gameplay-help

[wet prairie]

AA in w13

[frank pulsar]

not needed, but it helps

[sinful elk]

[whole crypt]

using Juneau in 13 is fine but she can't be tank

[wet prairie]

would juneau survive w14/15

[whole crypt]

even Sandy wouldn't really want to tank anyway

[wet prairie]

my brain

[whole crypt]

Juneau probably not enough for 15
she doesn't really offer much for 14

[blissful hamlet]

why is princeton not on the wishing well?

[atomic abyss]

too new

[blissful hamlet]

I have to wait next year

[undone plover]

we have another WW in august

[blissful hamlet]

[cinder dragon]

Hey all, going into W14 soon. I have NJ, Shinano, and Alsace (+ a copy so she’s one star up). Who should I MLB? Waifu preference for Alsace but honey is good too. Will be swapping out Reno for Tai Yuan, and I’m leveling up Agir too. Plymouth in development.

[still gate]

will any ur reruns happen before august anni?

[forest palm]

man most of all of that isn't working for world 14

[frank pulsar]

alsace > nano and nj in prio imho
also that setup looks like youre gonna get cooked

[undone plover]

it is very possible, rondo is the next event to rerun

[wet prairie]

your mob fleet aint surviving w14

[forest palm]

well, when you have Ulrich doing 95% less damage, ya

[wet prairie]

you want bb flag and idk why taihou

[frank pulsar]

fdg taiho uni ancho dps dps for mob
soyuz enty dps laffii flex flex for boss

[frank pulsar]

theyre gonna sink before even reaching that point

[cinder dragon]

Better off flag until low armo right?

[still gate]

how good are ships in this event? i really need iron blood ships

[wet prairie]

no, you want flag

[frank pulsar]

no shes dead off flag, and you have no defence against suicide boats if shes off flag

[wet prairie]

kamikaze boats hurt in w14

[cinder dragon]

Open to switching it up and know it needs work - haven’t even gotten to it yet

Thanks all for the help

[wet prairie]

i would hold off

level your ships, level 110s arent going to fair too well

[undone plover]

emden is probably the best ship in that event. she is a high dps CL I believe. although i didnt play during that event so I cant be sure

[cinder dragon]

Got it, thanks. Been doing op si for better gear too

[frank pulsar]

you kinda dont have good vanguards for 14

you could probably pull it off with good gear but im guessing you dont

[cinder dragon]

I was primarily giving context to figure out my best UR to MLB, see what the weaknesses were

[forest palm]

this kind of feels like a game flaw more than a player issue, because it's quite easy to jettison into the harder content these days

[frank pulsar]

nj is pretty much powercrept these days, wouldnt mlb her imho
nano is still good, but alsace would be easier to use so go with her

[wet prairie]

just manual better smh

[cinder dragon]

Need better than Laffey II, Agir, Cheshire, Anchorage, Tai Yuan, and Helena?

[wet prairie]

alsace + uni kai + fdg with anchor + jean + off tank (poikai/laffii) wouldnt be too bad

[half plover]

it makes me crazy that I can't mlb brennus or alsace yet even tho I could

[frank pulsar]

helena is bad for w14 cuz you need high dmg uptime rather than burst dmg, cheshire also kinda does nothing since you don't need that much aa, the rest are pretty good options

[wet prairie]

agir i probably wouldnt run cause heavy VS torp is umm

[frank pulsar]

agir needs torp bulge though if youre gonna use her w14+

[wet prairie]

i can pull out my old w14 fleet if you want it (its ass but i had similar ships minus sushi)

[forest palm]

could focus more on Research Ships as well

[uncut oar]

Is there any world where D1 is faster for purely points by time and not per oil?

[atomic abyss]

[forest palm]

nope, boss

[atomic abyss]

i don't think 1 less battle makes up for the like, 60 currency difference?

[forest palm]

if you really wanted to point sweat I think you need to do like B1 with 0LB ships

[uncut oar]

No, this isn't an oil thing, I was actually just thinking about points per second/minute/whatever

But yeah, I didn't think so either. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks

[cinder dragon]

I’d love to take a look if it’s not much trouble

[small fern]

is the uh

research cruiser for the french on p1 good

[forest palm]

powercrept to shit

[atomic abyss]

good but prob not worth as your first PR

she is as said, powercrept

[whole crypt]

your first PR is just whichever ship you can work on

Saint Louis is usually an easy choice because you tend to get recommended a lot of USS vanguards at the start

[tame jungle]

feel like she's quite ok for running mobs but she falls off a bit when you start running into later game enemies with high accuracy

[atomic abyss]

umm, that's not the issue with her

[still gate]

i think it is better to keep gold retrofit blueprints for portland

[atomic abyss]

oh absolutely

[inner citrus]

So can anyone give me a tldr on Mogador fix from JP AL twtter

[whole crypt]

for players new to research XP will take ages, you don't need to spend the retrofit prints upfront

[inner citrus]

Or rather, "changes", not fix

[whole crypt]

when using charge, if an attack does more than 5% of moggyHP cap to 5%
if accummulate more than 5% disable hitbox for 2.5s

[frank pulsar]

i thought 10%?

[boreal wagon]

CN did a second revision before it went to JP so its 5 now (and the first part is also new)

[whole crypt]

also duration was up from the first hotfix, was 1.5 -> 2.5s

[boreal wagon]

why do i keep forgetting to mention that smh

[whole crypt]

the damage cap was added because moggy could still be hit hard by a single large hit before invul activates

[boreal wagon]

notably is that the cap is also active during her accum which can help with oneshots too 👍

[cinder dragon]

So is she good now?

[tame jungle]

oh that's really huge isn't it

[boreal wagon]

we dont know EN doesnt actually have the patch yet

[frank pulsar]

if the fix comes to en yes

[whole crypt]

should be but testing pending
she's still pretty fragile

[boreal wagon]

it will come to EN the question is rather when and/or if there will be more revisions

[whole crypt]

also the Alsace text fix

a bit late now but that thing a while ago about quyet saying moggies damage and durability was probably just ripped from nga

[hallow iron]

What is the text fix btw? Is it the heal

[inner citrus]

Wait, wdym disable hitbox, what was the problem?

And that damage cap too

Was she like, getting nuked from one attack?

[boreal wagon]

the first pin somewhat explains it

[meager gyro]

how do i get mood back up fast?

[atomic abyss]

one of the ways they tried to fix her to not die was to temporarily disable her hit box or sth

[atomic abyss]

dorm

[boreal wagon]

thats still the current way they are trying they just added more on top

[frank pulsar]

disable hitbox = invulnerability

[boreal wagon]

(to almost all but not all things)

[frank pulsar]

unless the enemy has a mechanic to directly alter your ship hp

[whole crypt]

crossfleet proc 20s -> 16s
was always 16s but skill text said 20 on release

[hallow iron]

Ahh icic

[whole crypt]

in hard fights she can teleport into the middle of a bullet hell and vaporize

[hard mesa]

the cross fleet is same as s1 barrage right?

[whole crypt]

yeh basically

[inner citrus]

So basically that charge in attack turns her into a kamikaze, and not even a good kamikaze

[atomic abyss]

don't worry guys, they are just using mogador to find a way to make glowworm good

in all seriousness

[strong tartan]

glowworm is the best

[inner citrus]

So the "fix" is to just add effects is what I'm reading correct?

[hard mesa]

[inner citrus]

To counter the fault in the ability

[atomic abyss]

the fix is to ensure she doesn't die TOO easily

[uneven badger]

wha does Hit do in stats

[atomic abyss]

it's great concept poor implementation

[atomic abyss]

tldr, accuracy

[strong tartan]

accuracy

[cobalt rapids]

/accuracy

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Accuracy determines the chances of hitting or missing the enemy. It is affected by several stats, such as attacker's Hit, defender's Evasion, and Evasion Rate, as well as Luck stat of both. Full maths and factors behind it can be seen here.

Same factors also affect Critical Hit chances, maths behind which can be found here.

