gameplay-help

[copper glacier]

How do I find out which ships are in what pool for the wishing well event? I'm worried that if I pick light ships that it won't let me change from that category after I've picked it.

Never done a wishing well event before.

[soft raft]

they show you what ships are in what pool when you go to make your selection

[copper glacier]

Can I go back and pick a different category if I don't want any of the ships in light?

[soft raft]

no you cannot
Also I want to ask real quick, have you already gotten the UR and have at least 400 cubes?

[copper glacier]

I have Alsace and all the other event ships. I have 47 cubes left.

[soft raft]

Then either set your wishing well to light pull (and do your daily pull there) or dont even do it at all
47 cubes is pratically completely broke

[copper glacier]

You're telling me lol. I started the event with 167 cubes. Took 70 pulls to get everyone.

I've only been playing since February

[little tree]

i started the event with 15 cubes

i have 0 currently

[sacred silo]

Is there someplace I can see all the interactions for l2d skins

[soft raft]

https://l2d.algwiki.moe/

[little tree]

i have a queston what is the point of adding these event ships if they are alll mid and my starting ships are better

[vale spindle]

well thats a question to ask the developers not us

[viscid swift]

First, don't take it to mean a ship is not worth investing in to mean it's bad

Second, a ship has more purposes than just doing well in combat

[eager mulch]

investing in brennus for the +1 ca eva

[viscid swift]

Tech among other things is a value resource in it of itself

[soft raft]

they're not deliberatly making dogshit ships, it's just that in terms of oppurtunity cost that it might not be advisable to raise them compared to other ships for what they're worth

And like already mentioned, they have other uses like being sources of Tech points and give fleet tech bonuses

[hallow iron]

Not really important but what is this bar

[soft raft]

/detection

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553

For more information, consult the wiki

[alpine ether]

b3 drops bearn meta right

[vale spindle]

yes

[alpine ether]

thank you

[hallow iron]

Oknthx

[vale thicket]

With the current event, do you get the +15 vouchers from the minigame all days of the event? Or just the 7 for the SR ship?

I may have made a mistake and spent my tickets before getting mogador, no idea if i just botched it

[eager mulch]

spent tickets on what

[vale thicket]

coins.. i didnt look and thought i was spending the other currency and spent the tickets for mogador

[eager mulch]

no big deal you’d just have to grind more event points

[vale thicket]

alright, thanks

[willow crag]

for the UR currency missions with using banner ships to defeat boss, do they have to stay alive?

[warm flax]

No

[willow crag]

good, time to send them in level 1 against D3 level 100+

[warm flax]

Well you'll lowkey get bothered by the average level req

Send like 3 at a time

[high sentinel]

Whats a good gun to slap on Alsace, I genuinely have no idea but have some materials to craft stuff

And to add that question, do we have a ranking for Alsace in terms of use or not yet

[eager mulch]

mk6/champy like other normal UR BBs

[high sentinel]

Where is it again because I don't remember

[willow crag]

Im sending 1 at a time

Alsace seems to be for mobbing right? or can someone correct me

[eager mulch]

Alsace can boss or mob, she’s a UR bb

[eager mulch]

I don’t get what you mean by this you gear her the same as bisz or soyuz for example

[high sentinel]

Ooh right those ones

[willow crag]

shes more fitted for mobbing tho? Well at least from my experience slapping Implacable and Hakuryuu and seeing her deal most damage

[high sentinel]

Okay got it, I just had to remember them again since I forgot about them

[willow crag]

also, does someone have the 1080p version of the demon lord loading screen?

[eager mulch]

so just because a ship doesn’t do the most damage automatically qualifies them as mob oriented? where’s the logic in that?

[remote yarrow]

You can check out this if you wanna idk if they are 1080p tho https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Loading_Screens
iirc there was a website with AL art but I don't really remember it rn sorry

[willow crag]

what? I meant she deals the most damage against mob fleets?

[stuck furnace]

colorado retro worth?

[eager mulch]

ok? she does well on bosses too

[willow crag]

it got nuked

[eager mulch]

implac is weird on mobs too

[remote yarrow]

What got nuked?

[viscid swift]

it depends

[willow crag]

the pixiv site that had every azur lane background at 1080p

[wraith oyster]

Event missions any good for farming gold?

[remote yarrow]

oh well

[remote yarrow]

D3 is decent at best

[eager mulch]

you’re taking end screen damage at face value and Alsace’s preload greatly skews that to her favor

[worldly pewter]

due to massive coin shortage i deserted the event for 12-4

[willow crag]

ah right the preload that makes sense, which makes her more favorable in mobbing fleets no? Im not saying that shes bad for bosses but what Ive been saying for the past few minutes is that it make her more SUITABLE for mobbing

[eager mulch]

preload is nice but you’re 100% gonna be running unikai/perseus and stacking preloads is redundant

[remote yarrow]

🍿

[glacial heath]

kai?

[eager mulch]

retrofit

all UR bbs are good for mobbing

[wraith oyster]

Im also in coin shortage but i need to get mogador before i abandon event

[languid anchor]

isn't 13-4 better? or I missing something (just curious)

[remote yarrow]

I mean, there's still like 17 days left of event, you won't miss out Mogador if you just farm 12-4 for a day

[worldly pewter]

u can get her without spending event currency on her
it is her second copy ( bulin ) that requires that

[wraith oyster]

Same can be said if i go ahead and get mogador and then farm 12-4

[wraith oyster]

Wym, u buy her from event shop

[remote yarrow]

But you just said you are short on coins

[glacial heath]

im short on morale for my ships

[remote yarrow]

Go touch grass and let them rest, or use another fleet

[eager mulch]

this is why I have two 4 oil fleets

[remote yarrow]

Since they get decreased stats and exp gain on low morale

[eager mulch]

most importantly annoying pop up

[sacred silo]

What does # + # mean besides the level

[worldly pewter]

ok this event has 2 currencies
1 is the usual one that u spend on bp plates oil coins tech boxes and the other is specific to the event UR ship which are the vouchers
in this event u are guaranteed to get 390 vouchers from different sources which leaves just 110 that are needed to be gotten from the usual currency conversion to the vouchers to get the 2 copies since the first costs 200 and the second is 300

[remote yarrow]

You can farm on 13-4 ofc but 12-4 is a way safer place where you can also level up your ships at the same time

[eager mulch]

coin farming in 15-4

[wraith oyster]

Didnt realize i only need to convert 110

[languid anchor]

ic ty ty, just curious cuz I just come back. I tho there is some secret.

[worldly pewter]

yeah at our low level u do 12-4 to drag lvl 70~ ships for levels ( although at that level u might also consider 12-1 if short on gear and crossfleets )

[eager mulch]

160 assuming you get all other sources, more in your case now

idk where he got 110 from

[worldly pewter]

i swear this was 390 the other day

[eager mulch]

(it was, I was just joking with you)

[worldly pewter]

so it got reduced again to 340 due to a non announced cap

[wraith oyster]

I pulled alsace already but i only have 1 ur bulin so im debating on whether i keep building to try and get more of her or not

[eager mulch]

never pull for dupes

[worldly pewter]

i went to pity for dupes only got the pity dupe

[eager mulch]

I could go for pity but that’s 300 cubes

[sacred silo]

Halp

[remote yarrow]

Tbh I never noticed that

[eager mulch]

I’ve never cared

[worldly pewter]

i think there are players who have to go for dupes in order to mlb the ships that they have or else they will remain in the dock sitting at 3★

[eager mulch]

that’s not true

game gives you plenty of bulins to be able to mlb your ships

people just aren’t patient enough

[worldly pewter]

laffei is sitting at 3★ for 5 months and a half now

[soft raft]

🆗

[viscid swift]

and you will get to her in time

[worldly pewter]

if i don't do that she will be 3★ for another 5 months at least

[sacred silo]

Also if I leave my guild do I keep all the guild upgrades I spent guild tokens on or is it wraps

[eager mulch]

you get 24 UR bulins a year + however many from new UR events and reruns

[soft raft]

if you mean regular laffey, she's a map drop pretty much everywhere (and purple bullins are aplenty)
if you mean laffey II, you cant even get any dupes outside of the one they provide in the shop lol

