gameplay-help

[lone knoll]

taht's months from now rip

but why do I need to wait that long for yuudachi? isnt she available from ch6? too much of a resource sink?

[tame jungle]

Expensive

[atomic abyss]

she's only worth it once you get her retrofit

and her retrofit is a huge resource sink

[lone knoll]

i was planing on doing it asap

[atomic abyss]

you shouldn't

[late flame]

farmable in 6-4 but you'd want to be able to 1:1 that stage (no oil cap) + buy her retrofit item

[lone knoll]

have it already

[atomic abyss]

because the currency you spend to get her retro item, directly competes with UR bulins

[lone knoll]

rip

I dont have a single ur ship (yet)

[atomic abyss]

doesn't matter

[lone knoll]

yeye I get it

[finite crag]

how long have you been playing for?

[lone knoll]

3 weeks I guess

[atomic abyss]

if you already got the item, might as well get yuudachi then i suppose...

after retrofitting unicorn
and portland
and your starter

[lone knoll]

unicron is 2 golds away

[atomic abyss]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

anyways you may want to consider reading this

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

and this

[lone knoll]

it was there that I saw that yudachi is decent

I follow that website whoever did it is a god

im kinda understanding fleebuilding now

[atomic abyss]

neither of the page i linked says anything about yuudachi though...

[lone knoll]

I do need 12 ships asap right, the thing i dont get is how to tell a good mob vs boss DD

[atomic abyss]

you're looking at it the wrong way really

[lone knoll]

it was that ecgc website somewhere give me a min

[atomic abyss]

you look at ship roles not their hull types

[wind hazel]

fleetbuilding guide maybe? that's considered a bit advanced, when you have really stable ships and wanna expand your options

[lone knoll]

I do get like I need more dps on boss fleets vs mobs

and sustain is king in mob fleets, but take laffey for example. Is she better in mob or boss fleet? her having aoe makes her mob exclusive? are the front ships even important in boss fleets? I feel like bb's carry

The thing I dont get is how to look at a ship kit and be like "shes better in X or Y"

[atomic abyss]

where are you even at campaign wise

[finite crag]

if your vanguard dont live your backline wont deal dmg

[lone knoll]

9-4

[lone knoll]

I get that, but again it goes to show taht vanguard in boss fleets seems more tanky/support oriented no? or am I compleetly wrong

[finite crag]

vanguard also has valuable buffers and even dmg dealers

[lone knoll]

so take laffey for example, is she mob or boss oriented?

[atomic abyss]

9-4 is when you should look into even building a second fleet, not HAVE a second fleet

[atomic abyss]

no preference - she's a DPS

[lone knoll]

yeah that's why im trying to get into fleetbuilding imo the best thing about these games are teamcomps

[finite crag]

and tank, support is an extremely important thiing so idk what youre confused about

[atomic abyss]

you know what, let's see what ships you have first

[lone knoll]

okay I understand, maybe im not a point where vanguard supports matter yet, later im sure they will be more important

should i create a thread? someone helped me earlier today and I have them all there

[vernal edge]

Huge torpedo stat sticks for hard mode reqs

[lone knoll]

wait Im using rares

nvm no im not

working on these 2

[worldly pewter]

we discussed the situation last night in ur thread

[lone knoll]

yeah

[sharp socket]

i was gonna say that

[worldly pewter]

backline wise there shouldn't be a big issue
that is why i suggested going for roon

[lone knoll]

still need 3 more units : (

yeah Im going for roon atm I think

I want german ships

I just need more frontline I think

[atomic abyss]

Frontline is very lacking

[worldly pewter]

go to divergent chessboard
i told u that yesterday

[atomic abyss]

I wouldn't even build a second fleet

[vernal edge]

Well, you may level Kasumi meta or Shigure or Umikaze instead of bothering with Yuudachi or Ayanami, on the other hand... why

[lone knoll]

yeah very, tahts why I was thinking of yuudachi but i guess shes mid on auto

[atomic abyss]

Yuudachi is one of the few torp oriented DD that's strong on auto

[lone knoll]

wait so whos bad on auto, oh ayanami?

[atomic abyss]

Torp oriented ships that do not have mag torpedoes

Ayanami in particular has no damage outside her torps

Yuudachi has decent gun damage and a barrage

[sharp socket]

sometimes the best option if you have no good options is to wait for something good to appear, though the next UR event isnt until for another month

[worldly pewter]

doesn't have aoa ?

[lone knoll]

she has a guaranteed buff right? no more chance buff

[atomic abyss]

Aya aoa is shit lol

It's just a bunch of shells

[vernal edge]

Aya barrage is like 2 dd salvos

[lone knoll]

I can just perma farm 9-1 until aniv comes and MAYBE the free unit is decent (the white one)

[atomic abyss]

Fargo is probably at least decent, but that's on a side note

[lone knoll]

is that the play?

[wind hazel]

nah, push the maps

[atomic abyss]

If you ask me

Push the maps with your main fleet

[lone knoll]

I can push yeah

[wind hazel]

and you should 👍🏼

[worldly pewter]

if u get stuck show gear

[lone knoll]

to like 10-4?

[atomic abyss]

So your fleet with Nelson, Saratoga and l'audi should be levelled in the background the time being

To 12-1

[lone knoll]

12-1 idk if i can do it

[atomic abyss]

You can with enough levels

[lone knoll]

is unicorn retro that big of an upgrade?

[wind hazel]

very

[lone knoll]

is she worth to 125?

[atomic abyss]

She actually launches an airstrike at the start of the battle now

She is probably the most worth to 125

[wind hazel]

eventually yes, but not a priority

[lone knoll]

broken af extra heal

[atomic abyss]

She is literally the best healer in the game post retro

[lone knoll]

azur lane most f2p friendly game ever or what

[worldly pewter]

cracked in so many aspects

[finite crag]

by far, play for a few months and you can comfortably pul on every banner

[worldly pewter]

basically no p2w mechanics

[lone knoll]

ok so i will just push for 12-1 and level 2nd fleet, wait for new DD from aniv ggwp

[atomic abyss]

It doesn't have to be a DD...

[wind hazel]

[lone knoll]

but i think she's a dd no? blue icon

[atomic abyss]

As I said earlier, don't look at ship hull type
Look at ship role

Fargo is a CL

Pittsburgh is a CA

[lone knoll]

Ídc if shes cv or dd im just saying that the free event unit is a dd

[atomic abyss]

Indiana is a BB

[lone knoll]

😿

[atomic abyss]

Fargo is the free one for the shop lol

[lone knoll]

wait we dont know the type yet?

[atomic abyss]

Fargo is a CL

And she is free from the shop

[lone knoll]

nice I need CL's to fill spots in hard mode

[wind hazel]

only DD is Bell, which is an elite, and most likely, like 99% trash

[atomic abyss]

^

[lone knoll]

what are the cahnces fargo is good?

[wind hazel]

even her design is trash

[finite crag]

she'll be at least decent

[lone knoll]

laudacieux is free and she's decent

[finite crag]

thats how all sr are nowadays, painfully mediocre

[atomic abyss]

L'audacieux is the exception, not the rule

[lone knoll]

: , (

[vernal edge]

Fletcher

[atomic abyss]

For all you know, you may get better ships spooking you

[lone knoll]

insane late game gear

[lone knoll]

I hope so, eventually I will summon

[atomic abyss]

But yes, since you're looking to get fdg first

[worldly pewter]

SR not elite
most SRs are very decent from the events

[lone knoll]

I missed the one from the previous event, i was starting out

[atomic abyss]

Audacieux is a step above most

[lone knoll]

was she op or what?

[atomic abyss]

One of the better ones

Maybe top 20

[lone knoll]

unlucky I guess

I'm hoping fargo is broken op since she's a aniv unit

[vernal edge]

"free ship" bar is not as low nowadays as it was back in times of monthly ship giveaway

[chilly birch]

Unlucky? You have her from the screenshots you posted

[lone knoll]

at tthe start of the battle deals 50(100%) of enemy HP

[wind hazel]

huh?

