gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

you dont use convergings in campaign without a freeze

[topaz smelt]

Most of the time you'd rather not use converging in campaign

[atomic abyss]

just use parallels if you want to use all 3 of them

[polar lion]

How good is white vit2 for anti light?

[topaz smelt]

Shit

[atomic abyss]

parallel, why would it be good?

[uneven badger]

so i can just use them to fight meta bosses?

[atomic abyss]

metas, arbiters, abyssals, CM

[topaz smelt]

Converging tbs are mainly for single target fights

[atomic abyss]

converging in campaign is bad because to use them you want to sync convergings
...campaign bosses dont come alone, and you want to stagger for campaign, not sync

[uneven badger]

alright then

[sharp socket]

are there CV with double fighter slot for anti light or is it better to just use normal CV with 1 fighter slot and use conv tbs

[atomic abyss]

anti light and med wants UR CVs with 2 fighter slots

specifically to use rockets

[topaz smelt]

It's just throw rockets on what you have

[atomic abyss]

if you lack the 2 fighter UR CVs, just use your other UR CVs

to be clear, rockets also converge

[sharp socket]

lusty has 6x 135% fighters, is she usable

[atomic abyss]

^

also, wasnt she 130%

[sharp socket]

ill be raising lusty anw for w15

wiki says 135%

[atomic abyss]

well doesnt change the fact that URs will still do more

[sharp socket]

do URs just have more raw stats and gear eff to be better

[atomic abyss]

better skills and literally more planes for most of them

[topaz smelt]

Good ships do good damage

[white agate]

was it stated somewhere that mewofficier with higher level grants higher rewards from cat nodes?
and is level 24 already a good level?

[atomic abyss]

yes, tho im not sure where
iirc, 20 is enough

[vital phoenix]

Help me not make a bad decision

I have 1 mk7 on depot. I also have enough ur gear design to craft 2 mk7 or 2 wyvern, or one of each. What do I craft?

[atomic abyss]

do you have any wyverns?

if no, craft 2

mk7 isnt a very high prio

[white agate]

getting the blackburn from protocore is not worth it right?
crafting cost seems cheap

[forest palm]

getting Blackburn from Proto Core is worth it if you're crafting a Wyvern, cuts down on a lot of resources

[atomic abyss]

Wait

Isn't Blackburn in regular core not protocore

[forest palm]

ya it's Core Data
literally just woke up

[versed sentinel]

should i turn these into aircraft designs?

[forest palm]

if you're looking to make a Wyvern, sure, use as many as needed

[versed sentinel]

[white agate]

yep, i meant in core data shop, i fumbled too

does it change anything?

[atomic abyss]

Well core data is much easier to come by than protocore, especially when you're catching up on research

If Blackburn was indeed in protocore, it'd be unbelievably low priority

[white agate]

smh smh, i should really stop spamming 9-4 in hard mode and just do 11 world stages

[atomic abyss]

Are you trying to get Nicholas or sth lol

[white agate]

no, lazyness in clearing another hard mode level

[jaunty vault]

ender gen might need a mod

[storm heron]

looks chill

[forest palm]

[sleek spade]

Italian event soon tm?

[forest palm]

hasn't really been much word outside of the anniversary stream on Ballad rerun

[atomic abyss]

yep, only news is aquilifer ballade rerun

[jaunty vault]

roma?

[wanton dawn]

Why does this boss heal back to 40% everytime I challenge it?? Thanks

[crimson glacier]

scan it

and read the perks it has

[wanton dawn]

Wdym

[jaunty vault]

CN ver, can't read

RIP

[crimson glacier]

but why would they start on a server they cant understand

[jaunty vault]

i wouldn't know, i just send my condolences

[late flame]

because its easier

[forest palm]

[jaunty vault]

also PSA, get your adapts to atleast 188/188/144 before challenging a stronghold

especially with a fleet like that

[elfin hollow]

This boss will heal 30%(?) of its full hp once its health falls below 30%. And your heals will heal the boss instead.

Can't remember the number.

TL;DR, it's a DPS check.

[wanton dawn]

yea sorry i didnt check my game i jsut didnt know u can scan a boss, mbmb

[wanton dawn]

it's because i live in hk and for ios devices we can only play on tw server... i wish i can play on en server but it's too annoying to set up

[wanton dawn]

ah ok ty

[wanton dawn]

ohhhh ic thanks:)

[jaunty vault]

so can you read the language or not

[wanton dawn]

yea i can

my first language is chinese but i can read english better ig

[jaunty vault]

thats good enough then

[wanton dawn]

it's just annoying that we are 1 year behind

[jaunty vault]

atleast you know what's coming

[trim path]

are there any big differences between hard arbiter and normal arbiter other than difficulty?

[novel solstice]

Can't back out and repair on hard.

[trim path]

ah, so you need to sink it in one go?

dam. guess i'm stopping at normal, then.

[frank pulsar]

if all your fleets sink and/or you dont manage to kill the arbiter then youll have to restart from 100% hp again

[frank pulsar]

dw though, normal gives more rewards
but i still recommend giving hard mode a go since you can get part of the milestone rewards

[trim path]

right. i got rewards after knocking down the hp on normal arbiter. i take it those aren't infinite on hard mode?

[blissful hamlet]

what's the best setup for amagi cv, haku, shina for heavy boss

[atomic abyss]

if it's not nagato meta - there isnt one

[frank pulsar]

nope, all rewards from arbiter are one-off occurences
youll have to wait for monthly reset if you want the rewards again

[atomic abyss]

because most bosses require you have to have a freezer to stop them from moving

[trim path]

got it, thanks for the tips 👍

[atomic abyss]

so you have to drop 1 of the CVs for implacable or august

[blissful hamlet]

they sucks vs heavy

[atomic abyss]

no, bosses move

[frank pulsar]

prob use eldridge or mog i guess depending on your enemy spd

[atomic abyss]

🚮

[blissful hamlet]

please assume my torps never miss, as it is the fact that my torps never miss

[atomic abyss]

eld is fine

mog is cope

[blissful hamlet]

I mean the plane setup not the slow support

[frank pulsar]

id just save myself ther trouble and use implac though

[atomic abyss]

janus

your torps will miss it's a fact

or at least, a significant portion will

[blissful hamlet]

doesn't matter I still need the plane setup

[atomic abyss]

mog is cope outside very specific circumstances tho delulu

you're not syncing with her lunge for more than 1 strike

[blissful hamlet]

ok now what's the plane setup

[atomic abyss]

let me get out mine

[frank pulsar]

i dont think it matters as long as you get them within 0.2-0.3s as usual
just mix and match 🧑‍🍳

[blissful hamlet]

well I saw people have their amagi outdamage both shinano and haku but for some reason my haku always 100% outdamage everyone, so either something wrong with my setup or amagi is just mid, that's why I ask for the best plane setup

[atomic abyss]

what im using currently for nagato meta

[blissful hamlet]

all have +13 torps bomber and haku have +13 tenrai but it shouldn't amount much since it's dive bomber

[atomic abyss]

cos i only have 2 tenrais

[blissful hamlet]

doesn't look that different from mine

[atomic abyss]

which boss is this

[blissful hamlet]

nagato meta and all opsi boss

[boreal wagon]

against opsi bosses your torps are almost certainly missing

[atomic abyss]

nagato meta is because you dont have a slow on the front probably

opsi is because your torps are whiffing without a freeze

[blissful hamlet]

yeah but why is haku always get 100% mvp? if it's because some of the torps missing then everyone should get equal chance to mvp

[atomic abyss]

because haku has stronger DBs

so the DBs are making up for the torps missing

[boreal wagon]

and if you have some slow then amagi is missing disproportionately bc she likely fires last in your set up

[blissful hamlet]

yeah but the rest got stronger torps, and db probably won't amount much in damage compared to torps since they have 40% hitrate or something

[boreal wagon]

there is about half a billion variables at play here and against moving targets it is simply just better to use a freezer or you will have wild inconsistencies

[atomic abyss]

if your stronger torps miss

your DBs will do better

that's all

it isnt rocket science

also, what lars said

[blissful hamlet]

guess I have to accept that amagi is mid then

[night crow]

Anyone know if Tashkent is a lot better with her augment now ?