[remote yarrow]

You keep the ones you had but you will need to accumulate your Guild contribution yet again if you wanna keep on buying upgrades

[boreal wagon]

p sure the first number is the cap of ur current guild and the second number how much is added due to public guild having a higher cap i could be wrong tho

[remote yarrow]

Like the one you have "Buildable at 2400"

[wraith oyster]

Pulling dupes might actually be worth it here since they dropped 2 urs in same event

[viscid swift]

it is never worth pulling for dupes

[soft raft]

No lmao
the 2nd UR is in the shop and there is only one duplicate of that UR in the shop

[viscid swift]

and don't lull yourself into the trap you need to limit break and use every UR

[worldly pewter]

yeah i already made the calculations i already got massively unlucky for not getting 2 alsaces before the pity since that was the minumum i needed in order to get laffei to mlb this summer before the jp anni but

[wraith oyster]

Yeah so obv u need your bulins for that event ur and that means less for alsace

[soft raft]

that still doesnt justify pulling for dupes

[remote yarrow]

I think the "UR Bulin shortage" ppl are experiencing happened with Guam and Laffii Might be wrong

[wraith oyster]

Even so the reason you gave was still the opposite of saying why you shouldn't

[sacred silo]

Damn that kinda sucks for people who have been in a guild for a long time. Basically can't leave

[viscid swift]

that exasperated the issue but to be honest it was a problem foreseen well before then

[worldly pewter]

anyone who started during the guam event and only skipped kron will never catchup to mlb laffei if they don't get dupes

[remote yarrow]

Never is an exaggeration and you know it

[viscid swift]

you will, for a start has it occured that you don't need to MLB every UR and that you'll reach a point where you'll be caught up with reruns?

[remote yarrow]

Basically what's happening to me, skipped MLBing kron cuz I don't really need her and now with Vanguard's rerun I'll have enough bulins to catch up with whatever ship I don't have MLB

[soft raft]

Devs increased maxinum Spec Core income to the point that you can get 1.5 Bullins every month as well

[worldly pewter]

i won't mlb the URs i get ? it sounds so bad to begin with especially since i didn't have any ?
i had to do uvh soyuz then finish guam since she was sitting lb2 for 4 months

[viscid swift]

you will in time

[worldly pewter]

like man if u didn't start during the guam event at least calculate

[remote yarrow]

I mean, not finishing LB2 Guam before Soyuz and UvH seems like a you problem tho

[soft raft]

^

[boreal wagon]

you will always catch up in time AL is p good at making sure people can catch up and if they notice something isnt quite right they usually adjust it

[viscid swift]

what is there to calculate, you will eventually reach a point where supply outpaces demand and you'll be able to catch up

[worldly pewter]

no because she was lesser priority

[soft raft]

UR Bullin sources are also not limited to just Spec Core

• 30k event pt milestone rewards on UR events (15k on reruns)
• Lvl 100 Cruise Pass reward
• A one-time copy from spec core support plan

[boreal wagon]

spreading out bulins is p much always a bad idea even if smth is lower priority

[worldly pewter]

that is true but if someone keep getting 1 copy from the banner they will leave laffei at 3★ for a very long time

[remote yarrow]

You can always suggest they increase the cap over at #game-feedback if UR Bulins are your main problem with the game

[viscid swift]

who's to say

there's nothing to say the next UR will have priority over Laffey 2

just be patient

[worldly pewter]

for me the next UR is shinano which is another 4 bulins

[eager mulch]

laffey 3

[boreal wagon]

also if they keep giving us double URs any more common than now i doubt there is a world where bulin income isnt going up

[worldly pewter]

i might even forget vanguard at this point too

[boreal wagon]

tho i doubt we will get double UR this common and itll probably stay more of an exception

[worldly pewter]

yeah only old players would be able to mlb these double UR events

[boreal wagon]

especially after the whole mog conundrum

[soft raft]

Instantly during the event yes, but anyone can do that given enough time

[boreal wagon]

all it takes is a single rerun for a UR u already have to be caught up really

[worldly pewter]

i will tell u when i will mlb laffei that if i m still playing

and then u will see how much time it was from getting her until her mlb

that with me still going for pity for dupes for the jp anni

[soft raft]

Please dont go to pity for dupes
Unless you're like 10-20 pulls away from it and still have enough cubes to guarentee the next pity

[worldly pewter]

2 years ?

[boreal wagon]

i mean its gonna take a lot more than 2 years if u intentionally go for pity and hurt ur cube economy

[remote yarrow]

And if you compare your UR Bulin income with an old player's all that you'll get out of it is getting frustrated so I suggest you stop caring about others and just care about yourself

[worldly pewter]

i made the calculation mate it won't hurt the cube economy

[boreal wagon]

until u start caring about collection and the secret final boss known as elites screws you over

[worldly pewter]

no i always focus on the player standpoint so here is my standpoint not anyone else
or anyone who started during the period i started in

[remote yarrow]

But anyways

Anyone got an actual question that needs to be answered?

[wraith oyster]

Does alsace have her own gun or no

[eager mulch]

no

[remote yarrow]

Like event gun? nope

[viscid swift]

she has the main guns as the Richelieus

so the Quad 380mm is also technically her gun

[coral cairn]

I started with the Guam event. I MLB'd Guam, Laffey2 and UvH. I have all the other URs that came after that. I just take it slow and enjoy the ride.. that being said I still try to make informed decisions. Who do you think I should focus on MLBing next? I got Shinano too (and Haku dev25)

[sacred silo]

How often are UR events?

[remote yarrow]

Depends on your other URs

[remote yarrow]

Every 3 months or so

[soft raft]

We've basically narrowed them down to Febuary, May, September, and December

[viscid swift]

wait and see later for testing on Alsace between her and Soyuz

[coral cairn]

You mean who I have? I have all the ones released from Guam event onwards, like Soyuz, Uvh, Alsace, Mogador, Kron

[remote yarrow]

But MLB?

[coral cairn]

Guam, Laffey2 and UvH

[worldly pewter]

these are the new URs there are inbetween them reruns

[soft raft]

Alsace (Pending testing) = Soyuz > Mogador >= Kron

[remote yarrow]

Like Cheeky said either Alsace (wait for testing) or Soyuz

[wraith oyster]

Dont think i have a quad 380

[coral cairn]

I see, thanks!

[wraith oyster]

Got quad 356

[viscid swift]

that's the KGV's main, both are garbage though

[remote yarrow]

Anyways just use the standard guns, 406mk6 and Champy depending on what you are against

[wraith oyster]

Whats the champy gun again

[remote yarrow]

This one
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(Mle_1938_Prototype)

[hallow iron]

Omg d3 is easier than d2 lol

That support barrage is super helpful, btw at d3, I can finally buy the oil in event and still get surplus currency right?

[remote yarrow]

As long as you have oilcap I think so

[soft raft]

you'll make back the points spent if you grind D3 yee

[tame jungle]

how much was 3 runs, 800 oil?

[hallow iron]

This just means "if I can auto" right?

[soft raft]

yeah like 810

[remote yarrow]

801

[soft raft]

we mean "If you can grind the D maps"

[hallow iron]

I'm still manualing to get the safe threat

[tame jungle]

yeah so in that case you'll have 540 points for 800 oil, meaning you get like 90 more points + 200 oil left

[hallow iron]

Nice

[tame jungle]

honestly? just use your oil naturally then cash out for oil and coins near the end

[remote yarrow]

It's once you are on clearing mode

[eager mulch]

no it isn’t

[remote yarrow]

Wait it isnt?

