gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

but i don't think that'll happen in opsi anyways?

[plain saffron]

prob meta fight

not this one though

[steady beacon]

Ye it's ultimately another timing option
May help for slowing Implac a bit more and tightening some syncs tbh

[wet prairie]

Does Alsace replace anyone in the meta 3 BB boss comp?

[undone plover]

It is another gold plate sink

[atomic abyss]

against light, she replaces sushi and soyuz
against med, soyuz replaces sushi

at least, outside CM

[calm rose]

prob not? you only need it for the fastest one

[wet prairie]

Damn so meta med would be soyuz, VG, biz?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[wet prairie]

And light would be VG, alsace, BIZ?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[wet prairie]

Heavy still VG, BIZ, sushi?

[atomic abyss]

the primary issue is the syncing more than anything

[wet prairie]

imma just run the anti-heavy, too lazy smh

[atomic abyss]

i mean just chuck sushi in mobbing and use soyuz instead

she's better there anyways

well i guess for opsi mobbing alsace is better anyways but

opsi mobbing lol

[wet prairie]

I’m running FDG + UVH mobbing rn

Quite literally all the same in the end, rainbow spam + buffers

[warm lark]

Currently team building for a research fleet for Harbin, I already know my mob fleet will have the Hai twins but debating the third slot for either Yat Sen or Van Chang Chun

[atomic abyss]

drop one of the hai twins, either one need to be run with yat anyways

the hai twins suck without yat

realistically, you'd probably run yat+chang chun and one of them

[warm lark]

Oh for some reason I read as I needed both for the buff my b

[atomic abyss]

They need it for the dmg buff yes

But their damage still sucks regardless

The DDG will be carrying the damage

Whether it's CC, AS or TY

[warm lark]

Okay, do you have any recommendations for a boss fleet or should I not bother?

[atomic abyss]

Not worth imo

[weary fog]

How to level up subs?

[atomic abyss]

Dorm, summoning them in battle

[whole crypt]

XP packs

[atomic abyss]

Or that yes

[frank pulsar]

i didnt do anything yet

[strange sphinx]

[broken pivot]

So, with Vanguard coming soon, i wanna get her. Do both her and NJ (since shes my main BB) need to have the same main gun for maximum effectiveness?

[atomic abyss]

Well for the sake of simplicity yes

Her reload is higher so she'll fire first as she's meant to

[broken pivot]

i see, well, best case scenario is both her and NJ use the NJ gun, but sadly i only have one, so ill use the 406 mle ig

(which also means im stuck with dealing extra damage to heavy enemies and less to non heavy enemies)

[finite crag]

use the appropiate gun for the armor type

theres no one size fits all

mk7 is only for light armor

its only the "best case scenario" if youre fighting a light armor boss

[broken pivot]

Whats the best craftable he gun then

(that wouldn't cost me an arm and a leg to make)

[finite crag]

mk7 but mk6 works just fine

you do not need multiple mk7 if it breaks your bank

[atomic abyss]

Yes
It's a better rocket fighter

[plain saffron]

againts light, mk7 >mk6
med/heavy 406mm mle

When in doubt use mk6

[broken pivot]

This thing?

[finite crag]

that thing

[plain saffron]

Yes

[broken pivot]

Well, for the time being NJ will keep her he gun, and switch to mk6 when I prepared Vanguard enough to use

The 406 mle should be simple enough as well

[plain saffron]

Keep mk7 on nj, mk6 on vanny

More dmg gun on ship with more dmg

[whole crypt]

Mk7 is a shiny Mk6
for all contents if you're not sure using those two won't fail you horribly, but starting from around ch13 you'll want to bring AP guns for heavy
for OS/META bossing specifically you want the right ammo type for the armour

[patent pivot]

Vangs damage is basically 0 anyways

[broken pivot]

Oh if that works then I'm cooking

[whole crypt]

"basically 0" is a huge exaggeration but sure

[broken pivot]

A tldr is I don't bother with actually hard content outside of event SP/EX so that's all find and dandy

[whole crypt]

even for event EX using the right gun for the armour is important

[broken pivot]

Well, yeah, ik about that

Anyway, that is truely the useful information of all time (I rejoined this server just for this question lmao)

[plain saffron]

Even in campaign late game or opsi it's better to use mle

[exotic wren]

nagamon is now delulu?

[whole crypt]

nagalulu?

[tame jungle]

Lululemon

[whole crypt]

who are you and what did you do to nagami

[plain saffron]

I'm embracing my real self

[exotic wren]

Iirc it was the ghost guns that did it

[whole crypt]

back to spreading misinformation?

[plain saffron]

i'll become the misinformation

[wide marsh]

What purple torpedo bombers are OK to use except for Tenzan/Baracuda?
Should I stick with parallel spread for mob and aimed for bosses?

[atomic abyss]

Tenzan is the only actually relevant purple TB
Or tenzan kai

[frank pulsar]

use preferably parallel for both in campaign

[polar venture]

Is there a good stage to run for exp?

[shell willow]

12-4

[soft raft]

12-1/12-4 take your pick

[blissful hamlet]

how is napoli damage compared to plymouth or CB

[inner delta]

damn he already have dev30

[patent pivot]

simulators are fun like that

[inner delta]

smh should give a "maynot be accurate"

[shell willow]

whose nickname is gayir?

[patent pivot]

agir

[shell willow]

ah

[slender heart]

That's...underwhelming. But super thicc tho

[inner delta]

that is not underwhelming at all

especially how tanky she is

and for the frontline

[whole crypt]

if the damage is comparable she's basically Agir with smoke
though Agir has AB

[inner delta]

and smoke is good

[slender heart]

I thought she's gonna give about agir level of damage, that's not what that number is. But I'm raising her anyway

[calm rose]

am i missing something? isnt her damage "agir level" from the numbers in the simulation

[inner delta]

it's 111k vs 109k

[whole crypt]

???

at this point she's like (possibly) more tanky than Agir but bring less damage potenatial (no AB)

but their self damage is the same ballpark

[patent pivot]

more runs

im running halford tests now and then admin later

[red stag]

if i reach 400 UR pity thing what will happen if i continue to pull after does it go past 400 or does it not count until you get the UR

[blissful hamlet]

is this accurate? she do less than bayard

[plain saffron]

capped at 400

[patent pivot]

very accurate

[blissful hamlet]

she's as tanky as agir?

[slender heart]

Probably more

[blissful hamlet]

napoli op

[patent pivot]

too bad her only utility is useless most of the time

[slender heart]

Don't think so tho

[blissful hamlet]

oh wait forgot she has heavy armor so not really op

[broken pivot]

I just remembered that I can get admiralty firing tables from the vanguard rerun as well

[plain saffron]

heavy armor usually tankier

[patent pivot]

gayir has very good utility on top of being one of the best tanks

[broken pivot]

Finally, a rerun actually worth grinding for

I might get 2 for both of my BBs tho, which is kinda hard

[slender heart]

and fs5 soon™

[whole crypt]

well Napoli may have been useful for Wichita META if she came 2 months earlier

[blissful hamlet]

is it still tankier on w13 and w15?

[plain saffron]

you can only get 1 this rerun

[soft raft]

only way you can have 2 is if you got one from her original run

otherwise you're gonna have to wait till her event gets archived like a year later

[broken pivot]

WAAAARGGHHHH

Well, ehhh, at least one for NJ is good

[lament bay]

is the difference between golden control radar and table huge?

[slender heart]

20 accuracy and decrease spread

[inner delta]

it's more stats and -2 spread

[soft raft]

Its basically a direct upgrade to HSFCR

[lament bay]

so it makes some guns with more spread better? it doesnt have better timings adjustments or such?

[soft raft]

the -2 spread isnt much of a factor, it's mainly the better stats
Also tbh i think many people wouldnt have liked it if it had different timing adjustments

[inner delta]

adjustment is the same

its just more stats

[hollow gust]

Nj is the last UR BB to get it

[broken pivot]

Wdym by that again?