[boreal wagon]

if thats your takeaway from this sure - but its wrong

[atomic abyss]

no, your team building is mid, amagi isnt

[storm olive]

Serenity this isn't pvp

[atomic abyss]

very

[jaunty vault]

how much

[atomic abyss]

for a veteran player, only a moron would not use a freeze with CVs against opsi bosses

[lone knoll]

Hi, should I keep SR dupes from general pool or can I feed them?

[boreal wagon]

shes viable-ish for nyak now which is more than she was before

[jaunty vault]

oh my gotto its shinononononme

[atomic abyss]

competitive/equal with low tech DDGs

[jaunty vault]

im high tech 😎

[night crow]

Awesome, I've been wanting to use her cause she has my favorite skin in game

[atomic abyss]

tash w/ aug is insanely valuable for a new player really

the issue is actually getting tashkent

[wet badge]

Is agir good against opsi bosses 4 slow and tank (i dont wanna use avp)

[atomic abyss]

agir slow is so cope

[wet badge]

Wdym

[atomic abyss]

you're reliant on the torps hitting

you have to time your torps AND the torp travel time

[storm olive]

Didn't agir slow get invalidated by Soyuz and BZ

[atomic abyss]

agir slow was never even relevant

[wet badge]

Oh bz and soyuz have slows?

[atomic abyss]

soyuz has slow

BZ has something better

[wet badge]

So soyuz would go really well with AN

[storm olive]

BZ has black hole and Soyuz has a slow

[boreal wagon]

i'd argue another issue is probably the fact that SR augs arent exactly cheap

[atomic abyss]

BZ slows enemies and sucks them to a fixed point

[wet badge]

Yo thats op

[atomic abyss]

that's why she's the best BB in the game

[wet badge]

Is soyuz + AN better for opsi boss?

[atomic abyss]

maybe

[primal silo]

SR is elite, right?
If you don't need them, scrap them, don't feed as enhancement

[lone knoll]

NO sr is gold

[night crow]

Nah I'm not a new player I just like making viable faction fleets for fun and am seeing whose better between Tashkent and Ognevoy

[boreal wagon]

SR is super rare aka golden
unless you are on the JP server

[storm olive]

Actually what's the current best ops BB fleet, or is there enough URs where it changes based on armour type now

[primal silo]

But that's SSR

[boreal wagon]

thats only in JP (and i think CN?)

[storm olive]

JP player

[boreal wagon]

EN uses elite and SR instead of SR and SSR

[atomic abyss]

Bis Zwei, Alsace, Soyuz

[lone knoll]

so can I sel them?

[atomic abyss]

if it's heavy, you could throw musashi over soyuz

[boreal wagon]

the anwser is p much the same tho (probably)

[primal silo]

I like to keep gold

[lone knoll]

do you keep or sell

[primal silo]

But you can scrap if it's already MLB

[storm olive]

So was missing Alsace and Soyuz bad then (I don't think I fully missed Soyuz event, I have her gun )

[lone knoll]

yeah that I already do

[boreal wagon]

there isnt much point to keeping dupes if you have already max limit broken a copy and having medals is kinda nice, but some people tend to keep copies comes down to your preference really
i personally scarp them

if you havent MLBed them yet u might as well keep them arround for limit breaks

[lone knoll]

i dont have the ships mlb tho, is it worth to save a bulin?

[primal silo]

If not MLB, I like to keep, cause I have the dock space

[boreal wagon]

yes very worth especially for goldens

[lone knoll]

okok I keep then

[atomic abyss]

yeeep

musashi has fallen down the pecking order, so has vanguard

ofc you could just use vanguard and musashi in place

but timing musashi on light with helena is

[storm olive]

I don't even have vanguard sushi NJ BZ

[atomic abyss]

vanny just reran in july

[storm olive]

I also missed that

[atomic abyss]

it means you also missed the best BB aux

[storm olive]

I came back like just before EN anniversary

[boreal wagon]

thats rough, will be a while for vang + her aux to become perma

[atomic abyss]

oh well, just use CVs then

[storm olive]

CVs feel comfier to time anyway, since I've done pr5 should I move onto nakhimov?

[atomic abyss]

sure

[wind hazel]

if i have two CV with same airstrike timing, what's gonna determine who strike first?

[atomic abyss]

placement

[boreal wagon]

and sometimes lag

[atomic abyss]

the one in flag first
then top, then bottom

[wind hazel]

i see

[keen sable]

What does feed mean? Dupes are always viable limit break material. Medals are always worth more than insignificant enhancement.

[lone knoll]

feedin as in mlb my bad

[obsidian breach]

Guys. Do you immediately clear every area in OpSi everytime it resets, or do you stop when you reach daily META Coordinate Logger?

[crimson glacier]

i just clear new zones when the recon comes off cooldown

[keen sable]

I use all my ap by the end of the season with a minimum of daily regen and 200 meta coordinates.

[late flame]

i buy logger, load up ap and let the game auto overnight

[white agate]

i use 5k oil for the logger and then use all ap boxes and auto for the day cuz lazy

[spring bolt]

i buy ap with oil

[white agate]

so... every cat node zone has a % to give ur blueprints indipendently from the corrosion level?
i just did a level 3 to clear tool of war and got a ur blueprint for planes

[obsidian breach]

I just manual it, not using strategic research 'cause i dont know how to use it, and stop clearing when i reach daily META logger. Is this efficient?

[lone knoll]

any of these worth it?

[atomic abyss]

no

[obsidian breach]

Why not just keep the new ships?

[lone knoll]

I guess ill buy a random one for fleet tech

[wanton barn]

Pls, i need help with Chkalov's gear
I don't know what's the best for her

[jaunty vault]

put whatever you'd put on a good CL

and get her aug

and max limit break her

[wanton barn]

She's CV, PR5 CV

[jaunty vault]

right

i was thinking the sadist CL (Chapayev)

you want two helldivers/tenrai and a barracuda/wyvern for campaigning/mobbing

[forest palm]

breguet for the wyvern poor

[light trail]

is the wolf pack better than the other one or would WP ssr + archerfish/leo be better? or just the one im already using? (disregard levels)

[forest palm]

what other subs do you have

[light trail]

i-19 is my only other ssr

[jaunty vault]

get albacore from merit and replace royal fortune with her, should be a solid comp

[forest palm]

96 is medals, but I don't think any server has SS this month

[light trail]

I've been waiting for u-96 for ages

[spring bolt]

2 of the fish + da vinci is nice for main story, save you a little bit of oil
or just do 3 fish

[white agate]

wasn't she in the medal shop last month?
or was it another iron blood ss ssr?

[jaunty vault]

depends on your server

[light trail]

im on lexington

once i get 96 though, would that be my best bet or still that 2 fish+leo team? i guess in the context of w13+ and harbiter

[spring bolt]

on paper, 3 fish is most suitable for opsi, da vinci + 2 fish for main story, wolf pack is slightly behind 3 fish
but in reality, any of the 3 is more than enough to get the job done in any content, you won't clearly feel the difference

[undone plover]

Why is da vinci good in campaign can I ask

[jaunty glade]

for projects, is there a quick rule of thumb for best projects - i.e, ignore cubes, always do coins if possible with 1500>3000>6000,

[white agate]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[spring bolt]

no need to move her, out of attack range strike once per sortie

[atomic abyss]

Go for the face researches

[lone knoll]

Do file zones from the exchange shop reset? i have not found that out from reading the wiki.

