gameplay-help

[wary timber]

Hmm interesting...

[patent pivot]

Notes

• first number in each item is # gayir trp salvos hit (for trip mag 1 trp counted as a hit, for quints all 5 had to hit to count, 0 was a miss, any other amount was a reset), second item is # bars left of scharM at 10s
• things were made for consistency, als->biz->soy firing order, quad mags instead of straight quad mags. These all are hurt much less by misses but have a significantly lower ceiling on hits
• 0fp tech on all ships, 0rld on gayir but goldburn
• not as many runs as I would have liked but I kept hitting dead reception zones and I would like to continue my vacation now

[stark quiver]

just say agir

[hollow gust]

Gaygir

[forest palm]

I tuned out when read "gayir" cause I had no clue who it was in reference to

[patent pivot]

I'll use real ship names when toaster gives us a way to do better in-game tests (never)

[forest palm]

[noble tulip]

I just don't understand what's the point of not running georgia gun if you're not syncing with helena, we're not tied to musashi anymore, it clears faster and you won't have to deal with the 4th salvo reload problem

[viscid swift]

among other things cost

getting 3 Georgia Guns and +13ing them is very expensive

[eager mulch]

it’s only 1080 gold plates

[noble tulip]

perhaps for newer players, but if you're atleast 1y+ into the game it's not a problem

[stark quiver]

no thats still somewhat of a problem

[viscid swift]

getting them after a year or so I would agree

+13ing them though no

[cobalt rapids]

not a problem if ure not doing any other guns

[eager mulch]

shrimple, 2160 gold plates for 3 457s, 2 burg guns, and ply gun

[noble tulip]

I mean I can show you my guns on lil e account, I truly have no problem with gold plates atm

[cobalt rapids]

sure

[patent pivot]

Being locked onto one sync order

[forest palm]

even as a long time player I ain't got resources to waste on a 457 when I already have the infrastructure built for 1938s

[steady yoke]

anyone have any opsi fleet advice for me

[viscid swift]

well there's a lot of guns to +13 these days

3 Champaign Guns, Soyuz Gun, maybe a Flandre Gun, Alaska Gun, Mogador gun, one Plymouth Gun, and a host of CA Guns

[forest palm]

457 is of the lowest of priorities quite honestly, it's like +13'ing an Oxy

[cobalt rapids]

i would argue its good to have 1-2 +13 for campaign tryharding

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't necessarily put it that far down

because yeah they are very useful for campaign

[forest palm]

the bottom is Mikasa Flag, I think we can agree

[viscid swift]

well that's a given

[eager mulch]

no it costs 1500 core data

[noble tulip]

And I wasted 360 gold plates on pvp guns so I could +13 another rainbow gun if I didn’t care about pvp

[stark quiver]

on lil e and so much ur guns..... how do you even do that

[viscid swift]

oh right 3 Mk7s as well

[cobalt rapids]

so even u dont prio 3 457

[forest palm]

1 maybe, but 3 is just a hard ask

[noble tulip]

I wanted to but I already 4 salvo any meta fights so I thought, what’s the point

[cobalt rapids]

its a very good point

[noble tulip]

With 2 +13 geo gun*

[viscid swift]

well that's a given

[noble tulip]

I’d argue one +13 is probably enough

I ran 2 for pvp

[steady yoke]

any suggestions on who's wasting space and if its worth leveling the sub 120s up?

[soft raft]

I dont get that 2nd fleet at all to be honest
Where did Unicorn go and why is there no tank

overall it's very over the place

[cobalt rapids]

many improvements tbh except mby fleet 1

[stark quiver]

im pretty sure 2 is "mob", probably thought they suffice as healers

[viscid swift]

just a lot of really strange and frankly baffling decisions

[steady yoke]

mob fleet yes. the posts i read before i slapped them together was talking about healing units mostly

[viscid swift]

like I'm convinced you mistook Aurora for Avrora

[shell willow]

lol

[steady yoke]

i thought that was a typo on the post lol

[eager mulch]

tank avrora tech

[steady yoke]

ill change her out for sure now that i know it wasnt

[viscid swift]

that's just one of many mistakes though

I could go on but just start a thread and post your dock

[stark quiver]

the main question is if kearsrage is dev30

[soft raft]

(or any of your research ships for that matter)

[steady yoke]

my pr 3 4 and 5s all are. kear isnt yet, still working on her

[soft raft]

then she should've been benched
Main fleet ships suck before D30

[elfin hollow]

Can you only get 6 of these every 6 months?

[cobalt rapids]

u can craft 8 gold ones into 1 rainbow

[viscid swift]

you can craft T2s into T3s

[elfin hollow]

Oh okay Ty

[reef flume]

In what OpSi port (or ports) these are to be found?

[eager mulch]

blue

[stark quiver]

NY city port, blue

wait a second

yea just visit all blue ports, wiki is trolling me rn

[reef flume]

They can be found in NY city? Seriously?

Cuz I never got them lol

[vale apex]

what fleet for lvl 100 daily training

[viscid swift]

Soyuz, Alsace, FDG, Carl, Helena, flex against the shelling variant

[vale apex]

is shelling the easiest

[cobalt rapids]

they all easy with ur dock

[elfin hollow]

What do submarines do?

[slender heart]

swim

[cobalt rapids]

u call em in battle to shoot torpedoes

only on certain maps

useful for late campaign and harbiter

[elfin hollow]

interesting

[grand sigil]

Don't you mean sink...

[spring bolt]

you are getting 4 salvos anyway, 457 salvo damage is lower than champ gun, b37 and proto 3x380

[noble tulip]

just keep in mind that the 457's 4th salvo is 10-11s faster than the champ gun and you're killing in both cases thus running 457 is just better (if you don't run helena and if you have the plates to +13 atleast one of them)

[steady yoke]

OpSi fleet suggestions?(noob)

[noble tulip]

Now if there's a boss you can't kill with 457 then I'd agree with you, so far that isn't the case in my experience

[viscid swift]

457s definitely don't gurntee a kill against even older META bosses, heck, even 3 +13 457s doesn't do that

[noble tulip]

with the cb/ply/hinden setup ?

[spring bolt]

like you said, if the boss is tougher, 457 can't reach a higher damage cap, which is very likely to happen in future metas

[viscid swift]

admitedly no

this was before Hindenburg and Unzen so it was like
CB, An Shan or something, Yuudachi

[noble tulip]

if anything right now i'm overkilling by a long shot

[viscid swift]

and also against Scharnhorst and Gneisenau now that I recall

[stark quiver]

do we know what pool new ib event will use

[viscid swift]

yeah I know with Hindenburg it's 100% consistent and overkills quite easily

[noble tulip]

still had soyuz salvo to go through

and 13s on the clock

[inland shoal]

Would be surprising if it isn't heavy ig

[forest palm]

isn't there a sub, or is she not in the banner?

[viscid swift]

she is

[spring bolt]

for me it's really a solution with lower average damage + lower possible damage + much more expensive in gold plate cost, while metas are getting harder and harder to one fight kill, 3x457 is just... not attractive

[stark quiver]

banner sub might be special pool

[inland shoal]

There is, but elite rarity
Though idk if Alvitr is in the banner now that you mention it

[soft raft]

The evnet lineup has Heavy, Light, Light, and Special so

[viscid swift]

she is
the Elite DD is the only non banner ship

[inland shoal]

Ah yeah right no shop duh

[viscid swift]

probably heavy since Alvitr is the headlining ship

[soft raft]

yeah prob gonna be Heavy

[spring bolt]

and if i am going after the 10s faster fight time, i would go for carriers as they don't have slow mode when firing, actually saving time irl

[forest palm]

depending on the fight it does also sound redundent if something is faster, if both guns would result in a consistent kill

[glacial heath]

is there a ship tierlist for w15?

