gameplay-help

[lament bay]

do u know if pamiat merkuria meta slow would work for nakhimov?

[finite crag]

What do you get for retiring a ur

[kind needle]

This okayish or not?

[whole crypt]

Pamiat META is not a NP ship

[sharp socket]

the METAs are their own faction iirc

[whole crypt]

basic rule of thumb, current state of the game none of the META ships retain the faction of the original ship

[lament bay]

damn that sucks; i heard in a video that she was an option

[spring bolt]

time to unsubscribe

[whole crypt]

did they mean OG Pamiat

youtube is full of rubbish takes anyway

[worldly pewter]

i don't think a youtuber would say such an obvious misinformation though

[whole crypt]

may have meant OG Pamiat, may just be 🚮 regardless

right now I don't think there's any strong candidates for a NP slow to go with Nakhimov in a meta boss setup

[lament bay]

oh they said retrofit i misheard my bad

[lament bay]

i was thinking to put her in shinano fleet with kazagumo sirius then a NP tank that slows

[inland shoal]

Too bad you can't have cross fleets in meta

[whole crypt]

for actually hard content it's mostly Kronshtadt but she doesn't slow on own fleet, even Tallinn is kind of sus so you're not really flush with options

[whole crypt]

I just meant generally hard boss fights, not just showdowns

[steady beacon]

Oh neat, so it's confirmed that cross-fleets count for Nakhi

[inland shoal]

You should read more of my msgs smh

[full pumice]

whatever happened to that weird gamemode where you raise a child?
i have vague memories of it but i cant find it anywhere

[inland shoal]

Project Identity, it's where Dorm and Cats are

[full pumice]

what is it even about anyway?

[inland shoal]

Raising a child

[full pumice]

yeppers thought so

[inland shoal]

Hmm well with cross fleet you have Kron and Soyuz

[whole crypt]

I guess Kronshtadt works if you're not using a 4-strike timing

[inland shoal]

Yeah 4 strike your first strike is gonna suffer

[lament bay]

well since the 60% slow is delayed you dont necessarily need another NP slower no

for ex Ark royal slows by 8s but if shes synched then u dont rly use the first seconds

[whole crypt]

soyuz's cross barrage timing is just too slow otherwise

all I can say maybe future NP ships will help Nakhimov out, as it is she's not going anywhere for my OS fleets since I stopped using CVs anyway

[inland shoal]

You need an NP slower to get the stun at all

[whole crypt]

if you don't go for the stop it's just not worth bothering with Nakhimov over sticking with Implacable

[lament bay]

is nakhimov worth over AvP?

[whole crypt]

just for the sake of consistency I'd say no

[steady beacon]

I can't possibly read every one of your messages
Also, the "flawed" status is permanently inflicted, yes?

[lament bay]

bc 60% slow can still make u miss stuff over AvP stop?

[undone plover]

yes

[sterile jolt]

When this skill is up. Like 5 seconds only, with another NP slow

[whole crypt]

there's no stated duration for flawed

[sterile jolt]

No way it works permanently

[boreal wagon]

as far as i could tell from datamining there is nothing that ever removes flawed

[whole crypt]

there you go

I believe that was the conclusion yesterday as well

the question is what do you use to apply flawed

[whole crypt]

it's not the first time we had a ship apply permanent debuffs anyway
flawed also doesn't do anything outside of interacting with Nakhimov

[steady beacon]

Basically, it's not a problem at all in OpSi

Just like META and CM

[boreal wagon]

honestly if it did expire it would make the whole situation even worse so it not expiring makes sense

[whole crypt]

you could technically count on Kronshtadt crossfleet if you use 20-ish second timings on CV fleet

[undone plover]

u could just forego it for the first strike even with 16s strikes

[whole crypt]

if you go for 4 strikes the yes

but 4 strikes in OS with full rainbow is just full blown overkill regardless

[gentle gale]

Should i make a 2nd gearlab ur dd gun? Already got 3 wyverns, cuz having a 2nd UR baguette AA doesn't seem worth for the mats farmed

[whole crypt]

second rainbow AA is useful if you are going into 15

[undone plover]

how many mk7 u have?

[steady beacon]

Why are you going for 16s strikes though

[whole crypt]

fast strike comps are closer to 18s

[undone plover]

i cant with my RLD tech anyway
i just meant in theory

[whole crypt]

still going to be faster than Kronshtadt's cross for first hit

[gentle gale]

Isee² so when weighing in w15 which is better to craft

[steady beacon]

Let me go look

[sterile jolt]

We need some test xd

[whole crypt]

depends on how many DDs gun slots you end up using, there's still tashkent gun et al to fall back on before your second rainbow gun
if you were around for Alsace there's also mog gun

[boreal wagon]

we dont need test if we know the code for the debuff

there is nothing in the gamws code that ever removes the tag for flawed

once applied it stays

[whole crypt]

how does the skill check for when to apply flawed?

[boreal wagon]

on the skills of the ships that slow

[steady beacon]

OK, just to check
"Cracked" is applied 1.5s after Nakhi launches her airstrike and the check for "flawed" is at point of application?

[boreal wagon]

for instance if soyuz slows she applies flawed

[steady beacon]

Not at point of airstrike

[whole crypt]

like does it check whenever a slow skill is applied or is it just checking for specific skill procs

[boreal wagon]

flawed is applied by whatever ship that does the initial slowing so ex soyuz barrage hitting

then when nakhimov hits said flawed enemy it checks the tag if it exists it freezes

nakhimov herself mever applies the flawed state

so technically it also gets applied if she isnt even in the fleet

[whole crypt]

so if a NP ship has a slow skill and Nakhimov is there, the skill applies flawed?

[boreal wagon]

even if she isnt there itll apply the tag

[steady beacon]

[boreal wagon]

which makes sense since flawed doesnt do anything by itself anyway

[whole crypt]

is this tag new?

[boreal wagon]

yes

[whole crypt]

so they just slapped it on all of the NP slow skills?

[plain saffron]

the other ship apply the flawed, they edit their skills

[boreal wagon]

what nagami said yes

[whole crypt]

[steady beacon]

Fascinating

[boreal wagon]

it makes way more sense to do it this way from a data analysis point of view

[steady beacon]

Well, imo that's fine anyway
Far as I can see, with a reasonably timed Nakhi, cross-fleet Soy lands her barrage with time to spare

[boreal wagon]

because you have to check way less variables

[whole crypt]

soyuz crossfleet shouldn't land before Nakhimov's first airstrike

[steady beacon]

Well, then obviously we are running different plane setups

[inland shoal]

Yes

[whole crypt]

wait what's soyuz's crossfleet timing again, I keep thinking it's like 20s or something

[inland shoal]

Even if the slower sinks it stays

[cedar willow]

i need team to farm XP Lab for FdG

[inland shoal]

18

[whole crypt]

we likely do, I consistently had carriers on 4-strike setups when I still used them

[cedar willow]

should i up Seydlitz/Alvitr/Bis1?

[steady beacon]

It lands at precisely 01:10 on the Arbiter battle timer
Which does indeed match an 18-second timer

[boreal wagon]

i do however see one issue with the approach that they went for because they could simply forget to add the flawed tag to newer NP ships lol

[steady beacon]

I run 4-strike too
Who doesn't
Still just different planes

[whole crypt]

if 18 I guess it can match carriers, since it's instant

[inland shoal]

Sounds pretty expensive on gold bulins

[whole crypt]

Kronshtadt is 20s I think? and has projectile

[inland shoal]

Yes

[cedar willow]

so which ships for main fleet? orr only Graf Zepp?

[whole crypt]

so Soyuz cross is now the most consistent source of flawed for Nakhimov setup... I guess that works fine for OS then

[inland shoal]

It's not instant, it takes 0.01s still

[whole crypt]

all is fine then, not that I use carrier boss fleet anymore

[steady beacon]

Makes life easy, for OpSi at least

[inland shoal]

I think I'd go GZ, Seyd and Weser if you wanna save bulins

[steady beacon]

More curious what/whether we'll concoct anything involving Nakhi stop for future META

[whole crypt]

unless there's a setup where you'll want to bring Soyuz and Nakhimov unlikely

[inland shoal]

Also why not? I only type relevant things

[spring bolt]

i've been playing with the simulation, looks like the flawed isn't perma

[cedar willow]

oh, is Weser that good? im goi to farm at 12-1

[whole crypt]

when/how does it wear off then

[steady beacon]

Sometimes I have to sleep

[south sequoia]

No its more like you just dont really have any other options outside weser

[whole crypt]

wesser isn't good but for PR grind you're just looking at picking any 3 ships that will actually get you XP

[inland shoal]

Weser isn't great, but neither is Bisko, 12-1 is just relatively easy and ship strength doesn't matter much for cdc

[spring bolt]

seems when tash slow disappears, flawed is gone as well but im not 100% sure

[undone plover]

bisko is at least BB FP

[south sequoia]

That too, weser is also cheaper to get up and running
Weser also helps with the airspace so your team can get a few buffs while running

[inland shoal]

And then when you wake up you do from: Thorin and enjoy

[whole crypt]

Wesser is actually worse because her tech is useless

[inland shoal]

Yes, but they don't look like they have 7 gold bulins at the ready to waste on BB FP

[whole crypt]

I'd just pick up either Scharnhorst or Gneisenau whichever was in core shop

[inland shoal]

You mean cuz they have good tech?

