gameplay-help

[wraith oyster]

mainly asked so i knew if investing in roon muse would be good or not

[gloomy mesa]

tai lung brother, just do what you need to do. There is no secret, it's always been you.

[whole crypt]

Roon Muse is 🚮

[wraith oyster]

and yes theres no helena there but im raising her dw, also have brennus but no idea if i wanna raise or not

[gloomy mesa]

Dude is raising everything he can already

[wraith oyster]

why not, sr bulins are damn near unlimited, got like 120 ships sitting at lvl 70 cause xp is whats annoying to raise

[whole crypt]

like I said, Heinrich is fine

[viscid swift]

at that point you may as well start working fleet tech to get Anchorage and Agir

[gloomy mesa]

One man is drowning while others are dying from thirst

[wraith oyster]

can someone tell me what changes should be made here with the addition of alsace

[viscid swift]

Alsace boots FDG from the BB fleet once she's maxed

[wraith oyster]

thinking maybe alsace into 3bb fleet, then fdg into mob to replace hood and mob fleet be uni fdg independence?

[whole crypt]

I'm not reading pili's wall of text, if you want help you can post your current comp and dock in a thread

[fervent hearth]

how much are subs needed on w15?

[wraith oyster]

this? @viscid swift or do u think mob should be uni fdg hood

[atomic abyss]

fdg uni indep sounds good

[viscid swift]

sure

[viscid swift]

depends on how good/bad your main fleet is

[whole crypt]

Hood does nothing in OS mob fleet with FdG around

[atomic abyss]

they are only necessary to compensate for anything the fleet lacks dps wise

[viscid swift]

subs aren't needed but they can be useful

[wraith oyster]

yeah i havent touched opsi in over 2 years so i need to start

[whole crypt]

you have enough levels to handle most mid-level stuff, just grind up adapt tuning and gear properly you'll be fine clearing most of the map

[wraith oyster]

yeah gonna finish campaign push then get into opsi

[wraith oyster]

also yeah ik im sitting on 280 agir, 197 anchorage plus like 20 pr4 bps

its a work in progress

[wraith oyster]

you think pr1 saint louis better tank than heinrich for opsi? d30

[whole crypt]

definitely not

[atomic abyss]

definitely not lol

[wraith oyster]

thought her evasion makes her really good mob tank

[atomic abyss]

sanrui isn't even a tank

[wraith oyster]

wait im dumb heinrich is going in 3bb boss anyways

[whole crypt]

her evasion is limited time and she's not that tanky

[wraith oyster]

idk why i thought i had heinrich going mob fleet

[atomic abyss]

she shd be frailer than her sister, brennus if anything...

[wraith oyster]

will kala ideas collab rerun?

[whole crypt]

no idea

[atomic abyss]

[lament tree]

What's bis2

[wraith oyster]

well im on combat xp 2 on saintlouis and have like 400 bps i've sat on for years so i'll just knock her out while im still getting bps for agir and anchorage

[atomic abyss]

bismarck zwei

[lament tree]

Iron blood stay winning

[wraith oyster]

broken faction

[lament tree]

Peak character design, so it checks out

[sweet delta]

check out #al-general

[atomic abyss]

[lament tree]

I'm considering buying the pass thing to unlock aiger

In the shop for 15$

[atomic abyss]

i am pretty sure the pass only applies to golds in each series...

[lament tree]

[viscid swift]

You can't get DRs with it and a PR4 one doesn't even exist yet

[wraith oyster]

not even a series 4 yeah thats what i was gonna say

[lament tree]

Who was someone I can watch again for AL? I know there really isn't one but I remember someone recommended someone

[whole crypt]

jimmy maybe

stigma has some guide vids but not sure if they're what you're after

[lament tree]

Oh, they're actually just called jimmy

[lament tree]

Just content to watch

[icy mountain]

is anchorage just the tankiest non UR atm?

[viscid swift]

vanguard, probably

[icy mountain]

ye

[whole crypt]

there's plenty of "content" out there, but pertaining to gameplay we have no one else to recommend

[lament tree]

I keep getting kimocheese in my notifications but was told to stay away

[whole crypt]

that's how the algorithm works, just ignore kimo's stuff

[lament tree]

I honestly thought the YouTube scene for AL would've been bigger

[whole crypt]

it's quite big, it's just full of shit

[lament tree]

Ima check out Jimmy and the gear site you linked me from eariler to see if I can make any space to open more boxes

[whole crypt]

if you run out of depot space clear out trash or equip stuff to ships you're not using

[lament tree]

Equips don't take space?

[atomic abyss]

they do not once they are equipped on ships

[whole crypt]

equipped items are not in the depot, so no

depot only counts unequipped shit

[lament tree]

I always thought depot was just all of your gear

[whole crypt]

well now you know it isn't

[lament tree]

Worth checking out as a new player or worry about later?

Why did my screenshot turn into a file

[whole crypt]

no idea not watching tube guides

it also doesn't take 30 minutes to talk about useful guns

[viscid swift]

just read sam's guide

[whole crypt]

like for 99% of use cases it just boils down to like around 10 guns, some of which are just sidegrades

[viscid swift]

Yep
Light: Mk7s if you have them, otherwise Mk6
Medium/Heavy: Champiagn Guns/Soyuz Gun/Flandre Guns
Mobbing: 457
poverty mobbing option: Twin 410mm

[vale spindle]

Its just a video guide of my image guides in /equip

if you want additional information feel free to watch the video

but its definitely overkill for new players especially

[whole crypt]

why does it take 30 minutes to talk about that table...

[vale spindle]

Its not entirely on the table

it also goes over mgm and terminology too

[old zodiac]

do you still need Toolboxes and Extings on ships in the mid game?

[lament tree]

For hard mode stages, are there any events that increase the amount of runs you can do, or reduce the cooldown or something like that?

[vale spindle]

the actual table part starts like 10-15 minutes in

[whole crypt]

information overload literally unusable

[old zodiac]

or i can jsut replace them with other aux

[atomic abyss]

toolboxes will last you till end game

[vale spindle]

There's sometimes 3x core data drop boost but thats it

[atomic abyss]

fire supressors will only be used when needed (i.e w14)

[old zodiac]

should i put them on cvs?

or doub cats like the ones i see

[atomic abyss]

lol no
toolboxes for frontliners only

[old zodiac]

ah k

[meager gyro]

thank for the info

[wraith oyster]

guam laffey(not II) sandy should be good eagle union vanguard right

[polar venture]

Should I MLB nano or Mogador first?

[atomic abyss]

laffey OG is a bit out of place, but yes

[wraith oyster]

one sec i'll show my eagle union vanguards

[eager mulch]

you can actually make a good Eagle Union vanguard if you incorporate ships from other factions 🧠

[atomic abyss]

why do you even need full EU vanguard?
PR grind for anchorage?

[meager gyro]

who should i start after mainz?

[atomic abyss]

...why is that helena not levelled

[wraith oyster]

pr grind yes

[eager mulch]

pr grind you just take 3 non maxed ships that fulfill the req

[wraith oyster]

dont need her yet, yeah ikik, im pushing campaign then gonna use her in opsi

[eager mulch]

in 12-4

[atomic abyss]

so then
guam, helena san fran/northampton 2

[wraith oyster]

maxed ships also contribute to pr grind do they not?

[atomic abyss]

they do, but why would you waste your time using them when you can level better stuff

[lament tree]

Beehive so bad it has its own section on how bad it is?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[lament tree]

Yikers

[wraith oyster]

so just dont use laffey? shes not capped

[atomic abyss]

...start any of the PR4 ships?

[meager gyro]

not enough points

[atomic abyss]

you will not use laffey og in late game AL
so keep her at 120

[atomic abyss]

fdg?
if done, cheshire then

[meager gyro]

fdg is done, not enought points for cheshire

[atomic abyss]

then take a break

[wraith oyster]

u could do pr1 for the missions if u havent already

[meager gyro]

i can only do pr1 ships except iron blood

[lament tree]

Wait really?