[atomic abyss]

chance to ignore evasion

[uneven badger]

alright

is it useful

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[boreal wagon]

i mean, hitting is better than not hitting

[strong tartan]

I mean it's accuracy

[uneven badger]

ok

[atomic abyss]

it is a very important stat for BBs
cos they have low hit
and later enemies have higher evasion

[inland shoal]

The reason Mog is still dying is just that she pretty reliably loses 5% hp every time she lunges?

[cobalt rapids]

shes still dying ?

[boreal wagon]

she doesnt get one shot anymore but she gets whittled down p reliably due to how fragile she is

[late flame]

i has both volga + uni on her and she can still die lol

[cobalt rapids]

yea but we dont have the patch

[boreal wagon]

ye in CN she apparently still has issues in certain situations

[thorny bay]

anything i can do to improve mob fleet? (and by extension the boss fleets as well)
dont have musashi/vanguard

[boreal wagon]

which is probably fine and just CN malding

[atomic abyss]

it's... opsi mobbing so uh

[jaunty vault]

using uvh off flag would be an improvement

[late flame]

opsi doesnt need vanguard and/or sushi though they do make it easier vs harbiters

[jaunty vault]

by that loggic you dont need any UR

[late flame]

[jaunty vault]

do you have fdg or alsace

[thorny bay]

ye

[late flame]

i'm fielding 2 cv and 1 bb fleet

[jaunty vault]

do you have both?

[thorny bay]

ye

[south sequoia]

ye thats due to properties of boss attacks ignoring her invuln right

[jaunty vault]

replace NJ with alsace when she gets maxed out
replace uvh with fdg
personally id still use uvh and rrplace independence

[hollow gust]

Why replace uvh?

[boreal wagon]

i don't know the specifics but i'd guess so, the only other thing i can think of is what Thorin mentioned where she can reliably lose 5% and die easily over time that way

[jaunty vault]

guam cam replace anchorage

[hollow gust]

Fdg is just more useless

[jaunty vault]

if you have her

[jaunty vault]

no she isn't

flag fdg is better than flag uvh

[south sequoia]

Yeah her dying over time is still a problem, thats still way too much damage

[hollow gust]

It's a mob fleet , you are trolling , a cross fleet would be more useful then whatever time you save

[boreal wagon]

in the end if we face it mog might just be destined to be a mob fleet ship, which with the CN version should work in all chapters rlly given she has a healer

[cobalt rapids]

mog fleet ship

[tame jungle]

is there some sort of list with all ships that have cross-fleet support?

[viscid swift]

Or just move uvh off flag

[south sequoia]

Maybe we can finally get a good solution if the devs were to adjust her for a third time seeing as how players also complain how meh mogadors 2nd skill is

[cobalt rapids]

/crossfleet in #bot-spam

[tame jungle]

ah thanks

[late flame]

first Tier N UR confirmed

[boreal wagon]

she won't be tier N anymore with her CN version at most destined to be a mob fleet

[whole crypt]

it's not like Shimakaze didn't have a durability problem either, just slightly better for not jumping into it

[boreal wagon]

yeah shimakaze is easy to squish between two massive ships unlike mog

[cobalt rapids]

ppl just want a laffey 3

[boreal wagon]

people just want every single UR to entirely break the game

[hard mesa]

better than previous

[south sequoia]

Difference is, shimakaze was able to output huge bursts to make up for her fragile state
Mogador is a gun dd and she would need time to deal the damage

[whole crypt]

there's a just a comparison because Laffey II is stupid levels of durable and moggies isn't but Laffey isn't even close for DPS

well realistically how long are you expecting moggies to survive for which boss fight

most don't take that long

[inland shoal]

I still don't get what boss attacks they mean exactly that ignore her invuln

[south sequoia]

All they really need to do is improve her 2nd skill at this point for a better shield and a higher healing
10 heal isn't exactly doing anything

[boreal wagon]

apparently Hiryuu METAs lasers can but thats a big doubt

[idle dirge]

What kind of fleet should I build for c14?

[south sequoia]

Someone sent me a vid of hiryuu lasers blasting a mog from like 25% to 0% in an instant, and that was with 2nd buff applied.

[inland shoal]

Exactly, just make s2 have a barrier for 100% of the dmg taken, no cd

[boreal wagon]

just make her have infinite health easy solution

[whole crypt]

show vid pls

I don't even remember what hiryuu does

[south sequoia]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ki421S7XJ/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0

around 1:30

mogador was doing fine all through out the fight until lasers

[boreal wagon]

she had way less than 25% remaining when she latched on

[south sequoia]

yes but that shouldn't have killed her an instant

[worldly pewter]

is there a way to make the subs don't travel and just use the ammo during the fights ?

[inland shoal]

Is there a way to view bilibili vid with more than 4 pixels?

[boreal wagon]

by roughly looking at her HP bar it seems like around 9% which is possible

[tame jungle]

support mode in strategy menu

[inland shoal]

Just switch between attack and support mode in the menu where you also switch line, circle etc

[south sequoia]

theres still a big portion of her bar left when lasers were hitting

[cobalt rapids]

u need account

[worldly pewter]

i have to go in manual mode then exit right ?

[jaunty vault]

hiryuuM final laser is strong and mog is a DD with not much eHP going on
i dont see a problem with her dying with less than 25% HP left

[inland shoal]

Great, luckily not a pita to get a bilibili acc

[jaunty vault]

ok it is 9%

[boreal wagon]

she also did not have 25% it was more like 9% and that is still possible even post 2nd patch

[worldly pewter]

they want her to be a CB

[south sequoia]

this is def more than 9

[boreal wagon]

thats not when her mechanic activates

it activates when she latches on, aka the moment she is infront of enemy

[whole crypt]

look slike around 30% left then jumped into a shit load of laser procs

[south sequoia]

So if the attack is too instant she can still be blasted?

[inland shoal]

I mean in theory she should be unable to lose more than 5% hp during her lunge
Then enter rounding and idk if the first attack that loses her 5% triggers her 5% cumulative anymore
Then enter frames and idk if some lasers can sneak in before her invuln activates

[boreal wagon]

any damage she takes before her teleport finishes is uncapped and unaffected

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

[boreal wagon]

she can lose anything that is <10%

[south sequoia]

Pardon me I'm a bit slow

[boreal wagon]

the HP that she has in the moment that umi posted matters, every other instance is uncapped

[whole crypt]

I think hiryuu's laser is one of those that don't work with her hitbox thing

[hard mesa]

what time she died?

[inland shoal]

So if she just takes one hit for 5% that doesn't activate her cumulative 5%? That's funny

[whole crypt]

that or it was really just too fast for the invul to activate

[inland shoal]

There is absolutely no way, that could only be true if they always all hit your entire fleet. And then your fleet would always just die right away

[boreal wagon]

it does activate if she takes 5% of more in a single attack but if she say has already taken 4% and then takes another 5% she will take 9% total

[inland shoal]

Yeah okay that too, but idk if she would even trigger the skill right away if she does take 5% due to flooring to the next full hp number

[boreal wagon]

every instance of damage can at most do 5% and if she crosses 5% or more total she activates her invu. The most she can take during her accum is anything less than 10% (probably exactly 10% depending on if rounded or floored).

there might be weird flooring scenarios where she takes like 4.9 reccuring technically and doesnt activate it but even than is still just 9.9 reccuring

this is all assuming the game isnt wack completely which we cannot test until its on EN

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is spaghetti code strikes again

[inland shoal]

It's just bad in the sense that she would always take ~10% against an enemy that deals hits with more than 5% of her hp

[boreal wagon]

yeah that the absolute worst case and thats probably why it was lowered from 10% to 5% as it would have been 20% otherwise

[inland shoal]

Also sorry for converting this chat to Mogador chat almost every time I arrive, I'm just curious about her mechanics / their pitfalls

[boreal wagon]

its really hard to make this feel satisfying for everyone without just making her ignore all damage during the stab, which i just don't think will ever happen

[hard mesa]

[atomic abyss]

they're just trying too hard to not make a laffey II....

[cobalt rapids]

ig you could say every time u come the chat gets mogged

[atomic abyss]

well ok i got an idea hear me out

When taking damage, 5% (25%) chance to decrease said damage to 1. At the start of battle, increases own Luck stat by 5.

