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soft raft
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even if you had guam, Brest would still be worth getting

plain saffron
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Anyone have having problem with new UI font? Like hard to read etc

vale spindle
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No but I'm English fluent

plain saffron
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I suspect it's because I'm using lower res MurmWat

silver lintel
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Brest best mob tank in the game

remote yarrow
vale spindle
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I'm playing on one plus 6t and have no issues

icy mountain
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is brest coinable or no?

vale spindle
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Nope

icy mountain
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sadge, it will take me forever to build her ig

remote yarrow
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Have you even done PR4 yet?

silver lintel
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I used d25 brest for w14 lol

remote yarrow
plain saffron
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Like it's readable ish. But hurt eyes

remote yarrow
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Get some glasses MakinaSmug

dense talon
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is guam considered better than brest? I tend to use brest over her

remote yarrow
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Cuz besides the Dock Capacity thingy it's pretty readable

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And I have a 3/2 prescription

plain saffron
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No that's still old ui font

remote yarrow
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Wait really?

plain saffron
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stuff like this

remote yarrow
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I haven't changed to old one Ehhssex

plain saffron
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And the one in dorm

silver lintel
remote yarrow
ripe peak
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which ship is the twin 138.6mm mls 1934 naval gun for?

soft raft
remote yarrow
ripe peak
viscid swift
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it's wasted as Alsace's aux gun

soft raft
ripe peak
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ahh ty

soft raft
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Alsace doesnt even want DD guns for her aux gun slot anyways, and if she did, she and other simillar BBs would have extremely low priority for that gun, esp when there's only 1 copy of it

plain saffron
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Just to know if it's because of my res it looks hard to read

remote yarrow
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Time to get a new phone Nagami MakinaSmug , even tho I play on emu cuz my phone is shit

zinc turret
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Okiie thanks

plain saffron
remote yarrow
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Maybe the colors?

plain saffron
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Probably

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Also this is emu smh my phone already high end

remote yarrow
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It's like they have a "outer glow" effect from Photoshop also EssexWheeze

true kraken
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Do yall know how can I get Taihou guaranteed?

remote yarrow
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You can't UniSip

viscid swift
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Nah, just special

frank pulsar
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afaik only way to guarantee her is through invites with her on it, otherwise gl gambling perma/ww

remote yarrow
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Oh right she's in Special WarZoom

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But no guaranteed chance just gacha

sinful elk
remote yarrow
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Yeah she's also in Special

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But don't waste cubes trying to get her when you already got Unicorn for a healer UniSip

sinful elk
remote yarrow
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Haven't used her, sorry PortDoll

sinful elk
steady beacon
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Volga is a good healer, albeit targeted and scales with her own HP rather than target
So her ideal use cases are a bit more unique
Though I'm not sure what you mean about her damage, she is a full CV so you shouldn't have any complaints about her damage

sinful elk
steady beacon
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... Isn't that because Unicorn has a preload...

sinful elk
steady beacon
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... You're doubting Unicorn has a preload?

sleek spade
forest palm
sleek spade
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preload stronk!! UniFlex

sinful elk
steady beacon
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I mean, heck, by abusing that logic I can "prove" to you that Unicorn is better than Hakuryuu EssexWheeze

forest palm
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It's not that it's stronger, but that it is an extra air strike that Volga doesn't get....

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We forget common sense ShiSleep

sleek spade
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When common sense isn’t very common…

sinful elk
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Is there anyway to make my Volga stronger, slapping wyvern and tenrai on her? Ehhssex

sleek spade
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When to use Perseus or Ryuuhou?

plain saffron
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Your common sense standard is different than the common people

forest palm
sleek spade
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When to use them tho

forest palm
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You'd use Percy for any content that isn't 13HM, 14, or 15, Ryuuhou is like a more dedicated single target healer, that can oddly heal subs

sleek spade
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Cus I got both and levelled but they’re just sitting in dock cus UniFlex too strong

steady beacon
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NagaThonk Ryuuhou is a targeted healer with the same scale off own HP gimmick as Volga, so use case is similar
... At least against W14/15 though I struggle to think of why I'd use Ryuuhou over Volga though...

sleek spade
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I have no volga…

silver lintel
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W15 fleet rec

sleek spade
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She didn’t drop during rerun

steady beacon
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Oh ye submarine heal too...
Hmmmm...
I kinda advocate not letting your subs surface in W15 though PortDoll

forest palm
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I rarely use Unicornlol

steady beacon
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Time your call

sleek spade
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Stack oxy tube?

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O that works too but sometimes bosses are very tanky

steady beacon
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Snorkel and time your call
I worked out ideal call times for my fleet when I did W15 but what they are I've completely forgotten (written down somewhere)
It's fine if they die in final boss, you just don't want them dying before

topaz smelt
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my usual timing for sub calls is after like 2nd or 3rd airstrike

steady beacon
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Ah, I see
I did it by what mob wave I was on

topaz smelt
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i usually just call after aql launches, it tends to be the hard wave after that

silver lintel
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For fishpack its alba mid, flasher bottom archer top?

steady beacon
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That's what I've got now, at least

atomic abyss
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Aye

ionic pewter
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are gold helldivers worth it? or what's the best dive bomber?

atomic abyss
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Although frankly i question if it's matters at this point

atomic abyss
ionic pewter
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oh yeah i forgot about the tenrai

atomic abyss
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The gold helldiver is a slight upgrade to the purple
But it doesn't really improve enough to justify the crafting

ionic pewter
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what's in second place?

remote yarrow
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Helldiver UniSip

forest palm
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The helldiver is just your best bet till you can get a Tenrai

atomic abyss
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^

indigo dirge
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Is Mogador good yet?

atomic abyss
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She has been fixed
And yes she's strong

ionic pewter
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i have two tenrais but they're for haku and shinano

atomic abyss
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Think of her as gun focused shimakaze

indigo dirge
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last patch note i saw was the 80% ramming dam reduction, what did they do after?

silver lintel
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Mogador prolly gonna ends up in opsimob in smth like unzen mog hindy lol

paper timber
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Hmm, so can an Oath Sushi sync better with Bis2, Vang and Helena?

