gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

unknown but I'm currently at 355 vouchers earned without exchange

[eager mulch]

mog voucher

[worldly pewter]

in the jp ingame patch notes there wasn't any mention to the SP cap but i think even the daily missions are still giving vouchers
although i missed the first day's one i think
360 here

[heady pier]

i have limited golden crystal since i started out late should i get this gear?

[silk helm]

what have you bought so far? and how many money u got left bro

[hollow gust]

Always buy limited gear

[jaunty vault]

not always

[heady pier]

i only bought this and i have about 2.5k rn ill probably try to get 5k more because of 30k bullin reward

[worldly pewter]

were there occasions when event gear was bad ?

[keen sable]

wait and see

[remote yarrow]

Wait you get Vouchers from SP? I haven't done it in like 5 days cuz I was already done farming

[hollow gust]

?

[eager abyss]

should i use hindenburg or anchorage

[jaunty vault]

the gear may not be worth buying over other stuff given limited resources

[jaunty vault]

they do different things

[eager abyss]

but theyre both CA?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[hollow gust]

one is a glass cannon, the other is a tank monster

[eager abyss]

i take the tank monster

[eager abyss]

good explanation

[jaunty vault]

hindenburg is not a glass canon lol

she also does way more damage

[hollow gust]

???

[jaunty vault]

shes also more expensive

[hollow gust]

compared to ships like acnhor or even drake ; unzen andd hinden are glass cannons

[eager mulch]

Portland is glass?

[eager abyss]

still taking the tank monster

[keen sable]

how many people don't know what anchorage or hindenburg do but have both maxed

[jaunty vault]

what if i told you she's not a monster

[silk helm]

i dont even know what they look like

[eager abyss]

i dont have either so im just asking for opinions on which one i should waste my time on

[keen sable]

anchorage and focus 4

[eager abyss]

ok

[jaunty vault]

definitely get Anchorage first

[keen sable]

you can catchup anchorage now if you want

[viscid swift]

might wanna give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[eager abyss]

ok thabks

[elfin hollow]

Is there a way to know barrages?

[remote yarrow]

Idk if this helps but here you go https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Barrage

[willow pier]

need help building Opsi fleet and possible fleet for W14

[vale spindle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/tools theres a barrage datamine somewhere here

[modern cloud]

Any of the Event ships worth trying to build for?

AKA should I use cubes? I'm not meta chasing but looking for decent ships.

[remote yarrow]

Well, decent ships tend to be kinda meta

And we are on an UR banner so try to pull for her

[steep peak]

Guys who's next? I have 44k spec core

[modern cloud]

Got my old account back so I'm lost but no UR's yet sooo. 😄 Thanks

[remote yarrow]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read as a reminder then

You can ask whatever question you got in here

[rain vine]

laffey and unzen

[remote yarrow]

Also use those 2 Krons for Limit Break while you are at it

[steep peak]

Alright 👌

[remote yarrow]

No reason to keep dupes

[modern cloud]

Thanks, been readin through that before. I wish the tier list would search all categories by name cause I'm still trying to remember them. LOL

[remote yarrow]

wdym by Categories? There's Hull types if that's what you mean

[modern cloud]

From years ago looks like I was collecting one of everything. That still a thing to do and level and LB them or just retire blue/greys/some purps instead?

Yep, that's what I meant.

[remote yarrow]

Well, the tierlist is divided by Hull types

[remote yarrow]

And as long as you have dock space go ahead, it's fleet tech

[keen sable]

you can if you're miserly collect everything as f2p but much enjoyable to just fork over money for dock space

[carmine flame]

in my archives when i list by unobtained it shows nothing (not including collab ships), why is collection still 742/743 99.9%?

[remote yarrow]

May be a retrofit you haven't done

[glass quest]

Is the XTB2D-1 Skypirate or the Prototype VIT-2 (VK-107) better for Shinano‘s 3rd Slot?

…if I don‘t have the ressources for the rainbow TB

[carmine flame]

omg yea thats it, thanks

[keen sable]

just use barracuda or ryuusei then

[grizzled creek]

Is the SP boss fight of the event Double Line as well? Just barely managed to make it

Or do I use a different lineup type

[gloomy mesa]

Just pulled San Diego. Should I invest in her?

[rain vine]

no

[soft raft]

not right now

[gloomy mesa]

Okay

[sinful elk]

Is Illustrious usable in W13

[strong tartan]

yes she's fine

[inland shoal]

I don't think it has many planes which would make circle good, so double line is probably best. Otherwise single line could be good, but then your vg suffers more

[grizzled creek]

It's such a hard fight that's y lol, I keep having to quit out

I do wanna beat this fight at least once tho cause maybe id manage the 2nd mogador

[inland shoal]

Just get more lvls or manual better
If it's your vg dying most likely double line is already the best though

[grizzled creek]

Yea idk how to properly manual , hard to kno what to do when it attacks the whole map

So constantly taking damage

[inland shoal]

Yeah just dodge the stuff that deals lotsa damage and otherwise try to make sure that only one of your ships is hit at least
Well that's how far my admittedly limited manual experience goes anyway

[grizzled creek]

Hm I'll keep trying

[pearl mulch]

What’s a good Shinano+Hakuryuu team for OpSi?

[loud rover]

that'd be a 3cv team wouldnt it?

[stark quiver]

nano haku implac, sirius, kaza and prolly tank

[inland shoal]

Nano Haku Impla - Tank - Kaza - Sirius or whatever

[loud rover]

ah crap i just realized i gotta rework my opsi fleets once guam, shinano and haku are up and running

[pearl mulch]

alr thanks guys

[loud rover]

Heinrich or Graf from the invitation? (Already have the rest) I’m tempted to pick graf since I need to research Hindenburg one day and damage reduction would be helpful

[wispy pendant]

graf is a carrier

[soft raft]

damage reduction means nothing in content you'd be grinding research XP
Would rather get Heinrich who can actually contribtue XP for Hindenburg

[keen sable]

that makes no sense because you would just use unicorn or whatever healer still had xp left

[inland shoal]

Also Graf has AA tech while Hein has FP tech iirc

[wispy pendant]

heinrich also fp fleet tech for hindenburg

[keen sable]

now if you said ruppy easier...

[loud rover]

the initial thought was since zep gives dmg reduction to IB ships, run my Z vanguard, but if heinrich gives FP tech to hinden then i'd rather make hinden stronger

[wispy pendant]

my z vanguard at lvl 100 easily cleared w12 mobs when I was grinding IB vanguard exp

I don't think graf has any real niche anymore, as there are just stronger IB ships to bring even in a IB faction fleet

[bold salmon]

what blueprint need to make new jersey gun ?

[wispy pendant]

soon

[loud rover]

i'm glad i returned to the game at the right time. i can finally have a mk7

[wispy pendant]

you missed the other two times?

[loud rover]

i wasnt playing AL when nj had her events. i started playing in august 23

then i stopped playing after guam event and i came back 4 days ago

[wispy pendant]

ah dang, missed NJ rerun by like 2 months

[loud rover]

ik, missed zwei too

[wispy pendant]

and soyuz and UvH?

did you at least get Alsace?

[loud rover]

oh wait, it was after the UvH event i stopped playing

i thought uvh was before guam

[vale spindle]

yes but uvh had a rerun

[wispy pendant]

ah man, you're missing several of the UR staples

[loud rover]

yeah i was playing during UvH rerun

[wispy pendant]

UvH's rerun was right after guam

[loud rover]

pretty much any new UR is staple since it always has to one up previous

alsace>nj now

[wispy pendant]

Shinana hasn't been dethroned on the CV side of things

[viscid swift]

well before that it was Bismarck Zwei > NJ then Soyuz > NJ etc

she's over 3 years old at this point

[loud rover]

how many URs did i miss between now and uvh rerun? i have alsace and mog

[viscid swift]

you missed Soyuz

and Kronshtadt's rerun

[wispy pendant]

NJ still has best base skin, swimsuit, oath skin, and she isn't much worse than any of the other UR BBs, still great at AA and can equip the manju

[loud rover]

noooo i missed the kron gun

i really wanted that

[uneven badger]

if an aircraft has 100 rld which means how long the airstrike will be loaded

[viscid swift]

you mean if a CV has 100 reload?

it depends in what aircraft they're using and the number of aircraft in each slot

[uneven badger]

does it reduce the fr of the airplanes

[frank kernel]

the answer is complicated enough that there is a tool to calculate your airstrike timings

[viscid swift]

not exactly, airstrike cooldown is a weighted average of the cooldown of all the aircraft

[uneven badger]

alr

[uneven badger]

so guam's main gun have very slow fire rate

[viscid swift]

compared to what?

