gameplay-help

[turbid dawn]

I do have both, eld isnt 125 yet though

[finite crag]

any specific timing for mog to work

[cobalt rapids]

tbd

[hollow gust]

Oathed CV 17sec rld

[atomic abyss]

if mog is mlb, then sure use her

[finite crag]

no oaths

[hollow gust]

I don't remember the unoathed timings , uhhh it's prob 20s then

[cobalt rapids]

oath is about 7-8 rld worth

u can calc it easy tho

[hollow gust]

Or watch it

Mog needs to latch around the time the torps hit nagato

Too early and nagato moves and you whiff half torps

[finite crag]

how many seconds for the cv to blow their load then

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I was trying mog with a BB fleet but her dmg wasn’t that high

[hollow gust]

She isn't supposed to do damage

Also BBs suck on heavys like usual

You have to Helena it

[cobalt rapids]

22.61 is 17 oath rld on grey's comp, so u should aim for that on gearscreen

[finite crag]

around 22.6 then alright

[hollow gust]

It needs to be exactly 22.6

[finite crag]

and nothing special for mog?

[hollow gust]

She requires towel

[cobalt rapids]

u told me wash treaty and em commands

[finite crag]

fucks a towl

[hollow gust]

Pretty sure I mentioned wash treaty was something ricest was testing

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I never use CV fleets is the problem because I lack Implac+YorkII and it seems every fleet uses one or the other or both. Then when I try to use AVP instead her dmg is just abysmal and isn’t worth running at that point

[hollow gust]

Mb if I didn't , best use this

[cobalt rapids]

the muse event blue aux

[finite crag]

ah that

[hollow gust]

Idk why you are so laser focused on not having those two , there are more then enough alternative comps that work just as well if you get the correct timings

[cobalt rapids]

the best comps rn dont even use implac or yorkii for naga meta

[turbid dawn]

Idk it’s been the case with every single recent meta fight and it’s just frustrating always getting about 90% but never a full kill

[cobalt rapids]

ye well ppl who are posting those non helena oneshots usually have alot of oaths + alot of +13 + alot of tech
but theres always alternatives oneshot comps if u just lack 1 specific ship if u otherwise have the other stuff to back it up

[undone plover]

for BB fleet vs nagato META can ply tank alone?

[lament hazel]

I don't see Slaimuda give me insight about Amagi CV Gear

Anyone can tell me her best loadout

[cobalt rapids]

like all cvs, depends on content

[undone plover]

depends on CV timing and enemy
where will u use her?
and with who?

[cobalt rapids]

i guess u can go 2x1000lb, tenrai, wyvern for general content and by general i mean lvling

[undone plover]

would mog or harbin be better as a third in BB fleet ren? ply, helena, X

[cobalt rapids]

il take harbin, if no unzen or shima

booki could be an option aswell

did u give up on cvs or are u experimenting

[lament hazel]

2x1000lb whut plane

[cobalt rapids]

like seahornet, tigercat or flapjack

tenrai + 2x wyverns/spearfish is also for lvling

[crisp estuary]

[stuck stirrup]

I was thinking about this from yesterday, is this not azure dragon in proto shop? not tortoise

[cobalt rapids]

that is the azur dragon in protoshop

[atomic abyss]

azure dragon is for an shan retro

black tortoise is for tai yuan retro

they look similar but are unfortunately not interchangeable

[rapid grail]

campaign - generic fighter db tb Loadout
opsi antimedium and heavy - la-9 or Tenrai - two converging TBs, adjust as needed

[cobalt rapids]

this is clearly a tortoise

[stuck stirrup]

Oh, he wanted tortoise

[atomic abyss]

an shan, is unfortunately (still) limited

[boreal wagon]

*tai yuan

[stuck stirrup]

My bad, i got it mixed up because i thought he was asking for azure dragon and i was looking at shop this morning and was like wait a sec

[atomic abyss]

an shan the ship i mean

[boreal wagon]

oh ic

[atomic abyss]

[forest palm]

genbu is a Snake, and a Tortoise

[atomic abyss]

the only limited ship that still hasnt become permanent after more than 3 years

[boreal wagon]

at least she reruns almost every year ig

[lament hazel]

Can't make Tenrais 😭

[atomic abyss]

just use helldiver then

[sharp socket]

its safe to +13 the conv tb planes right

[wind hazel]

yus

[undone plover]

not all of them
and if u are trying to be efficient you can find out what your eventual comp will use most of the time
or +13 a mix of them

[onyx salmon]

Does retrofit count towards tech pts?

[atomic abyss]

/fleettech

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: How do I get more fleet technology points?
You get fleet tech points by:

1. Collecting the ship (~20%)
2. Max Limit Breaking it (~45%)
3. Achieving level 120 (~35%)

-Higher rarity ships gives more fleet tech pts .
-Heavier ship hulls also gives more fleet tech pts: CV=BB>CA>CL>DD

Side notes:
-PR ships give more fleet tech pts than normal but follow the above formula with development 30 replacing MLB.
-META ships are considered a separate META faction. They give same bonuses as their non-META versions.
-Collab ships, Muse and little versions of ships e.g. Li'l Sandy, Clevelad and Lena etc do not give any fleet tech pts.
-Iron Blood faction ships receive double the normal tech points compared to other nations.

For more information and exact amounts, consult the wiki

[versed sentinel]

which guns i should prioritize crafting in gear lab?

[frank pulsar]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[frank pulsar]

open in browser or download to read the text

[lament hazel]

Skypirate XTB2D-1 vs XSB3C-1

[cobalt rapids]

neither

[versed sentinel]

[atomic abyss]

stick with purple helldivers if you lack tenrais

[frank pulsar]

use barracuda, breguet or wyvern
skypirate isnt worth it
as for the experimental helldiver just use purple version, it basically the same thing

[lament hazel]

db tb loadout?

[still nest]

Is it worth it to run full Ryza team on opsi or any other content?

[cobalt rapids]

no

[atomic abyss]

on any tough content no

anything works for opsi mobbing outside strongholds
same with stuff up to w12

[still nest]

I see, I'm having trouble doing opsi especially that 200ap node

[atomic abyss]

200 ap nodes are strongholds

you will want a stronger mob fleet

and then maybe a boss fleet too

[versed sentinel]

this is helping me a lot already thanks a lot but i have a question idk if its a dumb one but

[lament hazel]

Rate me this mamagi

(Stolen Hakuryuu's Tenrai)

[frank pulsar]

just ask

[versed sentinel]

for this gun it says 2-3 is enough right, but it doesnt say anything about how much i need for the others

how do i decide on how much i want to make

[frank pulsar]

never use bow, always scepter
as for the rest of the gear im confused on whether its for campaign or for bossing

[frank pulsar]

wdym by others

[lament hazel]

ok

[atomic abyss]

you make other gears as you need them
if you dont need them, dont craft them

[lament hazel]

General use only, but I dunno which Mamagi shines more

as anti boss or as anti mob

[versed sentinel]

every other gun except this one

[lament hazel]

Ouch... Can't make any...

[atomic abyss]

time to play opsi

[versed sentinel]

these for example

[atomic abyss]

you make other gears as you need them
if you dont need them, dont craft them

[frank pulsar]

general use youd use a parallel torp over a converging one
but thatll suck on boss
also, she works in both so you just gear according to what you need

[lament hazel]

Hmmm

[versed sentinel]

aight

[frank pulsar]

typical bossing setup is tenrai + double converging torp iirc for amagi
idr what plane types her first and second slot allows

[sharp socket]

CA wont contribute much damage output unless you have the ones that do (hindenburg, unzen) so gold gearlab upgrades for CA gun are just very low prio

[lament hazel]

How's this then

[atomic abyss]

amagi is the only one with 2 flex slots

[frank pulsar]

uh if youre mobbing sure i guess

[lament hazel]

Ok thx

[versed sentinel]

[lament hazel]

Yeah usually CV = Mobs for me...(Since I sneak a Unicorn Heal inside)

BB is for bosses

[zenith heron]

There would be a time that you'll face bosses that is more into CV comps, but time will tell for you

[sharp socket]

should i keep volga in my opsi mob (already have uni) or swap her out for indep, aim to auto stronghold

[tropic tusk]

y not use uni then

[atomic abyss]

stagger is better for mobbing

[zenith heron]

He has it alr

[atomic abyss]

stronghold bosses sometimes have convert heal to dmg, so more heals =/= better

[inner delta]

just kill

[tropic tusk]

oh

[sharp socket]

oh alr

[atomic abyss]

just go in on damage

[sharp socket]

ill just put indep then

[inner delta]

like literally if your fleet is good doesn't matter who is there indep or volga

[sharp socket]

my frontline has ancho taiyuan laffey

when i get ply raised i can shift sandy from bb fleet to replace laffey in mob

[zenith heron]

Would prefer any buffer than Sandy, unless Plane intercept

[undone plover]

try using wyverns and bf109 for stronghold clears

[sharp socket]

not flapjack for fighter?