[river junco]

When do you want to do shorter/longer researches for H, Q, D, and G type researches? (cause im seeing some people say shorter better and others longer better in the chat history)

[frank pulsar]

nj alrdy has acc buffs, its better off on other ships

[whole crypt]

besides that NJ is also the last UR BB in priority nowadays anyway, assuming you actually have the rest to choose from

[fast plaza]

probably a dumb question but can someone explain to me why this stage is not clear?

[slender heart]

Clear it once more

[whole crypt]

because you need to clear it more times

[viscid swift]

all the 30 minute researches are good and rare so take those whenever you see them
for Hs only 1 H is worth taking, the rest do not justify their cost in the slightest
Q for gear focus 4 H > 2 H > 1 H personally
for Ds; 8 H DR Face > 5 H DR Face > 2.5 H DR Face > 2.5 H PR face > 5 H PR Face > 8 H PR Face personally
for Gs
4 H is better for gear, 1.5 for a fast reset

[whole crypt]

3starring != clearing

[south sequoia]

Stars dont correlate with clear percentage

[fast plaza]

is this just how it works or something?

[whole crypt]

*correlate

[south sequoia]

My brain....

[fast plaza]

ic

[south sequoia]

Yep, its just not obvious with the earlier chapters since they have required less clears overall

[whole crypt]

stars are stars, clears are clears, they're not related
later stages will require more clears as indicated by the % you see on a stage after clearing it

[south sequoia]

When you go farther in you will have higher number of clears per stage

[fast plaza]

ic, if its just game mechanic then i understand

also whats the point of ammo if i can just keep atacking after it reach 0/5 ?

[broken pivot]

In fact I don't have any other good BB I've built properly

If I had a properly built Alsace, Soyuz or heck Bis Zwei ofc I would use her and give the table as well

[south sequoia]

If you run out of ammo your fleet will do reduced damage

[whole crypt]

there's a 50% damage penalty so there's incentive to use a second fleet or level up more before attempting more fights with a single fleet

[broken pivot]

Actually, would the table be worth more on vanguard or NJ

[whole crypt]

usually for early game it's just leveling up more and improving your gear because you often lack the resources to invest in a second fleet

[south sequoia]

5/5 - 4/5 Ammo - Fleet damage bonus
3/5 - 1/5 Ammo - No Bonuses
0/5 - Damage Penalty

[fast plaza]

ic, ic thank you guys

[whole crypt]

actually 4+ ammo but yeh

[south sequoia]

Oh right

[whole crypt]

no point talking about the 6 ammo scenarios

[south sequoia]

I keep thinking its 3 ammo

[knotty dome]

arent shorter q and dr face better cuz more drop / hour?

[viscid swift]

you can't gurantee to chain a bunch of them so I prefer the longer ones for more consistency

[knotty dome]

i see

[quaint marlin]

how do you get more t3 ordanance testing reports?

[fathom relic]

All ordinance should be farmed in Opsi, and iirc t3 is the rainbow one so you can fuse from the gold one

[quaint marlin]

oh shit u can?

[whole crypt]

8 golds for a rainbow

[fathom relic]

Yea but not purple to gold, only gold to rainbow

[boreal oriole]

How's Halford and Nak Damage compared to their contemporaries?

[patent pivot]

halford

admin havent run tests yet

[south sequoia]

I genuinely did not expect such damage from halford

[patent pivot]

should be noted that bayards dmg increase as she loses health did nothing as i (basically) turned off vanguard dmg

[jaunty vault]

its a simulation
take it with a shit ton of salt

[south sequoia]

True true

We could be getting results as soon as a month or a month and a half or so assuming people cube the fuck out of it like always

[patent pivot]

i will say that it is a vastly improved simulation compared to older iterations

[atomic abyss]

Did hal have the increased damage from guns too

Or was that someone else

[boreal oriole]

That's pretty high... I know she have shite Avi and Efficiency. Still

[whole crypt]

is that with moggun/quadmag/floatcat?

[atomic abyss]

Can't remember
Think it was with floatcat

Need to look at the mine again

[patent pivot]

yeah everyone was given the fancy new quadmag, moggun, plygun, hindegun, floatcat, and then no offensive auxs (guns where applicable of course)

[whole crypt]

what's the launch time for +10 floatcat

[wispy pendant]

What is floatcat?

[opaque galleon]

Floatplane Bearcat

[tame jungle]

PR7 gear

[digital cloud]

Queen Elizabeth and Warspite are actually trash aren't they?

[jaunty vault]

depends on how you classify trash
atleast for warspite

[digital cloud]

I am trying to clear the Operation Siren missions with them right now and they just die right away

[blissful hamlet]

Halford is plymouth killer

[jaunty vault]

then most likely your levels are low or you have bad gear or both

[atomic abyss]

Also which opsi missions

[jaunty vault]

serenity...

[south sequoia]

Warspite isnt exactly trash but to polish her to something good you would need really expensive materials

[whole crypt]

1. that's a sim not actual gameplay performance
2. Halford's eHP is kind of 🚮 if you want to compare

[jaunty vault]

warspite is trash when mobbing

[viscid swift]

not to mention Plymouth still has her debuff

[digital cloud]

southwest ocean ridge c

[opaque galleon]

So no nahkimov sim yet then?

[atomic abyss]

Nah I meant
Didn't Halford have that debuff where enemy take more from FP based damage

[atomic abyss]

As in, is it an abyssal or a stronghold

Or just a normal zone you're trying to clear

[viscid swift]

yes but the timing was like every 15 seconds

[digital cloud]

Normal zone

[viscid swift]

Every 15s: targets a random enemy (humanoid enemies are prioritized) and decreases that enemy's EVA by 4% (10%) for 6s and launches a Lv.1 (Lv.10) seaplane attack (DMG is based on the skill's level). If this seaplane hits the random enemy targeted by this skill: increases that enemy's cannon DMG taken by 8% for 6s.

[patent pivot]

Within 8hrs I should have it done

[atomic abyss]

It's not like we have much better options for BB meta teams anyways

I mean really
There aren't really many ships that cater to BB fleets to begin with

[whole crypt]

BB teams are fine with Agir/Helena/Plymouth

[atomic abyss]

Haven't we established that agir's torps aren't exactly reliable per se

[whole crypt]

who cares about the slow

[atomic abyss]

Then you have a level issue or gear issue

[patent pivot]

Let me find my sheet

[south sequoia]

Iirc we've moved past the agir slow cope since 2021, pretty sure agir is just there to be tanky and become an armor break bot

[opaque galleon]

Ah, I just realized that halfords eva debuff and fp injure ratio debuff don’t happen at the same time

[pseudo hearth]

Does the float bearcat seem better than the Gold BBV Gear Lab Plane?

[atomic abyss]

My point was moreso
If you don't need the chonkiness from Agir
Wouldn't Ply Halford Helena be a decent or even better combo?

[opaque galleon]

So the overlap is like what, 4s?

[patent pivot]

If you doubt agir please look at comp #8 and #1

[whole crypt]

not sure which boss you'd be comfortable just taking tank off

[south sequoia]

In that case, you could argue that yeah
But then that brings up the question if halfords utility is enough to run over options like unzen and hindenburg to brute force the bosses instead

[slender heart]

I'd really go for agir/hinden/ply

[patent pivot]

You are replacing hinde with Halford, hinde who is significantly better than ply with someone who is barely better than ply and has a mistimed debuff

[boreal oriole]

For an SSR DD that paper damage is pretty high

[atomic abyss]

I mean
If we can run full on Sirius Kaza Helena comps for some fights
I don't see why we cant run ply hal helena lol

[south sequoia]

Also halfords timing looks pretty awful

[quaint marlin]

just wanted to ask, so what does the rpg adventure interface even do

[boreal oriole]

I'll just treat her Buffs as nice to have. She really does and only do damage

[south sequoia]

Every 15s for only 6s uptime only hsfcr bbs are able to squeeze in that time or uvh

[atomic abyss]

I mean not everyone has BZ to use with Hinden anyways

Assuming they even have Hinden

[patent pivot]

Then just run hinde

[quaint marlin]

what's bz?