[uneven badger]

to the other vanguard

[viscid swift]

yes, relatively slow to reload

[uneven badger]

wait all ca have slow fr

[frank kernel]

rate of fire is correlated with caliber of the gun. bigger gun = shoot slower.

[viscid swift]

yes, larger shells do tend to take longer to reload

it's not that simple

[wispy pendant]

CB is bigger than CA.
Guam gun is fastest rld of the CB guns.

[viscid swift]

nor that consistent

[frank kernel]

it's a safe and easy explanation for someone who is at the stage of wondering why CBs fire slower than DDs

[uneven badger]

i see

[viscid swift]

that's one obvious example

[frank kernel]

yes we can get into barrel count etc once the basics are established

[viscid swift]

barrel count is apart of the basics though

[frank kernel]

bigger gun has more barrels

[viscid swift]

my dude, look above

[frank kernel]

when you're at a similar caliber, more barrels correlates to bigger gun which correlates to higher reload because you are loading more ammunition. though you are correct, perhaps "bigger gun" was putting it too simply.

[viscid swift]

It's all dependent IRL anyway on shell weight and the number of barrels.

[frank kernel]

gun caliber/barrel count work in tandem to give a general idea of reload time. the higher the caliber and the more barrels, the longer it takes to reload. generally. there are outliers, prototypes, fantasy headcannon (lol get it) weapons, etc.

[viscid swift]

A larger caliber shell tends to be heavier and thus longer to reload, but loading 2 heavy shells isn't necessarily gonna take longer than 4 lighter but still heavy shells.
A bit if a useless tangent though given that there are many other factors involved and ultimately useless because the devs at the end of the day pick how fast a gun relaods.

[frank kernel]

yarp. IRL you'd just have individual loaders for each barrel whenever possible.

[sharp socket]

if all the guns can be dps calced is there a sheet somewhere that ranks all of them based on damage type vs armor type

[frank kernel]

yes! but no. but yes.

[viscid swift]

no because there's more to determining effectiveness than raw DPS

[uneven badger]

if yall picking a ship to fight, do you look into the stats or skill or weapon slots

[viscid swift]

you have to consider pattern, spread, shell characteristics(AoE, ammo type, etc), volley time, etc

not to mention DPS is a useless metric for BB guns
because a 0.1 second faster reload will often do nothing to get more damage assuming all other characteristics are the same in contrast what the DPS numbers say

[sharp socket]

do u calc in alpha strike then

[frank kernel]

the mechanics of the game are heavily obfuscated, and mastery of the mechanics has only been possible via dataminers and very smart math people who have mapped out all the calculations so we can watch our waifus shoot our other waifus.

[uneven badger]

duh

[viscid swift]

everything is considered

[sharp socket]

the problem is that theres way too many things to consider thus brain gets fried

[frank kernel]

that said, there are often WILD discrepancies between different tier lists, so they should only be used as a general guideline.

[viscid swift]

for BB guns you'd look at how many salvos you can get off in the fight then factor for things like syncing to Helena's radar scan

[frank kernel]

very few things are set in stone, like: beehive ammo sucks.

[sharp socket]

so thats why ask smart people like samheart564 or his sheets if its applicable

[frank kernel]

yes, sam is an incredible resource

you can use the English Community Tier List as a very broad guide to "which bote is worth investing in" and that will take you 90% of the way through the game

[sharp socket]

is that what ectl stands for

[uneven badger]

theres... too much

[viscid swift]

it's all stuff you'll learn in time

[frank kernel]

I would say don't really worry about the minutiae until you hit a wall. then you can start to dig deeper. just play the game.

use sam's lists and ECTL as guides to point you in the right direction and start shooting things

[viscid swift]

if you want to learn sometimes it's just best to watch us bicker,~~ or not~~

[sharp socket]

so anyway if i understand game words right
normal ammo = neutral every armor
HE = best against light, bad against medium/heavy
SAP = meh at light, good against medium/heavy
AP = best against heavy, good against medium and bad against light

[viscid swift]

no

[frank kernel]

sadly no.

[sharp socket]

shit

[viscid swift]

that's applicable fine to main fleet guns

vanguard guns through most of that out the window

[forest palm]

SAP is tailored specifically for Medium Armor

[frank kernel]

it's a pretty good generalization, but even within ammo types there will be different damage modifiers. make sure you click on the ammo type dropdown in game and it will show you the damage modifiers vs light-medium-heavy in that order

[sharp socket]

u guys dont happen to have a damage type vs armor chart lying around right

[forest palm]

then again there's like only 1(?) SAP Gun in the game that's even usable

twin 138 is probably better than that now too

[viscid swift]

the wiki has DPS charts but DPS charts are of rather questionable value as I said

[frank kernel]

the main effect of the ammo types is that they have specific general effects. HE = sets burns. AP = pierces one enemy to hit another.

[uneven badger]

did you all use destroyers late game

[frank kernel]

GENERALLY, HE is better against light and AP is better against heavy, but always check the damage modifier by clicking on the down arrow.

[forest palm]

ocassionally, mainly for world 14, and world 15

[viscid swift]

we use good ships for the content we're tackling late game

[sharp socket]

w14 has subs thats why dd used

[viscid swift]

the issue is ammo alone doesn't even come close to telling the full story of what armor type a gun is good against

[plain saffron]

bb gun would be more accurate than generally
Since it only for bb

[viscid swift]

especially when we're talking about vanguard guns

[plain saffron]

Vanguard gun throws all the rules out the window

[frank kernel]

that's probably more accurate, ye. vanguard guns do whatever the hell they want.

[sharp socket]

vanguard guns i can just go by dps value right

[frank kernel]

but before we had Plymouth/Unzen/Hindenburg/etc, vanguards did pretty much nothing but survive

[stark quiver]

[viscid swift]

no because dps assumes everything hits
and guns with bad patterns can pretty much never hope to achieve that

[stark quiver]

subs and clearing dont exist anymore apparently

[viscid swift]

there's other factors like I said, Volley Time is one
the time minimum time needed between guns firing on cooldown which the wiki's dps charts do not account for

[sharp socket]

it hits more than it doesnt hit 90% of the time

[frank kernel]

before w14 subs were non-issues because you could just clear the stages before they reached the backline

[sharp socket]

only all out assault or derpy ai makes it not hit

[frank kernel]

and they were heavily concentrated in events and SOS missions that were so useless they werew removed from the game

[viscid swift]

for ffs, go to the bottom and look at the pattern of this gun
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_155mm_(3rd_Year_Type)

then tell me how on earth that is meant to hit a majority of it's shells against anything but a large group of enemies clustered together

you cannot ignore patterns of vanguard guns when analyzing practical damage output

this is why this gun is relegated to a being a BB aux gun and is actually quite decent at it

[wind spindle]

How important are Meowciffers for w15?

[viscid swift]

there's even more factors when we really delve into it, like the additional stats guns give
on vanguards the FP difference actually makes not insignificant differences in damage output
part of the reason why the Moagdor gun is so good is because it gives 55 FP

[silk sphinx]

tldr: the more suboptimal stuff the harder it is.

[sweet delta]

155 literally does hit the majority of its shells

[silk sphinx]

you can do it with no cats, but good cats can make quite a difference

[wind spindle]

So i should be looking for things to boost AVI and AA?