[forest palm]

CN

[cobalt rapids]

/w15 its linked in the guide

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

This is a guide for world 15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PHOpBGltnFNemxxsATJ-Qx-buk4HSh1jnIYFeK9EqhI/edit?usp=sharing

[noble tulip]

depending on the fight 10-12s difference could be the difference between a kill and your vanguard dying, that's also a factor to keep in mind

[viscid swift]

for Scharnhorst and Gneisenau META that's definitely the case

so far the only cases though

[forest palm]

realistically if your vanguard is dying, it's either poor structuring or the fight has more vanguard pressure, which at that point it wouldn't matter which gun you use

in fact if your vanguard is dying faster, and say among those is Hinden you're also losing substantial damage

[noble tulip]

pretty much ye

[noble tulip]

I'm not arguing about the vanguard dying faster, i'm arguing about the fact that running 3 457 while dealing around the same amount of damage, does fire faster thus resulting in a 10-12s faster kill, that faster kill time in turn reduces the pressure your vanguard is taking and could potentially save you from sinking at the last few seconds

[forest palm]

but you just included the vanguard in your argument

[noble tulip]

But yeah as cheeky said, that only really applies to gnei/scharnorst fights

[viscid swift]

you basically need to run a CB, Plymouth, Hindenburg/Unzen with that set up

not running Helena for consistency and 2 CBs is too much of a damage loss for one shots

[noble tulip]

Am I that bad at making my argument

[forest palm]

I see the vision, and merit of it, but find it impractical, and unappealing

[viscid swift]

it is impractical and unappealing

I knew that fully when I +13ed my 3rd 457

[noble tulip]

if you kill the boss, you're not taking any more damage right ? So that means your vanguard won't die in the last few seconds when you need to fire your 4th shot of champagne gun or w/e, that was my "argument for vanguard"

[undone plover]

Does the fact the 457 gun fires 2 shells make it miss less vs triple barrel?

[viscid swift]

there are 2 completely different arguments going on here

one for the economics and decision-making behind choosing to +13 3 457s and the other on what it does and how it succeeds with cost not being a factor

you're both right in your own ways

[spring bolt]

i think the biggest point is still helena sync, we are still not in a place where we can get rid of her in 2024
second is the cost/efficiency ratio, after all you do get lower salvo damage

killing the boss faster with 3x457 is not happening in every meta bosses, it doesn't justify the above 2 points

[undone plover]

I cant believe u guys are having a Georgia gun argument and pilica isnt here, lost opportunity smh

[cobalt rapids]

457 has less spread than champy thats all

[undone plover]

Yeah ik that much but would having 2 shell rng also be better than 3 shell rng? Guess it is hard to answer

[noble tulip]

Do you have a boss in mind that cannot be one shot using 3x 457 and cb/ply/hinden setup but can be with champy

[undone plover]

Rodney meta

[viscid swift]

well, there's just about every META after Scharnmhorst

[forest palm]

not really RNG, it has a designated target area which it'll land, they'll both splash in that area, a tighter spread reduces the splash, the other factor is hit/lck which is independent of either gun

[spring bolt]

no we have data for gun spread, 457 has smaller spread

[viscid swift]

Arizona and Algerie have their own 100% consistent one shot fleets that don't use 457s
Jintsuu, Helena, and Kirov are light armor
Rodney says fuck u to BBs
and QE well we haven't tested with Modern set ups yet

[cobalt rapids]

3 shell rng also means less dmg loss per missed shell

[undone plover]

Boss still moves and shells follow each other iirc
So having 2 shells only means the boss has a smaller window to dodge
I could be saying B.S tho

[noble tulip]

I formulated my message poorly, I meant that can't be one shot using 457 but can using champy

[glacial heath]

what is a replacement for shimanto?

[spring bolt]

a lot, since you can use helena with champ gun

[undone plover]

That is true

[viscid swift]

QE may or may not still hold true for that but obviously can't say for certain

[cobalt rapids]

depends on what u have, check the aa section for aa role
for burn extinguish role theres no replacement

[noble tulip]

QE yeah that's possible

[cobalt rapids]

also wdym by shells follow each other
spread is just a square and shells have random designations to drop within that square

[viscid swift]

some arbiters might also fall into that category

[forest palm]

time to demonstrate spread?

[glacial heath]

i have like cheshire, Hammann II, scylla, Gloucester to replace shimanto if i followed the tierlist right.

[undone plover]

I am having difficulty explaining it but
Let me see if I can record it later to explain what I mean
🙏

[noble tulip]

That was my first argument, I completely agree that if you’re running Helena, champy will always be better #gameplay-help message

[cobalt rapids]

gloucester and ham2 utility is not the same as shimanto utility ( hover for descriptions )
for aa yes its fine but also depends what other roles the fleet vang needs
sandy covers similar roles to shimanto except saving ur fleets from bb shelling and burning ur main but that is easily solvable by avoiding main formations

[half plover]

how long is the event still up? I am missing emden 😭

[forest palm]

tomorrois the last day

32 hrs 42 mins

[viscid swift]

remember, new event Thursday

[half plover]

ty, I think I don't have to worry about spending too many cubes then. but it would be so sad to miss out one event ship 😭

[remote yarrow]

If I didn't mess up, this should be the time it ends <t:1719471600:R>

[spring bolt]

well yeah, that's what i meant, we can't get rid of helena so most people wouldn't consider triple 457s.
or i guess a better answer to your original question is: people just use what they have

for old metas

[noble tulip]

Fair enough 👍

[keen comet]

Is this Anti-Aircraft strong at +10 or +12?

NOTE: I purchased it right now

[soft raft]

Bruh why did you craft it

[remote yarrow]

Why do ppl do this

[slender heart]

What is that?

[soft raft]

some goofy ahh AA gun I dont give a flying fuck about

[keen comet]

Because yes

[forest palm]

irrelevant that's what it is

[cobalt rapids]

consider gear always at +10
and dont go above unless u know what ure doing

[remote yarrow]

"Hey I crafted/bought this is, is it good?"
You should ask before

[soft raft]

Those 15 electronics man...

[spring bolt]

isn't that a roomba downgraded?

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[kind needle]

This good or should I change something?
(Mog gun taken by Harbin so, yeah.)

[soft raft]

wouldnt say she's a high prio for Roomba and I would prob use something besides the permit but looks decent enough

[cobalt rapids]

give her another toolkit instead of that permit aux or w.e and its fine

[spring bolt]

augment slot is empty, disturbing

[kind needle]

Idk which aa should I use

[cobalt rapids]

depends but any gold aa works till w13 +
twin 90 and twin 113 being some of the best

[spring bolt]

slap a fp aa gun on her and call it a day

[kind needle]

The problem is, gonna need her at W13

[spring bolt]

not high prio but usable

[kind needle]

Wait, I do have a trash bin lying around

This AA, I mean

[cobalt rapids]

just give her the twin 90

[remote yarrow]

Just give her the Twin 90mm

[kind needle]

Aight

[shy gate]

How does one activate blind labyrinth in the background during battles? I have heard other do it and am wondering if its was a limited equipment that allows that OST to play or something else?

[cobalt rapids]

is blind labyrinth the name of a song ?

[shy gate]

Ye

[sweet delta]

Why is it called blind labyrinth

[shy gate]

From the last U event

[cobalt rapids]

oh from the last muse event

[sweet delta]

Then it is equipment

[shy gate]

I’ve heard in PvP other fleets activating it and was wondering how I could. Didn’t know what equipment it was and thought someone here might know the exact equipment.

[kind needle]

Is odin gun faster than fdg gun?

[cobalt rapids]

there were 3 equips and its not the towels

[half plover]

which event will we get on thursday?

[remote yarrow]

#game-news

[cobalt rapids]

should be this one

[soft raft]

#game-news message

[shy gate]

Ty. I don’t think i have it ☹️

Is Cheshire worth upgrading?

[soft raft]

If you need AA for plane heavy content yes

[little tree]

Do you build completely diffrent Fleets for OPSI??

[soft raft]

Mob fleet, Triple BB Boss fleet, Triple CV Boss fleet, and either another boss fleet or crossfleet spam

[little tree]

okay im assuming that for later in OPsi i can only have 2 fleets atm

[shy gate]

Is Shinano good in terms of DPS?

[soft raft]

yeah
for now just stick to your regular campaign stuff

[spring bolt]

just accept the fact that you will need to change fleet/gear frequently in late game

[soft raft]

She's good in general
she doesnt really have much competition in terms of damage CV when it's mostly just Haku and Enterprise and 99% of the time she's gonna be with Haku and Enty will be elsewhere

[eager mulch]

what is general?