[atomic abyss]

have you even done roon

[meager gyro]

yeah, she was my first

[viscid swift]

yes really

[atomic abyss]

DDs just aren't seen much in late/end game AL

[meager gyro]

what missions?

roon is also my only dev30

[atomic abyss]

actually no
guam helena portland

you need to retrofit portland for the rookie missions anyways

[wraith oyster]

already did all those

[soft raft]

rookie missions

[lament tree]

Helena is the last retro I need

[polar venture]

Is nano usable with 5 stars?

[whole crypt]

if it's for cdc just use anything that's not capped if you care about efficiency, otherwise just use whatever

[wraith oyster]

research page bottom right in rookie missions

[atomic abyss]

not possible
unless you scrapped a portland retrofit

[meager gyro]

where do i find them?

[wraith oyster]

i did

[atomic abyss]

[lament tree]

[soft raft]

Bruh

[wraith oyster]

ugly ship

[atomic abyss]

then why the hell is there another port at 75...

[wraith oyster]

regretted my actions

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Beginner_Rewards#Development_(PR)

[atomic abyss]

so guam helena san fran/northampton 2 then

[whole crypt]

easiest solution to ships you don't like visuals for is to just not look at screen while grinding

[atomic abyss]

no, missing over a third of her damage

[meager gyro]

cant find those, probably did them already

[lament tree]

115 for my main fleet is good enough rn for 9-1 and onwards?

[atomic abyss]

more than enough
you will need a 2nd fleet by w12 tho

[wraith oyster]

i was just glad when i got better ships and didnt have to use her anymore, not one of my best moments

[whole crypt]

you want a second fleet by 12, you don't need it

[lament tree]

it looks like that if your using new ui

[atomic abyss]

you will need one by 13 then

[soft raft]

You gotta clear this section first before you unlock it
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Beginner_Rewards#Exam-0

[viscid swift]

honestley trying to tackle W12 with just one fleet unless it's stacked sounds more trouble than it's worth

[atomic abyss]

it is

[lament tree]

this is all i have left to do for mine

[whole crypt]

I mean people going to play the way they like I'm not going to shame dumping boats
but efficiency

[meager gyro]

switched to new ui and when i go there it gives me this

[sweet delta]

chapter 15 is doable with 1 fleet

[atomic abyss]

doable for the try hard player
not the average player

[wraith oyster]

can confirm, im gonna do it one day

[stark quiver]

doable for you

[whole crypt]

isn't that still using 2 fleets with second fleet for cross and ACV

[atomic abyss]

of course

no acv in w15 is insane

[lament tree]

acv?

[soft raft]

Air Control Value

[sweet delta]

i did it lethal with just one fleet of 6 ships on the entire map

[wraith oyster]

the little plane that changes colors on your map screen in a stage

[whole crypt]

good for you

[wraith oyster]

which ships though

[meager gyro]

should i craft a second flapjack?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[meager gyro]

who should i give it?

essex has one already

[atomic abyss]

unicorn should have taken it before essex
so unicorn

[whole crypt]

Unicorn or whichever other carrier is on active duty

[soft raft]

yeah just whatever CVs you're actively using

[cobalt rapids]

i doubt u should be crafting flapjacks rn

[meager gyro]

which other carrier should i invest in? got a spare seafang now

[wraith oyster]

bro has flapjacks before me

[atomic abyss]

aquila, enterprise and eventually august once max dev

[whole crypt]

Aquila right there looking damn fine

[meager gyro]

she has a f6f hellcat rn

[whole crypt]

you'll need to LB Enterprise

[stark quiver]

its just opsi grind

[meager gyro]

is enterprise that good?

[soft raft]

Realistically these are the only CVs out of the ones you have right now that'll have any mainline use, with Illustrious only being for W15 support fleet, AvP mainly in OpSi CV comps, and Indep after you retrofit her

[atomic abyss]

she can compete with UR CVs so...

[lament tree]

im going to start leveling the units from fleet 2. does it matter which ones i start with? i was gonna switch out helena and alsace

[meager gyro]

whats better on aquila? hellcat or seafang?

[atomic abyss]

gold hellcat

[cobalt rapids]

hellcat is the better 2x500lb fighter

[atomic abyss]

what in the world is that 2nd fleet even

[soft raft]

Gold hellcat
Not like Aquila's plane wants are any different than the majority of CVs except that you can give her a DB instead of a fighter for a preload

[atomic abyss]

didn't someone tell you to raise something else besides shiranui earlier

[cobalt rapids]

finish lvling the unit from fleet 1 first

[meager gyro]

you lost me with the second sentence

[meager gyro]

ok so should i retrofit indep rq?

[soft raft]

TLDR Her gear needs arent anything special compared to the usual CV setup outside of a gimmick she can do if you give her a Dive bomber instead of a fighter

[silk helm]

umi no neko why is crafting flapjacks early bad?

[whole crypt]

Aquila has a variable plane slot but the planes she wants is the same as any other carrier

[cobalt rapids]

because materials are better spent on wyvern and conv tb since they offer a bigger upgrade

[soft raft]

More like he most likely hasnt been able to farm OpSi enough to justify putting Flaps at a higher prio than other things

[hot warren]

Should I start developing her right now?

[meager gyro]

no gold for retrofit

[atomic abyss]

no
finish PR4 first if you haven't

[soft raft]

Have you gotten FdG, all of PR4, and at least Plymouth maxed out already?

[lament tree]

im not using them all together, theyre peices i was told i can use to mix and match to make basic boss/mob fleets

[viscid swift]

I'm gonna hope so by the amount BPs in PR6 already

[hot warren]

Not any of them

[atomic abyss]

then start with fdg in pr2

[soft raft]

but like who the hell reccomended you that vanguard

[hot warren]

Okay ty all

[meager gyro]

how do i get gold fast?

[whole crypt]

grinding with oilcap

[viscid swift]

you might wanna give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[meager gyro]

how do i get oil fast?

[atomic abyss]

no you most definitely were told a few hours ago to change that frontline...

[viscid swift]

wait or get out the credit card

I'm pretty sure I was the one who reccomended Kagero and Javelin
I also said that they were purely to be used for hard node stat sticks

[lament tree]

they said to put in tanks, but thats it

[whole crypt]

I'm pretty sure I told you 2-3 days ago whenver you want to ask "how do I get x fast" the answer is "there's no fast way besdies to grind/wait"

[hot warren]

Even Im at 144/630 for FDG?

[soft raft]

welp first you'd have to go grind divergent chessboard but yes FdG is your first priority

[viscid swift]

where are you in the main campiagn right now

[hot warren]

I think its 9-3

[viscid swift]

forget about farming XP then and push the main campiagn to W12 first then

[lament tree]

this is what im basing my 2nd fleet off of

[atomic abyss]

too early to worry about PR then

[viscid swift]

yeah, I specifically said that the vanguard was just to meet hard noe requirements

you don't wanna actually use that to push content

[atomic abyss]

yeah you clearly misinterpreted what you were told

[lament tree]

they were helping me meet stat requirments'

[whole crypt]

for a start if you want to swap in a ship to level swap one that can survive

[hot warren]

okay so Im going to farm iron blood tech

I will push map after this event end

[viscid swift]

just to clarify, you do not want to use Shiranui or Kagero to push content period and probably not Javelin either

[lament tree]

idk how else to meet stat requirments

[whole crypt]

Javelin with retrofit and aug is at least slightly less sus up to around ch12

[viscid swift]

you level them and use them

just bear what I said above in mind

[whole crypt]

you need to start picking ships that are actually going to be more useful later in the game than being your hardmode stat fillers

[lament tree]

nelson retro, hood and sara are still good picks?

[whole crypt]

Saratoga more so than the other two, since you're missing a second BB just stick with the higher level Hood

[silk helm]

ye

[whole crypt]

no real reason to start raising Nelson at this point

[wraith oyster]

hood and saratoga solid

[silk helm]

wait why not

[hot warren]

do you simp for her?