Would this fix her

[jaunty vault]

no

[inland shoal]

[jaunty vault]

theres a reason no one uses yukikaze

[boreal wagon]

25% would be even less reliable than what we have now no?

[inland shoal]

Make it 100%

[atomic abyss]

oh please cooper
people did use yuki back in the day

[hard mesa]

50 lck prob make change

[frank pulsar]

but do people use yuki now?

[atomic abyss]

the issue is moreso that it's a DD

[hard mesa]

she just lack dmg

[atomic abyss]

that skill would be broken on non DDs tho

[jaunty vault]

also way to set an example by leaking copium in chat

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

[inland shoal]

The issue with this is that you're taking 3 million dmg every time you chill in front of a boss, ignoring 25% of that isn't gonna help

[boreal wagon]

my personal opinion on this whole mog wack is that we probably won't get much better than we are now without making her just invulnerable all together or turning her into laffey 2

[frank pulsar]

turning her into a laffii during her slash is the most balanced way to go about it imho

[jaunty vault]

ok im sorry i took it too far my bad

[inner delta]

[wind hazel]

remove lunge. make her torpedo lunge instead

[jaunty vault]

ill just leave

[whole crypt]

honestly I'm fine with mogs in its current state now, devs just need to think through how they make their bullet spams going forward

[jaunty vault]

yuki fixing gph is on you now

[boreal wagon]

if only we still had bullets

[whole crypt]

looking at the way the damage was applied by that beam spam I'm not sure if being laffey during the lunge would have saved mogs

[boreal wagon]

it probably wouldnt have, also doesnt laffey 2 use max HP starting with 25% as well anyway

[frank pulsar]

as in she gets the dmg taken cap right before she lunges and it lasts through her entire lunge animation

[inland shoal]

With 10% current hp it definitely would've saved cuz that'd be just cracked

[whole crypt]

that's per hit

[boreal wagon]

even if the damage cap started before she lunged in that fight she would have just died some time before her skill triggering or sometime thereafter, she was doomed regardless no matter the fix

[whole crypt]

it caps at 2.5% when she reaches 25% HP

[true kraken]

which one should be invest ur bulin first bettween those 2 UR in the event?

[inland shoal]

Alsace

[crimson glacier]

alsace and its not even close

[inland shoal]

It's pretty much a general thing in this game that the main fleet wants the LBs more than the vanguard

[queen plank]

Speaking of Alsace, the best guns for her are Goergia guns right?

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content as for every ship

[potent slate]

Is there a good beginner guide to read that shows me how to properly start my account

[inland shoal]

For mobbing sure ig

[cobalt rapids]

/guide newbie tips in sams compendium

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Beginner's Guide to Azur Lane

If you're not sure where to start or how to optimize something, try checking these out!
🔹 General FAQ from the Azur Lane wiki
🔹 New Player's Guide by .Snub and Community TL

🔹 English Community Guide Compendium by samheart564

Contains a list of guides by various authors about key Azur Lane gameplay mechanics, including:

• Newbie Tips (By riceist)
• Common Resource Guide (By Sam)
• Research Guide (By Sam)
  and more!

Here are some other useful commands:
Use /tierlist and /equip for a ship and equipment tier lists
Use /tags for a full list of things I can help you with

[south sequoia]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations take this as well

[ivory linden]

Is the infinite barrage in D3 intended or not cause it makes my phone overheat when farming for a long time.

[atomic abyss]

yes they are intended and only really happen if the battle drags too long (past 30s)

[robust jackal]

Is Mog's first skill patched for her lunge yet or we still waiting for the rework?

[cobalt rapids]

cn/jp only

[atomic abyss]

it's not patched in EN at least

[plain saffron]

jp got it?

[cobalt rapids]

ye

[atomic abyss]

yes apparently

[plain saffron]

tbh EN will prob be after weekend

[robust jackal]

fml why do they get it first?

[atomic abyss]

CN got it first
then JP after a day or two

[plain saffron]

beta testing in cn, idk about jp

[cobalt rapids]

middle child experience

[boreal wagon]

did anyone verify that JP did actually get it cuz i did add that i never did that and only saw them announce it

[plain saffron]

i'm decom so in few mins

[hallow iron]

Hello guys, just wondering, is the event in this game common? Like if current French event is over, will a new event quickly replace it?

[atomic abyss]

major events or major event reruns happen like 1x a month

we might get a dead week before a minor event drops

but yeah dead weeks are rare in this game

UR events occur about 4x a year

[jaunty vault]

theres almost always some sort of event or rerun event going on

[plain saffron]

i feel like this game have more dead weeks than others

[whole crypt]

did JP get what?

[boreal wagon]

mog fix

[cobalt rapids]

mog changes

[atomic abyss]

mog rework

[whole crypt]

I saw a 100-ish MB hotfix

[jaunty vault]

second mogger

[plain saffron]

they did

[atomic abyss]

nope
we actually get very little dead weeks weirdly

[atomic abyss]

at least in terms of ratio

[hallow iron]

I need that,XD I want to push story but current event drop more coin so feels more Worthing event

[boreal wagon]

did they also fix alsace skill text or did they pull a classic JP

[whole crypt]

they did fix it

[plain saffron]

ehh we get like 1-2 weeks usually, same as others or below others that have no dead weeks at all

they did

[boreal wagon]

they did in EN and CN but did they in JP cuz latest data i see is still 20s but idk when nag updated that

[plain saffron]

i didn't push yet, bcs nobody notified me

[cobalt rapids]

nnt is jp player

[plain saffron]

pushed

someone sponsor me a cheap windows pc so i can left this running 24/7

[cobalt rapids]

get a raspberry

[robust jackal]

Are UR events normally this buggy or is this kinda a one off ?

[boreal wagon]

u can probably set up github actions like the other datamine did

[jaunty vault]

what bugs

[plain saffron]

can windows stuff works with it, also action have limit how much trigger per day iirc

[boreal wagon]

altho i forget if they are free in private repos

[ivory linden]

If you mean mogador skill then no

[whole crypt]

depends on what you're referring to
last week's bugs were a different thing
moggies itself was just dev oversight on skill in practice

[plain saffron]

if only windows license is not expensive as fuck on vps

[robust jackal]

Skins, text, skill mechanics, UI interface, etc I feel like i've run into alot more issues worth dropping in the bug channel than normal.

[plain saffron]

idk if the stuff i'm using is compatible or not, it have some dll

[atomic abyss]

we just had a UI update, so yes UI bugs are going to be common

[plain saffron]

more stuff updated = more bugs

[atomic abyss]

as for stuff like skins and text and skill

[jaunty vault]

minor bugs like that are normal evwry patch

[atomic abyss]

that happens every patch

[boreal wagon]

they also redid basically all of the games assets in preperation for upcoming stuff so skin issues are also normal

[plain saffron]

and some of reported ones are from last last patch not this one

[atomic abyss]

the fact of the matter is, this game is just poorly coded

[plain saffron]

i think it's more like no QA whatsoever

[boreal wagon]

what game isnt badly coded

[plain saffron]

if anyone even play the game for few minutes they'll notice

as bad as AL is, it's still better than others

[whole crypt]

that's last week's client update stuff anyway

skins I have no idea

[boreal wagon]

skins are broken bc of the new asset system which is also last week

[opaque yacht]

how to get specialized core?

[plain saffron]

all the popup and stuff are instantaneous, no loading between scenes except battle

[whole crypt]

not the old ones, I mean those with this update, didn't some of the new ones need fixing as well

[boreal wagon]

truth of the matter is getting large updates right is insanely hard with or without QA and we should just be thankful we even have the game

[plain saffron]

or maybe you know, have QA

[weary gust]

By playing the game. Most activities generate it. Clearing stages, doing dailies, commissions.

[plain saffron]

shit i would gladly work for free if they will fix all the UI bugs etc

[boreal wagon]

QA helps but it doesnt fix everything

[whole crypt]

they probably had QA just not enough

[boreal wagon]

also significantly slows down development time which idk if we want that

[plain saffron]

because you don't play EN

yeah agree with that, AL prob have shorter development cycle compared to other game? idk

[boreal wagon]

they have one of the shortest ones i have seen at least judging by how fast they pump out updates

[small fern]

is epee good

[cobalt rapids]

not

[atomic abyss]

nopw

[boreal wagon]

cant exactly say how long in advance those are planned and developed tho, given the amount of obvious bugs prolly not long tho

[plain saffron]

iirc 4 to 6 months in EN anni interview few years ago

[atomic abyss]

well, with how they managed to pull carl at the drop of a hat....