[lone knoll]

the one from the event before, the indomitable event had a free sr that i could not get

[warm phoenix]

are there any sample fleets for W13 hard mode?

[worldly pewter]

jervis or l'audacieux ?

[atomic abyss]

Auda

Turns out her damage is pretty ridiculous in long battles

[lone knoll]

jervis, it was her taht I missed

[worldly pewter]

he missed jervis and he has l'auda

[lone knoll]

do I NEED her fleet buddies or can seh work on a rainbow team(auda)

[chilly birch]

they're both good, l'audacious seems to be better?

[worldly pewter]

i think she is a solo dps

[atomic abyss]

You'd replace l'auda by the time you have a rainbow team

[ionic bramble]

is the new event torps that good? I was looking at ECTL and they put it over rainbow torps

[worldly pewter]

or a ddg

[crimson glacier]

well the rainbow torp was never that good

[lone knoll]

rainbow in like, no afiliation or faction

[wind hazel]

this works 👍🏼

[atomic abyss]

Faction fleets are trash so

[lone knoll]

idk if rainbow applies the same on azur lane my bad

rainbow as if random units (not the same faction)

[atomic abyss]

Faction fleets are trash
But you need synergy regardless
You can have synergy without faction fleets

[lone knoll]

😿

[lone knoll]

Oh... My dream team is full german team 😿

[chilly birch]

That's gonna take time though, both to get the rainbow units and then to get enough bullins to mlb them

[sharp socket]

rainbow/shiny/chromatic/rgb all mean UR

[atomic abyss]

And yeah, that's trash

[lone knoll]

yea mb

[atomic abyss]

German fleets have no way to counter the late game maps because they need AA and carriers

[lone knoll]

so forcing factions is shit

[finite crag]

bingo

[lone knoll]

thats nice

[atomic abyss]

The Germans already have very few carriers, let alone good ones
And have almost no AA boats at all

[worldly pewter]

not necessarily but it will be suboptimal

[lone knoll]

filthy germans

I keep seeing people using russian fleets

[atomic abyss]

That's because we've had a few Russian events

[worldly pewter]

the best faction u can do now are ijn and kms

[atomic abyss]

Mono Russian is arguably worse than the Germans currently

[chilly birch]

they do very very good in what they are good at though

[lone knoll]

Im glad that factions are shit then I can work with what I have then

[atomic abyss]

Yes, that's how you play

[lone knoll]

can u give me an example

[vernal edge]

Getting dunked

[lone knoll]

i want her at all costs

edgy ass ships

[atomic abyss]

[sharp socket]

perma soon allegedly

[wind hazel]

and be disappointed

[worldly pewter]

patience

[wind hazel]

well not really, but yes

[atomic abyss]

Well she's due to being added permanently soon
But soon is maybe 3, maybe 6 months

[lone knoll]

shes SSS tier or what

[sharp socket]

i hear she sucks

[lone knoll]

im pulling her either way

[worldly pewter]

uvh was SSS now maybe S+

[atomic abyss]

She's the middle of the best ships

[crimson glacier]

uvh? tied for the worst UR BB

[wind hazel]

UR ships are all busted. but she's a bit outdated

[atomic abyss]

You shouldn't

[crimson glacier]

has niche but its rarely needed

[atomic abyss]

You have a UR pity

[lone knoll]

yeah not actually pulling I mean the pity

[atomic abyss]

You can exchange her from that

...after you get more important ones

[lone knoll]

oh....

[atomic abyss]

Aka shinano

[lone knoll]

shes a boring fox girl is she THAT good

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[twin elbow]

Yes

[dull berry]

Yes

[lone knoll]

zzzzzz

[sharp socket]

yes

[atomic abyss]

She's basically like top 4 carriers currently

[lone knoll]

Okay...

im at 109 pity It will take some time

The thing is, summoning costs gold.. where the hell am i getting taht much gold

[atomic abyss]

W12

[vernal edge]

You dont rush the perma pity It will come around to you eventually

[lone knoll]

I really need to push campaign uh

[whole crypt]

what chapter are you up to for campaign

[atomic abyss]

9-4

[sharp socket]

9-4

[atomic abyss]

The niizuki go round or fidget spinner boss

[whole crypt]

yes you need to get higher then

[lone knoll]

so basiclly i need top push 12-1, build my 2nd fleet and perma rot on 12-1 until i have a bazilion gold

got it ggwp

[sharp socket]

12-4 is coin but yes

[dull berry]

12-1?

[atomic abyss]

Well 12-1 is where you can exp grind

[sharp socket]

exp

[atomic abyss]

12-4 is where you can coin farm

[whole crypt]

12-1 is okay coin but 12-4 is significantly better

[dull berry]

For coin?

[warm latch]

12-4 is where youd want to get to

[whole crypt]

either way better than 9

[lone knoll]

I will do both I need levels, i dont even know wwhat level the enemies are in world 12

[atomic abyss]

105 onwards iirc

[lone knoll]

110? IM COOKED

[atomic abyss]

Dude you're already at 100

[twin elbow]

105 onwards, 12-4 is I think 115

[lone knoll]

yeah but my ships poop stinky

[vernal edge]

Wasnt 12-4 chokai 120?

[atomic abyss]

They do not

[sharp socket]

12-1 xp
12-4 coin
11-1 highest xp but low coin and no chips
14-4 highest coin but pain

[lone knoll]

not full ur = dog team

[vernal edge]

Or did w12 got nerfed that hard?

[warm latch]

full UR too expensive

[atomic abyss]

Not full UR is beginner/intermediate team

[twin elbow]

Wha

[whole crypt]

you can fight 12-4 with blues and greys as long as properly geared I don't see how bad your fleet can get

[lone knoll]

that's usefull to know, every ch is like taht ? 4 giving gold and 1 giving exp?

[chilly birch]

you're only 3 weeks in, this game rewards patience

[atomic abyss]

Full UR is late/end game team

[lone knoll]

I understand taht, maybe ina year I'll have that idk

[whole crypt]

I use dog teams all the time so I don't see the issue

[atomic abyss]

And frankly

[lone knoll]

this game is fior the long run

[atomic abyss]

Not all URs are the best anyways

[whole crypt]

when you're done leveling the URs you won't keep using them in regular grinds

[atomic abyss]

The best healer is Unicorn (not a rainbow)

[twin elbow]

Case in point, UVH

[whole crypt]

UvH is still better than most if not all SR BBs out there

[lone knoll]

yeah I get that i was just messing, im not expecting any ur's soon

[atomic abyss]

4th best tank is a gold, Anchorage

[whole crypt]

you can beat 12 without issue with anything down to greys as long as properly geared and not severely underleveled

[lone knoll]

I want to beat the game with little invesment, I like to do no pull accounts (cant work in azur lane sadly..)

[sharp socket]

tldr dont judge by rarity

[whole crypt]

you can beat the game with $0 I don't see the issue either

[twin elbow]

Use starters

[lone knoll]

yeah thats gacha 101

[whole crypt]

why would you do no pull accounts besides just as a meme

[lone knoll]

my best ship is laffey i love her : )

[atomic abyss]

People can beat the end game as an f2p so

[lone knoll]

challenge, did it in hsr and dokkan

[whole crypt]

you don't need to spend a single dollar to pull shit in the game though

[lone knoll]

no pull is brutal tho

[whole crypt]

we know, there's already a regular member here who has a no-pull account

[lone knoll]

I guess they do give ou a ton of ships uh

[sharp socket]

the things you spend in AL are skins, and dockspace

[lone knoll]

U thinks its possible to no pull azur lane?