[remote yarrow]

#al-general

[eager mulch]

[merry sequoia]

The thing I dislike is I’m always juggling gears for Meta fight and I’m always wondering if my current opsi fleets even have gear

[silk helm]

How's this for absolute poverty

[remote yarrow]

you might aswell not use her

If that's only what you got

[silk helm]

This better?

[soft raft]

Not as a CL Main slot

[shy gate]

Those gems aren’t poverty

[silk helm]

I need a ib main fleet

[soft raft]

Triple 155 sucks as a CL Main gun due to the rather spread nature of its fixed pattern

[remote yarrow]

She's a vanguard tho

[shy gate]

Is the AL community tier list still a good reference for building fleets?

[silk helm]

Interesting

[remote yarrow]

Was it ever a reference towards that to start with? It's mostly to show how strong a ship is with gear recommendations

[warm flax]

How long is the duration of Guam's armor break?

[shy gate]

I was using it as one based on tier placements😐

[silk helm]

How's this for absolute poverty

[remote yarrow]

If you are using the Tierlist to make your fleets, it's... questionable

[slender heart]

6s

[shy gate]

Oof

Well, guess i gotta overhaul my entire fleet organization

[silk helm]

I only have one ib bb

[clever sun]

When is the next UR event?

[remote yarrow]

Cuz slapping a full UR team won't help you with W15 or even W14 depending on what you got or are using

[eternal moth]

No CL secondary, and you should have white shell instead of autoloader

[clever sun]

What is the emojji mean

[shy gate]

Were the two French Ur’s worth grinding for? I know people were clowning on mogador for a bit and I’m wondering if it was worth my cubes

[calm ledge]

will warspite's retrofit item be removed from the shop on monthly reset?

[eternal moth]

Autoloader is only good for timing adjustments, it doesn't actually help your damage in any noticeable way

[shy gate]

*For the other one

[remote yarrow]

"We don't know" "Who knows" "it's uncertain"

[silk helm]

I can put an aa for the third one ye?

[clever sun]

Thanks, are all UR ships good?

[remote yarrow]

Not Warspite

[remote yarrow]

I wouldn't recommend her, too expensive for a BB that's worse than some SRs

[clever sun]

Is UR event always giving free UR?

[eager mulch]

no

[merry sequoia]

UR is every 3 months

[remote yarrow]

No

[merry sequoia]

So whenever Alsace came out, count three months later

[eternal moth]

AA gun doesn't really matter at low levels, so just put whatever you have there. The secondary gun you want as much FP as possible, so a CL gun with all FP is recommended

[stark quiver]

All UR gacha ships are good, some get power crept by others, but nonetheless, it’s still very good

[clever sun]

So some need to pay or need requirement to get or else?

[shy gate]

I got lucky to get Ulrich right off the bat during her rerun

[shy gate]

Cubes and luck

[clever sun]

Thanks

[merry sequoia]

I got uvh at 199/200 when she first released

[shy gate]

if not in the shop its cubes and luck to the man juju god

[eternal moth]

UR ships are also only really good if you can max limit break them

[stark quiver]

You need cubes, and coins , 400 cubes to hard pity and 330k coins iirc

[silk helm]

Better?

[remote yarrow]

Decent enough

[silk helm]

Tyty

[eternal moth]

You obviously want to level your gear ASAP, but prioritize the main gun

[remote yarrow]

AL is so generous towards Gacha currency you won't ever need to spend on pulls if you play consistently

Unless you pull on permanent banners or waste cubes on random stuff, which is a big nono

[stark quiver]

“Tilt building” as one guy who pulled 7 alsaces said, is a very bad thing

[clever sun]

How to get guild coin fast?

[eternal moth]

I don't remember saying that...

[stark quiver]

Not you bud , I trust you have more than enough brain cells

Some guy who’s been here for 3 weeks and refuses to improve

[shy gate]

Is Owari a good boss fleet ship or mob?

[wispy pendant]

"tilt" ?

[eternal moth]

Although I did pull 7 Alsace while trying to get the purple lol

[remote yarrow]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#currency

[clever sun]

So no using any cubes until UR event right? How about research project? What should i focus on and what should i spend for it?

[stark quiver]

Basically the guy just wanted to spend all his resources just because

[remote yarrow]

Works on both

[wispy pendant]

was that hamaal?

[stark quiver]

I have no clue why, maybe it’s the adrenaline of getting something I’ll never know

[remote yarrow]

Nah it was the itheberke guy

[eternal moth]

I also had the cubes reserved to do so, as I still have 1100 in the bank. Doing that with less than 400 is a really bad idea

[remote yarrow]

And he's "proud" about his dumb spending on 7 Alsaces

[stark quiver]

Hamaal had a goal, that guy didn’t

[eternal moth]

Some people also have a gambling addiction.

[wispy pendant]

guy needs help beyond what we offer here.

[remote yarrow]

Not only URs you should spend them on Event banners, although if you don't have many cubes you should ask us if it's worth pulling for X ship

[merry sequoia]

Do we still get the event trophies after clearing D3?

[heady pier]

how much stuff does anchorage need?

[merry sequoia]

I don’t even look at the rewards anymore

[eternal moth]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[eager mulch]

343 bps

[stark quiver]

Yes

If you didn’t have it already

[clever sun]

Thanks, how about research academy? I dont know what should i focus on

[heady pier]

hmm i have 313 and im still at 199/300 should i cancel it out once it reaches 343?

[remote yarrow]

And for research check out the "Research Project Priority" part of this guide https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[clever sun]

Thanks

[remote yarrow]

If you are not in W12 yet don't go crazy about spending on Research

[eager mulch]

If you are not in W12 yet don't go crazy about Research

[remote yarrow]

Tho you can do the ones with a C that don't require coins or anything in the meantime I guess

[eternal moth]

Do you have Implacable, or AvP at FS5?

[eager mulch]

fixed it for you

[hushed aurora]

Might sound dumb but how do I use my coins? I am full I am full but I have no Project, Gear or ship to use it on I am kinda tied to materials

[eager mulch]

if soft cap then don’t care, keep grinding 💪

[remote yarrow]

I mean C type is free to do

Although is bad, it's better than not doing anything

[eager mulch]

I used to do C researches

[silk helm]

thanks i +8 all of them

[heady pier]

i do have not

[remote yarrow]

Just +10 the Main gun you are gonna use it until late game anyways

[half plover]

do I want to exchange for new jersey or shinano

[remote yarrow]

Without any context Shinano

There's better UR BBs to choose from

[wispy pendant]

BBs are lower investment to get gud

[eager mulch]

in a vacuum I’m taking shitnano

[eternal moth]

That's a good start. Try to get at least the main gun to +10 when you can, 406mk6 is worth it

[half plover]

ty

[silk helm]

okay i have 2 others at +8 should i +10 those as well

[wispy pendant]

+10 all gear you're using tbh

[remote yarrow]

Yes 406mk6 is the best HE Gun you'll get until MK7

[silk helm]

time to spend all my upgrade materials

[hushed aurora]

Do you guys think its worth it to buy kawakaze in merit shop?

[wispy pendant]

she's decent, but like, many others are decent. how do you define worth?

[hushed aurora]

Well is she often in the shop?

[remote yarrow]

Don't go too crazy tho only upgrade the ones you will use later or Transitional gear

[wispy pendant]

cycles around

[silk helm]

i'll check the +13 guide first

[stark quiver]

That doesn’t make a ship worth it to get

[wispy pendant]

take note, if you upgrade it in the gear lab later, you get your plates back if you had it upgraded earlier

[remote yarrow]

Uh? Check this out better https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

Most of the gear there even if purple are worth to +10

[hushed aurora]

If I see that. How do I get stuff for Gear lab? Is it strictly operation siren?

[silk helm]

nvm

[clever sun]

Thanks, i wont. Im lagging do much that my message stop loading 💀

[hushed aurora]

So I should focus on Siren then? Is this fleet enough even for later?

[remote yarrow]

Try to do whatever you can

If it's your first clear try to reach Chapter 4 of the Opsi "campaign"

[hushed aurora]

Ok

[sweet delta]

Massively better

[remote yarrow]

You got... 6 days left counting this one

[hushed aurora]

What? its nor permanent?