[tame jungle]

event is still reeeeeaaaally long so i have my doubts on spending it now

[eager mulch]

no

clearing mode unlocks at 100% but that doesn’t make it safe immediately

[remote yarrow]

I meant it for oilcap tho

[hallow iron]

I think the question is for oil cap

The safe part don't worry, I just grind manually until it is

[remote yarrow]

Threat level goes down everytime you kill the boss

[hallow iron]

Manual still get oil cap I assume as long as I tick the clearing mode box

[hallow iron]

I had been running away from the elite enemy until boss appear lmao

[remote yarrow]

I could see the elite enemy being a nuance for new players

[tame jungle]

preload time

they're surprisingly tanky yeah, think they're heavy armor

[rigid spire]

Hello~

I started a day ago, and have been watching guides and such. But just wanted to know from an experienced player. How are my odds of getting Alsace as a F2P? Can I farm a decent amount of cubes? >>

[tame jungle]

how much do you have right now

[rigid spire]

It doesn't seem like there's any starter events or anything that'll push my gem count...^^

I've already rolled 20 times, and I have 550 gems. But I was hoping to save it for her outfit...

[tame jungle]

how many cubes i mean

[soft raft]

1. Read this https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips and dont watch YT Guides
2. We have no real way to quanitfy your chances
3. DONT SPEND F2P GEMS ON SKINS

[remote yarrow]

Hi, welcome to the game, first off youtube guides are mostly outdated, you are better off asking stuff here
About cubes you might get about 70+ before event ends

[viscid swift]

maybe I should make the calculator for estimating cube income

[misty tree]

I go to youtube for news. Sam is my source for guides

[remote yarrow]

F2P gems are really scarce so don't spend them on anything for now specially skins, ask us first if you are not sure on what you are doing

[tame jungle]

did a quick statistic calc for 70 cubes, chance is around 34%

which is not great

[rigid spire]

I've played a decent amount of other gacha games, but maybe it's because it's day 2 that I'm having trouble looking for stuff (Where to find evo mats, crafting items), and I've just been running 2-4 for exp because my teams are currently just level 25ish

[misty tree]

So youre saying theres a chance….

[rigid spire]

Or maybe I'm just too early to unlock all that stuff?

[tame jungle]

honestly? i think we'll see you at the rerun lol...

[remote yarrow]

Read what Blaster linked you and I present you your bible https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/index

[rigid spire]

I shall give it a read, thank you~

[chilly birch]

Once a PR/DR ship is at FS Dev 30 is there any reason to save their blueprints or should I just convert them to spend in the proto shop?

[tame jungle]

the latter

(assuming you mean dev30 FS5 with that)

[remote yarrow]

Any questions you got regarding about certain stuff about the guides just ask them even if they sound dumb, we are here to help

[soft raft]

the latter if they're FS5
if they're just D30 and they dont have a FS5, depends on if you want to save for the FS5 or nah

[sharp token]

you could get 168 cubes per month, so 3per day 12 a week and 30 for the attendance you can also get more from commission but it's rng am i right?

[viscid swift]

the minimum number of cubes net earned from now until the end of the event is actually 116 not including cruise pass, commissions, event log in stuff, etc or this week's worth of weekly missions

[chilly birch]

Yip got most of them at FS5, sorry didn't explain that properly

[tame jungle]

it's ok, i figured lol

[remote yarrow]

On average for an active player it's like 200 per month

[chilly birch]

Cool I'll convert those then thanks, can probably get a new Tenrai finally

[remote yarrow]

I'm curious will he be able to get the UR gun as a first day player until the end of the event?

[tame jungle]

wait, weren't we going to get the NJ gun in gear lab?

[remote yarrow]

Supposedly coming Soon ™️

[tame jungle]

ok i will wait faster

[turbid shell]

do azur lane have invite friend referral code system?

[misty tree]

NJ has a gun?

[tame jungle]

not anymore

[eager mulch]

June 6th

[tame jungle]

they took her fucking gun

[remote yarrow]

Yes, this one https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(16"/50_Mk_7)

[whole crypt]

Mk7 should be either this week or the next

[tame jungle]

awesome

can't wait to spend 4 billion electronics

[eager mulch]

tbh I struggle to use more than 1 HE BB gun in my opsi fleets

[whole crypt]

expect it to be the same ballpark as 457

[topaz smelt]

im willing to bet it wont cost electronics

[whole crypt]

bold choice there when every other gold or higher BB gun has costed electronics

[viscid swift]

yes, June 6th

[whole crypt]

already confirmed?

[frosty slate]

Hey guys, is there a guide of which gear is the best to put on every girl?

[whole crypt]

depends™️

[eager mulch]

gear is dependent on content

[whole crypt]

smol FdG is this week right?

[frosty slate]

Oh... well, i don't care for pvp, so would be for W14, W15, OpSi and Hard W13

[viscid swift]

should be

[whole crypt]

ch15 will work for 13H, 14 might take some tweaking, OS will be different gearing

so again, depends™️

[frosty slate]

Damn, so is there a guide for W14 and OpSi? those two are my priorities now

[eager mulch]

smolmagi > smoldg

[whole crypt]

fdsmol

[boreal wagon]

they had an opportunity to name her Friedrich der Kleine but they didnt

[paper lantern]

is it too early for alsace prelims besides the usual "gacha ur = really good"

asking mostly for investment purposes, since i already have one

[worldly pewter]

in order to increase ur odds u need to do a risky sweaty move
playing on multiple accounts

[whole crypt]

guess EN decided not to take the chance with the name

[boreal wagon]

yeah its fair but it would have made sense

[rigid spire]

LOL I prefer not to... I just wanted to get my account working optimally is all~

[primal yew]

Im a returning player could anyone please help me out with building a team for World 15?

[whole crypt]

#bot-spam /w15

[worldly pewter]

optimally u want to make multiple accounts and the one that hits alsace the first u keep and throw the others

[south sequoia]

Pretty much

[primal yew]

Oh alr

[old warren]

How good is the new dd gun?

[south sequoia]

but we should be able to start doing tests soon-ish, maybe by friday or thursday give or take

[paper lantern]

gotcha. thanks

[south sequoia]

best dd gun for 95% of dds

[remote yarrow]

Multiple accounts is not necessary at all wdym

[worldly pewter]

insanely broken

[worldly pewter]

do u understand what optimally means

[sacred silo]

You should be able to get at least 161 cubes + whatever cubes you get from the cruise mission and event stuff so at least 80 pulls?

[remote yarrow]

You are fine, URs are really good to have overall but are not necessary at all to progress early on, so don't really worry about not getting her if that happens

[viscid swift]

Having alsace is far from necessary for an optimal start

[boreal wagon]

its not really optimal either considering how much of a time sink rerolling is

[primal yew]

Can anyone help me with who this gun belongs to

[stark quiver]

what gun

[remote yarrow]

That's Unzen's

[stark quiver]

this was unzen's gun, good for ca's

[primal yew]

Ah alr thanks

So far I missed Guam, Laff II, and that Soviet UR how screwed am I for missing out on em

[worldly pewter]

2 meta pvp ships that is all

[remote yarrow]

Guam and Laffii are really useful in W15 but people were still able to beat it before they released

[rigid spire]

Yeahhh... But the skin pulled me into the game again T_T

I don't mind spending a bit but I just wanna keep it to a minimum... ^^"

[viscid swift]

Well w15 won't be as easy but you'll manage

[primal yew]

Alr thanks y’all

[fiery pelican]

Should I get my 2nd Wyvern?

[remote yarrow]

If you manage to get her from Gacha you can get her skin from the $10 gems since it's 600x2 and her's is 1180 so good luck

[whole crypt]

sure

[stark quiver]

get 2nd wyvern and try to get 2nd tenrai

[fiery pelican]

okay thx

[whole crypt]

Tenrai is eh

unless you're still working on PR4 that's a little rough

[fiery pelican]

Yes I'm still on PR4

[rigid spire]

Prayge~

How do I efficiently level up my units and progress right now? It seems getting purple gear is kinda hard right now...

[remote yarrow]

Get yourself the recommended starter fleet and try to push campaign

Don't really know when you should transition into the event tho probably once you reach W3 or 4

[rigid spire]

Yeahhh, the event seemed difficult, lol

[stark quiver]

recommended starter fleet

[remote yarrow]

In this case Laffey is whoever you got as an starter DD if you don't have her

[rigid spire]

I mean, retrofitting takes a while I'm guessing?