[plain saffron]

[whole crypt]

it's 12-1 either of the Scharnhorsts is enough

[inland shoal]

I don't understand, who do you want to replace with a Scharnhorst? Weser? Why

[whole crypt]

not Wesser, Bismarck or whichever SR besides Graf

[inland shoal]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[whole crypt]

you're going to want to save the coin anyway even if you have the bulins, FdG takes a huge chunk out for day6

[spring bolt]

looks like the stopping effect has a obvious visual effect: a big red circle under the affected targets, and the targets will remain in the circle for about 2.5s, as skill description
but when i waited for a few seconds till tash's slow is gone, no red circle and the target kept moving

[shell willow]

[boreal wagon]

have you actually let nakhimov apply her slow again after tash expires

[cedar willow]

so how 'bout zeppy?

[spring bolt]

why? i mean, you want to test if her own slow can trigger the stopping effect?

[steady beacon]

This is the in-game simulation right

[spring bolt]

yes

[boreal wagon]

only her own slow actually triggers the stopping effect

if nahkimov's slow is applied to a flawed enemy it stops
not the other way arround

so to test if flawed expires youd have to hit the enemy again after tash slow has expired

[spring bolt]

yeah, but flawed effect is applied when another NP ship applies slow effect

[spring bolt]

exactly what i did

[boreal wagon]

correct and to test if it expires youd have to test if when nakhimov hits with her own slow after the other NP slow expires if it still stops, thats all my question was

[spring bolt]

wait, hit "again"?

[boreal wagon]

re-apply nakhimovs slow

[spring bolt]

skill description doesn't require that

[boreal wagon]

it does

it states that nakhimovs slow becomes a stop if the enemy is flawed

[spring bolt]

let me check EN wording

[steady beacon]

As far as I can tell uh... it should work as described
-Slow by NP ship is applied inflicts "flawed" forever, regardless of whether the applied slow vanishes
-Whenever Nakhi launches an airstrike, all "flawed" enemies are stopped

[boreal wagon]

correct

[steady beacon]

I can upload some recordings later if needed to help clarify

[silver lintel]

We approaching yugioh card text lol

[steady beacon]

[boreal wagon]

i have also just verified with simulation that it does indeed not expire

[cyan sierra]

Not even close.

[steady beacon]

Thank God I stopped just before card effects read like novels

[inland shoal]

Zeppy works, but has no tech at all and not even tech points

[cyan sierra]

Yugioh ruling book is several times the size of a law book at this point.

[inland shoal]

#yu-gi-oh

[spring bolt]

well in the sim, the behavior is:
when tash slow is effective, the stopping effect triggers on 1st airstrike
when tash slow is applied and gone, stopping effect is not triggered

[inner delta]

[boreal wagon]

thats just wrong

i have just had nakhimov hit an enemy that was slowed but had the slow expire

and the stop effect still occured

[spring bolt]

alright, guess i have to make videos anyway

[cyan sierra]

The only good option for now is just Soy, for META fights. Other than that is wait and pray for good NP slower in the future, hopefully vanguard one at that.

[undone plover]

are you perhaps striking new enemies that spawn after tash summon expires?

[undone plover]

yeah i am having a similar experience to MrLar
the debuff doesnt go away

[boreal wagon]

it obviously doesnt work if you are striking an enemy that has never been slowed

[plain saffron]

why deosn't it play

[inland shoal]

Is this a still for anyone else?

[spring bolt]

you can start at 50s

[south sequoia]

How are people accessing simulations with the pr ships by the way?

[plain saffron]

in dockyard

[gritty gull]

is there a way to get rid of this?

[inland shoal]

I just see the same image for 1 minute

[inland shoal]

Nope

[plain saffron]

no

[south sequoia]

Ah wait, nakhimov simulation vanguard is ran with tashkent?

[inland shoal]

(Except typing 792236 into that field ofc)

[spring bolt]

damn... need to upload to streamable i guess

[whole crypt]

the point is it's there to make sure you don't accidentally scrap stuff

[undone plover]

that is weird ngl.... could be bugged in CN? you are on CN right?

[inland shoal]

Nah it's same for CN

[inland shoal]

It's dumb that it's on LBs though...3 times in a row...

[spring bolt]

https://streamable.com/x556ap

[plain saffron]

huh

[spring bolt]

i guess that's why? sc from MrLar's video

[whole crypt]

that it is, it's not like the game doesn't know how to prioritize dupes over bulins

[shell lantern]

How 2 get tech points

[whole crypt]

/fleettech

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: How do I get more fleet technology points?
You get fleet tech points by:

1. Collecting the ship (~20%)
2. Max Limit Breaking it (~45%)
3. Achieving level 120 (~35%)

-Higher rarity ships gives more fleet tech pts .
-Heavier ship hulls also gives more fleet tech pts: CV=BB>CA>CL>DD

Side notes:
-PR ships give more fleet tech pts than normal but follow the above formula with development 30 replacing MLB.
-META ships are considered a separate META faction. They give same bonuses as their non-META versions.
-Collab ships, Muse and little versions of ships e.g. Li'l Sandy, Clevelad and Lena etc do not give any fleet tech pts.
-Iron Blood faction ships receive double the normal tech points compared to other nations.

For more information and exact amounts, consult the wiki

[boreal wagon]

honestly i cant tell you why it didnt stop them for you

i cannot repo that at all

[inland shoal]

Maybe your visual effects just bugged? Cuz it didn't move for quite a bit there (No clue if long enough)

[spring bolt]

look at the SC above, seems the slow barrage hit right before the stopping skill procced

[boreal wagon]

it did move earlier than it was supposed to but it also got nudged by another enemy so its kinda hard to say

[elfin thunder]

Does Kronstadt cross fleet slow work with Admiral Nakhimov?

[boreal wagon]

yes

[quartz wyvern]

So... Everytime I accumulate a surplus of oil, I get the urge to want to make progress in the campaign. Anyone free to look at my dock and gear to see if I can take on 15-3?

[undone plover]

also best to check w15 command if u havent already

[boreal wagon]

eitherway i think its safe to say that unless the game shits itself somehow the flawed status is permanent

which for all intents and purposes should be 99.99% of the time

[elfin thunder]

So, I can just use Kronstadt is an other fleet And i’ll be fine?

[boreal wagon]

timings might be an issue since kron's barrage doesnt hit instantly

[quartz wyvern]

I think I'm missing some key OP ships like Musashi and Vanguard to make it easier.

[elfin thunder]

Izumo

[undone plover]

i tried again and even waited 15 seconds after tash summon goes away
still applies the freeze

[inner delta]

vanguard isn't one of the ship use for 15, and musashi can just try run other UR bb

[undone plover]

that is fine then make a thread and post your dock and current fleets

[inner delta]

if you aren't full clearing prolly will be fine

[undone plover]

@spring bolt fwif both times for u when it fails it is on the BB boss.... can she resist slow?
let me check with the BB in my simulation

[whole crypt]

what about Izumo

[crisp obsidian]

Does duration of build in minutes affect rarity/type of ship or is it just a funny number?

[plain saffron]

each ship have their own

[keen sable]

Yes actual length means something

[quartz wyvern]

W15-3 fleet recommendations...

[whole crypt]

JP just had a hotfix supposdly Nakhimov red skill

[plain saffron]

usually bigger displacement have longer time

[crisp obsidian]

Can I find a chart somewhere?

[plain saffron]

//wiki build 1st one

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Building
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bulldog
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bulldog/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bulldog/Gallery

Jul 12, 2024, 11:34 AM

[undone plover]

well even testing on the BB boss the freeze works 100%

must be bugged in dfg's client or sth not sure

[spring bolt]

but yeah, CN did received a hot "fix"

[boreal wagon]

yeah the fix nnt mentioned all 3 clients had already

[plain saffron]

did anyone test before EN get their patch?