[patent pivot]

If you don't want hinde then run mog

[atomic abyss]

bismarck zwei

[south sequoia]

Bismarck Zwei

[south sequoia]

Or unzen

[boreal oriole]

True. But im talking an SSR/PR DD

[patent pivot]

If you aren't running her heavy I guess

[viscid swift]

honestley, we'll just have to wait and see, I doubt Halford will be useful against Wichita and OpSi comps aren't gonna get shaken up until Nahkimov starts to come online

[patent pivot]

Not running her heavy is a massive loss

[slender heart]

Or shima. We could really go on for this huh

[atomic abyss]

no definitely not shima

at least when compared with unzen

[whole crypt]

hard to shake up OS comps with Nakhimov if you can't use her freeze

[atomic abyss]

to me

nakhimov looks like she's gonna see more use with soyuz for campaign bossing/mobbing as opposed to opsi

[whole crypt]

she does

[south sequoia]

I'd treat nakhimovs freeze more as a bonus rather than an actual main utility

[viscid swift]

Kronshtadt's cross fleet should take care of that

[whole crypt]

only for 1 airstrike at best

[atomic abyss]

that involves actually using kron

[south sequoia]

Nakhimov has potentially great damage too with her even having crit rate and damage increases

[patent pivot]

Soy nak shinano comps should beat implac shinan haku comps

[whole crypt]

but who do you use Nakhimov with in that case because all our current CV comps already have established partners

[patent pivot]

You boot haku

[whole crypt]

[viscid swift]

wasn't it discovered the enemy only had to be affected by a slow once in order for the affect to become permanent for the rest of the battle

[patent pivot]

I can check soon™️

[atomic abyss]

that would be rad ngl

[opaque galleon]

Is +13 Flanders gun recommended?

[patent pivot]

If you are running it then yeah

[whole crypt]

last patch made the flawed status only work while slow was happening IIRC

[viscid swift]

rip

[white agate]

can i see an example of perfect cat official?; like a ss; just to make an idea

[atomic abyss]

hmm
maybe i'll set my PR focus to 7 to help with the testing
at least once i'm done with the tenrai

6 more BPs

[undone plover]

Did the update roll out finally?
Or can I hold on to the pre-nerf version more

[inland shoal]

I think we are still pre nerf due to version number mishap

[wary robin]

hm. why does Nakhimov having ghost gun not mentioned in her lvling staff..

[opaque galleon]

What does non-max reload enhanced vanguard mean?

[inland shoal]

Most ghost guns are not mentioned

[atomic abyss]

that means her reload stat in the "enhance" menu

isn't fully filled up

why is that a thing? cos she can be a bit too fast

[inland shoal]

Cursed method to make her slower

[wary robin]

hm, but i thought for PRs they will do it. Like they did for Agir and Brest..

[opaque galleon]

[inland shoal]

But she has it from dev0

[hybrid grove]

guys, what do i do with the extra

[plain saffron]

only special/upgraded one does in LB

[atomic abyss]

unfortunately, scrap it

or you could keep it as a trophy or sth

[plain saffron]

retire or keep purely for flex

[opaque galleon]

I make her wear a different skin

[hybrid grove]

my luck is useless then

[dusk dirge]

I keep them as trophy’s and wear diff skins

[hybrid grove]

unfortunately i need the dock space... welp

[plain saffron]

google docs would be easier to read tbh

[patent pivot]

But a pdf feels cooler

[dusk dirge]

For triple battleship boss fleet which 3?

Bis2
Vanguard
NJ
Alsace
Sushi
SS

[hybrid grove]

btw, is it worth to roll standard for perseus or smthn

[viscid swift]

no
Unicorn is free and better

[hybrid grove]

better? aight

[atomic abyss]

absolutely not, just use uni retro who is better in almost every regard

[atomic abyss]

bis2, vanguard
alsace

[patent pivot]

Long answer? Read my pdf, short answer, Vang/BiZ/Als

[turbid dawn]

Another strange question are missions just random everyday as for the past 3 days in a row I've gotten all but 1 port ones

[hybrid grove]

BiZ rerun still long... guess ill save

[plain saffron]

that's what you taken, new missions are in the other ui

[opaque galleon]

Why is it not possible to run longer simulations/more than 3 salvos?

[turbid dawn]

These are the new missions, I do them everyday, I jus taccept all without reading then I noticed for the 3rd day in a row now it's been all port ones

[plain saffron]

[patent pivot]

Gross programming stuff, I can now but back then it would shit itself

I can rerun all these tests however the point still stands. And with soyuz being in heavy now I don't see any value

[pseudo hearth]

Might as well ask again, is the new float plane better than the Gold IJN Gearlab Recon Plane?

[opaque galleon]

Does the heavy comp differ significantly?

[keen comet]

With this equipment that I placed in NJ, will I be able to party on several maps?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[haughty dust]

Is this weapon worth crafting?

[whole crypt]

not really

[whole crypt]

depends

[soft raft]

only worth it on Shimanto for W15

[atomic abyss]

depends on a million things
especially the rest of the comp

[haughty dust]

ok. well, I don’t have her unlocked yet. Plus, I haven’t even started chapter 14 even though I’ve cleared chapter 13, but not made any of the notes safe I don’t think off the top my head.

[patent pivot]

I don't have new numbers for antiheavy BB (because antiheavy CV is better) but iirc it is vang/biz/soy if you have hinde, otherwise mash > biz

[opaque galleon]

Danke

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't use it on Shimanto even for 15 unless your AA was falling short

[pseudo hearth]

Shimakaze is seemingly going to be added to permanent summoning pool soon, right?

[tame jungle]

yea

[pseudo hearth]

That being the case, I'm close to the guaranteed UR, should I grab Shinano or Shima?

[whole crypt]

Shinano

[atomic abyss]

shima would place below shina and nj lol

[undone plover]

does this mean anti-light BB fleet is better than yorkii, kear fleet

[sweet delta]

Depends on AA

Yorkii implacable used to shit on BBs even in higher AA bosses, but CVs have gotten nothing for the past year while BBs got Alsace and more mk7 and soon more afct

[whole crypt]

considering La9 didn't creep out rocketcat yeh

but even if it did it'll be a while before we had enough copies for it to be a thing

[earnest flare]

is northampton2’s slow reliable enough for york2/enty/another damage focused cv or is york2/enty/avp better with the more reliable stop

[sweet delta]

The slow is reliable, but using a Avi or hit rate buffer instead of northii is just more damage in the end

[earnest flare]

ah ok. I have kaza for avi buff, what are other recommended vang for cv fleet (other than Helena)

[atomic abyss]

sirius

[sweet delta]

A tank , Sirius, or aurora for DD/CL boss

[patent pivot]

How did you get that conclusion from that message?

[earnest flare]

ok thanks!

[blazing shale]

why would you slot hinden in boss fleets for helena though

and when did vanguard return to the bb roster after the rise of zwei/alsace/sovetsky

[patent pivot]

because helena hate

[patent pivot]

after soyuz got moved to heavy and testing showed vanguard was very close

[lament bay]

i have for BBs: musashi, uvh, nj, fdg maxed. If i get vanguard should i MLB her or alsace

[frigid linden]

Which is preferable in torpedo planes, converging or parallel?

[forest palm]

depends on content

[patent pivot]

depends on what your trying to do

[forest palm]

solo bossing mostly prefers Converging, Mobbing you want Parallel, and some Campaign bossing prefers Parallel

[forest palm]

how many UR Bulins do you have to work with?

[lament bay]

i have 1 currently

this is my ur situation if it matters

[forest palm]

personally Vanny > Alsace

[undone plover]

Hmmmm
Maybe a stretch on my part cause I was not aware of the full convo but the way u phrased it implied u didn’t bother with heavy since CV is just better

Therefore if u bothered with the other armor types it means CV is not strictly better

[lament bay]

is uvh usable with vanguard? or would my other 2 be musashi nj fixed

[atomic abyss]

uvh hates BB fleets in general

[pseudo hearth]

What Dev level does Plymouth need to be at to do her job well?
I'm currently focusing PR 5 to get BPs for her and Harbin, and I want to change my PR focus sometime soon to work on PR6 and 7, so I just want to get an idea for when to do so.