[remote yarrow]

It resets every month

[clever sun]

Hey should i change my brest catch up to any other ship in research academy? I usually focus on free research or commission research too

[remote yarrow]

You should probably change it to FdG

And for the Focus itself Season 4

Like this

[silk helm]

hell ya i'm coming for fdg

[clever sun]

Thanks, what is fdg?

[merry sequoia]

Friedrich

[remote yarrow]

Friedrich der Grobe

[hollow gust]

DR bb from season 2

[remote yarrow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Friedrich_der_Große this girl

[merry sequoia]

When Tirpitz, Bisko, and Graf Zepp were the only SSR ironblood at the time of fdg

[clever sun]

I dont see her

[remote yarrow]

PR2

[stark quiver]

pr2

[soft raft]

PR2 not PR4

[clever sun]

Now focus on PR4 right?

[remote yarrow]

Yes , Focus on PR4 and Catchup on FdG

Tho since you aren't in W12 yet just do free researches for now

[clever sun]

Thanks guys

[agile berry]

do we know what rate up banner there will be after this one?

[remote yarrow]

#game-news message <t:1719471600:R>

[agile berry]

is she super rare or ultra rare?

[remote yarrow]

SR

[eager mulch]

And elite

[soft raft]

Altvir and Z47 are SR, the other two are Elite
Dont expect the next new gacha UR until September, and we might get a UR rerun next month

[remote yarrow]

Since you are new I would wait before spending all your cubes on the banner tho since we don't know how good the ships will be

But for new SRs atleast one of them tends to be decent, but we never know

[agile berry]

altvir and z47 are both new chars? I only see z46 on the tier list

[viscid swift]

Yes

4 new ships with the upcoming event

[remote yarrow]

It's not Z46, they are Z47 and Z43

[soft raft]

cant tier something that isnt in the game yet

[agile berry]

why so many Zs

[soft raft]

idk go ask the germans
go ask them why they didnt bother giving their DDs proper names

[agile berry]

yea I felt like I've seen Z40 something on the tier list so I thought she wasnt new

[remote yarrow]

The new ships are Altivr, Z47,Z43 and U-31

[eternal moth]

Z46 is old

[remote yarrow]

I see you are talking about the tierlist, don't get too into it, use it as a general understanding on how good a ship is and not the Bible

Cuz then you'll end up using your "better tiered ships" while maybe not being an optimal or good fleet

[agile berry]

don't mind me I'm just an average meta slave player
although I'll try to not make these mistakes

I still have to learn the terms tho

[remote yarrow]

We also care about "meta" in here but not mindlessly throwing in "the best" into fleets

[viscid swift]

Being meta means far more than just blindly following tier lists

[agile berry]

I'm just checking it so I don't do mistakes like throwing my cubes randomly on banners who aren't worth it

[remote yarrow]

If you play consistently you'll have enough cubes to get the banner ships you want

Unless you get incredibly unlucky ofc

[agile berry]

yeah I heard that I can earn a lot of cubes just by doing dailies and weeklies

[calm ledge]

of all these who would be worth replacing warspite with? if warspite isn't very good

[soft raft]

Warspite is dogshit indeed
Nelson after retrofit would b the best option out of those

[remote yarrow]

Every month you get 168* cubes guaranteed + whatever you get from commissions

And active player gets around 200~ every month

[calm ledge]

eh i levelled her because i liked her

[remote yarrow]

Since you are from Lil E, get Hood from medal shop

[hollow gust]

Seylitz is a solid BC if you have enough resources

[remote yarrow]

Unless you got Warspite from Medal shop

[calm ledge]

ehehe

[soft raft]

Christ

[remote yarrow]

ngl that's -80 medals early on, but w/e use Seyd or Nelson for now

[calm ledge]

she's served me well for a start at least

[soft raft]

that's because anything works pre-w12, including the most garbage units

[remote yarrow]

Well everything works in early campaign

[calm ledge]

but yeah i'll stick with seydlitz as a replacement then

[remote yarrow]

I would say Nelson but she needs retro and you are probably doing Unicorn's rn so yeah, just Seyd

[calm ledge]

yeah

[keen sable]

diverting 4 bulins to seyd is really sus

are you sure you don't have enterprise?

[remote yarrow]

Yeah rather than replacing her with another BB do you have a CV or something?

[whole crypt]

just use Nelson anyway

[calm ledge]

i picked illustrious instead of enterprise lol

[wispy pendant]

I can't explain why, but leveling up seyd with lutz was really fun, seyd goes fast and hard

[calm ledge]

i don't regret the decision she's cute

[agile berry]

when does the banner change btw? there is the date but not a timer

[whole crypt]

that's 2 SRs to raise if you use that combination

[whole crypt]

game will go into maintenance on day change from Wed to Thu on server time, and the banner will be gone after that

[keen sable]

picked with what?

[remote yarrow]

After maintenance which is <t:1719471600:R>

[wispy pendant]

midnight pst tomorrow

[soft raft]

maint for the next event starts in like 31 hours

[calm ledge]

i got her from that ticket in the previous event

[wispy pendant]

how did you do that fancy time stamp thing

[remote yarrow]

I googled how to do it

[eager mulch]

if medal shop is CA/SS then what is y’all’s rookie mission ship prio list?

[viscid swift]

Gold bullins and prototype cores at that point

[whole crypt]

medal selection doesn't really affect rookie mission ship priority, besides picking between Hood and Enterprise

[keen sable]

you get who you need

[eager mulch]

people are reccing sandy now over Enty and hood

[viscid swift]

Who

[whole crypt]

she's good but not for early game

[wispy pendant]

get them all tbh

[remote yarrow]

Who's people

[eager mulch]

ectl newcomers

[whole crypt]

we absolutely recommend San Diego... when you can afford to use her

[remote yarrow]

But they are probably recommending her cuz they maybe already got Enty and Hood

[whole crypt]

which is not as a new player

[eager mulch]

[viscid swift]

Tell them to shut up with my regards, thank you

[whole crypt]

San Diego is just still really expensive for a lot of nothing in early game

[calm ledge]

oh i didn't realise i could pick enterprise from finishing newbie missions, is she the best choice there then?

[remote yarrow]

Hit them with you know what word ectl likes using

[eager mulch]

[keen sable]

probably if you lack any decent carriers

[wispy pendant]

tag them with sh!tposter and forget them

(also, please remove my sh!tposter tag)

[viscid swift]

If you don't have her yes

[whole crypt]

her or Hood, but by the time you clear rookie missions I'd say Nelson is also fair game so Hood has less priority

[remote yarrow]

I wonder if that Bearn is even fully upgraded

Like Rigging wise

[whole crypt]

probably not for fortification, and a long way to go for skills

[calm ledge]

i'm fairly new, she's not fully upgraded yet

[eager mulch]

I don’t have that power

[calm ledge]

definitely not on skills lol

[keen sable]

see that's more informative...

[whole crypt]

Illustrious is not as bad as she used to be if you get her augment, but that's fairly costly as well

[keen sable]

6 of one, half a dozen of the other. you either go Hood and retro sara, or Enterprise and retro Nelson

[viscid swift]

Medal shop resets in a few days anyway

[remote yarrow]

DD SS inc

[eager mulch]

holy shit sandy aug gives fp and eva? how broken is San diego

[soft raft]

Double SS

[wispy pendant]

i would recommend hood slightly more because battle cruiser

[remote yarrow]

Yes

[viscid swift]

Spreadsheet says she's perfectly balanced

[soft raft]

Not because she's a good ship?

Also if its specifically for hard mode requirements, Seydlitz is a BC

[remote yarrow]

But I guess broken enough for ECTL to bump her to EX

[warm flax]

Who should tank here?

[eager mulch]

TEX AA tag

[viscid swift]

Plymouth

[wispy pendant]

yeah, just saying if you get hood, you're covered for hard mode, if you don't, you have to find another BC and start working on them

[warm flax]

And who's mid

[viscid swift]

Not sure what that fleet is for but

[silver lintel]

W15 boss fleet?

[eager mulch]

it’s dead

[viscid swift]

That's dead

[wispy pendant]

is sandy more tanky than plymouth now?