[atomic abyss]

No, you just get tons of gacha currency for free

[whole crypt]

it is

[twin elbow]

It is

[atomic abyss]

It is, but nothing short of a long term player can achieve it

[whole crypt]

it's just really troublesome

[lone knoll]

must be hard af ngl

[vernal edge]

You may be able to do it but it will be ball-bustingly painful since you wont get as much medals with no pulls

[whole crypt]

it's hard if you haven't been playing for at least 3-4 years

[lone knoll]

U NEED event basicly to get by

[lone knoll]

true

[whole crypt]

you don't need events because events don't really give you new ships if you play no-pull

[finite crag]

out of all thats wrong with no pulls the first thing you came up with is medals?

[lone knoll]

yeah I wont do it I just like hoarding summons, when a new stupid broken unit comes out I'll pull

[atomic abyss]

Medals can be farmed so

[narrow wyvern]

Can't you buy event ships?

[sharp socket]

if u like challenges, clear w14 in 6 months

[atomic abyss]

Yes
You basically save up for UR banners

[whole crypt]

each event only has 1 ship in shop and it may or may not even be good

[narrow wyvern]

Say less

[whole crypt]

and it's the same ship as the drop ship from B3/D3 so you don't get anything new

[lone knoll]

but events are like the only source of ships no? I guess u can farm campaign

[whole crypt]

research

[dull berry]

PR research

[twin elbow]

Research Lab

[atomic abyss]

Campaign has ships
War archive has ships
Research is where most of the important permanent ships are

[whole crypt]

also some older event ships get retired to shops

[dull berry]

Meta showdown/Meta from cruise

[lone knoll]

true true, but without fleet tech (from summons) u wont be able to build in research no?

[atomic abyss]

Like... Again, FdG and Anchorage

[whole crypt]

you can get tech without pulling it's just a pain as well

[atomic abyss]

You can farm the required ships from maps, but it is a pain

[lone knoll]

true I forgot that, and guild shop etc

Nvm azur lane shits out ships like its candy

[twin elbow]

Also METAs

[whole crypt]

which is why you need time to work out a no-pull account

there's nothing really special about it

[lone knoll]

yeah I get that, can be a fun side project but seems painfully slow

[vernal edge]

FDG fleet tech can be farmed on maps and shops, mainly war archive stuff

[whole crypt]

like I said, someone else here already has a side account running no-pulls, we know what it's like

[lone knoll]

I would like to see that acc just curious

I cant find anyone doing it on yt

[whole crypt]

no idea how much sam has on that account

[inner delta]

@plain saffron

[lone knoll]

who's sam

[whole crypt]

well there's not much for show for a no-pull account, so not much to make vids of

[sharp socket]

sam is the guide maker guy

[lone knoll]

yeah I guess thats' true, gear is the same for everyone, I guess eventually it just turns into a normal account

ate you guys swimming in gold?

[warm phoenix]

are you supposed to use circle formation for W13 bossfights? I'm taking quite a bit of aviation damage from planes crashing into my main fleet

[twin elbow]

What constitutes as swimming in gold

[whole crypt]

goes up and down, if I've just had to pity a UR I'd be down on coins but after some recovery it's normal to be over 100 or 200k

[lone knoll]

near cap, im always out of gold

[whole crypt]

also goes down whenever I bother to reroll cats

[lone knoll]

100k lmao

[sharp socket]

i have been in debt for 2+ months because of fdg and various PR coining

[twin elbow]

Over 100k is like, the usual amount for me

[worldly pewter]

try the circle
if u are taking the same damage then ur AA is very lacking so just use double line and

[crimson glacier]

i had trouble farming PR ships coz i was hitting the gold hardcap and game wouldnt let me play

[whole crypt]

hard cap is 600k, personally I try to start spending above 200k

[atomic abyss]

If your backline is dying to planes, use circle
If your frontline is dying, double line

So in this case, circle

[lone knoll]

pr coining, I've seen that term in the guide but i dont have a single pr ship with research done... Can i buy blueprints with gold after I finishied it's research?

[twin elbow]

No

[crimson glacier]

you can for old pr ships

[warm phoenix]

@worldly pewter @atomic abyss Sounds good, I'll try that out.

[twin elbow]

For PR 3 and below, you can use coins instead of blueprints

[finite crag]

4

[twin elbow]

Wow

[worldly pewter]

the recommended amount is 10 per rarity
so 3k for the SRs and 7.2k for the URs per day

[atomic abyss]

All Pr1-4 ships except Agir and Hakuryuu can be coined

[lone knoll]

Nice! that counts the german ur lady right, UxC or something like that

[dull berry]

FDG

[lone knoll]

yes fdg

thats good to know

[twin elbow]

Gotcha, thanks FunkyMonkey and Ender

[twin elbow]

Yes

[vernal edge]

Whom to work on after Unicorn, Portland, Independence and Nelson retros? Helena?

[lone knoll]

am curious about helena retrofit aswell

[finite crag]

its low priority because its not as big of a boost as other retros

[lone knoll]

makes sense

[finite crag]

like for independance she needs her retro to not be complete dogshit

[lone knoll]

saratoga and nelson are a big upgrade aswell?

[worldly pewter]

only uni and indep share the same bp type
if u are struggling on the department then port > nelson > indep=sara

[whole crypt]

Saratoga is more useful than Nelson without retrofit so you could push her retrofit back if needed, Unicorn definitely wants the prints first anyway

[lone knoll]

im done with unicorn in like 10 min

san diego would be a good fit for me I think (have no vanguard units) but her retro seems like a huge recourse waste for me, im still preety new

this th biggest think I have not decided on yet

[sharp socket]

sandy is a later investment

[vernal edge]

Enterprise if you dont have her

[lone knoll]

Can i get sandy at a later stage without pulling?

is she a medal unit?

[sharp socket]

enterprise > hood > san diego > illustrious, if you have one of them get the next in line instead of a dupe

[lone knoll]

I have none of them ahahahah

[jaunty vault]

yes

[twin elbow]

Enty it is

[vernal edge]

Sandy is like whatever, golden atlanta until you put how much it was, 150-200k coins in her retro and UR bulin worth of resources for her item?

[sharp socket]

i thought it was 91k for retro and aug

[dull berry]

Best to go Enterprise or Hood

Illustrious is low priority
Sandy is good for later progression and is in medal shop

[warm phoenix]

I tried Circular and Double Line for the W13-1 Boss just now and Double Line performed way better. Is it possible that RNG can be extremely swingy here?

[lone knoll]

enty it is then

[viral flicker]

Someone send link to Shimano build

[jaunty vault]

if double line is better for you then it is better for you

[lone knoll]

double line?

[sharp socket]

you do need 20 gold cruiser retro mats, 3 SR bulin on top of MLB and 2k spec core though

[jaunty vault]

battle formation

answering to Aki

[viral flicker]

? And best way to get cubes except weekly and commission

[lone knoll]

I have never used that function

this?=

[jaunty vault]

you should try tinkering with it

[warm phoenix]

Hm, alright then

[sharp socket]

switch it to double line and dont touch it again

[jaunty vault]

yes

[lone knoll]

I should i have no idea what it does

[viral flicker]

Am I getting ignored?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[worldly pewter]

sandy's worthiness to build got pushed up by her unique aug i think
can delay the retro

[twin elbow]

Those are, kinda it

[vernal edge]

59500 coins for her retro tree

[viral flicker]

Sed life

[sharp socket]

shimanto or shinano

[lone knoll]

it's already double line no? or u mean the cross

[vernal edge]

Still a coinsink and a half

[viral flicker]

Mbb shinano

[worldly pewter]

sinano's build is dependent on the content and her fleet

[whole crypt]

the thing is you kind of have to focus on doing type of prints at a time because you have to pick a stage to keep grinding for your daily HM

[viral flicker]

Just give the most basic one

[whole crypt]

if your bottleneck is prints then unless you have a better BB option I'd go for Nelson retrofit first

[lone knoll]

Prints? retrofit mats?

[lone knoll]

before unicorn?