[atomic abyss]

nelson retro competes with hood

[lament tree]

so i just need an entirely new frontline

[silk helm]

i just retro nelson

[soft raft]

He already has Alsace and Hood
Sure Alsace isnt MLB but UR BB still UR BB

[whole crypt]

he has a leveled Hood and an okay Alsace, he doesn't need a third BB/BC for now

[wraith oyster]

thats fine

[heavy ember]

Returning player here, how does the new affinity work? I used to just put the ships i use to farm on second floor and that woould work but now it seems like it goes down way faster… how do you do it now?

[silk helm]

i have nelson hood and alsace

[whole crypt]

2LB Alsace is going to be better than raising Nelson from scratch

[atomic abyss]

no change with that

[soft raft]

were you using the 2x plans or not

[wraith oyster]

dont use the 2x

[lament tree]

well i already have an UR bulin, just waiting to finish cruise pass

[whole crypt]

yeh so no need to invest in Nelson for now

[hot warren]

take a break and...

[viscid swift]

you also don't have 4 CVs worth using

it was not a waste to retrofit Nelson

[heavy ember]

Oh the 2x messes with it?

[atomic abyss]

it doubles morale loss
as with everything else

[whole crypt]

you get double for spending double

[soft raft]

think of the 2x plans as doing 2 runs at once
so it doubles everything including the downsides

[silk helm]

thank you I am surrounded by potatoes

[soft raft]

2nd floor of dorm cant keep up with 2 runs worth of morale being drained at once

[wraith oyster]

get 2x rewards use 2x oil and morale so the grind is shorter before morale gone

[soft raft]

Basically 2x plans are for if you lack time to grind

[heavy ember]

I see but i swear even when i 2x before it doesnt go down that fast hahaha

[tranquil hemlock]

Any good?

[soft raft]

you prob just didnt grind hard enough for it to be noticable

[heavy ember]

Probably

[atomic abyss]

no

[tranquil hemlock]

The thiccness

[soft raft]

dogshit like basically 99% of event elites

[tranquil hemlock]

But the thiccness

[atomic abyss]

and gph doesn't care for that

[silk helm]

[cobalt rapids]

no1 is forcing u to not use her just know shes bad

[wraith oyster]

mogador tho

[viscid swift]

wait, what other options do you have for the 6th main fleet again

[whole crypt]

that wasn't necessary and you can bring that to #al-general or #off-topic

[tranquil hemlock]

Hey no Tomimi still has the best of thicc tale

[atomic abyss]

oi

[soft raft]

mb

[lament tree]

i can show my box, ive gotten a couple new ships since last time

[whole crypt]

anyway, we don't care how a ship looks, if a ship's performance is shit she's shit here

[lament tree]

[meager gyro]

man, im getting pr ships at a faster rate than useable gear

[whole crypt]

gear grind was never fast

[wraith oyster]

where do ppl farm their purp toolboxes

[atomic abyss]

they don't

[cobalt rapids]

tech boxes

[soft raft]

any purple/gold tech box

[whole crypt]

tech boxes until the prints somehow end up overflowing from goodness knows where

[wraith oyster]

how many toolboxes should keep at +10?

[soft raft]

yes

[atomic abyss]

...at least 12 i suppose?

start with 6

[stark quiver]

so about this fleet https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/?AFLD=No4BgXQGnbb4BmMB2MAOMUAsntcQE5F8pF1ksBGbU61MAJkawCIUATAQy4%2B69ZQAbHCKEwAVgIUwBYqVxhSNOlDadefHoJEwWaNFCopsLMukalyl6rSz2o7blu3CI0KglgxIP9zGB9BhwUKiFpG3NIlVtVJz5%2BATcYMUksbFDwo2JZc0ojO2FMNUdOLQ4AIyTdJAZijLC5Eml8mILlBmZ1ZwTq-08A7yHIBCDDY0LrKwtlQrbu3tca1KkjE2Uclty2oWKF5yqdUTrqdabp1rm5zrMnTS0jjy9fYf8QMfTM9LwI2dVuzQ8PowKioUGnSbyT6NdoOUFoLqlBIuI4ghhZBpZKibKJ-Bz7XhLfrPOAvEYBbCEcQYr5kKE4H6wkoAwlEtGhbZnOnNEIw%2BZGG77ADG-FRwHhYBpfJxU1i%2BKRyKJT0GZNJb0CDHGXMU02ihQcTgqLmB4rBnMhPImeJKEsRdw4IrZprQWK52PysqZBrKi0eRhJfj8CEp1IhVnpOrlzKRVQdTvh4LWFuUbv1AoRtw0DtFyWdkrD1BlMyj3uROZETwgAEIwAA6VBVmgijgAM3QQA,
i tried with my comp, but the timing was off for some reason,haku fires first, then nano then implac, how do i fix that

[meager gyro]

is this guy good?

[atomic abyss]

yes, for bosses

[wraith oyster]

which tech boxes give the toolboxes, is it all the factions or certain ones

[atomic abyss]

all of em

[meager gyro]

what do you mean bosses?

[cobalt rapids]

are they the same lvl? are some oathed and some not ?

[soft raft]

Yes
Mainly for Operation Siren CV boss comps

[atomic abyss]

literally for CVs on boss fleets

[stark quiver]

theyre all the same level and all arent oathed

[atomic abyss]

cats?

[whole crypt]

most vets probably have more than I do

[meager gyro]

so i cant use it on normal enemies?

[cobalt rapids]

and ure not running beacon or avii manjuu right

[stark quiver]

yea, lemme check cats

[soft raft]

not that you cant, more like it's suboptimal to use it in campaign or on regular mobs

[wraith oyster]

how are u getting the plates to +10 all those lol

[whole crypt]

by being 👴

[lament tree]

theyve been around since 2019

[whole crypt]

2017

[stark quiver]

ill go test it without cats

[atomic abyss]

bishamaru can have sakura only buffs...

[wraith oyster]

i started 2020 but super casual and slow paced player tbh and took a ton of breaks

[stark quiver]

yea its bishmaru

[lament tree]

what was the grind like back then

[whole crypt]

shit

[soft raft]

the pre-oil cap days sound like pain

[calm rose]

oil cap wasnt a thing back then lmao

[wraith oyster]

thx guess i start opening my like 400 purple boxes

[sweet delta]

cats don't affect the shinano haku implac cv order

[cobalt rapids]

there isnt any sakura only rld afaik

[whole crypt]

the best thing to happen to the game isn't even oil cap it's autosearch

[atomic abyss]

bisha can get sakura faction buff talent

[cobalt rapids]

and if its cv rld the comps will still sync so some magic happens

[atomic abyss]

so that may skew reloads

[soft raft]

How's this looking so far for a W15 CV cat

[cobalt rapids]

the sakura only buff only buffs avi trp and eva

[lament tree]

auto search is new???

[viscid swift]

yes, it only dropped in early 2021

[sweet delta]

mountain on mob = flame on out of ammo > mountain on boss = flame with ammo > stuff

[atomic abyss]

auto search has only been around for maybe... 3 years

[tired condor]

brest is good right

[stark quiver]

Is this bad cat

[atomic abyss]

brest is good yes

[soft raft]

multiple flames aggression talents stack right

[whole crypt]

make sure you spend these too

[eager mulch]

what are those

[cobalt rapids]

all talents stack between 2 offnyas from the fleet

[whole crypt]

selectable purple plates, you get 20 every week from free pack

[tired condor]

dam i dont got any iris libre main fleet tho

[sweet delta]

they are clearly ALL purple plates

[soft raft]

True...

[kind slate]

In a avp/nano/haku fleet, what role does nano play? Is she support or dmg?

[whole crypt]

both

[atomic abyss]

both

[wraith oyster]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

primarly dmg

[eager mulch]

both

[tired condor]

dam war archive hard mode doesnt just give u the boss?

[eager mulch]

it does after 60 clears of the hardest level

[atomic abyss]

event hard modes don't give you the boss
why would war archives of events?

turtle pls

[eager mulch]

oh boss idk what he means by that

genuinely misread there my b

[whole crypt]

archive maps are exactly as they were from the event

[dawn hamlet]

Hi, after the current major event, are we getting another one directly or there's a bit of gap with only minor event?

