gameplay-help

[rapid grail]

nah it just has niche application because of timing

[sweet delta]

Pick sandy and ignore her until you're farming in chapter 12+

[void turret]

ok

[lament bay]

who should get priority for bidders first between u37/81/96?

[soft raft]

eh, wouldnt really say so
Just look here for what's considered good gear (Including poverty gear) https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[meager gyro]

i dont got a single thing for ägir there

[soft raft]

pretty sure we already told you multiple times to not focus on Agir right now but ok

[viscid swift]

that's, among other things, a sign you probably shouldn't be using her right now then

[sweet delta]

Doesn't matter much, just give 96 the worst gear

[meager gyro]

on what then?

[rapid grail]

u37, she has high enough oxy with gold snorkel to launch the 24 torps
while you get the materials needed for bidders, try to get the Snorkel and Pressure Hull from Core Data Shop for this month and the upcoming 2 months at least for your submarine fleets

[meager gyro]

pr ships are the only thing i can do rn (i can complete 4 more)

[sweet delta]

Almost every sub can do 24 bidders

[lament bay]

i got 3 snorkel, 2 rainbow torp; was the pressure hull better?

[sweet delta]

Usually better

[loud rover]

focus on non-pr ships man. ur bricking ur account by trying to get them when u dont have the blueprints to dev30 them

[meager gyro]

like?

[rapid grail]

pressure hull for positioning your submarines closer to the action. in practice it leads to your subs hitting their torps more reliably because they are closer to the enemies

[soft raft]

at this point just post your dock in a thread man

[strange sphinx]

post your DOCK so we can choose

like I swear you have enterprise there

[loud rover]

Waiting for no unikai

[hollow gust]

Waiting for no healer

[rapid grail]

rainbow torp has niche scenarios but for most of the time you'll be using pressure hulls

[meager gyro]

whats that?

[rapid grail]

Unicorn Retrofit

[strange sphinx]

did he posted his dock already?

[inner delta]

guy have uni retro

[viscid swift]

and Aquila

[sweet delta]

Look at active threads

[rapid grail]

oh so that's where everyone went

[median raft]

pls help me, my Javelin dies really fast during battle give me a good build because I gave a random build

[soft raft]

that's already a decent build, but a few questions real quick

1. What content are you doing?
2. Where in the vanguard is she being sortied out of these three positions?

[eager mulch]

nice lv 1 penn

[median raft]

1. I put it on the left
   2)I don't know what content you mean

[soft raft]

What getting Hood on Day 1 does to a MF

[soft raft]

Jesus christ no wonder she's dying
That's the main tank slot so she's taking way too much damage and she's too fragile even for a DD

[loud rover]

me with richelieu

[median raft]

So where do I put it?

[stark quiver]

put 2 repair kits on her

[soft raft]

In the middle

[median raft]

I've given it

[soft raft]

Also what I meant by content was like what world/chapter you are on
Like for example W5, W9, W11, etc etc

Because fire extingusher+toolbox is a useful combo for DDs on W11 due to the presence of burn damage that can easily kill DDs but it's not as useful as double toolbox outside of W11

[median raft]

Okay

[median raft]

Im at W7

[soft raft]

then double toolbox

[median raft]

Thank you bro for helping me

[craggy lance]

i assume if i dont have 400+ cubes i shouldnt pull for well at all?

[viscid swift]

do one light build a day on the WW, other than that no

[loud rover]

dont pull on wishing well in general

[craggy lance]

yeah that's what ive been doing

[stone sluice]

What’s the difference (in regards of usage) between the triple 155mm and the triple 155mm Kai?

[craggy lance]

i know but i wanna finish my collection but well is just always at a bad time for me

[eager mulch]

155kai in W14 due to rammers, 155 everywhere else

[stone sluice]

[soft raft]

Triple 155 is basically hardstuck as a BB aux gun due to its fixed pattern being shit for vanguard use

Triple 155 Kai is BB Aux gun for W14 and it's alot better as a vanguard gun than its predecessor

[craggy lance]

(ive already got all the banner ships and it was expensive, so im just twiddling my thumbs atm)

someday i will well but not today
thanks for confirming that for me

(i set the well for specials because i think i have all the lights already?) nvm i dont, oh well

[tropic tusk]

is that a O or a D

[soft raft]

D

[tropic tusk]

this whole time i thought its a O

[still gate]

recently got alsace to the lvl 120 and now i have enough tech points to start development of brest... also i will definitely awaken alsace and unicorn but what should i do with pennsylvania? she is lvl 120 too

[tropic tusk]

just wanna double check this research are all good right?

[plain saffron]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[soft raft]

just bench her if you dont already have other good BBs like Hood or Nelson retrofit

[tropic tusk]

oh thx

[icy mountain]

Global anni should be around july no?

[soft raft]

August

[icy mountain]

enough time to grind coins then

[soft raft]

July is when the new research season drops

[icy mountain]

thanks 👍

[strange sphinx]

Wry no oil for 12-4...wait do I need clear 5 times?

[whole crypt]

is it 100%, if not then you need to clear more

[elfin hollow]

Is it worth putting this on +13

[tame jungle]

Sure but not on unicorn 🫃

However i’d save plates because they’re somewhat niche

[plain saffron]

/plus13

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[elfin hollow]

The japanese prototype is better?

[tropic tusk]

is it possible to run 3 useless ship in main while vangard has a decent team on w12-4?

[tame jungle]

Not necessarily, check ecgc gear guide

[elfin hollow]

Oh so sky pirate works best w her

Xtb

[tame jungle]

Is that the quad torp plane

It’s good transitionally but honestly? Save for wyvern

[inner delta]

skupirate is pretty expensive, just wait for wyvern

[tame jungle]

Transitionally in the case you somehow don’t have an electronics shortage

[elfin hollow]

I have to wait next month for wyvern 💀

[elfin hollow]

I do because i used it on the pancake for more dp air damage

[inner delta]

just wait for wyvern

[elfin hollow]

Alr i eill put a note to put wyvern on uni

[elfin hollow]

just like russia with the t-14 aramda

[tame jungle]

Stop pinging me man

[viscid swift]

well the floor for W12 on safe is very low so you can just run whatever

[modest moat]

What loadouts are people using for Rodney meta

[polar venture]

I won't be able to get the 300 ticket Mogador 😭😭😭. I've got bearn already, should I get meta crystals for her?

[cobalt rapids]

if u plan to use her and ure poor in meta currency

[modest moat]

Oh. So this meta fight just sucks, I take it?

[cobalt rapids]

mog dupe has higher value than anything besides the limited equips and first copies

[modest moat]

What the hell is that comp lmfao

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur definition of suck

[modest moat]

Not hating it’s just so out there

[stark quiver]

u have 4 days

[atomic abyss]

the boss gimmick does force you to use different loadouts from normal, yes

[tranquil hemlock]

Bugged?

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[modest moat]

I’m aware

[tranquil hemlock]

Thats so weird will the fix this?

[atomic abyss]

they will fix it eventually

[tranquil hemlock]

Also i want to raise her to lv 70 by exp pack should i?

[polar venture]

Is she good or nah?

[stark quiver]

you can, i mean theyre there to be used anyways

[atomic abyss]

assuming you have enough
sure i guess

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur dock

for some shes good for some shes not for some shes avi

[viscid swift]

no since you don't have any bullins to limit break her

[tame jungle]

She’s good for a gold BB but she’s also not UR

[atomic abyss]

wat

[tame jungle]

:3

[boreal wagon]

BBs with planes are smth new
i did say BBs not BBVs smh

[atomic abyss]

bearn is a CV

[tame jungle]

Oh yeah i’m stupid nvm

Forgive me for my extra chromosomes

[tranquil hemlock]

But i want to beat the event map and shes busted as hell (also when will the rent skins thingy end?)

[strong tartan]

not really, the ise and fuso class retros have been around for a long time now

[viscid swift]

she's only busted if you can limit break her

[atomic abyss]

skin rentals expire once the event ends

[boreal wagon]

please refer to my edit

[strong tartan]

I think I need to go to school more often

[warm flax]

Do I want converging TBs or wyverns for my bossing fleet in w15?

[vale spindle]

wyverns

[strong tartan]

wyvern

[vale spindle]

interception matters

[fossil shard]

What about w14?

Wyverns too?

[strong tartan]

still wyvern

[cobalt rapids]

depends, could be mixed

[warm flax]

didn't matter for me

[whole crypt]

spearfish is good too it's just expensive as well

[fossil shard]

I only got one so it’ll have to workout somehow

[elfin hollow]

Good build?

