gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

better to fire twice than fire once for low damage

[steady beacon]

Ye that looks fine

[strong tartan]

thats true also yes that's fine

[jaunty vault]

is fine

[whole crypt]

where do you need these AA guns

because honestly as slow as purple roombas are, purple bofors are also pretty cope

[lethal bolt]

for hood,howe,unicorn,brennus,and portland

[whole crypt]

purple roomba still has a pretty good alpha, and the range can help it fire more

[atomic abyss]

that's cope lol

[steady beacon]

For them, but where are they going to

[strong tartan]

what stage tho?

[whole crypt]

not the ships, the stage

[whole crypt]

it's precisely the same relationship between gold roombas and gold bofors though

[atomic abyss]

i have never subscribed to the idea of plopping roombas on everything to begin with

[whole crypt]

you don't have to agree to it for it to work

[atomic abyss]

it has been proven to be better several times to mix

[lethal bolt]

ah,no specif stage for now but would probably need when i atleast have 2 fleet for chapter 10 and above

[whole crypt]

it's been proven better to mix if you mix correctly

[atomic abyss]

which isn't hard lol

[whole crypt]

you don't really need to bother until ch12, and at that point you want gold guns

[steady beacon]

The only "mix" I know these days is L/60s on the vanguard, STAAGs on the backline

[whole crypt]

even then you'll be mixing purple bofors with purple roombas, not dumping roombas

[atomic abyss]

you treat bofors the same way you do 57s
it isn't rocket science

[lethal bolt]

i kinda just want to know just to do the +8 upgrade beginner mission so i can now get ente

[whole crypt]

except bofors have shit range
that's why we push pasta 90 instead nowadays

[whole crypt]

look for better gear to +8

[atomic abyss]

bofors aren't pom poms please

[whole crypt]

pom poms have no range, not shit range

[steady beacon]

You treat... Quad Bofors the same way as 57s? 👀
Could you elaborate on that

[atomic abyss]

ah yes the pasta 90s which aren't as common
honestly who the hell came up with that

[atomic abyss]

simply put
when comparing sextuples to 57s
you prioritise the sextuples on the AA boats no?

it's the same relationship with roombas and bofors

[steady beacon]

Ah, I see
Maybe understanding AA should be my next project tbh
Suchi gonna come in and put a cap on that when he sees though

[atomic abyss]

it's not like AA mechanics have changed much outside the guns themselves

if anything it's them ignoring the past research lol

[whole crypt]

57 actually has higher DPS so it's a Depends™️

[atomic abyss]

i mean if you have enough 57s it's a different story

[whole crypt]

but yes you gain more/lose less when mixing the two by putting sextuple on the carry and 57 on the less-carry

personally if not enough 57 I'd put 57 on carry and roomba on one of the other ships

[lethal bolt]

another question, is any other mlb ship better than a UR ship with 1-2lb?

[atomic abyss]

generally yes

well maybe any is an exaggeration

[whole crypt]

I mean it really depends on your comparison, if you take a really shitty ship at MLB and compare with a 2LB UR it doesn't really work out

[atomic abyss]

with a few exceptions that is the rule

most SRs or the better elites will definitely outpace the non mlb URs tho

[whole crypt]

like objectively a MLB Pensacola isn't going to outperform a dev20 Drake

[lethal bolt]

my bad,i meant any t2-1 ships is better?

[whole crypt]

don't base it on tiers, base it on a ship that fits the same role

[lethal bolt]

ah got it,i just asked this question because my boss fleet that was suggested to me is
nelson, alsace, enterprise
brennus, helena, laffey
and alsace isnt ganna be mlb yet so wondering if unless she is mlb,is she easy replaceable?

[atomic abyss]

alsace imo, is one of those exceptions

because she gets most of her mileage from the 1st and 2nd limit breaks

[whole crypt]

it's not that she has more miealge from the earlier LBs, it's that she can equalize with most other lower tier BBs with preload in the usual fight lengths

[strange sphinx]

should I keep the Rainbow torp enhancer or change it with pressure-resistance Hull? she is the Flagship

[vestal thistle]

How good is the current meta ship

[whole crypt]

if you're asking about Wichita no one has her yet to test

[lethal bolt]

so she isnt ganna be replaced in boss fleet even if she isnt mlb?

[whole crypt]

she can be, but there's no definitve answer without knowing your alternatives

[meager gyro]

is there any way to permanently set this to x10?

[whole crypt]

flag is usually in less risk of being out of range, I personally use hull regardless

[whole crypt]

game settings from main menu, it's based on the speed option you picked for text auto

[sharp socket]

what are other options for HE BB gun in gearlab other than mk7

[atomic abyss]

there isn't anything else worth crafting besides maybe the twin 406 for a twin 410 side grade

[lethal bolt]

i see,i dont think i have much of an alternative currently tbh and most likely for a long time untill a good rate up banner or a limited ur banner shows, that team might be there for a long time

[atomic abyss]

stick to the mk6 if you can't craft mk7

[lament bay]

is it possible to use 2 DDG on some opsi bosses? if so whats the best 2 combination?

[atomic abyss]

depends on the rest of the fleet

if other chinese/russian ships like soyuz and harbin are there
then chang chung with tai yuan

otherwise it's an shan with tai yuan

it is weird to use 2 DDGs tho really...

[hollow gust]

You can run it but it's pretty awful

[late flame]

i used ddg x3 for fun before

[lament bay]

only 1 is good enough?

[atomic abyss]

they aren't really meant for bossing to begin with

[late flame]

in reality you almost never need more than 1 ddg yeah

[atomic abyss]

and if you run 1 it's tai yuan anyways

[lament bay]

what are they used for ideally

[granite summit]

Is there a list or page of when new Equipment was added? Always seem to miss when new stuff comes out

[late flame]

i mainly field an shan + uni for 1:1 event speedruns

[hollow gust]

You almost always stack your frontline with supports for your backline , Double dps is always awkward

[vestal thistle]

How is brennus

[atomic abyss]

an expensive portland
decent choice for a second tank i suppose

[late flame]

portland with more steps

[hollow gust]

Well you sub them anti light bossing or mobbing

[atomic abyss]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Recent_News

best you're gonna get

[lethal bolt]

Here are the fleets that was suggest for me to build
Mob:
hood, uni, howe
portland, javelin, cleveland
Boss:
nelson, alsace, enterprise
brennus, helena, laffey

I also have the early summer invitation for a free certain set of gold ship
Any changes I should change?

[atomic abyss]

no because the stuff there is alr mlb
not gonna change for now at least

[granite summit]

Ah i see to bad then :/ since they dont list new guns at all unless gear lab

[lament bay]

ill prob need to ask what are my ideal vanguard compositions then lol

[late flame]

for what content

[vestal thistle]

So she is used in front?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[vestal thistle]

But Carl is in the same fleet

[atomic abyss]

wat

[lament bay]

opsi/w14+

[atomic abyss]

i mean if you already have carl
no use for brennus
Carl is just a better tank

[vestal thistle]

Better than port too?

[lethal bolt]

Out of curiosity, how replaceable are my ships in the planned fleets are they in future?

[atomic abyss]

carl is better than port yes

[vestal thistle]

Oh thanks

[atomic abyss]

almost the entire frontline is replaceable, with the exception of helena

you are probably not gonna replace hood/uni/howe/nelson without a UR/DR from research

[lethal bolt]

got it

[whole crypt]

practically speaking Portland with less steps, but just more expensive

[lament bay]

i can make a thread to show the dock if any1 is free to help me understand whats my best vanguard compositions for my opsi fleets

[steady beacon]

Did Dunk or someone ever write a paper about it? 👀
Or else, is there anywhere I can look for aforesaid research?

[sharp socket]

is there a gun ranking as % of accessible option for the various ammo type for bb gun

[plain saffron]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment#bb_guns

go to ammo type you want, then go down until there is something you have or easily accessible

[atomic abyss]

It wasn't dunk that's for sure
So don't expect any papers

We had this AA nerd in the group last time
Long since went poof

And when I say nerd
I mean he was able to produce 5 digit numbers for singular shot of AA damage with sufficient manipulation

[steady beacon]

Not the same guy who produced those Enty numbers you once showed here would it 👀

[gray sphinx]

do you guys think the new jersey swimsuit skin will come back during anniversary?