atomic abyss
indigo dirge
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nice

viscid swift
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Changes are in the patch which can be found in game

indigo dirge
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I run Richie and Alsace in my opsi mobber, might do something like Brest, Mogador and Sanrui

remote yarrow
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Faction fleets bad UniGun

atomic abyss
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True

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But this specific fleet isn't exactly an issue

tranquil saffron
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What should I be using, UR quin 610 torps or gold quad mags?

atomic abyss
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It's actually quite strong outside sanrui

atomic abyss
remote yarrow
grand solar
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Is anyone else having issues getting Fleuret to drop? I've done over 120 pulls, gotten two Alsace, like six Brennus and a Bearn META, plus Epee. But no Fleuret.

atomic abyss
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Unfortunately
That's just rng

remote yarrow
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Elites are the true URs of banners EssexWheeze

forest palm
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Ah...the purple being the secret rare...classic

viscid swift
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RNG is just RNG, I just tried Nagami's gacha sim and got 6 Bearn METAs before hitting pity and still missing Brenuss...

sweet delta
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I think you can blame bug for that

remote yarrow
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I blame Nagami for getting 2 Alsaces on first 10x on his Sim

soft raft
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He made a Gacha sim?

remote yarrow
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He always had one

soft raft
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Wild

indigo dirge
zinc turret
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simp ?

indigo dirge
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simp.

cloud fractal
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For Nosh Muse, that gold or something else? Or leave it alone?

viscid swift
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Stick with what you have

soft raft
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Non-Kai Triple 155 pattern sucks as a vanguard main/secondary gun

grand solar
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And just now got a second Bearn META...

indigo dirge
grand solar
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Well took me 157 pulls but I got them all save the one you buy from the shop.

remote yarrow
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We get that you lost to RNG UniSip

forest palm
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What meh build

atomic abyss
uncut oar
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is using a 0LB Alsace in event for Brest CDC a weird thing to do?

forest palm
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You could.....

uncut oar
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(considering I'm out of URin)

remote yarrow
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I did the same for Flandre's WarShrug

atomic abyss
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Entirely up to you

remote yarrow
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As long as it gives experience to cdc

atomic abyss
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We do not recommend it explicitly but whatcha gonna do when push comes to shove

forest palm
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I'm out of main ships to raise

uncut oar
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also, is Mogador fix in?

viscid swift
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Yes

uncut oar
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nod

forest palm
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Realistically you can use a ship of any rarity, any lb, and w/e gear you like so long as you're not using the ship for actual content ShiSleep

zinc turret
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imma win the rng , 2 fleuret , 1 bearn , 2 brennus , 1 alsace in 50 pull

forest palm
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We don't care

remote yarrow
atomic abyss
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Oi

remote yarrow
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Oi

atomic abyss
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@zinc turret such posts don't belong here

zinc turret
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i see , im sorry

forest palm
zinc turret
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is there any way to only doing campaign at opsi ? cuz whenever after i clear the campaign its cost me some AP to enter the map that used for campaign and if i try to keep my ap lower than the entry cost somehow the campaign cant be completed

strange sphinx
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who can use this gun?

forest palm
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Just Musashi

zinc turret
uncut oar
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any particular reason to put prints into either of the other PR6 golds if Shimanto already d30?

sinful elk
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Since now that i am start developing anchorage which PR i go for next

stone sluice
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Is it better to have a homing beacon on Unicorn for w15 to rush the heals a little bit or better to use a steam catapult to do more damage?

remote yarrow
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Keep in mind you don't only need to develop them you should finish them before changing Season focus

sinful elk
remote yarrow
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Roon from PR1 and getting IB ships from Divergent Chessboard War Archive

sinful elk
crimson glacier
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kear is much more difficult to get and a lot worse than fdg for campaign

remote yarrow
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I literally named them already UniSip

sinful elk
atomic abyss
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FdG is just an unbelievably huge upgrade for players who lack UR BBs

remote yarrow
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If you can't do anyone else from that list, just do anybody from PR1~3 to complete the Rookie research missions

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/plus13

atomic abyss
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It's questionable to even +10 it

atomic abyss
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It's just another standard gold torp

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Stick to quad mags

remote yarrow
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+10 is like standard

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Not at all

atomic abyss
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Mogador torps aren't even that good

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She's a gunner first

remote yarrow
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Just slap a Quad Mag on her

uncut oar
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if it has to be JdA main tank or Mogador main tank, who gets the slot

remote yarrow
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Is there a third option?

uncut oar
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there is not

remote yarrow
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I think JdA is a bit bulkier than Mogador

atomic abyss
uncut oar
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Algerie is sitting mid because level diff

atomic abyss
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Mog shd be tankier iirc

remote yarrow
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Wait really? Ehhssex

atomic abyss
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Let me check

elfin hollow
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What to change and I also accidentally wasted 100 gems on repairing a ship during battle how to get rid of this pain

atomic abyss
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Mog is as tanky as port kai iirc
JDA is frailer

uncut oar
inner delta
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Jda isnt tanky she just make everyone else in the vanguard tanky

cobalt rapids
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jda isnt tanky herself but her barriers give her the big surv boost
but any1 in vang with jda also gets the barriers so shes usually never tank

uncut oar
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mog mt it is, JdA is still gonna be tankier than Algerie with a 18 level diff so she has to ot

elfin hollow
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Also is it possible to get rest 33 in one day after refresh

elfin hollow
atomic abyss
elfin hollow
atomic abyss
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Game literally gives Portland to you for free

elfin hollow
uncut oar
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UniGun buy her from guild shop she's a great starter tank

uncut oar
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(and required for missions so you have to level/retro her anyways, get it over with)

remote yarrow
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Should be, but you are also missing the UR DD Gun Ehhssex

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You are kinda late for the event ngl

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You are gonna need to farm alot and that seems rough with your fleet since you can't farm higher stages

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But good luck

uncut oar
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at the very least, get that DD gun and do your event dailies for vouchers, minigame has vouchers too so hope you did those (you probably did)

zinc turret
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yeah u still have like 6 day :kek

atomic abyss
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More like 8 days

uncut oar
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might be IRL time issue ShiSleep

zinc turret
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really ? i tought its 6 day left

remote yarrow
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It ends on the 13th

atomic abyss
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Event ends next Thursday

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Not next Tuesday

novel condor
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Still got time then PortDoll

zinc turret
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Its say 12/6 here and its already 6/6 MutsukiHyperStare

light trail
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forgot if i asked already but series 5 bp: use on anchorage or only save it for a pr5 (like harbin for example, i have plenty of good BBs but then again idk exact power levels in different contexts)

atomic abyss
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Dude it's 5 June