[twin elbow]

SB2C Helldiver for divebomber

[whole crypt]

after Unicorn

[lone knoll]

I will go for nelson right after unicorn ye

[lone knoll]

I only have 1 bb I need nelson

can someone explain this, what is the best "overall"

[viral flicker]

So u mean this tsundere is good

[whole crypt]

if you're not sure just use double line

[viral flicker]

No aux? Or anything?

[whole crypt]

circle wouldn't be a real concern until ch13 anyway

[lone knoll]

broken gear

[dull berry]

Yes, she is good

[worldly pewter]

avi aux

[warm latch]

do you have enough bulins to MLB her?

[twin elbow]

You think of that

Like steam catapults or something

[chilly birch]

We've had a few new BCs recently. How do Alvitr and Strasbourg rank when just looking at BCs?

[lone knoll]

gold is so aids ealry

[atomic abyss]

alvitr meh, strasbourg below hood

[dull berry]

Either double steam catapult or one gold steam catapult and one homing beacon

[warm latch]

this is why early fleets dont use gold ships

[lone knoll]

bulians should have separate dock space imo they just cluster it up

[atomic abyss]

or you could just use them

[lone knoll]

arent they really limited or wtv

[worldly pewter]

if u have a good management skill i think u won't have much of a problem

[twin elbow]

If you hate Bulins, you could retire them for medals

[lone knoll]

i dont want to waste them

[atomic abyss]

UR ones yes
gold ones are only limited early on

[vernal edge]

They are weekly commodity

[lone knoll]

ill just use them on my main 12 ships for now

also keeping in gifts is so op

[atomic abyss]

more like your main 6

[lone knoll]

someone told me to not claim it good guy

[atomic abyss]

you don't even have 12 ships for 2 fleets

[lone knoll]

I have 9 (?) need 3 more

[finite crag]

wdym gifts?

[atomic abyss]

mail

[lone knoll]

mail

[finite crag]

just claim it all its stored in a seprate storage

[lone knoll]

even bulkians?

[twin elbow]

Mail storage exists now

[finite crag]

not bulins

[atomic abyss]

for oil and gold
but you don't really get bulins in mail

[lone knoll]

btw what are these crytic mails I get, seems random

[worldly pewter]

push campaign wait for anni
the best u can do for now
even if u start roon now u won't be able to get her until 1 week later

[lone knoll]

she just gives me random shit for doing nothing

[jaunty vault]

nah you're clicking akashi you perv

[whole crypt]

probably https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Akashi's_Shop#Akashi's_Gifts

[lone knoll]

I will I will thank you all for the help

[lone knoll]

what the sigma

[twin elbow]

The cat paws

Oh

[dull berry]

Touching Akashi in the shop

[lone knoll]

so if i touch her she gives me stuff?

[dull berry]

Did you

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

None of that please

[twin elbow]

I will go touch her now

[lone knoll]

just like uncle paul!

[jaunty vault]

its limited

[whole crypt]

once you get all those items you don't get any more

[lone knoll]

oh rip

[atomic abyss]

anyways

[lone knoll]

sorry

[atomic abyss]

no off topic/reaction gifs here yes

[lone knoll]

yes yes my bad it wont happen again

[ember totem]

[vernal edge]

Which ship should i look out for in a merit shop?

[worldly pewter]

u37

[vernal edge]

Dont i get her in war archives?

[worldly pewter]

get the boots and jda from there

[zenith heron]

Quick question, what stat is considered Crit Rate and Dmg? Either if its from an equipment or the ships stats...

[whole crypt]

isn't albacore in merit as well ifyou want to build fishpack instead

[jaunty vault]

yes

[whole crypt]

but generally you don't really look out for much in merit shop

[worldly pewter]

fish is flasher gated i think

[jaunty vault]

ACC/HIT and LCK affects crit rate(but not by a lot)
crit dmg is fixed at 150% which can be changed by skills

[vernal edge]

Well, i am building kms tech to unlock FDG so Z2x and U-37 i guess? But who else

[twin elbow]

Oh yea, what planes do I use for Hakuryuu, at the moment I have 1 Tenrai and 1 Saiun Kai and a Ryusei

[jaunty vault]

depends on what you're using her for her

[worldly pewter]

play divergent chessboard

subs barely give tech

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Shops#Merit_Shop whole selection is here

[twin elbow]

Boss fleet

[whole crypt]

you're not going to find a lot of KMS tech in merit shop

[vernal edge]

Already picked up pretty much everything from it, only Z35 is left

[worldly pewter]

can u filter ur dock on kms ?

[vernal edge]

[whole crypt]

fleet tech guide exists

[vernal edge]

Ah wait, its not Z24. Are they same value or not?

[worldly pewter]

[jaunty vault]

say you were using her for fighting a light/med armour boss then your build would be something like hvarcat or BF-109G or the new rocket fighter plane from PR7/ skyraider or tenrai/ any converging torp bomber

this is assuming there's a slow/stop support in the fleet

[whole crypt]

both 24 and 28

[jaunty vault]

for heavy armour, youd use another converging torp bomber instead of fighter and tenrai instead of skyraider

[vernal edge]

I missed Scharnhorst apparently

[twin elbow]

I see I see

[jaunty vault]

now these comps could again change depending on specific timings or bosses

[worldly pewter]

many elites aren't mlb + no roon

[twin elbow]

I’ll note these down, thanks Cooper

[whole crypt]

how far are you from unlocking FdG

[vernal edge]

392

[whole crypt]

392 now or 392 more

[vernal edge]

392\630

[whole crypt]

238 isn't that bad

just get LBing, if you have BB on medal shop pick up Bismarck or Tirpitz

[vernal edge]

Gnei\Scharn\Hipper - thats like ~200 on mlb

[whole crypt]

Alvitr MLB is already 72

[worldly pewter]

yeah it should be very easily doable
couple mlb and u are done

[ionic bramble]

what is the difference between these 2

[whole crypt]

the little round icon indicates time fuse guns which are a separate AA mechanic and can't be used by vanguards
just don't make it

[half plover]

do you buy blueprints out of the medal shop?

[atomic abyss]

what blueprints

[half plover]

it seems a bit expensive

the DR/PR series6

[atomic abyss]

retro BPs aren't worth
get PR BPs if you need it

[half plover]

alr

[undone plover]

Prioritize the DR BP first

[half skiff]

what does one need to do as a guild member?

[atomic abyss]

do your daily guild logistiscs, do your guild ops

anything else, ask your guildmaster

[vernal edge]

Spend guild coins on dock slots

[worldly pewter]

someone told me to do the pr first i wonder who it was

[sinful escarp]

buy the things in guild shop which resets every 3 days

[plain saffron]

3 donation per day, do weekly mission, participate guild ops 2 per month

and buy guild tech for yourself

[sinful escarp]

tbh guild is just another way to get more dock, gear slots, coin and oil storage, and more gold plates because of the guild ops

and best of all the cat box discount

[plain saffron]

is it just me or in META assist all boss always have full HP?

[atomic abyss]

not just you

[plain saffron]

[jaunty vault]

they're supposed to have full HP

[whole crypt]

only your own fights adjust for remaining HP

[crisp estuary]

[plain saffron]

can someone assist same player twice? assuming the player request assist twice by waiting 30m

[grizzled sundial]

yes

[half skiff]

at what chapter can i begin to expect reliably getting gold retrofit plans?

[whole crypt]

you can assist the same player more than once but you can assist the same fight once

[flint arrow]

anyone has a setup for arizona meta? my fleeet deals so little damage 👀

[grizzled sundial]

isn't there an auto-solve button but cost oil and time and required you do battle at least 1 time ? For meta fight and not the current global boss

[plain saffron]

as long as the dmg is above 0 yes

[vernal edge]

Above ch3. Just do the highest you can do, bigger core data gains anyways

[balmy matrix]

Do the barrages that scales with level, also scales the dmg% ? For example lv 5 barrage deals 50% damage of the initial 100%

[patent pivot]

They have a damage attribute that increases, it isnt a % thing

[orchid tulip]

hello, what is this? a friend has some sort of bugged/ not loaded chibi sprite. Is it my game that is corrupted or a known bug? 1st time seeing it

[viral flicker]

Is this good

[plain saffron]

barrages are a "gun", when you increase the skill lvl the "gun" is upgraded, so wether the bullet is gets upgraded mods or the gun have increased dmg or both. but it increase in dmg

gun or plane

the scaling is not linear or same for all, some even change bullet type

[atomic abyss]

Only on 2 specific ships iirc
Otto and Felix

[viral flicker]

Okkk

So now is this ok

[plain saffron]

say you host a boss
then someone assist you and finish
does it update your boss page HP immediately?