[eager mulch]

gap probably, nothings been announced

[atomic abyss]

we don't know
probably not another major event tho

[dawn hamlet]

thanks

[viscid swift]

we're definitely not getting a new event next week

it's a war archive week plus new augments

[eager mulch]

more augments

[viscid swift]

stop reading EN patch notes and read the superior JP patch notes

also, it's official raid events will not rerun

[dawn hamlet]

Oh about war archive, is there one interesting to do? I still haven't tried any since I heard the reward are a bit lacking

[forest palm]

we've known they never rerun raid events since the first Maid Raid Event

[eager mulch]

war archives for tech points or collection really

[cobalt rapids]

not unless ure farming ib tech for fdg
or late game collection
or late game jda

[viscid swift]

Air Raid Drills with Essex, Crosswave

[dawn hamlet]

alright, thanks again

[tired condor]

should i do fingerprints for anchorage before starting coining another ship

[cobalt rapids]

coining doesnt conflict with catchup, just dont do pr1-3 catchup till u get a d30 ship from there for protocores

[tired condor]

?

[cobalt rapids]

fingerprints is fs5 mb
finish ancho fs yes

[true kraken]

Is this plane good?

[atomic abyss]

no

those researches are bad anyways

[lament tree]

theres bad research?

[atomic abyss]

inefficient at least

[lament tree]

should i just be auto dismantling blue gear?

[atomic abyss]

no

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[dawn hamlet]

oh thank you for the ressources
really needed to scrap my gears depot, it was always full

[analog hill]

Twin100 or mogador gun on laffy 2?

[atomic abyss]

mogador gun

[analog hill]

Twin100 or 76mm on shimakaze?

[rain vine]

how do i get past the 15-2 boss? i followed this
http://renhex.github.io/alft/81
and bisco 2 is getting nuked

[atomic abyss]

76 on shima

[analog hill]

Tyy

[viscid swift]

did you stick a rudder on her

[rain vine]

i have white shell and afct
do i change the shell for washing machine?

[viscid swift]

yes

[true kraken]

Is this plane good?

[viscid swift]

if that doesn't work try stacking more heavy armor damage in the main fleet

[true kraken]

Where do yall get the single 113mm gold DD gun from?

[viscid swift]

gear lab

[true kraken]

I heard they said it good for Shima right?

[viscid swift]

a very minor upgrade over the 76mm yes

[atomic abyss]

it is a very expensive blue 76mm
stick with the 76

[true kraken]

My friend sent me this, is this true?

[wraith oyster]

if gold triple 406 is safe to scrap i assume the purple is also?

[viscid swift]

seems sus for the bottom half

[atomic abyss]

i would just not use the single 113 and stick with the 76 frankly

[atomic abyss]

there are a LOT of purple 406

one of the best BB guns is the purple triple 406mm mk6

[wraith oyster]

the one that is safe to scrap

i assume the purple of this is safe to scrap also?

[viscid swift]

yes, Purple version is just worse

same applies to the rest of the gear on the safe to scrap list

[wraith oyster]

this the one i keep right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[wraith oyster]

i assume if the purple is on safe to scrap list and not gold, then to keep the golds?

like the quad 356

[viscid swift]

if it's not on the list then it probably has some use

[wraith oyster]

i mean like, the purple quad 356 is on the list, does this mean i dont scrap my gold quad 356s?

[viscid swift]

look further down on the list

[wraith oyster]

we'll just ignore the little conversation we just had

[blazing shale]

what are those? like Tempest & the octopuss sub?

[soft raft]

nah the Tempesta event was SP Format
Raid events like this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Angel_of_the_Iris that's going to be archived are server wide boss battles

[viscid swift]

no, like Joffre's and the LNY events

[blazing shale]

no rerun for Joffre? I literally joined when her event finished

maybe less gem top ups for AL

[viscid swift]

nope, the ships from her event are getting added to the perma pools next patch

[blazing shale]

Yeah but no event

[wraith oyster]

is the gear lab twin 128 useful or is it a sidegrade of guns easier to obtain

[lament tree]

rip, lvl 80 so no more bonuses. how long does lvling a ship take

[blazing shale]

well, if you dorm till 70 you can farm 12-4

[lament tree]

what?

[blazing shale]

oh you meant how long, thats probably 200-300 runs

[soft raft]

Purple one? Poverty aux gun for DD gun locked BB/BCs
Gold one? Pretty good but other options exist like mass producing Harbin gun or the UR DD gun

[lament tree]

[wraith oyster]

harbin gun?

[blazing shale]

generally its weeks to 120

[eternal basalt]

Raids RARELY reran... even before Joffre

[wraith oyster]

whats harbin gun

[cobalt rapids]

pr5 dd gun

[wraith oyster]

gear lab?

[cobalt rapids]

research

[wraith oyster]

oh bps like the tenrai?

[cobalt rapids]

yes from season 5 and its gold

[wraith oyster]

u know actual gun name?

[cobalt rapids]

twin 130 prototype

[wraith oyster]

is it this

[kind slate]

what was the optimal timings for haku/nano/avp again?

[wraith oyster]

dont have any yet, i do have a b-13 twin 130 on my yuudachi though

[cobalt rapids]

same thing basicly

[kind slate]

also do i have to readjust timings everytime i change planes? like rockets vs bombers etc

[atomic abyss]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

save em as presets

[kind slate]

what was the order and time differences again for this fleet?

[viscid swift]

AvP 2nd

[cobalt rapids]

avp 2nd, haku and nano within 0.2s of avp

[turbid basin]

Is Illustrious a good ship to spend first gold bulins on? (only SR ship i have right now)

[cobalt rapids]

tighter = longer

[atomic abyss]

no she is absolutely not

[kind slate]

so something like this?
haku, +0.2s avp, +0.2s nano?

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[wraith oyster]

worth keeping? safe to scrap says niche but the description first sentence says bad on everyone

[cobalt rapids]

safe to scrap

[wraith oyster]

what are easily obtainable better options? not gear lab pls

[cobalt rapids]

only reason to keep is if u want to craft fdg gun

[kind slate]

sorry for additional question, but what planes would i normally use for this setup? tenrai? and also for avp, do i use any iron blood plane?

[soft raft]

406 mk6 and ijn twin 410

[wraith oyster]

my fdg has rainbow 406 mk7

[cobalt rapids]

usually yes, she can take bf, junker or focket depending on armor and sync but usualyl its ju or bf
u can check
https://renhex.github.io/alft/46 but it doesnt have avp with nano/haku but u can get an idea

[atomic abyss]

both of these are purple guns

[wraith oyster]

i have 5 of these purple trip 406 so i'll just scrap all my gold twin 380s

this the 410 u mean?

[kind slate]

oooh. thx this seems useful.

[atomic abyss]

yes

[half plover]

I am really tempted to just buy 2 bearn crystals and mlb her at this point lmao. just got her once from d4

is the event going on for another 3 resets?

[cobalt rapids]

keep in mind avp rld on the tool isnt real but if u proc her skill u can multiply it with 0.97 and should be good enough

[soft raft]

yee

[wraith oyster]

do king george V, jean bart, and littorio even have any use in the later game

[soft raft]

we hav 4 days left of the event

[half plover]

what does that mean

[wraith oyster]

telling me to keep a gold quad 356 for king george v but i dont ever see myself using her

[half plover]

today + another 3 resets?

[atomic abyss]

+1 FP tech
+2 FP tech
+1 FP tech
that's all

[half plover]

a time left in h and minutes ingame would be so great for events

[soft raft]

We will have 4 more resets before the event goes away

[wraith oyster]

so no need to keep the niche weapons that are specifically only for those 3

[atomic abyss]

you MIGHT use JB for Flandre/Gascogne/Champagne grind

i would say no

[wraith oyster]

okay, only gonna keep the gold twin 381 cause some reason i +11ed it awhile back

[kind slate]

is this a decent setup? ignoring timings for the time being.