[atomic abyss]

she doesn't sync well with any of the BBs

[forest palm]

Musashi + NJ + Vanny would be the better comp till you can raise Alsace, or another heavy hitter BB releases to replace NJ

[vale spindle]

uvh is perfectly fine in bb fleets

[forest palm]

Ulrich is just awkward, and not so simple to use

[vale spindle]

its just you have better UR options

[atomic abyss]

ulrich doesn't like to sync so

[patent pivot]

ah gotcha, yeah i was only referring to med, i still believe CV supremecy for light and heavy

[undone plover]

Maybe the new plane changes that for medium as well
Anyway thanks for explaining

[forest palm]

can't wait to hear the drones come out to talk about Yamato

[vale spindle]

yea but the slow uptime is pretty good and you can twin 457 for 9 shots in meta fights with enough tech

[atomic abyss]

the question was with vanny so uh

[lament bay]

after finishing VG i dont think ill be able to MLB alsace before next new UR so ig ill come back here then

[forest palm]

ya that's why I wasn't so definitive about Alsace, and more so pointed that NJ would be the most replaceable UR BB among what you have

[pseudo hearth]

Thanks for the answer whoever did the reactions

[atomic abyss]

well honestly

she can work at 20 but like
i wouldn't advise it before 25 personally

at that point just bring a DPS

[forest palm]

you can be spicy, and just run sandwich Dev 15 Plymouth

[whole crypt]

gold duck or sap for Sandy (ret+aug)

[dusk dirge]

How should I allocate the table?

If I lose it I am breaking my BB synch with Helena, no? Or do I only usr it on a fleet that doesn’t care about sync?

[sweet delta]

If you use afct or HSFCR, just put SG radar on a retrofitted Helena

[dusk dirge]

Ok

[sweet delta]

For longer battles you may need to -15% on some BBs and not on others, but that's an advanced topic

[dusk dirge]

Understood, I can figure that out.

Sadly. I hate timing

[pseudo hearth]

It's a little early, but is the new IJN BB of note? Or does the existence of all the UR BBs kind of drown her out?

[sweet delta]

She looks like a worse Owari

[pseudo hearth]

I see

[patent pivot]

i severely doubt that, but i do plan to check just in case

[lyric stump]

Guys is napoli a better kron??

[atomic abyss]

as a tank? no

they are different hull types lol

[lyric stump]

Wut abt dps

[patent pivot]

Significantly worse

[forest palm]

Daisen is more of a show pony than a race horse

[vale spindle]

as a tank yes

[lyric stump]

My opsi is kron hindy and unzen will using nap intead of kron better?

[vale spindle]

as a damage dealer nope

[pseudo hearth]

I really like her design a lot, but now it seems like she is the worst of the lot meta wise.

[vale spindle]

not until she is dev 25 minimum and even then in opsi you don't need more tank than kron anyways

[lyric stump]

Argue with the guy above who said no

[lyric stump]

I mean dev 30

[vale spindle]

napoli is the dr ca right i just want to confirm we are on the same page

[patent pivot]

yes

[inner delta]

there's only 1 napoli

[patent pivot]

the one who is off the charts on mebots ehp and is barely above gayir in terms of dps

[vale spindle]

then yes napoli is the tankiest ship in the game but her damage is average and her support doesnt really do much

[atomic abyss]

wut wasn't she worse

or have i been misinformed

[whole crypt]

worse than what

[lyric stump]

So will she be buffed?

[forest palm]

Daisen is certainly a strong SSR BB, but being an SSR BB in a UR BB world this kind of thing happens

[whole crypt]

buffed for what

[vale spindle]

kron has better support and damage, and good crossfleet, but worse tank (still really high) so id stick with kron

[patent pivot]

not unless CN complains

[vale spindle]

Napoli was always very very chonk they were just misinformation

[lyric stump]

We always get strongest ssr bb

[plain saffron]

She did her job so why buffed

[sweet delta]

is it misinformation or ender just didn't read right

[atomic abyss]

misinfo

[pseudo hearth]

Even then, we have some T0 Gold BBs, but I'm not sure if she'll be T0 or T1

[plain saffron]

Smh ender stealing my job

[atomic abyss]

sushi i will slap the rice out of you

[vale spindle]

should have done my samvaluations earlier 😔

[lyric stump]

Il go do that in bolibili rn

[vale spindle]

dw today they will get done trust

[plain saffron]

It's all sam's fault 😔

[forest palm]

the last SSR BB that caught my attention was Owari, who essentially pushed the boundaries of what is expected of an SSR BB

[atomic abyss]

izumo

[lyric stump]

Heard all pr7 gear except ur is meh

[whole crypt]

pretty sure floatcat isn't meh because you don't really have a working alternative for Halford

[forest palm]

Tiering kind of irrelevant especially in the T0 ~ T1 section all will perform solid

[sweet delta]

but if halford is meh then you can call floatcat so too

[vale spindle]

but halford launches 4 of them surely it has to be decent

[whole crypt]

well yahoo got some crazy damage numbers for Halford on sim, I just don't see her replacing anyone in a boss fleet though so it's kind of whether she does good regular damage for mob

[forest palm]

tier lists are true brain rot

[plain saffron]

What is the % of the plane dmg compared to say bfg

[sweet delta]

if it needs 4 copies to be good then maybe 1 copy isn't good

[vale spindle]

fair enough

[tame jungle]

Halford airstrike also clears screen right? Like fubuki

[plain saffron]

Yes

[vale spindle]

still better than suisei 12a on bbvs though

[pseudo hearth]

True, but if what someone said, in regards to Owari being better than Daisen, then it really just kind of feels very unfortunate where the new PR is outclassed immediately on release by other gold ships.

[sweet delta]

suisei 12a is a DB

[vale spindle]

oh i mean the bbv suisei

[sweet delta]

suisei 21

[vale spindle]

12 21

[whole crypt]

I don't think Flandre really stood out last year either

[plain saffron]

Halp

[vale spindle]

flandre stood out to me

[sweet delta]

I don't think Rupp really stood out last last year either

[vale spindle]

first bb with mgm+2 preload

[lyric stump]

Stongest float plane

[plain saffron]

We need more gimmicky research 😔

[vale spindle]

ruppre didnt stand out at launch though yes

[whole crypt]

basically any SR BB/BC doesn't standout with rainbow BB meta

[vale spindle]

yeppega

[tulip dawn]

Flandre is pretty damn good but ofc alsace haha

[lyric stump]

She have 8percent boost so will sje be in bb fleets?

[tulip dawn]

Being gold BB is sad in current day

[whole crypt]

Halford's 8% timing is awkward

[lyric stump]

So am thinking brest halfold brest

[pseudo hearth]

Champagne and Georgia are definitely missed. They were quite different than other BBs at the time.

[atomic abyss]

[whole crypt]

also Halford's considerably flimsier than all of the current BB fleet vanguard picks

[atomic abyss]

i wouldn't call georgia and champagne particularly unique when gascogne existed in PR2

[tulip dawn]

Champy was def unique

[pseudo hearth]

In terms of the way they worked

[plain saffron]

What is unique about Georgia i forgot

[vale spindle]

can't multiple ships be unique concurrently smh my head

[whole crypt]

champagne was unique, but UvH happened

[tulip dawn]

Odin tho was prime cooking

[sweet delta]

missing a mgm

[plain saffron]

I was thinking about gascan and Odin

[lyric stump]

Isnt rup a better odin

[pseudo hearth]

Her barrage was that weird one

[vale spindle]

mgm+1 with no preload or main gun gimmick, instead just a very narrow barrage

[sweet delta]

that came 2 years later

[whole crypt]

it's not weird by today's standard

[tulip dawn]

Debatable, but odin is the originator of that type of ship so

[atomic abyss]

mgm+1 only, high main gun eff (like JB), very focused barrage

[forest palm]

Ruppretch is bland, and boring

[lyric stump]

Does bis count?