[boreal wagon]

i mean that can be done even if its just a month or two

[atomic abyss]

but yeah tldr game is quite buggy
and given the size of recent update, it was particularly buggy

[small fern]

i have to use her for a mission so

[boreal wagon]

truth of the matter is that we are also living in the EN server which basically just takes JPs client and adapts it

[atomic abyss]

as a general rule of 👍

event purples are shit

[atomic abyss]

she doesn't need to live for the UR voucher mission

[small fern]

so i could just kill her

[cobalt rapids]

u can just drop her in ur bossfleet use her once and then back to dock

[whole crypt]

more like you can just let her die, but yes

[small fern]

man should have known before i made her level 57

[cobalt rapids]

yea the mission text is missleading

[small fern]

i farm b3 so its no biggie

[whole crypt]

well if you want the chat frame you'll have to LB her so...

[small fern]

i cant farm c1 thats too much

i have 4nelsons now

i can finally let go of penny

[wintry obsidian]

Have they finally fixed Mogador? If the 5% damage cap goes in effect, she still won't be tanky as Laffey but will be significantly more survivable than both Shimakaze and Yuudachi thanks to that other skill that gives her a shield

[night pumice]

should the torpedo and dd gun in shop be saved for mog or do I put it on my highest leveled destroyer and skip using mog

[inner delta]

when dev finish fixing, you will know cuz all server will get it

[atomic abyss]

Given the lack of bulins
Get all 3
Leave mog aside first
Use the gun for your strongest gun based DDs like Laffey II, the An Shans etc

The torp is meh compared to the quad mags tho

[opaque yacht]

wait is yuudachi a gun based dd

[atomic abyss]

[viscid swift]

she's a hybrid with good gun power

[kind slate]

How long does it usually take for testing of a ship? To like evaluate tiers and other stuff

[atomic abyss]

I think it's fine for her to use the twin 138.6
But the 100 kai is definitely valid for her too

[obtuse knoll]

how does the event dd gun compare to the other one?

[viscid swift]

it will take at least a week to get the skills even remotely close to maxed to be able to properly test them

then there's the issue of actually getting them maxed with levels, affinity and such

[opaque yacht]

oh ok she's the only dd i use rn I was thinking about getting the gun

[atomic abyss]

It is the best DD gun period

In terms of damage at least

Rof wise uh...

[opaque yacht]

is it better than the tashkent gun?

[atomic abyss]

I'm not sure actually
Need to run by the wiki

Well regardless for anyone without a 100 kai
This will be a very valuable addition

[inner delta]

138 best dmg
100kai is the aoa

[stable badger]

what's the best stat to focus for fleet tech? and which ship class?

[inner delta]

rld for both cv and bb

[viscid swift]

not sure if anyone would actually prefer 100 Kai over the Mogador Gun, not anyone particularly relevant anyway

maybe Scylla

[night pumice]

and what if my only destroyers in use are javelin and laffey, is gun still good on them

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Prioritise Laffey

[gloomy mesa]

do we know if colorado kai is worth building?

[atomic abyss]

Nelson is still better

[atomic abyss]

Scylla and Poi are the only contentious ones imo

[gloomy mesa]

what about compared to saratoga - kai?

[inner delta]

yuudachi still might want 138

[atomic abyss]

Can't compare between classes
Nelson/Colorado are BB, Sara is CV

[gloomy mesa]

oh okay

[viscid swift]

you already have Hood and Nelson retro anyway so not like you could make use of Colorado either way since all 3 want flag still

[opaque yacht]

is the new torp launcher better than the quint non mags

[half plover]

if my bismarck reaches level 120, will I get less exp for the shipyard missions?

[atomic abyss]

No

[half plover]

good

[gloomy mesa]

i'm just scared to buil sara-kai just to rplace her in a few weeks, lol

[frank pulsar]

sara is pretty strong option, its fine to invest in her

[viscid swift]

that would be rather unlikely

[gloomy mesa]

NICE

[atomic abyss]

It's gonna be very hard to yeah

Probably nothing short of a UR CV will dethrone her and enty

[south sequoia]

Theres only a few ships that can replace sara

[gloomy mesa]

kuyby > sara-kai ? who has higher prio currently?

[atomic abyss]

Sara Kai

[viscid swift]

to level you mean?

[south sequoia]

4 of them are ur

[gloomy mesa]

yes

[viscid swift]

why not both

[gloomy mesa]

broke af

[south sequoia]

Enterprise is also one

[atomic abyss]

Sara is purple

[south sequoia]

Though honestly, you could just use both until you replace the other with a ur cv if you ever get one

[night pumice]

if I just got hood and rest of starter fleet is nearing lvl 120, is it still worth it to swap penny for hood or do I just save hood for a second fleet

[atomic abyss]

Hood to boss fleet then

[viscid swift]

Penn will get replaced no matter what, it's just a matter of who

[atomic abyss]

Time to get Nelson

Actually Cleo

[viscid swift]

also how tf is your first fleet already 120 and you haven't started a second fleet yet..

[atomic abyss]

How does Sara Kai W/ aug compare to SRL

[gloomy mesa]

lol, i'm getting there too

[viscid swift]

they don't really

[atomic abyss]

SRL w/ aug*

[night pumice]

Side effect of me having to grind out 10 commander levels to open w8 without this event

[viscid swift]

Saratoga is more mobbing oriented and SGL more bossing oriented

[gloomy mesa]

who is cleo and why is she better than nelson!?

[atomic abyss]

Cleo is @south sequoia

Not a ship

[worldly pewter]

he is missing vanguard options

[atomic abyss]

[gloomy mesa]

oh okay, sorry

[viscid swift]

SGL is basically an Enterprise Sidegrade/Downgrade with her aug

[south sequoia]

Pretty sure augmented srl is a bit stronger unless its heavy

[undone plover]

Hey @gloomy mesa sorry mate had to leave yesterday Did u get help with your second fleet?

[south sequoia]

Im not quite sure since they're both quite strong so I've never really thought about it

[atomic abyss]

So yeah
Unless one of the other essexes gets an even stronger aug
I don't think we're seeing a gold CV replace Sara Kai

I think the only other gold CV that competes with Sara Kai for mobbing is like... Taihou W/ aug?

[viscid swift]

it's not really just a matter of the aug, it's also availability

[whole crypt]

Saratoga is all out mobbing anyway

[meager gyro]

where do i get these?

[rapid grail]

play operation siren

[worldly pewter]

i heard volga is good too

[whole crypt]

play more OS

if you have any number more than 0 you'd be playing OS already, just keep doing more

[atomic abyss]

I personally wouldn't directly compare Volga and Aquila

Also op siren

[hard mesa]

only 1 essex that perform underwhelming, interpid

[meager gyro]

cool how it sent twice

[undone plover]

How is akagi muse? Or impero? Compared to saratoga for mobbing

[atomic abyss]

Their advantage is the stagger reload

[whole crypt]

Aquila and Volga are similar but yeh I'd differentiate their use

[atomic abyss]

But then.... Indep kai exists

[gloomy mesa]

no worries, yes i did get help, now it's just a question of farming lvls and gold

[atomic abyss]

So stagger + cross fleet is hard to beat

Tho I guess impero has this thing where she can "pseudo heal" herself or the backline

It's a pretty interesting skill
It essentially redistributes HP

[gloomy mesa]

can someone join me in my thread and help me figure out how to best split up my current fleet so i can carry the mob fleet during the farm?

[hexed obsidian]

Hello guys is Jeanne D'arc and Takao any good?