[plain saffron]

you don't need the AA and bf have more single target dmg

[sharp socket]

then indep wont have her EU gear buff

[analog swallow]

opsi fleet

[rain bobcat]

is this the 3 strike setup

[tropic tusk]

isnt that blue thing only for W use?

[rain bobcat]

huh

[sharp socket]

i assume its for timing?

[rain bobcat]

yes flap is slowest out of the 3 1000lb

[forest palm]

for what content

[rain bobcat]

meta mainly but also harbiter

[forest palm]

if the timing all lines up, 3 strikes should be easy to do

[rain bobcat]

3 generally better than trying to fill up saiuns and do 4 right

[forest palm]

sometimes trying to squeeze out the 4th strike can make the difference, but for Arbiter, eh...

[lone knoll]

eldridge retro is a must for newish accounts? she looks way to op to pass on

[frank pulsar]

shes nowhere near op wdym

[lone knoll]

she makes your vanguard invincible every 20s

makes my vanguard ehp 1.33x or something like that

[frank pulsar]

thats not going to save your backline from dying
in campaign your backline dies way more often than your vanguard
anyway theres also the cost to take note of

[steep estuary]

One question guys what is the best substitution for Tenrai?

[frank pulsar]

purple helldiver

[lone knoll]

oh okay, until now only my front ships die, especially in opSi

[reef flume]

SB2C helldiver

[steep estuary]

I see alright thank you guys

[viral flicker]

Help needed

[crimson glacier]

remove BB add carrier

[steep estuary]

Is there a reason to use purple ones?

[frank pulsar]

use a better tank then
if you're already using a good tank maybe level up more or use better equips

[frank pulsar]

its better than the yellow options so why not
higher rarity doesnt mean its better

[lone knoll]

I only have portland, i have very few ships, shes 120 with gold washing machine and heal kit

[frank pulsar]

hows she dying

[steep estuary]

I see, I have no idea how to compare them hahahahha

[frank pulsar]

unless its arbiter she should be enough

[lone knoll]

idk man : ( maybe im doing little damage with my backline..? idk

[lone knoll]

maybe it is arbiter, i think yeah

[reef flume]

They are significally better than most dive bombers. There is also the Gold version of helldiver from gearlab which is better only at +13 and it's otherwise identical, but it's not really worthwile

[lone knoll]

im stuck on a mission on campaign, i can do only like 1/3 of the boss health

[steep estuary]

I see thanks for the info

[sharp socket]

would you mind taking a screenshot of what you're fighting

[lone knoll]

sure 1 sec

[frank pulsar]

whats your backline

[sharp socket]

cause i dunno if you're doing arbiter or something else that is killing your front

[sharp socket]

file coordinate?

[lone knoll]

my backline is dogship, i need to change out unicorn, but until I dont have a good 2nd fleet I wont

need 40 more

[sharp socket]

or is that practice arby

[frank pulsar]

how is that not wiping the floor with story mode
is your gear +0 or bad or smth

[wind hazel]

looks like stronghold?

[wind hazel]

oh

[sharp socket]

thats not stronghold

[wind hazel]

make more fleet

[lone knoll]

I can show gear, all of them have maxed skills and decent gear, i check the guides all the time

so until I have more fleets im locked out rip

[frank pulsar]

make thread if youre gonna do that

im pretty sure that enforcer is like light or med, he guns should be fine

[whole crypt]

squid is DD light

[quick notch]

When will Violet Tempest blooming event return?

[shell willow]

no confirmed date, roughly in 1-4 months

[quick notch]

Appreciated

[undone plover]

unclear
next rerun is roma event
in the original release there is also brunhilde event then musashi event will follow

so 3rd rerun should be musashi unless they rerun stuff out of order or skip events

[torn latch]

Roma isn't going to get war archive next patch?

[undone plover]

it is a rerun not archive

[torn latch]

I remember I got Roma before I retired from the game two years ago, or maybe I mistaken it with another pizza event

[undone plover]

yeah she already had the original run 2 years ago but she hasn rerun yet
events have og release > rerun > then archive finally

[torn latch]

Oh lol, so I'm not hallucinating

How Shimakaze got rerun first before Roma lol wtf

Oh even Ulrich event as well

[boreal wagon]

because they were chronologically before it?

[shell willow]

shimakaze is like 4 years old or something

[undone plover]

shima og run was Sep 21
roma og run was July 22
check the dates

[shell willow]

ok 3

[frank pulsar]

i started during roma event

[torn latch]

Yeah maybe I just mistaken a lot of stuff because of long retirement, because what I remember was I quit from the game some times after Shinano out, and I already got Roma before that

My memory about this is probably wrong

[crisp wadi]

shou and bis oath skin released next week right ? There's MT for that ?

[torn latch]

Should be

Standard 6h maint

[undone plover]

that was probably shinano's rerun
shinano rerun was 2 weeks before roma event

when is the ally barrage coming for the META fight? anyone done the math ?

[turbid dawn]

So I was testing JintsuuM, are the anti-sub torps just better or is it just RNG that she out damaged Unzen?

[undone plover]

maybe she is syncing better to BZ/soyuz?
or just had a good roll?
is this consistent or just a one off?
could be position dependent as well

[dusk maple]

also, maybe she got to fire her extra two launches from the lethal dmg taken skill

[turbid dawn]

It's a mix tbh, they seem very neck and neck most times after a few more tries. I'm surprised Jintsuu has this amount of damage, and yeah I was just gonna say she always gets the death skill proc too

[tardy shadow]

hi, can someone tell me if there is a musashi rerun this year?

[undone plover]

another thing is I think unzen is not getting buffed by her skill since unzen is probably firing sooner here

[undone plover]

possible. no one can tell u for sure

[atomic abyss]

No announcement, we dont know
Could be this year, could be next
All we know is that she's the next UR due for a rerun

[tardy shadow]

okay thx

[turbid dawn]

Actually yeah she has a tiny bit faster launch speed, I'll try swappign their torps next time and see how it goes

I forget it isnt perma buff like normal Jintsuu

[undone plover]

is TRP dmg scaling on hit or on launch

[atomic abyss]

hit usually

[crisp wadi]

cmiiw , there'll be another new UR this year right ? Around December ?

[frank pulsar]

shld be yea

[atomic abyss]

that's what's expected

[half plover]

do you usually buy them out? I bought out all the good dorm food already so I might want to get those too if they are worth it

[wind hazel]

i do because i have excess medals

[undone plover]

if u have the medals and bought everything else worth getting sure

[plain saffron]

hiei is BB/BC right?