[cobalt rapids]

is spearfish not shooting random rockets due to fog/conceal ?

[viscid swift]

that's fine

[elfin hollow]

Are there any better CA guns for her?

[whole crypt]

for the preload probably

[viscid swift]

well of course

not that Anchorage has a high priority for them

[elfin hollow]

Alr

[zinc turret]

Ok so ... torp stat increase torp damage , fp stat increase battleship main gun damage i think , aa increase anti air weapon damage , avi increase plane damage , then what about this gun ? What stat can increase this gun damage ?

[sweet delta]

FP

[viscid swift]

FP increases FP based damage

[sweet delta]

is spearfish not shooting heavy armor BBs?

[whole crypt]

why wouldn't it

[undone plover]

is AA from main gun (outside shimanto gun*) only stat boost?

[viscid swift]

yes

[rare musk]

How do you tell what armor type the enemy is?

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/nodes

[zinc turret]

Ok so i tried using that gun in portland but why did my javelin do more damage with that weapon even portland have higher fp ?

[sweet delta]

efficiency

[whole crypt]

if you're just looking at endscreen damage that would also depend on Javelin's torps, Portland's main gun as well as any other barrage procs

[sweet delta]

efficiency like portland's 65% is basically a multiplier to the end damage

[zinc turret]

Aah i see

[cobalt rapids]

so its just shooting yama and the fusou prods

[sweet delta]

just what i needed

[fair osprey]

what do you do with duplicate ships once they're already MLB?

[warm flax]

Retire

[graceful meteor]

retire

[zinc turret]

I guess i raised the wrong child

If i increase my z23 instead javelin that weapon should be better ... meanwhule my z23 :

[night pumice]

no point in pulling the event pool once I have alsace right? I just go back to light builds

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur cube stock and how much u care about collection/tech but getting alsace is a good stopping point

[night pumice]

40 cubes left, don't care about collection but I do want kms tech

[cobalt rapids]

time to stop then

[elfin hollow]

What other battleships should I make for a second fleet? Because my first fleet is soyuz fdg and vanguard

[hollow gust]

Opsi?

You can always go Alsace New Jersey Duke of York but that's some heavy investment that you prob can't afford

[elfin hollow]

Yes

[elfin hollow]

Yeah, that’s gonna take about three months to finish New Jersey and alsance

[hollow gust]

Also replacing fdg for Alsace will always be good

[elfin hollow]

Duke of York, I could do

[stone sluice]

Is the Prototype VIT-2 good? If so, in which situations?

[cobalt rapids]

when lacking wyverns

[forest palm]

VIT is just a worse Wyvern

[cobalt rapids]

why do u need a second battle ship fleet

[forest palm]

Barracuda → VIT ~ Breguet → Wyvern ~ Spearfish

[elfin hollow]

How about Nelson?

[hollow gust]

Meh

[stone sluice]

[elfin hollow]

I mean not on replacing her

But like in the fleet

[hollow gust]

Duke of York is special since she has her support skill

[elfin hollow]

All right, so what is my second option for the second fleet?

[forest palm]

I don't know how worth it is to raise Dork these days

[graceful meteor]

I guess you can do richy/alsace/doy

[elfin hollow]

It’s because I’m trying to raise a second battleship fleet

[cobalt rapids]

why do u need a second battleship fleet specifically

[viscid swift]

she's tech at least

[forest palm]

that's about it

[elfin hollow]

Opsi (suicide fleet to deal damage on a hard boss while my main fleet kills it)

[hollow gust]

Use your CVs for that then

[cobalt rapids]

doesnt have to be specifically bbs

even more against hermit who is stationary for 2 strikes

[elfin hollow]

Yorktown enty and implacable are the first Cv fleet so which other cv should be the suicide fleet

[cobalt rapids]

nano taihou ark will do much more than ur bbs

[stone sluice]

I don’t own a Breguet 🥺

[elfin hollow]

Kk

I need a vanguard now then

[cobalt rapids]

can just open a thread

[spice phoenix]

should i use laffey II as a oil-efficient tank?

[graceful meteor]

Idk about oil-effic but she can be tank yes

[dapper token]

Heya i just got back after a looooonnngggg Hiatus and well she cam from my return cubes what's the best team shes in

[cobalt rapids]

can u mlb her

[viscid swift]

you build fleets for content not around ships

[dapper token]

Don't have rainbow bulin atm

[viscid swift]

then she goes onto the bench

[dapper token]

Man i forgor how to play this game lel

[dapper token]

Awww

[subtle acorn]

can I ask for build for Mogador?

[dapper token]

Welp time to grind rainbow bulin then

[subtle acorn]

danke

muych appreciated

[dapper token]

So is my collection can still hold up to current content?

[cobalt rapids]

depends what u mean by hold up
beat latest chapter? no
able to do 98% of content ? yes

[dapper token]

How abt the event stages

[viscid swift]

0 points for no Unicorn retrofit though

should be fine

[dapper token]

Anything in the shop worth getting?

I mean things i can grind

[viscid swift]

well there's a UR and the UR DD gun among other things

[subtle acorn]

just noticed, lvl 125, 速い

[dapper token]

What's the ur

[viscid swift]

Mogador

[dapper token]

Ahhh alrite

[muted forge]

This worth it?

[viscid swift]

if you're still well below level 70 and can afford to splash cash on the game yes

[hushed aurora]

Should I always build 3 light ship a day?

and is it worth it to pull on that?

[sweet delta]

it's normally worth to pull once per day on wishing well, but you bricked your wish choices so just do one per day on the normal Light banner

if you're done with the event

[soft raft]

you are pratically broke right now so no, wishing well w/ heavy/special pool ships is no bueno

And you have little need for Perseus when Unicorn retrofit exists, NJ isnt going anywhere either

[sweet delta]

build on Event banner if you don't have Alsace yet

[hushed aurora]

already have alsace but that mean the build 3 ship a day is bait?

[sweet delta]

yes it's bait

[hushed aurora]

Also should I upgread her gear even though its just purple on alsace or is it better maybe try to upgread unicorn ?

What would be most efficient coin wise

[viscid swift]

everything but the AA gun can to Plus 6, main gun can go to plus 10

as for coin efficiency, yes

[hushed aurora]

What about the officer sword worth it to get it 10

[viscid swift]

it's not a priority right now

[hushed aurora]

is there a website gor every ship what to gear to take in the early game?

[viscid swift]

well no because what gear to enhance isn't dependent on the ship it's equipped on

[hushed aurora]

Does that apply for every ship in early? Should I ignore it for now

or just put them on them without lvling?$

[viscid swift]

barring a few unique augments, augments aren't a prioirty for the early game

[keen sable]

anything is better than nothing

[keen sable]

i don't recall your exact state but if you haven't finished weapons yet augments shouldn't be eating your coins

[dense birch]

should i force my fleet to fight if their mood is low?

i only got 1 fleet lol

[viscid swift]

well considering that your XP gets cut in half when you fight with 0 morale

[dense birch]

i see. what do you guys do in that case? stop playing and wait or?

[viscid swift]

usually go do OpSi at that point

[keen sable]

make a second fleet, micromanage dorm, use less ships

[fair osprey]

is there any reward for getting 3 stars on the event stages? i didn't notice anything for 3 starring the C stages, dont remember the earlier ones

[cobalt rapids]

yes but u only need to do normal or hard so either A, B or C, D stages

[fair osprey]

oh, thats neat

[stone sluice]

Goldburn or Fumo for Plymouth?

[cobalt rapids]

fumo is mor dmg, goldburn is mor surv

[remote yarrow]

Hey, what was last year's Black Friday's cut for skins?

[cobalt rapids]

like june or smth

[remote yarrow]

I see

[viscid swift]

was something like June 3rd

whichever patch dropped the NJ swimsuit skin

[remote yarrow]

Would this event's make it into this years' cut?

[remote yarrow]

Zwei's Event

[viscid swift]

it's not terribly consistent

[remote yarrow]

It mostly seems released before June so lets hope this event's survives ty

~~Time to 🐳 ~~

[soft raft]

do yall retrofit ships that'll only be used for tech fodder or nah

[rustic idol]

how often there's a UR event?

[undone plover]

are there any ships that can equip two CL gun like yat sen?