[sturdy badger]

Ey, quick question: How many times recommended to use coins when leveling up DR ship?

[dawn crater]

Does anyone actually use these

[plain saffron]

10, 15 kinda expensive

[sturdy badger]

Does 10 including the free ones?

[plain saffron]

yes

[sturdy badger]

So, 2 free + 8 times using coins.

[fresh hamlet]

how should i build my sandy

[whole crypt]

off the top of my head it can update without you leaving the screen or going into a fight, but will need to test to be sure, I don't usually request assists so memory's a bit hazy

[dawn crater]

Put more AA on sandy and clear the skies👌

[atomic abyss]

Yes you need to leave the screen or go I to a fight

[fresh hamlet]

point taken

[viral flicker]

?

[whole crypt]

well I can test in like 2.5 hours

[plain saffron]

torp could be better

[atomic abyss]

Could do better with the torps but yeah otherwise

[atomic abyss]

One of the rainbow DD guns
Quad Mag torps
Sextuple bofors or rainbow 57mm
Toolbox + rudder
Unique augment

[balmy matrix]

Ok in case of Hood's augment barrage in barrage datamine, what level is this? Or am I just misunderstand things?

[atomic abyss]

Max

[plain saffron]

datamine or that page always assume max lvl

because lvl other than that is irrelevant since you always max lvl skill

[fresh hamlet]

don't have any rainbows atm but ill try

[atomic abyss]

Then the gold twin 128 or twin 135

[fresh hamlet]

currently using roombas as her AA

[atomic abyss]

That's fine

[crisp estuary]

[plain saffron]

i tested in dossier and it update immediately, idk about normal since they prob don't work exactly the same

[solid robin]

can I slap agir with this?

[wind hazel]

it updates immediately

👍🏼 you can trust me, i spam support 24/7

[velvet zealot]

Hello, I need help on World 15-4, I just barely managed a first time clear with this fleet, are there any better options for this stage (I am on little enterprise server for context so I do not have access to some of the older meta ships)

[soft raft]

technicallyy yes but that would break part of one of her skills so no

[solid robin]

what about hinden?

[soft raft]

yes

[solid robin]

oof, gotcha

[viral flicker]

@soft raft

[soft raft]

those Torps and AA gun are kinda sus but otherwise it's decent enough

[supple verge]

whats the general consensus for the pr7 gear? are they worth farming or not and if so which ones are good to farm for?

[whole crypt]

La-9 is great but good luck farming rainbow gear

[whole crypt]

having made the gun I don't really see much use out of Mod.A for now unless it somehow fits a very specific timing

[forest palm]

almost like there's no use for a 457 type gun outside of 2 specific maps

[whole crypt]

Musashi does fine with purple 410 for those 2 maps

in fact it covers her weak anti-light for those 2 maps

[forest palm]

but, ya safe to say PR7 guns uesless, and the Planes are good enough

[viral flicker]

@soft raft say what can I use

[cloud fractal]

So the only new UR is a retro?

[whole crypt]

unsurprisingly yes

[atomic abyss]

Very unsurprisingly yeah

Wait for JP anni

[cloud fractal]

Do they make the new retro available in the pool in its base form?

[soft raft]

german quad mag and american quad bofors/italian twin bofors

[atomic abyss]

What

Eldridge is from merit shop

[whole crypt]

Eldridge is permanently in merit shop

[boreal wagon]

eldridge isnt added to the pool at all you just have to already have her or buy her from merit

[atomic abyss]

She's been there since day 1

[south gull]

do event ships usually come in one banner or are we getting a lot of banners for anniversary?

[cloud fractal]

That’s why I’m asking. I know I’ve seen her rotate through, but I haven’t picked her up yet.

[atomic abyss]

Just your luck lol

[atomic abyss]

Event banners are always a single banner
But we are also getting a separate wishing well banner, which allows you to rate up ships from the permanent pool

[soft raft]

(which i wouldnt really reccomend for new players)

[atomic abyss]

Save for le UR banner

[south gull]

what is that? and I don't really have any ships beside starter and guild newby recommendations

[boreal wagon]

ender is recommending you to save your cubes for the event in September because it will have an Ultra Rare ship
(instead of caring about the wishing well mentioned)

[atomic abyss]

And that's perfectly fine

[vernal edge]

Wait - Joanne CAN be in a wishing well, right? Was it in the previous one?

[atomic abyss]

Joanne?

Jeanne? Joffre?

[soft raft]

JdA

[late flame]

jeanne d'arc?

[vernal edge]

Yes

[whole crypt]

you can pick her in light pool WW yes

[atomic abyss]

Jda has been in perma banner for ages now

[vernal edge]

Havent played AL for ages either, so might as well tag her while doing 1 daily

[frank pulsar]

since your boss fleet looks weak im assuming youre using fleet 1 for first and third boss?

cuz in that case you might as well go all in and make fleet 1 stronger and just put weaker ship in fleet 2
personally i just ran soyuz, perseus and indep just for crossfleet for fleet 2 because i could get away with it

swap volga and painleve, also ideally youd drop both agir and mainz for ship like brest/ancho and a ship with decent aa like ply or smth

also, hows your gear looking

[velvet zealot]

Fleet 1 was my mob fleet, Fleet 2 was boss fleet (Fight boss 1 and 3)

[frank pulsar]

ah that explains it, if youre going for that youll need to distrubute your aa ships instead of putting them all in mob

[velvet zealot]

As for gear, give me a sec, while take some time posting the screenshots

[frank pulsar]

uh wait if youre gonna post a lot of pics at once we should move to a thread

[velvet zealot]

Sorry new to this thread thing, where should I move to?

[frank pulsar]

dragon falcon 15-4 help

anyone have renhex fleetbuilder link
i lost it

[alpine grail]

Hi I'm a new player and was just wondering if I could get a bit of help setting up a starting fleet so I know what ships to focus on as I'm a little lost at the moment?

[shell willow]

https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[frank pulsar]

ty

[keen sable]

Pennsylvania, Unicorn, someone, Portland, Helena, Laffey/other starter. Anyone you don't have, buy them from Guild Shop.

[alpine grail]

I'm not at the stage I can farm Unicorn but I'll look into getting the other ships, thank you

[vernal edge]

You can get unicorn from the guild shop

[alpine grail]

Ah I see that's very helpful thank you

[soft raft]

give this a read too https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[frank pulsar]

whats the best intercept gun for w15 again? i only rmb 155 kai and twin 137 being good

not everybody has the luxury of using ply gun on bb

[keen sable]

155 > 155 kai so you know...

[silver lintel]

twin 137 then 155

but plygun is still best cos can catch 2 bote

[alpine grail]

Thank you I absolutely will

[shell willow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gt_GVB12YlYY1UVCPRpXtZn-ilmAlU3MS5y4qh_VBL4/edit?gid=1711333027#gid=1711333027 this is from suchi

[frank pulsar]

i didnt know his tierlist included intercept guns

[shell willow]

[frank pulsar]

sandy bug fixed yet?

[crimson glacier]

whats the bug

[frank pulsar]

her aug barrage doesnt proc as often as it supposed to or smth like that
i just need to know if mog gun is still her bis or not

[whole crypt]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1255208554575695903 this one probably

[frank pulsar]

im just gonna assume mog gun still bis

[whole crypt]

well you only get 1 mog gun anyway so it's just a matter whether anyone wants the gun more

[silk sphinx]

Can someone just tell me what was said about new game modes or dorm, aka excluding the new ships/event stuff?