[frank kernel]

to be fair, vanguard dps was historically mostly only relevant against trash mobs which are usually clustered together. the paradigm has changed as more difficult content has been released, along with vanguard ships that can outdps the actual ship named Vanguard

[sweet delta]

Flame and/or mountain

[viscid swift]

not really, even back in the day this gun was the better option on everything except like Belfast because her skill because it did better in the soft factors, and still is https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_150mm_(TbtsK_C/36)#Type_3-0

[silk sphinx]

for w15 where survival is in question mountain is good. Generally for cats, you can check Riceist's guide to see which talents are particularly desirable (ex: flame, ace, destiny, wolf), but other than that good"ish" cats are those without "bad"/"wrong hull" talents

usually people just optimize cats for damage

[frank kernel]

eh, I kind of disagree there. a non-spreading gun was (and still kind of is) a hard binary. either completely effective or completely useless if your auto-pilot sends your ships into the side of the map and chills there with no mobs in front of them.

[viscid swift]

what

[frank kernel]

nimi's AOA is a really good example. it's either great, or it does nothing because she was in the wrong spot when it activated and all the shells flew straight across the map past everything.

[viscid swift]

you know that a, vanguard guns need to be locked onto something in order to fire and b the firing angles of vanguard guns right

[frank kernel]

right but every ship is going to lock onto the same mob and once it's dead every other shot is going to whiff. see: BB preloads ALWAYS going for the top spawn in the first mob wave, which is where the vanguard always scooby-doo-rushes into and launches all of their preloaded torps.

[round sparrow]

I just got brennus, does she replace portland

[soft raft]

Eh, kinda

[tall dawn]

Are there any good shipgirl guide/tier lists you would recommend?

[viscid swift]

not really, if a vanguard doesn't have the angles to hit one target and another target is in range they lock on and fire at that instead and BBs literally have priority targeting for their first volley of the salvo

[soft raft]

the only good one that's updated on a semi-regular basis is the English community Tierlist but it only works for campaign up to W13

[tall dawn]

Ok, I’m on ch.3 so that should work. What website is it

[soft raft]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

Also give this a read when you can
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[frank kernel]

multiple BB preloads will always aim for the same mob and the second ship to fire will always whiff because it chose the target while it was still alive, even though the salvo from the first ship was in the air

[viscid swift]

yes, that's how it works

[frank kernel]

it's also the same general direction that the vanguard zooms into when the map starts, so you're likely to whiff both of them if your vanguard is strong enough to delete it before any shells land.

[sweet delta]

Why does that matter?

[frank kernel]

oh I forgot preload BBs got another mgm if their first shot misses

(sarcasm of course). we're talking about firing angles and priority targeting so it's relevant.

[tall dawn]

Where do I find this tier list?

[sweet delta]

What are you even trying to claim in the big picture. That 155 is much better than purple twin 150?

[soft raft]

#gameplay-help message

[frank kernel]

no. just that a vanguard gun with a spread doesn't automatically make it inferior due to wonky targeting rules.

went off on a tangent with BBs

[potent slate]

where is this shop I cant find it

[fluid brook]

Shop > Monthly > Protocore

[tall dawn]

That is this channel… is there no website?

[frank kernel]

it's in the sticky. here: https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[keen sable]

Shop > Supply > Monthly > Proto

[wind spindle]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home (oops was beaten to it)

[frank kernel]

please note you must scroll down to see any relevant content.

[soft raft]

That was a message link to a message that had the afformentioned site

[keen sable]

#bot-spam /tierlist

[potent slate]

is Hood good?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[frank kernel]

Yes, and with her augment.

[soft raft]

Yes, esp with her augment

[frank kernel]

The augment turns her barrage into a 100% proc when you +10 it so make that a priority if you decide to use her.

[lean nova]

accidentally did a 10 pull on event banner instead of wishing well and got a 2nd alsace, what do I do with her

[viscid swift]

Limit break the first with it

[frank kernel]

If the first is already MLB then either scrap or do literally nothing and maybe later she gets a second skin you like and you can use both on secretary rotation.

[blissful hamlet]

does skin from cruise pass will ever get rerun or perma?

[frank kernel]

Not yet.

[potent slate]

What Elite do I choose from the shop

[keen sable]

unicorn helena

[potent slate]

Also will I have enough time to get the event ur character

[viscid swift]

Maybe, maybe not

[keen sable]

you mean the grinding one? hmm if you grind

[potent slate]

The one in the event section of Build

[fluid brook]

Got 52k event coins, alr bought the oil, Mogador, gun and torp (with that order) got 115 Ur voucher can i switch to 12-4? while buying all important stuff in shop

[frank kernel]

You have another week. Do you have (or can you get) 400 cubes and 300,000 coins? If so, then yes. If not, then consult the 🔮 .

[viscid swift]

Depends on your cube and coin stocks plus rng

[keen sable]

well i suppose playing on 6 servers simultaneously should also be considered grinding

[potent slate]

Welp I just started last night currently account level 29

[viscid swift]

Probably not then unless RNG favors you

[frank kernel]

The newbie rewards are substantial but they kind of trickle in. Except oil. You will always have too much oil. Until one day suddenly you will never have enough oil.

[elfin hollow]

2 hindy guns or hindy+drake guns for Hindy?

[viscid swift]

You could go either way

Just pick whichever you prefer if you're not specializing

[sweet delta]

I pick specialization

[fiery pelican]

Who to MLB next?

[potent slate]

This is my current roster

[keen sable]

@potent slate

[potent slate]

I got her

This is the fleet I’ve been using

[frank kernel]

Retrofit Unicorn and she will carry your mob fleet for most of the game.

[potent slate]

Who do I replace also how do I get her levels up to par with the rest

[viscid swift]

Read the newbie tips and use Hood, Unicorn Little FDG, Portland, Javelin, Helena
For your fleet

[viscid swift]

Shinano

[fiery pelican]

ok

[soft raft]

Shinano > laffey II > Mogador = Kron
And Haku doesnt count because research ships dont use bullins

[potent slate]

I did a while ago but it’s just info overload

[keen sable]

xp packs and if that's not enough then you have no choice but to drop down to an easier level

[forest palm]

I'd rather use Kron over mog

[fiery pelican]

Once I get to lvl 100 on battle pass, I can MLB her

[frank kernel]

Kron at least never says anything except when she's dying.

[viscid swift]

It's actually quite slimmed down and straight forward if anything....

[fiery pelican]

Is this good build?

[viscid swift]

It works

As per usual though change it depending on the content

[fiery pelican]

I never do that because click and auto xD

[worldly pewter]

someone did the skill leveling in the backward direction

[frank kernel]

May I offer you a red skill book in these trying times?

[fiery pelican]

I have redbooks but I prefer using rainbow ones first

[worldly pewter]

[void turret]

is it just me or is saint louis an insane coinsink?

[soft raft]

research ships do be like that

[frank kernel]

It takes so abysmally long to fully level a ship with 3 skills that I don't necessarily disagree with that in theory. In practice, you'd be able to use her in more difficult content with her more relevant skills leveled first.

[viscid swift]

Coining is expense yes

[worldly pewter]

i think just u

[fiery pelican]

Where should I put my tenrai?

[viscid swift]

But then again research as a whole is just one giant coin sink

[viscid swift]

Enterprise

[frank kernel]

It's only recommended to buy 10 prints per day, if that is what you are referring to.

Past 10 the cost goes up dramatically.

[fiery pelican]

AVP is good?

[worldly pewter]

yeah the cost for UR compared to the SR is way more
so saying that st louis is expensive is kinda might be a premature research advance

[keen sable]

I would gladly pay 153k for 1715 protocore

[viscid swift]

Yes

[frank kernel]

If you're talking about the final step of the building process, then.... I have bad news.

[worldly pewter]

which final step ?

[fiery pelican]

gold steam catapult cant be farmed?

[viscid swift]

It can be, but just open tech boxes for them

[frank kernel]

If you're already coining her then you've already paid the 20k or w/e they want to finish her.

[void turret]

ok

[viscid swift]

Farming for them is just not worth it

[night pumice]

so in this chart, it recommends buying the PR/DR6 prints if possible. given that the event ends in 7 days and I'm still using the starter fleet (granted, they're at 120), should I aim for buying the DR6 pritns or the normal PR ones?

[viscid swift]

Well what have you bought already

[keen sable]

you shouldn't be using 120 capped ships for farming

[night pumice]

bearn meta crystals, the mog guns and torp, and arrays

[crisp estuary]

[soft raft]

you havent even bought Mog herself yet?