[eternal basalt]

Black friday

[steady beacon]

Based on previous patterns, unlikely
Better luck waiting on Black Friday

[gloomy mesa]

Is it Worth taking out Kuyby in favor of Prince Eugene, so I have 2 IB vanguard ships that help with Roon exp?

I still have the invitation as well.

Was planning to build Chapy and Sandy for my mob fleet, but I guess finishing roons exp mission takes priority for now

And if yes to Prinz, would muse or regular be better?

[eternal basalt]

Prinz Eugen is trash

[gloomy mesa]

I'm aware, really just want to get the mission out of the way

[eternal basalt]

But 3 IB vanguard to farm is perferable to 1

[gloomy mesa]

Probably should have just stuck to saint Louis instead of roon

[whole crypt]

if your Eugen isn't maxed replace Portland with her I guess
if she's maxed just use any other IB vanguard

[gloomy mesa]

Problem is that I only have Eugene,
And Graf spee as Options right now., the rest are N

[whole crypt]

what's wrong with raising commons

[eternal basalt]

You can farm with N

[gloomy mesa]

They'd have to survive to get the exp lol

[whole crypt]

that's a function of level and gear, not rarity

[gloomy mesa]

And if I'm replacing Portland for a lvl 30 Eugene I'm already going to struggle

[whole crypt]

dump XP packs on her first then

or just find a different PR ship you can farm more efficiently first

[gloomy mesa]

I was done with saint, but was told to rather invest the blueprints in roon first

[whole crypt]

PR1 is pretty inconsequential

[gloomy mesa]

Well shit

[eternal basalt]

If you have not enough fleet tech too move on

[plain saffron]

technically no, they can still get exp even if died in that battle, it just that they'll be gone from that fleet in next fight

[whole crypt]

the thing sometimes you ask people which ship to dev next without enough context that's the kind of answer you get, and this is what happens

[eternal basalt]

They probably got recommended that to help for FdG fleet tech

[gloomy mesa]

Yes

[whole crypt]

well if this helps your tech for unlocking FdG go ahead I guess, easiest way would be just to bump whatever IB vanguards you have up to a usable level then bring them along, LBing them will help your KMS tech as well anyway

[frank mango]

Repair tool or torpedo

[gloomy mesa]

My end goal was Anchorage, but than I read the shipyard guide and apparently FdG is the better track?

[eternal basalt]

DD don't need a washing machine

[whole crypt]

toolkit, and probably replace the rudder too
you probably want a better torp launcher

[silver lintel]

1lb mog is cope so bench her

[whole crypt]

FdG is still a great BB you kind of want to unlock ASAP to use the free/discounted DR prints, yes

yeh 1LB is bad too

[frank mango]

[gloomy mesa]

Need 350 more points for Anchorage, would saint be enough to get me there?

[gloomy mesa]

Well guess I'll farm the exp while I wait for more blueprints to finish saint

[whole crypt]

Saint Louis has nothing to do with Anchorage

[eternal basalt]

Saint is french, wont help for USS

[gloomy mesa]

Dang

What's the point in Saint!?

[whole crypt]

French tech/XP

[atomic abyss]

For Brest

[silver lintel]

Isnt it eva tech

[whole crypt]

unfortunately Alsace alone is enough to unlock Brest

[whole crypt]

yes

[atomic abyss]

As with Brennus, yes

[whole crypt]

best CA/CB tech ever

[gloomy mesa]

Guess I don't need saint anymore

[whole crypt]

not for now, probably

she might be useful when you need to unlock Brest

[vale gyro]

13-4 recommended auto boss fleet

[gloomy mesa]

Any worth while IB vanguards I can get from the invite?

[gloomy mesa]

I already can unlock her

Wait are unlocking and researching 2 different things?

[whole crypt]

as in use Saint Louis for the vanguard XP grind in CDC2

[gloomy mesa]

Hmm, is she better than épée and fleurette for that?

[atomic abyss]

Unlike those 2
She's actually decent

[gloomy mesa]

Lol okay

[whole crypt]

my honest opinion is no ship is better than any other for the sake of CDC as long as her XP is not capped

imagine the pain to have no option but capped ships when new series arrive

[eternal basalt]

PR7:

[gloomy mesa]

Muse Eugene counting towards tech and exp?

[eternal basalt]

Yes

[whole crypt]

XP yes tech no

[eternal basalt]

She gives no tech though

[gloomy mesa]

Okay I'll go for Prinz in that case

[whole crypt]

I have a nice set of purple pasta vanguards waiting

[eternal basalt]

All my main are maxed

[whole crypt]

CA though

I haven't maxed little FdG because saving chips and probably wait to level with some other littles, besides that I'm also out of mains

[graceful light]

any thoughts on the fleet comp to beat up wich META 15? she's light armored so... BB HE?

[whole crypt]

CN JP hasn't theorycrafted anything yet because T8 is still shit

[graceful light]

no guess deductions?

[whole crypt]

not until we find out how hard she hits on T15

[late flame]

come back 2 or 3 days later

[whole crypt]

up to T6 I just dropped her with Rodney fleet without swapping any gear and in fact stripped some

[gloomy mesa]

Between Karlsruhe and Köln, who is more likely to live?

[whole crypt]

T8 I changed to Kearsarge anti-light but I can't remember if she died in 1 or 2 rounds

[graceful light]

hold up.. she got destroyed?

[whole crypt]

about the same, if you want to drag them along for the XP grind just bump them to 70, MLB and throw on some durability aux

[gloomy mesa]

Stupid question I'll just use z23

[whole crypt]

Wichita did, not my fleet obviously

[graceful light]

oh i was thinking wich got some nasty main fleet damage

[gloomy mesa]

No clue how I missed z23 as an option

[whole crypt]

but yeh, she still just melts too quickly for any serious tests

I guess tomorrow you'll have people who send in no-damage fleets to at least check out what gimmicks she throws out? I don't remember anything specific from datamine

[graceful light]

hmmm then a better question instead of specific comp now. What are the go-to tanks for vanguards?

im suspecting wich is goign to delete the vanguards soon

[whole crypt]

my gut feeling tells me this is a heavy vanguard damage META but we won't know until she can actually do damage

[gloomy mesa]

Should I put Portlands Gear on Eugene? And just give what ever to z23?

[whole crypt]

sure I guess

[tame jungle]

even with the chains gimmick?

[whole crypt]

T8 is like lv80-something, I'm using lv125 ships and she just melts

[tame jungle]

i haven't been paying attention to the choreographing of that attack tho but i haven't dodged it once yet lol

[graceful light]

my guess is vanguard autos into chain.. then dies

[whole crypt]

anyway even my dogshit rally account fleet that only around 40-50%s Rodney META on T15 was still oneshotting T8, there's just no reference yet

[graceful light]

so about dem vanguard tanks... anchorage + jeanne?

[gloomy mesa]

Who is more likely to contribute more?

[jaunty vault]

damage? z23

[whole crypt]

we don't know

she doesn't do enough damage at T8 to tell

[graceful light]

no a general question... lol not specific to the meta

[whole crypt]

that depends on what you're fighting then

Agir, Guam or Anchorage can all be tankier depending on gimmicks

[graceful light]

guam? hmm gotta look at her kit then

[gloomy mesa]

Do toolkits stack?

[tame jungle]

the heal doesn't

[gloomy mesa]

So better go with steering wheel?

[tame jungle]

depends on the ship

[gloomy mesa]

Z23 and Eugene

[tame jungle]

eugen defo steering gears

double toolbox is fine on nimi

[whole crypt]

Nimi has low HP and high evasion
Eugen has high HP and low evasion
you give them the thing that patches the low stat

[gloomy mesa]

For both aux?

[tame jungle]

well you can't do that so no

[whole crypt]

you can use rudder + camo

or rudder + toolkit

but at lv30 Eugen isn't going to survive jack shit as tank, so what you need is not gear, it's levels

[gloomy mesa]

I already dropped Packs on her and MLBed both her and z23

[whole crypt]

then what we just said

[gloomy mesa]

Everything else doesn't matter really, correct?

[tame jungle]

define "everything else"?