[boreal wagon]

nop

[whole crypt]

well I just saw the update prompt because I wasn't looking at AL

[boreal wagon]

but CNs patch is like 2 hours older than ours

[plain saffron]

bcs EN get patch 1h ago so prob fixed in EN

hmm

[whole crypt]

I'm still in the middle of mirishita anniversary hell to actually be concerned about AL

JP stream next week

[wary timber]

Btw. Can the prototype Tenrai intercept planes or is just a bomber

[shell lantern]

ok

[boreal wagon]

it is plausible that that patch fixed the issue tho given that it did touch that logic

[whole crypt]

DB no interception

[spring bolt]

https://streamable.com/zfs9xp
just made new video, which is more obvious

[plain saffron]

somehow EN gets less changes

[sudden narwhal]

what teams are best for levelling ships?

[inland shoal]

The patch looks like it made it non permanent

[plain saffron]

CN and JP same, does it works in jp

[wary timber]

Then what are those 20 and 30mm cannons on it for ...

[plain saffron]

i guess now the 1.5s delay make sense?

[spring bolt]

can anyone post a video that the stopping effect being perma? time to raise a riot in CN and i need some proof

[novel solstice]

When it goes on a bombing run, if there are enemy planes on the screen, it shoots them (as does any dive bomber or torp bomber).

It will not do the "automatically launch to shoot enemy planes" thing that fighters do -- that's what we normally call "interception", and is a thing only a couple of non-fighters are capable of.

[boreal wagon]

i did post one, but our current theory is that it was made non perma in CN and JP and EN just somehow hasnt gotten that yet

[wary timber]

I see

[whole crypt]

find someone else playing JP to test I still have about 50 more songs to play

[plain saffron]

ouh so the BBV restrictions are actually for the TB

[undone plover]

are there any BBV with TB slots anyway?

[plain saffron]

not yet

does hyuuga use tb?

[boreal wagon]

but all retro BBVs have torp bombers in their slot definitions

[spring bolt]

well, the target in your video doesn't move in the first place so some picky guys may refuse to admit it
anyway, i will not bring it to CN community for now and see how it goes

[crisp obsidian]

Fleet optimization

[boreal wagon]

fair enough but the visual indicator is technically there

[undone plover]

gimme a sec uploading now

[boreal wagon]

what is weird is that the patch for EN technically also makes the tag non permanent

but somehow i just cannot repo that at all

[undone plover]

https://streamable.com/pgzb0r

[spring bolt]

having an indicator doesn't necessarily means stopping effect being there sorry just being careful

[boreal wagon]

ye its fair

[spring bolt]

thanks mate!

[sudden narwhal]

how important is operation siren to the game's progression?

i havent played it at all despite lvl89

[undone plover]

very important since it is a huge source of gold plates and end game gear

[sudden narwhal]

oh

[whole crypt]

besides being a main gold plate source you cannot enhance +13 without OS plates

also gear lab is a large part of endgame gearing

[boreal wagon]

afair all retro BBVs can technically equip all planes except fighters its just that hull restrictions give them 0 TBs and 0 DBs

[sudden narwhal]

oh

[inland shoal]

It's strange

[sudden narwhal]

whats the best team for lvling ships?

[whole crypt]

what chapter are you at

[keen sable]

One that doesn't die

[sudden narwhal]

12

[whole crypt]

then just anything that survives repeating a stage in ch12

[sudden narwhal]

so thats the only way huh

[boreal wagon]

its is insanely strange like sure our patch is smaller but the onRemove triggers are very much there

[whole crypt]

generally yes

[plain saffron]

i have something stupid

[keen sable]

You would be fine if you left unicorn in there the entire game

[sudden narwhal]

aight so i guess ill just burn all my oil then

[inland shoal]

EN might still work for the dumbest reason ever

[plain saffron]

can someone repair assets and try testing it again

[boreal wagon]

i am doing that rn

it did download like 50 MB so its plausible

[plain saffron]

man that's so stupid

[boreal wagon]

yeah it no longer is permanent

[shell willow]

bruh if its not even permanent thats so bad

[inland shoal]

[undone plover]

[boreal wagon]

EN moment lmao

[inland shoal]

Naga you do the honours

[plain saffron]

they didn't change version number and the update didn't go through to us

[whole crypt]

if it's not perm what does it remove on now

[boreal wagon]

when the slow expires

[inland shoal]

It goes away when the slow goes away

So she only stops ships that are currently being slowed by a different NP ship

Which is omegalul

[boreal wagon]

so if tash slow expires for instance it removes the tag again

which makes an already annoying effect to deal with even worse ngl

[sudden narwhal]

is there a difference between lvling at 12-1 and 12-3?

[inland shoal]

But yeah they forgot to increment the version number for EN, so our games were like "Is there an update? Ah same version number, nothing new here"

[whole crypt]

well Nakhimov bad now pitchfork time

[undone plover]

12-1 easier and more efficient for xp

[sudden narwhal]

what do you mean efficient?

[whole crypt]

12-1 is more oil efficient for XP

[steady beacon]

[plain saffron]

more exp per oil

[sudden narwhal]

oh i see ty

[steady beacon]

Just to check, the La-9 IS equippable on Kear now right
That did NOT change?

[inland shoal]

Yes

[steady beacon]

OK, thank goodness

[keen sable]

Yes but nothing meaningful

[plain saffron]

instead the vit can't now

[inland shoal]

Not like it could before

[steady beacon]

[plain saffron]

so EN get the wrong one for both

[inland shoal]

Nah the VIT might have been able to go on Hyuuga idfk. Just not on Kear

[boreal wagon]

it would have fit on all retro BBVs

[plain saffron]

too bad it's not this patch, else we can put it on them and have rare collector item

ouh right nobody can get it anyway

[inland shoal]

Yeah sadly

[boreal wagon]

tbf it wouldnt be impossible for them to force unequip it

[plain saffron]

i doubt they will

[boreal wagon]

yeah not exactly worth the effort

[plain saffron]

that would requires them paying attention to EN

[boreal wagon]

even if they did its such a "minor" deal that they probably still wouldnt

[sweet merlin]

what to do in opsi after completing it for the month?

[inland shoal]

Farm c5

[plain saffron]

spam c5

[sweet merlin]

wdym c5?

[plain saffron]

corrosion 5 zone

[sweet merlin]

secured?

[plain saffron]

you can't spam other zone anyway so yes

[sweet merlin]

why not c6?

[whole crypt]

c5 costs less

[plain saffron]

higher cost, same amount of cat nodes

[whole crypt]

also when you say "complete" is that every last coordinate item bought and cleared and all zones secured

[plain saffron]

technically there's c3/1 but that would require so much time

[sweet merlin]

not all cord iteam bought and i left the arbiter untouched but yea, all boses claed and strong holds cleared

[whole crypt]

clear out the hiddens as well

and don't forget voucher exchange

[boreal wagon]

@spring bolt btw dunno if anyone else let you know already but it is indeed not meant to be permanent on our end either they just messed up version numbering so we didnt really get the patch automatically

[spring bolt]

good to know, thanks mate
yostar fucked up moment, i guess

[quartz wyvern]

What's the purpose of running a homing beacon and a elite aviation thingy?

[tame jungle]

timing adjustment

[undone plover]

in campaign to stagger the airstrikes so they dont hit water

[inland shoal]

Running both at the same time (on the same ship) serves zero purpose

[sweet merlin]

what comp do you use for 15 meta boss battle

[quartz wyvern]

Also, why would you not use 2x +13 flapjacks and run a 13 and a 10 on the same ship?

Sorry, I'm just trying to understand a loadout recommendation.

[undone plover]

ppl dont usually +13 flapjacks
if u do have 2 +13 flaps i suppose it is better to spread the extra dmg but ngl wont make much difference so run em however u want

[crimson glacier]

there is no difference between +13 and +10

[tiny gulch]

should i swap to another CDC1 so i can keep grinding

[crimson glacier]

i wouldnt

[tiny gulch]

never did it that way but curious if anyone else is

[shell willow]

in AA abilities? or what does this mean

[tame jungle]

it's just gonna put off the cdc 2 unlock so i wouldn't do that

[crimson glacier]

in anything, +13 just does more dmg but it doesnt change anything important

[tiny gulch]

i only have 1.5m of overcap for sandiego left and still need like 82? affinity so i was thinking of going for someone else and coming back to halford later

[inland shoal]

It really makes no difference in the end, so if you wanna keep grinding for cdc now you can

[crimson glacier]

overcap doesnt matter for anything

[tiny gulch]

kinda true, i hate grinding affinity at 125 3m though

[undone plover]

just stop grinding until cdc2 unlocks then start again

[tiny gulch]

idk why i didn't oath sandy years ago, i oathed every other rainbow

[quartz wyvern]

Is Napoli a Zara class?