[viscid swift]

If you can't get the mogador dupe then get the Augment cores and then sure the DR Prints

[night pumice]

I have her but I didn't blow event currency on her

[crisp estuary]

Good man

[night pumice]

is the mog dupe something I should be aiming for?

[viscid swift]

It takes priority over most other items of you can get it

[night pumice]

ah okay

[eternal moth]

It depends on how many URs you already have. If you need a lot of the rerun ships, I'd go for it

[frank kernel]

I think you can get enough of her tokens just from doing all the daily quests for both copies. Or if not, you can come dangerously close.

[eternal moth]

Any UR bulins you can save if you need a bunch of them is going to help

[viscid swift]

You cannot

Even with no caps it was only like 450 vouchers max

[frank kernel]

That was for a 2wk event

[viscid swift]

That was for a 23 day event

[frank kernel]

I currently have mog + 150 vouchers without buying any

[worldly pewter]

if u want to mlb her yes
if u want to wait until her rerun to mlb then don't worry u aren't in a massive rush

[viscid swift]

I know I did the calcs

[crisp estuary]

[keen sable]

dunno what to say. if you can't come up with 7500 event points after 450 mouchers you don't really seem to care about mouchers

[frank kernel]

How many can you get from the daily missions? I've already done them today so I can't see which ones reset and how much they give.

[viscid swift]

Allegedly 75

[weary gust]

I think daily mission only gives 5 per day.

[viscid swift]

But the math is as follows

105 from the mini game
50 from using the event ships
50 from clearing SP
22×5 for daily SP
And 23×5 for daily missions

Assuming there are no caps

430 max

[frank kernel]

sometimes you get two "random missions" for the daily

[soft raft]

*one not two

[viscid swift]

It's just one

[frank kernel]

unless that only lasted a certain period of time

[viscid swift]

And that's what I mean by daily missions

[deep storm]

Taihou-chan doesn't have a skin right? I see a blank space in her profile, but that's just a bug ?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[frank kernel]

I swear I have had it give me two "random missions" previously. But I am brain damaged, so.

[viscid swift]

That's just how the UI is designed

[fiery pelican]

Which one is better?

[viscid swift]

For what?

[fiery pelican]

For casual play

[frank kernel]

wiki says:
Complete a specific Daily Event Mission for 5 and a total of 70 for the event. The missions are random and can be found at Missions > Event.

But that implies a 14 day event?

[viscid swift]

Casual play on what ship

[soft raft]

but like on what ship

[viscid swift]

That implies there was a cap on the number of vouchers you can earn from dailies

[keen sable]

it's pretty clear wiki/jp is/was wrong

[deep storm]

No other ship but Taihou has a blank skins button though

[fiery pelican]

I just crafted them according to gear lab guide

[viscid swift]

Neither then, use a regular 155

[soft raft]

NJ's the only one who cant use 155 there but she wouldnt really have high prio for that DD gun

[fiery pelican]

Wtf I upgraded all 155 xD

[sleek spade]

how long is today's maintenance?

[viscid swift]

Probably a bug then

[plain saffron]

then use upgraded one or get more 155

[viscid swift]

Yeah that's why you don't craft stuff at random

[stark quiver]

is there a big update tomorrow

[soft raft]

Prob 6 since there's nothing major being added

[plain saffron]

usually if it have skin tab and no skins, it's because the base skin have "hide background" options

[fiery pelican]

I have no game knowledge, I saw red square I craft them

[silver lintel]

me with 5 +10 nepgun

[sleek spade]

small one

[vale spindle]

#game-news

[vale spindle]

#game-news

[sleek spade]

nice ty

[plain saffron]

how long is today's maintenance?

[frank kernel]

Forever. It's EOS.

[vale spindle]

#game-news

[fiery pelican]

Which gun is the best for them?

[viscid swift]

Go troll in #al-general

[vale spindle]

Go troll in #al-general

[deep storm]

Didn't know that. But still weird this is there on Taihou-chan

[vale spindle]

maybe its just default on all new ships now

[fiery pelican]

I have no idea, I usually use ectl to gear my ships

[vale spindle]

ectl is a good start

[stark quiver]

is the AA gun in new update UR

[soft raft]

there is no UR gear in this update execpt for NJ gun

we already got UR AA Months ago

[stark quiver]

do i only need 1 copy of nj gun, or want to get 2, cuz im trying to get UR aa as well

[worldly pewter]

@vale spindle what is going on with the voucher cap
are we getting trolled ?

[viscid swift]

Well the 155 Kai is one of the best aux guns for W14 for intercepting suicide boats

It's worse than the regular 155 at it in all other content though

[vale spindle]

yes yes we are

[fiery pelican]

Hmm ok

[viscid swift]

So unless you were planning to tackle W14 or needed more good CL maim guns you could have just left them

[worldly pewter]

unexpectedly in a good way at least

[plain saffron]

because she can hide bg. prob all newer ship come with this now

[fiery pelican]

So this is the best usually for them?

[viscid swift]

No and it's not worth crafting

[fiery pelican]

Ok..

[frank kernel]

Yes, you are being given conflicting information from different sources. It's confusing.

[wind spindle]

is there a recommended fleet stance for w15? I generally just leave it on single line.

[viscid swift]

Double line or circular

Pretty much never single line

[soft raft]

Yeesh single line
I sure love having less EVA in content where I generally would like to have EVA

[fiery pelican]

This bad on Zwei?

[frank kernel]

Single Line is for farming content you vastly outlevel/outgear

[soft raft]

It's bad in general

[viscid swift]

It's bad on everyone

[plain saffron]

Bad on everyone

[stark quiver]

single line torp meme

[plain saffron]

Single line if not dying

[wind spindle]

Thats the main reason i've left it on single line. I have just gotten my first clear on 15-1 on manual on single line.

its been so long since i've done a mission manual that i forgot that button existed.

[deep storm]

Not all newer ships (Shinano-chan lacks this; mini-FdG has it despite not looking like there's anything different). Surprised that Taihou-chan's planes are separate from her character art.

[fiery pelican]

why do i have this on +10 xD

[viscid swift]

Ask your past self

[frank kernel]

It's okay, everyone has had completely maxed utter garbage in their depot at some point or another. Just move on. Scrap it, or keep it as a memento of "back when I didn't know anything".

[plain saffron]

prob up to artist

[stark quiver]

what UR gear could the UR tech boxes drop

from every faction

[frank kernel]

none. here's your gold repair crane.

[stark quiver]

bruh

[frank kernel]

gold boxes have a chance at golds with a guaranteed purple. rainbow boxes have a guaranteed gold. usually a repair crane.

[plain saffron]

none unless they change the drop rate

because it have 0% chance of UR gear

[wind spindle]

Cluster round main gun (Twin 410 type 3 shell)

[frank kernel]

twin 381 mk2 here.

[keen sable]

that was intentional. it's great at killing planes and proccing dork pr farms

[grizzled creek]

Can Alsace replace hood for rn ? Just got her 6 star

[soft raft]

sure if her lvls are high enough
Or alternatively you can use Alsace in your boss fleet oncce you start working on that

[viscid swift]

If she's decently leveled sure

[grizzled creek]

Ok, she is ... & I haven't decided on that yet , the 2nd fleet thing lol

Only a little

[keen sable]

she's not going to turn out to be 1LB is she?

[frank kernel]

He did say 6-star so I assume he meant they were full.

[keen sable]

looks like they need a second fleet badly. that's some ragged morale

[potent slate]

how do I use exp books on characters

[grizzled creek]

She's maxed lb

[keen sable]

tap the xp bar

[frank kernel]

If you're still farming the event stages then perhaps consider breaking that fleet into 2 and carrying some other low level ships that will eventually go in the second fleet. The event stages are trivial at that level.

[grizzled creek]

Yea, I'm just not sure "what else" to fully work on next ship wise ... it was a thing tryna be figured out here the other day

[potent slate]

hows this fleet

[keen sable]

where be unicorn

[soft raft]

Where did Unicorn, Portland, and Helena go

[potent slate]

who do I replace?