[tulip dawn]

Hell no

[whole crypt]

Rupp was best PR5 because voice

[lyric stump]

Bis zwei have dragon

[plain saffron]

Yes but that's totally different

[atomic abyss]

bis is not bis zwei

[tulip dawn]

bis zwei also came out years later

[lyric stump]

Who use bis man all we talk abt is zwei

[pseudo hearth]

Odin is still completely unique

[plain saffron]

Rupp the best because pink hair

[lyric stump]

Best pr5 bb

[plain saffron]

I think quite a lot tbh

[tulip dawn]

Even if secondary spam backlines aren’t unique anymore, Odin’s reposition thing is still unique

[whole crypt]

but Rupp isn't a BB

[lyric stump]

As long as i have enough discribtion everything can be best

[forest palm]

when I say Ruppretch is bland, and boring, it's because her kit is generic af, and offers little to nothing, there's nothing wrong with her design

[clever sun]

What is rld stat?

[whole crypt]

reload

[clever sun]

It is only good for cv right?

[whole crypt]

it's good for any ship

more reload = shoot/launch faster

[atomic abyss]

CV and BB are the most interested in having better reload tho yes

[whole crypt]

the question is what context are you asking about reload

because carriers have no RLD gear and other ships generally don't want to use reload gear

[pseudo hearth]

Honestly, PR2 and PR3 was peak gameplay design wise, all the ships felt like they did something interesting.

[whole crypt]

PRake

[lyric stump]

Drake

[pseudo hearth]

Eh, at the time she stood out

[lyric stump]

When u be same dps as some top ssr characters be like

[whole crypt]

not really

[forest palm]

that's cause URs didn't exist outside of Retrofits, and DRs

[sweet delta]

#al-general

[hollow gust]

[forest palm]

either way 4, and 7 are pretty standout-ish

[hollow gust]

That's the same as saying fdg has the same damage as top SSR characters

[clever sun]

I saw RLD stat on gear so i was curious about it

[plain saffron]

I thought we're talking about mechanics not dmg

[whole crypt]

more reload makes the ship shoot/launch faster but because of how the reload formula works the improvement is usually not significant compared to just using gear that improves damage stat, or in the case of vanguards more often you prioritize durability

[lyric stump]

Getting rld stat is painful

[mortal roost]

W14&15 fleet improvements

[whole crypt]

it isn't though

[lyric stump]

So many ship to lv120

[clever sun]

Thanks

[whole crypt]

main fleet reload is only a very small selection of ships compared to the entire roster

[clever sun]

Is the end game of this game very hard if i dont pay?

[pseudo hearth]

No, it's quite doable

[whole crypt]

paying helps you keep more ships more easily, it doesn't make the gameplay itself easier

there's no direct improvements you can buy with money for lategame, just maybe some stuff to help you catchup to it

[atomic abyss]

this game is incredibly f2p friendly

[plain saffron]

Paying won't make you get any better

[whole crypt]

paying won't help you learn the game, that's for sure

[plain saffron]

You can't even pay to get new stuff faster

[pseudo hearth]

Having access to Research ships as a F2P is great because a good few of the ships there tend to be very good in the meta (PR4 onward specifically, with an odd few from PR3 and PR2 still worth using).

[whole crypt]

what does having access to research ships have to do with F2P or otherwise

[wide marsh]

Oath can influence equal PVP fleets I belive. Not that much of a deal unless you aim to be top 1 in PVP tho.

[whole crypt]

you can top PvP without oathing

[viscid swift]

you can get to the top of the PvP ladder without investing any money

[atomic abyss]

you just need commitment

[clever sun]

Thanks, the game is becoming a bit complexity for me now

[plain saffron]

You still have attacker bonus and you can just refresh if you're losing

[forest palm]

obligatory PvP is cringe

[whole crypt]

wtf are you doing stigma

[pseudo hearth]

Because it's quite accessible for someone who doesn't whale, as they're always around and like I said, quite meta relevant.

[plain saffron]

He's doing shinanlo sleep shinano wake timer shinano sleep

[whole crypt]

it doesn't matter if they're F2P though it's just part of the gameplay and ship acquisition loop that everyone goes through

[wide marsh]

Anyway, dock size is the biggest reason why i could want to buy some gems in future. I get some from maps but they are limited and will run out eventually.

[clever sun]

Yea the gems is hard to grind and rare

[hollow gust]

If you don't buy skins you are perfectly fine , we are getting 600 gems in a month

[wide marsh]

Are we?

[clever sun]

Gems from event right?

[whole crypt]

EN anniv

[hollow gust]

Anniversary is coming

[pseudo hearth]

He was asking how doable F2P is though, I argue that's quite relevant to the question. Imagine if Research ships were gacha, how much harder it'd be to do higher levels for someone who doesn't spend money.

[viscid swift]

You don't need to spend a cent on the game even for dock space

[clever sun]

Why is the game has a lot anniversary

[whole crypt]

but money isn't relevant for the gacha either

[whole crypt]

because it has 3 different major regions that started at different times

[exotic wren]

Blud I'm f2p and regardless of PR I'd say I have mostly the entire roster of meta ships, just need time tbf

[plain saffron]

You can 100% collection as f2p

[wide marsh]

God bless events

[clever sun]

Wow a real f2p

[exotic wren]

I've been playing for what, 2-3 years and almost caught up to the vets here

[plain saffron]

If we talking whale in AL it's only just skins really

[whole crypt]

skins and oaths

[plain saffron]

Forgot that exists

[whole crypt]

and fleet power people who need even more space and dupes

[exotic wren]

and that one guy that has everyone oathed and 120

[pseudo hearth]

Sure, but it's also much harder to guarantee which ship you get, and you have to wait 2 years for events you missed for certain top ships.

[sweet delta]

come back when you have 300+ level 120 ships

[exotic wren]

that's why I said mostly

[whole crypt]

which is why we recommend spending diligently to guarantee yourself the new URs

[plain saffron]

You just need to know when to give up

Sometimes it's not worth spending 500 cubes on that one elite

[whole crypt]

game totally gives you enough cubes to roll all new URs every year

[pseudo hearth]

Of course, but I don't see how that disproves my statement of Research ships being great for new F2P players.

[plain saffron]

The only drawback is that you need to play the game

[wide marsh]

Dont forget UR exchange

[whole crypt]

research ships are just not great for new players at all, F2P or paying

[plain saffron]

What's the difference between f2p and whale anyway, nobody whale and spend on cubes realistically

[exotic wren]

tbf D30ing a PR and a DR even more so takes almost the same time to stockpile cubes for a UR based on my lazy estimated math

[whole crypt]

if you need to pull dupes for fleet power you're probably buying cubes, but that's not part of the recommended loop

[soft raft]

Only way you can whale for research is the $15 pack but tbh like why
Like ig sure now that PR4 is avaliable you could possibly justify insta Ancho but id rather spend those dollars on other things

[whole crypt]

you're not so much whaling for research, more just paying to catchup

there's no pay2advance new series

[frank pulsar]

p2w cant get you a tenrai
not much point in rushing since youll be staying for gear anyway

[whole crypt]

being a newer player paying buys you time, which is basically the only thing that's really relevant for the game

older players get less and less to buy which is why most of the game's economy is based on selling skins

[lyric stump]

U pay for skins man u not playing the correct azur lan my man

Lmao wut anime were u watching

[sweet delta]

wut go to #al-general man @lyric stump

[lyric stump]

Nah just wonder abt his name

Amd he usually dont active in general

[atomic abyss]

[eager mulch]

ponder somewhere else

[sweet delta]

go to ⁠al-general man

[atomic abyss]

as people said

[lyric stump]

Oki

[atomic abyss]

please ponder somewhere else

if you wanna ask about wut anime they were watching, #off-topic or #anime-manga exist anyways cos i too am curious

[wary timber]

Anything to note of at chapter 12? Is it plane or bomb boat heavy

[inland shoal]

plane "heavy"

[atomic abyss]

"plane heavy"
but easily handled with decent AA

[sweet delta]

bomb boat nearly "nonexistent"

[lyric stump]

Shima coming perma on 18th?