[remote yarrow]

Yeah Unicorn which should be your first one will probably take you between 1 or 2 weeks

[fiery pelican]

What should I get from gear lab other than wyvern? or should I get my third one? xD

[atomic rock]

Do u need to clear hard mode to unlock sp

[remote yarrow]

Yes, clear D3

[atomic rock]

[stark quiver]

hold up

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[sacred silo]

why is helena reccomended as a starter? Ik shes good mid-late game but early game?

[stark quiver]

good for early game as well, youll use her until like w13

[boreal wagon]

i mean more damage is more damage

even if unreliable at times

[fiery pelican]

Hmm maybe that AA gun

[remote yarrow]

And why not get a ship that you will use for most content early on

[crisp estuary]

MGM+1 is always nice for new players

[stark quiver]

id say prolly 3rd tenrai, get a 457, and then AA guns, and probably DD gun as well

[wind hazel]

wyvern you mean

[sacred silo]

idk her radar scan is so rng especially if its not high level and its hard to get radar scan uptime to line up (i never play manual tho so maybe its easier)

[stark quiver]

wyvern yes

[stark quiver]

she does good damage

[crisp estuary]

What, you cannot craft Tenrai? Account issue

[wind hazel]

not from gear lab

[boreal wagon]

if rng is ur argument/problem then shes just never a valid ship

[night pumice]

should I take my starter fleet to lvl 125

[stark quiver]

no

[remote yarrow]

Prob not all of them

[wind hazel]

no, except maybe helena and unicorn, but even then it's not a priority

[stark quiver]

get uni to 125 for sure

[night pumice]

which ones then? helena, enty, unicorn?

[crisp estuary]

You will have new ships before you even get to 125. The grind is that long

[remote yarrow]

Yeah, those sound fine

[night pumice]

my starter fleet is about to hit lvl 120 and I haven't began w9 or a second fleet

[wind hazel]

[remote yarrow]

But keep in mind Arrays are really scarce so you'll only be able to have a few 125 meanwhile you'll have alot of 120s

[remote yarrow]

You should probably try to level a second fleet on D3 in the meantime

[crisp estuary]

What fox hell have you been grinding that you are near 120 and have not yet done ch 9

[night pumice]

can I just dump my dock in a thread and get some opinions on a second fleet then

[remote yarrow]

Sure, go ahead

[sacred silo]

lvl 10 and retrofit makes her more consistent but i feel like thats not early game anymore

[crisp estuary]

Also I keep forgetting they smoothened and reduced the exp to get to 120 ever since level 125 was introduced

[stark quiver]

it takes a few days to level up skills

[remote yarrow]

Helena doesn't really need retrofit tho

[boreal wagon]

i think u missed the point i was trying to make

[wind hazel]

60% is still 60% lol

also nobody cares about syncing with her radar scan in campaign

if she procs it, good. if she doesn't, she's still a good ship to use in campaign

[stark quiver]

she just is a good all rounder ship and doesnt get melted in campaign, which makes her good

[remote yarrow]

It's just a bonus thing, if it happens +40% dmg, if it doesn't it's just

[boreal wagon]

she also buffs all damage, so she always brings something to the table even unsynced

[crisp estuary]

I care. Otherwise I would just use an ARA

[hard mesa]

um how big 8% crit buff is?

[boreal wagon]

we are talking about early on tho

[stark quiver]

are u tryna buy the black ammo shell?

[crisp estuary]

In campaign implies almost all campaign

[boreal wagon]

it was poorly worded on their end probably

[wind hazel]

campaign is all about staggering anyway, syncing is not even a consideration, idk what you're trying to say shipwrite

[crisp estuary]

Staggering is for ch 14+, no?

[wind hazel]

it applies to generally all campaign

[stark quiver]

staggering is when u dont wnna die cuz no support

[crisp estuary]

And in there, Helena is not in the top team

[wind hazel]

nobody is talking about w14+

[hard mesa]

oh just buff in general. some ships have crit rate buff but dont know how much value the buff. only obvious crit rate/crit dmg buff value are zwei and unzen skill

[crisp estuary]

There's no reason to not sync boss fleets in ch 13 and lower.

[wind hazel]

idk what to tell you

[boreal wagon]

any buff to critical is generally a non-zero impact and worthwhile (exceptions may apply)

[crisp estuary]

Who would you rather have in ch 14+ if you stagger: Helena or Hammann II?

[wind hazel]

neither

[boreal wagon]

i think we established that u are missing the point

[wind hazel]

very much so

[remote yarrow]

idk why guys try to convince shipwrite when he's always been as dense as a rock

[crisp estuary]

What point? I'm talking about the value of Helena when your strikes are not in sync. I do not care what your convo is with the other guy. My convo is with Mori about sync, not the value of Helena in the early game

[solid sorrel]

Which one i should exchange first the rainbow gun or meta crystal

[wind hazel]

people don't use helena at the point you're trying to talk about

[remote yarrow]

Gun

[wind hazel]

so it's equally invalid argument all together >_>

[solid sorrel]

Ok

[crisp estuary]

Precisely. Because you cannot make full use of her debuff when your backline are not firing at the same time

[wind hazel]

???

ok you win

[stark quiver]

kinda bad if u need debuff for w14

[boreal wagon]

do u realistically ever need a debuff

[crisp estuary]

Yes. Back when we were capped at 120 and had no URs, Helena was really great for ch 13 because she makes your dps threshold easier

[boreal wagon]

weird i cleared chapter 13 without her and without a ur

i think that proves you dont need it

[crisp estuary]

Note that I said easier

[viscid swift]

This isn't 2019

[crisp estuary]

And yet we are still arguing about Helena 🏃‍♂️

[viscid swift]

Honestly I don't know why anyone bothers...

[wind hazel]

more like you deriling the entire topic

we all were talking about how good helena is to a beginner fleet...

[crisp estuary]

It started with the sync thing

[worldly pewter]

i use helena against rodney am i doing something wrong ?

[wind hazel]

and we established that nobody cares about sync

[viscid swift]

And a new player still one Fleeting isn't going to be syncing their main fleet to helena

[crisp estuary]

Probably not. I have not done meta fights in a while but I used her before in meta fights

[topaz smelt]

Fuck Helena

[crisp estuary]

Up until ch 14, a new-ish player could. It makes his job easier

[viscid swift]

I am

[boreal wagon]

by far the easiest is to just accept we all have different opinions and are all talking about different points in the game of varying account age

[night pumice]

could I get some opinions on what I can make a second fleet with in my dock

[viscid swift]

Sure, start a thread and post your dock

[night pumice]

Fleet Help

[silver lintel]

Is this ex light armor?

[stark quiver]

heavy

[crisp estuary]

Aight, I saved my bulins for this.

I have enough to mlb. Who to mlb first: Soyuz, Laffey 2, Alsace?

[alpine ether]

u only need one copy of bearn because shes a meta ship right

[stark quiver]

one copy and 4 crystals, so 5 copies

[alpine ether]

is there a need for me to buy the one from the shop if i got one from b3 just now

[viscid swift]

No

[stark quiver]

if you want to mlb, which is up to you, i dont see her bring very useful tho

[boreal wagon]

then ud buy the crystals not her copy

[viscid swift]

Buy crystals for that not the actual copy

[stark quiver]

wait yea

[stark quiver]

have u done w15?

[alpine ether]

thank you for the help everyone

[boreal wagon]

al = soy > laff2

[winter dagger]

Does anyone know when rondo at rainbow end might re run?
I really like the Emden skin but don't have her.. I would like to buy it... But kinda feels bad if I can't get Emden for a long time.

[boreal wagon]

it should be the next event to rerun as far as we know

[viscid swift]

It might be the next event to be rerun, when exactly who knows

I'd pretty confidently say before September if it is next though

[winter dagger]

Hmm might be worth it to buy the skin now I guess, love the look of skin and Emden ❤️ ty

The love heart is for Emden =p

[forest palm]

probably fill out the next to months with 2 reruns, a raid, and PR7

[viscid swift]

Why 2 reruns?