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And 4 June in game time

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The fuck

remote yarrow
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My guy lives in the future

wind hazel
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dude from future

rancid geyser
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He touched too much grass

warm flax
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Language

zinc turret
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oooo right

atomic abyss
remote yarrow
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Don't worry I also get confused with Freedom Dates

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Month/Day/Year ElbeHeh

light trail
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oh i didnt know they can be coined. i dont have any pr 4 unlocked so didn't realize

atomic abyss
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Only the gold PR4 ships admittedly

olive inlet
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is perseus still gud

novel condor
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Unicorn is better, so she's kinda eh

atomic abyss
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Unicorn retro is better yes

remote yarrow
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She was always good, but Unicorn is a way cheaper and easily obtainable option

atomic abyss
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Perseus is still strong tho

olive inlet
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yeah but like as a second healer if I need it

light trail
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who is highest priority of the pr5 ships

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specifically pr not dr

remote yarrow
atomic abyss
inner delta
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Harbin then

atomic abyss
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Perseus has preloads
Unicorn has preloads

olive inlet
novel condor
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And percy has a long ass reload debuff on her

atomic abyss
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So you have triple preloads and load all your damage in the first few seconds

zinc turret
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so it will be wasted and doesnt hit enemy ? cuz both attack used at same time if auto ?

atomic abyss
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And then Perseus becomes useless afterwards

atomic abyss
remote yarrow
zinc turret
olive inlet
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like sometimes I gotta grind the event and I've got like 15k oil to burn in the last day 💀

atomic abyss
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For farming
Your entire mob fleet shd be in the dorm

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The event is going on for another week though

remote yarrow
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Make 2 farming fleets then WarShrug

olive inlet
remote yarrow
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Even then 15k oil doesn't last that much

atomic abyss
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If you can find the time to grind 15k oil in a day
You can probably find the time to grind 3k for the next few days

olive inlet
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but if I can just use someone else then I won't bother

atomic abyss
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A boss fleet does not need a healer anyways

zinc turret
remote yarrow
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Sorry muy guy, currently Perseus doesn't have much use if you already got Unicorn, which you should

zinc turret
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so only 30 repeat will drain all of that oil

atomic abyss
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D3 is 801 oil for 3 runs iirc
Without the 2x combat efficiency pack it should not take 1500 oil

olive inlet
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alright thanks everyone for the tips

zinc turret
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i use the x2 combat efficiency

elfin hollow
atomic abyss
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Then don't

elfin hollow
atomic abyss
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The game is a marathon not a sprint

remote yarrow
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You can just leave it on the background

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You don't need to look at them while they shoot enemies Ehhssex

lone vigil
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What's the ideal build for unicorn retrofit

plain saffron
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If they die then make your fleet better or farm lower stage

atomic abyss
uncut oar
atomic abyss
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And that's the ideal build ^

sand prairie
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i wanna ask like i just came back is it still possible to get the UR from the exchange?

wild whale
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if you actually play the game sure

sand prairie
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hmmm i see im gonna try

remote yarrow
wild whale
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not sure if all the minigames or whatnot are still active but if they are its trivial

remote yarrow
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They are

atomic abyss
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They are

plain saffron
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They are

zinc turret
remote yarrow
zinc turret
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but for her copy its depend on u did u have enough oil and can clear D3 yet or no

wild whale
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with an infinite amount of oil any clear can get there so just oil not how high you can clear

uncut oar
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if they just came back it's weirdge to try and get the second mogador copy imo because there's a BiS gun, prints and arrays to get from shop too

remote yarrow
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Yeah, the second copy might not be a high prio for now

sand prairie
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yeah tbh im just gonna try to get the first copy

uncut oar
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you are bulin positive as long as you keep playing so MLBing her is not a concern at all

zinc turret
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atleast get first copy and the ur gun

plain saffron
zinc turret
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ur gun op Glowow

uncut oar
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first copy, UR gun, DR prints, rest is optional but I'd get the oil too if you can do D3, it's a net gain

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arrays too because 2.5k isn't much to ask for

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make sure you claim the URin from milestone too, you are definitely hitting 30k if you go for everything mentioned

cobalt rapids
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DR prints are low prio
first mog + ur gun > torps > bearm if she didnt drop > rest

plain saffron
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did we get SSS rerun already?

cobalt rapids
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yes

plain saffron
dawn hamlet
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hello HelenaPeek I need some advice, I'm a bit new in term of research ships, only unlocked Saint Louis and got Odin though the cash shop, I see I cannot dev any other ships aside of Brest but since she's DR5 is this a bad idea?

remote yarrow
dawn hamlet
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ngl I do like Brest look AvroraBlush

cobalt rapids
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ships at d0 are useless consider the resources ull spend deving her and if u can afford to throw em

novel condor
remote yarrow
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He already got Odin from the paid packs Ehhssex

novel condor
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Wait you can pay to get dev ships? WarZoom first time I heard this ngl PortDoll

jaunty vault
novel condor
dawn hamlet
wind hazel
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where they added together? PR1 to 3

remote yarrow
plain saffron
cobalt rapids
wind hazel
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zamn, that means pr4 gonna be added later on. paying for anchorage MutsukiHyperStare

remote yarrow
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So just stick to the recommended "path" in the guide

dawn hamlet
remote yarrow
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Also Main since it's a CB

keen sable
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you can skip 4 for 5 if you really want to WarShrug

dawn hamlet
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oh main too? shouldn't it be fine then? I do play Alsace and Brunnus a lot

cobalt rapids
remote yarrow
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Then it's 2.4m with also 1 ship

cobalt rapids
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i mean even if u start on 5 it will take months just less months HelenaSmile

remote yarrow
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You can start with PR5 if you really want to but it's less efficient than PR4 UniSip

cobalt rapids
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i think once tenrai in gearlab its safe to say starting 5 is better

remote yarrow
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But we don't even know when that'll happen PortDoll

cobalt rapids
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based on precedents its gonna be this year sometime LilEnty

dawn hamlet
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I see I understand, less efficient in terms of ressource right, I will think more about it
and if I were to go for PR4, I should aim for anchorage? But I'm very far from meeting the requirement

cobalt rapids
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mlb more EU ships

remote yarrow
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Less efficient in terms on commonly used ships imo
4/5 in PR4 and
3 or even 2 out of 5 in PR5

keen sable
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you can also sort of catchup whoever you want if you don't mind not getting rainbow gear. The real decision is focus.