[hollow gust]

#game-news

[lyric stump]

We have game news never know

[eager mulch]

I already asked him #anime-manga message

[wary timber]

Guess I'll find out with my Hazemeyers

[soft raft]

Haze isnt the deciding factor in your AA
it's just the 2nd best backliner AA

it's the vanguard AA that matters for plane heavy content

[atomic abyss]

hazemeyers aren't used to kill planes so uh

it's AA like roomba/bofors that we look at

[soft raft]

roomba/American quad/Italian Twin/Sextuple/UR AA

[eternal moth]

Hazes aren't necessarily for killing planes, but they're still good accelerators for main fleet in addition to the hit

[wary timber]

I only use one of those sextuple bofors guns. The rest of my ships have Hazemeyers. My flagship BBs have STAAGs as recommended. My CVLs have Hazemeyers too

[eternal moth]

Your vanguard needs something besides Hazemeyers

[sweet delta]

vanguard ships should not be using hazemeyer unless you absolutely have no other gold aa guns

[wary timber]

Let's just say I don't have anything better

[soft raft]

You don't even have American Quad bofors?

[eternal moth]

Purple quad bofors would still be better for vanguard

[lyric stump]

Wuts hazmeyer

[wary timber]

I have a few but I ran out of plates cuz I spent those upgrading the sextuple bofors

[bright tusk]

to increase IJN vanguard FP, better use twin 80mm type 98 or twin 134mm?

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_40mm_Bofors_Hazemeyer

[lyric stump]

O this?

Use the upgrade one

[eternal moth]

Do you need AA? Twin 134 if not

[wary timber]

Currently with me farming 11-3 I got a new quad Bofors. So now I have more quad bofors that aren't upgraded than +10 upgraded Hazemeyers

[sweet delta]

ijn gun goes on ONLY azuma or unzen and ONLY when there are no enemy planes

[eternal moth]

Then upgrade them to +6 if you can't upgrade to +10

[wary timber]

Isn't it better to use accelerators cuz some of my vanguard ships don't have good aa to begin with

[atomic abyss]

no

because then you won't kill ANY planes

[whole crypt]

depends on what you mean by "not good AA"

[atomic abyss]

the AA requirement for w12 is incredibly low

[wary timber]

Basically German DDs

[atomic abyss]

z46 has pretty decent AA all things considered tbh...
at least by w12 standards

[wary timber]

Z23, Z47 and Prinz Heinrich

[atomic abyss]

and giving them all even a purple bofor would be better than a hazemeyer

[whole crypt]

47's AA isn't actually that bad
Heinrich as well

if you're at a point where all your vanguard are ships where we'd consider recommending using accelerators you will need a new vanguard
not to mention Unicorn's fighters still exist even if you don't use a second carrier

[wary timber]

Oh I upgraded my main fleets interceptors too

[atomic abyss]

main fleet AA is shit tho
that's partly why we even throw hazemeyers or staags on them

outside of fighters

[wary timber]

Unicorn has flapjacks and Wyverns. Enty now has the VF-17 squadron

[acoustic thistle]

is himeko any good?

i mean wichita meta

[whole crypt]

like most other showdon METAs

[acoustic thistle]

[whole crypt]

NJ and Vanguard actually has decent AA, among other things

[wary timber]

My NJ has +10 STAAG now

[whole crypt]

we just tend to recommend STAAG/Hazemeyer because the HIT helps them more

[wary timber]

So let's say I have my Anshan. What AA guns would u recommend

The tierlist recommends the rainbow bofors. But I wonder if people would say anything else

[lyric stump]

Thats like the best if u have

If u roch but a double 113 works i think idk

No they dont

[strong tartan]

Double roomba would be too slow

[acoustic thistle]

does napoli outdps plymouth or nah

[strong tartan]

Doubt it but needs testing

[inland shoal]

Doesn't look like it

[lyric stump]

Wdym speed run jist get a mob fleet and do auto every month buying 5k oil

[thin haven]

This good?

[lyric stump]

Throw ur sg radar away

Use the stearing thingie

[thin haven]

Alr

[wary timber]

Something like this would be better minus the main gun (only for CB)

[lyric stump]

Also u have the quad torp???

The ib golden one

[thin haven]

Yeah

[lyric stump]

Ya thats a better torp if u have

[lyric stump]

Y that aa on agir...

[wary timber]

Better than a completely unupgraded quad bofors

[lyric stump]

O ok

[strong tartan]

What completely unupgraded quad bofors are you talking about

[lyric stump]

Think he thinking of the american qiad bofors

[strong tartan]

Well yeah

[wary timber]

Still I followed the tierlist on this build so if u wanna blame something, the tierlist is to blame

[lyric stump]

Ok but that aa is for character with top tier aa anyways but it work

[wary timber]

Wait till I can retrofit Sandy and augment her ....

[whole crypt]

in the context of ch12 and 13 roombas are usually enough

[lyric stump]

Kk

[whole crypt]

slower is fine when you have longer range and good alpha

[strong tartan]

Oh really I thought it'd be too slow

[whole crypt]

when you get to 13H and 15 then yes it could be an issue

but at the end of the day if you don't know what you're doing with your accelerators you could just end up being worse than using all roombas

[strong tartan]

Oh that's what confused me

[whole crypt]

in those chapters at least pre-safe you don't want to be bringing AA shitters that warrant accelerators anyway

[sweet delta]

it's not that slow

[stark quiver]

Are accelerators there to fill in for the time the damage AA are reloading

[whole crypt]

no

[wary timber]

So basically I bring freedom into the equation ? (I'm talking US ships)

[whole crypt]

there are USS ships with meh AA and non-USS ships with great AA

[sweet delta]

"accelerators" get at least 0.76s added to their reload time just like roombas do, the difference is not large after

[whole crypt]

the AA circle works as one giant AA gun that adds up the damage of all non-time fuse AA guns and averages the rate of fire on them
what using an accelerator does is when you have AA shitters that don't add good damage using a damage gun, you can use a faster gun to bring down the average ROF

[wary timber]

All the more I should start working on Juneau and Sandy

[whole crypt]

the problem being they don't really make your circle much faster and cut down how much your circle does per cycle

[sweet delta]

i wont recommend juneau when augmented sandy is better even without retro and is a better investment

[wary timber]

I ran out of stuff to build augments with

[whole crypt]

worse when you don't actually know which guns on which ships

[abstract latch]

Are there like any priority list of shipgirls i should retrofit?

[whole crypt]

Unicorn

[sweet delta]

unicorn and portland

[pseudo hearth]

Juneau is arguably only really worth working towards if you also plan to use her for PvP

[abstract latch]

I already have her retrofit

[pseudo hearth]

At this point

[abstract latch]

Ok

[whole crypt]

then Portland, your starter DD, Nelson if you don't already have a better BB

[sweet delta]

portland and your starter dd (one and only one of laffey/z23/javelin)

[twilit sapphire]

how much upgrade is that new pr7 ap gun for musashi compared to existing option ?

[abstract latch]

Ok i only need portland left then, ty guys

[hollow gust]

Not much, at least it doesn't change much

[wary timber]

Interesting.

[stark quiver]

What would be an example of a good reload time in w15 or the average

[whole crypt]

the only "accelerator" you want to use in ch15 outside of STAAG on BBs is rainbow AA

[sweet delta]

an example reload time doesn't say anything

[whole crypt]

the only way to find out your AA ROF would be to calculate it by hand or spreadsheet it anyway, it's not a visible stat and it's not really a stat you need to see in numbers

you either brought enough AA or you didn't

[stark quiver]

For w15 I ran Ur AA , sexy and twin 90 for mob

[whole crypt]

and what ships were they on

[lament bay]

is this used anywhere?

[whole crypt]

basically HE version of yamato gun, niche

[stark quiver]

Guam, shimanto, laff2

[whole crypt]

I'd probably just slap roomba on Laffey for more range

2 mounts of rainbow on Guam is all the "acceleration" you need

[sweet delta]

it's used in one-salvo boss kills like EX or hard arbiter. Or at least it was used against temperance before even more powercreep made mk7 enough damage

[worldly pewter]

because it is the latest content and it is supposed to be challenging to some degree

[soft raft]

Damn bro went back to reply to a month old message that's crazy

[spice phoenix]

what aux equips should i use for JDA?