[remote yarrow]

That's unalived

[eager mulch]

@slow fox

[warm flax]

So I need a tank

[calm ledge]

of these CAs is there anyone that stands out?

[silver lintel]

Use guam/brest/ancho

[viscid swift]

Yes

[whole crypt]

thing about Sandy and actually Laffey II as well, if you have to tag them do they really still deserve the TEx at that point, but people will dunk on ectl anyway for shits and giggles

[viscid swift]

If you need fleet help just start a thread and post your dock

Much more efficient and straightforward

[soft raft]

At most San Fran but even then she doesnt stand out enough to avoid being sidelined in the long run

[silver lintel]

Run shimanto mob

[calm ledge]

ah ok

[wispy pendant]

SanFran very good, talinn decent, balti eagle CV buffer, the other two are meh

[warm flax]

Is sandy enough for the aa in boss?

[soft raft]

what content you doing?

[whole crypt]

what boss

[warm flax]

W15

[remote yarrow]

W15 it seems

[silver lintel]

Sandy alone is more than enough

[viscid swift]

What even is the mob fleet

[whole crypt]

if she's properly geared yes

just being San Diego doesn't automatically qualify her if your AA setup is shit

[remote yarrow]

Why is Laffii tanking

[hollow gust]

She is tankier then Guam for w15 mob

[eager mulch]

laffii can tank

[remote yarrow]

She is?

[silver lintel]

Laffii tanking is better than guam, and volga heals her a lot

[remote yarrow]

I knew she can tank but tankier than Guam for mob?

[hollow gust]

Laffey is giga tanky lmao, it's hilarious

[eager mulch]

she has a zombie skill

[whole crypt]

it's not about her zombie skills

[viscid swift]

I reiterate she's a cockroach

Bloody annoying to kill

[eager mulch]

I never said it was, just that she has one

[whole crypt]

if Laffey needs to go down to her zombie skill in a campaign she's in trouble anyway

[eager mulch]

they gave her mog’s French saturation

[sharp socket]

enty doesnt make much difference from indep in wichita meta, even when she triggers lucky E its like a 20% increase over indep but the stars have to align for helena to proc to be better than indep

her first converge will miss all by a tiny bit, her second will hit and third will miss half

indep is just more consistent because her first and second and half of third will hit all the time

4 saiun kai and 4 bf109 hits more than 2 bf109 3 tenrai and 3 saiun kai

[soft raft]

at this point why are you using Indep with non-American planes

or why are you even using her there in the first place

[sharp socket]

converge performs better by like 6%

the planes never miss so its easy for me to calc

to answer your second question its because she lines up well with helena and the boss stopping

enty is a tiny bit desynced with the boss stopping

i could give her slightly faster firing with something from core shop but i havent figured out if thats good enough

[whole crypt]

the only thing that matters is does it reduce the number of runs you need

[hollow gust]

If enty desyncs then independence does it even harder ? She has a natural 25% partial preload that fucks with timing. Especially when implacable is quite strong on this meta . I don't see how independence is favored over enterprise . Not to mention with the existence of Yorktown 2. Enty is a really easy sync

[silver lintel]

I dont rly bother with optimizing meta showdown as long as i can 2 shot

[sharp socket]

my other backline options include hood, dev20 fdg, unicorn and saratoga

[whole crypt]

if it does then you do you because that sounds scuffed as hell regardless

[sharp socket]

i have no implac, yorkii, or any other options you have brewing

[whole crypt]

I'm tempted to tell you to just give up trying to optimize because that's just shit regardless

[soft raft]

Either way this sounds like way too much mental gymnastics that could be solved by using AvP/Implacable

[elfin hollow]

Enty isnt even 2/3/3, if you calc'd that you did it wrong

She's 3/3/2

[sharp socket]

my runs are slightly at risk of being 5 shot, though i think thatll disappear with next month

[viscid swift]

they don't have either AvP or Implacable

[sharp socket]

ideally id like to 3pan

max 4

[viscid swift]

or much of anything for that matter

it's a miracle they even have 2 MLB UR BBs they can use

[whole crypt]

just keep requesting assist and pray

[sharp socket]

does assist still give me points

[viscid swift]

it's better than my 10 run Helmet kills anyhow

[sharp socket]

does it give full points or just a fraction

[whole crypt]

it doesn't matter how she dies

[viscid swift]

full

[elfin hollow]

Assists have a different point amount than your own bosses

[whole crypt]

your own showdowns are always full points

[sharp socket]

theres assist runs spamming all the time

[hollow gust]

just wait for it, you have 24hrs

[whole crypt]

you assisting others is up to 1/5 of the points of said tier if you make the damage check

but your own showdowns are always same max points for kill regardless of how boss is killed

[sharp socket]

i dont think people will scroll for my meta fight after 5 minutes but ill give it a shot regardless

[silver lintel]

How much damage dealt to get full 75pts? Is it 75% hp?

[soft raft]

like 1 mil damage I think

[whole crypt]

you can request assist again after 30 min

[viscid swift]

there's a lot of people doing assists early on in the season

[hollow gust]

doing ~1million should give maxed points

[whole crypt]

70%

[silver lintel]

Nvm then, i can only hit 800k

[whole crypt]

it's consistently been around the 70% mark regardless of actual HP

800k should be 73 you're fine

if I remember correctly it's just mlb one day later and 70k on the same day as 75s as long as you're not missing anything

[silver lintel]

I hate how your assist attempt vanishes if u dc from the game

[graceful meteor]

iirc you will still get minimum pts even if dc

[remote yarrow]

@vivid flicker It's at the bottom of this page https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#finite-currency

As a tip, if you plan on staying F2P don't spend your gems on skins, rings, packs, oil, coins,etc since you will need dock space and a few dorm upgrades if you grind alot

[vivid flicker]

I have no choice but to stay F2P, lol

[slow fox]

no

iirc Plym 116
Sandy 106

[remote yarrow]

Thanks MeBot

[forest palm]

that's still a good benchmark

[hot bobcat]

Alright. Now that fleet 1 has everyone now, i want to get ahead of the game plan and get a 2nd fleet on the ready

Which ones should i go?

[remote yarrow]

Wait what's your current fleet?

[soft raft]

question: are you at at least W9 yet or no?

[remote yarrow]

Cuz you are missing quite a few limit breaks if Fleet 1 is the one you are using

And you should be done with that first

[hot bobcat]

No, but i want to get ahead of the game. Plus i like to keep myself busy as much as possible while playing this. (This is the one i got for fleet 1)

[remote yarrow]

Swap Laffey and Portland around

And why be busy with another thing when you are already working on that fleet?

[soft raft]

then just focus on raising that fleet for now (not lke you really have many good units for a 2nd fleet ready yet)
Also why is Laffey main tanking

[hot bobcat]

I like planning ahead and want to keep myself busy so than after finishing fleet one i wont be bored from trying now. (As for that info on swapping around the vanguard, thx!)

[remote yarrow]

Wait, I wanna address the elephant in the room, you aren't limit breaking NJ as soon as you get a Bulin right?

[sweet delta]

You know full well that that's what every new player does

[hot bobcat]

Well... i may have done that once... but only once, i only had gotten one UR bulin since... ever

[remote yarrow]

Yeah, for the future, save up until you got/can get 4 UR Bulins

[hot bobcat]

Wait. I should keep LB'ing NJ??

[remote yarrow]

She's not bad, but there's better UR BBs I would say either wait for Vanguard rerun or for a new UR

[hot bobcat]

So really its just a waiting game for july.... ughhhh... what about mogador?

[sweet delta]

in the same boat

[remote yarrow]

vanguard/frontline ships are lower prio

[hot bobcat]

So has there been any info on what the new UR's are yet?