[remote yarrow]

Emden and Vanguard maybe

[viscid swift]

Well yeah but why 2

[remote yarrow]

[forest palm]

just to fill out June, and July

[viscid swift]

Typically thos period is usually just 1

[stark quiver]

should i focus on brest research or kearsarge, 250 left for brest and 350 left for kear

[viscid swift]

Not to mention there's usually some big event at the end of july

[forest palm]

Brest

[pseudo hearth]

Is NC’s augment good? I took a look at it and it seems quite unique.

[forest palm]

exactly to fill out July why not just jam Vany before a major

[viscid swift]

It makes her not terrible

But she still falls short of a secondary healer compared to just about all the other options

[forest palm]

for the cost, and resources NC is just not worthwhile imo

[viscid swift]

Like of you gave the Aug to any half decent BB it would probably be great

But NC is not half decent

[pseudo hearth]

Tbf, decreasing AA damage taken is arguably a great skill, especially in the late worlds.

[viscid swift]

It is but running her loses you air space control value and damage period

[crisp estuary]

Those same worlds need high dps to complete

[viscid swift]

So it's at best a net neutral

Compared to like Aquila, Volga or even Perseus

[pseudo hearth]

Understandable

[crisp estuary]

Wait, we are talking about the same NC, right?

[forest palm]

what NC offers with an augment doesn't compare to what is currently on the market for AA

it's that simple

[crisp estuary]

NorCal Retro soon

[stark quiver]

how many skyraiders were u able to buy from york2 shop

[viscid swift]

1

[forest palm]

it's always 1 with events

[crisp estuary]

Pray for a bug that resets event inventory

[eager mulch]

i wonder if they’re gonna keep the hvar drop rates

[frank pulsar]

i hope not

[eager mulch]

why not

[solid sorrel]

Can i know farm which event chapter is the most efficient

[remote yarrow]

D3 > D1 > C2 > B3

[solid sorrel]

Ok tq

[still merlin]

is the new event torp any good or just sidegrade?

[plain saffron]

Wish granted, now everyone lose everything in their storage

[frank pulsar]

wait hvar had boosted drop rate right? i misrmbed nvm

[frank pulsar]

its not great for auto, can be good for manual

[soft raft]

buy it anyways

[still merlin]

is it good for a general torp ship or is it meant to be nuke for shima

[silver lintel]

Was great while its bugged

[soft raft]

there are better options if you want nuke torps for Shima

[still merlin]

yep ik i got ur on her

[split umbra]

How do I farm this faster?

[soft raft]

take three applicable ships and go grind a oil cap map
ideally W12, at least W9

[viscid swift]

Farm w12+ with 3 applicable ships

[remote yarrow]

Thing is do you even have 3 ships for that, aren't you new to the game?

[split umbra]

I have them but they are low levels

[soft raft]

Are you even at W9 yet

[rigid spire]

How do you get medals for the shop? .-.

[soft raft]

Scrapping rare and above rarity ships
Ideally duplicates

[still merlin]

type 98 kai or the twin 183 on laffey?

[eager mulch]

weekly missions

twin 138.6

[split umbra]

Yes I cleared to 10-3 but the applicable ships are low level cant clear w9

[remote yarrow]

Maybe level them in D3 then while you farm points

[viscid swift]

Farm with them in D3 then

And then after you're done farming the event push the main campaign to w12 first then continue farming xo for brest

[remote yarrow]

That's Brest?

oh right 1.2m

[split umbra]

Hmm okay so if i do d3 should i carry all 3 since they are quite weak or just 1 or 2 at a time?

[viscid swift]

As many as you can

[split umbra]

Yes it's for Brest

[remote yarrow]

probably level them to like ... 50~60 if possible with books and bring like 2 first

[split umbra]

Okay I see does it matter if they die? Do they still gain abit of exp?

[remote yarrow]

You don't want them to die ideally

[split umbra]

Oh alright! Thanks I guess i will slowly grind them and try out

[alpine ether]

do i just wait for the bearn meta crystal to come into rotation in the meta shop to lb her? or is there something i need to do

wait im dumb as hell its in the event shop

[icy mountain]

wth, musashi negates ramming ships??

[soft raft]

Brest is the least of your concerns when you're only just at oil cap

go read this https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[plain saffron]

Suicide dmg yes

[remote yarrow]

~~So she's Mogador's counter ~~

[split umbra]

Meaning? I though they catch-up event will make sense to research her also ?

[remote yarrow]

Not at all, just take it as a bonus

It's recommended to follow that guide better

[soft raft]

No lmao
It's just bonus freebies

[silver lintel]

30bps are peanuts

[eager mulch]

not even 5% of the bps needed

[split umbra]

Oh okay

[dire vapor]

I need help, how do I get alsace on my next pull, 140 draws and I’m out of cubes

[eager mulch]

ask #al-general

[soft raft]

Dunno what you thought we could tell you except pray to RNGesus so

[remote yarrow]

pray to some higher being I guess good luck

[soft raft]

Also you have like 2 and a half weeks left to get her so you got time

[split umbra]

So for the research how exactly should I follow the guide? Do I do PR1 clear all ships then move on to PR2 etc?

[soft raft]

your research priority should be
Do FdG asap (If needed, get Roon first for tech points) > All of PR4 > At least Plymouth from PR5 > Everyone else

And then set your research focus to PR4

[alpine ether]

will bearn meta crystals go to the regular meta shop after the event ends or do i have to use event currency now to get them from the event shop

[soft raft]

they will appear in the META shop after the event ends

[viscid swift]

in between unlocking at least one ship from 1,2, and 3 to convert catchups to prototype cores

[alpine ether]

thank you for the help

[viscid swift]

I would rather farm the extra event points though to get her crystals now

[split umbra]

Oh okay got it thanks! DO i need FdG if I have NJ and Soyuz?

[atomic abyss]

Absolutely

[eager mulch]

I’d rather have FdG than not have FdG

[remote yarrow]

She's a pretty solid ship, yes

[eager mulch]

someone just portdolled me

[split umbra]

Ah i see alright I will start on FdG then. Thanks all!

[atomic abyss]

A typical BB boss fleet for opsiren needs 3 BBs to begin with
And even when you have more than 3 then she can just do mobbing for opsi and campaign

[eager mulch]

FdG in W14 (before musashi)

[split umbra]

Okay got it!

But I don't have enough Iron Blood tech only 470/630, what should i do?

[soft raft]

Grind Divergent Chessboard

[viscid swift]

might want to give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

but for now your primary goal should be farming the event and afterwards pushing the main campaign to W12

[wintry quartz]

what ur gear from the gear lab should i craft first?

[soft raft]

like at least 2 Wyverns

[split umbra]

Is this the war archive? I cleared it

[soft raft]

Yes
you repeatadely grind it until you get all of the drop ships

MLB'ing all of them alone is barely enough to unlock FdG

[split umbra]

Yes I'm farming the event , but i stop pushing , should i continue pushing during the event or just farming the event until it ends then push?

[soft raft]

farm the event during the event

[viscid swift]

push after you finish farming the event

[remote yarrow]

push once you are done farming, probably around 55k or whenever you got everything you wanted

[split umbra]

Oh I see! Alright i will go get the ships and MLB them

[wintry quartz]

i dont have enough electronic components for that 😭

[soft raft]

Welcome to the grind

[split umbra]

Okay! Just to check what is the droprate for Béarn META in the event maps?

[soft raft]

We have no clue
We legit dont

[split umbra]

Oh I see I was looking the the wiki and they didn't state

[wintry quartz]

is the wyvern the best to prioritize by a lot? or is there other stuff that is worth it that has similar value

[inner delta]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[inner delta]

Dis @wintry quartz

[wintry quartz]

yea i forgot about that

[inner delta]

2 or 3 wyvern is enough

[wintry quartz]

Does the wyvern converge?

[inner delta]

No

[soft raft]

no, it's parallel
The main draw of Wyvern is that it's capable of passive interception much like fighters do

[wintry quartz]

so ur carriers stay hidden

[inner delta]

Wyvern alone isnt enough

[ruby skiff]

how's mogador?