[wind hazel]

BC yea

[plain saffron]

thanks

[crisp wadi]

Does it still worth to focus pr4 after I unlock all the ship and their FS ? I have only 1 tenrai

[atomic abyss]

if the 1 tenrai came from protocore, i would advise sticking there unless you're super far away from the first research tenrai

[crisp wadi]

I still can buy tenrai from protocore for 30 pieces iirc. And I have 15 pieces now

[atomic abyss]

wait till you get the last 5 pieces, focusing on equip research (the ones that cost upgrade parts)

then move on to pr5

you may also want to take agir researches if you dont have enough for her inevitable fs5 yet

[crisp wadi]

I alrd have 2 plygun and ply is d30 alrd, I still need to stay for pr5 ? And harbin's FS is done too

[atomic abyss]

oh, then move to PR7 afterwards

and consider throwing all your gold PR6 BP to shimanto in PR6

[torn latch]

Oh, maybe my memory was wrong because I actually retired after some events after Shinano rerun, not after Shinano's first run lol

Now it make sense

[crisp wadi]

Why 7 tho ? My Kear and hinden still low dev. And haven't unlock hinden gun too

[atomic abyss]

Because Napoli and Nakhimov are much higher priority

So is the LA-9

Kear is especially pointless if you lack Yorktown2

[crisp wadi]

Ok, I alrd unlock them. So I just need farm the blueprint. Thx for the advice

[atomic abyss]

Hinden is one of the best frontline DPS sure but, she still needs dev 30 anyways

Nakhimov is currently the best DPS carrier, and Napoli is the best tank

[crisp wadi]

Yeah mine is like d8

[undone plover]

pr6 also getting catchup in january
doing it now before the catchup makes it kinda pointless

[half plover]

so pr4 DRs and pr5 PRs will be coinable, pr6 gets catchup?

[reef flume]

Haku and Agir coinable when

[undone plover]

assuming previous pattern holds then yeah

[half plover]

I will finish agir and haku before anyway but pr5 coinable will be nice

[reef flume]

If they would put pr5 drs coinable aswell it would be even better

So that it doesn't take an eternity to finish Ply and Brest

(especially Ply)

[half plover]

at least pr5 has good gear that makes it worth staying there for a long time

[reef flume]

Rn I am sticking to pr4 for Ancho, Agir and Haku

[crisp wadi]

Also , who's better I focus at 7 ? Nyakhimov or Napoli ?

[atomic abyss]

nakh

[undone plover]

nakhi overall
there are a lot of tanks

[atomic abyss]

napoli already is competitive with agir even before d30

[reef flume]

Imo:
Whoever you like the most

Waifu game>

[atomic abyss]

[rocky fjord]

while true, the implied q is metawise

[reef flume]

(don't take me seriously)

[atomic abyss]

Do remember this is #gameplay-help not #al-general

[plain saffron]

thanks for reminding me

[reef yarrow]

so is musashi getting a rerun on her banner or am I missing something?

[half plover]

she will but maybe not this year anymore

[reef yarrow]

ahhh

[plain saffron]

she's rerunning on her banner but her banner is not close

[reef yarrow]

lmaooo I know that wasnt the best way of phrasing but ok

[reef flume]

Prob november or later this year

[bright tusk]

Is sext bofors +10 still better for ingraham than +13 113mm?

[reef yarrow]

nice, thank you

[atomic abyss]

yes, gap between sextuple and roomba is quite substantial

...let this be a lesson not to randomly +13 gear

[undone plover]

some ppl still +13 roomba tbh since it can be useful when range is a concern
it is not a complete waste of plates

[spring bolt]

imo ingraham AA slot isn't good enough to justify the smaller range on sext unless you manual

[amber condor]

Not sure where to ask this but I have questions about the prices displayed for different items. From what I read on the google page that 99% of developers on google play are eligible for a commission or service fee of 15% or less. However when comparing the displayed in-game price with what I actually would have to pay the commission varied greatly (all the way from 9% to 40%). Clearly this shows that the game must be eligible for a 15% commission or less so I wonder why some items have a much higher commission or if the displayed in-game prices are not accurate.

[whole crypt]

ingraham's AAGE is pretty good but her AA stat isn't quite there

[plain saffron]

15% only for participate in different programs offered by Google Play, and 1st mil of the year, and game makes more than 1 mil per year
also afaik ingame price not that accurate yeah

that's why i use codashop or something else instead

[atomic abyss]

That's what the staff have said regarding regional pricing

As far as i'm aware, the prices shown in game are in USD

so it has a lot of finnicky issues when converting

[amber condor]

I see thanks, maybe the displayed prices could be updated to give the user a more accurate idea of what has to be paid though

[amber condor]

well unfortunately many items are not available there

[zenith locust]

Hello, anyone knows when is going to be the next UR event?

[plain saffron]

yeah

new ones? december most likely

[zenith locust]

k thx

[eager mulch]

[wind oxide]

is the kearsarge skin gonna come out next batch?

[atomic abyss]

What kearsage skin?

this one?

not rerunning for EN yet

[wind oxide]

yea?

[plain saffron]

it's old skin

[atomic abyss]

it's not a new skin

those will likely come back with black friday

[vernal edge]

Is it worth making this one in gear lab?

I have triple magtorp

[atomic abyss]

its for ancho/harbin smoke timing

[vernal edge]

Well, yes for ancho

[wind oxide]

that long? damn

[wind hazel]

just craft it, no need to make on gearlab. surely you have the blueprints laying around

[vernal edge]

only for blue double

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

there's a blue twin and purple triple

[vernal edge]

Event for it is not archived, right?

[plain saffron]

raid type doesn't yeah

[hot warren]

hello which ship should I research first?

[plain saffron]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research#development_order

give this a read, should have all info you need

[vernal edge]

Wiki says can get in research, is it just gear lab or i legit can roll research project for bps?

[plain saffron]

you can get drops from research yeah

[vernal edge]

Is it from project like these? Random T2 blueprint?

[haughty current]

Hi. Big noob here anyone here willing to guide me about do's and don't's and how to get good gear :((

[soft raft]

tech crates are your freind, dont grind campaign for gear
Also give this a read if you havent already https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[hot warren]

ohhh this guide is very useful there

[haughty current]

Tysm

[hot warren]

last time I was here it doesnt appear

is it new?

[hot warren]

thank you it helped much

[plain saffron]

depends on when was last time, i think like less than a year?

[hot warren]

maybe 2 months

[nova crane]

hello, is there any way to get lots of oil quickly?

lmaooo

btw if i played on the IOS servers, and i wanna switch to global on my pc will the data transfer?

[nova crane]

i mean in game methods, f2p just any tips

[crimson glacier]

i dont think theres any game that has ios server lol

[plain saffron]

AL CN does

[plain saffron]

for EN android and iOS use same server, there's no PC version

[vernal edge]

Emulator emulates whatever platform you choose there

[nova crane]

yeye i mean like on the IOS version the server im in is in chinese, i wanna switch to english server, will that transfer data?

[crimson glacier]

no

[soft raft]

nope

each different server (even within the same region) is essentialy a new save file

[hot warren]

if I have enough tech for Anchorage while not for FdG, so should I....

[plain saffron]

to EN nope, ios CN to android CN is possible

[hot warren]

research Anchorage?

[plain saffron]

yes

[hot warren]

thank you

[crimson glacier]

if CN has its own ios server then how does the transfer work

[nova crane]

nooo so im essentially either stuck on chinese or restarting

[crimson glacier]

yes

[nova crane]

welp only level 54 commander level so thats not that bad

[crimson glacier]

why did you start on cn anyway if you prefer english

[nova crane]

it didnt give me an option to go to english

[plain saffron]

they added a feature to transfer few years ago

i don't remember which CN anni

[inner delta]

cn/global/jp have their own application you download, you choose your own not them giving option for language

[nova crane]

ye i downloaded from the app store so i didnt have a choice to choose global

[crimson glacier]

i guess you have like chinese play store or something

[hollow gust]

Why do you even have the Chinese AppStore

[kindred kite]

what should i be using gems for, i unlocked 5 dorm slots and all the tactical class. and bought all the lvl up packs in shop for the exp books

[soft raft]

if you were a F2P, you should've stopped at 3 dorm slots and the 2nd floor of dorm before going full send on dock space

[shell willow]

should have asked before doing that

[soft raft]

and god why did you get all of the tatical class slots.....
even if you did the 💳 for that..... Yeesh

[kindred kite]

really, impulsive

is it a bad thing?