[gloomy mesa]

Main gun, torp and aa

W11

Stage is already safe

[whole crypt]

main guns means killing shit faster so you farm faster
shit dying faster also means you take less damage

you probably don't need to have very serious AA but having some AA at least will help your main fleet survive/do more damage if carriers don't lose concealment

so in essence everything matters

[whole crypt]

but how much it matters depends

what chapter is this on again

[tame jungle]

11

[whole crypt]

looks pretty bad but shrug

[uncut oar]

Twin 120 for nimi main gun

[gloomy mesa]

Well don't have much choice

[whole crypt]

well, try and find out, and yeh change Nimi's gun

[gloomy mesa]

Done

[steady beacon]

Do lower-tier versions use different/fewer attacks?

[uncut oar]

Make sure to enhance the twin 120 too

One of the better purple main guns to use

[gloomy mesa]

Order alright?

[uncut oar]

If Alsace doesn't need flag (I can't remember haven't used her) yeah this is fine

[tame jungle]

alsace doesn't need flag

[uncut oar]

Oki, then yeah, maybe Spee swap with Eugen because she'll be tankier due to level diff

But outside of level diff order is fine

[gloomy mesa]

Normally I'd use sara instead of Alsace in my mob, but need to lvl her

[tame jungle]

that's ok

[uncut oar]

Alsace is fine there

[whole crypt]

should be the same, but you won't really find out much besides attack pattern by self-gimping to wait it out

[tame jungle]

also funny clear time with alsace

[unkempt mirage]

if im making a recon plane for the yamashiro/fusou, is the one with interception worth anything, or should i just make the gold one

[steady beacon]

Well, for now, I'm only interested in attack pattern
Actual pressure is only worth examining for Level 15 anyway
Especially if this turns out to be another shitshow I have to manual to achieve 100% killrate for

[gloomy mesa]

Okay damn their slow, how can swapping out Portland and kuyby male such a difference, it was all just lvls

[unkempt mirage]

thanks, why do fun augments for lower rarity ships cost the same as higher ones. It would be way more fun if the lower rarity augments were cheaper so you could play with them

[rose whale]

I maxed all the PRs, now just want rainbow gear. Which research would be more effective for gear print, purple face or blue q?

[uncut oar]

Portland hits harder than a wet noodle unlike Eugen

[gloomy mesa]

Oh yeah and skill lvls

[whole crypt]

I'm just not really interested in pattern because there's very little you can do on auto about it

[uncut oar]

Well skill is w/e, portland and eugen both have defensive skills

[tame jungle]

i don't think skill levels do anything on portland when it comes to dmg

[uncut oar]

Nope, indy is a meme

[gloomy mesa]

So when I'm done farming the I
Unholy 2m exp, how do I get the missing 350 points for Anchorage? Or should I do Brest first ?

[whole crypt]

you can do 3M XP in a week, it's nothing really

[steady beacon]

Eh
It can affect aux choices for speed sometimes
Pre sure auto this time is gonna get stuck the vast majority of the time, though, no matter what you do

[dense finch]

Hey, where can I find beginner tipps

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[whole crypt]

datamine says chain just stops VG, don't think speed will do much to help

if anything you might want slower vangaurds to not zoom into a chain

[steady beacon]

Correct

[whole crypt]

well same problem as Rodney M we don't have reduce speed auxes

[gloomy mesa]

So Brest ? Or try to unlock Anchorage?

[whole crypt]

just do what you can do and take it easy

[steady beacon]

The issue is more not using increase speed auxes really
Since this time we want to tank
Basically means it may be better to use Beaver Tag substitutes
Same as RepM

[whole crypt]

well I almost never use beaver tag

the one time I had it on for a showdown was Arizona

[gloomy mesa]

Kuyby, Tashkent and Chapy a good vanguard Combi ?

[whole crypt]

not really in terms of balance but it'll work if you're over level/well-geared enough

[gloomy mesa]

Who would I need to take out for better balance?

[whole crypt]

you want an actual tank at least

[gloomy mesa]

Roon/ Portland instead of?

[dense finch]

how to increase ship's level?

I struggle at 2.4

[steady beacon]

Fair enough
I may have to +13 my Crystal Ice Bomb
Well, should try and see the pressure first anyway
On paper the skills look even worse than Repulse, and I'm pretty sure the laser kills anything without a Manjuu...
But still a few days to know for sure...

[undone plover]

Good thing is anchorage is coinable
Meaning once u have her unlocked you can buy 10 blueprints per day for only 3000 gold

[gloomy mesa]

Farm exp in stages and use exp packs

[undone plover]

And she is usually recommended as catchup so that is another 300 blueprints u can get easily.

[gloomy mesa]

How many blueprints/ gold does it take to finish her?

[gloomy mesa]

Nearly done with that one

[undone plover]

343 for dev30 (+165 for fs5)
At 10 BP/day that is 34 days for ~100k gold for dev30

[gloomy mesa]

Hmmm might be a gear and fleet synergy problem I guess, that's not really a stage you should struggle with

[plain saffron]

Repeat highest stage you can

[undone plover]

Oh wait u wrote points
U meant u need eu tech to unlock her?

[gloomy mesa]

Yeah

[dense finch]

What is fleet synergy? Like I got some level 1 -> 16 ships; while the enemies' shown levels are 17

[gloomy mesa]

Does this include the ones I get from catch-up?

[whole crypt]

either of them, I'll probably drop Kuyb if you have augment on Chapayev, if not then drop Chapayev 🤷‍♂️
but you probably want to establish some direction because I'm not sure what you want to do with NP vanguards

[undone plover]

I see
The good targets early on for eu tech imo are the yorktown sisters and the common/rare BBs like Tennessee, california oklahome etc

[whole crypt]

repeat a lower stage
pick up the weekly free supplies from shop and use the XP packs

[whole crypt]

forget about synergy at that level, just repeat lower chapters and overlevel stuff

[undone plover]

No that is starting from scratch. It u finish her catchup u only need ~4 days for dev30 (43 BPs)

[gloomy mesa]

That's just the stuff I have right now that's kinda okay, and reading the information on Chapy from the invitation guide I thought she'd be a good over all pick

[whole crypt]

gear problem is a given, you have basically no gear at ch2

[dense finch]

It takes so long to play everything again 😰

[plain saffron]

Use auto repeat and afk

[whole crypt]

if you've cleared a stage you can repeat it auto

[dense finch]

Btw, is there any chance I'll get the free UR unit before she leaves

[whole crypt]

also in case you haven't picked up the useful early ships: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[plain saffron]

Nope

[dense finch]

But still I have to leave my phone there for a while, right?

[whole crypt]

that you'll have to, yes

[gloomy mesa]

So I need to MLB them

[plain saffron]

If gou use a decently recent phones you can use multi window

[dense finch]

Any useful tips for beginner? Like which resources should I save now?

[plain saffron]

Samheart page should have everything

[gloomy mesa]

How important is fs5?

Like can I use her before that?

[south sequoia]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[whole crypt]

already linked earlier... but yeh you might want to do some reading

the one resource you should definitely not spend willy nilly is gems, besides that you'll probably recover in time

[uncut oar]

Are Black Friday skin cutoffs consistent over the years?

[dense finch]

Yeah I read it. It said that I should not spend cubes on non-limited banner. But since there’s no limited banner now, I then should not spend anh cubes?

[uncut oar]

(At least roughly)

[plain saffron]

Yes do daily 1 light banner because you get back the cube

[whole crypt]

basically any skin that hasn't permed and isn't collab up to the cutoff

[plain saffron]

Roughly yes

[uncut oar]

Yeah, I'm asking more about the cutoff date

[plain saffron]

Around after cn anni event

[uncut oar]

nodnod

[lament bay]

is there a way to remove this message? bc it requires manual input to continue auto

[whole crypt]

turn on reduce tb guidance in settings

[plain saffron]

Setting, find reduce TB guidance
But i would not recommend if you didn't finish 1st month yet

[undone plover]

Depends on the ship
For anchorage not that important tbh (you should still do it)
For sth like AvP it is crucial

[plain saffron]

Because it also skips some other tutorials

[lament bay]

i basically have to finish hidden zones only right now

[uncut oar]

Looking at historical dates then just about every skin outside of maybe the Alsace banner skins can be expected to rerun I think?

[plain saffron]

Alsace should be included

[uncut oar]

nod okioki. Thank you nagami

[plain saffron]

[gloomy mesa]

How many tech points would I get for an MLB Sandy?