[spring bolt]

tldr:
SoonTM

[plain saffron]

momotalk like BA, TB simulation but Oceana instead, dorm3d stay tuned

[whole crypt]

the announcements were all just Coming Soon™️ besides the event?

[plain saffron]

so far what i know about 3d dorm is there will be furniture, skins, uhh gift? i forgot. but those are old, since devs said they changing things

[silk sphinx]

Neato, thanks

[finite crag]

Oh so theres actually a 3d dorm coming

[plain saffron]

we don't know when it's coming

[finite crag]

Never said we did

[silk sphinx]

Several new games have 3D dorm, guess it’s a thing now

[plain saffron]

well we know it is coming it was mentioned multiple times for the past few months

[finite crag]

New fad to chase

[plain saffron]

with allegedly original release date was on CN anni

[vernal edge]

If i have 5 dorm slots, is it worth it to unlock 3rd academy slot?

[plain saffron]

that's why we have Private Quarters on download screen

[spring bolt]

looks like manjuu warming up for it's new game

[civic crag]

YES

[civic crag]

Finally I can enjoy my 5000 gem dorm even more

[plain saffron]

it's separate

[finite crag]

Well thats pretty cool

Maybe ill get to see it before i die of old age

[plain saffron]

latest news we know is there will be close testing in CN

[little tree]

How many agir BP will this give om avrg?

[viscid swift]

at least 4

[little tree]

Should I do it since I need BP for her?

[jaunty vault]

sure

[plain saffron]

when start someone assist your META boss, are the starting dmg fixed or based on boss HP?

is it 20% of max hp

my bad, 2%?

[little tree]

I just got tech points for Anchorage should I stop developing avp to start anroage or finish avp first.

[undone plover]

If u have a kms farming backline already stick with AvP

[jaunty glade]

this isn't necessarily gameplay, but do previous anni skins typically return during the following one? i.e., can I buy 5th anni skins during the 6th?

[undone plover]

and prepare a USS frontline for anchor

[sweet epoch]

is there a list for the new PR7 Gears that anyone has

[shell willow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research_Academy scroll down to ~middle

[sweet epoch]

thank you

[civic crag]

I forgot omg thanks for reminding I thought it was vanguard cause I just finished agir

[keen sable]

...5 weeks later

[whole crypt]

I still can't see myself using Mod.A on anything

[forest palm]

only usable gear out of PR7 is LA-9 and Mod VIT

[jaunty glade]

You can only do 3 hard mode missions a week?

[forest palm]

it's a daily reset

[vernal edge]

A day?

[jaunty glade]

ohh kk

[little tree]

Restart game if says 0/3 still

[keen sable]

that is what they did last year and that's all you're going to get until patch notes I think.

[civic crag]

Is sandy augment really good

[atomic abyss]

Yes, basically pushes her dps to the top of CL DPS

[civic crag]

Is there a vanguard healer

[undone plover]

none that matter

[jaunty glade]

thanks, just curious about historical here

[civic crag]

Which ship

[hollow gust]

Are there vanguards that heal ? Yes
Are there vanguard that can replace backline healers ? No

[civic crag]

Nah but like I’m doing a full backline for iron blood to grind AVP and I’m lazy to level my other iron blood backliners that I’ll never use again so I was just wondering

[undone plover]

if u are farming in chapter 12 u dont need a healer
provided your ships are adequately levelled and geared

[civic crag]

Yeah I don’t want to level and gear them

[undone plover]

Who are you trying to run?

U can also use a strong frontline that carries them
Doesnt have to be healers

[civic crag]

Graf zeppelin, normal Bismarck and Bismarck 2

[keen sable]

plenty but brest, haruka, rikka, and sf are probably the classics

[civic crag]

Oh facts ok thanks

[undone plover]

That backline shouldnt struggle
Just use xp books and push them to level 90
Farm 12-1 if struggling in 12-4

[civic crag]

Ok thanks

[oblique canyon]

Is Voroshilov good to use with Nakhimov in an all CV backline? Or would Soyuz+Nakhimov and a different vanguard be better? (Bossing)

[vernal edge]

These should evaporate anything pre 12-2 You can offset bisko's timers since they will probably oneshot whoever they fire first

[steel grotto]

how difficult is arbiter im only managing 3% hp per fleet or so on normal difficulty and i cant even imagine what hard is like

[hollow gust]

Wait 2-3 more months for people to get dev 30

[hollow gust]

Pretty easy , you just need decent fleets

[oblique canyon]

That's fair, just looking at who to use for Napoli grind lol

[steel grotto]

guess its back to the grind i go

[undone plover]

the main thing u want are levelled ships

the arbiter wont go away until 20 more days
3% sounds like pain

u can wait and do it at the end of the month, when your ships are properly levelled

[half plover]

which of the UR gearlab guns would u craft first? the DD main gun (twin 100), AA UR (twin 57mm) or UR bb gun (triple 406mm)

[tame jungle]

406

[undone plover]

how many wyverns do you have tho?

[steel grotto]

i only have like 2 ok-ish fleets at lvl100+ so i guess i have to work on that more

[half plover]

1

[atomic abyss]

Get another one first

[half plover]

oh alr

[undone plover]

yep. u can ignore the arbiter for now
like I said u only need to clear it once and u can do it later (as long as u do it before the end of the month)
20 days is a lot to level your ships

[half skiff]

guys, how do you farm coins?

[keen sable]

12+

[half plover]

it is also good to craft multiple flapjacks and prototype triple 155m kai? (the prio cl gun)

[tame jungle]

repeat 12-4

[half skiff]

what if my highest chapter is 6 🤔

[half plover]

get to chapter9 asap with one fleet

[tame jungle]

then you grind to clear w12 and farm there

[undone plover]

Then grind harder
Use one fleet
Get to 9 at least

[half skiff]

🫡

[undone plover]

If commander level wont let you progress u can check war archive passionate polaris

[vernal edge]

Farm highest you can do, iirc 7-2 has a lot of secret nodes so +120ish coins per node

[keen sable]

Passionate Polaris SP5 or Iris of Light and Dark D1

[undone plover]

Is iris easier than divergent

[half skiff]

any small pointers of how good my ships should be to reach 9?

[half plover]

probably around lvl 90 or so when u reach ch9

[vernal edge]

But then again thats just scraping bottom of the barrel

[undone plover]

As long as u MLB them they will breeze through

And retrofit unicorn

[half skiff]

okok

[keen sable]

All MLB, 90+, +10 main weapons

[undone plover]

Actually post your current fleet just incase

[half skiff]

wow thats way more than i got

[vernal edge]

I mean, you can do with +6 gear, just bruteforce with levels

[half plover]

u don't really need +10 gear yeah

I got there with +6 iirc

[keen sable]

going through 3 chapters of purple parts and not upgrading your mk6 once isn't the best plan

[vernal edge]

ch9 bosses iirc are light armored, so they explode quite well by practically everything you throw on them, my Ranger kai just clapped Tanikaze in a single launch in 9-1

[half skiff]

ill get there, ty for the advice guys

[little tree]

from what i remeber CH 11 or 10 when BB's come into play that nuke your backline is when things getr tough for the first time

[keen sable]

nagato exists in 9

[vernal edge]

Yeah, in hard BB nodes

[ionic bramble]

how often do I get DR prints outside of research? I kinda want to focus on pr6 for kearsarge but I dont know if I should focus on gears instead

[narrow wyvern]

I just wanna confirm smth about Musashi's Guardianship. Its damage will not be counted on the end of battle screen regardless of how much damage she deals, right?

[night dirge]

shinano or new jersey

[viscid swift]

if you're new PR4 should be your focus to start with not PR6
2nd, you can expect about 15 PR7 Selector prints a month on average which is to say not a lot

[ionic bramble]

what should I look for in PR4?