[gloomy mesa]

hope that makes sense

[atomic abyss]

Jeanne is good, Takao is not

[cobalt rapids]

jda is good for when u need vang surv support

[atomic abyss]

To be more elaborate
Jeanne helps other things not die by shielding them

But usually it's better to use a proper tank like Agir or Anchorage

[warm flax]

How good is jda asw

[cobalt rapids]

average cl

[atomic abyss]

If the CL is not at Atlanta class
Meh at best, like most other CLs

[worldly pewter]

it is pretty shrimple
in D3 put the squishy backline in the flag position
and the vanguard in the middle

[atomic abyss]

I think the didos may have had decent asw too?

Shimanto's was fine by CL standards too iirc

[regal wasp]

Jeanne is a tech piece. She is used in fights where VG dmg is lethal and need a lot of help. She is a must build for vets to use later but not for new players.

[atomic abyss]

Well she's still a fine ship to use if you lack alternatives

[gloomy mesa]

my uni goes into the mob, right?

would nelson replace her in my boss?

making mob main, sara, uni, nana-chan

still need gold and 5 more lvls to retro sara

[worldly pewter]

she should be always in the mob fleet unless u are 1 fleeting
especially with weak vanguards and u don't have crossfleet yet

[sweet merlin]

w13. how to improve?

[atomic abyss]

i feel like i need to ask why you are clearing w13 mid event but...

[meager gyro]

is it normal that i have to go repair after every battle at some point in operation siren?

[regal wasp]

it is a sign that you need a healer

[cobalt rapids]

depends

[sweet merlin]

depends, stronghlods? of course

[meager gyro]

what is a stronghold now? 😭

[sweet merlin]

the huricane icors

[atomic abyss]

late game operation siren

[cobalt rapids]

if tackling it with a low lvl mob fleet without gear then ur fleet will be chunked

[regal wasp]

even having to repair every battle after stronghold is not the norm

[whole crypt]

if Unicorn doesn't keep your fleet healthy in OS you need a stronger fleet/higher adapts

[regal wasp]

the last boss at strongholds sure but not the mobs

[gloomy mesa]

okay, so my vanguard for mob would be portland-kai, kuyby and no clue

[warm flax]

Wait that's late game? 😭

[solar venture]

What is ur character default Max lvl?

[atomic abyss]

character as in ship or commander
ship is 100

[solar venture]

Ship

[atomic abyss]

after cognition awaken it's 125

[worldly pewter]

yeah someone else u want to level most likely
if they are unde 110

[cobalt rapids]

125 like all ships, they can go to 100 without being capped by lbs

[inner delta]

it's not full endgame because you can go out to heal and continue it until you clear it, progress doesn't reset

[atomic abyss]

^

[warm flax]

I guess

[atomic abyss]

i just don't think a player that's new to like, w10 and all is gonna handle strongholds well

but what's midgame/late game varies from player to player anyways

at the very least, you do want a properly geared level 120 fleet to tackle strongholds

[rapid grail]

does anyone remember when did the Raid Event/s dropped on EN server within last year 2023?

asking since i kinda curious on testing

[warm flax]

Stronghold's final boss doesn't change isn't it?

[solar venture]

Lol here i was waiting for UR bullins thinking i need them to increase lvl of alsace

[warm flax]

Like always light armor

[atomic abyss]

i feel like it does?
not sure

[inner delta]

check it on recent change on wiki

unless you can't view that

[atomic abyss]

yuki it does change right?

[warm flax]

Yeah prob, I sometimes one fleet the thing and it sometimes fail

[inner delta]

what bosses? yes

[atomic abyss]

stronghold

/sirenstats

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222610726682886174/1222610727043334306/METAstats.jpg?ex=6616d7f8&is=660462f8&hm=13d408976d4de7c661c185568633ea69925b4d21b90045c6523b4debc198f9f1&

[inner delta]

yes it change

[atomic abyss]

the ones at the top right

[inner delta]

wait sorry not recent change, it's patch note

[chrome lake]

Hey guys need help who to focus first. Just started playing yesterday.

[rapid grail]

redirecte4d to wiki
asked here bacause am lazy... expected to be spoonfed but i guess i need to stand up and get plate and utensils

[inner delta]

yeah i don't have the event list lol

maybe go ping cheeky for list, he is the only one that keeping tabs on old events

[cobalt rapids]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips read this

[atomic abyss]

that would be a useful read yes

but yeah i would recommend

pennsylvania unicorn saratoga
portland laffey helena

do limit break them

[chrome lake]

Thank you.

[viscid swift]

just 2 last year

[chrome lake]

Aight thank you.

[atomic abyss]

just to be clear, the recommendations i gave are based on the guide

[rapid grail]

thank you

[willow dock]

Left or right for alsace secondary? You could probably use either but which is better?

[atomic abyss]

right always

Alsace can use CL guns for secondaries
NJ can't

[sharp socket]

what main gun for alsace

[atomic abyss]

craft the triple 406mk6
that is one of the best BB guns in the game
otherwise use the purple twin 410

[willow dock]

I wasn't going to trade off any equipped pieces, I have the mats to craft more

[atomic abyss]

wait... craft?

[willow dock]

Yes, you can craft either from the lab

[atomic abyss]

i mean you only need one twin 137, and that's for NJ

[native trail]

Are these two good?

[steady beacon]

Unless you play that other game mode anyway

[atomic abyss]

nope

[soft raft]

No not really
Collection tier nowadays

[atomic abyss]

i mean
as good as the nepgun is
im not sure i'd consider it the highest priority to craft in lab...

[willow dock]

Well I was taking into consideration of alasace Holy judgment stacks and wanted to maximize it as fast as possible. Speaking of, it dosent reset post battle or per battle right? Only per sortie or zone relocation? (Opsi)

[steady beacon]

Uh, no
Those count per battle

[willow dock]

[steady beacon]

Def don't expect to stack that reliably with her secondaries

[crimson glacier]

but like, are those stacks even important

[willow dock]

With enough and upon activation you can make the debuff permanent and it becomes better... I'd say so

[crimson glacier]

permanent debuff doesnt do anything extra

[patent pivot]

the enhanced barrage is like 12% more dmg (and perma debuff means vang gets effectively another 6% dmg), but the buff becomes more unreliable for targeting purposes

[crimson glacier]

just matter of fleet building

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I still can't believe the latter caveat
I understand prioritising unmarked enemies, but removing humanoid priority in the process is just

[meager gyro]

uhhhhh would should i buy here?

[willow dock]

You can't justify that with mogador? Her skill or slashes at least prioritize humanoid targets

[steady beacon]

They do, yes

[weary gust]

You can't buy anything there really with the number of vouchers you have. In general you buy everything except the coins and the meta crystals. May as well snag one of the classified loggers.

[steady beacon]

(Isn't that a separate question, or am I misunderstanding the question?)

[willow dock]

Is that your way if saying "pay no mind to it, You can probably build a better fleet overall"?

[hard mesa]

better bring brest if want full stack for alsace

[steady beacon]

I'd probably phrase it more as don't worry about it to the exclusion of all else

There are probably circumstances where you can make the debuff work perma, but it's not an essential condition of her effective use

(As far as we can currently tell, at least)

(Check back again in a couple of weeks)

[willow dock]

Yeah that sounds about right

[willow dock]

I just read the skills and saw some synergy and wanted to put something together. Still working on a 4th fleet for opsi

[jaunty vault]

why did the voucher shop prio get removed from pins

[native trail]

Oh okay...

[willow dock]

Does brest also have a skill that allows her to immediately fire her guns albeit under some conditions? After all I had the intention of building Holy judgment as fast as possible

(I don't have brest yet)

[strong tartan]

no

Do you mean if she has a preload? No she's a CB

[soft raft]

Does brest's secondary count for adding stacks?