[whole crypt]

well free gems are rather limited and you spent a lot on stuff you don't really need

[kindred kite]

i should've asked

[whole crypt]

then you just wasted money

[soft raft]

ok that makes it slightly less cringe, but still a big yikes

[kindred kite]

i should've went with the guide, saying dont watch youtube people. literally everyone i watched had them unlocked

[plain saffron]

well they're not f2p or new player

[whole crypt]

because youtubers who post shit tend to be whales

[kindred kite]

well alas, back to original question. what do i spend gems on

[whole crypt]

dock space, 2/F of dorm at this point

[kindred kite]

ty ty

where should i get dock space at?

[nova crane]

I’m in Singapore

[whole crypt]

Singapore doesn't default to CN appstore so

[spring bolt]

for non f2p, dorm and tactical classroom spots are fine
for dock space, usually 700-750 would be enough for 100% collection but i personally got 900
rest you can start buying rings and skins

[eager mulch]

did you censor your oil gold and gems

[plain saffron]

after all sara's skins

wdym, your oil doesn't look like that?

[kindred kite]

@spring bolt thank you that was the question i was asking

[eager mulch]

my oil is only 2 digits and i am round

[plain saffron]

hi round

[eager mulch]

proud*

[soft raft]

nah I just took that image from the wiki lol

[kindred kite]

do you need to get 100 percent completeness in hard mode?

or just cheese for 3 stars

[plain saffron]

3 stars, 100 if you want to farm that stage

[kindred kite]

is there a hard mode stage you want to farm?

[nova crane]

Oh wait I just checked it’s under Hong Kong wtf

[glass quest]

Is Amagi (CV) boss or mob oriented

[soft raft]

highest world you can cuz higher world = more core data per run

X-1 for DD prints
X-2 for CA/CL prints
X-3 for BB/BC prints
X-4 for CV/CVL prints

[abstract latch]

What does 2nd dorm floor do?

[soft raft]

she can do both equally well

[soft raft]

faster morale regen at the tradeoff of no XP gain

[abstract latch]

Is it a different slot? Like xp on 1st and morale on 2nd?

[crisp current]

What's currently the strongest HE BB comp and AP BB comp?

[soft raft]

1st floor has morale regen and XP gain
2nd floor has more morale regen and no XP gain

[soft raft]

Take your pick of any 3 out of BisZwei, Vanguard, Soyuz, and Alsace (Possibly Musashi too if it's anti-med/heavy)

And you just switch the guns to fit the enemy armor type

[glass quest]

does anyone have a loadout for amagi cv?

[eager mulch]

i do but it might not be good for you

this is what i cooked

[muted wind]

did you also burn down the kitchen /s

[abstract latch]

Ahh ok ty

[eager mulch]

wdym, spearfish are good

[crisp current]

No Soyuz, with bizwei and alsace would vanguard still be better than uvh?

For he at least*

[abstract latch]

Btw did they increase the drop rate for amagicv? I've been getting quite alot of her

[muted wind]

my impression has always been that spearfish are only good when you don't want AA (that is, using a wyvern instead) or converging torpedoes. which is... nowhere as far as i'm concerned

[soft raft]

Vanguard's buff utility is alot more useful than UvH's off flag reload gimmick

[eager mulch]

I’d take spearfish over wyverns in W15

[viscid swift]

I would be inclined to say the same

[crisp current]

So the "vanguard bad cause no big numbah" crowd is wrong I see

[viscid swift]

always has been

[eager mulch]

vanguard bad because british

[soft raft]

because they're only looking at her damage output
which isnt the main focus of her kit

[forest palm]

would fog not mess with Spearfish Rockets targeting

[muted wind]

it's not a huge difference in surface dps afaik, and also they're more expensive, so it doesn't seem worth the investment to me

[crisp current]

replacing NJ is hard tho, swimsuit skin too good

[whole crypt]

the solution is to not look at the screen

[viscid swift]

dps isnt the point here, it's wave clearing for which the spearfish is superior

[sweet delta]

But is it?

[viscid swift]

it's rockets allow it to kill stuff better and get at stuff on the edges which the torpedos can't usually

[eager mulch]

i too love measuring dps on things that potentially overkill and launch every 20s

[crisp current]

How about CV comps vs heavy and vs light?

[elfin hollow]

what is prefered amagiCV loadout?

[viscid swift]

the spearfish doesn't do anything there really

[soft raft]

heavily depends on what content you're doing

[viscid swift]

it's pretty much a mobbing and campaign thing like the Wyvern

[eager mulch]

#gameplay-help message what im using rn

[muted wind]

that's... the thing i doubt. the rockets aren't particularly strong and it's still a huge resource investment. but if you say so, sure. i think i'd still rather have the AA though

[elfin hollow]

Hmm anything other than campaign

[half plover]

no main weapon? haha

[viscid swift]

the investment is another matter entirely and it's why it isn't really reccomended

[eager mulch]

Too lazy to equip her slot 1

[elfin hollow]

missing one slot

[muted wind]

clearly, empty slot = probably faster reload

[eager mulch]

#gameplay-help message

[sweet delta]

It's not that the rockets aren't strong, it's that they're overkilling what bombs already hit

[viscid swift]

but, it's performance is certainly there

[elfin hollow]

I see, well anything other than UR gear?

[whole crypt]

at least campaign I'd have a better answer, if it's not campaign you change based on what you fight

[elfin hollow]

What would it be for campaign then

[eager mulch]

i got the azurlanedle in 2 today I obviously know what im doing

[muted wind]

is there like actual data on how well it performs compared to the wyvern? i can imagine that it's better for waveclearing, but i also can't imagine that the difference is gonna make or break your fleet

[whole crypt]

campaign you can just braindead flapjack/tenrai/wyvern

[elfin hollow]

alright thank you

[normal frost]

How can you tell what armour type an enemy is?

[eager mulch]

wiki

[whole crypt]

usually by hull class

[normal frost]

So which ones are which?

[whole crypt]

DD/CL light
CA/CV/BC med
BB heavy

[sweet delta]

I've done 10+ runs in 15 lethal and the main fleet HP remaining were very slightly in favor of wyvern, within margin of error but I certainly wouldn't say spearfish changes waves because it doesn't

[normal frost]

Ty

[viscid swift]

what was the set up exactly

[whole crypt]

there are exceptions but those are generally it

[muted wind]

to add, this is not all enemies. if the enemy is playable also, it will match the playable ship's armor

[sweet delta]

Musashi Aquila unicorn and tried spearfish on both carriers one at a time

[viscid swift]

you didn't do a run with all Spearfishes?

[sweet delta]

+13 spearfish vs +10 wyvern so the torps do equal damage

That just sounds like a disaster

[still nest]

What kind of torpedo? Torpedo Bomber or Torpedo of DDs?

[whole crypt]

DD

[viscid swift]

torp stat

[whole crypt]

torp bombers are AVI

yes late campaign TRP stat reqs are a pain in the ass

[still nest]

Yo how do i increase my trp?

[sweet delta]

Get rid of SF or Helena

[viscid swift]

use ships with higher torp stat, use more ships with torp stat, use auxes that give torp stat, etc

[whole crypt]

enhance if not finished enhancing
use ships with higher TRP
worst case use oxytorp to pad

[still nest]

SF?

[viscid swift]

San Fransisco

[whole crypt]

San Francisco

[still nest]

Huh who's my tank then?

[whole crypt]

use something else that has TRP stats

[ocean pilot]

salvo and shelling is the same? i read fdg skill (sonata of chaos) and try to mixmatch with triple 406 mk7 desc and others BB gun

[whole crypt]

if you don't have something that can tank and uses torps then replace Helena instead

[still nest]

😭

[muted wind]

judging by how much TRP it's missing, you might need to replace 2 ships without torpedoes

[viscid swift]

salvo is every time she fires her main guns

[sweet delta]

That's volley
Salvo is every time the full BB button gets pressed by you or auto

[viscid swift]

yeah that's what I meant

volley is every individual shot in a salvo

[whole crypt]

yeh you basically won't make 2.4k without 4 ships with TRP stat

[ocean pilot]

so quicker to reload is better in theory?