[soft raft]

if this is a syncing setup, we cant exactly ignore timings

[cobalt rapids]

timings are the whole point

[kind slate]

where do i start? do i start by getting timings, then choose the planes?

i have no clue where to start

[atomic abyss]

ryuuseis > saiuns tho
saiuns only for timing purposes

i would choose the best planes first and tweak accordingly

[viscid swift]

tweak the converging Torpedo bombers between Saiuns, Ju-87ds, and Ryusseis to get AvP 2nd and Shinano and Haku preferably within 0.2 seconds of her aistrike cooldowns

[cobalt rapids]

if ure only syncing the cv between each other and not smth else eg. boss gimmick or other buffers or debuff
u start with using good planes for the right armor for each of em
then go from there and see how close u can bring em together while keeping in mind the 0.2s req and avp 2nd

[viscid swift]

this still kinda WiP but it's got most of the stuff for CVs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/194fEOp-kPJGXii3GKUdKjJJeGbf0tSAPGkoSqo3at8M/edit?usp=sharing

[cobalt rapids]

tweak conv tb and 2x1000 lb fighters then use timing aux then start downgrading the worst slot

within 0.1s doesnt swap order

only <0.03s

[stone sluice]

There is a way the mob fleet picks up the ammo when doing a sortie in auto?

[atomic abyss]

nope

[wraith oyster]

is it good to focus majority of my coins into upgrading lecture hall until max

[atomic abyss]

i would focus on your canteen and merchant first

[rain vine]

fleets for w15 definitely work for w14, right?
im just too lazy to completely edit my fleets

[viscid swift]

with a few tweaks yes

probably

[grizzled creek]

W9 hard mode is discounted too ?

[viscid swift]

it has oil caps yes

[cobalt rapids]

starting from w8 hm theres oilcap

[grizzled creek]

Man I wanna farm W9 HM but I'm too lazy to finish W9 first XD , so tempted to do 8s, n 9 tmrw

Is there math of the drop rate difference? For the retrofit maps

[cobalt rapids]

nop

[grizzled creek]

I guess I'll just try n clear 9s I might as well for higher chance of gold ones

Hopefully it's at least a couple % better odds

[wet prairie]

Does impa, nano or haku have decrease load time or increase self RLD?

[cobalt rapids]

implac if equipped with db

[undone plover]

Is the vit-2 better than gold cuda?

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[wet prairie]

I’m using the CV calc and it says my impa should be on top of my haku in sync but they aren’t

[undone plover]

what about the su2 vs helldiver?

[cobalt rapids]

su2 mby on light

but just helldiver till tenrai

[wet prairie]

Calc says my impa should be slower, she’s somehow faster

[undone plover]

Plac gets 10% RLD with DB in 1st slot. Double check u are not running that

[cobalt rapids]

ccan be many factors

[wet prairie]

Nope

[cobalt rapids]

post ur loadout

[light trail]

is it worth it to 125 suzutsuki or kii? i have 1140 arrays

[cobalt rapids]

not rly, but array income isnt that bad once u got ur fleets going and ure lv100

[wet prairie]

Accounted for it

[cobalt rapids]

what am i looking for to be wrong

[wet prairie]

In game timer is faster than it should be

[cobalt rapids]

it adds 0.1s even tho thats not exactly right but there

[wet prairie]

Ahh ok

So add 0.1s to all CV reload times (using in game number)

[cobalt rapids]

yes but in reality not rly

[wet prairie]

???

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message these are the true abs values

but for inbetween cv syncing it doesnt matter

[wet prairie]

So it’s closer to 0.5?

[cobalt rapids]

thats for multiple cv

aka when 2 or more cvs are launching airstrikes in a row within 0.5s of each other

[wet prairie]

sigh spaghetti code

[cobalt rapids]

[grizzled creek]

Also I just realized I have this, do I work on roon first ? Or start this one now?

[cobalt rapids]

roon

faster fdg is better + d0 ships are useless

[grizzled creek]

Ok, then see afterwards ? ...... oh

[remote yarrow]

I don't think ppl realize how unlocking the ship means nothing

[grizzled creek]

I don't think I realize unlocking a ship is bad as a new player

[cobalt rapids]

shipyard order matters less and less when ure done with coinable ships prio

[eager mulch]

it means -1 dock space

[remote yarrow]

Have you read the Research guide?

[cobalt rapids]

because building them is the fast part and gathering bps is the long one

[vale spindle]

Unlocking the ship doesnt do anything negative

[remote yarrow]

-1 dock space

[eager mulch]

-1 dock space

[vale spindle]

In fact it's actually a positive if the ship can be coinable

[grizzled creek]

That specific one not rlly . Cause it's a lot (the others yes)

And I see ^

[white agate]

imo building exp is the best then you can keep the ship to unlock till you get enough blueprints or you need to use it

[vale spindle]

basically the tldr is ship good once maxed but getting ship maxed very pain

whether the ship is unlocked or not doesnt matter with regards to this

[remote yarrow]

Well TLDR;
FdG > Anchorage > Agir > Rest of PR4 > Ply > Brest > PR5

[eager mulch]

getting ship = easy, making ship good = hard

[grizzled creek]

Hm

[grizzled creek]

Ok so those are the priority ones in order ?

[remote yarrow]

Mostly yes

[grizzled creek]

So I assume Roon helps get the first one

[soft raft]

helps with getting the tech points yee
She cant give XP towards FdG CDC though

[remote yarrow]

ofc you can do one from PR1~3 to complete the Rookie Research missions

[vocal sigil]

marco polo too?

[remote yarrow]

She's not that good, most ppl just skip her and go to Ply

[undone plover]

With pr5 catchup u can throw in harbin/chkalov in there somewhere as well tbh

[grizzled creek]

Hm

[soft raft]

Yes
Purely to max her out so getting the BPs for the other PR4 ships is faster, especially for the DRs

[eager mulch]

max Marco Polo to finish haku faster

[vocal sigil]

[remote yarrow]

Well true, now that you can coin her is faster

[vale spindle]

Marco polo good but alsace is this event and shes just better so with 8 rainbow bbs now gold bbs are kinda hard to justify

might be less or more than 8 but you get what i mean

[remote yarrow]

Who could've guessed too many UR BBs would make SR BBs almost forgotten

[grizzled creek]

I do have Alsace so I guess I def don't worry about Marco Polo

[remote yarrow]

Just coin her for the sake of getting her D research out of the pool

[eager mulch]

max Marco Polo to finish haku faster

[remote yarrow]

But that's something for later

[grizzled creek]

I guess I'll worry about that later since I'm far from PR4

[remote yarrow]

Finish Anchor > AvP first

[undone plover]

U should have research focus on pr4 tho. And start getting agir and haku faces if u can spare the gold

[remote yarrow]

Yeah Research and Coining are expensive if you are not in W12

[grizzled creek]

Ok well I'll just follow this then, I screenshot it

[remote yarrow]

#gameplay-help message Remember this too

[grizzled creek]

I basically have no choice anyway since I gotta complete em to unlock the next ones no?

[remote yarrow]

Like the missions? Yeah they unlock in order

But you get to do PR1 missions twice

Which means more Protocore

[grizzled creek]

I don't need to use coins to level anyone tho ? Besides the ones u named ?

[remote yarrow]

And if you don't know what Protocore is... ask another person 🚪 🏃‍♂️ mom needs help

[undone plover]

U should try and unlock anchor ASAP tbh. U want to start coining as soon as u can. But dont let it hurt your progression. Get to ch12 first

[grizzled creek]

Yea idk

[kind slate]

Is there any way to change the order in which ships are displayed in dock beyond the sorting criteria? Like reordering lvl 125 ships

[grizzled creek]

Getting the points seem difficult tho I'm very far from her

[undone plover]

U can do 2-6 BP per day. It is really cheap and u eventually want one ship per season at dev30 to convert their catchup to protocore

[soft raft]

huh wdym 2-6 dev lvls per day
it's 10 BPs per day

[grizzled creek]

I'm mostly worried about trying to "get" the characters development unlocked as of rn

[undone plover]

I meant if he doesn’t have the gold for 10/day for coining pr1-3 ships that he wont use

Yeah calling it dev levels is wrong my bad. I remember someone in ECTL gave me shit for calling it buying BP when I started

[soft raft]

moment

[grizzled creek]

My brain hurts now ... ima just ask after I finish Roon

Ima need to be walked thru it as I go thru

[kind slate]

It’s just for aesthetic preference but if anyone knows, I wanna know pls

[undone plover]

If u have gold buy 10 bp for her per day. If u dont, buy 2 (it is free) or 6 (very cheap). Hope it is clear

[grizzled creek]

I don't know anything about blueprints rn so that's why I said I'll ask later

I. Just definitely start Roon first it seems so when I get her missions done or close I'll ask

[undone plover]

Yep that is fine

[undone plover]

U can put the ones u want to show up first in fleets 3-6. But not sure if that helps with what u are trying to do

[kind slate]

Oh. Fleets 3-6 come before 1-2? Didn’t know that. Thnx

[undone plover]

No but they will show up before those that are not in a fleet is what I meant

[keen sable]

tl;dr do NOT do catchup for anyone but Anchorage. As long as you follow that it will all be good eventually

[ancient kettle]

Anyone knows how good is the new 113mm British gun?