[remote yarrow]

And for this I can't say too many ships without going into "if this happens, if that happens, but you may get this"

Once you get Nelson she's fine to level up and retro for your second fleet

[undone plover]

some ships u can raise later when u MLB and retro your current fleet is saratoga and nelson
although looks like u already retired your nelson

[remote yarrow]

Or he hasn't got her from rookie yet or as a drop

Since he doesn't have any retro yet and rookie requires both Portland and a starter DD to be retro iirc

[hot bobcat]

I havent gotten that one like at all. Buuut... that does give me something to grind for

[undone plover]

oh true.. I saw kashino and thought he has been playing for a while just not very active
didnt realize she was perma already

[hot bobcat]

Yeah i have only played for 21 days roughly now

[untold trout]

when fredirchs development asks for exp from iron blood main fleet, does it have to specifically be iron blood? since sakura is part of iron blood could i also use them and gain some exp?

[remote yarrow]

So for now I would say, work on the fleet you got
Retro Unicorn > Portland > Laffey
After that work into either Saratoga retro or Nelson

[sweet delta]

No, Japan was not part of Germany

[remote yarrow]

Iron blood and Sakura Empire are part of Crimson Axis

[untold trout]

ah,

[hot bobcat]

Hm alright. What if i tossed saratoga and nelson in the same fleet for fleet 2?

[remote yarrow]

Like to level them rn? Bad idea, finish leveling and limit breaking the ones you got on fleet 1

[hot bobcat]

Okay. Well at least i can get xp and stuff while drawing out the w2 draws

[remote yarrow]

I'm just saying when you actually need a second fleet both Nelson and Sara would be 2 ships to work on

[hot bobcat]

Alright. This should keep me busy. Thx btw

[undone plover]

who is the wolfpack flag? u96?

[hot bobcat]

Uhhh u-569, u-94, and u-406 if im not mistaken

[undone plover]

it is 96-81-37/47 but not sure about the flag

[sweet delta]

47 if used her, else 81 or 37

[undone plover]

37 is preferred over 47 correct?

[hot bobcat]

Arent most subs... useless??

[sweet delta]

Like most surface ships

[remote yarrow]

Yes and no, subs aren't really used up until W14 but once you use then they are pretty helpful

[undone plover]

early game u dont need em and is a waste to invest in them when u have other ships to level but later on they are very useful

[hot bobcat]

Hmmm, okay

[forest palm]

[viscid swift]

simply put even if you wanted to you can't
you have some solid options for a 2nd fleet like Theseus but no bullins to use on them

[hot bobcat]

Hmm so theseus, saratoga and nelson...

[remote yarrow]

For Later

[crisp estuary]

[viscid swift]

Don't run before you can walk

Your first fleet is still a bit of a mess

[soft raft]

you cant

[viscid swift]

You can't

[soft raft]

also lol why would the devs turn that into a toggle

[undone plover]

dont use BB

[loud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[remote yarrow]

#game-feedback would like to hear your opinions!

[hot bobcat]

Well good thing the grindstone of searching for nelson is also lvl'ing up my fleet one. Two birds one stone

[sharp socket]

can i sync 0 rld enty to wichita meta just with homing beacon

[eager mulch]

how expensive is maxed sandy

[sharp socket]

timing math is pain with hundredths of a second being in play

[loud rover]

extremely, not recommended for new players. even more so since she got a personal aug

[remote yarrow]

Like from scratch? about 95k

Limit breaks + Retro + Augment

[uncut oar]

why would you want to toggle off slow mo when it actively helps your hitrate

[wind hazel]

wait, it does?

[hollow gust]

it makes it easier to aim i guess but who tf manauls

[viscid swift]

ait you're actively trying to farm for Nelson as a map drop?

[wind hazel]

isn't the guy talking about the slow mo when the salvo launches?

[uncut oar]

yes, because the fact that slow mo exists but the first salvo's shells flies at regular speed basically makes enemy movement irrelevant on that first salvo

[viscid swift]

#game-feedback is that way everyone

[wind hazel]

does that mean BB in pvp is actually not that accurate?

depends on what you're looking for

[hollow gust]

well depends on what you are doing

[viscid swift]

define best DD
generally a pretty bad question though seeing as best is always situationally dependent

[soft raft]

"Best" is dependent on what you're looking for in a DD but yes she's very good

[sharp socket]

does anyone have a video of wichita meta fight with the speedrun timer

[remote yarrow]

Why would you need an speedrun timer when there's a timer in top right? but I guess you can look in #media-content

[sharp socket]

or any timer with hundredths of second precision

[uncut oar]

related question because that got me thinking, is laf2 actually best at any one specific thing out of DDs?

[wind hazel]

at surviving

[viscid swift]

what no
you have Kazagumo who is invaluable in IJN CV fleets
Moagdor does straight up more damage than her and so do the DDGs against light

Laffey is stupidly tank and has good AA but she's not the best DD, whatever that actually means

[jaunty vault]

best AA out of all DDs
i think

[sharp socket]

enty with homing beacon will fire at 21.62, 43.24, 64.86, 86.48

[hollow gust]

laffey is an top option for eagle opsi fleets

[uncut oar]

wouldn't be surprised

[sharp socket]

i need to figure out travel time and stopping time of boss

unless that info is somewhere

[uncut oar]

also hi cooper

[hollow gust]

maybe you shouldve started coining august, solves 95% of your problems

[sharp socket]

if it isnt ill do it myself

[hollow gust]

or just use BBs, not like a newbie is gonna optimise CV well enough

[loud rover]

highest AA by 6 at 120 on wiki. surprisignly a benson class DD is tied for 2nd

[viscid swift]

insert disclaimer of faction fleets being suboptimal here

[sharp socket]

why do people run faction fleets anyway

[wind hazel]

fun

[uncut oar]

wehraboo/other similar sentiments

[eager mulch]

no way cooper is here

[sharp socket]

is it because its more optimal than mismosh of good ships that cant make a full set of top ships

[viscid swift]

absolutely not

[loud rover]

its less optimal to run faction fleets

[uncut oar]

which is really funny in a game whose story involves every nation working together even the Axis ones, but I digress

[hollow gust]

that well it all depends on what fleets you are running

[viscid swift]

people cope too much about the value of faction buffs in faction fleets

[eager mulch]

but nagato buff

[hollow gust]

sakura and Ironblood simps

[eager mulch]

also is fdsmol the faction leader for the little ships

[uncut oar]

I see more eagle simps than sakura simps honestly

[sharp socket]

i ate my little friedrice already

[eager mulch]

what the fuck is a kilometer

[viscid swift]

#al-general

[ember totem]

[hollow gust]

wanna count how many nagato copium in gph?

[sharp socket]

what nickname does this AA have

[south sequoia]

pastAA

[uncut oar]

pastAA

[viscid swift]

it doesn't really have one

[eager mulch]

twin 90

[sacred silo]

Is smol Shinano comparable to Saratoga dpswise

[eager mulch]

not to be confused with single 90

[sharp socket]

i call it the round one, so its either twin 90 or pastaa

[viscid swift]

a pre retro saratoga yes, post retro and augmented noooo

[eager mulch]

4 o’s

[uncut oar]

SaraT0ga

[sacred silo]

I already have smol Shinano built and my Saratoga is only at 70

[sharp socket]

this reminds me to give sara her aug

avp will go into boss right

[eager mulch]

sure

[sharp socket]

is her damage significant compared to sara

[hot bobcat]

Yeah

[viscid swift]

unless you have another reason for farming said map don't

you're guranteed to get her from the 2nd stage of the rookie missions and you're are nowehere close to investing in her anyway

[sharp socket]

after i get avp i might be able to do a CV fleet for ops

also a BB fleet, but now i severely lack vanguards

[jade heart]

If i missed shinano original event how do I get kashino cargo equipment

[eager mulch]

wait

[sharp socket]

maybe i should pull next event and hope i get some vanguards i can use

[hollow gust]

? the best vangurds are literally perm

[eager mulch]

unzen isn’t

[soft raft]

Aviation Materials is in core data
Naval gun parts are currently in no perament sources

[hot bobcat]

Darn

[hollow gust]

u use unzen for bb?

[eager mulch]

I don’t play the game anymore

[hollow gust]

skill issue

[eager mulch]

freedom brother 🦅

[jade heart]

rip, gg wanted her for a bb team

[eager mulch]

waste of a slot

[sharp socket]

research is very slow

[hollow gust]

wut?