[undone plover]

she is her own class in game
idk about history and WoW

[quartz wyvern]

Forgot just about every ship actually existed IRL. Regina Elena, I guess.

[undone plover]

if u dont mind a bit of reading https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=40597727&rand=394

basically antilight stuff with tanky enough vanguard to survive the chains

[proud quarry]

15-4 help

[nova halo]

no

[dawn crest]

There's no fast way to farm for PR XP? Even spending 5k oil, I get only 10-12% per day.

[tame jungle]

where are you farming, what are you using

[whole crypt]

sounds like bad comp in bad stage

[dawn crest]

12-4, nano, amagi, fusou

[whole crypt]

for Hakuryuu CDC?

[dawn crest]

yes

[whole crypt]

that's like 15 runs of 12-4, should be closer to 50% by this point

[dawn crest]

47% at the moment

[whole crypt]

for 5k oil sounds about right

[dawn crest]

How many more runs should I do?

[whole crypt]

eh, main fleet with MVP flag should be around 12% every 3 runs if boss fleet also fulfills

maybe closer to 10% if no morale bonus

XP grind for DR ships costing around 30k total is the right ballpark

[dawn crest]

i don't have jn ships for boss yet

only for mob fleet

[whole crypt]

if you want better oil eff do 12-1 but it'll be less XP per run

[dawn crest]

thanks for the tips

[keen sable]

Ijn has houshou

[whole crypt]

I did that 3 years ago, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for everyone

[strange sphinx]

hmmm 13-1 have more exp than 12-1 or it is kind of small that just farm 12-1?

[forest palm]

13-1 will give more flat xp, but 12-1 will give more overall due to oil efficiency

[strange sphinx]

same goes for 12-4 and 13-4?

[forest palm]

13-4 is more so for coin than xp, so yes in a way

[knotty dome]

which E research are good? (collection)

[exotic wren]

I forgot, 100-110 ships receive the same amount of exp as 110-120 ships in the same map right?

[strange sphinx]

[whole crypt]

the 2hr ones that ask you to scrap gear, not good, just not rubbish if there's no better options

[knotty dome]

thanks

[forest palm]

I've been taking the ones that ask for purple gear boxes as well

normally wouldn't recommend it, but if you have the boxes to spare

[whole crypt]

only the scrap variety drops PR pool

the box ones should be specific print only?

[exotic wren]

That's uh not what I meant

[forest palm]

believe so

[whole crypt]

what do you mean then, ship level doesn't affect how much XP they get from a map

[exotic wren]

Ye that's what I'm asking, Dankeeeeeeeee

[plain saffron]

unless you mean commander level

[exotic wren]

Nope just ship, I was conflicted whether to send them in 12-4 or 13-4

[whole crypt]

12-4 is better XP/oil and faster fights
13-4 requires better ships no idea what you're using though

[exotic wren]

I was planning to send in Juneau and Shimanto with Aquila and Volga

[strange sphinx]

[exotic wren]

I'm sure that Juneau can get me thru plane hell I forgot if Shimanto got enough AA to hardcarry

[forest palm]

sounds like a waste of time....

[undone plover]

u are probably mixing it up with commander xp
commander xp needs enemies to be at a certain level for more efficiency
but commander xp doesnt matter so

[exotic wren]

Oh, I'm at 125 rn does that make much difference

[undone plover]

should be fine for ch12
u will gain 50% commander xp fwif but just ignore it it doesnt matter rly

actually u will still gain 100% so nvm

[kindred arrow]

If you don't care about getting a particular ship's BPs 1:30 G has better efficiency than purple face right?

[undone plover]

for ship BP no
for gear BP yeah

[kindred arrow]

Ah
I'm trying to build ship BPs oops

[undone plover]

then D > G research but i wouldnt take 5h PR face personally since i also care about the gear

[kindred arrow]

Hmmm I see
This is also true for 8h D?

It seems too long and you only get like 3-5 bps iirc?

[viscid swift]

it's not the most efficient but it gives you better consistency since you can't guarantee to chain multiple 2.5 H face researches

[undone plover]

8h D is still more efficient than G research for ship BP yeah

but yeah if u compare D research they are all about the same (2.5h is slightly more eff per hour)
I personally prefer shorter research unless it is like my last ship left in the season and I want to finish them fast
I could be wrong tho

[kindred arrow]

I see I see Blue first, then the others, then short Gs to refresh
Thanks guys, I return to research grind more knowledgeable

[undone plover]

this link has more detail if u want to read it on your own https://pasokau.com/manual_psyencelabo
u can also check this site https://azur-stats.lyoko.io/research5-blueprints if u prefer english

[uncut oar]

with pr7 ships out, if I'm halfway to Hinden and not particularly pressed to get any pr6/7 ship because I have at least something to use for their roles, would you still say I should ditch Hinden and go to pr7? I'm definitely finishing my 43/50 hindengun first because it's 7 prints

I know I've been told before it's probably better to just go for pr7 but that was before actual stats

[hushed cliff]

How’s the F4U Pirate vs the gold Hellcat generally speaking

[forest palm]

Gold Corsair isn't worth the cores

[viscid swift]

it's a straight upgrade but only an intermediate one, so it's a waste of core data

[viscid swift]

like half the prints to dev 30 her?
I'd go hard on gear focus, get the last blueprints needed for the gun and move to PR7

[forest palm]

when you can turn a Hellcat into a Tigercat, or just make a Flapjack, the Gold Corsair is just a bad buy

[undone plover]

but he asked about hellcat not corsair

[hushed cliff]

yeah I know I need to get some flapjacks. I just need to play operation siren more

[forest palm]

F4U is a corsair

[uncut oar]

that's what I'm thinking aswell yeah. Hinden won't be d30 for a long time, she may aswell not exist to me atm

[undone plover]

oh wait nvm there is a pirate version . wiki names again

[forest palm]

[left cedar]

kinda, this thing is useless and hella expensive, so no reason to remember

[forest palm]

yup

[left cedar]

useless, cuz no reason to spend 800 core to something marginally better than hellcat, and worse than 1000lb fighters

[forest palm]

I forgot when the VF-17 lost relevance, might actually been when they added the Tigercat

[tame jungle]

it used to be a top fighter but it's not 2019 anymore

[forest palm]

not even a flex it's just a sad reminder

[tame jungle]

viva la vida starts playing

[nova halo]

does stronghold only spawn once per week?

[forest palm]

yes

[nova halo]

damn

[forest palm]

you get 2 to start the month off with, and then it's a once per week

[nova halo]

that's so ass, i thought it was twice per week

[uncut oar]

it's not really "ass" when there's still more than enough resources on the table to buy out everything like twice over in the ports per month

[undone plover]

abyssals are better anyway

[forest palm]

realistically? if you're looking for high density loot either works, Abyssal are better in the regard of have UR mats in their table, but you'll push more Tokens, and Coins from strongholds

[uncut oar]

I do abyssals too but if I am short on tokens specifically to buy stuff the first place I look is stronghold

[whole crypt]

abyssal is better for being faster to clear

but at the end of the day you just run everything

[left cedar]

just do everuthing

[sweet merlin]

do we need high eva for w14?

[dense epoch]

is there a way to level up my commander faster? currently stuck at 59 im farming my highest stage which is 7-4

[soft raft]

keep grinding with a full fleet

[undone plover]

not necessarily more evasion than usual
u might need to run a few high ASW ships in mob fleet tho

[sweet merlin]

i see no subs ( in 14-1)

[dense epoch]

im getring like 50ish xp wtf

[soft raft]

they're in 14-3 and 14-4

[whole crypt]

at least you didn't make any +13s

[soft raft]

sounds about right tbh

[dense epoch]

really rip

[forest palm]

oh, I am glad about that lol

[whole crypt]

I think I made one for Algerie META or something

[forest palm]

just waiting for the Corsair to somehow be relevant to meet some obscure timing

[light trail]

is leveling hamann II's blue skill important or can i just leave her with the yellow skill leveled up

[forest palm]

would probably reduce her survivability, but you're welcome to skip it

[sweet merlin]

why did he devs bother? to put a lighthouse in w 14?

[viscid swift]

how should we know

[forest palm]

it's like asking why the devs bothered with Fuse Guns, or Beehive Ammo

[keen sable]

Or use subs

[forest palm]

there will be a rerun event on the 18th, and you can try your hand at D stages in the event, that will net you fair amount of CMD XP if you can grind it

[livid creek]

I started playing recently and I'm trying to use the auto battle/ auto search function to grind while I'm at work. The problem is that auto search keeps turning itself off after the first battle and then never stays on. Is there a hidden setting I'm missing? I'm not at dock capacity and my fleet is winning the battles in question.