[viscid swift]

everything

all the ships to Dev 30, and 2 Tenrais before you move on

[half plover]

is shinano pre-mlb usable?

[spring bolt]

iirc yes, and it works that way for all crossfleet barrages

[half plover]

some dev ships are usable pre dev30 so I am wondering

[viscid swift]

I really wouldn't, 6 plane CVs aren't fun

[viscid swift]

to get from pity? Shinano

[soft raft]

if you like using her with chunks of her kit missing, sure

some dev ships are usable pre dev30 so I am wondering
There's only like 2 good cases of such but they would still like to be D30 ASAP

[half plover]

ah I see

[night dirge]

alr

[vernal edge]

Hotel Shinano until lb2 at least

Speaking of - does Shinano's barrage scale with AVI?

[soft raft]

that frankly should be obvious
not like there's anything else to scale off of

[atomic abyss]

^

[sweet delta]

what does August's 234 damage scale off of?

[narrow wyvern]

In terms of equips, around early/mid game, I assume it's better to share gears right?

[atomic abyss]

isn't it flat damage?

[narrow wyvern]

Lowkey it's tedious moving gear around, especially research gears

[atomic abyss]

use presets

[narrow wyvern]

About that, presets will just take whatever gear's free, yeah? I don't wanna be hit with a "X character has this equipped" message every time

[atomic abyss]

so unequip the other ship

[soft raft]

or get more copies of extra gear

[narrow wyvern]

Well, guess there's nothing I can do about it. Also, is there a reference on what AA guns to use or smth, idrk if I'm using the right ones outside of the STAAG and Sextuple Bofors

[worldly pewter]

are u using the top right tool for fast regear ?

[narrow wyvern]

How much AA stat would be considered "low AA"?

[soft raft]

it's namely the efficency of the mount itself, which below 100% is generally considered "Low AA"

[atomic abyss]

100-125% is ok

[narrow wyvern]

So it's less about the stat itself and more so the efficiency, gotcha

[sweet delta]

so repair ships are borderline low AA

[atomic abyss]

it's a combination of stat, efficiency and number of AA gun mounts

[sweet delta]

Just put sextuple, twin 113, or twin 90 on everyone in the vanguard

The low damage accelerators are likely bait

[narrow wyvern]

What's an accelerator?

[atomic abyss]

low damage high rof aa guns

AA rof is averaged, so having some faster AA guns speeds up overall firing rate

[narrow wyvern]

I just slap the Quad Bofors on everyone when I'm in doubt so for the most part I was unsure if I had the right options

[sweet delta]

Sextuple and twin 113

[narrow wyvern]

So it's kinda the equivalent to barrage-focused (gun)ships or whatever you call 'em

[atomic abyss]

sextuples and roombas for AA boats
staag/hazemeyer for BB/C and CVL

[sweet delta]

If there were an AA gun tier list, quad bofors would be a tier down from those two

[narrow wyvern]

Roomba?

[atomic abyss]

everything else can use bofors

roomba is twin 113

[narrow wyvern]

Ah, right. I forgot the Raze Boombot(?) in Valorant looks similar to that and is called a roomba as well

[fluid brook]

Well any circular object will be similar to twin 113, if your using that as a comparison

[narrow wyvern]

I mean, both things kill people and are kinda round so...

Well, less people. But you get the point

[fluid brook]

Well thats a fair point tbh, back to gph

[narrow wyvern]

Is there like a dictionary for gun names or smth, because I noticed a lot of guns have nicknames for em

[sweet delta]

There is glossary from years ago

[narrow wyvern]

I guess that can work? How much of the newer guns would yall say are "relevant"

[viscid swift]

depends as to what we're defining as "newer" among other things

[keen sable]

the gear guide includes some nicknames i believe

[sweet delta]

Newer guns are, on average, better than older guns

[narrow wyvern]

Uh, newer relative to said glossary

[viscid swift]

but most of the nicknames are relatively straighforward
they're either shortened versions of their full name or we just name them after the ship they're supposed to be on(mostly) irl

[sweet delta]

/glossary like 3 years outdated

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

🔹 General glossary covering commonly used terms
🔹 Equipment nicknames commonly used by players and
Ship nickname guide by Nerezza#7031

[narrow wyvern]

12-1's the best w12 farm right?

[wary timber]

so i have Roon, FDG, Georgia, Kitakaze, Anchorage and Agir.
the only ships i can't research for PR now is Brest, Harbin, Nakhimov and Bayard
now with this info, which ship should i research next

[keen sable]

12+ is the best w12 farm

[sweet delta]

AvP

[soft raft]

12-1/12-4 depending on if you care about the oil/xp ratio or the oil/gold ratio more respectively

[narrow wyvern]

Gotcha. XP matters more for me atm since I wanna get FDG going asap

[keen sable]

you will not notice the difference

[sweet delta]

12-4 has better exp per morale than 12-1

[wary timber]

ok... why AVP

[narrow wyvern]

At least I don't have to push for 12-4 immediately

[sweet delta]

Has no one ever told you about AvP?

[narrow wyvern]

Actually, is 12-4 much harder than 12-1 or are they pretty relative?

[soft raft]

Very good utility in full CV comps as a freeze
Basically everyone in PR4 except Marco still sees mainline use to this day

[sweet delta]

You've asked about PR ships many times already, nobody ever recommended AvP before?

[reef flume]

Implacable exists tho

[keen sable]

12-4 is harder. they are not pretty relative

[wary timber]

i have Implac

[soft raft]

yeah but not everyone has Implac
And if you want to make a 2nd CV fleet in OpSi, AvP would be better than Ark Royal

[narrow wyvern]

Well, considering my fleet doing well at 12-1. I can probs push for 12-4 soon

[reef flume]

Still AvP is very useful and her timestop skill is good

[sweet delta]

Unless you are close to 500 bps for haku already , AvP is the only useful one

[narrow wyvern]

or just stay at 12-1 if it's pretty negligible as mentioned since it'll at least guarantee me to clear comfortably

[worldly pewter]

i don't think avp is useful for someone who has implacable

[icy cave]

how should i gear kazagumo and sirius?

[worldly pewter]

yeah aside from coining her to get rid of her face

[reef flume]

She can be used in another fleet without her

[woeful moon]

Just coming back. Is this a good cat?

[soft raft]

nope lmfao

[sweet delta]

It's decent and nothing more than decent

[frank pulsar]

no ill keep it though since it looks shiny

[stark quiver]

It’s got every rainbow talent but flame

[sweet delta]

Actually decent is being generous as there is no flame and no mountain

[keen sable]

it's not even a trophy. artillery ace really?

[ruby knot]

Harder, atleast for the boss fight

[soft raft]

🤏

[jaunty vault]

relatively harder

[vernal edge]

Bossfights are harder

[elfin hollow]

whats the fastest opsi mob fleet i can make

[worldly pewter]

level wise harder i think the boss armor is med instead of light which TBH doesn't matter most of the time

[sweet delta]

Fastest for what and what ships and gear do you have?

[spring bolt]

i'd promote 12-2 farming, as mob spawns in 12-1 sometimes block the way to boss, meaning an extra mob fight

[stark quiver]

Aquila, bearnM, unicorn
DDs

[worldly pewter]

why not 12-4 ?

[eager mulch]

alsace, unikai, uvh

[narrow wyvern]

Bossfights aren't an issue thus far so it's probably just a matter of whether or not my mob fleet can remain alice

[sweet delta]

The exp/oil of 12-1 is still higher, and if you wanted coin then 12-4 exists

[spring bolt]

12-4 is too hard for white/blue vanguards when you do vanguard mvp control

[keen sable]

12-1 has dinky mobs with no xp

[jaunty vault]

[worldly pewter]

that is very technical situation but generally 12-4 should be better no ?

[forest palm]

vanguard mvp control for common, and rare ships is wild

[jaunty vault]

efficiency is efficiency

[spring bolt]

if you still have backlines to level, yes

[jaunty vault]

[plain saffron]

Does the chance match the weight in files?