[south sequoia]

Yes

[steady beacon]

No, but she is pretty much guaranteed to stack 12 by the time of Alsace's second rotation
Since the skill counts vanguard "main guns" but not the slot they are equipped in, so it counts her DD secondaries (which will definitely hit 12 before Alsace shoots again)

[patent pivot]

All vanguards start with main guns loaded

[fair iron]

How do you turn off the story from playing? At the end of every battle it always pop story out and i need to manually press skip

[patent pivot]

hence why CBs shoot at the start of battle

[strong tartan]

oopsi I was wrong

[plain saffron]

you can't

D3 have some additional scenes, just wait until you done all of it

[hard mesa]

brest secondary counts

[meager gyro]

great now im also hardstuck in operation siren

[fair iron]

Well thats frustrating, i run auto and it kept popping story out

[plain saffron]

that's why i put story on auto and fastest

[soft raft]

after 6 runs it stops

[fair iron]

Owh thats good to know

[willow dock]

I was talking about mogadors skills, 2 of which effectively resets her reload and have her fire again but under some circumstances. We've already got a answer as to which is faster now tho

[small fern]

How many crystals does each level give on the event

[sweet delta]

Because it bad

[fair iron]

Thanks for answering

[jaunty vault]

Thanks for answering

[soft raft]

yeah the cutscenes you see are basically post-credits that set up for future events, and those are usually like 5-6 runs after you 100% B3/D3

[small fern]

Like each run

[strong tartan]

File:Gold

 en

[jaunty vault]

whats with the new image files being corrupted

[plain saffron]

it's missing images

[strong tartan]

file wasn't golden enough

[small fern]

Best levels are b3 or D3 right

[soft raft]

D3 > D2 > D1 > B3 > etc etc

[kind slate]

will kawakaze be fine at lvl 120 for w14? or 125?

[soft raft]

lvl 120's fine for W14

[small fern]

I'll probably do D3 because I'm new

[tired condor]

are the gold tier research more worth or multiple smaller tier research

[soft raft]

/research

[odd root]

credit: Newbie#1553 and Lunar#7777 https://i.imgur.com/wGQkqJk.jpg

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't say 120 is fine for 14 but it's workable

[steady beacon]

Very much depends on which gold

[spring scarab]

Can anyone say where is this CN anniversary channel i don't see it on my discord

[steady beacon]

Some gold researches are good
Some are, to put it mildly, utter crap

[soft raft]

it got yeeted

[spring scarab]

Yeeted ??

[soft raft]

it's gone yes

[atomic abyss]

channel closed

[whole crypt]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15T421S7PV/

[spring scarab]

Ohhh

[whole crypt]

except you know, they posted the whole thing as a video

[spring scarab]

I wanted to check the new dorm update thing 😞

[whole crypt]

there wasn't much about 3D dorms in the stream

[spring scarab]

So, it's gone take time to come into the game ??

[tired condor]

it's research D but gold tier

[hardy skiff]

how does prototype spearfish compare to wyvern?

[soft raft]

Better damage, no passive intercept, and prohibitively more expensive

[jaunty vault]

spearfish doesnt have better damage lol

[plain saffron]

yeah but would be easier if i can check pins in the channel that have screeenshots and a TL ish below that message wheni click on them

especially when idk CN

[jaunty vault]

its faster

[hardy skiff]

the fact they just announced on CN anniversary stream NJ gun is gonna be added to gear lab makes it an even harder sell...

[jaunty vault]

but wyvern has more damege per airstrike

[strong tartan]

damege

[rose whale]

is the mogador torp in event shop worth getting?

[crimson glacier]

but does it have more dmg tho

[whole crypt]

I don't expect NJ gun to take ordnance but who knows

[steady beacon]

... It depends, to some degree, on how you're measuring, coops

[whole crypt]

Spearfish has more damage total and can target more shit

[soft raft]

It's pretty shit but get it anyways because always get event limited gear

Better to have it and not need it later than to not have it and need it later

[jaunty vault]

ok tbf i did forget it has rockets

[crimson glacier]

you forgot the main gimmick of the whole plane?

[rose whale]

okay, thanks

[strong tartan]

idot

[jaunty vault]

tehee

[hardy skiff]

it's hard to know for sure since it's the first UR weapon from an UR ship event

[whole crypt]

what does it have to do with having to come from a UR ship event

[steady beacon]

Nothing, but it isn't the first UR weapon from a non-UR ship event, I'm guessing is the distinction

[viscid swift]

Ur quints

They were the first

[spring scarab]

Then next rerun might be emden right so,is she worth to get ??

[strong tartan]

divergent chessboard 💔

[viscid swift]

Not from a UR event but from an event non the less

[whole crypt]

also I don't think Mk7 is a very strong reason to not craft Spearfishes even if it does take ordnance

[rapid grail]

vanguard is mostlikely next rerun

[verbal mulch]

Not from a UR event

[soft raft]

that's the next UR event to rerun, not the next event in general in line to rerun

[strong tartan]

emden was between Kron and Van

[strong tartan]

it was the major event separating the two

[steady beacon]

Whenever it does rerun, provided your cubes can handle it, it is worth trying for her, yes

[graceful meteor]

unless you like the ship, I don't think it's worth to pull specifically for her

[hardy skiff]

still what other it is actually the first event UR weapon to be added now that I think about it, rainbow quint mag kinda is but it was already ancient by the time gear lab became a thing

[spring scarab]

That's good I don't have many good ships expect URs and others

[hardy skiff]

all the other UR weapons from gear lab are either gear lab originals or pr guns

[atomic abyss]

isn't emden one of the best CLs

[spring scarab]

Is there a list of ships like links or something where it shows which ships are useful to get them and all ??

[whole crypt]

quint mags are not

[atomic abyss]

rainbow quint mags were from ink stained steel sakura

or was it amagi

no wait i dumb

it was dc lol

the oxy torp was from isss

[hardy skiff]

yeah but they were ancient by the time gear lab dropped, wouldn't be weird for it to be an outlier since only years later we got NJ gun as another UR event weapon

[whole crypt]

firstly I'd expect Mk7 to be a design plan gun
secondly even if it did use ordnance reports I don't consider it a strong reason to prioritize over spearfish

[hardy skiff]

I sure hope so, don't need more ordnance sinks

[opaque galleon]

Does soyuz’s barrage proc during battleship stagger?

[whole crypt]

what battleship stagger

[strong tartan]

her barrage fires once she's done reloading

[hardy skiff]

it procs before she even fires her barrage basically

[steady beacon]

I wanna say the tier list, but even that is uh... not flawless in terms of identifying useful ships
There are plenty of useful ships of various stripes that are not tiered as high because those uses are situational

[whole crypt]

same as VG

[hard mesa]

anything that has "prototype" on its name use ordnance. since mk7 isnt "prototype", it will use deign plan

[whole crypt]

a lot of ships are useful
what do you want them to be useful for though

[soft raft]

and the tierlist doesnt cover all aspects of the game, at most up to W13

[strong tartan]

what happened here

[atomic abyss]

my memory rotted

[strong tartan]

brainrot is real

[spring scarab]

Mostly every content in the game like "all rounder"

[opaque galleon]

The 1s between different battleship salvos, does Soyuz/vanguard barrages fire when they would normally load or after the extended load time caused by the stagger

[graceful meteor]

I can't even remember what isss

[strong tartan]

ink stained steel sakura

[steady beacon]

Huh, interesting...
I always wondered bc...
The oxytorp wiki page says it was once available in "event exchange"
But strangely never said which event

[jaunty vault]

[whole crypt]

it procs on reload like VG, so even if she's stuck on button cooldown with other BBs it'll go off
you don't often get stuck though

[strong tartan]

old events were stacked for some reason I was looking at dc's shop and I find something new every time

[whole crypt]

except oxytorp also wasn't ISSS

[strong tartan]

mic drop

[whole crypt]

if that's the definition you'll only be keeping rainbows mostly

[strong tartan]

didn't it debut from that crosswave raid event thing

[hardy skiff]

wait I never noticed that, yeah guess it's not gonna take ages to craft enough of them uhuuuul

[atomic abyss]

wait surely not vdir

[strong tartan]

no definitely not vdir

mystery of the elusive oxytorp

[atomic abyss]

it was, indeed vdir

[whole crypt]

such confidence

[strong tartan]

what the fork

[soft raft]

lol

[spring scarab]

Understood,does the ship gear changes based on the different game content??