[silk sphinx]

This in opsi?

Do you use this?

[silk sphinx]

Please provide more info

Maybe a picture? There are several ways your problem could occur

I’m guessing it’s the “fog” though

[livid creek]

I am still early game; 2-1
I set my fleets to auto search/auto battle for 3 runs of the stage.
When I load in, my first fleet auto paths to the first escort fleet and auto battles it and when the battle concludes, I see that autosearch is turned off

[inland shoal]

That is strange, could you send a screenshot?
Also why auto search 2-1 anyway

[silk sphinx]

Ah I see. Not dead ships, have enough oil, auto repeat stage, have enough dock space… I’ve never heard of this bug, I can only assume you’re incredibly unfortunate or may have touched the screen.

The final possibility is that you may not have unlocked the full functionality. I’ll have to check but maybe there’s a minimum requirement in terms of commander level or progress to auto repeat stages

[livid creek]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silk sphinx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzurLane/s/oNW8gmCH5M
I found this Reddit thread on the same problem

Since you’re both early game I assume it must be related to, well, being early game… I theorize you’ll have to first unlock higher stages or commander level. Idk really first time I’ve seen this

[whole crypt]

particularly for newer players often your autosearch gets paused for a new ship drop
also if all else fails try a client restart

[silk sphinx]

The YouTube video on Reddit has the same problem

[livid creek]

I'll try the restart; haven't gotten any "new" ships on those bugged runs; just dupes

[whole crypt]

make sure the game is closed completely

[silk sphinx]

I tried autoing 2-1, seemed fine

Probably not morale either

[meager gyro]

who should i get?

[whole crypt]

it's definitely not a 2-1 thing, dude probably just ran into some weird bug

[worldly pewter]

don't u have already nj ?

[keen sable]

Who do you have already

[meager gyro]

both

[keen sable]

Limit break level?

[whole crypt]

your NJ is almost if not already maxed if I remember correctly, is your Shinano MLB'd?

[worldly pewter]

this question shouldn't be asked TBH

[meager gyro]

idk

[whole crypt]

if you don't know, nobody here knows

[silk sphinx]

Check…

[worldly pewter]

he has his nj mlb

[whole crypt]

idk is not an answer

[silk sphinx]

In general though please try to provide context for your question?

[forest palm]

the futility in this all is rather amusing as a spectator

[keen sable]

Off to the threads with you

[tame jungle]

woe, 🧵 be upon ye

[lavish sequoia]

what stats does laffey2 red skill based on?

[meager gyro]

maybe i should get second nj so i can make a second fleet?

[whole crypt]

don't raise and use dupes

[meager gyro]

whys that

[whole crypt]

you can't use dupes in OS and for campaign/events there are plenty of alternatives anyway

[meager gyro]

my shinano has 3 stars

[whole crypt]

then get a Shinano copy to LB her

[meager gyro]

should i?

[whole crypt]

yes

I'm not sure why you're questioning this, I'm literally telling you that's what you should do with the pity

[silk sphinx]

To be clear; you have a mlb NJ and a 3-star Shinano?

The answer is very clear; get shinano

[rapid grail]

UR dupes are only for those who understand what they are doing

it would be in your best interest to get the other ship, especially if the copy you have is not mlb or lack thereof

[whole crypt]

people who use UR dupes are just doing it for the heck of it, there's really no practical value

[warm phoenix]

it's been a while, do level capped (125) ships still collect exp for PR Research?

[whole crypt]

yes

[mint flint]

yes

[warm phoenix]

cool, thanks

[rapid grail]

yes, on campaign

[silk sphinx]

The only reason to get a UR dupe is for the fleet power or like vanguard rld gaming (extremely niche)

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't bother even for VG RLD gaming

[rotund onyx]

Hello, I don't know if this is a tech issue or me having a skill issue

[remote yarrow]

Or displaying different skins

[rotund onyx]

I've been fighting this map for a while, can't reach the teleporter

[rapid grail]

try exit button on bottom right

[whole crypt]

bad map gen, happens rather often, if you're done with the rest of the map just use the exit button

[silk sphinx]

I always use the exit button tbh, can’t be bothered going to the teleporter

[whole crypt]

please no gifs here

[rotund onyx]

Ok, skill issue on my part

[rapid grail]

no reaction gifs please

[rotund onyx]

Sorry and thank you

[wary timber]

Which is superior. Roon or Prinz Heinrich

[whole crypt]

generally Heinrich, may depend on what you're trying to do

[meager gyro]

got shinano, what now

[whole crypt]

have you used the copy to LB your first one?

[silk sphinx]

Any and all duplicate ships are to be used for limit breaking the original

[meager gyro]

uhhhh

not yet

[whole crypt]

which is what we told you to do with the dupe in the first place

[rapid grail]

do muse variants count for CDC XP grind

[whole crypt]

yes

[rapid grail]

k thx nntktt & lixxy

[wispy pendant]

has the berke passed w11 yet and figured out why he was timing out with his previous fleet?

[wary timber]

My goal for Roon and Prinz Heinrich is to tank while dishing out damage for my 2nd fleet while Agir tanks for my main fleet.

[silk sphinx]

Are you faction fleeting?

[crimson glacier]

roons dmg is like really poor

[wary timber]

My 2nd fleet is mostly IB to now continue work on getting FDG

So they will be doing everything. Mobbing and bossing depending on the situation

[eager mulch]

i didnt realize fdg took vanguard xp nowadays

[whole crypt]

Roon is pretty meh for damage and about the same ballpark of durability as Heinrich, so I'd go with Heinrich
may differ if your Roon is already at least d30 but you lack bulins for Heinrich

FdG does indeed not take any vanguard XP

[wary timber]

I'm relying on Bismarck and Graf Zeppelin for FDG

[remote yarrow]

Did you miss patch notes?

[whole crypt]

generally we don't reocmmend using faction fleets but in the case of tanking with Graf Zeppelin you could make exceptions, as long as you're not wasting XP with the vanguard

[wispy pendant]

faction fleeting is fun

[wary timber]

I'm planning to rotate in lower level IB vanguard and main fleet ships in from time to time to get them ready for any future use

[silk sphinx]

Some people enjoy faction fleeting. The core focus of a game being, well, to have fun, I’ll give them the disclaimer faction fleet bad, but otherwise that’s it. Not everyone cares about going for optimal meta fleets

[whole crypt]

well if you don't have a healer beacuse you're grinding with triple KMS main fleet, if Graf Zeppelin is one of them it does help vanguard durability
ideally you'd just use a vanguard that works without her anyway

[meager gyro]

not enough gold to limit break shinano

[whole crypt]

just hold on to the dupe until you have enough coins then

[silk sphinx]

Then limit break her after, there’s no rush

[wary timber]

It's not exclusively KMS ships. I have Perseus to heal for now

[wispy pendant]

how about getting to w12 with the fleet you have before you worry about limit breaking ur ships

[silk sphinx]

She’s at lb0 anyways rn, she needs to be mlb (lb3) to be good

[whole crypt]

then just use better vanguard and drop Perseus

[sweet delta]

Huh there's no active thread?

[remote yarrow]

Remember he has you blocked, don't even bother

[eager mulch]

thread? whats that? can i eat it?

[keen sable]

Now you ignore it and go back failing to clear 11-3?

[meager gyro]

wasnt this guy good?

[wispy pendant]

okay, I'm just hoping beyond hope that he actually makes progress, despite him blocking me

[wary timber]

My 1st fleet is also working on new vanguards that need healing. With my current new additions my ships now take significantly less dmg. Perseus can handle the healing at this point.

[glacial heath]

so is that Single 113mm better for kazu and other dds than the blue guns?

[keen sable]

Perseus is a meta healer...

[wary timber]

I take them out for opsi too

[worldly pewter]

who is kazu ?

[eager mulch]

kazagumo

[wary timber]

Anyways back to grinding.... a wyvern is within reach ...

[rapid grail]

good luck, champ

[wary timber]

That reminds me. I've had my eyes on this CL gun in the store for a while. Is this any good

[silk sphinx]

Pretty good yep

[viscid swift]

it's not worth the core data

[keen sable]

Both can be true

[wary timber]

If I'm planning to arm this gun on Emden while I wait to get the quad 152mm. Would it be worth

[silk sphinx]

Emden uses dd guns

[keen sable]

Do you have 10000+ core data yet?

[wary timber]

Emden has a CL gun slot too

[silk sphinx]

800 core for 75% eff 1mg slot?

[wary timber]

So you're saying I'm better off with the triple 155mm gun ?