dawn hamlet
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I'm pretty far away from meeting the requirement of any ship in PR4, so much I think it'll cost me a lot to get the requirement
I saw someone speaking of going Tenrai gears lab, can I have more information about that?

hushed aurora
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how good is foch meta? better than vampire? is she even worth building?

keen sable
remote yarrow
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The Tenrai part, don't expect it any time soon ™️ UniSip

keen sable
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you should be able to do it for odin if she's D30 already. soon enough for saint louis if she isn't D30 yet

cobalt rapids
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ignore that for now, u can just follow sams research guide
also he has tech pts gathering sections
as for EU tech just get the ones in guild shop and mlb em and lvl good ones like enty sara helena to 120 and mby even penny and port if they are close

hushed aurora
remote yarrow
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also suck

zinc turret
hushed aurora
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do all meta ship suck?

steady beacon
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Not at all

zinc turret
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some are good

remote yarrow
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No, almost all the Cruise Pass ships are awful

hushed aurora
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ok becaus i started using bearn and i like her

remote yarrow
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With the only exception of Fortune Meta for pvp shenanigans

strange sphinx
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do I replace my main with this or this is enough?

zinc turret
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bearn meta is different thing she from gacha / d3/b3 event map not cruise pass

cobalt rapids
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depends on content

remote yarrow
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That AA could look for a replacement ngl

steady beacon
remote yarrow
zinc turret
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well atleast he can mlb bearn meta pretty easily from the event shop

cobalt rapids
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and make ur gears +10

zinc turret
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and he can upgrade a bit from material he get from vampire meta pass and foch meta pass if he havnt use it yet

remote yarrow
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Don't they use different ones?

dawn hamlet
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alright thank you a lot for all the information guys, it was really helpful DorkHeart

zinc turret
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they did ? GlowNaruhodo

remote yarrow
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oh nvm I'm dumb

plain minnow
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who would you say is the best tank in azur lane?

remote yarrow
hushed aurora
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Any SR ships worth raising for my second fleet?

remote yarrow
cobalt rapids
plain minnow
remote yarrow
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Depends on content

cobalt rapids
steep merlin
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Should I construct Monarch? She costs me 5 gold blueprints but im still at pr1

remote yarrow
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But it's in between Agir,Brest and Guam I guess

sweet delta
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The best tank stays alive while contributing to your fleet the most

crimson glacier
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hood is kinda just better than monarch

steep merlin
plain minnow
remote yarrow
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Like the Blond British Ship? No

cobalt rapids
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if u alr finished monarch might aswell, but u dont have to do all pr1 ships to move to higher seasons

crimson glacier
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BB retros arent that common so if you just need points then i guess

steep merlin
cobalt rapids
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if u need fdg tech focus on grinding chessboard if ure done with event

remote yarrow
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God dammit why did they add in a ship called Vanguard when there's also vanguard ships

crimson glacier
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but i dont think any ship needs hms tech in pr2

remote yarrow
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Just for ppl to get confused Omegalilwoo

steady beacon
crimson glacier
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like only good hms pr ship is ply

remote yarrow
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Yeah I know UniSip

crimson glacier
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tho i guess cheshire is fine for w13

zinc turret
eternal basalt
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Another day, +10 to "cap" AkagiLUL

cobalt rapids
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not sandy

zinc turret
remote yarrow
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Sandy doesn't have much use before W13

crimson glacier
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sandy is extremely good but she is also extremely expensive

steady beacon
crimson glacier
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sandy is insanely good in every world after retro, AA or no

cobalt rapids
inner delta
remote yarrow
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True UniSip

zinc turret
hushed aurora
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Last question for today but do I even still have a chance to get alsace? Or am i wasting time with it and should keep my wisdom cubes? Kinda started playinf azure lane again because of wanting to get her...

remote yarrow
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Well that's RNG for you

cobalt rapids
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as long as u got 2 cubes u got a chance

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and u should try

remote yarrow
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Just pray to get her in with whatever ammount of cubes you get before the event ends KievPray

hushed aurora
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true its just a 50/50 you either get her or not EssexWheeze

zinc turret
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cuz u pretty close to the pity

remote yarrow
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Starting or coming back without much cubes is rough if it's on a UR banner for this exact reason Omegalilwoo

eternal basalt
#

(or any banner really)

zinc turret
#

just 140 more cube to guarantee get alsace

remote yarrow
zinc turret
#

she goood af so its will be a waste if u didnt get her

zinc turret
eternal basalt
craggy kettle
#

Hallo, need some help eith this, who can i choose here?

zinc turret
#

here

plain minnow
#

so just to be clear.. in the shipyard you can enhance units with blueprints. and that unlocks star levels as if you limit broke them as well?

crimson glacier
#

the blueprints are limit breaks +enhancing

plain minnow
#

nice

remote yarrow
#

Yes but most of them are useless before Dev 30

zinc turret
remote yarrow
#

A few are useable at Dev 25, mostly the tanks

eternal basalt
#

Just like real limit breaks!

hushed aurora
#

Is there any way to farm gold?

eternal basalt
#

12-4

zinc turret
#

u mean coin ? , event D stage give pretty good amout of it if u new and its not that hard , atleast easier than world 10 i think

remote yarrow
#

And before that it's the highest stage you can beat

round sparrow
#

new player here, what do i do with extra URs

remote yarrow
#

I'm guessing you got lucky instead of going for a dupe, cuz you shouldn't pull for dupes UniSip

round sparrow
remote yarrow
craggy kettle
# zinc turret here

How do i know which of them is vanguard in the choices, i think thay im lacking vanguard character rn

remote yarrow
steep merlin
#

Why is Roon taking more damage than prinz in the sp stage

remote yarrow
steep merlin
remote yarrow
#

Yeah it's fine

crimson glacier
#

why not, she took barely any dmg anyway

wind hazel
#

change this to double line, might improve slightly

steep merlin
remote yarrow
#

I mean he's already done with 5 fights at the very least and didn't really get hit that much

wind hazel
#

unicorn should keep them alive either way

unkempt mortar
#

iso mogadoro bettero thano othero DDo

brave trail
#

Fleet build

steady beacon
remote yarrow
#

Also try to type normally the next time please

zinc turret
remote yarrow
#

Early on he might not give them much use

#

Cuz of Bulins shortage

#

I think he should just focus on the basic starter fleet for now and save his invitation for later

zinc turret
#

yeah tbh 1 portland 1 starter ship with max lb and retrofit can carry him pretty far