[keen sable]

do you think the blue single 120 is good?

[ancient kettle]

No?

[keen sable]

then it's not good

[soft raft]

expensive sidegrade to the 76mm

[sinful elk]

Chat is this prototype plane worth crafting

[forest palm]

Single 113 isn't that expensive

[soft raft]

for timing purposes in CV syncing comps

[sinful elk]

Hmm can i use it to replace gold barracuda when fighting bosses

[forest palm]

roughly 7% less damage than I think a D - 4 overall, but the trade off is being faster than the D - 4 or the Ryuusei

it could replace a Cuda in bossing, after circumstances are considered

[sinful elk]

[hidden fox]

alr when applying the wording to the skill is there a bare minimum or has to be full Eagle gear

[cobalt rapids]

1 gear is enough

[hidden fox]

alr

[soft raft]

usually skills like that only need 1 gear to be of the faction

[hidden fox]

I gott he aa gun so thats all I care about

[elfin hollow]

should i replace albion with alsace (id have no fleet carrier if i did)

[hidden fox]

what chapter you on

[soft raft]

what's this fleet being used for?
what's the rest of the fleet looking like?
Is your Alsace MLB?

[elfin hollow]

chap 12 i cant advance rn cuz im not level 85

[elfin hollow]

literally everything

[hidden fox]

ok keep the carrier you need the double fighter setup for chp12 and beyond

[soft raft]

The flying fuck does that mean

[elfin hollow]

gotchu

[soft raft]

That answers none of my questions

[hidden fox]

his fleet is his jack of all trade

[elfin hollow]

dam my bad big bro i use it for literally everything

[soft raft]

Well first things first, "General use" fleets are practically non existent

[keen sable]

sounds like you need to replace multiple ships actually. albion included

[elfin hollow]

real

[sinful elk]

So i just got riche should I invest in her to pair with Alsace

[elfin hollow]

[wraith oyster]

can i make secretary stop switching to the little pale white chick

[cobalt rapids]

select disable special above TB

[soft raft]

Eh
Alsace barely gives a damn about Richy's buff plus double preload might be overkill

[hidden fox]

whats the curret setup, list starting with backline then vangaurd, flagship then sides, and left, middle, and right

[wraith oyster]

thanks now my glorious unzen is permanent

[sinful elk]

I'd to have some overkill to fight the arbiter in opsi though

[hidden fox]

this my main campagin fleet rn but once I get some other characters leveled up I'm doing some changes

[wraith oyster]

so if agir has 280bp, anchorage has 197, who should i be able to d30 first

[soft raft]

/devbp You'll prob end up getting Ancho to D30 first

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[wraith oyster]

should i coin saint louis to fs5 or no

[soft raft]

Eh not a high prio

[cobalt rapids]

only if u got nothing else to coin

[wraith oyster]

have nothing else to coin but also dont wanna spend the coins on her if shes so outdated

[cobalt rapids]

but u should be coining anchorage rn

[wraith oyster]

cant coin anchorage until i unlock her sadly

working on it tho

[silk helm]

can one compare bearn meta vs saratoga

[wraith oyster]

all i know is bearn is pretty good, dont know how well saratoga still holds up today

[sinful elk]

Fighter dmg scale with AVI stat right?

[jade ibex]

whats an estimate for musashi rerun?

[viscid swift]

first half of 2025

[worldly pewter]

is there a rerun between vanguard and musasi ?

[viscid swift]

Roma at least, maybe Brunhilde

[worldly pewter]

last year how did they squeez in shima rerun in october ?

[viscid swift]

that's how

[grizzled creek]

Does Alsace have a priority order for skills to lvl 10

[cobalt rapids]

123

[grizzled creek]

It's gonna take a long time but I assume I wanna get it there

[grizzled creek]

Thx ya

& I assume it's the same for most others ?

[keen sable]

you want all 10's yes

[sharp socket]

its better to have 1 +13 than multiple +11 right

[keen sable]

if you're on 2 slots, you should pick your spots

[sharp socket]

how much of a difference is +13 from +10

[keen sable]

only for weapons

[keen sable]

18% damage

[sharp socket]

in opsi?

[soft raft]

how many gold plates is it to +13 a UR gear again?

[cobalt rapids]

360

[keen sable]

+0-3% total damage

[potent basalt]

Boiz i have a question
How gey the free super rare big ship

[sharp socket]

nono is it +18% in opsi or outside of opsi

[keen sable]

18%

[soft raft]

what
what ship is it in question?

"Super rare big ship" barely narrows it down at all

[viscid swift]

What, context would be helpful

[viscid swift]

18% at least in all content

[grizzled creek]

Btw how do I get parts to craft weapons ?

[sharp socket]

so 18% outside of opsi, and better inside

[soft raft]

gear lab materials? Operation Siren

[potent basalt]

wait me i forget the name xd

[viscid swift]

In the gear lab?Operation Siren

[grizzled creek]

Ah I see, is it even worth trying for

[keen sable]

maybe, maybe not

[ripe bluff]

is Alsace mobber or bosser

[potent basalt]

mogador

[soft raft]

very
Alot of the good gear in this game is from gear lab

[ripe bluff]

looks like a mobber to me idk

[soft raft]

Read pins for details on the vouchers
Also that's a UR not a SR

[sharp socket]

both but more inclined to mob cuz preload

[potent basalt]

i need 29 of golden crystals but i dont know how get more i tried to complete the quests but

[viscid swift]

You get OpSi damage boost in OpSi which stacks with Siren Killer and caps at 20%

[keen sable]

ops bonus is capped at 20%. it may or may not increase it.

[soft raft]

the event points? grind the event maps

[potent basalt]

yea that i do

[soft raft]

then just grind grind grind

[sharp socket]

so its +18% base strength of the gun +3% more in opsi

[potent basalt]

but what is the level SP

[keen sable]

if you've done all the questions then in the event shop you buy more with event points

[viscid swift]

She's in the event shop and you can exchange for her by getting vouchers, sources are in the pins

[soft raft]

it's a bonus stage unlocked after you clear D3 (The hard mode equivalent of B3)

[keen sable]

the level after D3

[viscid swift]

If you're not capped yes

[potent basalt]

D3

right thanks

[sharp socket]

i hope its an multiply formula then

[potent basalt]

wait
oh no i know where is this

its hard that levels very hard

[viscid swift]

OpSi boost also applies to all damage from a ship

[keen sable]

18% * 3% more + 3% more of everything else

[potent basalt]

I need clean this?

[soft raft]

you gotta clear C to unlock D yeah

[potent basalt]

Diablos
This map its hard

[soft raft]

so tough luck
You'll have to just hard grind B maps if possible
try to at least get th 200 voucher copy if you havent

[ripe bluff]

chat is there any reason to use beehive shells except for the memes

[soft raft]

nope

[potent basalt]

only get one time the SR waifu i be happy

[soft raft]

Bearn META?
Or are you still referring to Mogador

[potent basalt]

mogador

[soft raft]

Mogador is a UR not a SR
There's a difference

[sharp socket]

mog is the shiny one

[potent basalt]

a right xd

UR
its a free UR

i only gave 1 ur

[sharp socket]

so i have this gun that is bad, should i scrap it or just keep somewhere

[soft raft]

scrap

[sinful elk]

Is this enough BP for Anchorage

[soft raft]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[sinful elk]

What is fate simulation

[tawny dirge]

dis good? the bottom rainbow plane

[forest palm]

no better than the Wyvern

[soft raft]

not worth the cost

[jaunty vault]

it is good

[copper glacier]

Can someone explain META showdown to me? I can't figure out how to join someone else's battle.