[remote yarrow]

Every 3 months or so

[undone plover]

65% eff

[soft raft]

we've basically narrowed down the times for new UR events to Febuary, May (CN Anniv), September (JP Anniv), and December

[viscid swift]

well I aim to keep 100% collection rate so yes

[light trail]

is SF worth 125-ing

[viscid swift]

no

[remote yarrow]

Sanfran? probably not

[soft raft]

wouldnt really say so

[light trail]

aye aye. is there any general 125 priority for certain SRs

[remote yarrow]

Probably the ones you will use in W14+

[rustic idol]

so even if i dont manage to pull Alsace now, ill probably build enough pity for next UR event i suppose?

[light trail]

is there a bot command for best ships to use there

[soft raft]

you're guarenteed at least 168 cubes per month so yeah

[cobalt rapids]

dmg dealers > tanks >supports
backline > vanguard

[rustic idol]

awesome thnx

[cobalt rapids]

no but /w15 works with slight adjustments

[light trail]

tyty

[viscid swift]

well, more than slight depending on which fleet you choose

[soft raft]

And what ships you have in your dock

[forest palm]

what's ya'll's thoughts on Dork's RDPS in todays environment, is it still acceptable enough to run her regardless of her personal damage, or is it better to pick one of the many UR BB?

[soft raft]

Personally I've found little reason to use her over Vanguard
Esp when I've heard the old stories of how you have to do funky shenanagins to get DoY to sync

[light trail]

damn im way under-geared for later chapters after 12

[forest palm]

that's normal these days for newer players

[cobalt rapids]

w12 is the best place to pitch camp anyway

[light trail]

im not newer just lazy to do opsi

[forest palm]

regardless this is a trend that has existed for the past 3 years

[light trail]

i c

[balmy wharf]

What do I get from gearlab first? BB main gun? DD? Torp? Plane? Ca? AA?

[ivory crown]

if im trying to farm exp i should do a 3:3 fleet on 12-1 right

[viscid swift]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[forest palm]

sure

[viscid swift]

yes, since oil caps exist

[soft raft]

12-1 or 12-4 yee
There's basically zero excuse to do anything less than 3:3 on oil cap maps

[cobalt rapids]

conv tb and wyverns and other stuff that doesnt conflict with those materials and is at the top

[balmy wharf]

Are any of the red outlines higher priority than the others? And what about the MK7 they just added?

[cobalt rapids]

mk 7 is low prio

[ivory crown]

does a ship need to be alive to leech exp? how many underleveled ships can i shove in a 3:3 reliably

[soft raft]

Spearfish and bidders are most likely lower prio out of them due to how expensive it is and how little you'll use Submarines respectively

[balmy wharf]

Ok, so should I go for a 98 Kai as my first?

[viscid swift]

most definitely not

[soft raft]

ideally I have ships at at least lvl 100 for W12 grinding
if they're having trouble, have Unicorn retrofit babysit them

[viscid swift]

first priority from the gear lab should be Wyverns, Ju-87ds, and a 457

[cobalt rapids]

why is spearfish at the top and red bordered and 457 on 2nd row

[viscid swift]

I have no idea

[soft raft]

@vale spindle explain

[ivory crown]

oh is farming mainly for levelling beyond 100+ im trying to get some ships to 70 for limit breaking/ ships to 100 for usage

[viscid swift]

it depends, you can drag level 1 ships even in W12 depending on the set up
not that I would reccomend it

[vale spindle]

because i haven't updated guides yet :MURM:

[ivory crown]

can i have some help for event sp stage? here is my team. my vanguard keeps dying at around 11 hp bars left

these are the only ships that kind of work for the level cap

[soft raft]

Why are Nelson and Hood not on Flagship position

[viscid swift]

your ship positions are completely off for a start

[remote yarrow]

Flags are not flagging

[ivory crown]

is flag ship position left most

[cobalt rapids]

are u trying to onefleet sp stage?

[ivory crown]

no

Second fleet helps kill adds despite some not having gear

[viscid swift]

Nelson goes to the boss fleet in place of Hood

[soft raft]

the way it's ordered on that screen is:
Flagship/off flag/off flag/Main tank/middle/off tank

[remote yarrow]

in that screen yes, in Formation screen Middle

[viscid swift]

Helena instead of Z23 as well

[worldly pewter]

that picture doesn't tell much TBH

[cobalt rapids]

if fleet 1 is fighting boss helena stays

[viscid swift]

oh it tells a lot

[ivory crown]

fleet 1 is fighting boss yea

[viscid swift]

that's even worse then

[soft raft]

his positions are completely all over the place
Hood and Nelson are currently hard whiffing half of their barrage
Javelin is NOT main tank material
Kron is bulkier than Portland but she's not in the main tank position

[ivory crown]

i put two healers bc i did like sara before and my vanguard got nuked

[soft raft]

if you need healers for your boss fleet, that's a massive skill issue because they are not required at all for 99% of content

[viscid swift]

well of your 2 fleets fleet 2 has the tankier vanguard set up
among other things

[ivory crown]

jav was off position yea, kron isnt geared, i can maybe switch gear from z23/helena/javelin onto her

[viscid swift]

everone should be geared at this stage

[remote yarrow]

Wouldn't it be better for you to make a thread and drop in your ship's gear?

[ivory crown]

uh ok

[soft raft]

In a thread

[ivory crown]

chill i know

im posting on my phone and typing on my pc'

[remote yarrow]

Gen and Emulator to do both on your PC

It's pretty comfy

[ivory crown]

well more like a laptop, and said laptop is a macbook so i cant run emulators

im out rn so i have to play on my fone

[remote yarrow]

Anyways, over to the thread 🏃‍♂️

[undone plover]

there are ways u can run AL on mac

[ivory crown]

i mean do tell i would rather that

[modern cloud]

Did I maybe click something...but after clearing a stage in 9 it's automatically throwing me back into the next stage. Like ifinish 9-2 part one and it throws me into 9-2 part two stage. It used to just go all the way out to the main map for me.

[sweet delta]

What is part one and part two

[soft raft]

[modern cloud]

Like the first run you finish 30% of it or something, the second run through it goes up to 60% or something.

Like that was after one run. I had to retreat to get back out to that as it just cycled me into 'part two'.

[soft raft]

that's just progression to 100% which lets you proceed to the next stage
There's no "Part 2" or whatever you're talking about

You have to do a stage multiple times (at least twice, at most 5 times) to reach 100% clear (Which is sepreate from 3*)

[sweet delta]

You pressed the continue button

[modern cloud]

I'll have to pay attention to what I'm clicking because it just seemed to change to me...or I'm drunk and not drinking so maybe I need to rest. LOL Thanks

[remote yarrow]

Needs more arrows

[modern cloud]

Oh yeahhhh, that started popping up too which I hadn't seen before. So just Exit, gotcha, thanks.

[sweet delta]

It's a feature in chapter 9+ and other maps with oil cap

[modern cloud]

Ahhh so it's on purpose, cool! 🙂

[strange sphinx]

hmmm 12-4 starts with 20%,so how many battles then

[sweet delta]

I believe 20% times 5 is 100%

[remote yarrow]

Holy Albert Einstein in gph

[forest palm]

[tiny gulch]

https://i.imgur.com/He7HPy8.jpeg

do these two slow torpedoes skills stack

[cobalt rapids]

should only affect their own torpedoes

[tiny gulch]

i mean the slow effects

on enemies

[cobalt rapids]

what slow effect on enemy
their own torpedoes move slower but deal increased dmg

[tiny gulch]

huh i must've mistread

[inland wharf]

Can someone direct me to where i can find some guide/information on submarines for beginner? I've had only the starter submarine for awhile not even sure how to pull for them or etc.

[tiny gulch]

they're only in special build

[cobalt rapids]

post ur subs

[tiny gulch]

lately every submarine that's come out has been better than older subs so if you just pull events you'll have a banger sub fleet before long, sub gear is the hard part though really

the difference between 3 random subs + maxed gear and a meta sub fleet + maxed gear isn't too too much

[inland wharf]

pull events? but you just said they are only available through special pull right

[tiny gulch]

i meant when an event has a new sub on rateup

[inland wharf]

I-58 in 2nd row is my only sub

[cobalt rapids]

event banners are mixed with perma pulls ( special or heavy ) + the rate ups

if i58 is ur only sub for now u should only lb2 or mlb her and try to S rank lv65 sub raid for ur weekly bidder farm attempts
but farming event and reaching oilcap is higher prio so only do it once ure in 12-1 or so

[inland wharf]

i asked because yeah i cant even complete anything higher than the lvl 35 sub daily comission

[cobalt rapids]

it entirely possible to complete lv65 with only i58 and 65 is the best bidder farm

[topaz smelt]

get her some purple gear, open ijn boxes for purple oxytorps

[inland wharf]

also i dont know what the purpose of subs is in regular map battles, not sure where i can find the tutorial.