[inner delta]

Pretty whacky atm

[soft raft]

Still janky af
None of the buffs have hit EN yet

[ruby skiff]

worth raising?

[wintry quartz]

Which should i swap out?

[inner delta]

For now its not fully worth

[wintry quartz]

of the cvs

[inner delta]

Preferably not dual stop but who else you have

[soft raft]

Yeet AvP for another damage CV
Implacable is already doing her job better

[inner delta]

Just do enty then

[soft raft]

Yeah Enty for now
then replace her with Shinano once she's properly raised

[wintry quartz]

yea

i plan on using enty for a fleet with kear and york tho

[inner delta]

Better raise shinano then

[soft raft]

that wouldnt have a slow tho
Which is where AvP comes in for a comp of Kear/Yk2/AvP

[viscid swift]

you still want a slow so better to fo Kearsraje, Yorktown 2, AvP/Implacable

in fact if you actually have a Dev 30 Kearsarge I'd stick Implacable with them over with Enterprise and Haku

[wintry quartz]

wait for slows u need converging torps tho?

[viscid swift]

a slow/stop helps with landing all types of weapons

[vale spindle]

slow helps with rockets too

[viscid swift]

bombs, rockets, BB shells, everything

[wintry quartz]

parallel doesnt tho

[soft raft]

yeah
and converging torps are the whole point of syncing comps

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

parallel is more for general campaign where syncing doesnt matter

[viscid swift]

you wouldn't use parallel torp bombers on a single target boss

[wintry quartz]

yea

i just have like no converging torps cuz im broke

[solid sorrel]

Is unicorn retrofit good in long term

[viscid swift]

absolutely

she will be used all the way into end game

[solid sorrel]

Ok

[rapid grail]

a staple of mob fleet

[solid sorrel]

How about ayanami retrofit

[viscid swift]

Ayanami barely get's used at all

[rapid grail]

Alright and workable. Better options exist but she can do a good chunk of Campaign

[viscid swift]

she's also heavily dependent on manual play

[still merlin]

How does mogador compare to laffey cause from my point laffey just better in every way. Does mogador fill a niche or something?

[frank pulsar]

i hit 30k pts, should i just go back to 12-4 for more coin and exp or continue d3 for the gold plates

[viscid swift]

Mogador does more damage and is pretty much worse in all other regards

[frank pulsar]

im like dead broke on coin rn cuz of gacha

[viscid swift]

think of her as a Shima but gun rather than torp focused

[atomic abyss]

Gun focused Shima sounds like the best comparison yes

[still merlin]

Oki

But is her dmg that impactful compared to like gun focused dd like Tashkent or even light cruiser??

And also wats with the suicide skill

[wintry quartz]

uh

[viscid swift]

last I checked math had her damage somewhere between Plymouth and Hindenburg

[atomic abyss]

Her dps isn't exactly low by any means

[still merlin]

Damn alright

[atomic abyss]

As for the "suicide" skill
They seem to have fixed it in the other servers so she doesn't die in average use cases at least

[frank pulsar]

[atomic abyss]

Is 30k even a lot...

[viscid swift]

I mean up to you at that point

[versed elk]

just hit 55k lol

[remote yarrow]

You can do whatever, there's 17 days left, go farm some coins and come back

[versed elk]

gold plate is huge time gate resource

[rapid grail]

Farm D3 until you get enough points to buy what you need/want from the Event shop

Then go back to campaign

[atomic abyss]

30k is enough to get you the 2nd mog copy but not the UR gun
And if you get the UR gun you can't get the second mog copy with just that

[hard mesa]

30k should fine, provided you already got every thing from shop

[frank pulsar]

i dont need anything from event shop, ill just stop then

[viscid swift]

yeah but there's also 17 more days worth of SP, and daily missions worth to do, and if you do that sort of stuff easy node daily first clear bonus

[atomic abyss]

You might want to do some calculations then

[versed elk]

ull hit about 50k cus total is 1250/day

[rapid grail]

in what date will this event end

[wintry quartz]

12th i think?

[viscid swift]

June 13th server time

[frank pulsar]

im not gonna bother with second mog copy

[wintry quartz]

why not?

[rapid grail]

Okay thst is a lot of time

[frank pulsar]

cuz its a pain

[versed elk]

[frank pulsar]

im not in a rush to lb her anyway

[wintry quartz]

one less bulin

[versed elk]

12-4 brainrot is crazy to the point you would give up free urin as newbie

[rapid grail]

I like having dupes of URs casually chilling around my dock

[wintry quartz]

.

[atomic abyss]

I mean I also am guilty of sitting in 12-4 for way too long
But I wouldn't sacrifice an event for it

[wintry quartz]

they should add trading and gambling to azur lane 👍

[atomic abyss]

[hard mesa]

[soft raft]

[versed elk]

even so im probably raising the 2nd mog if she gets buffed appreciably

[viscid swift]

there's already gambling since it's a gacha game and trading is just a disaster waiting to happen

[atomic abyss]

Ah yes that'll actually raise the game rating to 17+

[rapid grail]

trade oil when pl0x

[versed elk]

ill trade lexi over to amagi

[wintry quartz]

gem gambling

[versed elk]

all my 400+ 120s

i dont wanna maintain 2 accs anymore

[wintry quartz]

what

[elfin hollow]

Bunker hill is good?

[viscid swift]

not particularly

[soft raft]

you will highly likely already be using better options than her to get her in the first place

[viscid swift]

she's kinda on lower end of the essex class

[atomic abyss]

Her kit is just... A weird mish mash

I feel like Kear is what bunker could have been

[frank pulsar]

i dont need anything besides the gear, bearm and mog

[viscid swift]

famous last words

[winter dagger]

Hey do they offer new packs at the start of the month?

[frank pulsar]

no seriously, i got too many chips and im done with research

[frank pulsar]

the shop packs? those usually come with events afaik

[soft raft]

No

[hard mesa]

Whose skin on next cruise pass?

[frank pulsar]

if youre talking abt the pack that give 4k oil thats weekly

[viscid swift]

Attilio Regolo

[winter dagger]

Rip... 100 cubes in and still no Alsace, was hoping new month would bring cube packs

[wintry quartz]

when do yall think vanguard is getting a rerun?

[viscid swift]

sometime this year

[frank pulsar]

right after the next ur is my guess, but we have no concrete date

[viscid swift]

if I were to call sometime between after the JP Anni and the November collab event

[wintry quartz]

whole reason why i started playing this game only to miss the event by 2 days 😭

welp

[woeful laurel]

Based on my current fleet tech, could you tell me if I need to work on something in particular or if it is good enough/safe for me to not care about for a while?

[viscid swift]

well fleet tech is by an large just extra

[muted mason]

I'm comparing to NJ gun... Is this french gun viable? If so for what ship?

[soft raft]

Any gunboat DD
It's most certainly not a high priority for backliners, esp sine there's only 1 copy of that gun

[atomic abyss]

^its a waste to put it on NJ

[muted mason]

Laffey II for example?

[viscid swift]

The Twin 137mm can only be used on BBs anyway....

[open agate]

How 2 use

[viscid swift]

pretty much any vanguard that doesn't use the 76mm wants that gun

[muted mason]

Okay, ty

[atomic abyss]

Putting aside the fact that the tutorial teaches you

Press add a student
Choose a ship you use
Choose a skill

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Living_Area#Academy

[remote yarrow]

If you have Unicorn level up her Heal

[open agate]

i forgor tutorial

[open agate]

oooh ok thanks?
does it have cost?

[atomic abyss]

The skill books

[open agate]

ow ok

wat book 2 use?

[atomic abyss]

Red skill so red books

[soft raft]

the book that has the same color as the skill you're upgrading

[atomic abyss]

Which rarity depends on jow often you'll be online to replenish it

[open agate]

Oooh ok thanks

the golden red book?

[open agate]

oooh ok ok

wait how easy are they to get?

Also did prinz eugen

[atomic abyss]

If you play the game consistently

[soft raft]

Frankly dont invest in her
You're better off raising Portland (Though her skills themselves arent really worth raising)

[open agate]

bruv i just did it

[remote yarrow]

What's your team btw you might been using not the best choice of ships if Eugen is one of them

[atomic abyss]

You can safely replenish what's lost if you consistently level 2 characters

[open agate]

do i cancel?