[atomic abyss]

They do not

[white agate]

no, the orange ones they are 7 i think do not reset

[atomic abyss]

They are one time only

[lone knoll]

rip, it was too good to be true

[calm ledge]

does akagi u activate amagi CV's passive or does it have to be base akagi

[atomic abyss]

it does, not that it's worth using

[wary timber]

does Anchorage have good AA ? is is her AA garbage compared to ships like Helena

[keen sable]

No yes

[atomic abyss]

shd be only slightly worse than helena but correct, she doesnt

[keen sable]

Yes that's why it's wyvern rush not wyvern for life

[turbid dawn]

Is there a consistent way of killing QEM? I do 95-100% of her hp but only about 30% of the time it does kill

[atomic abyss]

use CVs

she is a BB, so weak to planes

[viscid swift]

you need a ship that can kill the nights faster and more consistently

[atomic abyss]

so wichitaM or a high tech helena meta

[viscid swift]

Wichita needs a high level of investment as well for consistency

[turbid dawn]

They do kill it 3s in, I have it timed so 3s after they spawn BisZ groups them and Jintsuu fires he tea torps at same time and kills all of them

Well sometimes 1 is missed but thats only an extra 3-4s

[atomic abyss]

if BZ is grouping them you're already losing damage

[viscid swift]

preferably you wouldn't have to have a BB waste their salvo to kill them at all

like that

[wary timber]

and according to some bits ive heard... Anchorage might just be tankier than Agir ?

[crimson glacier]

thats a no from me

[atomic abyss]

well

smoke rng is smoke rng

ancho can make the whole team tankier technically

[keen sable]

Manjuu doesn't work on agir

[turbid dawn]

I don't have Sushi at all or Withcita levelled yet, do you think the massive amounts of dmg Jintsuu brings on her own is worth sacraficing? She is doing the same as Unzen and more some fights

[viscid swift]

the issue isn't her damage on it's own, it's the fact she can't solo the knights before the BBs get their 3rd salvos off that's the issue

[wary timber]

i see... so should i either replace Prinz Heinrich and Roon with Anchorage ?

[turbid dawn]

Do you think Witchita doing 100k less dmg then Jintsuu is worth 1 BB salvo?

[viscid swift]

yes

[turbid dawn]

Probs more then that tbh

Sinxe Ply is only doing 90k

[viscid swift]

and let's just say, don't underestimate Wichita META

[atomic abyss]

wichita meta is in theory the third best vanguard DPS in terms of well, DPS

and personally, my michita is out damaging my unzen for qem

[viscid swift]

gimme one sec

[turbid dawn]

One of the few I haven't levelled yet, is she worth it then? I've just hit the PR 7 dev30

[viscid swift]

she's FP tech

[forest palm]

Kim, Vestal, Hiei all have useless tech the rest is fine

[turbid dawn]

Do you think it's worht doing her over the PR7s right now or nah? In fact do we have an idea of how good the PRs are?

[sharp socket]

isnt wichita very glassy

[forest palm]

outside of Bayard the other 2 are generic

[forest palm]

literal Glass Cannon, a CA with Light Armor

[sterile fox]

Really?

[atomic abyss]

wichitaM is like, the 3rd frailest vanguard that's not a bulin

with that said, she does have a 0HP invul skill

she has a built in manjuu that also heals her afterwards

sure she's not great for most game modes

[viscid swift]

Kinda fucked the positions a bit but you get the idea

[atomic abyss]

but for stuff like metas where it's do or die, might as well

if you're that worried, there's always eld

i dont have a d30 ply so i use eld instead with main tank michita
yes, main tank

[wary timber]

so.. considering that i have no rainbow CA gun for Anchorage... whats the next best gun for her

[atomic abyss]

why would you even waste a rainbow CA gun on ancho

her damage isnt anything notable

just use the appropriate gold CA gun depending on the enemy armour

[wary timber]

hmm

then will the gold 203mm mk15 be enough...

[keen sable]

Blucher probably and anchorage does a lot of gun damage

[atomic abyss]

[sharp socket]

any of the ships in here that have good tech

[atomic abyss]

tenne has rld no?

so does ise

[forest palm]

CA, and TN have useful tech afaik

[sharp socket]

i have 12 purple bulins so i can prepare a couple of these

[atomic abyss]

oh right princeton is CV rld

[viscid swift]

Denver is CL FP, Ise is BB reload, Boise CL FP, Princeton CV reload, Hwa Jah CV Reload, Arkangel BB FP, California BB reload

[sharp socket]

ill do princeton hwan jah and cali first then

[viscid swift]

Naka, Fei Yuen, Suzunami, Devonshire, Ayase are torp and Pamiat is hit tech

[forest palm]

use this for future reference, it cuts down a lot of headache
https://retropaint.github.io/azur-lane-fleet-tech-tracker/

[light trail]

i see i see. who's the 3rd fish btw? i only know albacore and archerfish off the top of my head

[keen sable]

Flasher is op

[forest palm]

preferably Flasher, but Cavalla can work

[light trail]

i missed that event

i quit for about a year and a half

[sharp socket]

do i have to manual input all of my ships

[light trail]

i missed most of the amazing URs

[forest palm]

sadly, yes

[light trail]

and owari

[forest palm]

but it makes things simpler to document, and look up

[bright glen]

What type of planes should one use for Amagi CV?

[sharp socket]

im too lazy to do that but thanks anyway

[forest palm]

don't even need to fill it out, just use it as a reference

[forest palm]

for leveling? or for boss?

[bright glen]

Leveling.

[forest palm]

could do Flap + Breguet + Wyvern

[bright glen]

Thanks. What should I put on her in the future against Heavy/medium bosses?

[versed sentinel]

can we get firecrest through something else other than gear lab?

[forest palm]

that is a more broader question, and can't be simply answered solely based off of Amagi alone

[forest palm]

Blackburn from Core Data

[jaunty vault]

firecrest is a gearlab only gear

[bright glen]

So what's her best fleet? I'm assuming the standard IJN UR CVs?

[atomic abyss]

shinano + impla/august

[forest palm]

the most general is going to be Shinanao + Imp + Amagi, if the enemy is stationary, just replace Imp for Haku

[hollow gust]

For medium she works well in nahk comps

[bright glen]

So if I use her in the Shinano and Impla fleet, what should I put on her for heavy bosses? I mean it in Fighter-TorpBomber-Bomber sense.

[forest palm]

I use this

[bright glen]

Thanks.

[forest palm]

I may never use Nyak outside of one off meta fights

this would work for light, right?

[spring bolt]

should be ok but not many reasons to use ijn cvs for light if you can use yk2 and kear

[forest palm]

don't feel like gearing said fleet, much less setting it up

presets are much simpler for me

[spring bolt]

well, you know, devs are free, who knows what kind of gimmick will next meta have

[forest palm]

if it's for meta sure, I'll gear what's needed, but this is ops

[spring bolt]

just accpet your fate and change gears

[forest palm]

4th fleet will remain the dump fleet

[small walrus]

I just unlocked a wallpaper for my port, but am unsure how to access it. All I see is the ability to set secretaries. Could someone tell me how to access my wallpapers?

[tropic tusk]

is it ok to use 2 on a bb?

[white agate]

no,ability does not stack with itself

[tropic tusk]

how about black n white

ok thx

[polar venture]

is it worth to roll on heavy if i want shimikaze?

[tropic tusk]

no just do daily light roll and wait for the pity

[viscid swift]

no

[small walrus]

Thank you!

[undone plover]

what is tenrai vs La-9 dmg on heavy

[atomic abyss]

what in the oblivion

dat med damage is insane

[viscid swift]

also this is so cursed

[atomic abyss]

how does it compare to skyraider btw

WHAT THE FUCK

[forest palm]

[undone plover]

does this take into account the worse AVI scaling for the tenrai?