[sweet delta]

I used the weights in files

So yes it matches

[worldly pewter]

usually most people who are asking about how w12 farming goes have backline ships to level but i got ur point

[plain saffron]

I thought you recorded the spawn rate while testing

[viral flicker]

Send link to this 3 need to build them

[sweet delta]

you thought I played a million sorties

[plain saffron]

I never doubted you

But now I'm going to

[wind hazel]

i thought you'd play a million and one sorties

[spring bolt]

i ran out of backlines to level for almost 2 years, except when new event drops, and i still have more than 100 vanguards to level

[sweet delta]

Normal planes for Enty for mobbing. The other two, why do you need to build them?

[whole crypt]

sounds about right... you including collab and littles?

[spring bolt]

no, not going to level most of them until i finish all fleet tech ships

[sweet delta]

do the devs know about Sandy bug?

[viral flicker]

Cause xp

[spring bolt]

talked to one dalao and he reported it, probably. but that bug has small impact so no idea if/when the fix will arrive

[sweet delta]

Maybe as quickly as little illustrious

[whole crypt]

it's a feature to weaken sandy it's not a bug

[spice phoenix]

is fishpack or wolfpack better?

[atomic abyss]

fish, though not by much

[sweet delta]

The best fish pack is better than the best wolfpack

[spice phoenix]

best fishpack being?

[frank pulsar]

just use whatever you have thats best, the difference between top 3 sub fleets is not big

[sweet delta]

Flasher plus two of albacore, archerfish, homura

It's quite big in some cases, like 20% big

[spice phoenix]

just need alba then, but i can get her from exercises. thanks!

[frank pulsar]

i should get started on fishpack then

[sweet delta]

It could be the difference between a 5:00 CM kill or a 5:20 kill

[narrow wyvern]

Uh, from what I'm understanding. 12-2 could be potentially more ideal for grinding than 12-1 due to spawn locations?

[sweet delta]

In about 2% of 12-1 sorties, your boss fleet will fight an extra battle. It's no big difference

[mystic topaz]

How can i check a ship's faction in-game?

Trying to align skills and their ships

[sweet delta]

the USS under the name, or go to Archive for full name Eagle Union

[undone plover]

prefix or filter

[mystic topaz]

Oh all good ideas, thanks guys

Also what is OXY used for on submarines?

[boreal wagon]

it determines how long they stay submerged

[atomic abyss]

oxy stands for oxygen
it's a measurement for how long they stay underwater before surfacing

[mystic topaz]

Thanks

[sweet delta]

Tap the ship stats for more

[little tree]

Is it better to save mail oil for events or use as needed for pr ship griding ?

[stark quiver]

i mean you can knock out pr grinding with afk oil, not mail, save mail for something important

chances are, you wont be able to use ship anyways cuz bps

[little tree]

I can coin them

But fair point.

[acoustic thistle]

is eldrige rng from shop?

[soft raft]

Yes
Merit shop specifically

[acoustic thistle]

dang lol

[proud turret]

Are there any French Ships with good Anti-Air? I have made a French Fleet but I am worried that they will just die to aircraft if I even try to use them on 13 world

[cobalt rapids]

if u grind in w13 just slap uni and forget about it

[proud turret]

I have maxed out uni already, so thank you for advice!

[cobalt rapids]

if u dont wanna run carries at all then grind in w12

[proud turret]

oh it is not about grinding, just completing
Tho I have lv 123 San Diego Retrofit on my other (American) fleet so maybe I will manage

[cobalt rapids]

faction fleets are a handicap not a benefit

[rain vine]

if youre completing, i dont really see the point in having a faction fleet unless you want to meme

[proud turret]

Ah, alrighty. So generally when a ship has faction buffs it is best to have just enough to activate them I take it and then just mix and match who is stronger?

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes enough to activate, sometimes ignore altogether
consider the trade off for using worse alternatives to compensate for faction buffs
most of the time u activate the buff with other good ships, using bad ships for buffs is not a good trade off

[proud turret]

Okay, thank you!
For Example I am running Richelieau with Alsace, Mogador, Saint Louis (she is just one of my favourites really) and training up Brest (I have her at 25 development currently);
For "American" Fleet I am running NJ, WV, Anchorage, Allen M. Summer and either Helena retrofit or Sandy

And various 3rd Main Fleets depending on the situation and what I am doing at the time

[undone plover]

if u are trying to push campaign u need a decent healer in mob and neither fleet has a healer
the american fleet will be good enough for the boss

for ch14 u cant really use these fleets though
U will need to make some adjustments

stick unicorn in the first fleet and u will clear ch13 if they have decent levels and are MLB

[proud turret]

I am working to get Chang Chun for example.
also, I left the slot empty because I usually do run Unicorn there or with the French, depending with which fleet I wanted to grind the recent event

[undone plover]

actually if u have a CV replace WV
u want some more ACV

[proud turret]

I do have maxed out Essex and Fully retrofitted Independence. I probably will also work to level up enterprise, I have her fully limit broken

[undone plover]

either will work
ch13 isnt really that difficult

and yeah enty is good
u want to level her

[proud turret]

Okie, once again thanks for all!
When Fools Scales will rerun in two years I will try to get Painleve and Clemencau as well lol (why are they so recent...)

[undone plover]

shouldnt be two more years tbh
it has already been a year since they released

[proud turret]

Ah, I thought the events rerun after three years. Well, that's good news

[little tree]

Is there a low oil cost PR EXP grinding thats Possible in 12-1 or no

[soft raft]

there's like zero reason to do 3:1/1:3 ever since oil cap became a thing

[forest palm]

running a full fleet is effectively more efficient

[left cedar]

so the "gear" in the CtA its literally a skin ?
yeah, i'm in cave so i dint read much about this days

[forest palm]

[sleek vault]

I've done 3-4 100s of times with Langley/Downes, but have 0 Kaga and 5 Akagi. Am I just unlucky or something?

[soft raft]

RNG do be like that

[cursive latch]

just dont overdo the "save mail oil" like some of us here (including me), who saved up well over 200k of oil and still refuse to use it

well refuse is a strong word, more like forgot about it. ever since they moved out oil of the mails into the big storage container you'll lose track of the reserve oil you get more easily

[little tree]

i still got all of PR 4 to grind but ill save for ev ents

[warm flax]

Is it never a mistake to +13 HSFCR?

[hollow gust]

its not the worst to do but table and shells are there too

[forest palm]

low priority in other words

[little tree]

Do they limit the amount of oil commissions u get a day or is it rng that u get more ?

[olive rover]

I was looking at Izumo's defensive skill that makes her take reduced damage from AP shells, and I was wondering if there's a general rule as to which enemies deal AP shelling damage to your ships? Is it usually only enemy BB class ships that deal AP damage?

[hollow gust]

well they are the only ap shell that reaches backlines in campaign

[south gull]

should I grind last cleared level if I'm stuck in low chapters(4 rn)?

[ionic bramble]

is it worth to MLB bismarck just to farm FDG? I can auto 12-1 with her atm but I was wondering if she can be use elsewhere

[viscid swift]

she's just tech but grinding with non max limit broken ships is worse than grinding with max limit broken ships and a waste of XP

[ionic bramble]

so its worth. I forgot I still need more KMS tech for hindy later on

[sweet delta]

can't be as bad as someone who retired dozens of mlb ships only to discover years later that they want to do level 120

[forest palm]

even worse is when those ships are a bunch of event limited ships

[stark quiver]

i remember raging and scrapping my entire dock

[ionic bramble]

but why?

[keen sable]

doesn't have to be. like if you can't clear 4-4 it's ok to do 4-2 for sara instead of 4-3

just don't stray too far

[ionic bramble]

also, I saw people talking about how good nelson retrofit is yesterday, how is she compared to hood?

[hollow gust]

basically as strong as hood, and in some content can be better