[plain saffron]

Wait until it's done

[soft raft]

No cuz you dont get the book back

[open agate]

ow ok

[soft raft]

Also you might want to give this a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[open agate]

alrighty thanks

[plain saffron]

Though the book not that scarce so maybe cancel? Idk

I value the time more

[open agate]

ow ok

[plain saffron]

Up to you i guess

[crimson grove]

whats the armor type of the EX Boss

[open agate]

what does retrofit blueprint does?

[pulsar hornet]

So having a bit of trouble doing the Takao fight. Any suggestions on here?

[snow radish]

when is THAT prinz adalbert skin available for sale in EN?

[south sequoia]

Throw your hardest hitting ships

takaos boss fight is as simple as "hit harder"

[remote yarrow]

Soon ™️ I think next week

[south sequoia]

It is used for retrofitting

retrofit is basically evolving a ship

[snow radish]

That soon? Nice ty

[pulsar hornet]

Fair enough. BB or CV? Just abit annoyed at this fight

[remote yarrow]

Tho try to ask #al-general for skin related stuff next time, they know better than us most times

[south sequoia]

it gives them better stats, a new art, new skills/upgraded skills, sometimes they change their hulls, sometimes they have new weapon slots

[south sequoia]

Either works, but I used cv for this fight

[open agate]

"Wisdom Cubes should only be used on Event banners, indicated by the text that says EVENT when choosing a build pool. The Event build pool also contains permanent pool ships alongside the rate-up Event ships." AAAAAA I wasted a few cubes on the permanent💀💀💀

[snow radish]

Ok will do. Ty again 🙇‍♂️

[open agate]

wait wrong reply

[south sequoia]

just use top, the bottom 2 are experimental

[still merlin]

Who has priority for the twin 138.6

[remote yarrow]

Whoever you are using that wants a strong DD gun, Harbin, DDGs, FP focused DDs

Or you can be like turtle and slap in on NJ's secondary

[plain saffron]

Just few cubes, not a big deal tbh

As long as it's not related to gems, your account is fine

[strong tartan]

what ddg is better solo

[atomic abyss]

Not TY
I think An Shan has better solo buffs

Unless your solo backline is like Soyuz
In which CC might be better

[strong tartan]

it's just uni

[atomic abyss]

An Shan it is then

[strong tartan]

okay

[stone sluice]

So Tai Yuan relies on other CN ships but is not that good by herself?

[atomic abyss]

Tai Yuan needs a full fucking fleet to proc her buffs

That's literally her s1

The main advantage is that she doesn't have to be with DE/other DDGs to use her buffs

Cc can use her buff on her own yes, but it's a bit weird if you're not gonna field other DE/NP ships

Same for AnShan

[viscid swift]

It's less so that

[atomic abyss]

Also the spec core

[viscid swift]

And moreso Tai Yuan's barrages are better which give her the edge for damage more than anything else

[atomic abyss]

And so we wait for Fu Shun now

[stone sluice]

[open agate]

ow ok thanks

[remote yarrow]

Am I illiterate or isn't this the same but with some words changed? I'm illiterate

[viscid swift]

she buffs her torp stat now post retro

[remote yarrow]

oh nvm TRP 🏃‍♂️

[rigid spire]

Is Vampire Meta decent to start? I'm guessing the cruise thing is the monthly pass? >>

[viscid swift]

Nope

[remote yarrow]

Nope, almost all of the Cruise pass ships are bad

[rigid spire]

Aw, she's cute :c

[remote yarrow]

With the exception of Fortune for pvp

[atomic abyss]

Is vamp meta even better than her og

[smoky palm]

How strong does your sub fleet need to be in order to beat the level 95 supply line disruption?

Ik Royal Fortune can clear it super easy but that's only if you have her specific gear which was event exclusive...

This is my sub fleet rn and I plan on fully limit breaking U-96 at the beginning of next month once I see if she's in the medal shop that way I don't waste a gold bulin..

And two of them each have one level 10 bidder

[atomic abyss]

You absolutely don't need good gear

Lv100 is more than sufficient

[south sequoia]

any of them have any useful tech?

[atomic abyss]

It's... For a lack of a better word
A skill issue

[south sequoia]

my wishing well is just these 5, bremerton and then taihou and alba muse

[atomic abyss]

Like legitimately, all you need to do is kill the cargo boats

[keen sable]

I would say 115 +8 gear

[blissful hamlet]

Taihou give avi tech

[smoky palm]

I mean I haven't really tried the higher difficulties yet so I'll see how it goes tomorrow 🤷‍♂️

[south sequoia]

no its just taihou muse

[remote yarrow]

There's no Taihou in that image tho

Plus it's muse so no tech

[jaunty vault]

/wiki fleet technology

[strong tartan]

Loser

[blissful hamlet]

The only good tech I see is kuybyev and Bremerton but they on separate pool

[remote yarrow]

Kuybyshev gives FP I guess

[blissful hamlet]

I'd do kuybysev

[atomic abyss]

/wiki Fleet Technology

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology

[atomic abyss]

Cooper does nimi just hate you

[remote yarrow]

Admin powers

[eager mulch]

it was cooler when cooper did it

[south sequoia]

is nimi even caps sensitive

[strong tartan]

do you have to capitalize it

[atomic abyss]

I'm pretty sure you do not

[strong tartan]

/wiki fleet technology

[remote yarrow]

I think nimi is sensitive towards cooper

[strong tartan]

lol cooperphobic

[jaunty vault]

no i just did not want embed to take half the screen so i asked nimi to not do it

[south sequoia]

just deleting that to not flood

[strong tartan]

thx cleaur

[crisp estuary]

[novel condor]

Cope

[sharp socket]

fleet tech and its stat boost disappear when the ship that gives it isnt in your dock right

[viscid swift]

Nope

[sharp socket]

wut

so stat increase and fleet tech stay even after ship is retired?

[eager mulch]

they permanent

[remote yarrow]

Yeah otherwise everyone would need 700+ dockspace

[eager mulch]

we still do tho

[sharp socket]

oh thats great

[remote yarrow]

Sorry I'm at 400 only

[sharp socket]

i thought that was the reason to buy more dockspace

[eager mulch]

cheeky is f2p and he has more than I do

[remote yarrow]

cheeky is a f2p menace

[eager mulch]

goes to show how old he is

[remote yarrow]

AL grandpa

[viscid swift]

December 2020 isn't old...

[sharp socket]

well then that means my dock can shrink significantly

[viscid swift]

Not by AL standards anyway

[vale spindle]

just pray that a ship doesn't get a retrofit after you delete them

[sharp socket]

though i gotta make sure not to retire those that have my saved gear on them

[vale spindle]

if you do retire a ship with gear, the game should prompt you with a warning saying "hey there was equipped gear what do you want to do with them" or something similar, so if you don't spam click you should be fine

[sharp socket]

ah yea alright

[ivory crown]

what do i go for

[viscid swift]

Read the pins

[digital vault]

How's the 2 new URs compared to the current meta?

[sharp socket]

is the 3+2 torp better than quad mag torp for ayanami

[jaunty vault]

its better if you manual

quad mags better on auto

[fleet marlin]

Alsace is vanguard sidegrade, mogador is buggy

[viscid swift]

We don't have them maxed yet and Mogador is still wip so we don't know quite yet

[digital vault]

Ok ty

It's quite insane tho. I thought they would only add 2 urs at the same time in anniversaries

[uneven cave]

It is anniv

[fleet marlin]

This is

[eager mulch]

A) the other time they did this it wasn’t anni. B) this is anni

C)

[remote yarrow]

Hi anni nice to meet you

[sharp socket]

which torp(s) are best for subs

[silver lintel]

G7e till you get 6 bidders from gear lab

[remote yarrow]

Which you use Mark VIII for

[digital vault]

oh i didn't notice 😔

[atomic abyss]

think of it as a milestone reward

[summer prism]

does it give twice affection too or not?