[silk sphinx]

Yep. 800 core is too steep for that

[keen sable]

Simply misinfo

[wary timber]

If that's the case then what should I get from the core shop assuming I don't need the stuff for DDGs anymore

[eager mulch]

Emden 75% eff cl gun slot lol what

[silk sphinx]

Oh skill buff I did forget. Make that 100%

[whole crypt]

Independence, shells, sub gear

chips and arrays

[sweet delta]

Consider looking for a guide from a bot command like /coredata

[wary timber]

Hmm

[whole crypt]

and yes we do have a coreshop guide

[gritty gull]

are any of these good?

[rapid grail]

ju-87 iirc is the priority here

[sweet delta]

Ju87 is best value

[remote yarrow]

What is that box?

[silk sphinx]

Premium

[remote yarrow]

[worldly pewter]

isn't this gun craftable ?

[rapid grail]

from events only, craftable w/ 15 print

[hallow iron]

Do people usually use uss ships at 3rd slot if using Helena? Like is it a big diff if I don't

need positive confirmation cause it's bothering me XD

[worldly pewter]

i thought it was in the gear lab

[crimson glacier]

i never pay attention to that

[silk sphinx]

It’s northern parliament. There is no NP gearlab currently too

I think it’s called the chappy gun so yep

[rapid grail]

nah u don't need another american to run helena

[sweet delta]

Negative

[meager gyro]

should i craft this

[hallow iron]

Thanks I will now tunnel vision to your answer cause it's the one I want to hear XD

[crimson glacier]

thats like the best aux in the game

[rapid grail]

yes

[crimson glacier]

for frontline

[rapid grail]

as long as it helped, i guess

[hushed cliff]

so I’ve been messing around with an Ark Royal/Georgia boss fleet and their timings are synced up pretty perfectly but I want to give Georgia a faster shooting gun but I have no idea how to get Ark’s air strike time down as dramatically

[sweet delta]

Use faster planes or beacon and good luck trying to get good performance out of this fleet

[whole crypt]

the solution is to stop using Georgia

[hushed cliff]

never I love her too much

[whole crypt]

not sure why you'd want a faster gun anyway

[meager gyro]

should i craft thsi?

[hushed cliff]

And I need something new to do while I get my commander level up to 90

[crimson glacier]

no

[reef flume]

No. It's not a good gun unless you have KGV

[meager gyro]

have what?

[hushed cliff]

More Georgia beams

[reef flume]

King George V

[meager gyro]

whats that?

[novel condor]

A shipgirl

[reef flume]

A shipgirl

[whole crypt]

well what gun do you want to change from and to, and where are you using this fleet, at the very least it might not be a good idea to change that gun at all

[meager gyro]

how am i supposed to know

[sweet delta]

[silk helm]

[novel condor]

you're playing a game revolved around shipgirls, what do u expect?

[remote yarrow]

You are playing a ship girl game?

[hollow gust]

Man I saw a YouTuber last night who way newer and still have better stuff then you

[meager gyro]

it could be like an item how tf am i supposed to know

[worldly pewter]

[meager gyro]

[reef flume]

C'mon guys don't be harsh

[whole crypt]

if you want to complain how clueless you are about the game do it in a thread

[remote yarrow]

Another thread

[hollow gust]

You should deal with him for like what a month now

[worldly pewter]

the difference between someone who can read and apply what he reads and someone who can't

[meager gyro]

im getting trashtalked again

[whole crypt]

we've worked with this guy for over a month, we're not usually harsh like this

[mint flint]

does "King George V" really sound like an item though

[hushed cliff]

Right now I’m using the Russian triple 406mm, I like the damage on it but it’s a little slow I’m thinking of using the proto double 406mm from research just to get as many heavy barrel blaster shots as I can

[silk helm]

hey help out a fellow new player

[whole crypt]

he's not new

he's been playing the game wrong for 4 years and refuses to actually learn or listen

[silk helm]

[reef flume]

Purple or gold?

[hushed cliff]

Both gold

[hollow gust]

I bet that was the dude's first washing machine

[whole crypt]

changing from soyuz gun to champagne gun wouldn't really change your timings

[keen sable]

You are just confusing them. This is humane

[meager gyro]

bro im trying everything i can

[sweet delta]

They said double 406

[hushed cliff]

She’d shoot 5 seconds faster

[keen sable]

Not enough coin to lb1 shinano but can make q356 🧠

[worldly pewter]

i m sure u aren't
i told u to record the 11-4 fight in which ur time runs out more than week ago
u didn't do it

[whole crypt]

your first answer when people ask you stuff back is just reflexively "idk", have you ever considered trying to find out or thinking through before doing that, a lot of this shit has been answered to you before

[sweet delta]

?

[meager gyro]

you didnt ask me anything and im far away from 11-4

[eternal moth]

You've been playing since 2021 and haven't gotten to 11-4?

[inland shoal]

He did in the thread and then it was 11-3 or whatever you're stuck on

[keen sable]

^

[whole crypt]

uhhh sorry missed that you wanted to swap from soyuz gun to FdG gun... then you're also changing ammo types so maaaybe not, depends on what you're hitting

[worldly pewter]

#1254145175132045373 message

[inland shoal]

With a full 125 fleet that is decent and also has decent gear I should add

[meager gyro]

hm didnt see that

[worldly pewter]

i made sure it will u

[wispy pendant]

make sure he's actually fighting in auto mode. He has an over leveled fleet with okay gear, and should have no problem with w11 and w12 on lethal, yet he's timing out.

[orchid tulip]

hi, what coordinates are worth buying in opsi? all of them? is it better to save coins for vouchers?

[hushed cliff]

Then I would probably be better off using Soyuz gun

[whole crypt]

anything that's not blue

[wispy pendant]

and only buy them if you plan to clear them

[orchid tulip]

do you mean purple?

[wispy pendant]

no blue

[whole crypt]

if you're fighting medium/heavy armour then definitely stay with soyuz gun

[remote yarrow]

There's blue coords, those are not worth getting

[orchid tulip]

is that r6 on the bottom right considered a "blue"?

[whole crypt]

there's blue, purple, gold and rainbow. skip the blues. scroll up there's more.

[remote yarrow]

All those are good but idk if you can clear a C6 Abyssal

[wispy pendant]

have you passed eye color checks?

[meager gyro]

wasnt this good?

[remote yarrow]

No, R3 and below are blues

[hollow gust]

It's very good

[orchid tulip]

ah I thought you meant the color of the machine thingie, not the rareness

[whole crypt]

we quite precisely told you yes yesterday

[hushed cliff]

this is the Georgia fleet I’ve been level grinding, when I’m done I plan on adding Agir for main tank and then just throwing on UvH or something else broken how does it look

[wispy pendant]

the berke refuses to use the gear guides

[hollow gust]

What even is that for

[whole crypt]

is there some reason this isn't a full fleet

[meager gyro]

should i craft it when i have the gold?

[ivory harbor]

can guichen solo mob tank chapt 9 till 10

[meager gyro]

not craft? ok

[hollow gust]

How tf do you not have gold for a weapon ❓❓❓

[whole crypt]

he spends it in dubious places and still cannot move on to 12 for coin grind

[wispy pendant]

he doesn't actually clear content, so he has no gold

[eternal moth]

Unique, please stop trolling the guy. Yes, you want to craft that gun @meager gyro

[hollow gust]

It's like 500 gold?????

[viscid swift]

remember, has a Wyvern and yet is still stuck in W11

[ivory harbor]

Minneapolis or Takao for mob fleet w9 - w10

[hushed cliff]

I was tired of my 120+ ships like Agir taking mvp

[meager gyro]

ok so what now?

[viscid swift]

then use other ships that need levels then?

[keen sable]

Not trolling. It's for the best. You really think berke can handle swapping?

[whole crypt]

swap in lower level ships to level, you're just wasting XP

[keen sable]

Good luck killing sendai with that pos

[hollow gust]

use your portland

[whole crypt]

I'm pretty sure he has no idea how to handle the gun even if he made it

[ivory harbor]

ah oke

[meager gyro]

so the one i bought from core shop was useless after all? good to know

[signal pollen]

does anyone have the link to what what I should buy with the prototypes

[hollow gust]

[hollow gust]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[whole crypt]

well will you learn how to swap to the appropriate guns for the appropriate bosses? if you will then yes it's a good gun

[signal pollen]

thank you

[keen sable]

#bot-spam /protocore

[meager gyro]

way to much effort to leave the zone and kill everything again imo?