#

and way easier to mlb and retrofit and u can get rookie mission reward too maxing them

zinc turret
flat ruin
#

can someone recommend me a better team?

i was just using random ships and dont know what to do with my other ships

half plover
flat ruin
zinc turret
#

yep

plain saffron
#

Yes

half plover
#

yes. the exp requirements for FdG are only main fleet, so once you got enough tech to start building her you would want to run IB main fleet

flat ruin
#

how about the second fleet?

plain saffron
#

Usual boss fleet

half plover
#

you got a good bb already using alsace once you mlb her, otherwise you want a tank as well and maybe helena + another dps

plain saffron
#

Anything fine as long as boss dead

flat ruin
#

does building a fleet of the same faction grants bonuses or smth

half plover
#

in general no, it is just common if you want to work towards shipyard ships and need faction exp

lament tree
#

Is avrora useful?

flat ruin
#

thanks

jaunty vault
plain saffron
zinc turret
plain saffron
craggy kettle
half plover
#

also in the guild shop iirc

craggy kettle
#

oh, i see isee, just need to finish 3 task to get her, thanks again UniHappy

zinc turret
#

||special build can drop her tooEssexWheeze ||

hallow iron
flat ruin
#

how do you get tech points?

zinc turret
#

collecting ship , mlb , lv 120 em

#

i see Gold Gear =/= Good in newbie tips , sooo purpol helldiver > destroyer for saratoga ?

inner delta
#

Yes

hushed aurora
#

how good is brennus?

zinc turret
#

dayum i didnt know that EssexWheeze i just slap some random gold gear in my ships

tender lotus
#

Kazuhaya's W15 fleet

#

Please help

wind hazel
inland wharf
#

Mogador's 2nd skill wants her to equip faction gear, but ive never heard of that before? it says it wants an Iris libre gear piece for example, how do i check that? I bought the 10k essence weapon from event shop im assuming this is one of them but i dont see it labeled anywhere

tender lotus
#

Tap gear's properties

lime panther
#

Motley King Needs help building fleets

inland wharf
#

oh i see it now

tender lotus
#

Good

inland wharf
#

so she only needs one piece then

tender lotus
#

Yes

eternal basalt
#

"After tomorrow's maintenance, five new and existing weapons will be added to Weapon Development!"
So... we just get the 5 previewed in CN?

inner delta
#

Yes

#

406mk7 and few other

plain saffron
#

1 dd 2 aa 1 cl 1bb huh

silver lintel
#

Anything else notable beside mk7?

eternal basalt
zinc turret
#

rainbow 406 MutsukiHyperStare

tender lotus
#

F i don't have Musa vangy and indomi

#

Can someone help me?

eternal basalt
#

You need to wait for the reruns? Vanguard is next (UR anyways)

zinc turret
uncut oar
tender lotus
eternal basalt
#

I doubt there is a guide that NEEDS all 3 ships

steep merlin
#

Do I get rewards beside more drop if I 3 star a stage in divergent chessboard?

silver lintel
#

No

plain minnow
#

in the end game are most peoples formations just built with URs?

silver lintel
#

Kinda

cobalt rapids
#

depends on peoples

plain minnow
#

lets say someone has all the URs max built. would there ever be a scenario where they'd include an SR in the team

steep merlin
plain minnow
#

well aside from healers since there aren't many UR healers lol

plain saffron
#

There's still quite few role that's not UR yet

eternal basalt
#

And there are not 12 UR vanguard AkagiLUL

plain saffron
#

Then there's subs

silver lintel
#

No ur sub yet

inland shoal
#

You'll even use elites for some contents

south sequoia
#

We don't have urs that directly cut evasion rate like aurora

silver lintel
#

How do i lvl up cat quicky

south sequoia
#

there is already a UR ARA but it's restricted and it's on a backline ship

eternal basalt
#

Feed other cat

tranquil crescent
#

what should i buy ingame thats the cheapest and has the best worth

silver lintel
#

Dock space

#

Buy double gem pack

south sequoia
#

In terms of gems or irl money

zinc turret
tranquil crescent
#

irl

#

real moolah

south sequoia
#

What alex mentioned, the level 70 commander pack is nice as well.

steady beacon
#

Hmmmm... it seems rerunning raids is... no longer going to be a thing...

#

(Based on the preview in JP patch notes, at least)

eternal basalt
#

Cruise pass is good for $10 as well

hallow iron
#

Where do u see this?

tranquil crescent
#

so lvl 70 pack, cruise pack, and double gem pack?

steady beacon
#

TLDR, they are making Joffre and co perma next maint

plain minnow
#

ooh are there any sneak previews for the next skins?

jaunty vault
south sequoia
#

take note of the date

jaunty vault
#

lol

south sequoia
#

ah wait ignore that

#

heres a more updated one.

eternal basalt
calm rose
#

Anyone have the event rerun sequence? SpeeWhat

eternal basalt
#

Foch HAS rerun

hallow iron
jaunty vault
#

blaster does

calm rose
#

Is he around EssexWheeze

jaunty vault
#

just search up his messages -> images

eternal basalt
steady beacon
#

... Read what I said again...
I said it "seems [like it is]... no longer going to be a thing..."
Inferred from the fact that Joffre is being made permanent without a rerun...

jaunty vault
#

huh was foch a raid event

hard mesa
#

No

south sequoia
eternal basalt
#

But there are 2 more girls that event NagaThonk

steady beacon
jaunty vault
#

i remember her being a 10k milestone thingy and light pool thingy

#

foch i mean

steady beacon
#

She was ye (although heavy pool iirc)

south sequoia
steady beacon
#

Not explicitly, but implied to be put into core data

silver lintel
#

Whats the idea of running indep for w15 boss

hard mesa
#

Prob end up in core

strong sky
#

i have a question how can i get Mogador right now in the game or is she not available right now in the game?