[topaz smelt]

you just call them in for extra damage

something you wont use for a long while tho

[inland wharf]

i see

[cobalt rapids]

subs purpose is to help you in difficult content
they can be called into battle and they start shooting torps meaning u got another 3 ships dealing dmg
but their use is limited to campaign opsi and cm( and cm is 🤏 )
and they also cost extra to be called and due to that they arent a high prio
but midgame are very good to have because they can make non w14/15 able fleets or non harbiter kill able fleets into able

well w14/w15 isnt midgame but yea

[keen sable]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Category:Submarines

On the raid itself https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Daily_Raid

The enemies on 45 are L35 so it's no surprise you can't even tickle them with a L26 sub.

[ivory crown]

do meta variants count for these

[stark quiver]

No, it would say meta as well if it were counted

[keen sable]

no, nor muse, or ii

[vale spindle]

can someone confirm that the earliest NOT gear lab prereq to the new ijn aa is some random blue gun

[viscid swift]

to my knowledge that's correct

[stark quiver]

Is the new aa any good

[tame jungle]

seems super niche

[silk helm]

Who do i retro next?

[keen sable]

categorically worse than 105 skc

ok it's not pompom bad but no reason to craft it except for historical reasons

[slow fox]

UniqueName spotted in gph

[keen sable]

oh except it has a goofy 5% fp i guess it's better than 134 on anyone with fp over 300 (aka unzen and azuma)

[stark quiver]

So other than nj gun, nothing notable has been added to lab

[keen sable]

i'll make one. it's better than 134 against romney

[topaz smelt]

better by 1fp

[keen sable]

my unzen has 452 fp so better by 7

[topaz smelt]

imagine using vg cats

[keen sable]

not counting cats...you should try playing more

[wet prairie]

you also lose like half when they fire

[keen sable]

you ain't using 134 if it's going to fire...

and if it is you might prefer 80 to not nerf your aa

[topaz smelt]

idk where the extra 50 or so is coming from

[keen sable]

46 tech

[topaz smelt]

wheres the other 50

[keen sable]

65 from gun. 25 from aug

[topaz smelt]

so thats ~400

[keen sable]

you have a bad unzen. what can i say.

[topaz smelt]

srry i stack trp on unzen

[keen sable]

287+ torp...

+46 tech = 452

[acoustic thistle]

is the new single 113mm better than the 76mm?

[remote yarrow]

really really small upgrade, not worth the materials if you don't have much

[vale spindle]

basically the same but with 13 more FP, so technically yes

[acoustic thistle]

okay thanksss

[vale spindle]

it also has almost double the gun damage but 0 times 2 is 0 so

[crisp estuary]

[tranquil hemlock]

How many skins phase will anniversary has?

[tame jungle]

20

[tranquil hemlock]

phase?

20 phases???

like around 50 skins?

[tame jungle]

we know as much as you probably lol

[forest palm]

[tranquil hemlock]

how many was last year?

[forest palm]

it's really only 1 wave of anniversary outfits per anniversary, which come the following week

[tranquil hemlock]

wait so why people call this ascale skin phase CN anniversary skins?

[viscid swift]

Well there's usually 3 batches of skins released for CN and JP Annis

Each a week after each other

[tidal python]

Is Friedrich Carl considered a pretty good cruiser? I see her near the top of the community tier list and was curious why.

[forest palm]

As good as Azuma

[tranquil hemlock]

oh dang if it is so i cant buy the magodor skin then ( even tho i still want to have it 😭 )

[tidal python]

As good as a UR? O.o

[undone plover]

DR*

[forest palm]

Azuma is not that high a bar....

[viscid swift]

Well, Azuma is 5 years old

[tidal python]

So better than Heinrich or adelbert?

[viscid swift]

Much better

[tidal python]

Gotcha

[crisp estuary]

*gacha

[tidal python]

She seems nice in a mob fleet cause of the heal

[viscid swift]

That's just icing

[tidal python]

Is her barrage pretty good then?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[south sequoia]

That is what causes her damage to be pretty potent

[tidal python]

Cracked, thanks

[crisp estuary]

She's 2mgm?

[south sequoia]

1mgm but makes up for it tankiness and barrage hand out

She can make other ships in the fleet fire her barrage as if it's coming from them, so if you're running other vanguards with good fp you can get pretty good damage off

[crisp estuary]

Huh. A souped up Tallinn

Was there an updated eHP ranking for CAs recently?

[south sequoia]

Gotta ping up mebot for that

[tidal python]

I will gladly accept any meta thicc German mommies in this game

Need moar

I still remember the dark days when German botes couldn't even really handle world 13

[keen sable]

ikr...now it's German botes can't even really handle world 15

[tidal python]

This man slandering

[acoustic thistle]

alsace use mk7 or the 406mm skc34?

[viscid swift]

Pretty much never the latter

Her main gun is situationally dependent like all other BBs

[solar mortar]

been mass upgrading a lot of gear and running low on basic plates, is there a list of gear safe to dissasemble? dont see a command for it in bot-spam

[viscid swift]

Yes, in /equip

[remote yarrow]

Safe to scrap section

[solar mortar]

ahhh i see it is under the general equip command, cheers ❤️

[potent basalt]

Finally i get the free UR

[heady pier]

does these stuff keeps even i change guild?

[remote yarrow]

It does but your contribution goes back to 0 so you will need to get it back before being able to buy upgrades that require certain amount of it

[heady pier]

what does that mean sorry not only my english is not my native lang im also kinda new to the game

[vale spindle]

to buy stuff at discount, you need to be active in guild
when you change guild, you keep current progress but lose discount

so you need to be active in new guild for some time before you get discount again

[heady pier]

so its fine as long as i dont buy stuff before i count as active player and get discount

[vale spindle]

game will give a notification if you try to buy with no discount

[heady pier]

alr thank you

[tender lotus]

Should i craft 5th wyvern or 2nd spearfish?

[silver lintel]

Doubt u need either

So just save lol

[glass quest]

What Main Gun do I use on Musashi? Twin 410mm Kai Naval or Triple 406mm Mk7?

[tender lotus]

Oh okay just save then thx mate

[viscid swift]

Depends in the context

[glass quest]

What if I want to use her as my flagship for boss battles e.g.?

[viscid swift]

Boss battles where

And what bosses

[dapper musk]

what armor type is the event EX boss?

[glass quest]

ch14-3 14-4

[viscid swift]

Heavy

[atomic abyss]

Triple 410mm then

[viscid swift]

Neither preferably, triple 410mm

[calm silo]

Any advice for alsace main gun?

[atomic abyss]

The same old 406mk6 for light
Champagne gun for med/heavy

[calm silo]

@atomic abyss the purple one?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

At least for light armour
Which is what Alsace excels the most in
Otherwise for armoured stuff, prototype triple 406 mle (champagne gun) from protocore blueprints
Or the Soyuz gun from Soyuz's event

[warm flax]

Can this vanguard be improved? I tryna beat Souryuu Meta

[fallow lark]

So, now that the UR event is almost over, should I use my bullins for alsace or another ship? Is mogador good?

[dapper musk]

backliners always higher priority than frontline

[stone sluice]

If you can MLB Alsace then go for her

[viscid swift]

yes, whether or not it's feasible for you though depends on your options

[fallow lark]

Rlly? I do already have vanguard, biz, Musashi and NJ, do I rlly need another one?

[dapper musk]

they all MLB?

[fallow lark]

Yeah

[viscid swift]

well context on what you have, what's limit broken and what not helps

[fallow lark]

Most except soyuz and guam

[viscid swift]

well what fo you have limit broken and what's yet to be limit broken

[dapper musk]

maybe just send dock

[fallow lark]

Ok

[viscid swift]

limit break Shinano first to start

[fallow lark]

That's a 2nd nano

[dapper musk]

h u h

[fallow lark]

You can see her name on the top

[dapper musk]

laffey2 maybe?

[viscid swift]

not gonna question that
second then, are you planning to tackle W15 anytime soon

[fallow lark]

Maybe? I'm not so much of a story player but op siren

[dapper musk]

u can full clear op siren with what you have easily

[viscid swift]

Alsace next then, after her Unzen

[fallow lark]

I do have bullins for 2 actually

I think

[dapper musk]

how u finding mogador btw, still dying too much?