[wet badge]

Is uvh a better fdg

[viscid swift]

very well

[viscid swift]

yes

it's Riceist's bomb spread page

[wind hazel]

the way it's written tilt me.

1260 vs 1,068.40

[primal silo]

[reef flume]

FdG does damages. Ulrich does more than that

[undone plover]

also cheeky this is both at +10 right?

[forest palm]

what's the CV sync window again? .3?

[viscid swift]

I think so, don't quote me on that though

[viscid swift]

0.2 preferably

[forest palm]

alright then

[undone plover]

one more question, will the physical hit rate change if u use a slow/freeze?

[eager mulch]

is 0.01 good sync

[undone plover]

~~also is your name a copypasta or did i miss sth ~~

[forest palm]

mildly cooking

[viscid swift]

these numbers are against stationary enemies

[bold cove]

does Ayase is a good DD to raise? and may i ask which one is Sakura Main Fleet?

[still plover]

How do I turn off "Lets move on" message in operation siren? I set to full auto exploring however it always stops after each map on this message and continues only after i click this message

[undone plover]

a very tight sync might give rng in strike order I think
Not sure if it normalizes the longer the fight though

[bold cove]

trying to do Izumo Combat data

[viscid swift]

Ayase is a CL and no

[soft raft]

Main fleet = Backliners (IE Battleships and Carriers)

[bold cove]

thanks

[wind hazel]

turn on "reduce TB guidance"

[bold cove]

Meta ship count toward Combat data collection too?

[still plover]

Where can i find this option?

[wind hazel]

under settings

[soft raft]

Nope
META ships are in their own META faction

[still plover]

Thanks

[atomic abyss]

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

Yes

• Combat in Main Campaign, Events, Operation Siren
• Ships that are level capped for any reason, if the EXP otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• Muse (µ) ships and loli ships, if the faction matches.
• Use faction filters in Dock to double check.

No

• EXP from Exercise, Dorm, EXP Data Packs, Commissions.
• META ships. They are META faction, not the faction of their normal counterparts.

[forest palm]

forgot how much TB yap'd

[eager mulch]

[hushed cliff]

Is this still an ok gun for Heinrich or should I drop it

[forest palm]

it's fine

[tropic tusk]

left is better then the right right?

[spring bolt]

anyone knows which current boss has 5.5x8 hit box?
iirc all relevant bosses are 5.5x10

[tropic tusk]

if i want ply

[atomic abyss]

yes

[tropic tusk]

thx

[haughty dust]

Operation Siren / World 13/14

I need thoughts on what I asked in the new thread I created?

[forest palm]

link thread

or just repeat question

[atomic abyss]

taz

right above his message

[old swallow]

Other than Nagato Meta and Hiei Meta (Whom I am currently levelling their skills), anyone here that is worth levelling?

[forest palm]

like for tech?

[old swallow]

Yea for tech

[forest palm]

well Hiei tech isn't even worth it, Daisen is good though

[old swallow]

Ok got it, need to wait till I get her to Dev 30 first though

[spring bolt]

it's fine to level her now if it's leveling

12-2 is easy enough

[old swallow]

I mean sure but I prefer to use my shipgirls at their full potential

[spring bolt]

i used to the same, until i ran out of backlines to level

[old swallow]

Same

[undone plover]

Get the 3 purple meta ships that were added to the meta shop if u didnt have them before

[sharp token]

anything useful here?

[forest palm]

all three of those have good 120 tech

[coral summit]

Am new here. Would like to know what stats matter and what stat does what.

Also, what roles are mainly required for a fleet?

[wind hazel]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[coral summit]

Checked it out already. It didn't tell me about what each roles does and even for the fleet, it only talked about boss/mob fleet. For newbie, it said to ignore the fleet building and just use anything for now.

But I was just wondering what consists of a good fleet.

[wind hazel]

yes because it is information overload and will confuse you more than anything

especially if you aren't familiar with them

[sweet delta]

Required roles depends on the battle

[coral summit]

K but what does the each roles do? Like I saw there being like 15 roles.

[wind hazel]

[sweet delta]

If you mean hull types they are based on reality/history

[atomic abyss]

and before you ask no, each hull type does not have a specific role in the team

[coral summit]

If CV/DD/BB etc are hull types then yes

[sweet delta]

And they're not roles, like many CAs can tank but not all CAs are tank and not all tanks are CAs

[atomic abyss]

they are

[coral summit]

Ic. So it depends on their stats and skills?

[wet badge]

How is enty still good

[wind hazel]

Lucky E brrrrrr

[atomic abyss]

OP skill

[reef flume]

Double damage goes brrr

[atomic abyss]

so OP, that she basically gets better as long as they give her better gear

[wet badge]

💀

[atomic abyss]

since the better gear is more effective on her

[eager mulch]

Why would enty be bad

[old swallow]

Double damage + Invincibility goes brrrr

[atomic abyss]

yes

[reef flume]

Wait til they give Enty an augment

[coral summit]

Then what stats does what? Like I seen FP,TRP,AV and they all seem related to atk. So what makes a ship good?

[wind hazel]

funny enough the invincibility is... nothing

[spring bolt]

enty is not in top tier for a long time... just relatively good for new players

[atomic abyss]

you need to look at the entire package really

[forest palm]

the way Enterprise functions is that she's as good as the available gear

[atomic abyss]

fp is for gun damage
trp for torpedoes
avi for plane damage

[eternal basalt]

Except if PvP opponent

[atomic abyss]

reload is self explanatory

aa for anti air

[coral summit]

Is higher number of reload more time it takes or less?

[sweet delta]

Tap the stats on any ship to find out

[wind hazel]

CV against laffey2

[atomic abyss]

hp and eva are also self explanatory

[sweet delta]

Higher RLD means faster

[coral summit]

Done that but was wondering if torpedos are the skills which you tap to activate and the thing you aim or just normal atk done automatically by the ships?

[wind hazel]

it's the uh... the torpedo

[old swallow]

Depends on if you play manual - it is the torpedo icon you tap to activate torpedo once loaded

or
If you play on auto - then it fires automatically

[sweet delta]

Torpedo means this equipped torpedo, or many ships also have torpedoes in their skills

[eager mulch]

always annoying when i have to wait an extra 2 seconds cause I’ve wiped all the ships but Enty is immune

i only play the gacha

[coral summit]

So torpedo stats increases DMG of this thing?

Or is it talking about some another torpedo?

[sweet delta]

TRP stat on the corresponding ship increases the damage of this thing

[coral summit]

So if I don't have a ship who don't have a torpedo then I can't use it?

[eager mulch]

triple negative whoa

[wind hazel]

yes, if your ships don't use torpedo slots then you won't be able to shoot torpedo

[spring bolt]

some torps in barrages also affected by TRP stat
but torps from torp bombers don't, they are affected by AVI stat

[old swallow]

In a way, essentially yes

[coral summit]

Then what doe this things DMG depend on?

[eager mulch]

FP on the corresponding ship

[old swallow]

It fire salvoes from your BBs (Battleships) when ready

[coral summit]

And what about this?

[eager mulch]

Avi on the corresponding ship

[sweet delta]

Which video are you watching?

[old swallow]

Same but for Airstrikes from your CVs (Carriers)

[eager mulch]

watching Midway on YouTube movies rn

[wind hazel]

suchiguma youtube videos

[coral summit]

So some BB specialize in FP?

CV in Avi?

[sweet delta]

All BBs/BCs/BBVs/BMs specialize in FP, few of them have minor TRP or minor AVI

CV and CVL use AVI for almost all of their attacks

[coral summit]

What's the difference in these hull types?