[tame jungle]

check wiki on fleet technology, there's a big chart there

[gloomy mesa]

Thanks

[uncut oar]

19 for mlb 14 for 120

[undone plover]

Have you MLB yorktown and hornet yet?

[uncut oar]

Sandy is worth raising anyways if you have the resources to spare she is very cracked with aug

[gloomy mesa]

Yeah getting the 350 points is going to be a pain

[uncut oar]

Just prioritize other ships first, very expensive

[gloomy mesa]

No

[uncut oar]

Do it, backline gives more tech

[undone plover]

Do them since they give decent tech points also they give a good aux gear for your vanguard in the collection page

[uncut oar]

I think tech points given scale roughly with displacement and rarity, right? Iirc

[undone plover]

Dont use gold ships just to unlock anchorage
U will run out of gold bulins
Stick to MLB lower rarity ships

[plain saffron]

Yes. Bigger hull and higher rarity gives more

[uncut oar]

[plain saffron]

And minor faction gets 2x or more

[gloomy mesa]

Yorktown is E or n?

[plain saffron]

E

[uncut oar]

E

[gloomy mesa]

Okay yeh don't have her

[uncut oar]

UR as yt2

[plain saffron]

She can drop from map iirc

[gloomy mesa]

Colorado also any good?

[plain saffron]

Decent with retrofit iirc

[whole crypt]

hmm... max tech now is 36925

[gloomy mesa]

Well was planning to retro her at some point anyway, really like her design

[plain saffron]

Man i wish there's tech leaderboard

[undone plover]

U can mlb her for techpoints for now

[gloomy mesa]

Dude should I just MLB every N UUN ship, that should give me like 100 points, right?lol

[whole crypt]

so you know the true no-lifes who have maxed all fleet tech

[undone plover]

Dont worry about purple bulins that much

[plain saffron]

I would

Need some for event frames

[whole crypt]

won't need those on short notice

[undone plover]

Just have 100k merit points

[whole crypt]

you're one OOM short

[plain saffron]

What is oom

[whole crypt]

order of magnitude

[plain saffron]

Out Of Memory?

Ouh

[undone plover]

Does merit cap actually?

[plain saffron]

No stated cap

The cap prob integer limit but nobody can realistically hit it

Or whatever is their database limit

[whole crypt]

well if normal 32bit integer the limit's just 4e9

give the game about a 100 years

the highest that tryhards have now is probably in the range of 2-3e6

[plain saffron]

Calc it

[whole crypt]

give the game 14000 years then

[plain saffron]

If someone hit just just update the code

[gloomy mesa]

If I don't awaken spee, does the exp she gets still count?

[plain saffron]

Yes

[uncut oar]

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

• Exp earned in PvE combat? Yes.
• Event Combat? Yes. Operation Siren? Yes.
• Ships level capped for any reason? Yes, if it otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• PvP/Exercises? No. Dorm? No. Exp packs? No. Commissions? No.

[gloomy mesa]

THANKS

How are the chances that they'll increase the lvl cap?

[whole crypt]

not high

[gloomy mesa]

Uni has been stacking that stuff for a while now

Hmm not even when they add a new world!?

Well hope they'll at least add a exp transfer system of some kind

[plain saffron]

They said they hate raising lvl cap

Even w15 doesn't have lvl cap increase

You can keep up tp 3 millions exp even after lvl125

[gloomy mesa]

Lol, what the f is wrong with an increase of max lvl? That'll take like hardly any coding

[plain saffron]

The problem is not the coding

It's balancing the game

[whole crypt]

the problem is endgame difficulty scaling

[gloomy mesa]

That's probably like changing one variable and setting the exp requirements

[whole crypt]

it's not about how easy or hard it is to mechanically just give more levels

[gloomy mesa]

Ain't endgame hard enough?

[plain saffron]

Again it's not about coding
And also it's not a variable

[whole crypt]

it isn't, and adding a higher level cap will trivialize current late game content

ch14 and 15 is like... hard-ish if you're not prepared, OS and arbiters are already a joke

[plain saffron]

You raise lvl cap? Now everything else is easy as fuck, make those harder/higher lvl now
Now new player will get fucked more

[whole crypt]

yeh, expanding cap indicates higher level endgame content, again that just locks out newer players that have less resources to level up

[gloomy mesa]

Wow what an interesting economy

[plain saffron]

And in technical part it's not just changing 1 variables 🤓☝️

[gloomy mesa]

👀 brother, how much harder than that will it be?

[plain saffron]

Add the exp needed for each lvl to table, then setup serverside stuff

[south sequoia]

This doesn't sound very gameplay-helpy

[plain saffron]

Fuck EN scaling in the meantime because we have different values and make a lot of player have max exp but can't increase lvl because value mismatch between clients and server

i spent too much energy in this game help

[plain saffron]

I'm sorry 😔

[vale gyro]

Share examples of 4 of the best opsi fleets

[vestal thistle]

Is st Louis good for anything?

[gloomy mesa]

She's a waifu with some FINE skins, that's reason enough to like her

[undone plover]

gameplay wise neither st louis is worth it tbh

[glacial heath]

EN stands for?

[plain saffron]

EN server

EN/JP needs more exp than CN per level

[vestal thistle]

She is almost dev 30

[lament bay]

what does this exclamation point means exactly

[plain saffron]

the zone you going to

[tame jungle]

You’ll exit to that zone when you’ve cleared certain zones (like hidden zones)

[plain saffron]

when you leave a zone the ! mark is the zone you get thrown into

[vestal thistle]

Your pfp reminds me of bulin

[plain saffron]

though usually the explorable zone version

[undone plover]

at dev30 she is workable. i think she is best off tank cuz she isnt tanky enough to be main tank
but also u will soon replace her

[gloomy mesa]

Wtf

[vestal thistle]

I have Carl port and the sword gal from last event

[plain saffron]

only slightly

[vestal thistle]

This doesn't spark joy

[gloomy mesa]

Dang ur has it even worse

[tame jungle]

Wrong one mate, we’re talking about the USN ship

[undone plover]

well he said she is dev30
i just assumed he spelt her wrong

[vestal thistle]

Yes

[tame jungle]

This is hurting my brain

[vestal thistle]

Saint Louis

[vestal thistle]

What changes

[plain saffron]

st louis and saint louis is different ship

[tame jungle]

St Louis is just useful for boobs in port

[gloomy mesa]

One is waif the other is kinda usable

[vestal thistle]

Saint is what I have

[slender heart]

I'd work with carl instead

[gloomy mesa]

Who do I catch up on after Anchorage?

[whole crypt]

UR meaning rainbow ships cost more XP regardless of server

[jaunty vault]

fdg or some other DR

[gloomy mesa]

NICE, I completely missed that option

[jaunty vault]

its not an option

[gloomy mesa]

Lol looking at my IB points I'll never get close to her even by the end of the year

[jaunty vault]

eh could still save up

read the uhh research guide

[gloomy mesa]

Well somehow my stupid as though ur had something to do with Russia

[jaunty vault]

lel

[undone plover]

just dont use pr1-3 catchup (except FdG) if u want good gear fast

[vestal thistle]

I mean Russia is kinda nice in game

[gloomy mesa]

They definitely look fine af

[vestal thistle]

And Russia irl is nice in literature

[gloomy mesa]

Any of the pr1 ships okay? Like at least worth unlocking at some point?

[gloomy mesa]

True, true

[vestal thistle]

Honestly I am unlocking roon for tech points

To get agier

Eventually

[undone plover]

you should do one from PR1-3 anyway for rookie missions and protocore minmaxing
best PR2 is probably gascogne or kita
PR3 cheshire is most useful

[vestal thistle]

The higher the pr the better or does that stop after pr 4

[gloomy mesa]

Is there any war archive that only or mostly Drops USS ships?

[vestal thistle]

Wait what

Maintenance?

[plain saffron]

What is uun

Sometimes it shows that when the game lost contact with server, just login again

[gloomy mesa]

Lol, I suck at all these abbreviations, meant USS

[vestal thistle]

.

[gloomy mesa]

Fallen wings maybe?