[soft raft]

???
She would just be a waste of a slot there
Kashino has like zero mainline use

[eager mulch]

yeah cause she’s a vanguard ship 4head

[sharp socket]

plymouth, brest, agir, hinden, anchorage
i only have anchorage of these

[jade heart]

oh I can only use one cargo item, thought I can use 3 :/

[buoyant palm]

how do i play this game im so lost, anyone got a guide for dummies or can help started playing like an hour ago

[soft raft]

Give this a read, and feel free to ask here if you got any more questions and/or want clarification about any part of this guide
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[buoyant palm]

whats BB

[candid meteor]

battleships

[mellow hornet]

Does xp from commissions count for pr?

[candid meteor]

no

[zinc turret]

Long short story buy helena , unicorn , portland at guild shop , clear campaign as much as u can and do the event map cuz its will end in arround 1 day left and grab t4 gear box at event shop cuz newbie really struggle with gear

[buoyant palm]

i got prinz heinrich is that worth using while i do the campaign

[viscid swift]

nope

[sharp socket]

does brennus or bremerton do any kind of damage

compared to SR CA/CL vanguard options

[viscid swift]

they're unremarkable

[jaunty vault]

gotta be more specific on who youre comparing them with

[sharp socket]

baltimore is worth as a eagle cv buffer while also tanking right

[jaunty vault]

wouldn't use her as tank

[sharp socket]

offtank?

[viscid swift]

she's not a tank even when not sortied with EU CVs

[jaunty vault]

sure

[sharp socket]

what % of port kai is she if that info is available

[viscid swift]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit#gid=0

might wanna bookmark that

[hot bobcat]

@viscid swift while getting the bulins from side quests could i just use the ships that are dupes as free ways to get ships i want? (Like bismarck and belfast?)

[crimson rock]

I just need one more cube(and a whole tonne more coins) and i could force the pity system on the Permanent UR, worth or hold off? (If yes I will be going to grab Shinano)

[eager mulch]

no point in rushing

for something that is permanent

[sharp socket]

hold on the DDGs are twice as tanky as portland?

[viscid swift]

if you're not going to use them and thus limit break them yes

[crimson rock]

I suppose, I could always save cubes for later events I suppose

[sweet delta]

Do you know who the DDGs are?

[eager mulch]

I do

[hot bobcat]

Yeah thats the plan is to limit break all of fleet 1 (hood and unicorn are really close to MLB) and while at it getting bismarck and belfast

[viscid swift]

considering you have one more build ticket to use tomorrow

[sharp socket]

wait nevermind different chinese ship

ning hai is not a ddg

but ning hai and ping hai are twice as tanky as portland, and more than agir/ancho by alot

am i reading this right

[hot bobcat]

Heres where they're at on LB's

[viscid swift]

depends on how you look at it but you're definitely not reading the full picture

[sharp socket]

hmm is it cause of their armor type

but it shouldnt be that because heavy > medium > light unless its armor mods

[viscid swift]

no, among other things the issue is they are evasion tanks

[sharp socket]

is that why their deviation is so high

[viscid swift]

yes

[sharp socket]

alright i see

[hot bobcat]

Hmm... this looks good right?

[viscid swift]

there are also other issues

you have to sortie them with Yat Sen so that locks up 2 vanguards slots, their AA is terrible and damage not particularly impressive

[remote yarrow]

Should probably change the Main gun to Twin 410mm

[sharp socket]

huh i see

[viscid swift]

depends on what yoy have

among other things that aux gun can be better and a Twin 410mm would be preferable

[sharp socket]

then according to this chart ill stick with takao as other tank then

[forest palm]

slight adjustment, but

[viscid swift]

may as well change out the aux gun as well

to this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_128mm_(SK_C/41)#Type_3-0

[forest palm]

oh, right purple Twin 150

wait is purple bread box good enough?

[sharp socket]

so my cv fleet will be something like
enty sara avp
takao kazagumo baltimore

[hot bobcat]

This one that NJ has rn?

[viscid swift]

Hood can't equip CL aux guns

[forest palm]

oh, right

[hot bobcat]

Sooo what do i do with the other one? Give it to NJ?

[sharp socket]

mob will stay the same, BB will do something like
soyuz alsace fdg
anchorage helena tashkent

[forest palm]

triple 406 mk6

[remote yarrow]

I mean your NJ is not even MLB so might aswell just unequip all her gear

[hot bobcat]

That better for now? (This is all i got... 😭 )

[vale apex]

why did this not work for the other 2

[hot bobcat]

@remote yarrow prooobb best i dont mess with equipment as its a whole 'nother beast huh?

[viscid swift]

those are the mechanics of the bosses

[vale apex]

can you give for other 2 as well pls

[viscid swift]

you always want to try and improve your equipment, it is more important than your ship choice even

[viscid swift]

that's for all 3

[sharp socket]

should i make this for hood after my 2nd wyvern comes out

[hot bobcat]

Well... is it possible you can give me a crash course on it...? I know i can read it but i'm time crunching hard with other stuff and so far my strat has just been: one, make sure all the planes and guns are timed to fire all at once. Two, make sure they pack a shit ton of firepower

[sharp socket]

she currently has twin 410 kai

[forest palm]

nah that gun is just bad, 410 kai is better

[viscid swift]

just start a thread and post your gear, include what gear is equipped by tapping equipped on

[forest palm]

the only real upgrade to the 410 kai is the Twin 457

[viscid swift]

no, it's bad on everyone

[sharp socket]

alr then

[hot bobcat]

Alr... do i post the gear here or...

[viscid swift]

in a thread

[hot bobcat]

Thats what i meant is the thread. Sry for the miscommunication

[short wagon]

whats a secret ticket from thr gem store

[remote yarrow]

Secrets are basicaly ASMR audios from shipgirls and you need 3 to unlock one

[short wagon]

deadass?

[remote yarrow]

Yeah

Should you buy them as a F2P? Probably not even if it's 40 gems per

Since you get 1 each month just wait it out, you aren't missing on much

[sharp socket]

didnt mog’s asmr get deleted because of something and its free now

[remote yarrow]

It was supposed to be uploaded to Youtube but certain image and or the asmr itself was not Youtube Friendly

It's over at DLSite for free

[sharp socket]

it was like 26 mins of mog sniffing you and panting

too powerful for youtube i suppose

[plain saffron]

Would

[eager mulch]

Would

[soft raft]

Would

[balmy matrix]

What type of backline ship should I use for wichita meta?

[soft raft]

Doesn't matter if it's Triple CV, Triple BB, or a mix of both, as long as they're geared for anti-light armor and synced with eachother

[sweet delta]

Some mix of Yorkii kearsarge Implac Alsace Bisz vanguard

[stark quiver]

its 1.7 gb of anime moaning, im glad they banned that shit

[balmy matrix]

So it's not my time to defeat her easily

[viscid swift]

#al-general is that way

[silk sphinx]

They haven’t done any secrets reruns to date yeah?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[paper lantern]

event ends with tomorrow's reset, not today's, right?

[lofty zodiac]

W10+ fleet help

[vale apex]

any of these good to mlb?

the srs

[viscid swift]

Outside of tech not particularly

Maybe Jeanne

[rain vine]

jeanne darc can help with higher worlds

[vale apex]

alright

[frank pulsar]

sandy could be worth depending on your priorities

[vale apex]

warspite emdem and chapa?

[modern aurora]

Anyone got suggestions for a tanky IJN fleet?

[viscid swift]

Warspite is just tech

The other 2 maybe but they're not standouts

[vale apex]

i only have helena aurora and cleveland built for now , should i still not level them up? or should i wait for harbin(talking abt cls btw)

[slender heart]

Tanky? Run 3 tank if I'm understanding it correctly

[modern aurora]

I'm asking who would be in it and what makes them a "tank"

[viscid swift]

One, don't focus on hull types

Two, tech is tech as I said

[vale apex]

oh alright

[slender heart]

Azuma, unzen, harbin?

[viscid swift]

Well you're misconstruing what being tanky and a tank are

Also for what exactly

And usual disclaimer faction fleets are suboptimal

[stark quiver]

harbin not ijn

[slender heart]

Oh oops, I'm trippin. She's chinese

[shell willow]

is there some kind of known minreq for royal fortune sub weekly cheese?