K

And who specialize in TRP?

[undone plover]

Bb are battleships
Cv are carriers
Bb use guns
Cv use planes

[coral summit]

So these Torpedoes, Air strike and Calibration are my main source of DMG?

[sweet delta]

many vanguard ships DD/CL/CA/CB have TRP, few of them specialize in it. Many are FP focused or FP/TRP mix

airstrikes and battleship salvos from the buttons are the main damage. Vanguard guns have low reload times and fire automatically

[coral summit]

So I need to have at least 1 CV and 1 BB in my fleet?

[wet badge]

Dont some bcs like rupprecht and odin get torps

[jaunty vault]

he did mention that above

[wet badge]

O

Are they even worth getting for torps 💀

[sweet delta]

for chapter 1 to 11 you should have 1 or 2 BB/BC and Unicorn (who is a CVL) and 0 or 1 other CV/CVL

[spring bolt]

not necessarily. depends on the content you are playing, you might go for 3 BB/Cs or 3 CV/Ls

[coral summit]

What's the difference btw BB/BC and CV/CVL?

[coral summit]

So each stage require a different and unique fleet?

[spring bolt]

in early stages, you can use over leveled fleet and forget about fleet building
in late stages, you still have a certain degree of freedom but clearly less options than easy stages

[coral summit]

So should I just use my high rarity ships and just chill for now?

I did see in the newbie tips bout Helena, unicorn, Portland and Pennsylvania

That they are the best newbie units

[spring bolt]

BCs aren't very different to BBs, most of them have medium armor while BBs have heavy. they also tends to have slightly more RLD and EVA stats. the biggest thing that will affect your gameplay is hull type locks in hard mode
CVs usually have more planes than CVL, while CVLs has more RLD stat

[coral summit]

Ic

[sweet delta]

gold and rainbow ships cannot be limit broken quickly when you lack gold or rainbow bulins, so they are weak

[wet badge]

What ships do you have

[sweet delta]

you should only use 1 or 2 gold ships and only if they're good

[wet badge]

• needs lvl 70 for mlb

[sweet delta]

like almost all ships

[wet badge]

Wait how do u get a ship to lvl 70 early game

[sweet delta]

that wasn't the point

[coral summit]

Lemme take a cc

ss*

[spring bolt]

in this game higher rarity isn't automatically better, especially for gears. remember that many gold gears are completely shit while some purple ones will serve you well until very late game
i personally don't really like the idea of using Pennsylvania, as you will only use one fleet in the early game, i would recommend getting tirpitz from monthly medal exchange

[wet badge]

Dont you get a decent bit of gold bulins when you start

[wind hazel]

tirpitz

[wet badge]

Like starter rewards

[sweet delta]

if they are on Little Enterprise server then the medal shop is CV CV. So buy Enterprise and probably a second Enterprise for limit break

[coral summit]

Mind making me a fleet. Might give me a idea on how to make fleets and other things

How do I get medals?

[sweet delta]

retire blue or purple ships you don't want

[wet badge]

Retiring ships

[coral summit]

I only got gold from that

[wet badge]

Ye u need gold or purple

[coral summit]

Ohhh

[wet badge]

Or blue

I forgot about blue

[coral summit]

Is that the only way to get the medals?

[wet badge]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource

[wind hazel]

it is the main source

[coral summit]

Mind helping with this?

[wet badge]

Nvmm

[wind hazel]

your fleet is fine, keep using it

[wet badge]

Yeah ur starter should be good for a while

[sweet delta]

change Ranger to Lexington, and change Colorado to Pennsylvania(guild shop)

or if you spend $1, then you get a free Saratoga who is better than Lexington

[coral summit]

Nah full F2P

Is this valid ?https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/bb

[vale spindle]

the main source of medals is to fight stages and retire excess ships

[coral summit]

Or should I just not use a tier list?

[vale spindle]

of blue or higher rarity

[vale spindle]

the issue with ectl is that it hasnt been updated in months so its outdated

[sweet delta]

it's valid enough for mid game but since it doesn't consider early game cost, you should be careful

[coral summit]

K

So , in the list I can see that Colorado and Yat Sen are quite high on the list. Should I use them?

[spring bolt]

and ectl don't focus on late game much so i really don't know when it should be used, so just be careful on using it

[sweet delta]

retire these blue/purple ships to work towards 80 medals for Enterprise

[spring bolt]

colorado and yat sen are both good after retrofit, which you can't in very early game. and yat sen requires certain ships to activate her skill
so don't use them now

[sweet delta]

by the time you get colorado retrofit, she's mid
and maryland is better but still in the same boat

[spring bolt]

just use tirpitz, FDG faction points needs her and she's good for one fleeting

[coral summit]

Build me a fleet pls. That might give me a rough idea on how it works.

[wind hazel]

put your javelin in where portland is for the time being. when portland is leveled up, put her back where she belongs

that's about it

[coral summit]

Thnx. Will do.

Is the one on the right in Vanguard javelin?

[wind hazel]

yes

[coral summit]

Kk

Do you recommend any ships I should buy from the shop?

[sweet delta]

Which shop

[coral summit]

Guild shop

[sweet delta]

You already got them

[coral summit]

Oh

So other than Pennsylvania, no one?

[sweet delta]

Correct

[coral summit]

Kk

What does Helena do? I saw her skill , which I can see is a good debuff but what about her stats?

[sweet delta]

Decent

[coral summit]

Same with Portland. Her first skill seems basically useless and her HP and EVA and Her skill, all seems worse off than prince Eugene. Is there a specific reason which makes her good?

[wind hazel]

cheap and efficient tank

[sweet delta]

Portland doesn't use gold bulins

[atomic abyss]

portland skills are useless yes, but eugen's are just as useless

[sweet delta]

And you're right, treat Portland like she doesn't have skills. Don't waste skill books on her

[atomic abyss]

she has a retrofit, which is required to get for the beginner missions

and most importantly, she doesnt use up the extremely limited amount of gold bulins you have early on

[coral summit]

K

So she is a early - mid early game character?

[atomic abyss]

early and mid game yes

still viable late game too, tho by then you have way better options

[sweet delta]

Good through chapter 12 , and chapter 12 is where you stop to farm

[coral summit]

Got it. I do was wondering why all the guide and vid glorified Portland. So it was her glory for the early game then huh. I totally thought she was gonna be like a god character cus of all the things I heard bout her lol

[atomic abyss]

she beats the early-mid game resource crunch and you are rewarded for clearing missions due to raising her, what's not to love

[coral summit]

The skill slots with '?' are something you unlock later or do they mean that there isn't any skill?

[atomic abyss]

? are blanks - they have no skills

locked skills have a ...lock

[coral summit]

Got it

[wary timber]

also. does the extra aa gun prototype triple 150mm type 5 gives actually stack with the AA gun i already have equipped ?

[viscid swift]

yes

[wary timber]

also how effective that AA gun it gives

[sweet delta]

very small positive to the fleet

[wary timber]

also... should i give my spare 6tuple bofors to Helena and Helena Meta

[atomic abyss]

no

[sweet delta]

depends on the fleet, enemy, and your available AA guns

[coral summit]

Uhhh...where do I retire my ships from?