[undone plover]

it is not a rule tbh
pr4-6 all have decent ships
depends what u want them for

PR4 has a good setup CV, one of the best CV (hakuu), and 2 of the best tanks in the game that is why it is recommended to focus

PR1-3 are generally powercrept tho outside of FdG

PR4 also has great gear especially for CV

[undone plover]

you rly shouldnt need WA to unlock anchorage. but yeah fallen wings has wasp and WV u can get (also NC if u get lucky or farm it 60 times but that is rly not worth)

[gloomy mesa]

So I can save myself some bullins while I try to MLB every N, R and E ship for tech points

[gloomy mesa]

Well it has oil cap, correct?

[undone plover]

yes but it is less efficient than chapter 12. so ideally u wouldnt farm it unless you had to for some reason

[gloomy mesa]

Well farming w11-1 right now 👀

[undone plover]

I would stay and get WV and Wasp but not go all in for NC
you wouldnt want to MLB NC anyway

[gloomy mesa]

No chance Eugene and z23 will survive w12 right now

Both only lvl 71 right now

And I still only have Trash gear

[plain saffron]

Higher doesn't mean better, lower doesn't mean worse
Look at each ship individually

[graceful light]

im spamming PR4 for more tenrais
but this is for specific equipment. for ships you should prioritize the ones in the PR#, for collection and whatnot

[gloomy mesa]

So does war archive compare well to w11-1? For farming purposes?😅

[tame jungle]

No

[undone plover]

it is around ch9-10 level of xp and gold i think

[late flame]

ch9-ish

[gloomy mesa]

Well okay, I'll try to get tech points the regular way

[undone plover]

try and maximize your current EU tech
if u still need ~50 and only source left is WA then go do it (in my experience u will not need to do this)

[late flame]

divergent chessboard does have some ships for iron blood tech

[vestal thistle]

That's what I am doing rn

D4

[cloud fractal]

I still need a 169 BPs for FdG dev. Will I see an increase in FdG research if I select another PR2 ship, regardless of rarity? I kind of hopped immediately to Anchorage focus.

[tame jungle]

Iirc you can set research focus to pr2 to get them but it’s generally not recommended since you can coin her anyway

[eternal basalt]

If you finish another PR2

[rain vine]

you can buy fdg devs with coins, theres no reason to do research for her

[mint flint]

just buy 10 bps with coins everyday

[tame jungle]

Besides if you do 10 prints for 7.2k coins you’ll have her usable in 2 weeks anyway

[cloud fractal]

Roger. I’m still finishing up the 2.4m cdc.

So it’s not a priority. I’ll just stay on Anchorage then. Agir is also developable right now.

[whole crypt]

don't forget catchup prints

[hallow iron]

How much is your uss and ib tech rn? Just curious on my own progression so want to compare

[cloud fractal]

Those are finished. I did those right away.

[undone plover]

catchup and focus is different btw
make sure your focus is on IV (just because u select anchorage for catchup doesnt mean your focus is on series 4 )

[cloud fractal]

I gotta double check that. I was aware of this, but I definitely forgot.

[cloud fractal]

Thank you. I had set myself to no focus because I wasn’t sure what I was going for next.

[slender heart]

Does the type 95 kai hit better, i mean as accurate as g7e?

[whole crypt]

rainbow sub torp is not homing at all

[slender heart]

Heh? Oxy not homing even when it close to the enemy?

[jaunty vault]

yeah it's got a different way to work

its not homing but its also not like the other nonHoming torps

[chilly ether]

Chapter 15 boss fleet help

[slender heart]

Tyty

[kind slate]

can i turn off catch-up? i finished dev30 harbin before i got all catchup prints

[late flame]

no harm taking extra prints especially if and when she gets fate sim in future

[vestal thistle]

For di chess is d4 best farm?

[jaunty vault]

you can switch but no turning off

it turns off when current catchup ends, and then you can turn it on by choosing another until you exhaust all catchup

[shut hedge]

is there a way in OpSi to automatically move to next map without clicking Let's move on for autoplay

[jaunty vault]

turn ON reduce TB guidance option in settings

@shut hedge

edited the message caude i wrote worng

and had to ping you for edited message

[shut hedge]

thanks

[jaunty vault]

np

[late flame]

if you mean war archive (divergent chessboard) yes D4 map

[vestal thistle]

Thank you

[fresh tangle]

Speaking of divergent chessboard is it worth getting to say w12 then branching out and getting your fleet tech there for the likes of FdG

[atomic abyss]

Reaching w12 means that you are now at the best place for grinding PR ships exp stages

[undone plover]

if u can push to 12 and not get locked due to commander level, do that first yes

[fresh tangle]

12-1 for exp and x-4 for coins iirc

[atomic abyss]

^

You more often than not get stuck doing divergent chessboard to get cmdr levels

[fresh tangle]

I’m on 11-2 now and benched unicorn to level other stuff and getting it no problem even with like 1-2 level 90ish ships

Nelson and Saratoga carry my mobbing fleet so hard

[undone plover]

stay in 11 > level 2 fleets > get to ch 12 then once both fleets are ready go farm WA
if u think your gear and levels are good enough u can push to 12

for reference 11-1 is 60% more efficient for xp than D4 on divergent chessboard

[undone plover]

yeah go to 12 that will clear easily
change formation to this in 12

[fresh tangle]

D4 chessboard would ofc be focus on IB tech

11 is easy now. Little close the first few passes through 11-1 with no unicorn but all good now. Might have to bring unicorn back for w12

[undone plover]

yeah when u push always use your best ships
losing will lose u more oil (and xp) than using a capped ship

[fresh tangle]

Figure I can get these exp now but will swap to uni again at w12

Ever been talk of being able to pull exp from a capped ship? Or is it just a case of suck it up and use them when you need

[novel condor]

You can upgrade them past lvl 100 to 125 , ya need chips for that tho

[undone plover]

the latter I am afraid
good news for u is xp wont be the issue later on. it will be cog chips

[fresh tangle]

Yeah I mean after 125. I’m sure they won’t raise level cap tbh

[crisp obsidian]

Hello. I've got this "Enigmata D" plushie whale thingy and don't understand who should I use it on if it is even worth it.

[undone plover]

u can waste a lot of xp and still be behind on cog chips. it is really more early game advice to maxmize xp to not hurt your progress

[dense epoch]

is there a beginner fleetbuilding guide my fleet 1 is ok cause i followed the beginner guide but i don't know what ships to put in fleet 2

[cobalt rapids]

Stick to 1

[undone plover]

If u dont have a lot of toolkits u can use this instead but if u have toolkits they are just better

[whole crypt]

it's another event aux that's just a crappy HP aux
during the event itself it was used to activate the EX's challenge mode

[glacial heath]

i should probably remove all healers in current arbiter?

[undone plover]

save medal of honor to get hood from medal shop
she can replace repulse when u get her. otherwise fleet is fine and push to ch9

[dawn hamlet]

Hi I finished the story in OPSI, what do I need to do now?

[cobalt rapids]

Ur boss fleets shouldn’t have healers

[cobalt rapids]

Now u can do all zones with shiny icons and get the good stuff in ports

[glacial heath]

yeah, but like i have a few healers on other fleet

[warm flax]

Should I take these?

[undone plover]

do daily missions
farm all the icons
buy the stuff from the port shops

the red treasure chests might be a bit difficult if your fleets arent levelled properly and u dont have good gear but u can try and maximize your damage to get as many rewards as u can

[cobalt rapids]

Do u need 4 fleets for harbiter ? If yes then yes u can remove unicorn for a higher dmg dealer

[dawn hamlet]

Alright, do I need to do the siren spiral thing? What about the red thing at the center?

[cobalt rapids]

Yes they count as shiny icons

[dawn hamlet]

the one at the center too? it's still locked for me

[cobalt rapids]

U need to secure a nearby zone

No wait u still got red exclamation so u didnt finish chp 5 of opsi then

[whole crypt]

not unlocked

[cobalt rapids]

U need to do the mockbattle against arbi to unlock it

[dawn hamlet]

ahh my bad, I really thought it was finished since it's not* on the questlog, alright I'll continue OPSI story then, thank you a bunch guys

okay now I see the quest 5-2 on the mission hub

[keen sable]

That's what 3m is. That's what lecture hall is. Why would you want more systems on top of those. Ops bossing is already a frak xp and just slaughter stuff with your favorite ship mode.

[undone plover]

what is the best DD gun vs heavy? ~~dont say torps ~~

after mog?