[viscid swift]

no

[whole crypt]

Ayanami and Yuudachi are going to be around 600 each, so that's only halfway there

[muted wind]

you could also equip more oxygen torpedo auxiliaries

[sweet delta]

And Sirius not much, so it's looking like 5 torp ships

[south sequoia]

Only for specific timing set ups otherwise unless there is a ten second gun with extremely high damage that will not be the case

[muted wind]

which isn't usually good advice, but what else are you gonna do

[whole crypt]

might help if you replace Musashi with one of those IJN BBs with trp stat

[vivid veldt]

is it fine to burn all the loser rares and elites events give that i don't care about, like Ayase

[ocean pilot]

like sync with another ships skill / buff?

[south sequoia]

Yes

Ships like plymouth and helena

Vanguard

Timing and syncing matters

To maximize output in harder content

[viscid swift]

you can, I would be loathe to dispose of good tech ships though so my recc is as always to buy more dock space

[whole crypt]

but the shitters this time are just shit

[muted wind]

but ayase gives TRP

[viscid swift]

I could consider torp stat half decent tech

unlike HP, AA, and ASW

[soft raft]

Welp that's another tech to add to my list

[muted wind]

just max out all tech

[whole crypt]

easier to just level everything

[night crow]

Are meta ships not buffed by faction buffs? Like is Béarn Meta buffed by an Iris libre faction buff ?

[viscid swift]

it's more about which to prioritize

[soft raft]

META ships are part of their own sepreate META faction so no

[viscid swift]

at the rate I'll still be working on useful vanguard tech by the time I finish leveling all main fleets

[muted wind]

... i mean, that's to be expected anyways, there are more vanguard than main fleet ships. and the main fleet gets more exp

[whole crypt]

sounds normal

there's just more vanguards and main fleet gains XP faster

[muted wind]

i've been done with all main fleet tech for a while (excluding times when new ships are added) but there is no end in sight to maxing out vanguard ships

[viscid swift]

to this extent though is a bit ridiculous, I have 27 main fleets total left to level with or without tech, I have 36 torp vanguards left to level alone not even accounting for hit and reload tech

[sweet delta]

im in the same boat as Potter pfp

[whole crypt]

just waiting for Hiei to max then back to that same place

[viscid swift]

hey I'm new, cut me some slack

[whole crypt]

which is probably the next few days

[versed sentinel]

where can i get these two from?

[stuck stirrup]

iris libre tech boxes from shop generate blue gear you can craft up, but idk why you would want those...

[vale spindle]

iris gear packs which are in medal shop and sometimes in merit or normal shop too

[atomic abyss]

crafting champy

[stuck stirrup]

ah, right, i forgot it goes up to champ, thought gold jean gun was the last

[versed sentinel]

ok thanks

[vale spindle]

the purple gun there is gear lab only, iris pack only have blue gear

[still nest]

Pew, barely made it to requirements

Btw can I ping you? @vale spindle

I hope you update the guide

[atomic abyss]

[vale spindle]

you can but i am busy so i cant guarantee a response

[atomic abyss]

idk why it was updated to begin with

the old one was fine

[vale spindle]

cause im now a pr4 focus non believer

[atomic abyss]

wait till jan

[viscid swift]

I'm not quite yet

[atomic abyss]

or at least december

[viscid swift]

gear overall from PR4 is just too valuable and there's not enough prototype cores to relieve it of that distinction

[atomic abyss]

you changed it in July

[still nest]

To coin drs?

[vale spindle]

theres definitely enough prototype cores if you ignore rainbow gear outside tenrai

[viscid swift]

which I really wouldn't

[vale spindle]

the main issue you could argue is the 20 print / month limit

which is the real bottle neck here

[viscid swift]

it's just stretching yourself too thin and it takes far too long as you say

[vale spindle]

imo just getting anchorage and dipping is fine
if you are pr4 focusing starting now then by the time pr4 focus becomes even less good in the future you are already halfway or more than that done

[low juniper]

What should I use on Amagi for farming D3?

And Shinano too

[vale spindle]

short term "loss" for long term "gain"

[vale spindle]

your typical fighter dive torp loadouts if its just braindead mobbing

[viscid swift]

I question that truth be told

[vale spindle]

convince me within the ecgc server feedback channel then

[viscid swift]

alright

[vale spindle]

or make a comment then link that comment / doc there

[still nest]

So should I focus higher like Pr5 or pr7?

[vale spindle]

just link something there so i remember its related to ecgc feedback

[atomic abyss]

stay with PR4

it's either 4 or 5 - thats the debate here

regardless, 7 should be after both of those

[still nest]

Btw why there's gearlab now? And not deprecate the crafting gear

[atomic abyss]

gearlab is basically the reason to grind operation siren

[still nest]

Opsi is too hard, I should grind more I guess

[left cedar]

where ?
Op.Si is way to easy, its basically 99% time a mob fleet, 1% 1 boss fleet to pew pew Abyss/Arbiter

[atomic abyss]

with the ships you have, opsi outside of abyssals and strongholds and arbiter herself shd be a breeze

even for those, you just need a bit more planning

[left cedar]

Arby its doable even with poverty ships and gear, u just need more time/trys

[eternal basalt]

Normal arby sure

[still nest]

Hmmm maybe I should reform all of my formation, maybe it's just formation issue

I'm cooked

[eternal basalt]

Where is that, arbiter just throw yourself until win

[brazen hornet]

Good morning, how to get PR1 ship past level 9? Free coins greyed out and youtube videos talk about everything but... Thank you!

[soft raft]

PR ships still have the lvl mininums that regular ships have for MLB
so lvl 10, lvl 30(?), and lvl 70 for D10, D20, and D30 respectively

Also avoid Youtube guides to be on the safe side tbh

[brazen hornet]

When I went to dock, it shows research tab and nowhere I could add Bulins. Where do I MLB?

[boreal wagon]

limit breaking for research ships are the dev levels in shipyard

to get past dev level 9 you have to level the ship to ship-level 10, aka use the ship, use books on it etc

[soft raft]

No im not saying that research ships can take bullins

I'm saying that they have lvl mininums for certain dev level thresholds like what regular ships have for limit breaks

You have to get the ship's lvl raised before you can advance

[vale spindle]

To increase their dev level past thresholds their ship level needs to be higher
They match the typical limit break threshold levels that normal ships have

[brazen hornet]

Perfect! Go use the ship! Thanks!

[soft raft]

more like just throw a few XP books at her

[brazen hornet]

Threw some books at her and got her leveled.. thanks!

[elfin hollow]

currently level 62, what would you guys say i should focus on currently? rn trying to farm yuudachi to get a better tank

[atomic abyss]

first, no point farming yuudachi
two, she isnt a tank

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

three, read this
four, focus on the event now

[elfin hollow]

oooo okok

[brazen hornet]

Is the coin discount per day? Don't really want to spend a lot of coin on a PR1 when Anchorage is close to finishing.

[atomic abyss]

yes

[brazen hornet]

Thank you!

[eternal basalt]

Seperate one of PR and DR... resets 4h after regular reset

[elfin hollow]

@atomic abyss would u recommend me buying a sr bb ship for medals?

sorry for ping

[atomic abyss]

which server are you on?

lexington or sandy?

[elfin hollow]

pretty sure sandy

[atomic abyss]

and how close are you to 80 medals?

[elfin hollow]

im at 162

[atomic abyss]

sandy would have 2 SR BB in medal shop right now
lexington would be SR BB and SR CV

so which one

[elfin hollow]

2 sr bb

[atomic abyss]

ah
get hood for one of them

as for the other, none of the others are worth using, so i guess get bismarck or tirpitz, so you'll be closer to unlocking friederich de grosse

[elfin hollow]

i was thinking getting the two iron blood because i think the bbs i have are good?

[atomic abyss]

what BBs do you have?

[atomic abyss]

get hood

[elfin hollow]

okay, would that replace vittorio?