[soft raft]

click "Boss list"

[copper glacier]

Uh-huh. I'm there

[soft raft]

did you not press "Start Battle"?

[copper glacier]

I did, but the only fleet on the screen was my own

[jaunty vault]

do opsi-> collect META coordinates -> analyze them from META showdown (my bosses) and fight

[soft raft]

then did you further confirm to start the fight after you got to that screen?

[copper glacier]

Yeah, that's why my attempts say 2/3

[jaunty vault]

you fight with your own ships, fleet can be changed

[soft raft]

sounds like there's simply just no other people that have active assit requests right now then

[jaunty vault]

[copper glacier]

When I click on damage ranking I see only a single name. Will my attempt not count if I am defeated?

[soft raft]

no it will still count

[copper glacier]

Then should I be listed under damage ranking if I did damage to her?

[soft raft]

Yes

[forest palm]

why is this a confusing mess on explaining how showdown works...

[topaz smelt]

damage doesnt matter, all that matters is she dies

[wet prairie]

What’s the most amount of meta points can you get from doing someone else meta fight

[soft raft]

like 75 I think

[viscid swift]

75

[copper glacier]

Ok. Well, I fought her once and died before she did. I'm not listed under damage ranking, which makes me think I did something wrong and didn't actually participate.

[viscid swift]

You get 2 of your own showdowns a day. You get as many attempts as you like to kill her.

You also get 3 assists a day at chipping on someone else's.

[soft raft]

maybe there were other people on the leaderboard and you didnt do enough damage to be high enough?

Idk either way this should've been very easy to grasp

[forest palm]

it's the end of this season of showdown of course player count is going to be low for showdown

[copper glacier]

Well, it's not, because the only other game I play is FFXIV and when you do group battles like this in that game, the other players appear on the screen with you. So I didn't know if I was doing something wrong because when I went in to the META battle, I didn't see anyone else's fleets. My original question was a perfectly reasonable one.

[vocal sigil]

I need fleets for w13 pls

[worldly pewter]

why compare ff with al

[soft raft]

Fair enough
But yeah now you know how it works

There's just a lack of assit requests right now since by now, a majority of people have already done all the fights they wanted to, and a new one is dropping in a few days from now

[copper glacier]

Both are video games.

[copper glacier]

Thanks

[soft raft]

He's speaking from his persepective/experience as a FF player which is where his confusion was coming from about assits

[worldly pewter]

yeah but comparing a pc mmorpg with a mobile gacha seemed a little bit unfair
at least compare it with something similar

[viscid swift]

Mob: Independence, Unicorn, Essex, Jervis, Emden, Sirius
Boss: Musashi, Shinano, Enterprise, Anchorage, Helena, San Diego

[soft raft]

And for futre reference, do a thread next time you need fleet help, that way it doesnt clog the channel or innterupt the convo with a block of images

[sweet delta]

is that enough aa in mob?

[vocal sigil]

thanks and sorry I’ll remember that next time 🫡

[soft raft]

yeah the lack of AA Carries pictured outside of Sandy is a bit concerning

[viscid swift]

So long as they don't run rocket fighters should be

[wind spindle]

Am i using the Airstrike support in world 15 wrong? The wiki says that it subtracts 10% from non-boss enemy fleets. Does that mean i shouldn't use it on the boss because it doesn't have any affect?

[steady beacon]

Correct

[sweet delta]

it subtracts 0% from boss enemy fleets

[soft raft]

At most I use it on the super carrier node

[sweet delta]

to save time, i don't use it 🧠

[wind spindle]

got it. find a good cluster of fleets to hit multiples on

[shell willow]

guild boss says "daily attempt 1/1", but can i overwrite a worse score with a better one?

[remote yarrow]

No, once you fight it it's done

You need to wait till next day

[shell willow]

alright ty

[blissful hamlet]

scores don't matter in term of the rewards you'll get

[undone plover]

u can quit the guild boss fight before it ends if u wanna try different teams or reset for rng, not that it matters though

[forest palm]

scores do drop the HP bar faster

though I think you can only get a max of 301

[wind spindle]

is there a reason Why fleet stance would change without clicking the button? my boss fleet for w15 switched back to single file(next run after my first clear of 15-2).

[sweet delta]

you changed it in another gamemode

[soft raft]

yee that's the max
Whoops forgot to turn off ping

[dawn crest]

After 15 cubes of commission, I received 1 cube. The chances of getting a cube are nerfed?

[soft raft]

no you just had shit luck

we have zero clue on what the rates are

[wind spindle]

RNG is RNG

[dawn crest]

So my bad luck is too big, to be like this.

[soft raft]

RNG do be RNG

[dawn crest]

I can't complain about the RNG, I won 54 gems with commissions in 1 day.

[wind spindle]

you could hit the UR on the first cube of the first 10 pull or you can go ~200 pulls looking for the 2% rate up Battlesheep (talking from experience)

[dawn crest]

the same here

[uncut oar]

I guess this is fine to stop on right?

Just got my 50k DR prints

[dawn crest]

I got 2 Guam in 10 pulls, and Alsace with 200.

[south sequoia]

Guess so, I'd be more comfy to grab bearns crystals though

[dawn crest]

and soyuz with 10 pulls

[uncut oar]

not intending to do METAs, but fair point, I'll grab them and go to 55k on the way for gold plates

[elfin hollow]

Which gun for Alsace? (Both he and ap)

[tame jungle]

depends on content

safe bets for AP are champagne gun and 457s, while for HE you'll probably want mk7, mk6 or fdg gun

[soft raft]

typical BB options

[dawn crest]

Mobbing 457mm, MK7 for light Armor boss, Champ for heavy and medium armor boss

[soft raft]

Eh FdG gun is just a more expensive IJN Twin 410

[north forge]

aren't the Bearn Meta crystals going to be available in the META shop afterwards?

[soft raft]

yeah but you may as well buy them now while you can

[elfin hollow]

It is.

[viscid swift]

Yes but META fragments are a very limited resource

[dawn crest]

This frags have any good use?

[north forge]

everything else in the META shop is purchasable monthly from OpSi, right? And the crystal fragments are a recurring resource. I'd be more concerned about getting that second copy of Mogador.

[viscid swift]

Yes but that's not to say that will be the case in the near future. With Cruise Pass METAs due to return the most likely spot they'll go is the META shop.

That and I doubt they have issues with UR Bullins

[north forge]

fair point.

I'm a year and a half in and I'm still only just getting by on UR Bulins, but it looks like she's been playing for a couple of years so she's probably in better shape

[dawn crest]

Why buy it, if it can be dropped from the map?

[viscid swift]

RNG can be a cruel mistress

[sweet delta]

farming D3 enough times to get an expected 5 gold ship drops is well past the point of clearing the whole shop

[dawn crest]

I dropped 3 while clearing normal and hard mode.

[soft raft]

🆗

[sweet delta]

congratulations

[dawn crest]

I thought the drop rate was high

[viscid swift]

Well you can consider yourself lucky then

It's probably not

[dawn crest]

i got it

[sweet delta]

event D3 gold ship drop rate is about 1.5% according to "community data collection"

misremembered, 1% for D3

[dawn crest]

wow, I thought it would be around 6%-8%

[north forge]

what is the source for this?

[sweet delta]

data collected by ||chinese bot|| players

[dawn crest]

How accurate is it in relation to reality?

[remote yarrow]

We don't know cuz droprates are unknown

[sweet delta]

99.9% because it's from the game...