[strong tartan]

back when UR was still called legendary

[atomic abyss]

yes, it absolutely does

[soft raft]

Yes

[whole crypt]

it still technically is, for CN

[crimson glacier]

URs have literally never been legendary

[strong tartan]

aur

[whole crypt]

CN's rarity name for UR is literally naval/ocean legend

[steady beacon]

Oh is that why UR equipment gets auto translated to "legend of the sea"

[graceful meteor]

mostly based on enemy @spring scarab

[crimson glacier]

I'm willing to believe that this guy is just referencing how Bismarck was legendary in the wiki in 2018

[spring scarab]

But I don't understand why I lost the w13 even all my ships are level 125

[strong tartan]

actually yeah

[crimson glacier]

See

[whole crypt]

because you were using the wrong ships/gear

[soft raft]

sounds like a very bad fleet and/or gear issue

[hardy skiff]

W13 usually starts and ends with enemy planes

[whole crypt]

the level advantage helps but it's not enough

[spring scarab]

Then what is this AA thing??

[whole crypt]

anti-air

[atomic abyss]

aa is anti air

[inland shoal]

Huh why is that still using old icon

[soft raft]

the stuff you need to shoot down planes

[dawn hamlet]

is it true doing an oath with a ship unlock more live 2d interaction?

[soft raft]

Oath skins are not L2D skins
Unless you mean possible additional interactions for L2D skins in which case idk

[whole crypt]

probably because the actual UR icon didn't exist back then

[spring scarab]

So,any good anti air guns pls

[dawn hamlet]

yeah additional interaction for l2d

[steady beacon]

In some skins, you get a visible ring
... And in like one or two you get a couple more lines
... Afaik, it doesn't get you more interactions, but I also am not an expert on L2Ds

[gloomy mesa]

about opsi, is there a way for me to reset and change the ships i went in with?

[inland shoal]

Unlock more no I don't think so, it might replace some interactions, but idk, don'T remember any at least

[whole crypt]

I don't think any of the L2D skins have additional interactions
some do show the ring though

[soft raft]

You're prob better off posting your dock in a thread because we have no idea what your fleet looks like

[hardy skiff]

wait there IS a visible ring on some?

[dawn hamlet]

I see, thanks a bunch everyone

[steady beacon]

There indeed is

[strong tartan]

only on some yeah

[toxic harness]

Can anyone explain what "certian gear" is here can't find any info anywhere

[spring scarab]

Yep wait a min

[inland shoal]

More like it's the standard since Shima

[whole crypt]

some of the newer ones will show ring

[worldly pewter]

go in the game mod and near the map icon there is order

[vernal osprey]

I heard from someone that you can change the music background in main lobby now, is it true? if so then how?

[steady beacon]

Then explain why Janus' L2D doesn't have one

[inland shoal]

Not all of them follow it, but it's been rather common since then

[strong tartan]

ASW equipment

[soft raft]

go to a Blue port -> Order -> Fleet formation

[strong tartan]

I'm blind

[hardy skiff]

can you show me an example? I want to see it now

[gloomy mesa]

THANKs

[inland shoal]

Can also be used as free heal once a day btw

[hardy skiff]

oh wait I found one

Anchorage L2D has it

[hardy skiff]

wow I will now keep looking for this

[boreal wagon]

i dislike that on some skins u can very easily tell the ring is just an asset slapped onto the actual l2d

[toxic harness]

I don't have any thing like that I can equip to subs but I do for DDs does that help at all if they are sortied together or do they need to be on the subs

[graceful meteor]

save space

[whole crypt]

our newest friend does too

[inland shoal]

Irl I dislike that on some rings you can tell it's just an asset slapped onto the actual finger

[steady beacon]

I'm glad Thorin made the joke, so I didn't have to

[whole crypt]

I'm pretty sure that thing you have on your DDs is not the battery and there's no point using it anymore nowadays because you can just move your subs

[soft raft]

Only submarines can equip it and 99% of the time it's barely worth it

[boreal wagon]

i more so meant the missmatch in colors/quality/etc

[inland shoal]

Yes I understand what you meant

[whole crypt]

chances are moggies will also have a ring but I don't plan to oath her

[spring scarab]

.

[hardy skiff]

I mean everything is an asset in the end, the problem is feeling like it doesn't belong to the L2D, don't mesh well

[graceful meteor]

hunting range is useless for subs, just go oxy + snorkel and you're good @toxic harness

[inland shoal]

Most jarring are lighting and not properly aligned movement imo

[crimson glacier]

mog just feels weird, even after the buffs idk what am i supposed to use her for

[steady beacon]

I mean, one could argue that the ring you give your ship isn't supposed to be changed just to match what they're currently wearing

[dawn hamlet]

do we know if bearn meta is good or she needs more testing?

[crimson glacier]

like is she just another w14 stomp ship

[toxic harness]

Thanks for the info everyone

[boreal wagon]

yeah its just my own preference really

[strong tartan]

is it not just standard gun dd equip

[whole crypt]

boss should be fine

[inland shoal]

How does that apply to what I said?

[steady beacon]

[whole crypt]

the vid cleo shared of moggy getting instagibbed was when she leapt into Hiryuu's beam spam at around 30% towards the end, she'll probably survive 14 and 15 boss encounters

[inland shoal]

Idek about that, we'll have to see

I don't think that was even close to 30% but whatever

[crimson glacier]

she definitely feels like one of the worst UR releases but idk we will see

[topaz smelt]

I can still see her exploding to torps

[inland shoal]

?

[crimson glacier]

it would be incredibly funny if the ship that they buffed 3 times still managed to be the worst UR

[whole crypt]

there's no more I can tell you since I have no intentions of testing her myself now

[boreal wagon]

idk when the 3rd buff happened but yes

[crimson glacier]

oh was this just 2nd

[topaz smelt]

I think she's still lacking damage

[boreal wagon]

yeah and the 2nd was more of a revision than an actual buff

[hardy skiff]

wait what were the buffs so far? lol

[boreal wagon]

#gameplay-help message
the first was that w/o 1 shot prot, 10% instead of 5% and only 1.5s

[crimson glacier]

im willing to negotiate the buff count from 3rd to 3nd

[boreal wagon]

its more than likely that they pushed the change to JP but not EN to simply evaluate on a broader scope to make a final version next week

[topaz smelt]

What's the timeframe for that 5%

[boreal wagon]

the one shot?

[topaz smelt]

Ye

[boreal wagon]

starts after she has teleported ends when she is unstunned (same with accum)

[topaz smelt]

So like .5s? If even

[boreal wagon]

the stun alone is 1s

[hardy skiff]

there is no way they will let UR from CN anniversary be bad I guess

[boreal wagon]

the one shot protection only really exists to prevent her from taking >=10% from her accumulation since anything else is handled by the invu

how viable or good that makes her i have no clue

[atomic abyss]

nga was cooking some numbers

[topaz smelt]

Weak barrages and torps kinda make her look weak

[atomic abyss]

and it's not that bad?

[patent pivot]

Her dmg is somewhere between ply and hinde (non BiZ) depending on gun skill uptime

[atomic abyss]

which is

[topaz smelt]

She's just mgm2.5 with a fp stick

[strong tartan]

zooweemama

[atomic abyss]

personally i too need to see it to believe it

but i'll be happily proven wrong

[keen sable]

Some skins come with music like ssss

[lean sable]

still worth it to get moga dup in shop besides of her problems I heard? 😄

[hardy skiff]

it's only collab ships I think that can come with music

[whole crypt]

there was never any reason to not get her

[strong tartan]

yat sen and hai tien both have skins that have music

[hardy skiff]

ooooh didn't know that

[boreal wagon]

the tea skins are considered collab (more or less)

[topaz smelt]

idk its hard to say, i tend to prefer some burstiness from vgs, i find just flat line dps is just kinda weak unless she actually has the stats to back it up

[strong tartan]

best skins ever

[patent pivot]

red hinde black mog purple ply, 100% and 0% gun skill uptime respectively, no AoA, 100% hitrate on all torps
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ryzlvnmemx

[hardy skiff]

burst ends up being great for farming Shimakaze sees a lot of use because torps just kill things and Drake having pretty good gun dmg and torp preload also sees a lot of usage for me because she can make battles end faster on most stages

[gloomy mesa]

are opsi enemies with the same average level as an event enemie stronger than those in the event stage?

