomes worse with them in some cases

Not better

[sleek spade]

huh? how come

[atomic abyss]

Let me see how to explain

[boreal temple]

You're sacrificing one vg slot to trigger a debuff when you can have another strong vg ship on that slot instead

[sleek spade]

isn't Brest pretty good for tanking in general use?

[boreal temple]

Probably oversimplified it but yea

[harsh charm]

Understood

[atomic abyss]

When this ship hits an enemy with her Secondary Guns, or when an Iris Libre or Vichya Dominion Vanguard ship in your fleet hits an enemy with her Main Guns: gains 1 stack of Divine Sanction; when 12 stacks are reached, improves the effect of Holy Judgment in the following ways:

The increased DMG taken debuff lasts until the battle ends rather than 10s;
When a target is chosen for the DMG taken debuff, enemies which do not have a similar debuff applied will be prioritized.

[harsh charm]

She buffs FP only?

[atomic abyss]

It's not like the Germans have anything else worth buffing

[harsh charm]

Also Hindenburg with 2 CA guns or 1 AA gun?

[atomic abyss]

2 CA guns obviously

[atomic abyss]

This works in tandem with her s1

[harsh charm]

Rip my AA hmmm....

[atomic abyss]

When this ship fires her Main Guns: inflicts Lv.1 (Lv.10) Holy Judgment on a random enemy. While this ship is afloat, 20s after a fleet this ship is NOT in enters a battle: activates Lv.1 (Lv.10) Holy Judgment.
When Lv.1 (Lv.10) Holy Judgment activates, the following occurs:

For 10s, the target takes 4.5% (12%) more DMG;

So what does this mean

[sleek spade]

slap on Sandy and it's good AA fleet

[atomic abyss]

When there is a single enemy

It's perfectly fine

The moment there's multiple enemies

And you hit 12 stacks

[harsh charm]

Talking about Bisko I, Bisko II, Zepp, Ägir, Hindenburg and third IB ship

[atomic abyss]

Suddenly your barrage is no longer prioritised for the enemy/boss you want to kill fastest

[sleek spade]

it doesn't reset if enemy is dead?

[harsh charm]

Understood

[atomic abyss]

It will prioritise an enemy that DOESN'T have the debuff

And in campaign, you get enemies constantly spawning even on boss nodes

So your barrage will be sent elsewhere

[sharp socket]

single boss = good, boss with summons or anything else = bad

[sleek spade]

mm I see

[atomic abyss]

To something that doesn't matter

In opsi/meta/cm it's fine