[atomic abyss]

build

from there, check the left side, 4th option

[coral summit]

K

[wary timber]

my most abundant AA guns are now my gold quad bofors followed by like 6 hazemeyers, then my 4 STAAGs and 4 6tuple bofors

[atomic abyss]

sextuples are for your AA carries

[coral summit]

Got 12 medals 👍

[wary timber]

i gave a 6tuple to Sandy and another to Helena Meta

[sweet delta]

If the alternative is quad Bofors, then just put sextuple on all the vanguard

How did you get 4 sextuples though

[wary timber]

i also have a +10 roomba apparently

[atomic abyss]

im more confused how you have more sextuples than roombas

[sweet delta]

old player

[wary timber]

but roombas are slowwwwww

[atomic abyss]

and that's why you mix AA guns

[sweet delta]

They are barely slower than sextuple

[wary timber]

and less damage tho. 130/ wave vs 150/ wave

[atomic abyss]

roombas are like, 3rd best AA gun

they only lose out to the sextuple and rainbow

i mean it's not like you have 6 sextuples anyways

[sweet delta]

Roombas are as good as sextuples

Sometimes better sometimes worse

[sweet delta]

And a massive 7 more range

[wary timber]

im farming 12-3

[sweet delta]

High range is very good for chapter 12

[wary timber]

also what about the German 105mm

[haughty dust]

Any advice on my current thread and current Op Si loadout I posted or any recommended changes? Also any fleet advice for getting world 13 to safe or start on World 14

[atomic abyss]

decent AA gun, esp as interrim

[sweet delta]

Worse than Roomba/sextuple, better than quad bofors

[haughty dust]

I can reference the thread if need be.

[sweet delta]

Or same as quad Bofors

[atomic abyss]

same as bofors

yes pls link the thread

[haughty dust]

here: https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1292161847415537705

[wary timber]

so BOTH 105mm guns that arent the time fused variant are decent guns ?

[sweet delta]

Theres only one 105 because the other is why craft it from gear lab

[wary timber]

i would. tho i havnt

[sweet delta]

Good for you

[wary timber]

also. im using Ingraham as a DD. and the tierlist recommends giving her a sextuple or a roomba. worth with a vanguard fleet with similar AA guns ?

[sweet delta]

It's chapter 12, doesn't matter

[rough ravine]

Guys if i oath bismarck zwei do i still get her oath skin or does it have to be the og bismarck?

[atomic abyss]

you do

[rough ravine]

Perfect thx

[keen sable]

I wouldn't intentionally make something that's worse for no reason

[keen sable]

yes it's worth giving her an aa gun.

[elder parcel]

heyo
i've tried following a fleet guide for w15, and the boss fleet already failed on 15-1
is there an updated guide? i'm interested on lethal 3star on auto if it's possible, if not, i just wanna do it auto, can always get the 3star later when it's safe

[knotty dome]

what makes range better/worse on different maps?

[atomic abyss]

/w15 is it this guide?

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[elder parcel]

i'm looking for the copy paste fleets, if there's one available

the guide i followed and failed was this one: http://renhex.github.io/alft/48

[atomic abyss]

those fleets should work tho

[sweet delta]

When there are fewer squads of enemy planes, high range is better to more consistently catch them. When there is a constant stream of planes, high DPS is better for higher DPS

[elder parcel]

sandy died on last mob, and boss fleet died

[atomic abyss]

they're close to the best possible

[knotty dome]

thanks

[atomic abyss]

your ships are 125

[elder parcel]

yessir

[sweet delta]

dont use brest and ply

those are pre-guam/laffii fleets

[sweet delta]

scroll to the bottom, but it would help to read the rest

[elder parcel]

ah, i didn't noticed the links at the bottom

[vivid veldt]

How do I beat chapter 13 hard mode? I handled 12 easily but left the game for a while and came back

[keen sable]

good ships, good amount of aa.

#bot-spam /w15 would apply

[ivory thicket]

hello gph, can anyone explain to me how is Helena assisting Shinano, Amagi and Haku to get those insane attack boosts?

im talking specifically about this video
https://youtu.be/6TjR8zzCnVQ
he one shots Nagato meta in 49 seconds! can anyone explain the comp and why it works like this?

[sweet delta]

It's quite simple, the CVs hit when Helena debuff and Cleveland buff are active

[ivory thicket]

so Helena's 1st skill is that powerful?

[atomic abyss]

yes, dats why she's OP

[sweet delta]

it's 40% more damage for the whole fleet when it activates for 10 seconds

[atomic abyss]

it is a full 40% more damage btw

[ivory thicket]

ik he uses Amagi here but suppose i use Nagato, and helena cause Nagato also has the big 7 buff, does the damage rate increase even more?

[atomic abyss]

no because you lose damage from using nagato

[sweet delta]

helena debuff multiplies with everything else, it's always 40% more damage

[atomic abyss]

a very significant amount

[ivory thicket]

using inplace of Amagi, yea i understand now

[sweet delta]

Cleveland's 25% buff would add with Nagato's 20% CV buff for +45%

[ivory thicket]

alr trying the comp rn

[sweet delta]

i wouldnt recommend it

[stoic tulip]

Does anyone have a suggestion on how many cognitive chips to keep in storage at a minimum?

[viscid swift]

there's too much RNG involved for my taste

[keen sable]

.6 * .6 * .25 * .25. probably some more * in there. gl.

[stoic tulip]

I've got like 3k but don't know if should just use them to get some more 120s

[sweet delta]

no, just use them on good ships

[atomic abyss]

it's not a good comp

it's a gimmicky comp

considering you have to rng proc helena's 60% chance AND cleveland's 25% chance

[sweet delta]

trust me i tried that fleet and would not recommend it

[ivory thicket]

oh, i see, yea lots of rng involvement

[forest palm]

[elder parcel]

it went smooth, boss fleet barely got touched in 15-1
many thanks

[stuck furnace]

This is mob fleet who should get wyverns

[kindred kite]

in war archive how do i get to d4?

[eager mulch]

clear C and D stages till you get to D4

[kindred kite]

i did b4 and c didnt unlock

[elder parcel]

all i gotta do for 15-2 is to put washing machines on my backline, right?

[eager mulch]

You don’t have to clear B stages for C stages you have to hit the hard button in the bottom left

[elder parcel]

for the boss fleet

[stark quiver]

yes

[kindred kite]

@eager mulch dang it, thanks so much haha

[stark quiver]

or run damage aux and hope you kill it befoer they kill you

[urban solar]

is opsi story supposed to feel like an endless grind?

[atomic abyss]

story? no

[icy cave]

Do we get a lot of cog chips from farming 12-4?

[viscid swift]

not really but it's better than nothing

[sweet delta]

According to community data collection, you can expect 1.2 chips per sortie

[icy cave]

Where can I get more

[forest palm]

feed the game the funny numbers on your plastic card

[wet prairie]

Does level 2 of dorm increase affinity? I forgot

Ok so only first secretary and grinding increases affinity

[fiery raptor]

it increases morale regen

so you can grind harder
and technically get more affinity

Does drake really have enough aa to be worth running a sexy bofors on her or is it just a general BIS thing?

[atomic abyss]

the latter

most CAs do not have good AA

correction - almost all of them

cheshire being that notable exception

next best is pittsburgh and the other baltimores iirc
but there's quite a gap

[sweet delta]

Little Cheshire

[atomic abyss]

Is she actually better than Pittsburgh

[vale spindle]

little cheshire is as good as normal cheshire for AA purposes yes
what AA+1 with 400 AA and high efficiencies does to a mf

[atomic abyss]

I stand corrected then

[stuck furnace]

perseus or ryuuho as healing cv

[sweet delta]

Unicorn

[stuck furnace]

yeah but other than unicorn

im alr using unicorn

[sweet delta]

what chapter are you on?

[remote yarrow]

There's no need for a second healer in most cases

[stuck furnace]

im just using 2 healers so I can afk in opsi

[storm olive]

You can afk in opsi with just uni

[remote yarrow]

Opsi mobbing easy enough for you to not need another healer

What are you currently using to "afk"?

[stuck furnace]

ryuuho unicorn alsace flag backline

noshiro kronshtadt and an shan for frontline

[remote yarrow]

Hmm, that's decent enough if all are MLB and 120

[eager mulch]

[tropic tusk]

which one should i try my best to dev 30 first? ply or kearsarge?