[viscid swift]

Use the fleet I reccomend earlier...

[potent slate]

I dont think I have Helena

[viscid swift]

Get her from the guild shop

[keen sable]

Guild Shop but uhh get Portland first?

[potent slate]

Already have portland

[keen sable]

tl;dr tap refresh

long story if you see gold retro bp might want to buy it

[potent slate]

I dont see her is she a rare of elite

[keen sable]

elite

[potent slate]

this? also out of books whats a good stage to grind for exp

[viscid swift]

Little FDG instead of Warspite

Also your starter instead of Chapayev

[keen sable]

i know we're going all in on Hood but whoo is Helena for Chappy going to be painful initially

[potent slate]

who is Little FDG dont think I have them

[keen sable]

the sad overworked smol girl

[potent slate]

also isnt Chappy better then my starter as she is a sr?

[frank kernel]

Little Fredrich

Her full name is Freidrich der Grosse

[potent slate]

ah I see also what does NPC on a character mean?

[viscid swift]

One don't assume higher rarity automatically means better for anything in AL

Two, better doesn't mean worth using/good investment especially early game

[frank kernel]

She will not stay with you unless you finish her missions. Once you finish her missions she joins permanently.

[potent slate]

I see

[keen sable]

it means it will be harder to grind with her

[potent slate]

what are her missions?

[frank kernel]

Event tab, "Today's conducting lessons" or something similar

[keen sable]

play the game. a lot

[night pumice]

do we know if mini fdg is good or anything

[viscid swift]

She's not terrible and better than Pennsylvania at least

[frank kernel]

but is she better than t2 warspite orz

[potent slate]

also I gheard to stay and grind 3-4 for kaga and akagi

[soft raft]

Dont

[viscid swift]

Absolutely fucking not

[frank kernel]

No. Close the youtubes.

[potent slate]

not from youtuber a friend I met on discord

[soft raft]

Then your freind is completely wrong

[potent slate]

who has done everthing in ther game

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

Do sit down and read that

[soft raft]

Akagi and Kaga have not been relevant for years

[potent slate]

oof

[viscid swift]

Playing for a long time does not mean you are good at the game or give good advice about it

[frank kernel]

If they're a very old player then it's possible they're just giving dated information.

[viscid swift]

Just look at youtubers

[potent slate]

well to someone who has only played for a few hours then how was I suppose to know what is relevent and what isnt thankfully yall caught that before I waste reasources

[novel condor]

[viscid swift]

You're not, I was merely pointing it out

[potent slate]

wasnt trying to be rude

[loud rover]

u dont gotta call them out they're already irrelevant enough

[potent slate]

also can I buy exp books?'

[keen sable]

for money? yes

[potent slate]

I mean in game currency

[mint flint]

you cant buy them you can only grind for them

[potent slate]

then how am I supposed to bring new units up

[mint flint]

grinding maps

[potent slate]

where do I grind for them

[viscid swift]

Dorm, using them in maps

[novel condor]

You grind em in levels or put em in dorms

[potent slate]

I only have access up to 2-4 whats a good level to grind on

[mint flint]

you unlock the ablity to grind them at level 50 so dont worry about it for now

[viscid swift]

Well try and see if they survive 2-4

[frank kernel]

Because this game is god awful at explaining mechanics internally, it can be very difficult--if not impossible--to figure some things out naturally. And you will encounter many conflicting sources of information. This discord has theorycrafters in it and is generally one of the better sources of game advice.

[viscid swift]

If not go down to 2-3, repeat until you find a map where they don die

[keen sable]

you get a few per week and from cruise pass but the method that causes you to stop using them is getting your ships to L100 and you start self generating them

Which is one of the reasons you want to push. L100 ships good for generating xp

[potent slate]

yup thats why I joined the discord for help and other people intrested in the game

I put goth portland and Unicorn in dorm now to find a map to can not die on

as I hve 5700 oil I can mess around for a while

[keen sable]

did you do event A1 yet?

[potent slate]

I have done the very first event stage

also should I buy Pennsylvania?

[keen sable]

not if you're going to commit to Hood and FdS

[frank kernel]

is that Freidrich der Smol?

The event stages have a pretty low difficulty curve from map-to-map so you should consider working on those. The main campaign maps will always be available. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Light_of_the_Martyrium#Normal You can see the enemy levels listed here. A and B maps are the normal modes.

[keen sable]

yes

[potent slate]

good? got her from grinding

[novel condor]

Fds better to invest then her I think

[mint flint]

bad ship but does unlock nelsons pennant later

[rapid grail]

said gear from memento is what makes nelson retrofit good as well, making nelsonkai's barrage guaranteed

[potent slate]

currently grinding 2-4 for exp

[plain saffron]

anything to datamine this patch?

[wide sandal]

in the event shop, should i get the other mogador or Bearn meta?

[fresh tangle]

Bearn can drop from event stages. I was told to wait and I ended up getting her yesterday from d3

[frank kernel]

if you are farming d3 then I would not buy her until the end of the event

[wide sandal]

alright, i'll get to d3 first

[viscid swift]

Gear lab mats required

New gear

[plain saffron]

ouh right

[quartz wyvern]

I'm like 30 prints away from FS5ing Harbin to complete series 5. After I get like 200 Kearsarge prints. I'll be done with 6. Do I just go back to 4 and farm Tenrais for the rest of my life?

[viscid swift]

No

I'd start stock piling for PR6 Fate Sims and a 2nd Hindenburg gun if you haven't already

And then spam Plymouth guns

[frank kernel]

pr7 in a few months anyway

[viscid swift]

Until PR7 drops in about a month anyway

[quartz wyvern]

Do fate sims usually drop at the same time as new PRs?

[viscid swift]

No

Pr6 pr fate Sims should be in August with the EN anni

[exotic wren]

Half a year after iirc?

[quartz wyvern]

[snow coral]

Anyone have better fleet ideas? Or do I just need more cv rld?

Shinano doesn’t really get her last airstrike in

[soft raft]

1 year and like 1-2 months for a series to get Fate sims for the PRs

[frank kernel]

fate sims are handled individually as well. usually the golds all at once, and then the URs at some point later. maybe.

[steady beacon]

Is this Rodney?

[frank kernel]

Looks like it, from the screen whiteout.

[snow coral]

It is

[frank kernel]

What's the rate of increase for the support barrage? Is it every day?

[plain saffron]

hmmm

[steady beacon]

Alright, then I take it you're attempting 4-strike Shinano, 3-strike Haku
Short answer, if you don't have enough CV RLD, your only option is to sabotage your planes (although even then you probably need at least some RLD)
Saiun/Fulmar/Saiun with beacon on Shinano has shown ability to launch around 0:15 with 40 RLD, so if your RLD is not too far behind, Indy's RLD buff with such a plane setup might allow you to close that gap

[steady beacon]

Damn, that's quick

[viscid swift]

Hmm, blue 76mm reloads every 0.67 seconds at +6

[plain saffron]

can someone list the tree for each gear

06-06-2024 Gear Lab update datamine
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQtuovp2xVtsQXvLst_YAgg4_7RU3eK2WuEoYa0YV2080BPwAg60IuIdYjFt9MN9h0Pokr3T4rO2moD/pubhtml

[steady beacon]

[plain saffron]

tree in few minutes

[viscid swift]

the 113mm it seems might powercreep the 76mm

[plain saffron]

mk7 need mkd

[viscid swift]

of course it does

[night pumice]

if I have four UR bulins and only ur I have is mog, do I hope I build alsace before 6/12 or do I just go and mlb mog

[plain saffron]

mk6 also works

[eager mulch]

the prophecy is real

[viscid swift]

thank fuck

[viscid swift]

the former

[eager mulch]

#gameplay-help message

[quick mason]

y'all Is my nj okay?💀

[eager mulch]

nah, missing a star

[quick mason]

:/ I'm about to get 2 bulin

[steady beacon]

Well, I guess it's one way to get rid of my Mk D 👀

[eager mulch]

rip the dream

[hard mesa]

Use electronic?