jaunty vault
cobalt rapids
#

shes good dmg + stagger

jaunty vault
cobalt rapids
eternal basalt
#

Perma shima wonderland skin PortDoll

south sequoia
jaunty vault
#

stagger means not shooting at same time

plain saffron
#

the daily is augment right?

jaunty vault
#

what daily

plain saffron
#

limited daily event

eternal basalt
#

Yes, augments

jaunty vault
#

ill just wait for EN patch notes

#

is there a patch this week MutsukiStare

plain saffron
#

why wait when all info is here and EN not going to mention those upcoming stuff section

steady beacon
#

Ye maint tomorrow coops

jaunty vault
#

true

tranquil crescent
#

should i pull aslace

eternal basalt
#

But this is for the 13th

jaunty vault
plain saffron
#

mfw next next week dead week

jaunty vault
tranquil crescent
plain saffron
#

event

heavy ember
#

What META ship should i catch up i havent beeb playing and i dont have the somatic stuff to mlb who is the most prio

south sequoia
zinc turret
south sequoia
#

Are you trying to ask what banner she is in or are you trying to classify her using light/heavy/special instead of hulls?

south sequoia
tranquil crescent
heavy ember
#

Are already have helena meta going for waifu now xD ty

south sequoia
fresh tangle
#

Is bearn meta worth raising up? Finally got her from map drop save myself 8000 crystals

south sequoia
tender lotus
#

It's called Zwei or bis2

fresh tangle
#

Also just got z23. Should I replace shigare or little spee?

south sequoia
#

However her performance in w14/15 I am not sure.

tranquil crescent
fresh tangle
tender lotus
#

If you're whelling you can bought them

south sequoia
tranquil crescent
eternal basalt
#

Double gem packs can be all at x2, it's not an individual item

south sequoia
fresh tangle
south sequoia
south sequoia
#

Then go ahead

#

Also take note of what hassat said

tranquil crescent
#

yeah

plain saffron
#

are fixed DD MLB with new torp still have the brit torp spread?

south sequoia
#

Cruise missions, you can buy the pass from in there.

eternal basalt
#

Or it's with Akashi in her shop

tranquil crescent
steep merlin
#

I got 2 epeè but it doesnt let me lb my first one for sum reasons? I already have her unlocked

#

It just shows me the bulins

zinc turret
#

Maybe click the show above lv 1

steep merlin
zinc turret
#

That thing

fresh tangle
#

Foch meta is nothing special?

steady beacon
#

Ye

sharp socket
#

are any of the meta ships actually meta

#

or worth the grind

#

to fully enhance and skill them

plain saffron
#

There's no way gold ship can beat UR

#

But some of them are high tier

fresh tangle
#

Ok I just did my daily pull on event banner and got warspite. Should I be excited?

plain saffron
#

Mmm not really

#

Sorry but she's powercrept and too expensive

fresh tangle
#

That’s good. I seem to have a couple decent BB already 😂

fresh tangle
plain saffron
#

Yes

frank pulsar
#

warspite with retrofit already loses out to easily obtainable ship like nelson kai and hood in most if not all cases

fresh tangle
#

Alright cool. She can stay docked at level 1 for now. I need solid upgrades for little spee and shigure. I did finally get z23 which is exciting 😂

sharp socket
#

so i just got fdg and it was enough tech points for agir, do i work on agir first or avp

#

i have 310 agir prints and 223 avp prints

uncut oar
#

assuming you are not gearswapping due to +13 plate issue, what is the single best fighter for medium + heavy in a timestop comp?

abstract latch
#

Can you turn t3 boxes into t4?

tranquil crescent
#

who should i replace alsace for

sullen pebble
atomic abyss
uncut oar
abstract latch
atomic abyss
#

In fact I'd advise dropping most of the URs there

tranquil crescent
atomic abyss
#

Remove NJ
Remove Shinano from that fleet

#

They are not mlb

#

So they are utter shit

uncut oar
atomic abyss
#

Any ship that's not MLB is shit

#

You will not have the bulins for Alsace

tranquil crescent
#

theyre my only URs

atomic abyss
#

Focus all your rainbow bulins on Bismarck Zwei

atomic abyss
#

(sorry for ping)

#

UR doesn't automatically mean they're good

uncut oar
atomic abyss
#

A gold or purple ship will outperform all your URs

uncut oar
#

literally being rainbow does not outweigh missing 40+% of your damage because you aren't max LB

atomic abyss
#

Things like Unicorn retro

#

Hood

#

Etc
It depends on what you have

uncut oar
#

max LB is in bold italics for a good reason

atomic abyss
#

Channel all your rainbow bulins into Bismarck Zwei and focus on her

steady beacon
atomic abyss
#

Drop all other URs until that one is MLB

uncut oar
#

I can only +13 1 plane, it has to be good on average for both

steady beacon
#

Oh yikes I see

#

Who is it going to be put on

uncut oar
#

implac

steady beacon
#

... In that case, I'd probably go Pancake
2x 1000lb, its anti-med isn't too bad, good intercept (W15, or just gauge defending considerations), and its slow cooldown speed can be useful for nudging Implac for sync (because she can be a bit too fast for her own good sometimes)

uncut oar
#

nod I'll check my timings rq and either slot pancake or tigercat then since you seem to be saying bomb fighter

tranquil crescent
steady beacon
#

Def bomb fighter
The three rocket fighters all have their own domains, except for Bf109G anti-light if you don't have HVARs
But you'd never use FW-190 for anti-light/med, nor would you use Bf109G for anti-heavy

uncut oar
#

nodnod

finite sonnet
#

who is more worth to MLB shimakaze or mogador?

uncut oar
#

do either of them already have LB

finite sonnet
#

it will be long time to mlb the other one so i need advice who will do more of a help in doing ch13 and up

finite sonnet
inner delta
#

Uh both doesnt really help 13

uncut oar
#

retrofit unicorn, see if Hood is in the medal shop and if she is buy her and MLB her

#

alternatively MLB and retrofit Nelson instead of doing Hood, I am not sure which is better but it's close enough to not matter

#

put Formi in the third slot for now until you have somebody else you want to level in backline

#

also, start locking your highest level copy of each ship and retire/LB with the other copies

#

@tranquil crescent

tranquil crescent
#

ight

#

also wtf does MLB mean

uncut oar
#

very important so I'll say it again unless a ship is NOT high enough level to be MLB you MLB her