[viscid swift]

I haven't had issues with her

[silk helm]

have u tried bearn meta?

[viscid swift]

Yes, she's fine

[silk helm]

fine as in better that pre retro saratoga?

[viscid swift]

If you're able to enhance, limit break her, and level up her skills she's definitely better than a pre retro saratoga

[silk helm]

coolio

[fallow lark]

What does alsace do?

Is she similar to vanguard?

[remote yarrow]

Not at all

[soft raft]

more of a Soyuz sidegrade

[elfin hollow]

What should I spend it on?

[remote yarrow]

T4 Books, Coords, Hidden Zone Logger

And I guess the High Efficiency thingies but they are just time savers for grinding

And if you don't plan on spending 5k oil you can also get the Tunings for early Adaptability though they aren't really necessary

[gloomy mesa]

Sr barracuda any good?

[soft raft]

it's your best poverty TB

[gloomy mesa]

Thanks

[tender lotus]

Is Saratoga kai still better than Bearn meta?

[soft raft]

Sara Kai is better, but even if they were more equal, Saratoga would still be reccomended since she'd be easier to raise in terms of skill lvls and enhancement

[rapid grail]

raising skill levels on meta quite convoluted and require a bit of grinding at the very least

[south badge]

i’m very new to the game who should i use on a team? also is there a faster way to get into the game? i would like to get the free 5 star from the event.

[south badge]

in the sense of exp as well because it’s very slow

[tender lotus]

Limited skill exp is the problem, you could use meta skill book but it's limited

[soft raft]

Here read this https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
And realistically if you started literally this week or a few days ago, you have pratically zero chance of getting Mogador before the event goes away in 3 days

[south badge]

thanks i’ll take a look

[remote yarrow]

There's not really a big damage difference between running a ful MK6 fleet vs MK7 right?

Only when +13?

[topaz smelt]

it already like 10% better at 10

[fallow lark]

The torps from the event store are good?

[soft raft]

pretty if you auto but buy it anyways because always buy event gear

Better to have it now and not need it later than to not have it and need it later, as unlikely that may be with some event gear

[plain minnow]

for Alsace is the blue skill worth leveling? for most ships too i mean

[steady beacon]

Yes

[remote yarrow]

Just level up every skill

[sacred silo]

I am requesting assistance in 10-1 my flagship keeps getting the most diabolical backshots

[remote yarrow]

Don't flagships need a fire ext in W10?

[viscid swift]

Run a fire extinguisher on your BB

[sacred silo]

Should I run toolkit as other aux

[atomic abyss]

No, a fire suppressor is sufficient

[viscid swift]

absolutely not

[topaz smelt]

~~ really is the most useless emote~~

[steady beacon]

Does depend on what you mean by big tbh
Fwiw, +11 Mk 6 still does less damage than +10 Mk 7, even before we factor in the 40 FP difference

[remote yarrow]

Hmmm

I'll consider it as a long term invesment

Which path is cheaper btw? From MK2 or MK6

[soft raft]

Mk D

[loud rover]

gold gun to mk7. takes 9 rainbow gun designs compared to 11 on the mk6 to mk7

[soft raft]

and Mk D -> Mk 7 doesnt use electronics

[remote yarrow]

I see

[steady beacon]

Constructing a Mk D does though

[remote yarrow]

Also Ords

[steady beacon]

Honestly, the REAL question is:
Is 2 UR gun prints worth 35 gold plates
The answer of course is yes

[viscid swift]

well crafting the MkD requires electronics

[remote yarrow]

Tbh I'm kinda lost on what to craft next, any help?

Probably a second Wyvern?

[viscid swift]

another wyvern

[topaz smelt]

prob wyv + 457

[soft raft]

true
But overall it's 20 electronics so you could make 3 Mk 7s with the Mk D route for the amount of the electronics cost of a single Mk 7 if you craft it from the Mk 6

ords are a different story but yeah that's just in terms of the electronics

[remote yarrow]

Who would I give it to btw?

[topaz smelt]

your mobbers

[remote yarrow]

Now that I think of it I don't really have many leveled CVs

I guess Volga? don't have Aquila

[steady beacon]

Soon
But ye, sure
She'd be my personal first choice in the ones you have there < 120

[remote yarrow]

I also got Impero, Theseus and BearnM if that matters

[main stag]

Guys what fleet format would I need for world 13

[steady beacon]

I've got a personal soft spot for the first two, but in terms of sheer usefulness I'd still prioritise Volga first... targeted healer is a wonderful thing to be...
Also Bearn is +1 AVI when that comes

[soft raft]

if you mean fleet comps? Post your dock in a thread
if you mean the formation thingy? Circular

[remote yarrow]

Wait Aquila is being added to perma?

[main stag]

I basiclly have all the shipgirls

[remote yarrow]

I think you made a typo

[hollow gust]

Yeah doubt that , just post your dock in a thread

[main stag]

Sorry it was a typo

[soft raft]

post your dock anyways because sure you can say you have all the ships, but that leaves us with no clue on other things like their lvl and/or if they're MLB or not (And if you're just trying to generalize too much which could lead to us reccomending ships you dont have at all)

[trail matrix]

Who should I use it on?

[main stag]

Can some make a thread for me It won't let me 😦

[soft raft]

1. those packs are frankly useless
2. idk, whoever you like more, or Gascogne if you care about the meta ig, either way everyone there in that pack is powercrept to varying degrees so they're a bit

[viscid swift]

depends on what you have

[trail matrix]

I bought it a while back so it's been in my bag for a very long time

[remote yarrow]

Unlock all the ships and convert the combat data packs 🧠

[soft raft]

doesnt change my statement much really
those packs came out long after the PRs in PR1-3 were powercrept

[trail matrix]

If I remember correctly, it's like year two or three when I bought the pack

[soft raft]

I cant find CN/JP notes but afaik, only Joffre event has been explicitly confirmed to being added to perma

Unless I missed something

[viscid swift]

it's just Joffre's event and Foch next patch

[steady beacon]

Not yet, but her event is (at least in principle) next in line for archiving

[soft raft]

yeah it's the next major event in line to be WA'd

[steady beacon]

Apart from the fact that small event and raid both jumped queue as well

[soft raft]

huh yeah it did lmao
Moment

[still merlin]

Can someone rate the torpedo in the shop? Is it special of anything aside from launching 2 waves of torp

[soft raft]

#gameplay-help message

[steady beacon]

It was good back when it was bugged

[still merlin]

So a "meh", I guess?

[steady beacon]

Unless you want to face torps bosses, you can basically think of them as the stock standard gold quint (non-mags), trading speed for power

[still merlin]

Then it's nice when playing manual + burst?

[steady beacon]

Ye
It should now be second-best standard torpedo at that role, after the Quint 610s

[remote yarrow]

Wasn't it only against light or something?

[still merlin]

I thought the rainbow quint torp thingy is better at bursting?

[steady beacon]

That is the Quint 610

[still merlin]

Ah I forgot that exist as well

Was talking about the homing ver

[steady beacon]

/wiki 533mm Quintuple Ammo Mod

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[steady beacon]

... I hate torpedoes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/550mm_Quadruple_Torpedo_Mount_Improved_(Ammo_Mod)
This is the torp with anti-light mods
Right, and it's quad, not quint

[steady beacon]

Eh
The rainbow quint mag is fine for auto, but you wouldn't use it for manual, or even arguably for bursting

[still merlin]

I just feels like it land full hit easier, personal opinion
Not saying it's better

[still merlin]

Anyway...
Is it because it spread less?

[steady beacon]

Nah, you have a point
Face torping is not that easy and I can already imagine Riceist waiting to remind me I have skill issues
Although when I don't face torp, I prefer the Mk IXs

[still merlin]

Since 2 torp got send out first --> the other 3 got more space to be less spread

[sacred silo]

Are crossfleet barrages affected only by skill level or also ship level, FP, etc

[steady beacon]

Nah, the pattern is
First two torps have 30 spread, last three torps have 60 spread
So, sadly, no space is actually saved
It's second-best because it has the second-highest total damage

[still merlin]

I see, haven't upgraded it and try to see myself

[steady beacon]

Cross-fleet barrages are affected by the skill level (at least if mentioned in the skill description as such, can't remember if there are any exceptions) and also
-The stats of the ship the cross-fleet effect belongs to
-Most modifiers that increase the damage dealt by the flagship of the other fleet (i.e. the one the cross-fleet barrage is being fired into)
-Most debuffs on the target

[pliant lily]

Will I get this if I even buy the 1 dollar 60 gems? Is it even worth it?