[viscid swift]

the only direct downside is it's 0.03 seconds slower

[soft raft]

what UR plans does NJ gun use

[plain saffron]

mats need a while

[eager mulch]

microscopically tiny damage increase for a microscopically tiny rof decrease

o but 5 more range

[viscid swift]

well it has a much higher damage coefficient, much higher and gives 20 FP for what it's worth
also no volley time

[quick mason]

yow guys what am I gonna replace to my auto reloader?

[plain saffron]

tree need few minutes, mats, uhh whenever i found the script

[eager mulch]

but realistically we’re putting these on dds with 85% eff slots and low fp already

[viscid swift]

hey, I'm helping you cope

[calm rose]

Black shell or hpfcr

[eager mulch]

I’m living on cope

[quick mason]

that heavy shell?

[untold bane]

IS muse prinz eugen better than regular prinz eugen? I got regular eugen maxed o Idk if it's replacing her and building muse

[eager mulch]

the AA gun has a skill?

[steady beacon]

It has a skill

[eager mulch]

normal prinz has more tankiness less damage, muse has more damage less tankiness

[plain saffron]

why images not showing up

[viscid swift]

hmmmm

[quick mason]

ppl saying Portland is better I wonder why

[round sparrow]

Is there a guide for the early summer invitation? Or do i just choose the hottest ship

[hollow gust]

cause she is cheap asf

[quick mason]

I build her since I no choice

[viscid swift]

Portland is not as tanky but her damage is a bit better and she's much much cheaper and needed for the rookie missions

[quick mason]

they say I should get anchorage

[viscid swift]

the fuck

[wind hazel]

[south sequoia]

11

[hollow gust]

i dont even use my 2nd gun lol

[plain saffron]

bro what

[viscid swift]

how does that even work

[eager mulch]

Looks like I’m crafting mkds

[hollow gust]

just upgrade from gold lol

[quick mason]

No cap but bearn meta looks OP 💀

[viscid swift]

she's not

[south sequoia]

She looks great for a fast loader but nowhere near op

[viscid swift]

she's solid but definitely not OP

[quick mason]

oh just solid

Gotta pull more NJ for limit break 🗿

[forest palm]

doesn't she spawn a tornado? thought I read that in the skill description

[quick mason]

yes she

[soft raft]

you cant even pull NJ from event banners but ok

[wind hazel]

who says he's pulling from event banner

[plain saffron]

tree

[forest palm]

how does the tornado function mechanically, and what is the efficacy of it?

[quick mason]

I forgot

[south sequoia]

tell me when tree is added to sheet so I can unpin

[plain saffron]

will do

[soft raft]

Hmmmm
damn 11 Main gun plans for 406 mk 6 -> mk7
Wonder if it's cheaper to upgrade it from the 406 Mk D or would crafting the Mk D negate the resource advantadge

[plain saffron]

everyone else busy i'm soloing this

[snow coral]

I have +28 rld from fleet tech. Shinano isn’t oathed so guess I might need at least 5 more

[viscid swift]

MkD is cheaper

[forest palm]

MKD is definitely cheaper

[soft raft]

Oh wow that's not bad

[south sequoia]

44 less electronics and 2 less ur gun prints to create mk7 via mkd

woah

[forest palm]

though really won't need more than 4 MK7, so like

[quick mason]

is this fine for NJ?

[eager mulch]

no

[hollow gust]

That's a shit gun for her

[quick mason]

give me those materials 🗿

[soft raft]

It's shit for everyone except for pre-augment littorio

[quick mason]

ohhh

[forest palm]

still wouldn't use it on Littorio w/o UE

[eager mulch]

cheap

[soft raft]

[plain saffron]

Mats, no fancy images this time
Recipe id: 14460
Result: Triple 406mm MK7 Main Gun
Gear needed: Triple 406mm Mk 6 Main Gun Mount
Mats needed: UR Main Gun Design Plans x11, Ultra High-Purity Metals x64, Military-Grade Electronic Components x64
Coins needed: 12000

Recipe id: 14461
Result: Triple 406mm MK7 Main Gun
Gear needed: Prototype 406mm Mk D Main Gun Mount
Mats needed: UR Main Gun Design Plans x9, Ultra High-Purity Metals x64, HBX Blend Gunpowder x54
Coins needed: 10000

Recipe id: 21620
Result: 单装113mm高平两用炮Mark IV
Gear needed: Single 120mm QF Mark IX Naval Gun
Mats needed: SR Main Gun Design Plans x3, Military-Grade Electronic Components x24, HBX Blend Gunpowder x30
Coins needed: 2400

Recipe id: 36740
Result: 80mm98式连装高炮
Gear needed: Single 80mm AA Gun Mount
Mats needed: SR Anti-Air Gun Design Plans x3, Military-Grade Electronic Components x15, Superconductive Metals x12
Coins needed: 2400

Recipe id: 42160
Result: 三联装SKC25式150mm主炮改
Gear needed: Triple 150mm SK C/25 Main Gun Mount
Mats needed: Specially Smelted Metals x24, Synthetic Elastic Materials x18, Poudre B Gunpowder x18
Coins needed: 500

Recipe id: 46440
Result: 单装40mm Flak28机炮
Gear needed: Twin 37mm Flak M43 Machine Gun Mount
Mats needed: Industrial-Grade Electronic Components x22, Specially Smelted Metals x5, Conductive Metals x9
Coins needed: 400

[eager mulch]

I want fancy images

[frank kernel]

I wish I could read

[frank pulsar]

11 design plans

[south sequoia]

Hey the new dd gun looks pretty fast

[snow coral]

I imagine bearn meta will be better for me for mobbing than chaklov

[eager mulch]

76mm finally powercrept

[soft raft]

ehhhhh
Would still prefer Chkalov outside of if you need fighter coverage

[plain saffron]

just added

forgot about it

[pine lance]

I need reach 200 pity to obtain Alsace? I'm new in the game

[ember totem]

you can get her before the 200

[south sequoia]

Everything about crafting from mkd is cheaper, even coins needed

[viscid swift]

no, she has a 1.2% rate in the event pool

[frank pulsar]

if youre lucky you wont need to, her drop rate is 1.2% from her event pool

[soft raft]

no that's the pity system
you can roll her before you hit 200, but if you're extremely unlucky then yeah you'd have to hit pity

[snow coral]

Does bearn meta do much less dmg than her?

[pale plinth]

What’s the gimmick with the new event torp? Any use at all or just a collectable?

[frank pulsar]

chkalov has high dmg and has carpet bombing, pretty high bar to beat for mobbing

[pine lance]

84 pulls and nothing, yes, I'm unlucky xd

[loud rover]

is mk7 gonna be worth making or just stick with mk6s?

[sweet delta]

The second best non-magnetic torp in general. And non magnetic torps are worse than magnetic torps in general.

[snow coral]

So guess there isn’t much of a use case for bearn meta then

[viscid swift]

eventually yes

not a high priority to craft though

[soft raft]

It's a straight upgrade to the mk 6
Just dont use the Mk 6 route to make the Mk 7

[sweet delta]

Pay 11 UR main gun designs to refund your 35 gold plates in mk6 🧠

[loud rover]

ah right, cause 9 on mkd vs 11 on mk6

[ripe peak]

hey chat

[steady beacon]

Quick check on traneptora, 28 RLD, no oath, +10% RLD Shinano with Beacon hits 0.11s slower than what I've got, so you should be able to make it
(Of course, you do have to cross-check that you don't trigger Dimensional Transcendence doing this)

[ripe peak]

i need help clearing 10-1

[viscid swift]

start a thread and post your dock

[plain saffron]

anything else needed?

[eager mulch]

cool pictures

[viscid swift]

I think that's everything important

[plain saffron]

go make it

[snow coral]

She starts but the torps barely don’t reach rodney in time

[ripe peak]

dock help 10-1

[plain saffron]

i'll add the tree and recipe to sheet later, need to do work

[sweet delta]

I'll mine the AA gun's skill later

[quick mason]

is this looking good now? than before.

[soft raft]

I question what Takao is doing there but I've seen way worse

[steady beacon]

What a pain
Well you can try switching Haku and Shina around
Bc her DB slot has 4 planes, you can try stuffing a fast plane there, you should be able to make Haku faster that way

[sweet delta]

I question what Portland is doing there

[quick mason]

Bro...