MLB is maximum limit break, this means all of the stars on her card are filled with dupes/bulins

tranquil crescent
uncut oar
tranquil crescent
sharp socket
#

mlb mog or hold, i have 19k spec core

tranquil crescent
#

OH

uncut oar
uncut oar
#

if you are still pulling from event cope for Mog dupe until banner ends then MLB

regal dock
#

Hello im new to this game and wanted to ask which unit I should pick from the selector ?

sharp socket
uncut oar
#

@regal dock

uncut oar
#

asking again, are there any other ships waiting on URin

turbid dawn
#

I've just realised I've been at 70k points for idk how long, but do I need to keep clearing this to finish off my extra dossier everyday?

tranquil crescent
#

if i just MLB them now, i dont have to do the extra stuff

uncut oar
#

if you can MLB them, you can do it and any MLB URs will be good to use, however MLB Zwei first because she already has 1LB

tranquil crescent
#

huh

uncut oar
# tranquil crescent huh

Look at Zwei for example, she gets main gun efficiency +15% and main gun mount +1 on her last LB, she goes from firing twice to firing 3 times and she gets an extra flat 15% damage multiplier, MLB is extremely important

tranquil crescent
#

ok

#

got it

tall dawn
#

So, I had played years ago. I stopped playing, but I just got back in. I’ve started over, so I don’t have a lot of ships. I did manage to draw Alsace. I know to go for Kaga and Akage in 3-4. Are there any websites you would recommend for early game goodies?

uncut oar
sharp socket
#

dont farm the foxes that info is so old

inland shoal
#

Uhh did you mean you know not to go for Akaga?

tall dawn
#

Wow, they were really good if I remember correctly. Did they get nerfed?

uncut oar
#

Powercreep, was never that good

plain saffron
#

No there's just not many good ships at that time

inland shoal
#

No they didn't
They're just not good

sharp socket
#

more stuff got added

uncut oar
#

Also earlygame tldr MLB + retro unicorn she's fucking insane

sharp socket
#

unicorn is the best purple to exist

tall dawn
#

I did get unicorn and new she was excellent

inland shoal
#

Your beginner fleet should look sth like Penny Unicorn sth - Portland starter Helena

tall dawn
#

I also got Shouhou, I know she’s not as good, but she did pretty good for me in the past. I don’t have Helena

sharp socket
#

some people recommend nelson also

inland shoal
#

Nelson is one of the prime Penny replacements

uncut oar
#

Nelson kai or Hood, either has a strong 100% flag barrage (Nelson needs stacks but is 100% with stacks)

inland shoal
tall dawn
#

Penny? Pennsylvania?

uncut oar
#

Yes

tall dawn
#

Ok, I do have Nelson, but I looked her up and she doesn’t rank high..:

sharp socket
#

meanwhile for progression its something like only use 1 fleet until w9, then think about making a mob and boss fleet then push to w12 for optimal farming

uncut oar
#

(Kai is retrofit btw)

tall dawn
#

Gotcha

sharp socket
#

also farming stages for gear specifically is a bad thing

#

also do pr4 research focus catchup anchorage

tall dawn
inland shoal
#

The drop rates are just rly bad

sharp socket
#

if u lack specific gear like repair boxes just open tech boxes until u get it

uncut oar
#

Esp since event exists rn and you can buy gold tech boxes for very cheap

sharp socket
#

research is also better to start early even if u only take shit research because catchup

tall dawn
#

I also got Gascogne u

#

And is Fluerot any good?

uncut oar
sharp socket
#

also yea farm event at minimum get the UR gun its amazing

uncut oar
#

In general event purples will mostly be bad, event golds usually decent to great

#

UR are self-explanatory and are the reason why you save to 400 cubes before you do anything outside of 1 light/event pull a day (unless pulling for a UR)

tranquil crescent
tall dawn
#

Yeah, I was stoked when I got Alsace

uncut oar
#

If you have the URins for her NJ still valuable in Opsi as crossfleet fodder

tranquil crescent
#

ok thx

tall dawn
#

Right now I have Alsace, Gascogne u, and Unicorn as Main. With foxhound, z23, and gridley. My boss fight team has Portland, Indy and Laffey as vanguard. I’d probably swap vanguard, but leveling the other team until the main is higher level.

uncut oar
digital yew
#

i heard musashi's oath skin was dropping so i had a question. i have oathed musashi back when she first came and so will i get her oath skin immediately as it drops?

digital yew
uncut oar
#

Any oath skin is unlocked as long as you have that ship in dock and oathed, does not matter if oath was pre-oath skin

digital yew
#

imma go do some "research"

tranquil crescent
digital yew
lament bay
#

just to double check is this one worth? i dont remember clearly

inland shoal
#

Too bad her oath skin is ass (literally)

digital yew
#

its like 10 wisdom cubes

lament bay
#

yeah its 10 cubes

digital yew
#

hell naw

lament bay
#

i mean what other value do cubes hold if u arent constructing

uncut oar
lament bay
#

i see, is there a tier list of the research to choose somewhere

uncut oar
#

You're saving for the future banners especially URs, 400 is minimum for guaranteed spark, don't be stupid with cubes and keep saving

inland shoal
uncut oar
#

Honestly half the reason blue cube is good is because it's a refresh alternative ShiSleep

tall dawn
sharp socket
#

is ddg fleet good

digital yew
#

where is the news channel? i wanna know whne the musashi skin drops

cobalt rapids
uncut oar
sharp socket
#

as in an shan, chang chun, tai yuan

lament bay
#

the 30 minute ones cost cubes too?

uncut oar
tall dawn
#

Ok, so maybe stick with Portland and Indy and just use that team?

cobalt rapids
#

they are good but where would u use em all together

cobalt rapids
sharp socket
#

what if i just use one or is it trash

uncut oar
#

You can use up to 2 just not all 3 in frontline, you want a tank

#

If it's content where being a ddg matters you will want a tank

digital yew
#

ahhh hell is the promise crate dropping tomorrow??

cobalt rapids
#

it always depends on ur options and fleet
they are good ships and they dont require one another
ty being the best one as long as ur fleet is full

digital yew
#

wait its july phew

tranquil crescent
forest palm
#

what was in Joffre's event?
cause she'll be perm next maint

sharp socket
#

i just know that my vanguard is kinda shit so im looking at other vanguard options

digital yew
#

wait no it is tomorrow

#

imma end it if i dont get enough gems

sharp socket
#

well with mog itll be less shit

digital yew
#

mog

sharp socket
#

im still doubtful about mog based on the things i heard about her being squishy

inland shoal
forest palm
#

one of those 2 is getting thrown in the core shop likely

plain saffron
forest palm
#

Foch is also going to be perm, but that's irrelevant

nova hawk
#

Not a gameplay question but is there a reason why my device overheats so much when I have the game on?

rancid geyser
#

Guys, need advice if I should change fleet formation amd stuff, or I can go As it is right now.