[viscid swift]

yes, eh I wouldn't spend money just for that

[soft raft]

you can get Saratoga from a variety of other places, she isnt exactly worth specifically spending money for

[pliant lily]

Ooooo

Okay okay, thanks for clarifying!

[remote yarrow]

Whaling for Saratoga, brings back memories

[modern chasm]

how do I get rid of augments? my depot is maxed out

[compact gulch]

Sorry for asking a lot of questions but wanted to confirm if saint louis is a good unit for pr1 or which would be a good investment? I just wanted to get 1 from pr1 and then focus on pr6 kearsage any suggestions I would appreciate thanks!

[soft raft]

feed them to other augments like you'd do with meowficers

[modern chasm]

I tried that, but it doesn't work for some reason

at 170/150 somehow

[soft raft]

No not really
If anything, Roon's the only one with much use but even then it's purely as tech points for FdG

Also I'd highly advice against going for Kearsarge if you havent even done FdG, all of PR4, and at least Plymouth from PR5 first

And give this a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[verbal thistle]

If I were to replace either Unzen or Ply with Guam, who would it be?

[modern chasm]

or am I just softlocked on crafting more augments until I buy an expansion? 💀

[whole crypt]

you should be able to feed them off to other not maxed augments but you may not be able to make new augments using them as fodder

[graceful meteor]

just manually select the aug to feed

[soft raft]

1. what content are you doing
2. What does the rest of the fleet look like
3. Is Guam MLB

[verbal thistle]

1. RodM
2. Shinano/Nagato/Haku/Laff2/Ply/Unzen
3. Yes.

[modern chasm]

yeah that works, thanks

[soft raft]

she wouldnt do much for RodM compared to Unzen or Ply

[verbal thistle]

Hm, okay. Thank you.

[soft raft]

the three of them do completely different things and Guam's schtick is the one that's the least suitable for this particular fight

[verbal thistle]

I was just trying to find uses for Guam, lol. No worries at all. Appreciate it.

[soft raft]

you'll definetly end up using her in W15
or in general for campaign

And in CV boss fleets in opsi

[verbal thistle]

I'll get arnd to completing W14 and moving to W15 soon-ish. Prob use her then

[verbal thistle]

Ah, okay. Thanks!

[kind needle]

How many 155kai shall I need?

I alr got 2

[sharp socket]

secured c5/6 nodes in opsi are giving very little stuff is this normal

[soft raft]

yes

[sharp socket]

should i go open my coordinate loggers

[whole crypt]

secured nodes of any corrosion don't give much, you're repeating to fish for salvage nodes

[sharp socket]

also i think i overshot my adapt stats

[whole crypt]

doesn't matter

[sharp socket]

im at 204/170/180

[whole crypt]

you want 203/203 for arb

[steady beacon]

Second can still go higher

[keen sable]

only if you spent resources to get. ap to overshoot is fine

[sharp socket]

i did actually buy out the adapts in shops

[keen sable]

you don't have much choice on your first cycle but to buy adapts from shops though

the alternative to buy is far worse

[whole crypt]

if you haven't gone through reset yeh

[sharp socket]

this is all i bought so far

[whole crypt]

you should avoid buying adapts next month, just do the hard stuff later in the month

[keen sable]

ok nevermind you're on second cycle. too bad then

[sharp socket]

the special tokens i can grind are infinite right

[keen sable]

there's no such thing as inifinite ops...

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't say inifinite but you'll have more than enough to buy up shop

[sharp socket]

anyway i just noticed the 4th shop has giga expensive UR stuff that ill save for

[low vapor]

Hey guys I was looking through the gear lab and found the new Japanese AA gun how good is that

[whole crypt]

start the month clearing easier zones first and just doing missions
wait for adapts to ramp up before doing harder maps, strongholds or coords
you will have more than enough to buy up entire shop by end of month

[keen sable]

it's ok on unzen. a better aa gun than 134

[whole crypt]

(not that you should buy everything)

[low vapor]

What is 134

[keen sable]

double dido?

the fp aa gun

[sharp socket]

so i need 12 SR plane design and 9 UR plane design for wyvern

UR gear plan is locked 3 a month so 3 months for wyvern

[olive rover]

Is this gun worth crafting?

[keen sable]

32 days...

[sharp socket]

what

[whole crypt]

eh it's not really a better AA gun than 134 at least AA wise, and there's only like a few IJN ships with enough FP for it to be useful

[sharp socket]

does the shop reset before month end?

[keen sable]

you're disregarding the first sentence

[low vapor]

Only on unzen or all IJN ship

[compact gulch]

I went through the guide but I didn’t see about the tech points might be in another guide just wondering does it use the points or do I just need to collect enough just to develop it?

[whole crypt]

I guess I wouldn't be using Unzen where AA will matter

[soft raft]

no they are not used up upon unlocking
you just need to collect enough

[whole crypt]

port shops are once per month but you can get additional UR designs from classified loggers

there's also just gaming your luck with abyssals and cat dives but

[sharp socket]

are they random or selector

[whole crypt]

classified loggers are 1 selector at the end of each chain

[low vapor]

Is the buff permanent or temporary

[sharp socket]

oh its those things in exchange shop

i heard theyre limited to once per account of each logger tho

[soft raft]

can you re-send that image?

[whole crypt]

yes the loggers are one-time

[soft raft]

nop, still fucked up
dunno what the hell is happenong

[low vapor]

Bruh why is happening

[soft raft]

very meh

[low vapor]

Ok

[compact gulch]

Ah that’s where my concern was lol so roon. Then fdg the pr4 and ply of pr5 then kear?

At 7-4 but already losing a ship by the time I get to boss so idk if I need to replace a unit or maybe I haven’t put the right gear on some?

[steady beacon]

I didn't see an answer to this so
It is a definitive upgrade to the Single 120 used on ships that need gun spam for skills/barrages
Whether it is clearly better in general than the 76 is an open question... if range is a concern, then I would say yes, but otherwise unclear
But do note it is very expensive for what is arguably a minmaxing upgrade

[soft raft]

you sound like you're not in a position to work on a 2nd fleet much less care about research ships right now...

[keen sable]

3 from port, 1 from narbiter, 5 from loggers = wyvern in 32 days. 29 if you started in february 2023. tbf if you were talking about after the rush you are still missing narbiter

[olive rover]

Thanks!

[whole crypt]

I think the main issue when considering the new 113 is for minmaxing I don't expect it to consistently do better than 76

[rapid grail]

you can just use 76mm or 120mm DD guns that are blue rarity

I personally will. But if opsi materials are a concern or you have other priorities, you can craft it later

from what I've seen, 113mm gives higher highs and lower lows

[steady beacon]

What data I have seen indeed suggests it does not
But in the game mode where I actually care, I will still take it

Although granted, we have now lost the ship who we arguably most cared about keeping consistent uptime for

[frank pulsar]

who, shima?

[whole crypt]

@keen sable if you have good data to say lab113 consistently gives better results than 76 on Shimakaze or Kazagumo I'll take it

[keen sable]

so you are saying it is empirically slower. even though the game runs at 30 fps or whatever. and also that single 120 is trash.

because if it's not actually slower then it can't be worse and can only be better

[steady beacon]

There is already some data out, nothing to do with its actual speed though...

Pretty much exactly what beth said, higher highs, lower lows, and not consistently beating the 76

[topaz smelt]

sounds scuffed

[whole crypt]

it doesn't help that those are also ships with basically no gun damage and barrages that scale on TRP
the difference in gun damage dealt between the two guns might as well be a rounding error

[compact gulch]

Yea kinda started last week so have been slowly getting advice for current fleet haven’t managed to get 2nd fleet due to work but have a bit of resources to start it just don’t know if I have good units for it. As I recall from the guide it mentioned the first fleet was to push through the mobs and the 2nd fleet was supposed to be made for quickly dealing with the boss or am I wrong?

[topaz smelt]

gotta see the data and methodology to get an opinion of it

[steady beacon]

Would you expect the 113 to consistently do better?

[topaz smelt]

on a long term average yes

[viscid swift]

if data says the 113mm does worse than the 76mm
That sounds more like movement RNG than anything else

[soft raft]

yes but you start working on the 2nd fleet at W9, not anywhere earlier than that

you might want to give this a read (or re-read) if you havent already https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[topaz smelt]

unless the slightly longer range fucks with aoa positioning

[keen sable]

that makes no sense. do better testing. explain the lower low. is it because the gun fires more and shima is out of position when the aoa goes off?