[sweet delta]

normal defensive auxes

[spice phoenix]

so gold rudder and tool box?

[sweet delta]

with no other context, yes

[spice phoenix]

ok thanks :)

[lyric stump]

Sadly no

[abstract latch]

Is limitbreaking alsace worth?

[atomic abyss]

almost certainly worth prioritising even
it depends on if you have other URs partially limit broken

[pseudo hearth]

What are the Witchita META suggested teams?

[cobalt rapids]

kear yk2 + stuff

[abstract latch]

I don't have any other URs that have been limitbroken

[atomic abyss]

alsace it is then

[abstract latch]

Aite thank u

[atomic abyss]

unless you got an implacable or sth there

[abstract latch]

Nah, i only have new jersey, shinano n mogador

[pseudo hearth]

Why specifically them?

[slender heart]

Good against light

[abstract latch]

Btw are there like a basic wiki guide for this augment stuff?

[vale spindle]

/wiki augmentation

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Augmentation

[abstract latch]

Thank u

[pseudo hearth]

Ah ok, so a light armor focused team. Unfortunately I don’t I have York2 and my Kear is not Dev 30 yet, so I’ll probably have to figure something else out, but I at least have an idea of who to use though.

[slender heart]

Gl

[vale spindle]

3 rainbow bb with he guns pogu

[atomic abyss]

well if you lack york2 and kear isn't ready
triple UR BB might be your way to go

[pseudo hearth]

Ah ok. I mean, I do have Implac.

[obtuse knoll]

any info on next banner?

[atomic abyss]

rerun of HMS Vanguard event as per
#game-news message

so the same ships there

[obtuse knoll]

[eternal basalt]

Stream for next event the day therafter

[forest palm]

4 days, outside of what seems to be their next Yamaha Collab, who knows what else will be in the stream

[eternal basalt]

The July event

[forest palm]

sounds like speculation

[round hare]

is there any info about the whole questline for aslace ?

[eternal basalt]

Same as every other ship

[atomic abyss]

it's always the same few

so tempura, use in battle, mlb, 100 affection etc

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Category:Character_Memories
The missions are the same for everyone but the rewards slightly differ

[round hare]

thank you

[inland shoal]

We need info about E projects, these should now exist for PR 6 right? If you could tell me what BPs they want you to sacrifice in exchange for the gear that'd be great

[agile sky]

Can someone tell me whats the fastest one can get the meta ship from opsi starting from 0?

[sweet delta]

8 days for the 0LB showdown ship

About 25 days for mlb

[still sage]

Could somebody tell me how much time do I need to accumulate 200k exp in ship research? Or Is there a way to accumulate it quicker?

[atomic abyss]

200k or 2 mil

even 2 mil can be done in a day or two so

200k can be done within a few hours

[still sage]

I'm struggling to do this for 2 weeks already and I have only 45% done

[viscid swift]

well where are you farming?

[atomic abyss]

what campaign map are you farming

[still sage]

On normal stages

[atomic abyss]

which

[viscid swift]

which stage exactly

[still sage]

Idk 6.2

[atomic abyss]

yeah that's why

exp grind before w12 is slow as fuck

[viscid swift]

well that's your issue, if you really want efficiency and speed you need to get to W12

[still sage]

I don't have ships maxed up to go further

[viscid swift]

then forget about farming XP for PR ships

[atomic abyss]

which is why you're expected to ignore PR ships till w12

[still sage]

Oh okay

On w12? It's easiest to do?

[atomic abyss]

you can get about 1k exp per ship per battle so yeah it adds up pretty fast

[still sage]

Ok then, ty

[coarse coral]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

use #bot-spam if you're using the command for yourself

[coarse coral]

ah srry

[dawn crest]

Hi, should I level the ships in the dorm to level 100 and then 12-1, or level 90 and then 12-1 farming?

[atomic abyss]

90 is more than enough for w12 assuming you got other ships to carry

[worldly pewter]

i think it is mainly dependent on the ships and the gear ?

[dawn crest]

centaur, perseus, illustrious 100 on main, and DDs lvl 90 achan class in the vanguard

[atomic abyss]

yeah definitely doable assuming safe

[dawn crest]

thanks

[gray obsidian]

Witchita meta fight. Can someone tell me what my Fdg is doing wrong? Or is she just a poor choice for this? Off-flag shelling position.

[atomic abyss]

you're using an AP gun

against a light armoured boss

so instead of the like 120% mod, you're getting 30%

[gray obsidian]

Oh I thought witchita meta was med, since she is a ca

[ivory crown]

im done with 12-4 and cant do 13-1, lacking gear and my oil is overflowing. trying to get better ships as well

what should be my priority and daily grind/oil dump? just auto 12-1 for eagle union points for anchorage and opsi dailies for gear?

[soft raft]

not all ships of the same hulltype share the same armor type

[gray obsidian]

I see, thanks. I'll adjust

[atomic abyss]

yeah expect to park in w12 for a while

could push to 12-4 to farm but that's about it

[soft raft]

yeah at that point you can safely grind
most people just farm W12 anyways, no real point to urgently advance any further

[ivory crown]

kk, who should i research next after anchorage so i know who i should drag for 12-1

also i should just buy for tech points right

[atomic abyss]

fdg if you haven't
otherwise Agir

august if you lack implacable or the IB tech for agir

[tame jungle]

there is currently no way to get fushun and anshan right

[stark quiver]

tech + collection

[atomic abyss]

they are in the gacha

[tame jungle]

so no guaranteed way

[atomic abyss]

aye

[tame jungle]

this is a shit

[eternal moth]

Isn't one of them in guild store?

[stark quiver]

theyre in gacha?

[atomic abyss]

tai yuan iirc

and one of the others

[viscid swift]

no, they're both limited to LNY events

[tame jungle]

guess i'll have to level someone to 120

[ivory crown]

i was told none of my srs were worth raising so should i burn my golden bulins for fleet tech points in raising ib ships

[ocean fiber]

Hi guys I just got agir and I don’t have her main gun but I can have her kronshatad gun. Would that work?

[quartz wyvern]

Hold up. POTRC is Vanguard event?

[viscid swift]

yes

[stark quiver]

whats potrc? the gamer table?

[viscid swift]

Pledge of the Radiant Court

[stark quiver]

ah lol

[quartz wyvern]

When are we theoretically getting a Musashi rerun?

[glass quest]

should I use torp or dive bombers on Hakuryuu‘s third slot? like in general

[atomic abyss]

torp

[quartz wyvern]

Is there a table of UR release orders anywhere?

[dire burrow]

Is there a guide somewhere for opsi fleet gear?

[eternal basalt]

~ End this year

[stark quiver]

opsi itself doesnt have specific gear requirements cuz everythings killable with normal stuff, for bosses, its based on enemy armor

[dire burrow]

O I c. Is there a guide/tier list for best gear for armor types?

[willow dock]

Is data collection B series research project ever worth doing?

[eternal basalt]

Mush - York II - Implac - Bis II - Unzen - Guam/LaffeyII - this year

[stark quiver]

for bbs, guns are usually mk7/mk6 for light
champy guns for heavy/med or 457

cvs is just converging torps for heavy
109g for med
hvarcats for light

[dire burrow]

O ok none of the ur bb guns for bossing?

[stark quiver]

457 is UR u can use that, but itll mess with your timing unless you have 3 of them

[dire burrow]

Ah I c tyty

[remote yarrow]

Nope, only ones worth doing are G,D,Q and if you got cubes (over 400) H

[ocean fiber]

Hay guys which is the best torpedo to give to agir with the ones I have

[stark quiver]

533 improved torps

if you arent trying to sync slow

[remote yarrow]

I'm surprised on how bad your torps are with 500+ pieces of gear
But would say 533 Quints or the Improved Quad mags

[keen sable]

Quad mags I think

600 depot 🐳

[remote yarrow]

Would prefer giving the Improved quads to Laffii

[eager mulch]

im concerned about the dev level of the agir

[remote yarrow]

Yeah, but we don't have any further info sadly they were just asking for torps

[eager mulch]

no agir gun is a red flag to me

[keen sable]

Dw D5 agir > lb0 laffii

[ocean fiber]

The items I have give agir so far

[signal pollen]

what's an accelerator?