[dawn crest]

hmm

[viscid swift]

not that knowing the actual rate changes anything

[plain saffron]

It gives some people more copium

[elfin hollow]

skill issue on alsance (i never pulled guam)

[rapid grail]

90% of people quit before they hit it big

[elfin hollow]

I need to wait another month before I get a wyvern smh

[soft raft]

#al-general is that way

[elfin hollow]

mh question thou how do i get blue prints faster and I dont mean getting them by the event

[soft raft]

the research ship blueprints? by selecting the correct researches

And if you have enough cubes saved (like at least 1k), spamming cube researches

[elfin hollow]

are cube research worth it hou?

[soft raft]

only if you have at least 1k cubes or somewhere near that ballpark

Though if you cant avoid it and the rest of the current selection is complete dogshit, the occasional one is fine here and there

[viscid swift]

well you're paying hundreds of cubes in a few months to cut research time from about 4-5 months to 2-3

[elfin hollow]

most of my Pr4 are under dev30 research expection anchorage

[viscid swift]

that doesn't particularly change anything

I wouldn't reccomend heavily investing in cube researches when you're low on cubes just to shave off a month or 2 per season at the cost of potentially pulling on events

[soft raft]

Especially for upcoming UR events and reruns

[elfin hollow]

what if you already got a the ships in the rerun event or ur events

[soft raft]

Then you continue saving for future events

Shrimple as that

[dawn crest]

next is vanguard in 2-3 months right?

[soft raft]

She is the next UR Rerun in line yes, no date known as of yet
And we also have a SR event to rerun first before her event

[viscid swift]

take your stab at when you think she'll rerun

[dawn crest]

I will skip SR, I have less than 12 cubes at the moment.

In the meantime, it is possible to farm 400 cubes, right?

[elfin hollow]

the german rerun with that bipolar german?

[potent slate]

She any good

[viscid swift]

she's okay, nothing too remarkable though

[soft raft]

She's got good AA
other than that, nothing really noteworthy

[elfin hollow]

discounted dd verison of sandy basically

[dawn crest]

Is a good damage dealer to light armor

[rigid spire]

Do I just save my cubes for rate up banners? It seems the other ones aren't too worth it given the large pool

[vale spindle]

yes that is correct

[viscid swift]

yes, stick to one light build a day when there's no event

[potent slate]

Is she better then Portland or javelin

[viscid swift]

she's not worth investing in if you're still one fleeting

[soft raft]

she doesnt do the same thing as Portland and ig you could say she's better than Jav if you need more AA but overall a low prio investment

[potent slate]

Especially since my Jav is max MlB now or doesn’t matter?

[viscid swift]

MLB everyone you're using

[potent slate]

im working on it where do I get more Elite bulins?'

[vale spindle]

shes basically javelin ish but with more aa, so if you already have a javelin leveled and in use then no point

[potent slate]

I see, I could put her in dorm to level passively and swap them when she is caught up?

[remote yarrow]

Sam just said there's no point on using her if you already got Javelin

[potent slate]

I mean for the future when Jav eventually falls off not to use now

[vale spindle]

in content where jav eventually falls off you won't see a noticable difference by using allen m sumner instead

[potent slate]

ah k then I wont worry about it ty for info

[vale spindle]

npnp

[potent slate]

im used to games where 4stars/elites eventually just fall off or the higher rarity of their role is just signifgantly better besides a few exceptions

also where do I get dorm money to buy fruniture?

[fleet spoke]

I asked like last week what I should limit break. But now I pulled Shinano. And I want to know if I should change it up from Laffey2, Alsace, and Guam. Since I already finished soyuz. I have 12 ur bullins left

[viscid swift]

well that's not exactly untrue of Azur lane

[viscid swift]

are you planning on tackling W15 anytime soon

[remote yarrow]

Well is kinda like that on AL too but with URs, but Javelin can be retrofit to an SR if you care about shiny stuff

[soft raft]

Alsace since she's already close to MLB > Shinano > Guam > Mogador >= Kron

[potent slate]

elites can turn into srs!?!

[viscid swift]

yes, they can

[fleet spoke]

I haven't started that grind yet. I'm a little behind in gear.

[soft raft]

A few of them can via retrofits

[remote yarrow]

Not everyone, only the ones who have a Retrofit Option/Tab

[viscid swift]

Shinano comes right after Alsace then

[potent slate]

ah and how ard is that to do?

[remote yarrow]

Takes a few weeks to do, but you should do Unicorn's asap before Javelin

[soft raft]

only hard part is grinding out the materials for it from Hard mode
Read this for more info https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Dockyard#Retrofit

[keen sable]

actually elites are generally not good. you've been recommended the best of the best which is why it's hard to replace them.

[potent slate]

ah

[remote yarrow]

And before you ask, yes there's also SRs that can be retrofit into URs, San Diego and Warspite, Sandy is really good but expensive and mainly used for her AA,Warspite is a noob bait she's too expensive for an average BB that's worse than some SRs

[viscid swift]

early game fleet building is in large part economics and there's quite a few exceptions to the higher rarity is better trend in order for it not to be a hard and fast rule in AL

[remote yarrow]

Ooh Yuudachi too I forgot about her she's also pretty good but there's cheaper options for DDs

[potent slate]

I do wonder why they limit you only to 3 hard level clears a day

[viscid swift]

who knows

[keen sable]

because it's way better than 6 times a day

[potent slate]

ah cool didnt think of asking this but ty for info anyways

[keen sable]

the game is more than grindy enough. why would you want to be forced to do it even more

[potent slate]

an any 3-X hardmode I can get retrofit mats but its random is what I collected from that link am I right?

[potent slate]

I just wish there was a choice if I wanted to grind a hardmode stage for 2 hours I could

[soft raft]

X-1 for DD
X-2 for CA/CL
X-3 for BB/BC
X-4 for CV/CVL

And then you do the highest world you can because higher world = more core data per run

[potent slate]

and just retrofit someone in a day or 2 and not be wlled by time

[viscid swift]

no that's not what they meant, back in the day you had 6 hard node attempts but retrofit Blueprints were also halved per run comapred to what we have now.

[potent slate]

ah and are the raritys of the core data random?

[potent slate]

oh shit that sounds horrible

[soft raft]

the rarity of the retrofit blueprints is random
Core data is a sepreate drop that's unrelated to retrofits

[plain saffron]

coredata is a currency and it's fixed

[viscid swift]

core data is a currency, and the amounts received are fixed

[potent slate]

coredata being for the Proto shop right?

[soft raft]

no that is Protocore and Specialized core

[potent slate]

which of these does unicorn need?

[soft raft]

well Unicorn is a CVL so X-4

[potent slate]

so I could do say 1-4, or 2-4?

[remote yarrow]

You can get guaranteed Gold BPs from 3* Hard stages too

As side missions

[sweet delta]

1-4 hard doesn't drop gold retro bps

and neither does 2-4. If you can do 3-4 hard or higher then do so

[soft raft]

Hmmm
Considering pushing the rest of 13H, would moving Guam to replace Brest be a good idea or nah

Been noticing that Boss has had problems with backline HP in previous attempts on 13H-3

[viscid swift]

yes

[sweet delta]

Can the mob fleet solo the whole map?

[soft raft]

It clears mobs fine, I havent tested throwing it against the boss

[sweet delta]

Due to S rank time constraints, just swap Guam I guess

[rapid grail]

yeah swap Guam and Brest's positions

[sweet delta]

and Unzen to Anchorage so that you get a faction fleet

[silver lintel]

I did w13h with soyuz hakunano guam sandy unzen

[remote yarrow]

~~But Faction fleet bad ~~

[sweet delta]

The enemy is badder

[signal leaf]

do i need to sortie my shinano with other ijn ships or nah

[sweet delta]

Depends on which other ijn ships are and what the enemy is

[silver lintel]

Does wishing well return in en anni, im still missing aquila

[elfin hollow]

depends on the IJN ships

[sweet delta]

It's a significant boost but you wouldn't want to put bad ijn ships

[viscid swift]

yes, for EN

[rapid grail]

w14 has burns from enemies, right?

[soft raft]

Yes but dunno if Aquila will be added to perma in time to qualify for it