[forest palm]

Plymouth is far more impactful

[tropic tusk]

ok

[storm heron]

is it a good idea to use 3 cv in 13-4 boss fleet?

[cobalt rapids]

use bb to snipe repair early

[forest palm]

you won't be able to clean up the trash fast enough, and you'll just fail the boss fight

[cobalt rapids]

taihou also has 600 aa

[coarse heron]

I think I used 2 BB for Taihou on lethal

Could just use 1 UR BB nowadays of course

[storm heron]

no wonder it was so difficult too fight taihou with saratoga enterprise and ark royale

[fiery raptor]

is flandre mgm +2 like alsace or just +1?

[sinful elk]

Chat the oath stat bonus does affect a ship rld stat at a noticable amount or not really much change?

[cobalt rapids]

can be noticeable

[fiery raptor]

it's combined with fleet tech bb rld when it becomes noticeable

[vale spindle]

its not noticeable unless the extra reload lets you get another instance of damage before a timer expires (ex. in meta fights)

[sinful elk]

Its for syncing purpose

[fiery raptor]

not so much for syncing it's for getting in a full salvo before meta timer expires

when boss gets invuln on expiration extra shot damage is wasted

[alpine glade]

is there any site which provides the min/max drops from all nodes in campaign?

[fiery raptor]

min/max?

[alpine glade]

e.g like 0-4 cog chips?

seen ty

[simple sage]

Is this bisha worth minmaxing?

[cobalt rapids]

yes

its an amazing starter, perfect cat potential

[simple sage]

OK ty

[keen sable]

pins only have avg afaik

[left cedar]

just have one single problem, u can have only 2 more talents iirc, so need to be
flames and RLD one

or its 6 talents and i'm making a mistake

[cobalt rapids]

flame rld or flame avi depending what kind of bisha u want

[simple sage]

destiny and ace are already 2 unique so others can't appear?

[cobalt rapids]

they can

u can have 5 uniques

[vale spindle]

if anything it increases the chance cause for the majority of your talent point rolls you are guaranteed min 3 new talents on that roll instead of the usual 2

after you spend 1 talent point to max officer, you are guaranteed for all 4 to be new talents

[topaz smelt]

You pretty much always want flame

[simple sage]

OK thx

[topaz smelt]

Enjoy -1m coins

[coarse heron]

Minmaxing cats is the real end game

[stark quiver]

4 years of playing and not a single good cat roll

[novel solstice]

Sink more money into it and you can keep trying...

[little tree]

The cats are the real gacha game

[simple sage]

Almost 6 Avi more probably not worth 1m

[sweet delta]

It shouldn't take even a fifth of a million to get it

[spice phoenix]

should i or should i not use it for its intended use?

[sudden sparrow]

Y'all, need help with 13-1.

[stark quiver]

whats the max potential rld i can get from 2 cats for cv

[sudden sparrow]

Mind helping out with fleet comp so that I don't get my ass handed back to me by that clump of planes in the boss battle?

[spring bolt]

40, both with 8 from ace, 6 from chief and 6 from rld

[little tree]

Where is sandy ??

[stark quiver]

not in the screen shots apparently

[sudden sparrow]

Probably have to scroll down to find her.

[little tree]

Make a thread with full dock

[cobalt rapids]

fdg unicorn painleve - brest marseil ply
bz nj enterprise - aegir shima unzen

[stark quiver]

btw for cv cats, does it have to be 1 gold 1 purple, or can it be either

[sweet delta]

Note it's bz, not the bsm you're currently using

[keen sable]

using the bad bs. superchad

[spring bolt]

sadly we don't have a second gold cv cat so we are limited to one purple and one gold... but if your purple has better talent, nothing wrong to use 2 purple cats

[sudden sparrow]

13-1

[sudden sparrow]

One of the first oaths I got.

Her ironblood crt and CV damage buffs are good.

[forest palm]

those faction buffs are very paltry, and hold back the player back

[sudden sparrow]

Either way, she did good back then.

Normal Biscuit is good for early and mid game.

[stark quiver]

shes not

[forest palm]

no, but also no

[sudden sparrow]

Not from my experience.

Probably because I used faction fleets.

[forest palm]

tell you now that's not the reason

[viscid swift]

that's down to how easy the content you were tackling was more than any strength of OG bismarck and faction fleets as a whole

[topaz smelt]

You would have the same experience running a full fleet of blues

[novel solstice]

Early to mid game you can run literally anything, including a full fleet of blues and grays, at the cost of just having to gain a few more levels now and then. Level advantage is huge, a bad ship is equal to a good ship ten levels lower.

[little tree]

Will I need aqulia for w15 if I have volga ?

[viscid swift]

I would prefer Aquila but Volga can still work fine

[topaz smelt]

Aql is kinda better, you prefer to have both tho

[little tree]

I saw she got added to perma

[viscid swift]

this can only end well

[sudden sparrow]

It was pretty easy for me. Got her all the way to 12-4. Although, planning on not using her anymore since I got FDG and Zwei now.

[viscid swift]

getting to W12 is not a hard feat in the slightest

[sudden sparrow]

Ik.

[viscid swift]

what you need to understand is difficulty does not increase linearly in the main campiagn and literally just any fleet that is over leveled enough can make it to W12

[topaz smelt]

Game doesn't get hard til like 15

[viscid swift]

so saying X works getting to W12 is saying that the fleet you used didn't completely suck, nothing more

[icy cave]

How do people have so many chips to 120 ships do they just stockpile

[viscid swift]

playing the game

[topaz smelt]

It doesn't even say that

[viscid swift]

yeah you're right, that's being generous

[sudden sparrow]

I have 68k cog chips. Yet I ran out of chip arrays a few days ago.

[novel solstice]

Time. You get 210 a day from the daily, and you get some from cruise pass, opsi metas, shops, events... For those of us who have been playing for years, that adds up to a lot. That's enough to be steadily getting a ship or to to 120 every week.

[viscid swift]

sadly not enough

[icy cave]

I see!

[little tree]

~~ cheeky so broke he can't 120 amagi chan~~

[novel solstice]

It's easier to keep getting XP than to keep getting chips, so even long-time players get a pileup of ships waiting for their chips (assuming you bought the dock space so you can have that pileup)

[left cedar]

once u are rushing fleet tech isnt not even near enough of pogchips ...

[icy cave]

[little tree]

I'll run out of books before chips

[viscid swift]

just give it time, you'll get there eventually

[elder parcel]

for some reason, my mob fleet suddenly started taking way more damage on 15-3
is there any mechanic/gimmick related to the 2 boss fights? it feels that just by having the boss spawned it's making my mob fleet take more damage, but idk if it's just me imagining things lol

[stark quiver]

it just gets harder, thats kinda all, and there are subs

[viscid swift]

have you been beating the Super CV nodes first

[stark quiver]

also that

[elder parcel]

it was the 2nd node to be beaten

[sweet delta]

Should be the first

[elder parcel]

subs dont seem to be the issue

[stark quiver]

you could move a node out of the way

[little tree]

~~ I just checked down to 1k cog lmao~~

[elder parcel]

how so? there's a mob blocking the path

[sweet delta]

Did you skip the tutorial

[viscid swift]

there's a mechanic in W15 that allows you to move fleets

[storm heron]

use the space stone to move the enemy node

[stark quiver]

🧠

[sweet delta]

Maybe bringing asw just made your vanguard less tanky

[sudden sparrow]

Damn.

[elder parcel]

i've been calling subs for all the ammoless fights, but it's still not enough
my mob fleet is just dying

[cobalt rapids]

ur main fleet looks very healthy so u should be on double line

[elder parcel]

imma try double line

[cobalt rapids]

also are u 3 staring ?