[atomic abyss]

no, she would replace new jersey

that new jersey isnt max limit broken, so she'll perform far worse than VV and Hood

she'll even do worse than most of the blue BBs there

[elfin hollow]

also when it comes to tech boxes, how do i know which one to get from the shop? like sakura, iron, etc

[atomic abyss]

assuming event shop, prioritise eagle

dont use coins to buy them

[elfin hollow]

was gonna use guild coins for one

[atomic abyss]

well if you already bought unicorn, sure ig

and helena

[elfin hollow]

how do i know how to make a good mob killing fleet? i know its important to make 2 fleets one for mob and boss?

[atomic abyss]

well

looks like you have enough ships to make 2 fleets

for now, we'll focus on building 1 fleet though

that's to maximise your limited resources

namely gear and bulins

fleet to be used for now:

Vittorio Venetto, Ticonderoga, Unicorn (prioritise getting her retrofit)
Portland, Laffey, Helena

[elfin hollow]

for retrofits, is there something im suppose to farm to get more of the materials?

[atomic abyss]

campaign hard mode

you're capped to 3 times a day tho

for unicorn, farm the highest chapter campaign hard mode map that ends with -4
so like 4-4H or 3-4H

[atomic abyss]

as for why these ships?

you are required to level and retrofit portland and laffey for your rookie missions, so you need them raised

[elfin hollow]

ahhh

[warm latch]

and unicorn retrofit is the best healer

[elfin hollow]

so would you recommend just upgrading her heal in the academy priority?

[atomic abyss]

after you reach w9, we can consider fleet 2

and yes, level up unicorn skill

[elfin hollow]

w9?

[atomic abyss]

chapter 9 in campaign

you dont have the right ships to form 2 good separate fleets yet

[elfin hollow]

okay, so would you just say make a random second fleet to work with cause i know ill run out of ammo?

[atomic abyss]

when you have UR bulins, throw all of them to Amagi and no one else

no - you can fight battles with 0 ammo

better to have 1 strong fleet fight on 0 ammo, than have a shit second fleet

[elfin hollow]

oaky okay

[elfin hollow]

would you say use the buplins on these charactrers?

[atomic abyss]

any character you use should be max limit broken, so yes, throw them ALL your bulins

[versed sentinel]

do i just retire these 2 extra njs? (i have 1 more extra besides these two)

[soft raft]

if your NJ is already MLB yes

[atomic abyss]

is your main copy max limit broken?

[versed sentinel]

it is

[atomic abyss]

retire them yes

[eager mulch]

keep for flex if you want

[elfin hollow]

what would you rate watarase?

[atomic abyss]

strong - but not worth prioritising gold bulins at the moment for

we will use her for fleet 2 eventually

[elfin hollow]

okay ill lyk when i get to chapter 9

[sweet delta]

she only needs 1 bulin

[elfin hollow]

if i am stuck on a level should i be farming something in particular?

[atomic abyss]

the highest difficulty map you can do

[stone sluice]

When do PR7 started?

[atomic abyss]

july

[elfin hollow]

should i just not focus on gear, and put whatever gear i have on the main fleet?

[atomic abyss]

you shouldnt grind for gear on maps anyways

[sweet delta]

it's important to put good poverty gear instead of bad poverty gear as the whatever gear

[elfin hollow]

hmmm okok

[wary timber]

So where would Hiei Meta be in terms of the tierlist ?

[sweet delta]

high not top gold BB

[wary timber]

Any estimations on where she would be around

[atomic abyss]

low t1 or t2

hood still better is the tldr really

[wary timber]

Interesting ...

[sweet delta]

hood may be slightly better at mob at most, and hiei is far better at boss

[tall reef]

Are any of them worth leveling up?

I need a low cost oil farming fleet

[stark quiver]

use ranger and mahan class at lvl 70 and 0 lb

[remote yarrow]

Why do you need a low cost oil fleet?

Or what do you need it for

If it's for campaign just use a single full fleet

[tall reef]

The fleet I use costs about 25 oil, and I don't have any good vanguard ships uploaded. I was thinking about farming with a low cost fleet while leveling up other useful ships

[remote yarrow]

What content are you doing?

Cuz then again you don't need to or rather shouldn't be low costing campaign

Just use the recommended starter fleet in the newbie guide, there you have a solid vanguard up until W9

[eager mulch]

just in general

[sweet delta]

that's a 0LB level 70 phoenix

[eager mulch]

[tall reef]

The problem lies in farming, isn't 25 oil very costly?

[sweet delta]

using more ships gives more commander exp

[remote yarrow]

I told you twice, don't worry about oil cost

Just use a full fleet

[tall reef]

[soft raft]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[remote yarrow]

Just use the fleet that's in this guide https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips use Hornet or Souryuu as a replacement for Enterprise for now, use Laffey instead of Javelin, she's there to as an example of starter DD

Retro Unicorn > Portland > Laffey

[tall reef]

I'll do that, thanks for the help

[keen sable]

That's not the problem. The problem is you get no xp if you low cost. Are you sure you can afford to make NO xp?

[tropic tusk]

how can i build a team for this?

[stark quiver]

use your best ships then just grab some from your guild mates

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

[reef flume]

Make sure to check their gears tho

They might have great gears but bad gears aswell

[tropic tusk]

they mostly full equip but i will check anyway

[remote yarrow]

The boss is Heavy armor btw

I would use NJ/UvH + 2 support BBs, Support Ply, Helena, Hindenburg

And reset for Scans until kill if needed

[undone plover]

U can also use subs for it
Make sure u put 3 subs

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

[tropic tusk]

oh didnt know u can do that

[signal pollen]

for opsi, should I explore every place at least once or just grind c5 over and over?

[remote yarrow]

Explore everything > Clear Hidden,Siren and Strongholds zones > Dailies and C5 Spam

And ofc Arbiter whenever you get enough adapts

[haughty dust]

Is there a way in game to sort ships that are PR/DR ships from the rest? If so I have not figured it out.

[eager mulch]

nop

[remote yarrow]

Nope, PR/SR and UR/DRs get filtered together

[haughty dust]

It would be a nice feature to have and easier to keep track of them if they ever add it.

[spring bolt]

that filter is only available in collection, can't use it in dock

[signal pollen]

all dailies?

[spring bolt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research_Academy
there is a queue button after you start the research

[eager mulch]

guys i swear i saw a question about how do you queue research or has the amagi-chan brainrot progressed that far

[spring bolt]

there was, or im as brainrot as you

[eager mulch]

i got the AzurLanedle in 2 so im hoping its not the brainrot

[gaunt dagger]

Is there an operation siren guide?

Also is enterprise better than hood in flagship?

[coarse heron]

Enterprise doesn’t need flagship so just pick your highest HP ship since if flag sinks you lose instantly

This advice will change if you have ships that need flag

[eager mulch]

enterprise doesnt need flagship, hood has a barrage that is position dependent which makes her really want flag

[wary robin]

Is it worth to use nakhimov at d25 ?

[gaunt dagger]

Oh ok

Is Nelson better than hood then

[hollow gust]

No

[coarse heron]

Generally only tanks can be used at Dev25, main fleet especially need Dev30

[half plover]

I've been corpse dragging all day so I might just ask before trying out again. Will cheshire at lvl 81 main tank better than a level 105 retro shropshire?

at 12-4

[stone gull]

what's the best way to level up my units from around lvl 30-at least 70-80? I just finished chapter 8 and I'm hoping to change up my fleets

[half plover]

or what level does she want kinda to main tank that stage

[half plover]

definitely OPSI C1

[undone plover]

dorm and xp books

[half plover]

it is super easy to use underleveled and bad ships there

[viscid swift]

one question, if you're consistently having one ship die on you in 12-4 why aren't your dropping down to 12-1

[half plover]

coins really

[viscid swift]

trust me when I say the difference isn't that big

[half plover]

but it wasn't constantly, yesterday I ran 12-4 with the same ships and formation and it worked but today I cant

[viscid swift]

also, what gear are you using

[light trail]

the biggest difference in rewards from 12-1 and 12-4 is the amount of ships that drop, i've found. everything else is pretty similar

[undone plover]

around level 90-95 she should be fine I think on 12-4
is your backline properly staggered?