[light trail]

does prioritizing research of a ship make their face researches appear more often? ever since i switched from agir to haku after finishing agir catchup i've been getting way more haku faces and havent seen an agir one in a while

[eager mulch]

I knew the agir was bad

[remote yarrow]

Yeah... that agir is not gonna do anything for you besides being deadweight

[noble tulip]

I mean he can always use catchup on agir and get her to dev 15, she'll be usable atleast

[light trail]

ok so coincidence, i see

[ocean fiber]

I was going to use her to replace Eguen

[remote yarrow]

Like I said, without Dev levels she's dead weight

[little tree]

Is your Fleet all MLB?

[keen sable]

Maybe LB0 eugen also...

[noble tulip]

It's not like he's touching opsi any time soon, if he's using her for early campaign it's completely fine

[remote yarrow]

I hope not

[remote yarrow]

He might aswell use a Grey/common

[ocean fiber]

I’m working on dev levels right now and leveling her up

[keen sable]

They have a Shima torp

[remote yarrow]

I would say bench her until Dev 25 at the very least

[noble tulip]

Is this the "every pr ship is worthless" until dev 30 room ?

[keen sable]

My suggestion to you would be to never ever use a ship that isn't MLB

[viscid swift]

considering that Agir isn't even dev 10

[remote yarrow]

Most of them are, there's some exceptions with the tanks being decent enough at 25

[viscid swift]

I would just stick with Eugen

[ocean fiber]

I’m not even used her yet I just got her today. My plan is to level her up before adding her to my fleet

[slender heart]

You know what you're talking about veerra, progressing player don't. You know how to utilize dev 15 agir, they prob don't

[keen sable]

You don't need to put gear on a ship to give them 97 xp books

[ocean fiber]

I’m not sure what you mean there

[keen sable]

Don't use agir. That simple

[ocean fiber]

Not yet correct

[remote yarrow]

Yeah, until she's Dev 25 or so

I'm now curious about your fleets and where are you in campaign

[little tree]

I want to see your dock and fleet setup.

[ocean fiber]

World 12

[noble tulip]

Forget everything I said then

[remote yarrow]

You need help with your fleets?

[ocean fiber]

I’m more focused on getting strong ships from pr season to make my fleet stronger. My next target is anchorage

[eager mulch]

a 3 star agir is not strong

[remote yarrow]

Yeah but the thing with PRs is they take time to be useful

Getting them unlocked is just the start

[little tree]

What Dev Does 200BP Get out on a DR

[eager mulch]

not enough

[remote yarrow]

Like 15?

[eager mulch]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[cobalt rapids]

accelerators are community given name to fast aa guns that are used to boost the fleet average aa rld in theory

[remote yarrow]

oh, nvm 20

[noble tulip]

what's dev 15 agir ehp anw

[cobalt rapids]

good enough to replace most perma tanks

[ocean fiber]

Yeah this is true but it’s worth it isn’t it

[noble tulip]

Then I rest my case

[little tree]

I sitll have Protland as a tank im sure Brest at Dev 20 will be better

[noble tulip]

When I had to clear level 6 abyssals /arbiter in 1st month of lil e, dev 15 agir was doing her job just fine

[remote yarrow]

Well in any case, you need help with something else?

[cobalt rapids]

its why we recc aegir/ancho rush

[ocean fiber]

@remote yarrow I’ve been raising retrofit independence and the latest urs

[light trail]

what i recommend (what i did) is go for anchorage and then coin her every day as well as prio research with pr4 focus

[stark quiver]

back in my day i went with anchorage first then agir

[light trail]

some ppl might recommend against coining 15 times but that's what i did and it saves a lot of time

[remote yarrow]

Indep is pretty good
I'm concerned about the latter part, I'm guessing your are limit breaking them one at a time and not partially right?

[ocean fiber]

Yes

[undone plover]

Anchor into FdG into Agir is prolly best

[silk helm]

no avp??

[cobalt rapids]

DR coining + pr coining + research + mlb, awakenings, gear upgrades which are many isnt really affordable that is why 15 discounts arent rly recommended

[remote yarrow]

That's later, but those 3 are the highest prios

[viscid swift]

esepcially when PR4 gets retired and you'll have to coin up FDG, Agir, and Hakuryu

[noble tulip]

avp is nowhere near the top in prio

[silk helm]

[remote yarrow]

PR4 Retired?

Like the recommendation to start with PR4?

[cobalt rapids]

as in no more focus recc start for newbies

[viscid swift]

all the ships get coining and gear goes into the lab

[remote yarrow]

[undone plover]

Prolly even higher focus to unlock but not focus for research

[viscid swift]

not too much point in doing PR4 research focus at that point

Sam will definitely need to upgrade the fleet tech guide at that point

[silk helm]

is there an estimation on when pr4 get retired

[atomic abyss]

what

[viscid swift]

late January next year

[silk helm]

kay we still got some time. i'll keep my focus on pr4

[noble tulip]

Which pr season would get prio then

[cobalt rapids]

5

[ocean fiber]

What do you mean by pr4 being retired

[viscid swift]

probably PR5 for research focus

[remote yarrow]

#gameplay-help message

[ocean fiber]

So all the gear for pr4 can be in gear lab

[viscid swift]

you'll also stop seeing PR4 researches unless you focus the season

[remote yarrow]

Yeah but that won't happen any time soon

Like cheeky said, probably Jan 2025

[viscid swift]

it's imminent though and the shift in recommendations will start before it drops

[sweet delta]

key word is "can"

[cobalt rapids]

probably pr5 focus start should be recc earlier

[sweet delta]

last i checked there's no sardenga tab in gear lab

[viscid swift]

oh right, the Italians don't have a section in the lab yet

[remote yarrow]

Poor pizza ships

[viscid swift]

knowing Manjuu they'll probably add it at the same or something

[quartz wyvern]

Zara superiority.

[little tree]

What level are then Enemies on W11 Hard

[quartz wyvern]

Retrofits don't give tech points, right?

[sweet delta]

/wiki chapter 11h

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki chapter 11

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chapter_11

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Jul 14, 2024, 9:42 PM

[remote yarrow]

[viscid swift]

they do not

[sweet delta]

renhex

[quartz wyvern]

Bummer.

[viscid swift]

speaking of which, Renhex, where's my Vit-2s

[remote yarrow]

Who's renhex

[stark quiver]

hauu nanodesu

[cobalt rapids]

before breguettes

[viscid swift]

the one from PR5 is what I mean

[cobalt rapids]

wtf

[strange sphinx]

the white tb?

[cobalt rapids]

oh thanks, i did oopsi ehe

[quartz wyvern]

About how many META battles can you miss and still collect everything?

I missed like 3 days' worth of OpSi this month.

[remote yarrow]

3 days probably won't matter

[viscid swift]

you can miss like a week or 2 and still get everything

[quartz wyvern]

Cool.

How come the red tip torpedoes are recommended for w15 sub fleets as opposed to the other stuff that is available?

[remote yarrow]

Bidders are just better than other options

[slender heart]

No. Just easier to work with than g7e

[remote yarrow]

For specifics Suchi knows better

[quartz wyvern]

There's also literally no point to max a wolfpack fleet if I have Murican subs?

[signal pollen]

Are there any examples of this? like retrofit sandy maybe? but that's 15% chance to.

[cobalt rapids]

it refers to guns no to ships
aa ships are usually differentiated between carry and w.e

[remote yarrow]

AA carries like Sandy,Guam,Shimanto, Laffii prefer high alpha dmg AA guns rather than accelerators

[signal pollen]

I thought team comps for 12+ for boss fleet was (3 mains), one tank, two aa

[quartz wyvern]

Did SDR's augment kick her into t0?

[remote yarrow]

Wasn't Sandy already T0

[little tree]

no she was T1/T0 and is no EX i think