[topaz smelt]

10 range is pretty cope for that difference tho

[whole crypt]

it doesn't even need to be worse though, it just just needs to not do better

[steady beacon]

Well, the stage is yours

[whole crypt]

because then you're just spending a bunch of materials to get the same results

[forest palm]

[topaz smelt]

with the amount of variance this game is, youre not gonna be able to prove that

unless you can somehow mathematically prove the range is detrimental more than the fp gain

[steady beacon]

All I particularly care for is that, in the place where it matters I will take the range

[topaz smelt]

where was this even tested?

[forest palm]

I'd hope 14/15 where you'd want relevant data

[topaz smelt]

id take 11hm to minimize planes

better not be one of those afk dead center bs

[steady beacon]

Let me make a few inquiries

One seems to have been done on CM
Although there's a reasonable question on whether this month's fidget spinner pattern is terribly representative of a general situation
Well, if @keen sable or anyone else wants to produce more data, it is nothing if not welcome

[topaz smelt]

i can see it being negatively skewed against longer range in that fight if you sit center

i hope torps are unequipped

[steady beacon]

Ye that last condition I doubt highly

[topaz smelt]

i meant for new tests

[steady beacon]

I guess my question is: are we interested in this being a straight damage test?

[compact gulch]

So I have Portland and Helena but was told that what I had was good to getting to chapter 9 should I switch out for Portland and Helena? Helena isn’t built but I have exp t2 packs and enough elite bulins.

[soft raft]

You need to raise Portland at one point for the rookie missions
Personally not the biggest fan of Bremerton in terms of gameplay viability but she works fine with the time being since you lack better options in the CA department but you'd still raise Helena anyways

[stone sluice]

What you mean by 5 from loggers?

[keen sable]

make second fleet...hmm you still can't do D2?

[keen sable]

Classified loggers have a reward of 1 UR design https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren#File_Zones

[compact gulch]

I am on C2 (3stars) of the event haven’t attempted C3 yet

[keen sable]

you should try to see if you can break into D1.

[compact gulch]

Sounds good I’ll give it a shot also I’ll send a picture of my dock if I can get some suggestions for the 2nd fleet.

[viscid swift]

your "2nd fleet" at this stage would consist of a few good extra ships you have and filler for the rest of the slots to meet hard node requirements

[compact gulch]

This is what I currently have if I need to switch anything with main fleet or make 2nd fleet I’ll do it and will run the team till I cant. Thanks again for the help!

[viscid swift]

2nd fleet would be
Alsace, Ark Royal, Yorktown, Portland, Shigure, Helena

like I said though at this stage it's more of a stat padder than anything else

[compact gulch]

Like this yes?

[viscid swift]

Alsace to flag but yes

[compact gulch]

lol my bad went with how you typed it.

[crisp estuary]

[viscid swift]

When people list fleets its listed as
Flag, off flag, off flag, main tank, middle, off tank

[compact gulch]

Ahhhh makes sense I am learning something new everyday😅

[viscid swift]

You'll only be using Alsace Ark Royal, Helena, and Portland later on

Yorktown and Shigure are just padding for now

[mint flint]

thats also how its listed when deploying for a sortie btw

[viscid swift]

Also grab Hood from the medal shop

She'll probably be used later on as well

[azure rain]

What ships did y'all use to best World 13+

[still merlin]

Mostly those with good AA imo

[remote yarrow]

How much better is TY's missile compared to the other one?

[azure rain]

Any specifics?
Sandy, Portland, and who else?

[undone plover]

13 isnt that hard tbh.

Unicorn + proper levels and gear + green ACV is good enough. Couple of decent aa ships in vanguard and u are golden

[steel jacinth]

how do i get more of this? i farm a lot of 12-4 but i never seem to get enough to offset the amount of research projects i do every day

[undone plover]

U can do triple carrier in mob
BB + 2 CV in boss

[dense birch]

need some help. how do i combine tech box in depot? i got more than 5 but only got option to use them, not combine

[azure rain]

Levels are no problem, it's more so the gears. I barely play OpSi. So I don't have materials for good gear. Nor do I know what to really focus on.

[viscid swift]

I don't remember and honestly the best fleets to clear said content depends on what you have

[remote yarrow]

You can only combine them up to T3, if you are trying to combine to T4 or T5

[viscid swift]

That's an issue then since gear matters more than the ships

[azure rain]

Just wondering if I can beat 13 and 14 with the right synergy of ships without relying on OpSi gears.

[azure rain]

Darn

[viscid swift]

W13 is easy

[dense birch]

ahh i see, no chance to upgrade T3 huh? thanks. so i should open all my T3, T4, T5 tech box right?

[whole crypt]

13 existed years before OS so definitely
14 is going to be slightly rough without lab

[remote yarrow]

Yes

[dense birch]

thank you!

[viscid swift]

W14 with no opsi gear I'd wait a bit to get some of the more key pieces at least at that point

[keen sable]

try medal shop. scrap blue gear from purple boxes.

[remote yarrow]

[steady beacon]

317/264 ~ 1.2, and it's 0.67s faster

[remote yarrow]

oh

That seems way better

[viscid swift]

sy1a? Like 20% more damage

[steady beacon]

Very much so

[remote yarrow]

Time to give it to my CC

[undone plover]

Well the enterprise daily raid drops opsi mats. U could have enough to scrounge up some decent gear without grinding opsi I guess. If u want specific advice u need to post your stuff in a thread

[whole crypt]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=27210667&_fp=5 xiaosheng is still updating OS recs? wow

[viscid swift]

You can't get design plans or Ordinance reports from that

[keen sable]

or spec parts for max

[steel jacinth]

damn would've expected that going into higher stages would give both enough common parts AND purple parts, but i guess i'll just open the purple boxes i got then
thank you

[undone plover]

Oh the t2 reports u are right…. Guess better start grinding opsi then

[whole crypt]

it's become easier to stack ordreps and plans nowadays, the raid is good for topping up the electronics you'll need over time

note being over time

[keen sable]

eh you haven't seen 13 yet. 0 grey parts.

[whole crypt]

B1 grind great for grey parts

[steel jacinth]

actually? is it worth farming in lower stages for grey parts?

[viscid swift]

Just stick to farming W12

[azure rain]

Yea, I've been playing this game for years. I've recently started to "get serious" and work on story mode. I regret not focusing on it and gear grinding sooner. Im basically a Newbie with a lot of ships.

[whole crypt]

well most grinding is done in 12 so that's fine

[viscid swift]

join the club lol
it'll be a bit rough but you'll get into the swing of things and catchup soon enough

[whole crypt]

if you have the ships, levels and basic gear getting into OS isn't that bad

[undone plover]

Opsi always seems daunting but it rly doesnt need a lot of grinding. 5-10 mins per day for daily missions and a couple of days for the abyssals + strongholds each month.

U can automate the initial clear and hidden zones with the loggers

[keen sable]

i didn't want to say it but i believe the 13+'ers resort to like 2-4 and B1. I also avoid Q1's if i can help it at all. (that's good anyway because Q4 and Q2 are better over the long term)

[whole crypt]

B1 likely more common, I don't hear too many people doing ch2 unless comms cope or already over 160

[remote yarrow]

Does Mogador want Hammer or Swords?

[steel jacinth]

so event stage B1 for common parts...got it

[whole crypt]

doesn't have to be B1, just 0LB B map grind for events in general

B1 is the most efficient if you bother doing CVL swap for 3 oil

[steady beacon]

Reading auto-translated CN for AL is one of the great joys tbh
I follow almost all of what is said by just being so used to the hilariously bad translation, but it still reads so funny

[whole crypt]

so xiaosheng's rec is Harbin with mog gun in mob and Mog in Alsace BB with duck

[silver lintel]

Harbin is rly nice to clear strays

[whole crypt]

mog can do that as well, I'm actually not sure who uses the gun better because I didn't do a harbin vs mog, only harb vs ddgs

[undone plover]

How much spec core was in weekly missions?