[half plover]

I changed second aux to eva aux on chesh and shroph

[half plover]

backliine is yamashiro, amagi cv and shinano

[viscid swift]

what gear, what levels, etc

[half plover]

yamashiro just levels but amagi is 115, shinano 90 and they use good gear

[undone plover]

do they send their strikes together? or are they spaced out?

[half plover]

I think it is that they dont really deal damage at 0 ammo

no idea why they managed to beat these stages before but rn it seems they always die

and my vanguard just dies

[light trail]

get uni and retro her to remove this issue

[viscid swift]

one, 0 ammo with a properly set up fleet shouldn't make or break things, and if they were geared well it definitely shouldn't be happening

[half plover]

but yeah probably not the best

[viscid swift]

the issue here isn't the ships, it's the gear

I rather suspect your ships aren't staggered well

[half plover]

oh

[undone plover]

most probably yeah
these should survive in my experience

[viscid swift]

that means your wave clearing isn't efficient meaning fights last longer and your vanguard takes more damage

[half plover]

does amagi run boss gear

maybe I accidentally swapped it somehow and that is why it doesnt work

[viscid swift]

that also wouldn't exactly be helping

[undone plover]

the fighter and TB isnt ideal

[half plover]

yeah I hope it will work now

I think I accidentally gave shinano the light armor planes and she isnt as high leveled yet

[undone plover]

check the strike timings on your backline

u want them to launch sth like this 18 sec yamashiro (with radar), amagi 20s shinano 22 seconds

[viscid swift]

let me give you an example, I could throw a +13 457 and Fire Control radar here in Indiana for my current leveling fleet but that would make things worse not better

[half plover]

like this?

or other radar?

[viscid swift]

because as is Sao Martihno fires first and all 6 of her volleys land before Indiana fires her first salvo, if I gave Indiana a 457 her and Sao Martihno's first salvo would overlap

[half plover]

oh I see

[viscid swift]

pay attention to your cooldowns and stagger them accordingly

throwing on better gear as a whole also helps

[half plover]

yeah 12-1 was really braindead farming so I think I need to think about 12-4 a bit more if I want to level there instead

[undone plover]

what boss fleet are u using incidentally?

[half plover]

mostly ships I want to level

[undone plover]

I see fair enough
well you are trying to push it which is fine but farming in 12-1 is better than corpse dragging 12-4
u can try better gear, more level or stagger properly
see if that helps

could also replace one vanguard with a stronger one that also needs levelling

[half plover]

yeah I think it will be fine anyway when chesh gains a few levels but I was just so confused why it didn't work again

does 12-4 give more chips than 12-1 tho? or is it only a matter between chapters

[viscid swift]

12-1 gives the same number of chips as 12-4

[half plover]

so at some point I want to level at 13-1

but no idea how big the chip diff is

[forest palm]

1:1 13-1 cog chip farming

[viscid swift]

once you're out of main fleets to level sure

[half plover]

is 13-1 that bad to level or do you mean I need high/max level ships already

[light trail]

is there a bonus for clearing every opsi area or can u stop at 50 for the shops

[light trail]

not worth the effort is what i always hear here

[viscid swift]

13-1 unless you're running a better than average fleet will need Unicorn

[half plover]

I see

[viscid swift]

and it's far more difficult to drag low level ships through

[half plover]

what about if I get a lot of ships to 100-110 on ch12 and use them further on 13

or is that too much effort

[viscid swift]

that would require some precise timing in terms of when stuff reaches what level and if you're using bad enough ships you may still need Unicorn

[half plover]

I see, ty

[viscid swift]

also, once you get further into the grind, you simply will not be able to afford to uncap ships beyond level 100 for some time

[half plover]

yeah that is why I think about chapter13 anyway

for better chip income

[light trail]

what about this btw

[viscid swift]

even with that better chip income, you're still not earning enough to regularly keep 6 ships uncapped and moving up levels to be able to tackle 13-1 consistently si what I'm saying

heck, I barely get enough to just keep up with vanguards

[forest palm]

thing is if you want to chip farm you forgo xp efficiency, and gold efficiency

[half plover]

so when that happens I could use unicorn anyway and dont have to bother about that I see

sry wrong reply

[viscid swift]

no but explorable nodes are better than secured nodes for loot still

[half plover]

I mean if chips will be so harsh it might be already good to level at chapter13 with uni already instead of waiting until I reach cap

[viscid swift]

you could but that would be sacking one slot for main fleet XP

and yes, while you will be done with main fleets long before vanguards, that's not to say finishing main fleets will be quick, not enough anyway for me to consider perma slotting Unicorn in a farming slot to be worthwhile

[half plover]

is there any fleet that can efficiently 1:1 13-1 tho?

[viscid swift]

yes

but you're sacking any XP gains for it

[half plover]

I mean that is probably way too much minmaxing but just theoretically one could farm exp in opsi c1 all day and keep up with chip income from 13-1 1:1

[viscid swift]

I say this as someone who farms B1 for events, that sounds like hell

[forest palm]

major issue with farming C1, no affection gain

[undone plover]

the chips u get from farming are really minor
stay in 12-4 for now

[half plover]

but do ships really need affection? otherwise if they are important u could just gain affection from like 115-120 or 120-125?

I mean "all ships" not ships in general

[undone plover]

finish main fleet RLD and ACC for now
u will get enough chips for that unless u uncap stuff indiscriminately

[half plover]

since good ships might get affection anyway

[viscid swift]

3% stat buff is still 3% stat buff, also, you're gonna be sacking your coin income either way doing that

[half plover]

yeah true

[forest palm]

the real brain off moment of tech farming

[grizzled wave]

is there a cat officer guide?

[eager mulch]

maybe doing /cats in #bot-spam might yield something

[normal frost]

How do people do the getting xp for ships in the combat research so fast? Is there a best level for it? Or is there other ways to get xp counted towards that?

[eager mulch]

playing a lot of 12-4

[normal frost]

Oh ok, I'll try that

[undone plover]

also use 3 ships that fit the criteria not only 1 or 2

[eager mulch]

only 3

we go all in in this household

[forest palm]

get that 3 mil in a day

[eager mulch]

ez

i couldn’t do it in my sleep

because macros are illegal

[urban spruce]

Which should I put on Ägir, they look about equal to me other than Bofors having Hit, I've seen the Bofors alot in ppls loadouts so I assume it's good but idk

[stark quiver]

staag ngl

[coarse heron]

They're both Bofors

[forest palm]

the STAAG is mostly prioritized for main fleet use on CVLs, and BB, particular vanguards don't mind using the STAAG, but Agir isn't one of them

[urban spruce]

Kay

[urban spruce]

Damn, I guess my eyes skipped over the other one having that in its name TwT

[forest palm]

a lot of AA guns are made by Bofors

[viscid swift]

well if we wanna get real technical, they're all the same 40mm gun designed by Bofors but in different mounts

[forest palm]

standardized barrel size

[keen sable]

D3 and 12+

[eager mulch]

im not like the other bofors

[agile sky]

what other skins are like the carnival musashi skin where they got that..."extra" stuff?

[eager mulch]

any l2d skins after shima wonderland skin iirc

[haughty dust]

Is this weapon worth crafting?

[zenith heron]

For DD's who have CL gun bonuses, (As it is meant for Certain Iron Blood Destroyers)
...

But is a niche CL gun in general. Its good if you have no other alternatives for BB Secondary Gun but would prefer the Triple 155 (3rd year type)

For CL ships' Main gun, triple 152 Mk5 / MLe 1930 is recommended but Triple 155 3rd year if Poverty

[vale spindle]

Its only useful on otto and felix, and ply gun is a direct upgrade to it on them too

so worth on those 2 if no ply gun

[sharp socket]

gearlab update is likely to happen sometime around jan right

[vale spindle]

mayhaps

[viscid swift]

most likely yes

[sharp socket]

other than tenrai any other things thats likely to get added

[stark quiver]

does spearfish take 6 or 9 ords

[sharp socket]

9 ord

[viscid swift]

it's a honestley a shot in the dark besides the PR4 gear

though I will say if the Marco Polo and Twin 90mm gun does get added then they will have to add a Sardenega section to the lab which could be interesting

[mystic topaz]

hmm, when vets are talking about 1:1 levelling, how does that normally work? and which stages are we using them on?
sam's guide only briefly touches on this but doesn't go in depth

[viscid swift]

we don't....