[whole crypt]

mog then duck

[undone plover]

which one is duck

[forest palm]

100 kai

[whole crypt]

duck gun is twin 100
in this context rainbow duck > twin 100 kai

[forest palm]

it's a KanColle nickname

[whole crypt]

personally I just called it the long10 when KC

[forest palm]

it's the Akizuki Standard Gun, and it just got reduced to Duck

[cobalt rapids]

Akiduckies

[undone plover]

u mean rainbow duck = twin 100 kai? right?

[jaunty vault]

quack quack

[undone plover]

any gold guns good vs heavy or all suck?

[forest palm]

Single 138.6?

[cobalt rapids]

Yea

[undone plover]

thanks

[sleek spade]

900 sth gems for 2 promise ring worth buying

[whole crypt]

old baguette hard enough to penetrate armour

[undone plover]

not as f2p

[forest palm]

but we tend to not care about Heavy Mods on DD guns, so we just use 130

[flint arrow]

what are the odds for akagi in 3-4

[sleek spade]

I occasionally spend

[undone plover]

then yes it is worth IMO

[whole crypt]

.75%

[cobalt rapids]

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[flint arrow]

ah

i was wondering if i should grind out 4 copies to save bullins

[frank pulsar]

you shouldnt even bother getting them

[flint arrow]

but i think i will pass on that

[whole crypt]

you shouldn't even be raising Akagi so no

[flint arrow]

i should raise whichever character i want brother

[frank pulsar]

theyre not worth your time, theres ships that are cheaper and better

[cobalt rapids]

Worth if u can 4 oil it imo and kaga isnt mlbed either

[whole crypt]

if you want to waifu go ahead, she's just not a great carrier

[undone plover]

u can start waifu-gaming once u reach ch12

[sleek spade]

nice

[frank pulsar]

its been 2 years and i still cant afford to waifu game

[flint arrow]

🤔

[dawn hamlet]

it's the first time I run out of foods for dorms, did I miss something? Aside of the weekly free bundle

[cobalt rapids]

Dw about dorm food

[undone plover]

to not run out u need to buy medal shop + coin shop food but dw about it too much.

[late flame]

contrary to popular belief kansens do not actually starve in dorm

[dawn hamlet]

I see, I just need to save a bit for daily mission then?

[cobalt rapids]

sure, although the mission was just more dorm food iirc

[dawn hamlet]

I see, alright I won't worry much about it then, thanks guys

[dense epoch]

Yeah if so im stuck at 4-3 really need a 2nd fleet but dunno which ships are good for it

[cobalt rapids]

U wont need it, lb ur first fleet and get more lvls

Take advantage of no event rn and push with one

[frank pulsar]

youll only be able to afford a second fleet at arnd world 9 anyway

[fresh tangle]

I’m at w11 now and just through naturally playing and doing whatever events are around am I starting to truly care about a second fleet

[whole crypt]

you want to focus on one fleet because you won't have resources to properly use 2

[zinc turret]

yea one fleet should able to carry u till w6 i think

[whole crypt]

you can 1 fleet up to 12

[dense epoch]

mmm ok then

[whole crypt]

if you need help with ship choices and gearing we can help, otherwise overleveling usually fixes it for early chapters

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips in case you haven't seen this

[fresh tangle]

Second fleet is pointless until oil cap anyway at a minimum. I have a “boss. Fleet” now but probably don’t need one

[zinc turret]

i use 2 fleet right now 1 for mobbing 1 for bossing at w10

i probably can clear it with 1 fleet tho ngl

[whole crypt]

the problem isn't oil cap or whatever, it's just you don't have bulins to spare for LBing 2 fleets and gearing 2 fleets in early game, early game is also shit XP so it's easier to just carry with one then level a second later

[fresh tangle]

That too and morale has to be considered as you don’t have probably a maxed out dorm with high comfort

[whole crypt]

you can't fit 2 fleets in dorm anyway unless you buy up to 6 slots

[zinc turret]

so yeah u heard them u can focus on 1 fleet with unicorn , saratoga , hood , portland , helena , z23 till w12 i guess

[whole crypt]

those ship choices look like he already read the guide or at least early ship rec

[fresh tangle]

Yeah they mentioned reading the guide

[zinc turret]

specially if u at little enty server , u can buy hood from medal shop by sacrificing 80 rare ship

[fresh tangle]

Who’s a better mobbing BB flag Nelson (retro ofc) or Hood?

[cobalt rapids]

Nelson

[rapid grail]

both are pretty good, would choose Nelson due to accessibility to everyone

[glossy socket]

does anyone have something that shows the enemy types in every map?

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/nodes
for campaign

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/nodes

[glossy socket]

TYSM

[fresh tangle]

I’ve got both was just wondering if it made a difference tbh. Just finished Pennsylvania to 120 for tech so the spot is open again

[tropic tusk]

is any of these good?

[late flame]

nope, maybe ok for zwei in out of ammo fights , worse gold cata, probably nope for last 2

[whole crypt]

cert has niche for 0ammo with BisZwei
Intel Report is one of those FP auxes you can put on vanguard

[rapid grail]

cert is for niche stuff, most notably for biszwei for out of ammo mobbing
feather is a weaker gold catapult + some evasion
ny coast is idk, idc
intel report good for dd that want more FP

[tropic tusk]

this catapult right?

[whole crypt]

yes

[tropic tusk]

so its point less for me

[whole crypt]

it's worse than catapult anyway

[tropic tusk]

oh ok

[late flame]

b-but feather probably looks cute on painleve yeah cata better

[tropic tusk]

well thx anyway

[fresh tangle]

That’s a lot of catapults

[rapid grail]

nelson for the FP stat; hood gives EVA to battlecruisers. meh

[plain saffron]

is there other way to access meta fights other than from opsi and sidebar

[late flame]

maybe from here?

[meager gyro]

is this good?

[soft raft]

well you won against whatever that is, so congrats
nothing much else to say about that

[whole crypt]

showdowns before T15 don't really mean anything

[plain saffron]

is there other way other than that also

[soft raft]

oh pre-lvl 15 showdown
Lol then yeah that doesnt really mean much

[plain saffron]

i guess i need to do it anyway :murmpain:

[whole crypt]

that was probably today's T7 or T8

[late flame]

think thats pretty much it. up to t8 yeah

[jaunty vault]

yes lutzow will be in the rerun event Rondo at Rainbow's End construction pool

[keen sable]

META Lab sync AFTER you get the ship

[plain saffron]

hmm so need to have the ships

[craggy lance]

need a quick and dirty max tier escort mission comp

this is still accurate #1248630743652110467 message

idrc if firepower or air

[undone plover]

isnt escort mission the one where u dodge torpedo? just bring 3 CV and wipe screen + dodge i think

[keen sable]

there's no difference...

[sharp socket]

escort mission just manual with 1 DD

[whole crypt]

just bring Noshiro Duca degli Abruzzi and Helena and tank the torps

[craggy lance]

doesn’t manualling not unlock auto clear? Or am I dumb?

[whole crypt]

game doesn't care how you clear

[craggy lance]

huh til

[undone plover]

just need s rank for auto clear
and u get s rank if u survive this mission anyway

[sharp socket]

i used anchorage with washing machine and the gear that doesnt let the ship die for 8s after lethal blow

[undone plover]

torp bulge would also be good

[craggy lance]

could just keep rerolling for Eldridge procs

[keen sable]

NJ,VV, and Odin

[whole crypt]

what was the comp, Odin/Noshiro/Duca degli Abruzzi/Helena then let Helena tank the torps?

[keen sable]

helena tank

maybe there's someone better than odin now

[craggy lance]

Ok I did the cv strat with a dd frontline and that worked so thanks

uni/hak/hiryuu, jav/shima/amazon

just sorted by EVA and gave em each a washing machine

[low dove]

How’s the testing with Alsace? Same lvl as Soyez/Mushi in fleets?

[atomic abyss]

Pretty much

[livid badger]

how many bps are needed to make a UR dev25?

[wind hazel]

/devbp

[odd root]

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[livid badger]

tyty

[wind hazel]

why bot double post

[soft raft]

Ender was 🐌 in doing the command and delted his message

[wind hazel]

oh

[atomic abyss]

I actually typed before Mori did

Just that nimi lagged

[wind hazel]

[elfin hollow]

excuse me

i wanna ask you all opinion

[soft raft]

nothing's stopping you so go ahead

[elfin hollow]

jean bart or bismark?

i want to buy it from shop

[soft raft]

both are dogshit
if this is BB selection in medal shop, Hood is the only good one
Everyone else is tech point fodder

[elfin hollow]

i have her

[old zodiac]

why not bis?