[steady beacon]

Tbh I don't really care to optimise my mob fleets that much
Since, at this point, my two non-boss fleets are half cross-fleet half mob anyway

[whole crypt]

like 500 each week

[silver lintel]

Harbin has staggered torps too

[steady beacon]

Should be 500 ye

[silver lintel]

Im at 4k/5k now

[whole crypt]

sounds normal

[whole crypt]

4.3k here, sounds about right when grinding

[silver lintel]

How does +13 bfg compares to +10 flaps vs heavy

[steady beacon]

Ye I imagine so
The whole uh
Gridman strategy he recommended once seemed a little bit too tryhard with regards to speeding clear times

[dense birch]

my ships are level 50 now, probably too low level to get morgador right?

[remote yarrow]

How do those corelate?

[vale spindle]

na you just need to no life grind

you want enough event points to get the rainbow gun and mogador which is gonna be hard but doable

[dense birch]

new player, the mission to get her exchange tickets look like tough contents

[remote yarrow]

oh the D3 ones too low

[whole crypt]

B3 works

[keen sable]

if you do every single daily you wouldn't even need to grind but if you started yesterday...

[remote yarrow]

D3 is 90+ and you will need more ships for the stat requirements

[whole crypt]

but B3 is going to be a bit of work for lv50

[steady beacon]

Calculator gives me 189 × 4 × 0.5 ÷ (2 × 416 × 1.15) ~ 0.395
So outside of both bombs just missing...
(Can modify that number a tiny bit upwards to account for Siren Killer if necessary)

[whole crypt]

rockets are just bad for heavy

[remote yarrow]

This is fine for Mogador right?

[whole crypt]

unless you make fockwulfe but whatever

[steady beacon]

(My bad, wrong number for first)

[vale spindle]

unless its the fw190 rockets

[undone plover]

It is not impossible but u need to grind hard.
Have you managed to pull the event ships at all? There are one time missions that give 10 vouchers for using them in b3/d3 which will make your life easier

[dense birch]

yup, i managed to get alsace

[pliant lily]

whats the best way to farm red gems? doing main missions?

[dapper token]

how do you use t1 xp data pack?

[whole crypt]

3-starring campaign is the main source of your free gems
but these are one-time sources

[hard mesa]

put 80% on bomb dmg due to 80%avi scale

[keen sable]

that's basically the only way to get them but it's not farming

[steady beacon]

Go to the ship page and hit "Boost XP"

[pliant lily]

ohhh okay okay, thanks!

[remote yarrow]

You dont really "farm them" you get them from 3* main campaign stages, mementos and RNG from Gem commissions

[dapper token]

ahhh thanks

[steady beacon]

True, but for illustrative purposes, I think it's pretty clear it's not exactly a competition
If it were closer, then we can argue that

[remote yarrow]

Just in case, if you plan on using your gems for Skins, stop right there if you are a F2P player, gems should only be used for getting your 3rd or 4th dorm slot + 2nd floor and then dumping everything on dock space, since they are really scarce

[undone plover]

@dense birch Make sure you do the daily mission that gives 5 vouchers as well. It doesnt show up in the daily mission tab so u might miss it. Check it on the event voucher page. (The one with mogador on it)

Also dont buy anything from the event shop yet. The shop stays for one more week after the event so u can get everything after you finish the grind.
If u have enough by the end then that is great. if not at least u wont end up wasting your event currency.

[dense birch]

i read some guide that says hold off on unlocking dorm 2nd floor?

[whole crypt]

3 slots + 2nd floor good

[undone plover]

3rd dorm slot and 2nd foor is a good investment. U dont need to hold off but u need dorm tokens to expand the dorm which takes time and u cant rush it

[steel jacinth]

wait, you're supposed to unlock the 2nd floor? i haven't even unlocked that...

[crisp vine]

Question, bearn meta is good, mid, bad?

[viscid swift]

good if you can properly enhance her

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/BombSpread
just refer to the tables at the bottom in future

[whole crypt]

2nd floor has higher morale regen and basically doubles the number of dorm slots you have for morale, it's not a must but you'll probably want it for grinding

[remote yarrow]

Yes it basically doubles your dorm slots and gives your higher morale recovery but without the passive exp part

[pliant lily]

I still need to watch a guide for dorm, it wasnt long ago since I started so thank you for your recommendation!

[crisp vine]

And she is mob or boss destroyer?

[viscid swift]

she's a mobber

[dense birch]

nice, i really need that since my fleet gets low morale so fast

[crisp vine]

Ty

[remote yarrow]

Ummm if you are watching Youtube guides I recommend you don't, they are mostly outdated and filled with misinformation, just ask whatever question you got in here

[pliant lily]

ah, is there a website or a place where I can get informed about this?

[remote yarrow]

Just ask whatever in here or read sam's guides https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/index

[steel jacinth]

oh wait, that's why i haven't gotten the 2nd floor, it's 500 gems
that could get me like 20 dock space

[pliant lily]

thank you again! it means a lot!

[dense birch]

-in this game, do we only use UR units in late game?
-if i am a new player, currently i am grinding event map A3, and story mode map 4. which is better to grind?

[whole crypt]

you can use URs earlier, but it's just costly to raise one as a new player

UR bulins are limited and they also cost more coins to LB

[remote yarrow]

1. No, you can't beat later stages with just URs even if it may look like it, some SRs are still very useful
2. Try to get to B3

[whole crypt]

not to mention they also take more XP, so they can lag behind your fleet for level advantage if they're not the ones getting MVP

[dense birch]

are new jersey and foch meta good? foch meta art looks so unique

[viscid swift]

Yes, no

[whole crypt]

NJ is good
Foch META is probably 🚮

[sweet delta]

6 star nj is good

[remote yarrow]

Btw as an Example, most Late game content we got is W15 and even then only half of all the ships ppl use in the recommended fleet are URs and one of them is an SR Retrofit

[zinc turret]

sandy ?

[sweet delta]

It sure isn't yuudachi or warspite

[remote yarrow]

War who?

[whole crypt]

if throwing rainbows at it blindly works, it's not what we consider difficult at this point

[dapper token]

whats the best stage to farm event

[whole crypt]

usually D3

[viscid swift]

D3

[remote yarrow]

D3 > D1 > C2 > B3

[dapper token]

aight

[novel condor]

whats teh armour type for this month arbiter?

[viscid swift]

Heavy

[novel condor]

aight ty

[zinc turret]

what is arbiter ?

[undone plover]

Short of pulling on perma for shinano dupes how can I get 600 spec core fast without also spending a lot of oil?
Does opsi work?

[whole crypt]

big bad boss in the middle swirly thing in OS

[remote yarrow]

A Siren boss inside the big whirlpool in the center of Opsi

[whole crypt]

have you bought from medal shop

[zinc turret]

i havnt even clear the campaign yet cuz chapter 5 almost in the center of the whril and its surrounded by c6 zone

[remote yarrow]

You can beat her if you zerg hard enough

[verbal thistle]

Are wyverns still good for boss fights? Under what conditions?

[zinc turret]

im only strong enough to kill c5

[whole crypt]

there's some from clearing OS stuff but won't be a quick 600

[viscid swift]

Pretty much just campaign bosses

[remote yarrow]

Unless she has a healing passive, which then you are screwed

[verbal thistle]

Oof.. W14/W15?

[tranquil saffron]

As soon as I run out of ammo shit hits the fan what do I do
14-3

[viscid swift]

Yes

[viscid swift]

Your gearing is shit then

[undone plover]

Arbi doesnt have the heal does she?

[verbal thistle]

Appreciate it.

[verbal thistle]

This is me too LOL.

[crisp vine]

Its still worth put this in cv? Only for avi

[viscid swift]

Only on Akagi

[zinc turret]

i ever tried c6 zone and the last boss heal after i die before the boss show up

[crisp vine]

crap

[tranquil saffron]

As soon as ammo runs out the suicide boats eat me alive

[viscid swift]

Do you have a 457 for FDG

[whole crypt]

wasn't 14-3 DD boss

[viscid swift]

What is the vanguard running

[cobalt rapids]

what about ur vang gear

[steady beacon]

It indeed was

[cobalt rapids]

this is the mobbing fleet

[steady beacon]

Shigure and Michishio iirc

[sweet delta]

Shimakaze and anchorage suck at dealing with kagerous

[whole crypt]

457 is going to shit for boss fight

[forest palm]

you can brute force 14-3 boss

[viscid swift]

This is for mobbing...

[wind hazel]

it's... a mobbing fleet, i think

[whole crypt]

if it's shitting on 0ammo mob then well... yeh

[tranquil saffron]

457?

[sweet delta]

Wrong torp on anchorage

[viscid swift]

Georgia Gun

[sweet delta]

And you'll just have to change a ship or overpower more