[uncut oar]

Bro...

Portland is a tank, she goes to the left to take damage

[frank kernel]

making his way to +1 cruiser torp

[ember totem]

hello ariel

[viscid swift]

why aren't you running 2 fleets

[uncut oar]

hello Chien

[sweet delta]

Takao stays tank, Portland is redundant in that fleet

[quick mason]

she was a low lv before

I'll change it 💀

[uncut oar]

do you have a second fleet

[quick mason]

Im building

[uncut oar]

then you can put portland on the left in the second fleet instead and have somebody else mid

unless you also have a better tank for that fleet

[potent slate]

is less time or more time better on Building/Gacha

[quick mason]

almost all the second fleet is in commission for exp

[plain saffron]

can anyone see if the tree looks okay in sheet

[sweet delta]

Both have good ships

[uncut oar]

not necessarily better/worse, every ship has a specific build time, it depends on who you're looking for

[potent slate]

the event ship and both my build time are 1 hour 1hour 20 min

[quick mason]

Didn't expect I need 4 fleet for siren operation 💀💀

[uncut oar]

but smaller ships have quicker build times so like if you see a 4h+ build it's either a CV or BB

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Building#List_of_Ships_by_Construction_Time

[steady beacon]

Trees look fine to me

[uncut oar]

you're fine with 2 for the most part tbh

[vale spindle]

Looks good

Maybe circle or draw arrow to point to new gear

[plain saffron]

that's not automated so

@south sequoia unpin tree

[heady remnant]

Hey, what gear from season 5 and 6 is worth it? And is there a meta gear tier list somewhere?

[soft raft]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[vale spindle]

do /equip in #bot-spam

If a gear from pr5 or pr6 is listed there its good but most of them are sidegrades / niche relative to other gear that exists

[heady remnant]

Kk

[plain saffron]

Just see CN name

[potent slate]

how do I get quickfinishers

[vale spindle]

commissions and daily missions

[uncut oar]

you can go and look at the datamine to see the build times but Alsace is a BB, so those are definitely not Alsace, the moment you see the build time you can tell which ship/group of ships it is because every ship's build time is fixed and constant.

[steady beacon]

Als is 06:12:20 if you want to know btw

[eager mulch]

time to update the gearlab sheet Sam

[frank kernel]

the URs tend to have weird construction timers so they're pretty easy to spot

[uncut oar]

not that it matters so much if you've been playing because quick finishers exist anyways

[eager mulch]

what was the reload time of the single 113mm prerequisite

[frank kernel]

Ye but I use it to surprise my wife when I have to do her dailies at 5 minutes til reset. I'll roll a UR and leave it for her to open the next morning.

[steady beacon]

0.76s

[eager mulch]

single 113mm so based

[steady beacon]

[eager mulch]

fuck the mk7, single 113 is my new best friend

[sweet delta]

No cap 3% more opsi siren killer is huge

[forest palm]

so 76 is powercrept, am I understanding this?

[viscid swift]

pretty much

[wispy pendant]

You guys think the new dd gun is the new barrage gun?

[steady beacon]

Powercrept is an interesting word for a gun not used for its power tbh

[viscid swift]

I mean just compare

[eager mulch]

oh I’m comparing alright

[quick mason]

this my second fleet looks like

💀💀💀

[wispy pendant]

Longer range than the 76, very close to same reload. Seems good

[eager mulch]

rip helena tank

[viscid swift]

it's shite, to be blunt

[wispy pendant]

Thou shalt not slander the dd barrage gun

[sweet delta]

So what second fleet can they use

[viscid swift]

I have no clue

[quick mason]

rip second fleet

[calm rose]

Where did your portland go?

[quick mason]

1st fleet

[calm rose]

Isn't takao tanking for your first fleet

[quick mason]

she was on the middle reason low lv

I changed it now

[frank kernel]

Takao and Portland are both tanks. They should each be the tank of a fleet.

[quick mason]

takao is a tank?

[frank kernel]

More than a DPS.

[quick mason]

I freaking don't know no one told me 💀

[frank kernel]

It's okay. Now you know!

[quick mason]

thx 🗿

Gotta put swift sure on 1st fleet and put Portland on second fleet

so my old fleet was right just why did I follow that advice to put Portland 💀

[frank kernel]

You may have misunderstood due to not realizing they were both tanks.

[quick mason]

yes

[calm rose]

You did say you're leveling portland cuz she's low level. That's alright. But now that she's leveled up. She should be use as fleet 2's tank

[quick mason]

Nescafe classic is real

should I ignore the gear properties faction?

[plain minnow]

What are some of the must buy in the Event shop?

i bought the twin 138 + 550m

[calm rose]

Unless a skill needs it. Yes gear faction can be ignored

[uneven cave]

The faction in the gear properties only matters for ships that have gear requirements (e.g. Kearsarge)

[quick mason]

alright

I was planning to put gear on swift sure

since swift sure gives range to air defense

[soft raft]

Swift is kinda whatever

[calm rose]

Not sure what you meant but if you need a strong AA ship. A cheap one is juneau

[quick mason]

what does this mean then?

[uneven cave]

Where does it say it increases air defence range
Not that it ever will, AA range is determined by the AA gun

[plain saffron]

If plane shot in AA range, get buffs. Everytime this happens, get buffs

[quick mason]

:0

my bad

[plain saffron]

Read the 1 line above it

For every 5 enemy aircraft shot down in your fleet's Anti-Air Gun range:

[quick mason]

it's the Anti Air dmg not the range

[blissful hamlet]

new gear any good

[frank kernel]

nah the answer had about as much effort put in as the question

[blissful hamlet]

even the gold one?

[plain saffron]

DD gun best barrage gun, mk7 good as usual

Better to craft through mk D route

[viscid swift]

76mm replaced

[blissful hamlet]

better than the blue gun?

[plain saffron]

Yes that's why best

[eager mulch]

76mm days are over

[blissful hamlet]

:champogWide:

[viscid swift]

all hail 113mm

[eager mulch]

single 113 very low prio though in the grand scheme of things

[crimson glacier]

whats supposed to replace 76

[novel condor]

New gear leaks

[crimson glacier]

do you know what leak means?

[calm rose]

The new gold 113 from gear lab apparently

[eager mulch]

[novel condor]

[crimson glacier]

coz there isnt leaks anywhere in sight

[jaunty vault]

[uneven cave]

help GPH invaded by miku fans

[muted forge]

Still can’t get 3 stars on 3-1 I’m leveling up skills and limit breaking my ships what else can I do 😔

[eager mulch]

I’m not a miku fan I’m a single 113mm fan

gear, levels, limit breaks

[calm rose]

First you need mlb ships

That's alot of empty stars

[blissful hamlet]

what's the dps of the new barrage gun? is it shit like the blue gun?

[eager mulch]

proper positioning?

[uneven cave]

I don't think you'll be mlb'ing ships at lvl 30-40

[frank kernel]

He's also level 30.

[muted forge]

Yes I am lvl 34

[calm rose]

Level up then mlb then

[novel condor]

Lurker smh

[steady beacon]

I mean, for whatever it's worth, it's nearly double the damage of the 76 for 0.03s slower
(Not that it really matters on the ships you'd use it on, ofc)

[uneven cave]

Yeah cause they got a billion exp data packs lying around

[calm rose]

Do the highest stage that you can do without dying. Until you're level high enough to mlb

[muted forge]

Okay what level can I mlb at and what does mlb mean

[calm rose]

Ok I'll help them to level then

[steady beacon]

MLB = max limit break (max number of stars)
You need at least Level 70

[muted forge]

What the fuck

[steady beacon]

For Chapter 3 though and your levels in high 30s, 2 limit breaks is fine

[muted forge]

Okay

[frank kernel]

Every time you Limit Break a ship it gains a star. you gain the ability to limit break once each at level 10, 30 and 70.

[steady beacon]

(Unless you intend to overlevel that much, anyway...)

[uneven cave]

Get them to 2LB (2 stars above their baseline), since your ships are above level 30

[frank kernel]

Limit breaking requires either another copy of the ship, OR a Bulin of the appropriate rarity.