[elfin hollow]

i just can take one

who can carry my fleet

[modest moat]

Bismarck, like many other shipgirls, has been obliterated by the sands of time

[keen sable]

Hood

[old zodiac]

that is sad

[soft raft]

her value is bogged down by the fact that she needs to be with German carriers or her sister to be good, both options of which are very eh because the only worthwhile german carrier is AvP who generally doesnt give a shit about Bis and Tirpitz is just even more shit than Bis

[elfin hollow]

i just have alsace for destroyer

[old zodiac]

oh so faction fleets suck in this point of time?

[modest moat]

Bismarck 2 is meta defining, but the old Bismarck is trash

[soft raft]

they have always sucked outside of memes

[cobalt rapids]

All points of time

[keen sable]

they've suck at all points of time

[old zodiac]

sheesh good thing i have avoided farming 3-4

[cobalt rapids]

Just worse than mixed faction not all shuck

[keen sable]

worse = suck. no need to sugar coat it

[cobalt rapids]

I liek to sugar coat it

[old zodiac]

until what chapter of the campaign can level advantage carry you?

[soft raft]

you can generally get away with alot of stuff until like W13
At that point you need to start using your brain with fleet building

[old zodiac]

yeah guess so

[keen sable]

8 probably

[whole crypt]

you usually get stuck around 9 because that's around time leveling needs you to cog

[modest moat]

I clear 12-4 with level 100 ships all the time

[soft raft]

that's a different context

[cobalt rapids]

Safe <> lethal

[whole crypt]

but we did clear 12 with lv100 ships back in the day

[keen sable]

not different. totally irrelevant. and good luck with L100 on boss even on safe

[modest moat]

Sure yeah but like… w8 is awful low for your level advantage to fall off imo

[whole crypt]

usually it falls off at 8-9 not because level advantage isn't enough, but more because you don't get enough chips to level fast enough

[viscid swift]

have you also forgotten how many are still running one fleet and gear is kinda shit when you reach W9 among other things

[elfin hollow]

who?

[keen sable]

haven't fixed your gear either, still using bad ships, etc

[whole crypt]

also if I remember correctly we did clear ch12 with lv100 ships back in the day

[modest moat]

Yeah that’s fair

[old zodiac]

just pick a waifu ngl

[soft raft]

Whoever that belongs to the faction you need tech points for

[viscid swift]

none of them are good, they're all just fleet tech

[keen sable]

none of those ships are better than hood

so if hood is failing to carry you, the ship isn't the problem

[elfin hollow]

okay...

[whole crypt]

folks already answered you 10 minutes ago they're all shit, just pick the one you need for tech

[modest moat]

Is hood meta or something? Is her augmod that good?

[elfin hollow]

i'll take bismark

[soft raft]

She was already really solid before aug, and after aug, 100% barrage proc rate do make wonders for her consistency

[modest moat]

I never see her in any comps…

[elfin hollow]

but i want jean bart

[whole crypt]

honestly Hood was only pushed up because aug made 100%, otherwise she was only "good" for being available as a rookie reward option

[whole crypt]

just take the one you bloody want

[old zodiac]

toss coin jb and bismarck

[soft raft]

well that's because ofc she cant compete with UR BBs and she falls off late campaign

She's mainly a really good option for newer players as their first/second BB

[hollow gust]

Well she is top for newbies, ofc she ain't competing with endgame

[cobalt rapids]

Shes transitional bb just like port but longer lifespan but u wont see her in endgame comps ofc

[keen sable]

#al-general if you want me to pick for you, bismarck for tech

[modest moat]

You’ll get them all eventually if you play enough

[modest moat]

Ah, fair enough

[soft raft]

Is it just me or is anyone having a chronic spate of connection/loading problems recently
my wifi is still working perfectly fine

[elfin hollow]

okay, thanks for the information you all

[keen sable]

~~best of the worse is still?? ~~

[elfin hollow]

how about in core shop

[whole crypt]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[soft raft]

Independence is the only worthwhile one
everyone else is niche, not worth the cost, or plain meh

[elfin hollow]

there is roon, ilustirous, and royal fortune

[hollow gust]

Eh bleh meh

[whole crypt]

Roon Muse is 🚮
Illustrious Muse has a super late game niche you may or may not need

[soft raft]

Roon Muse is just a expensive Portland sidegrade
Illustrious Muse only has a use for W15 support fleet
And Royal Fortune only exists to turn the submarine weekly raid into a clown show

[keen sable]

except she doesn't because no gun?

[whole crypt]

Royal Fortune can trivialize sub raid but it's kind of meh without her gearset

blue gun is actually enough but you'll need to level more, also you'll need some collab auxes to put on her

[keen sable]

with a 120 and oem gun?

[whole crypt]

110 might be enough, I haven't had a chance to try

[kind slate]

do you need lvl 120 for w14?

[whole crypt]

you don't need 120 but if you don't bring at least 120 you're causing yourself trouble

[undone plover]

1025

[whole crypt]

the entire chapter is over 120, every level less you send is 2% more penalty

[elfin hollow]

so... you mean, i can choose royal fortune

[cobalt rapids]

Consider 120 the baseline for using ships when pushing content past ur rookie days

[sweet delta]

You can choose anyone

[keen sable]

review this @elfin hollow

[whole crypt]

you can choose anyone but basically only Independence will be useful

[undone plover]

buy 3 pairs of shells then independence
anything else is griefing yourself

[elfin hollow]

thanks

[prime kraken]

is this gun good?

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't say anything else
getting Independence first is fine and you'll also need to get sub gear eventually, or DDG gear

[cobalt rapids]

Good for converting shimanto to aa mode

[soft raft]

otherwise it's a weaker 155 Kai

[prime kraken]

what about this gun

[soft raft]

only useful for like 3 ships
of which they are kinda 🤏

[elfin hollow]

what the meaning of CV?

[whole crypt]

carrier

[keen sable]

carrier and usually light carrier also

[cobalt rapids]

Aircraft carrier

[soft raft]

Namely Felix and Otto who are tanky DDs but like they aint gonna be tankier than typical tank material and dont offer much else outside of that

[prime kraken]

so there is no pr6 gear thats useful at all except the UR gun?

[elfin hollow]

using plane?

[cobalt rapids]

Aa shimanto is useful

[keen sable]

it's quite useful. you just don't need 5 of them

[elfin hollow]

i use shinano and enterprise in same fleet

[soft raft]

Shinano is not the same thing as Shimanto
They are completely different ships

[elfin hollow]

for BB i use alsace

[soft raft]

Common EN moment

[elfin hollow]

damn... sorry i worng read "shimanto"

but the good main fleet is 2 BB an 1 CV right?

[soft raft]

Not exactly

[elfin hollow]

or main fleet is situational?

[cobalt rapids]

Vang is also situational

[soft raft]

ngl in campaing I mostly do 1 BB 2CV
but in most contexts, fleet building is heavily situational depending on the content and the ships in question

[elfin hollow]

give me you opinion about this

i dont like mogador cuz she's suicide ship

[amber nebula]

Light carrier is CVL

[keen sable]

it's not mog that's suicidal...

[elfin hollow]

yeah, i already test her and boom

[plain saffron]

she's not suicidal, you killed her

[soft raft]

Why are you using so many non MLB URs
Fleuret is dogshit
Brennus is serviceableig
Enty pog

[keen sable]

well it is becuase she's 0LB so 2 out of 3 vanguard ships are bad

[whole crypt]

not MLB ships bad

[elfin hollow]

she's dead

[plain saffron]

any ship with 0lb lvl77 will die in hard stage

[whole crypt]

your whole fleet is basically dead besides Enterprise, Fleuret and Brennus

[soft raft]

Damn i wonder why
She's literally missing like 80% of her kit, ofc she's gonna die a horrible death

Does anyone have Cheeky's image about MLB

[plain saffron]

also not maxed skill

[whole crypt]

that list doesn't even include the HP you get from LB

[plain saffron]

since her invul come from skills

[whole crypt]

her invul procs during lunge regardless of skill level as long as you take up to 5% and the duration is the same

she's just missing LB HP and blue skill damage mitigation

[elfin hollow]

i'll chage my mogador to trento meta

[keen sable]

not laffii basically

[whole crypt]

Trento META is also rubbish

[plain saffron]

ouh

[elfin hollow]

rubbish?