[whole crypt]

then we're done here, there's no need to make any new gear, good luck playing the game badly

[eternal moth]

ok, this is just trolling at this point

[signal pollen]

If I get that rainbow bomber, does it go for mobbing or boss

[forest palm]

dudes like an escaped SCP ya'll are trying to keep in a thread

[whole crypt]

we have tried to help you but you simply refuse to learn

[meager gyro]

ok fuck you then

[remote yarrow]

Welcome to trying to help him

[eternal moth]

You can use it for either, but bossing is where you generally want your best gear

[viscid swift]

just block and be done

[whole crypt]

I don't need to block, I'm happy ignoring lines of text

[signal pollen]

I'll slap to bossing, thanks

[mint flint]

if you dont want to do it then just dont do it

[eternal moth]

Keep in mind that rainbow gear is a LOT more expensive than anything else, so if you need anything else it might be worth getting that first

[fervent hearth]

KEKW

[silk helm]

[left cedar]

this guy seens like Salty Belfast, but agressivier, but dumb as well

[whole crypt]

anyway now that I actually have time for AL... was VG date given or still just "after next maint"

[remote yarrow]

I'm surprised he isn't gph banned, salty is gph banned and he wasn't as unbearable or unwillingly against advice as berke

[silk helm]

given #game-news

[signal pollen]

I mean I am considering getting the yellow bb gun, but if I can full buy rainbow plane, I should go for it right?

[eternal moth]

Next week, they posted on X about it

[worldly pewter]

gph doesn't have the required patience to guide such players

[viscid swift]

we can't guide people who don't want to be guided in the first place

[whole crypt]

thanks I don't usually check EN twitter

[signal pollen]

Yeah I can full buy the rainbow plane

[calm rose]

pretty sure hes just trolling at this point

[fervent hearth]

the guided must be taught correctly and the unwilling will be sacrificed

[meager gyro]

getting asked to do the impossible and its my fault, funny

[forest palm]

ya'll have more patience than I, was done the first day

[keen sable]

berke apparently doesn't know you can change gear in ops at anytime and goes back to port to do it or maybe waits for ops reset?

[whole crypt]

for the record cheeky and I gave him plenty of patience, but we can't teach those who don't learn

[hollow gust]

yet countless others have done the same thing

[worldly pewter]

i asked u something in the thread 15 min ago
still waiting for an answer

[rapid grail]

why tf are people spamming thread reactions w/ berke's comments

[mint flint]

impossible?

[eternal moth]

Because his answers are in a thread he started

[keen sable]

It's for their benefit

[left cedar]

look, even me that try aloot to keep calm and be patiente cuz different places, specially poor countrys used to be low quality educations, and understood somethings complex as AL mechanics can be hard, but some guys just make my patiente go away faster...

[fervent hearth]

sometimes u get ignored dw if u do spam ping trust

[remote yarrow]

Cuz we have tried to handhold him through about 6 threads and there's nearly no progress made

[keen sable]

They aren't helped by dumb advice like get a champ gun and kill sendai with it

[fervent hearth]

[silk helm]

[rapid grail]

[fervent hearth]

[inland shoal]

At any rate pls don't discuss in here whether someone should be gph banned or whatever else you personally think about them

[fervent hearth]

beef chat when

[icy mountain]

I think berke has dementia

[clever sun]

Can indepedence replace princeton in mob fleet?

[eager mulch]

that’s just ectl general

[viscid swift]

post-retrofit yes, if you can't retrofit her I would not bother

[whole crypt]

Independence retrofit is definitely better

[left cedar]

common Throin, some guys need to be in spot, cuz they make mostly of veterans in check ...

pretty sure "in chekc" dint work for wut i wanna say, but, i dont remeber a better way to say it

[eager mulch]

independence retrofit very good Ja

[clever sun]

Ok, ill try get independence later

[remote yarrow]

Emphasis on she needs to be retrofit

[whole crypt]

if you can't raise and retrofit her quickly there's no hurry to get her

[keen sable]

I don't recall independence being particularly useful to your account but who knows...

[clever sun]

Can you check if my 2 team is good for world 9 and above?

[fervent hearth]

shes GYAT POG

[inland shoal]

It's not a choice you make, it's not a discussion that belongs in this channel
(If I understood what you meant correctly, was kinda hard to make sense of this time)

[whole crypt]

thread if you want to post

[fervent hearth]

AA KILLER OF GYAT

[inland shoal]

Can you stop spamming nonsense in caps

[fervent hearth]

just saying that indep is good idk what u mean

[viscid swift]

#al-general is that way
literally non of us have any idea what you mean

[remote yarrow]

Gen alpha humor I guess

[whole crypt]

DRs and gear aside does it look like anything from PR7 will help with Wichita

[clever sun]

Can i get some advice?

[signal pollen]

Is this okay or should the tenrai plane go to someone else

[eager mulch]

someone else

[inland shoal]

Surely the chains only disable guns and thus Halfords planes that are not guns still launch and do beeg damage or sth

[keen sable]

That's just not fine in general

[hollow gust]

That's some very iffy gearing , where are you even using her

[viscid swift]

it's never a good sign when I can't tell what a gear loadout is meant to be for

[remote yarrow]

Also don't enhance stuff past +10 if you can't even get it to +13

[whole crypt]

rockets planes too so I wouldn't be surprised if they do, but Halford's durability is probably cope for that

[signal pollen]

I admittedly do not really touch or focus on gear. SOrry. Don't really know what the gear is meant for myself

[remote yarrow]

Yeah figured, you just picked shiny gear

[viscid swift]

you really can't ignore gear, it is even more important than what ships you use

[signal pollen]

I thought ships would be better stat stick so I focused on ships

[wide marsh]

What opsi equipment I should keep for monthly reset?

[remote yarrow]

I don't think I understand this question

[inland shoal]

Could you rephrase the question? Cuz I don't understand it at all

[viscid swift]

you should focus on both
good start would be to give sam's gear guide a read in #bot-spam /equip

[signal pollen]

okay, thanks

[tame jungle]

what do you mean by this? anything you earn in opsi should carry over, except for the things that say they get removed upon reset (like loggers, AP crates, heals etc)

[left cedar]

maybe he mean itens ?

[inland shoal]

itens? Do those come after inines?

[remote yarrow]

why

[left cedar]

itens i mean wut nube mention

[whole crypt]

none of the AP boxes and repair boxes are kept
all of the plates and lab materials are not kept in your OS inventory

[wide marsh]

Sorry for that. OPSI consumables like repair kits, amplifiers and AP reserves. What should I spend and what should I keep for converting into vouchers?

[tame jungle]

everything that says it gets converted, gets converted automatically upon reset

[inland shoal]

Well just spend everything that makes sense to spend

As in don't try to hurt your ships in repeatable content like Hardbiter just to use up your repair kits

[tame jungle]

here's a list of everything that gets converted to vouchers

[inland shoal]

But spend all coords, AP boxes etc

[inland shoal]

(It's items, not itens)

[left cedar]

kinda u spend Ap in last day (if u hae time for it) doing all ur Hiddens, Abyss, Strongholds, if still some to use, repeat a C5 map

others dont need to be used

[tame jungle]

loggers you want to be using though, provided you can clear the zones

[left cedar]

sorry, this n there its cuz my native way to write

[wide marsh]

Asking again to make sure. I keep my gear lab stuff after reset, right?

Great. Thank you all again

[inland shoal]

Imagine having to get what 11? UR ordnance reports in a single month 💀

[remote yarrow]

If you didn't, crafting stuff would be rough

[tame jungle]

items (itens? ) that go into a tab that is not in the same tab as ap boxes and loggers etc you keep :3

[left cedar]

in my native words that end in m cant have s at end, so all them became ns

[calm rose]

how much adapt is needed in stronghold again?

[remote yarrow]

203 203 156 iirc

[calm rose]

isnt that for harbiter?

[inland shoal]

Stronghold is 188/whatever

[mint flint]

Who should I LB given I can buy 9 more bulins

[remote yarrow]

Well yeah but might aswell

[whole crypt]

that's for arb hard or otherwise

[livid creek]

Sorry for the late reply; unfortunately a restart did not solve it. I looked at the video and that's exactly what's going on with my account too. I'll just keep playing and see if it resolves itself. Thanks for your help anyway; I appreciate it.

[whole crypt]

try #tech-support maybe, perhaps they'll have a better idea

[remote yarrow]

Alsace and Vanguard if you get her imo

[forest palm]

188/188/144

[left cedar]

NJ and Alsace
but rerun of Vanguard is there, so keep it for her

[forest palm]

better to just blanket it as 203/203/156 imo

[whole crypt]

but personally arb takes 203/203/0

[remote yarrow]

Tbh I don't see any reason for NJ when he has Alsace, Soyuz, UvH and potentially Vanguard

[rapid grail]

do elaborate?