[elder parcel]

[topaz smelt]

BB nodes do that

[cobalt rapids]

bb fleet can delete ships so fight them on ammo

[elder parcel]

yeah, i'm trying to lethal 3 star
it was a breeze on 15-1 and -2, but now it just doesnt work

[cobalt rapids]

well 15-3 and 4 are considerably harder

[weary gust]

15-3 is a lot harder than 2.

[viscid swift]

well evidently your fleet isn't up to scratch for that

[sudden sparrow]

Damn.

[viscid swift]

just clear it normally, get it down to safe, and then 3 star it

[cobalt rapids]

also u have to cycle boss fleets with ur mob and boss

[keen sable]

warning nuclear missile launched

[cobalt rapids]

even if u beat all mobs ur boss will die with tactical analysis against final boss

[sweet delta]

did you skip that tutorial too

and skip the wiki and skip the guide

[elder parcel]

yes

[sudden sparrow]

Damn.

[elder parcel]

the google doc guide i have readed it

[cobalt rapids]

but decided to skip over the prereqs

[topaz smelt]

Fleets look functional idk about gear here

[stark quiver]

slide gear

[elder parcel]

i underestimated w15
the whole game it was just copy paste fleets and it worked, so i went with the same mindset
but now i'm seeing this aint gonna work here , so i'll try to learn to play it better and use all the resources

[elder parcel]

my gear is exactly the same for Option A in the google doc guide

[topaz smelt]

Copy paste fleets work if you copy good fleets

[elder parcel]

except the subs which I'm using wolfpack instead

[weary gust]

Subs are by far the least important part.

[fervent hearth]

Well perm tech stats aren’t account for

[sweet delta]

therein lies your problem, the example fleet isn't for 3 starring lethal

[topaz smelt]

Subs can carry quite a bit of load in 15

[elder parcel]

i got basically all of the needed ones

[cobalt rapids]

everything is important for 3 star lethal
option a is not the best for 3 star its a clear fleet

[sweet delta]

and im pretty sure it said "use your better ships or gear" which means musashi...

[spring bolt]

where can i find this doc?

[viscid swift]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[cobalt rapids]

in /w15

[elder parcel]

it was weird seeing NJ instead of Musashi for mob
but i would guess if one is sharing a fleet example, it would use the best options available

[keen sable]

soooo how'd you end up fighting a bb node on 0 ammo#bot-spam /w15

[fervent hearth]

Musasshi isn’t needed btw if you don’t have her dw

[topaz smelt]

You're often just forced to fight bbs on 0 ammo

Can't really control rng

[viscid swift]

a guide as a rule of thumb wouldn't have the sample fleet be the best fleet

[elder parcel]

damn

[viscid swift]

because that almost always involves a lot of event limited ships and a tone of expensive gear

it may be the best but you don't need the best for a regular clear

[stark quiver]

id reccomend the fleet i used

[cobalt rapids]

well the best is also provided ( for 15-4 )

[elder parcel]

it already requires limited ships, having different ones or just a few more wouldn't change the scenario that much imo
but i can see what you're saying

[elder parcel]

do you still have it for share?

[viscid swift]

given that Musashi last ran over 2 years ago now

[elder parcel]

implacable isn't that far too and she's there

[viscid swift]

and we're still not even a year past when Guam and Laffey 2 released

[stark quiver]

lemme find it

[viscid swift]

Implacable's slot is a lot less impactful in said fleets so she can be interchanged a lot more easily

[topaz smelt]

Inb4 another Sashi comp

Minor stuff like flame cats go a long way

[elder parcel]

i have 2 flames bisha, one in each fleet
and atenna with flame on subs too

cats aren't perfect, but they're as close as i could get

[cobalt rapids]

give 2nd flame to surface mob fleet

subs dont have ooa

[stark quiver]

these 2 are what i used, swap brest and guam

[cobalt rapids]

u 3 star lethal with these ?

[stark quiver]

oh bruh

[storm heron]

[stark quiver]

anyways......

[forest palm]

[topaz smelt]

I'm more surprised that boss fleet lived

[elder parcel]

i think i'm just gonna replace NJ with Musashi, i don't really see what else i could swap

[storm heron]

is this before sandy augment, eld retro, and shimanto fatesim?

[elder parcel]

oh wait

[stark quiver]

with sandy aug, i didnt even have eld unlocked, forgot if i had fs

[elder parcel]

since when PR6 has fatesim?
oh well, to FS5 they go

[cobalt rapids]

if u have eldr then replace shimanto with her
and swap brest and guam from boss to mob

[elder parcel]

guam is better for mob on 15-3?

[cobalt rapids]

guam is better in either fleets but ur mob needs more oomph

[elder parcel]

ah, mine has brest on mob already

[storm heron]

oomph?

[elder parcel]

ye, i just FS5'ed them

[stark quiver]

more firepower and aa

[tender python]

For opsi should I clear all the enemies in the obscured zones?

[cobalt rapids]

with sushi aql bb nodes are ur biggest(only) threats so try to only fight em on ammo
and u should heal off recon nodes

[cobalt rapids]

clear anything with a shiny icon above

sry i en, just press auto and let it do its job

[topaz smelt]

my NC fleet takes 0ammo BB nodes like a champ

[elder parcel]

[viscid swift]

oh so you got it work did you

[topaz smelt]

No it just takes out every plane in the fight and lives at 1hp

0 ammo BB are cancer cuz they just keep respawning repair ships

[elder parcel]

think i'll bring it down to safe and 3star it
dont want to overthink and overplan, my goal is to reach 15-4 and farm for houston 2

[sinful elk]

Chat what type of armor is the enforcer concelment?

[cobalt rapids]

u can disable fleet lock and check before fight, but its light

[little tree]

Is keiv a better mob dd then z23?

[spring bolt]

slightly, both are not very recommended in end game contents, but both can easily handle farming

[little tree]

Ahh should I not spend the cog chips on keiv then ?

[spring bolt]

cog to 120 is totally fine, array is no imo

[forest palm]

both are FP tech afaik, so you'll have to take them to 120 eventually

wait Kiev is HP Tech 🚮

[keen sable]

yes you should not spend cog chips on kiev

[forest palm]

so ya Z23

[little tree]

Is vanguard and fdg worth the arrays ?

[keen sable]

do you use them?

[topaz smelt]

Shinygud

[little tree]

They are my only ur bb

Unless muashi is better and save the arrays but I'll be using vanguard and fdg for w 14

(Muashi re run soon I pray)

[weary gust]

You'll get enough arrays for Musashi by the time she reruns.

[sinful escarp]

i dont think musashi rerun will be anytime soon to be honest
so you have enough time to gather more by the time she reruns

[topaz smelt]

Isn't Sashi next

[forest palm]

in terms of URs, ya, in terms of event, no

[weary gust]

It doesn't take that long to get enough arrays to 125 a UR. You get what, 9 per day? +some from events, monthly stores? A single month is enough, no?

[forest palm]

Aquilifer's Ballad → Operation Convergence → Violet Tempest

[viscid swift]

yeah but that's still a month

[weary gust]

A month in AL is not very long.

Gotta think of this game like a plant. Water it every day and it'll grow. But it takes time.

[viscid swift]

yes, I have been playing this game for years

my point is this is a very time gated resource, you want to be certain you'll be getting value out of them for such a commitment of resources

because if you don't it's gonna take about another month to build back up your stocks

[neon finch]

question
whos the best British BB (not vanguard)

[forest palm]

there's not many

[weary gust]

... is there another British BB worth being called good?

[viscid swift]

uhh Nelson?

[soft raft]

Like Hood (After augment), Nelson Retro, and Howe ig
Tho they dont fufill the same role Vanguard does

[neon finch]

i figured british is a cv fraction?

[forest palm]

like out of these maybe Monarch, Nelson, or Howe

[viscid swift]

don't think of factions like that