[viscid swift]

note the phrase "if a stage doesn't have an oil cap"

[mystic topaz]

yea, that's where I am

[rocky fjord]

and "if you are farming commander levels"

[mystic topaz]

i'm not farming commander levels tho

[rocky fjord]

1:1 leveling is garbage, 1:1 clearing is plausible

[viscid swift]

where are you in the main campaign and how high are you terms of commander levels

[rocky fjord]

or is it the event B stages

[mystic topaz]

i'm level 90, at 10-2 right now, but costs are quite expensive, just thought i might try to save some oil

[viscid swift]

one, you are in oil capped maps, they start at Chapter 9

[mystic topaz]

the oil cap doesn't start until i fully clear it though

[viscid swift]

no, and really you just have to eat the cost

you can try and save oil while clearing but unless you're absolutely certain you can still clear just fine don't

because if you fail you'll need to start over with a more expensive fleet anyway and thus your attempt at saving oil has you cost you more oil, not to mention time

[rocky fjord]

well you asked how it normally works and what stages it's for
it's for initial clears yeah

[viscid swift]

and another thing, you should be farming the event stages right now, not pushing the main campaign

[rocky fjord]

if you can clear the map till oil cap is unlocked, you can reduce the number of ships below 6, not necessarily 1:1

and yes, event value > W10 value if you havent completed stages and the shop

[mystic topaz]

ah i see, thanks

i reached 66000 points rn, and i figured since the event was gonna end on october 2, i'll just get the majority of points from the x3 dailies and sp, and push main in the meanwhile

[rocky fjord]

pretty reasonable

[viscid swift]

I would consider you done with the event then yes

point about everything else still stands though

[rocky fjord]

cheeky answering everything but the question

[eager mulch]

[mystic topaz]

k thanks guys

yea, didn't mean to, but i just read sam's guide on 1:1 and i figured there was a way to clear with a lower oil cost, maybe my phrasing was a bit off

[viscid swift]

it's done yes

but those are mainly on event stages and with ships that are far stronger than what you have available

not to mention cross fleets from URs doing half the work

[mystic topaz]

ah.. crossfleets, that makes sense

yea, i was wondering, how can one ship carry that hard?

even if it could, it takes forever

[eager mulch]

cheeky do i use ifhe on ipiranga

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't seeing as the commander will be moving up the line and the T9 and 10 have 254s which can pen over 50mm base already

[viscid swift]

well for reference, its usually a 125 Unicorn and DDG

[sharp socket]

will more rld tech screw up my plane timings on low tech

[viscid swift]

no

like I said before, more reload tech will only bring your timings closer together which barring very exception circumstances is a good thing

[undone plover]

u can also adjust it if it does

[sharp socket]

hmm alr
so with that in mind, if my timing works out i can +13 the conv tb planes im using for my specific setup?

[forest palm]

eventually you have like 3 ~ 4 +13 of each of the 4 major TBs

[sharp socket]

well yes but i have only 450+ gold plane plates

[undone plover]

as long as u are not doing 4 of one plane and 0 of another sure

[forest palm]

sure why not

[undone plover]

there are many ways to sync carrier fleets

what does your current one look like?

[sharp socket]

6 (ships) + 15 (cats) rld

[frank pulsar]

30k points good stopping point? i kinda dont have much time to grind so 55k isnt possible

[eager mulch]

up2u

[undone plover]

looks alright but this is haku at level 115

[coarse heron]

30k is generally considered the minimum

Keep in mind there’s still a lot of days left and you can get over 800 points a day still with minimal work

[sharp socket]

still works out with minor change

[undone plover]

yeah should be fine like this
it is a good combo of TB to +13 anyway so should be fine

[sharp socket]

alr ty

[eager mulch]

is this taking avp rld buff into account

[sharp socket]

yes

[undone plover]

it is yeah
nano is 22.6
avp 22.7 and haku 22.8

[sharp socket]

is sea hornet faster or slower than flapjack

[undone plover]

problem is with more rld it will prob mess it up but also u can just move stuff around
having 2x of each TB at +13 is an okay choice

[sharp socket]

this timing is for my highest rld, 21 with cats

[undone plover]

sea hornet is fastest

[undone plover]

yeah but total CV rld is 40 without cats
so it will change in the future

[sharp socket]

max cv rld is 40?

[undone plover]

from fleet tech yes

can get another 40 from ideal cats for 80 total in CM and OpSi

[sharp socket]

it works at 40 rld also

[undone plover]

yeah that is why i said having a mix is ideal
u can just move stuff around

[sharp socket]

just about works at 80 rld also

80 rld sounds insane to me so i dont think ill ever get close

[eager mulch]

cats is half the journey for 80

[sharp socket]

many years of effective playing is the other half

[primal silo]

How many coins would you say is needed to invest in cats?

[eager mulch]

depends how lucky you get

@slow fox what is vorolishov ehp

[sharp socket]

i have to get good base cats first, of which i have just 2

[eager mulch]

thoughts? ( 20.50s, 20.75s, 20.51s)

[viscid swift]

uhhh, for

[eager mulch]

just in general

[plain saffron]

If you don't care just raise 2 gold to lvl30 for opsi cat nodes

[eager mulch]

opsi

[viscid swift]

I don't really see much point for Napoli, Guam would probably be better

[plain saffron]

You spent all money on new plane, not enough money to get better AA

[viscid swift]

also Turtle, how close actually are you to a Dev 30 Nahkimov and La-9

[eager mulch]

yes

[primal silo]

can you point me to cat guide, for one day I have extra coin (never)

[eager mulch]

wait if i dont oath amagi or nyak then its a sync within 0.01s

[eager mulch]

decently far behind because not cubing much and bad uptime due to burnout

[plain saffron]

Do /cats in #bot-spam

[primal silo]

[sharp socket]

is cv fleet bad against enemy with good AA or planes cause they get revealed and die

and the frontline isnt very AA strong aswell

[eager mulch]

frontline has bad aa?

[sharp socket]

sirius kaza ancho/d25 brest

[undone plover]

good enemy AA means your CV do less dmg of course
even more so if revealed since detection and enemy AA go hand in hand

but just because u get revealed vs an enemy doesnt mean CV are worthless in that fight

[coarse heron]

What’s better aux combo for Ägir, washing machine and toolbox or washing machine and camo?

[undone plover]

toolbox
can do washing machine + cosmic kicks/beaver tag in boss fleet (in general)

washing machine + torp bulge in ch14 and ch15

[coarse heron]

Right so beaver tag/heels ideal for boss fleets

Versus toolbox

[undone plover]

in general yes
but the extra speed might be bad in certain fights

[coarse heron]

Yeah I can see which ones

worth it?

[undone plover]

nope
unless u whale
even then it is not worth since cube income is pretty decent

[stark quiver]

No, anything with gems isn’t worth in shops, unless whale

[novel solstice]

If you ever see a cube there for 2k gold, buy that.

[coarse heron]

Got it, bought the cubes.

[slow fox]

123

But there are those within the community that doubt Voroshilov

[plain saffron]

123 HP? 🚮

[slow fox]

we're in atomic units, Nyagami

[plain saffron]

How do i convert it to metric

[slow fox]

Multiply by 14837.255/%Port

[runic bluff]

do you guys do strongholds everytime?

[vale spindle]

Yes

[frank pulsar]

if im doing opsi then yes

yr supposed to kill everything in opsi

[coarse heron]

I work on OpSi whenever I’m out of oil

[novel solstice]

Try to do every symbol on the map in opsi. Then set it to auto-run corrosion 5 zones to eat the rest of your AP.

All of the special stuff is worth doing.

[coarse heron]

Which is often

[runic bluff]

not 6?

[coarse heron]

Just don’t save all the Hidden Zones for the end or you’ll be doing 30+ in a row and you’ll want to commit die