[viscid swift]

just do Alsace for now
you want to max limit break Shinano ASAP when you get her so save bullins for that

[whole crypt]

ultimately you're looking to beat arbiter with boss fleets that won't be healing, so the heal adapt is irrelevant

[keen sable]

Bringing healing to an arbiter is quite scary and death inducing

[left cedar]

he will eventually be able to mlb all them, so why not ?
in any way, difference between URs inst giantic, so still doable almost everycontent with NJ in place of someone else

[sweet delta]

In fact, minimum tactical adapt was needed for me to kill royal fortune in 1 second

[rapid grail]

interesting tidbit... ig i can just cap to 144 for strongholds ig

[whole crypt]

if the arb doesn't have a heal-debuff mod you can still try to heal through it, provided you can't build boss fleets of sufficient strength

[sweet delta]

Wait no that was max tactical and min offense

[viscid swift]

let me put it like this, for the time being what does NJ offer over Alsace, Soyuz, FDG, UvH, and potentially Vanguard soon

[remote yarrow]

But you can oneshot most stuff without much struggle cuz your account is stacked maybe his isn't

[clever sun]

What is phoenix role?

[sweet delta]

Being FP tech for late game

[forest palm]

I still say 156 because it's blanketed, and you'd still want to raise it for something like Strongholds

[viscid swift]

reload not FP tech

[sweet delta]

[left cedar]

look, i use my FdG as the queen anywhere, and i'm happy with it, she can do everything, all them will be MLB eventually (if he keeps playing and farming) so why avoid do it rn ?
next UR should be in 2m, so enough time to replace bullins to next IJN UR

[eternal moth]

Next UR is in a week, as he should be able to get Vanguard

[left cedar]

i'm already counting with Vang ...

[sweet delta]

Mogador or Shimakaze would be more useful than NJ too

[viscid swift]

well like I said, they don't have Shinano yet and a Dev 30 Haku so she's high priority when they do get Shinano, also Vanguard is rerunning next week and while I probably wouldn't reccomend her being limit broken asap she's higher priority over NJ in my books

[remote yarrow]

She isn't really used nowadays

[sweet delta]

OUR books

[left cedar]

them this is it, cheeky and suchi and few others in favor of not NJ, so i'm probally wrong here

[sweet delta]

Yes good flavor

[remote yarrow]

good soup

[left cedar]

damm, i'm flying today ...

[silk helm]

why not asap mlb vanguard?

[viscid swift]

they already have Soyuz, Alsace, UvH, and FDG
there's no immediate need for her

[sweet delta]

I would say Vanguard is a lot better than UvH and fdg in general

[eternal moth]

She'd be a straight upgrade to a triple BB setup though, replacing either UvH or FdG

[silk helm]

ahh okay, if i only have alsace and fdg, is vanguard mlb recommended?

[viscid swift]

so would I but I'm just trying to be cautious at this point

[left cedar]

chotto, FdG is a beast in Mobs, as well UvH ... in Anti Light, FdG and UvH also quite gud

[remote yarrow]

Yo Cheeky thoughts on replacing Heinrich for Phoenix? #1261366624871780414 message

[sweet delta]

They may beat Vanguard in chapter 14 mob but not 15. And anti light Vanguard is also one of the best, better than UvH

[silk helm]

thanks

[storm peak]

You need 14 bulins or 18 bulins with NJ for full LB on that

[mint flint]

i am able to math

[willow dock]

Working on getting ply leveled/affinity up while trying to grind out EXP for nakimov, but ply gets cooked and God forbid chalk gets spotted
What other stage can I grind in the mean time?

[native folio]

for clearing hard mode, do you need to get 100% clear or is 3 stars enough? I don't wanna use up one of my 3 daily attempts if i dont need to

[calm rose]

take the Q or refresh? or the gold D?

[eternal moth]

3 stars is fine

I'd take one of the faces, but it's up to you

[inland shoal]

Why would you refresh that

Take the Q or one of the faces

[sweet delta]

Considered dropping to 12-4

[soft raft]

I wonder if that Chkalov is even D30 yet

[willow dock]

She is
So is ply

[rapid grail]

Q 2h if you want gear
purple Halford

generally speaking I avoid the longer face projects if possible, purple at best

[keen sable]

100% clear but there is no explicit reward for clearing hard

[rapid grail]

uh make soyuz flag

[willow dock]

Why? None of her skills mention anything about her position

[calm rose]

is there a trick to the good ol "dev 30 in 2 months"™️ ? or is it just take every single coobs?

[frank pulsar]

2 month is just spamming 1hr cube afaik

[rapid grail]

cube projects + face projects

[eternal moth]

Typically you want a BB as flag as they can take more punishment, and are able to kill bomb boats easier

[sweet delta]

[inland shoal]

Cuz BBs have secondary guns while CVs don't
Though idk what world that is
Also Ply only buffs the flag if it's BB BC or BBV

[rapid grail]

Plus you have Plymouth there, as suchiguma pointed out

[frank pulsar]

it takes like 800+ cube iirc to finish a season through cube

[rapid grail]

who has big buff for flagship BB

[inland shoal]

Ah w13 secondary guns won't rly matter then

[inland shoal]

For all ships or for a ship you focus? For just one ship this can be done by just cycling as fast as you can unless you get that ship's faces, if it's a DR you also need quite some luck, for all ships 2 months is a tough ask without cubing

[whole crypt]

you don't want to cube through the whole season anyway

[keen sable]

Tldr use bad ships get bad results

[frank pulsar]

it just ply and helena

[willow dock]

Thanks fellas

[calm rose]

i see, im tryna go for napoli first. but i guess its down to luck

[inland shoal]

It was a continuation of his previous msg, not a question

[frank pulsar]

mb
looks like its time for bed

[rapid grail]

same tbh

[wispy pendant]

only have 5 more to go :

[eternal moth]

1100 cubes, it should be worth using a few for research right?

[remote yarrow]

Sure? Maybe don't go below 900?

[calm rose]

unfortunately im not like the real boomers with 7k cubes

[noble tulip]

Should be fine as long as you stay above 800 cubes

[silk sphinx]

Hamaal was around for a lot of the old UR events, he’ll be fine with 800 or even lower somewhat

It’s only really new players that don’t have the leeway for that

[inland shoal]

7k cubes isn't just boomer, either they payed for cubes or got insanely lucky

[eternal moth]

Yeah, I have all the URs currently available. There are a few ships that didn't drop during their events I still need, though

[silk sphinx]

I’ve never heard of anyone with 7k tbh

[remote yarrow]

Aka Rime

Rime has 7k iirc

[uncut oar]

Actually, given I expressly don't need anything from vanny rerun, is there a point for me to not be pumping cubes into research once I switch to PR7? I'm already above 400 and I'm caught up on reruns so it's only going to go up

[calm rose]

idk i saw one in throphy room awhile back

[silk sphinx]

Only 400? Uh seems a bit risky

There’s stuff like collabs and gold events that don’t have pity… just to be sure save some

[noble tulip]

If you're for some reason only rolling on UR banners then go ahead, otherwise that's very risky

[inland shoal]

I'd only consider cubes as a refresh if you're above at least 600

[eternal moth]

You need a second gaming table

[uncut oar]

I do know the math around cube gain during events so I should be fine. Yeah I'm basically rolling URs and doing 3 ship per day for other banners

[calm rose]

i wouldnt cube if i werent trying to do PR7 fast for memes. i spend my PR6 just slowly face researching + Q for hinden gun

[uncut oar]

Goddamnit you're right, time to go on ebay real quick

[hollow gust]

Cubing isn't gonna help you , have fun spending 800 cube and get research done half a month earlier

[eternal moth]

Man, even in simulation Halford seems so underwhelming

[wispy pendant]

there is a different table in game that they are talking about.

[uncut oar]

I don't actually think it's gonna be only half a month but okay, I'll just use them for rainbow/refresh

[uncut oar]

Usui, I know. I was there for Vanny.

That was the joke.

[wispy pendant]

maybe they are farming cog chips

[hollow gust]

They are dirt broke on cubes, that's a stupid way to get cogs

[signal pollen]

Does AP HE bb guns really matter? Can I just have one prototype triple 406 only for my two bb?

[wispy pendant]

Another thing to note, is the UR BB that is rerunning is called "Vanguard" even though she is a battle ship. She cannot be put into the front "vanguard" of your fleet. Just an FYI.

[uncut oar]

I'm not farming cogs, I was thinking about PR, I still think I'm not gonna finish PR7 in time because my research selection is probably worse than people

[eternal moth]

Yes the ammo type matters.

[uncut oar]

Please read that I was there for Vanny and therefore are aware of literally everything you're telling me

[wispy pendant]

🤓

[soft raft]

EN moment

[hollow gust]

It's a Usui moment

[calm rose]

it matters, you have to choose the right one for boss armor type