[atomic abyss]

yes

does it not

if it doubles morale loss, it shd double affinity gain too

[graceful meteor]

I don't think it does, let me check tho

[jaunty vault]

it does

[graceful meteor]

Oh I'm wrong it does,

[twilit dew]

Fleet Recommendation

[sharp socket]

is this better

[jaunty vault]

definitely

[sharp socket]

i assume SAP stands for Super AP so its better right

[remote yarrow]

Didn't know that gun had SAP

[jaunty vault]

its not super

[sweet delta]

It's better because it's better, not because it's SAP

[sharp socket]

i am illiterate in naval terms but if u guys say its better its good enough for me

[jaunty vault]

lol

[summer prism]

ooh ok thankss

[remote yarrow]

I'm reading Sam's gear guide and DD SAP doesn't pierce nice one game

[vale spindle]

samvaluations are up on the datamine now unfortunately the site might not be updated for a while due to images not being available on the wiki yet

the SAP on twin 135 doesn't pierce, but the SAP on the zara gun does pierce, which is weird but thats how devs coded it don't @ me 🏃🏽‍♂️

[sharp socket]

hopefully my hood is better now, cant +10 because coins

[south sequoia]

Wasted on backline

[jaunty vault]

that gun is wasted on hood

[south sequoia]

Use it on vanguard

[sharp socket]

i was told my hood sucked

[south sequoia]

Also that hp aux is wasted on hood

[vale spindle]

aux gun and second auxiliary need to be changed out

but the other 3 slots are fine

[sweet delta]

Ok

[sharp socket]

this was my previous hood build and everyone said it was terrible thats why i focused on improving her with the best i got

[graceful meteor]

just throw any with highest fp on her, don't even need to upgrade it if you're tight on mats

[vale spindle]

the auxes are the only bad thing here

by auxes i mean the auxiliary slots, both of them

[sharp socket]

i will change out thumbdrive for a shell if its needed

[vale spindle]

please do

[sharp socket]

which shell though

[atomic abyss]

white+black shell or shell+fcr

[vale spindle]

doesn't matter both are close enough in performance to not matter when picking 1 to use alongside the high standard fire control radar

[sharp socket]

soyuz has this shell, do i buy the gold white shell for her then swap this to hood

[vale spindle]

yes

[lament tree]

Are all the starter DD's about same?

[eager mulch]

yes

[vale spindle]

about the same in gameplay performance yes

[shell willow]

do meta ships work for xp farm for pr?

[eager mulch]

no

[atomic abyss]

no, they have their own faction

[vale spindle]

no they are considered META faction
go to your dock and sort by that faction / main or vanguard fleet to see the list of viable ships

[shell willow]

damn

[sharp socket]

…oh wait i had another white shell

oh well alsace can have that one

[vale spindle]

doesn't matter you want to upgrade to the gold version eventually

[icy mountain]

save ur core data and buy 3 pairs of these each

[sharp socket]

are the shells highest prio in core shop

[icy mountain]

yes

[atomic abyss]

yes imo

[icy mountain]

you can buy the other stuff in core data when u get 3 pairs of black and white shells

[elfin hollow]

Essex is good ?

[sweet delta]

1. Alsace preload is helpful on boss too, not just mob
2. I thought the debuff already chooses enemy by priority when she's not wrath/fury

[atomic abyss]

good, but heavily powercrept at this point

[zinc turret]

by ur ships ?

[atomic abyss]

by her sisters too

[sharp socket]

i have 3.6k core data now

but why do i need 3 black and 3 white shells

[atomic abyss]

one pair for each BB

[sharp socket]

then where put cv

[atomic abyss]

you have 2 fleets

[zinc turret]

4 fleet for siren

[sharp socket]

but fleet must balance with 1bb 2cv

[atomic abyss]

for opsi you need more than 3 BBs

[atomic abyss]

not always

[sharp socket]

is the gold high standard fire control radar bad to use with bb

[zinc turret]

1 bb 2 cv * 4 = 4 bb u need to buy 4 pair then

[sharp socket]

opsi i just use one fleet for now

maybe 2 fleet for mob and boss once i need to

[atomic abyss]

no, it's used more for timing purposes
shells are better generally

[cobalt rapids]

3 pair is recommended because that is the most ull use at a time, either between ur 3 bb from mob/boss in campaign since campaign prefers mixed so therell be 2 cvs aswell + uni or in ur 3 bb opsi fleet, anything above is luxury for gear swap and not prio

[sweet delta]

When was the last time you used 6 shell auxes in one fleet

[true kraken]

is fs5 Champ good?

[sweet delta]

About as good as warspite

[sharp socket]

so ill need 2 more month and 400 more core data to get 3 black and white shells, what do i get in core data shop after

[sweet delta]

Independence or DDG stuff or submarine stuff

[sharp socket]

just for my knowledge

[true kraken]

I think we have command for that

[sharp socket]

i have indep already

[true kraken]

it /coredate or something

[sharp socket]

whats a DDG

[cobalt rapids]

Missile destroyers

[true kraken]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[true kraken]

dont know if it's updated or not

[novel condor]

Should be updated? If not ping sam or nagami to fix it

[sweet delta]

Actually, get your first beacon and first Avi manjuu before submarines stuff

[vale spindle]

i don't see anything about priority target can u show me plz thx

[jaunty vault]

@plain saffron fix this

[true kraken]

/wait, does the homing becon and manji stack on airstrike cool down?

[atomic abyss]

manju increases CD tho

[sweet delta]

Give me 3 business weeks to see if devs can add that to the description 10 minutes

[remote yarrow]

Wait what's wrong with it

[eager mulch]

they stack but have opposite effects so you just lose

[jaunty vault]

i do want to know if they cancel each other out

[topaz smelt]

besides 3 dimensional priorities

[true kraken]

yeah, like you use both so be like +4 then -4?

[novel condor]

Nothing I think

[atomic abyss]

yami, why on earth would you even use them together

[sharp socket]

what is timing adjustment for

[strong tartan]

to adjust timing

[jaunty vault]

cause hes yami

[novel condor]

Yami just testing wdym ender

[sharp socket]

ok but why

[strong tartan]

because we wanna adjust it

[novel condor]

So you match it with debuffers usually

[vale spindle]

manjuu is lower priority by far because the number of times ive had to use it for timings is in 2 fleet comps total since it was released, and both of them were for the challenge mode

[eager mulch]

maybe you don’t want your bbs/cvs to fire early/late

[atomic abyss]

because you want carriers with slow debuffs to land their slow the same time as the other carriers launch their attacks

[sharp socket]

i dont understand

[vale spindle]

if i could have a 3 row priority for beacon and sub stuff i would but that seems excessive since beacon is specific but sub equipment is more generalist

[sharp socket]

do u have example because i dont know what most of my ships do

[topaz smelt]

its kinda interesting on mobs at best, but prob gonna be more commonly used for implac on newbies

[atomic abyss]

the best carrier dps comps involve using ships like implacable, ark royal or august van parseval to slow the enemies ships (bosses)

this is so that they are easier to hit

[vale spindle]

certain ships have skills like "after this ship launches an airstrike, freeze all enemies for some time", and therefore you want your other ships to launch specifically after that ship freezes all enemies

[eager mulch]

If I put SG radar on my helena retrofit, she debuffs 16 seconds into the battle. Without adjusting my BB’s timing, they shoot 20 seconds into the battle, missing the debuff

[vale spindle]

so in those cases, you want the reload times to be as close together as possible, which is where the timing adjustment comes from

this doesn't just apply to freezes, it can also apply to debuffs that your ships apply, like helena

[true kraken]

like you have one with 12s and one with 14s, you might want +2 to the 12 or -2 for the 14 so they proc at the same time

[atomic abyss]

you use the timing to maixmise the buffs/debuffs

[zinc prairie]

who should i mlb first?

[sharp socket]

wait the debuffs dont last

[novel condor]

Nope usually they last for limited time only

[sharp socket]

dont they last for like some time after applying

[atomic abyss]

most debuffs have a very short window

[sharp socket]

huh that sucks