[uneven cave]

Then put some gear if you haven't yet

[mellow remnant]

Wrong channel sorry-

[muted forge]

Also where can I get the retrofit stuff

[fluid brook]

Story Hard Mode

[calm rose]

You should prepare a BB though. A full cv backline will get sunk by suicide boats. Get pennsylvania from guild shop

[eager mulch]

he has little fdg

[calm rose]

Oh, I actually mistook that as ark. My bad

[frank kernel]

At early enough levels you can get away with facetanking the suicide boats with your vanguard, but ye it's not ideal, and eventually it will not work anymore.

[muted forge]

Thanks chat

[eager mulch]

don’t neglect your gear

[fluid brook]

Although if your retrofitting, do first Unicorn, if you dont have her shes in the GuildShop (Elite Ship), shes very good and will last you till endgame

[sharp socket]

dev avp or agir first

i have 310 agir print and 220 avp print

[eager mulch]

avp so you can start coining

[soft raft]

and Agir will take longer to D30 regardless of who you go for first

[sharp socket]

alr

[uneven cave]

Imo Portkai > Unikai

[soft raft]

nah

[fluid brook]

uh well i respect your opinion

[wind hazel]

i don't

[eager mulch]

Imo Unikai > Portkai

[fluid brook]

[stuck furnace]

bruh invest in sr bullin

[eager mulch]

preloaded airstrike just trivializes so much of the game

[viscid swift]

not to mention the extra healing

[sweet delta]

Imo Portkai only costs 1 gold retro bp

Imf fax not opinion

[fluid brook]

wuts Imf?

[sweet delta]

In my fax

[wind hazel]

in my fax fax

[fluid brook]

will take it as Fact* not fax

[fluid brook]

the truth of the truth

[eager mulch]

Imf fax > fact

wait musashi oath skin this maint right?

[viscid swift]

yes

[eager mulch]

[sinful elk]

Do I save cubes from now that I got Alsace

[soft raft]

yeah

[sinful elk]

Oh and about Breneus is she good

compare to kaiport

[potent slate]

@viscid swift the team U reccomended it working quite well also read the guide U sent

[soft raft]

you wont be using her much tbh

[sinful elk]

Idk I see her all out assault is kinda effective which cover the map?

[potent slate]

are there any levels worth grinding for the character drops?

[viscid swift]

no

[wind hazel]

choukai grind 👍🏻

[potent slate]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[eager mulch]

choukai isn’t a grind it’s a war crime

[soft raft]

thank frankly kinda means nothing unless it's like cracked beyond belief which it is not

[tidal meteor]

Datamine not out yet?

[fluid brook]

sorry wrong emote

[tidal meteor]

Sorry forgor pins 💀

[sinful elk]

But is she better than port kai though, in term of dps and aa?

[viscid swift]

she is, but she's also not someone of particularly high priority to invest gold bullins into

[sinful elk]

[river musk]

I had a question about Iris Libre/Vichya Dominion ship girls. I just put a new fleet together using those factions and when I load into any battle, all battleship salvos are fully charged right at the start of the battle. Is this a faction specific thing, a bug or some weird interaction? I've seen this work on Alsace, Richelieu, Champagne, Jean Bart and Dunkerque. Thanks!

[viscid swift]

it's a thing for most French BBs yes

[grizzled creek]

Am I able to Dev level a shipyard ship & develop another at the same time ?

[eager mulch]

yes

[river musk]

Ah, thank you. I haven't used many French BBs before, so this is new to me

[grizzled creek]

Do y'all recommend Neptune, Roon, or ibuki for my 2nd one ?

[eager mulch]

roon for IB tech

[frank kernel]

Many french BBs have a preload, but at the cost of a MGM. Some keep their MGM+2 like Flandre, Alsace. But keep that in mind.

[grizzled creek]

Ok thx

[tidal meteor]

Yooo 76mm finally dethroned as barrage gun?

[viscid swift]

yes

[river musk]

Gotcha. I appreciate the feedback

[tidal meteor]

[eager mulch]

I’m single 113mm pilled now

[viscid swift]

I'll need 3

[eager mulch]

for who

[fluid brook]

wait what happen to 76mm?

[viscid swift]

Shimakaze, Kazagumo, Kawakaze

[tidal meteor]

So single 113mm or twin 100mm kai for Scylla?

[eager mulch]

powercrept

[viscid swift]

I still say Twin 100mm kai

[fluid brook]

we got new faster gun or nerf?

[eager mulch]

new gun, more damage for only 0.03s slower

[steady beacon]

I'd prob still keep using Aki Kai unless you want to go all in on the barrage spam

[eager mulch]

like, significantly more damage

[fluid brook]

which gun its?

[silver lintel]

In b4 it cost ords

[eager mulch]

British single 113mm

[viscid swift]

it doesn't

[tidal meteor]

13/7 more damage per boolet?

[tame jungle]

Biggest problem being that you can only have 1 mogador gun

[eager mulch]

that’s hardly a problem

[fluid brook]

where to get?

[steady beacon]

Esp bc Scylla's gun damage isn't godawful like the stuff you normally put barrage spam guns on

[eager mulch]

gear lab

[frank kernel]

it can be +13 on top of the already higher base dmg

[fluid brook]

in next maint?

[steady beacon]

Y

[eager mulch]

with musashi oath skin yes

[fluid brook]

yeah i wont miss those great news

althou took me 4 days to know it was announced in the stream and only appear like 5 secs

[tidal meteor]

Is it worth the gold gun plates though 🥲
They be competing with triple 406mm Mk7, HindenGun, Plygun and twin100mm kai

[eternal moth]

24 is a lot of electronics, but it's probably worth making at least a couple

[eager mulch]

low prio relative to other gear lab stuff though I’d say

[silver lintel]

So mk7 can be crafted from either mk6 or mkD, 6 ords or 2 ur main gun prints?

[frank kernel]

mkd road is "cheaper" overall (for things that are scarce)

[eager mulch]

11 UR main gun prints from mk6 or 9 UR main gun prints from mkd

[grizzled creek]

How do I check what stage is for the retrofit parts again

Surprisingly I was able to do portlands so onto the next one

[fluid brook]

Click in the circle to see

[eager mulch]

don’t even need to click the circle just need to open your eyes

[fluid brook]

Let me get a monitor

[grizzled creek]

Yea I didn't think of checking all the hard modes to see

[eager mulch]

vulkar doing 5-1H

[fluid brook]

it was an example

[balmy kiln]

does the efficiency thing affect ship drops in events? i know it does in normal stages right

[eager mulch]

yes

[tame jungle]

You effectively roll twice instead of just once

[grizzled creek]

But erm... idk who's retrofit to work on now

[eager mulch]

it effectively does 2 runs at once so double chance for a drop

[steady beacon]

Is your question whether 6 ords (Mk D) route makes up for 2 UR gun prints (Mk 6 route)?
In terms of ease of acquisition, I'd say the ords are easier to get, but your mileage may vary depending on what you have and what other things you want to build

[fluid brook]

Unicorn retro

[grizzled creek]

Unicorn & Portland done

[eager mulch]

Helena retro

[grizzled creek]

Helena then my starter u think?

[eager mulch]

or retro starter

[wind hazel]

starter first

[grizzled creek]

My starter is more then half done alrdy

[eager mulch]

starter first

[grizzled creek]

Ok

[eager mulch]

starter > nelson > > independence

[calm rose]

Yes then finish it

[grizzled creek]

Ik I was told to do uh Nelson... but ngl idk if I rlly want to unless it's worth

[wind hazel]

it's worth

[fluid brook]

You got BBs? if not might be good to do

[grizzled creek]

Yea only 2 others I think ... I can show my ships if u want

[fluid brook]

can i see?

[eager mulch]

nelson retro good for the feet 100% barrage

[grizzled creek]

Dang my box is growing lol

Hopefully that's everyone ... I think

[eager mulch]

nvm Alsace and hood exist

[frank kernel]

nelson is t0 for :3 and being stepped on. but you'll also need the Pennant of Victory which requires completing that portion of the memento