The account is 4 days old so dont expect anything game breaking.

#

Im at chapter 5 main story now, and on event , Im át the stage that gives 90 event item

sharp socket
nova hawk
#

Will lowering fps help

sharp socket
#

yes

inland shoal
#

Maybe but probably not much

nova hawk
#

Man so either get better device or lower fps

lone vigil
#

So... i need a reccomendation for boss fleet and solid mob fleet

inland shoal
#

I mean eg battles run at 30 fps anyway

inland shoal
lone vigil
#

general campaign, events and opsi mainly

inland shoal
inland shoal
lone vigil
#

13

rancid geyser
plain saffron
#

If only they give option to use the old lower res water

lone vigil
#

need help for fleet recc i need a mob and boss fleet leveling ships is not a prob

inland shoal
#

Ig FdL can also be used as flag ship, but kind of a waste raising a child ship

inland shoal
#

Yeah 1 fleet is recommended until w9
Because it is better to focus your resources than to spread thin

uncut oar
#

Also atm just farm event D3, event D3 has oil cap so it's more efficient to farm there on top of event points being a thing

#

Until event over you should not be touching campaign

#

If D3 can't be autoed or ships sink go do D1/D2 instead

zinc turret
#

d3 pretty easy tbh just slap ur strongest ship to 1 fleet then ur weaker ship for bossing cuz the boss actually weaker than fighting 3 elite just dont forget to use vanguard that dont die at the boss

hasty oar
#

factoring all weeklies and dailies what's the max cubes one can get per week

odd sail
#

does anyone have a guide or tips on creating a proper mob and boss fleet

cobalt rapids
odd sail
cobalt rapids
#

still depends

still gate
#

what can you tell about gearlab update?

cobalt rapids
lone vigil
#

what do i prioritise spedning core data on

cobalt rapids
#

/coredata

cobalt rapids
#

but grind event if u havent finished yet

cobalt rapids
vast sparrow
#

idk if i miss my barrages but where do you aim manually? i usually go for the body

atomic abyss
#

There's no headshot bonus or anything

#

So if you're manualling just aim for the sprite

#

Most of us just auto tho

rancid geyser
#

What's the second most efficient stage in event because as I showed , I'm at B3, nowhere close to D3, especially with a 4days old account

vast sparrow
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if I can still get 30 event vouchers from missions and need 100 vouchers for the next mogador copy how many do I have to buy from the shop still

half plover
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how many do we get daily from the random missions + the sp stage?

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I didn't pay attention

still gate
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probably 5 for each

half plover
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and event still goes for 6 resets, right

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so I need to buy 10 more

tender lotus
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when does the specialized core be added in the medal shop?

steady beacon
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Already has been?
Like two months ago

cobalt rapids
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it alr is

tender lotus
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I just comeback lately

atomic abyss
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It was added since April yes

still gate
silk helm
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heyyyy gph- do i get indep first or the black or white shell with core data PortDoll

tender lotus
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i just realized it when visit the shop

cobalt rapids
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3 shell pairs before indep

silk helm
still gate
hasty oar
atomic abyss
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Do consider that there are literally almost no better gear for BBs

silk helm
half plover
silk helm
atomic abyss
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The only auxiliary better than the shells is like what, the rainbow fcr from one of the UR events

cobalt rapids
silk helm
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does it matter which shell i get first? only got 800 rn PortDoll

novel condor
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I think white shell first then heavy shell

cobalt rapids
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white if u have radars, black if u got purple white shells

tender lotus
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you can salvage the purple once you have the gold

still gate
cobalt rapids
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high performance one

still gate
novel condor
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PortDoll this one n pair it with a white shell

still gate
silk helm
novel condor
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Np Nanoda

meager gyro
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i have 3 black and 4 white shells, should i buy more i buy independence?

atomic abyss
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Indep sounds good here

meager gyro
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hi bz_unbridledwhimsy

novel condor
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Indep sounds aight ye

keen sable
meager gyro
keen sable
meager gyro
atomic abyss
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Unique pls

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Independence first anyways

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It's unlikely you have any of the DDG retros anyways

keen sable
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that is most definiteyly an opinion

novel condor
meager gyro
keen sable
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you don't even use indy for anything hard

atomic abyss
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My point has been proven

keen sable
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what does indy do?

atomic abyss
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An Shan, Tai Yuan, Chang Chun all have DDG retrofits

novel condor
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Lmao PortDoll guess indep it is

atomic abyss
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Indep has staggered reload + crossfleet

meager gyro
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never even heard of those guys

keen sable
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my point proven

atomic abyss
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And the guy doesn't even have the DE DDs

plain saffron
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guided missile destroyer

atomic abyss
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What's the point of the damn missile

novel condor
meager gyro
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DE DD?

plain saffron
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chinese Destroyer

novel condor
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I mean ender does have a point PortDoll

meager gyro
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dragon empery?

atomic abyss
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Yes

plain saffron
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yep

steady beacon
meager gyro
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bro im so smart

novel condor
steady beacon
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So basically her launches are in a different interval to most CV/Ls

novel condor
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Noteshiro icic came back not too long ago so I forgot a lot of things alrd EssexWheeze

meager gyro
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how long should the xp grind for a pr ship usually take?

atomic abyss
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So unless he was around for Tai Yuan's retrofit item event in February
It's very unlikely he can even retrofit them

atomic abyss
meager gyro
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avp rn

atomic abyss
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It's possible to do it within 2-3 days

keen sable
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1000 spec core is not some pie in the sky

steady beacon
silk helm
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wats avp

atomic abyss
icy mountain
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is the 533 quin better then the new torps?

meager gyro