[viscid swift]

just start a thread and post your dock at this point

[plain saffron]

purple META mostly bad

[viscid swift]

this is gonna need a lot more work

[keen sable]

simple strategy, take best ship in mob and put on boss

[elfin hollow]

wait...

[fresh tangle]

W11 haven’t paid any attention to this before but which one should I use?

[plain saffron]

usually double line, single line if not dying, circle if need AA

[soft raft]

Circular in W13 (And maybe W15)
Double line everywhere else

[elfin hollow]

like this?

[whole crypt]

usually double line
circle is good for plane hells if your AA falls a bit short

[fresh tangle]

Cool thank you folks, appreciate it as always

[whole crypt]

start a thread first

[viscid swift]

yes but in a thread

[elfin hollow]

how?

[soft raft]

This

[elfin hollow]

thanks

sorry about that

[wary timber]

Are these worth equipping on Prinz Heinrich ? All my other remaining torps are inferior to this as of now

[vale gyro]

How many triple 406mm guns and twin 457mm guns am I recommended to craft?

Also how many wyverns?

[viscid swift]

they are some of the best torps for auto

[wary timber]

I NEVER auto

[atomic abyss]

It's a great torp

You can use it on Heinrich, but there are other stuff that might want it more

[elfin hollow]

seriously?

[cobalt rapids]

0-2 457, 2-4 wyverns depending on ur campaing prios

[atomic abyss]

Prio wyvern first

[wary timber]

I don't auto unless I'm forced to like in exercises

I farm every map manually

[cobalt rapids]

Manual xp grind

[atomic abyss]

With that said, if your manual skills suck then use the mags

[elfin hollow]

damn

[soft raft]

sounds like pain but sure you do you

[glacial heath]

opsi gives xp, right?

[whole crypt]

well most people don't manual but you do you

[soft raft]

It's extremely small but yes
And you could technically say it's very oil efficent since Opsi consumes 0 oil but

[wary timber]

It's more of .. I have more purple magnetic torps than u think and I equip them on every ship that needs those lmao

[glacial heath]

bro, i started when the oil efficient stuff died

[soft raft]

what

[whole crypt]

OS gives XP but not all nodes do
XP per fight is also significantly less than late campaign

[glacial heath]

just campaign doe

[viscid swift]

purple mags are garbage, you'd be better off using good non-magnetic torps

[vale gyro]

I see, thanks

[whole crypt]

ch11 and 12 are some of the most oil efficient XP grinds what are you going on about

[vale gyro]

[wary timber]

Yea true. Most of my magnetic stuff are placeholders till I find something better

[glacial heath]

im not even against ch11 ch12

[whole crypt]

what are you trying to say then

[steel marsh]

at what hard mode world map does core data drops max out?

[whole crypt]

13

[cobalt rapids]

13

[steel marsh]

im assuming the last stage? or any?

[cobalt rapids]

Any

[whole crypt]

it's same per chapter

[steel marsh]

kk thanks

[wary timber]

So I'll eventually have ships with bad AA out in play. Is it still recommended to give those something like Hazemeyers or should I opt for something better?

[keen sable]

hazemeyers are ok

[wary timber]

So a Hazemeyer would still work well even on maybe a ship like .... Prinz Heinrich ?

[keen sable]

it's offensive aa that doesn't hurt overall aa when equipped on bad aa ship

[whole crypt]

T10 still just vapourizes

[plain saffron]

based on my simulation, top fleet survive long enough until 8s left

[wary timber]

Interesting. I'll see about building another Hazemeyer soon... if materials actually drop

[plain saffron]

with rng it can survive till the end, though idk if bb timing mess with it

[keen sable]

are you getting a doc for simulation

[plain saffron]

i refuse to elaborate, you just need to trust me

[keen sable]

any accelerator would work. there are more accelerators than hazemeyers

[whole crypt]

Wichita's orbital lasers

[fresh tangle]

11-2 is pretty rough. Should I just dump oil first the next couple days into 11-1 to get my last couple ships levelled

[wary timber]

What's funny is that the META ships have lasers and when they join u they're like "what lasers"

[keen sable]

wow the simulation is correct

[keen sable]

push to 12 already. why schlepp around 11 at all

[whole crypt]

there's no reason for 11-2 to be hard if you cleared 11-1...

[meager gyro]

bc its hard

[keen sable]

they refuse to use unicorn...so of course it's hard

[fresh tangle]

Because my vanguard are a little under levelled

Nah I’ll dump bearn meta for now and being unicorn back into mobbing

[tame jungle]

use unicorn when clearing?? what are you doing bro

[fresh tangle]

Levelling bearn

[tame jungle]

use unicorn

you are just shooting yourself in the foot like this

[whole crypt]

you can level Bearn but it shouldn't involve removing Unicorn

[keen sable]

do you need bearn for 12?

[fresh tangle]

Fineee 😂 was too ambitious leveling Tashkent and bearn

[wary timber]

Why ... would u remove Unicorn ..

[keen sable]

there still the other slot you can remove...

[fresh tangle]

Because I’m stupid

[whole crypt]

the only reason to remove Unicorn is if you were leveling another healer

[plain saffron]

the chain is more annoying than expected, usually 2 of 3 vanguard get chained

the low frame rate not helping

[whole crypt]

and I did guess it'll be a vanguard pressure one

[plain saffron]

suchi fleet survives long enough

[whole crypt]

on T15 though

[plain saffron]

unless that fleet is aiming 4 shots

[whole crypt]

shrug, we'll know when it comes in like 2-3 more days

[plain saffron]

in was revealed to me in a dream that that fleet survives on tier 15

[meager gyro]

im gonna unlock felix in 16% xp, should i use her?

[whole crypt]

if you don't have 343 of her prints no

[tame jungle]

take it away nnt

[keen sable]

did you even finish season 4 yet

[meager gyro]

i have 9

[whole crypt]

which is why I kept telling you don't bother developing her

[meager gyro]

?

[whole crypt]

congratulations you just have 334 more to go

[keen sable]

only 334 to go

[wary timber]

Leveling another healer. Yea I did the same when I got Perseus and tossed Shouhou aside. Now Perseus is my 2nd fleets healer

[keen sable]

did you FS5 August von Parceval

[meager gyro]

fs5?

[heady pier]

how long does it take developing ships just to unlock them?

[keen sable]

minimum 6 days

[plain saffron]

check datamine

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure he's even finished AvP

[heady pier]

hmm thats fine ig also should i farm 10-3 im thinking i cant really do 11 rn so i can level up everyone at least 115+ and also get toolboxes while doin that

[whole crypt]

just unlocking if you grind hard enough it takes less than 1 day per 1M XP but you'll need ch11+

[keen sable]

what's on 10-3?

[keen sable]

i don't think 11-1 is necessary harder than 10-4 either. jintsuu is particularly annoying

[whole crypt]

not even d20 🚮

[fresh tangle]

Wish I had a second healer to level. Unicorn my first to 125 feels bad but w11 is now trivial 😂

[tame jungle]

she is a good girl so it's ok

[whole crypt]

just move on, there's no reason to stay there

[meager gyro]

yoo ur avp is the same level as mine

[heady pier]

ig i have to find a way to reach 12-1 so i can actually level up stuff

[whole crypt]

that's yours

[meager gyro]

[whole crypt]

even my rally account's AvP is higher than yours

[meager gyro]

[fresh tangle]

Perseus is not in any shop is she?

[whole crypt]

nope

[meager gyro]

howd you get that pic even?

[soft raft]

Nope
not like you really need her anyways when Unicorn Retrofit exists

[whole crypt]

from your thread yesterday

[keen sable]

shouhou has tech. you don't really need backline healing until 13

[stone sluice]

Is it better to keep PR4 to progress for a third Tenrai (I already have 8 blueprints) or shall I move to PR5 to progress on my Brest (280 blueprints left) up until we get PR7?

[whole crypt]

PR5 assuming you're finished with PR4 besides just wanting that 3rd Tenrai