[rain vine]

have her gear and a reasonable level

[shell willow]

oh so the gear is crucial? cause i dont have any

[rain vine]

if youre missing the cannons, then youre pretty much out of luck

[shell willow]

gg

[viscid swift]

What is thus even for lvl 65?

[shell willow]

i think i saw her clearing the highest one

[viscid swift]

Just max limit break I56, enhance her torps and she'll clear it just fine

[viscid swift]

She can yes, but are you actually in a position to clear it and drop 1500 core data and 4 gold bullins to do it

[stark quiver]

what was royal fortune's gear? the purple ones?

[shell willow]

i wouldnt even mind, i have enough of everything from core shop

[slender heart]

Cannons

[stark quiver]

oh shit.....

[viscid swift]

She can still do it with the stock guns she comes with

But you need more levels on her

[shell willow]

about how much?

[viscid swift]

110

[stark quiver]

so good news is i have her and her gear, should i level her? just like passively

[worldly epoch]

is Prototype BF-109G fighter good?

[viscid swift]

Just use your regular subs if you're leveling them anyway

[boreal oriole]

For Single target Medium Armor yes , usable on light

[viscid swift]

The sub daily raid isn't hard if you know the mechanics and requirements for an S clear

[worldly epoch]

those AP rockets got me intrigued

[calm rose]

doesnt the bf109g only loses to hvar on light?

[viscid swift]

It's more than just usable It's the second best fighter against light armor and first is event limited

[boreal oriole]

It can't intercept planes tho for cautioun

[slender heart]

Yes

[stark quiver]

i have flasher at 120, its just alba and archer, so i was wondering of i should just put royal fortune in while i spam d3

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't bother if you can quick clear at least level 65

[stark quiver]

oh yea i can clear 65 easily, but will rf be used like anywhere outside of sub raids?

[rain vine]

for any actual content? no

[viscid swift]

No

[shell willow]

ohh i didnt even know i dont need to do sub weekly manual every week. i was just gonna do it but gave me rewards instantly. in that case its really not worth getting royal fortune just for that

[slate zephyr]

Hey anybody know how the ship drops work for the main campaign? Is there a smaller chance for the rarer ships or is it an equal chance for all the possible drops

[zinc turret]

rarer is rarer

[rain vine]

higher rarities drop less often, if you go by usual convention
we dont actually know drop rates though'

[slate zephyr]

Makes sense. I've been trying to get javelin for a while on 2-1 but she won't drop

[calm rose]

just continue pushing campaign, dont stop at maps to farm for ship/gear

esp for starters, they drop at literally every map

[zinc turret]

and why tf u even need javelin for

[slate zephyr]

She's hot

[zinc turret]

u have ur own starter ship either z23 / laffey / javelin and u dont need more than 1 starter ship if u at super early game

[calm rose]

you'll eventually get her. just continue onwards to harder maps.

[slender heart]

None of the tempesta frigate gives fleet tech right?

[calm rose]

they give fleet tech for their class

[slender heart]

Oh for frigate only, gotcha

But none for mlb-ing royal fortune , oh well

[forest palm]

That's just faction tech

Fleet Tech is attaining, and Lv 120

[slender heart]

I'm looking for a reason outside weekly to mlb royal fortune, i think it's just not worth it at this point

[calm rose]

just save your gold bulin for the next event~

[forest palm]

There is none frigits are useless

[sharp socket]

can i open a stronghold and narbiter at the same time

being able to fight trash mobs to recover morale will make this way easier

itll take like 6 hits instead of probably like 15+

oh i cant even fight with low resolve

[plain saffron]

Yes

[frank pulsar]

if you dont have a stronghold just use a c1 zone

[sharp socket]

yeah i did that

is harbiter hard

[atomic rock]

I've hit the 30k milestone, yet I haven't got Seydlitz from drop or shop, should I keep farming the event stage

[sacred silo]

Trying to do the awakening commissions and whenever I pressed the reccomend button it says this. Is it a bug because if I add ships manually it works

[frank pulsar]

not rly, imho its like medium difficulty with full adapts
depends on how good your fleets and gear are though

[calm rose]

Yes, for a beginner/mid game player it defo is

[sharp socket]

does it have a selfheal skill

[steady beacon]

It does not

[calm rose]

That'll be crazy

[plain saffron]

Auto won't select ships in fleet etc

[sharp socket]

wonderful i can just hit over and over again

[frank pulsar]

you can't

[plain saffron]

It tries to take ships that's not used for anything at all

[calm rose]

Harbiter doesn't allow leaving to heal. So you just try your best and move on

[frank pulsar]

harbiter hp resets when you leave the zone, unlike normal

[sharp socket]

harbiter doesnt let you leave to heal

[steady beacon]

Just note you cannot heal and if you retreat it resets HP
So you can hit it with your four fleets, then finis

[sacred silo]

Yeah the ships I'm picking aren't in a fleet or doing opsi or anything

[sharp socket]

does it give good stuff

[frank pulsar]

you have to kill it with 4 fleets, no healing

[plain saffron]

It might be on any hard mode stages

[steady beacon]

Fewer rewards than normal Arbiter
But the rewards are still pretty good

[small fern]

I got unicorn and Nelson retrofit who should I go for next

[sharp socket]

can i get UR plans from it

[plain saffron]

That doesn't show any status on ship in dock

[frank pulsar]

portland

[sacred silo]

Oh I'll check that thanks

[sharp socket]

i doubt i can do harbiter with this

[frank pulsar]

its still worth doing as much dmg as you can to hit the reward milestones

[sharp socket]

oh alright

[forest palm]

All the desirable rewards are on normal, the best min goal for hard is 25% HP remaining

[frank pulsar]

but yea youre prob not gonna be able to kill

[slender heart]

What's with that 3rd fleet?

[eternal moth]

Mob fleet

[plain saffron]

Looks like mob, another mob...

Ouh right new player not enough ship

[slender heart]

Swap fdg with enty if that was me

[calm rose]

Enty will do better in fleet 1 probably. There's atleast Helena there

[warm flax]

Yeah

[slender heart]

Ahh, not enough vanguard

[pliant sparrow]

Is Emdem good?

[zenith pebble]

dencent

theres better iron blood, so unless you want to collect more tech points, shes not really worth getting

[uncut oar]

wasn't Emden like a good bit ahead of your usual gold SRs? I'm not sure about her being "not worth getting"

[thorn tartan]

i'm stuck

[calm rose]

Yes shit happens in hidden, just press exit

[sinful escarp]

wouldnt just moving around trigger tb assist?

[calm rose]

He can't physically get to the boxes and exit portal lmao no tb help will save you

[sinful escarp]

ahhh

[small fern]

Alrighty

[sinful elk]

the higher the stage in hard mode the better chance of dropping T3 blueprints right

[plain saffron]

Nobody knows really
But higher give more core data

[sinful elk]

alr

[elfin hollow]

Is Emden good

[fresh tangle]

Yes she’s good

[agile sky]

should i use bp exchange on FdG since she's basically the best? Or should i NOT do that since I can coin her bp?

[forest palm]

We're getting a modified Torp Mag

[forest palm]

Coin is the smarter move

[dull saddle]

when is the next ur coming?

like approx date

[remote yarrow]

We don't know

[dull saddle]

im kinda low on cubes rn, so should i save or pull on the next event?
btw its a kms event right?

[remote yarrow]

1. Probably not pull unless one of the ships is good
2. Yes

[sleek spade]

mid September

isnt new UR comes like mid Sept every year?

[reef flume]

Yes

[sleek spade]

yeee nice

[remote yarrow]

Supposedly but who knows what devs might come out with

[reef flume]

Mid september or days close mid september

[dull saddle]

will there be any ur reruns in between?

[reef flume]

Prob Vanguard rerun in august

[remote yarrow]

Vanguard most likely

[reef flume]

Depends if it will be announced in EN livestream

[reef flume]

Rn, I feel like Yamato could be the most possible option (but it's too early to make such claims, so I'd say with a 65-70% possibility)

[sleek spade]

I want Yama

[reef flume]

I swear me too

[modern aurora]

Currently my META Showdown fleet. Assuming the enemy requires AP shells, do I need to swap out any of the ships or is this already good?

[sleek spade]

and Nagato retro...