[crimson glacier]

eh 100% torps

[soft raft]

prob not
either way most opsi mobs are still piss easy so

[cobalt rapids]

what are these calcs assuming

im not going through all the numbers and matching

[topaz smelt]

Prob non moving on both sides

[crimson glacier]

yeah but like enemy stats

[topaz smelt]

Tbh I'd trust these numbers than the cn crap

[crimson glacier]

you arent forced to trust anything

[cobalt rapids]

numbers without explanations sound just like magic

[topaz smelt]

a person who can defend their findings and reproduce it isnt magic

[cobalt rapids]

i agree but i dont think they reproduced the mog numbers

[patent pivot]

my big calculator is broken so its much simplified to make it easier on desmos

• no dodging
• no crits
• no armor stuff
• U% uptime on main guns
• u% uptime on mog's skill guns
• h% hitrate on trps
• this mog is double FP aux because i forgot to change back
• both ply and hinde are 1 non dmg aux, 1 FUMO
• everyone has FP AA gun
• other FP stats are from main guns only and max FT
• 0.1s absCld on guns

[cobalt rapids]

[topaz smelt]

id rather take a guy who can correct his shit than undefined random numbers

[crimson glacier]

is there any gun with 0.1 abso cd

[topaz smelt]

both arent gonna be useful but thats besides the point

[cobalt rapids]

no1 said we should look at cn rice

[crimson glacier]

the guy is just obsessed

[cobalt rapids]

but well thank you for listing all the assumptions
what does no dodging mean ? 100% geo hit ?
and no armor stuff is a nono imo coz different hulls diff guns different mods

[topaz smelt]

i assume 0 eva/luck

[hardy skiff]

armor is a bit annoynig because hinde has like 3 UR guns to pick from

[cobalt rapids]

well yea

[topaz smelt]

you just use the best one for each

itd be really dumb to average them but you can easily just draw 3 lines

[patent pivot]

if you pick an enemy i can put in armor mods

[topaz smelt]

just go with the standard 75eva/25luck

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[topaz smelt]

if you really want to make mog look good you go with light mods

[stuck furnace]

how good new dd gun

[hardy skiff]

the good news is Plymouth gun and new UR DD gun have the same light/med modifiers, but DD gun is 55 on heavy and Ply is 70

[steady beacon]

Good; get it

[cloud fractal]

I finally unlocked FdG development. Are there any tips or guides from like Sam on developing efficiently?

[cobalt rapids]

like best gun dd gun

sam has a research guide in compendium

[topaz smelt]

step 1: push to w12

[hardy skiff]

the UR gear lab one is still bis on some ships though, it's more or less double the aoa and other shot based barrages and buffs

[topaz smelt]

i havent looked thru the list where that would apply and i cant think of any off the top of my head

[meager gyro]

what should i do if i cant kill anything in operation siren anymore? like my ships die before the enemy ships

[topaz smelt]

heal in port

[meager gyro]

so that i fail another time?

[topaz smelt]

then level ships and gear

[meager gyro]

no parts

[eternal basalt]

Use medkits to heal inbetween fights

[night pumice]

how big is the difference between D2 and D3 in terms of event currency drop

[crimson glacier]

i believe its 150 vs 180

[soft raft]

yup
150 being d2 and 180 being D3

[viscid swift]

Then farm more

[meager gyro]

also can someone take a look at my operation siren army and tell me what i should change?

[viscid swift]

The D maps of the event specifically

[meager gyro]

mood low

[soft raft]

sure

[viscid swift]

Then you're just stuck for now

[boreal wagon]

i heard taking breaks is quite healthy i wouldnt know tho

[night pumice]

ah okay that's not too bad then, D2 is oil capped right

[soft raft]

yes all D maps have oil cap

[hallow iron]

Until u heard about sp stages tho

[viscid swift]

My dude, don't use an Agir that's not even dev 20

[topaz smelt]

wheres the other 3 fleets

[viscid swift]

2 of them are non existent practically

[eternal basalt]

Why void spots?

[topaz smelt]

ye its just gonna be level ships and get better gear

idr if you can clear opsi story with this much

[hardy skiff]

it's hard to make much progress on opsi without a good number of leveled ships honestly, grab what you can from there but I doubt you can clear everything

still prioritize farming event and levelling ships

[meager gyro]

which ships should i awaken first?

[topaz smelt]

who ever you can

you pretty much want everyone you use at 120 minimum

[hardy skiff]

NJ is a big priority in particular

Helena too

[topaz smelt]

he prob has like 50k+ cogs

[whole crypt]

I'd cog SF before Helena especially if he can't get a better tank on short notice

[silk helm]

how far can you get without MLB URs?

[strong tartan]

not far

[topaz smelt]

non mlb urs suck

[meager gyro]

19k and 500

[whole crypt]

at this point he's better off putting NJ SF Helena in one fleet with Unicorn

[strong tartan]

non-MLB urs are poop

[sharp token]

should i use richy/alsace/newjersey or replace richy shinano for a opsi fleet?

[frank pulsar]

pretty sure you can clear all content without ur if thats what youre asking
clearing with non mlb ur is much harder though

[silk helm]

or i meant to ask, can you hit like w11/12 without URs?

[meager gyro]

should i awaken duca?

[soft raft]

Depends on what ships you have and how good your fleet building is
URs arent strictly required but they make your life alot easier, especially in more dififcult content

[whole crypt]

he doesn't havev the ships and probably not the gear to split mob and boss fleet now

[topaz smelt]

you can clear w15 without urs

[viscid swift]

He does

[soft raft]

oh that's childs play
I didnt get my first UR until I was about done with W12

[viscid swift]

It just needs more levels and enhancing

[blazing shale]

sovetsky/aslace/zwei is the new bb fleet comp right?

[silk helm]

ohh okie, cool

[whole crypt]

the gear or the ships

[meager gyro]

my gear is pretty ass

[viscid swift]

Both

[whole crypt]

so he's just making bad comps again

[topaz smelt]

gear is more important than ships

[viscid swift]

Yes

[topaz smelt]

and non d30 fdg

[viscid swift]

My dude, just use the reccomendations I gave

[strong tartan]

sg jaw drop

[viscid swift]

Enhance the gear you're using and get more levels and some ships and they'll kick but

[whole crypt]

is this one of those "I told him what to use then he went to make a mess of it again" fleets

[viscid swift]

Using non MLB/dev 30 URs is just making things worse

[lament tree]

Little enterprise was an actual ship? How do I get her?

[viscid swift]

You can't, she's event limited right now

[soft raft]

nah she's perma now

[meager gyro]

still no mats

[viscid swift]

Huh, I don't know how I forgot that

[soft raft]

tho dunno if I would say Little E's good good

[viscid swift]

She's absolutely not

[eager mulch]

because amagi-chan was more important

[atomic abyss]

she's no nano nano

[whole crypt]

you mean no plates or what

[lament tree]

I just think it's funny seeing Lil enty hold a big ass bow

[sweet delta]

used to be the strongest damage child CV

[hardy skiff]

not everyone can be Little Shinano the purple with 9 planes

[meager gyro]

what are plates?

[viscid swift]

Then just be patient and grind more, either way like I said using a non dev 30 FDg and agir is just making things worse

[lament tree]

"What are plates" but is doing opsi

[soft raft]

The things you use to upgrade your gear

[meager gyro]

people told me to play that, now im hardstuck there too

[lament tree]

I highly doubt that if it was from here

if your still learning basics

[whole crypt]

I mean even if we did tell you to play OS I definitely do not think anyone told you that you'll have a good time grinding there

[hardy skiff]

realistically speaking if you have the time to spare, might as well try to farm opsi to some extent, granted not in detriment to farming levels and plates though

[sacred silo]

who should i get from merit shop

[eager mulch]

you should start opsi ASAP but you’re not gonna be able to do everything instantly

[soft raft]

Mainly bullins

[whole crypt]

you want to start doing some OS to get lab materials and gold plates but at your current progression you're not going to get much out of it

[steady beacon]

Huh, is Amagi-chan really 06:30 build time 👀
The rest of them match their elder's...

[topaz smelt]

opsi is something you should start asap for better gear, you should be able to atleast finish the story

[viscid swift]

No one if you're short on bullins, even after pretty much everyone is just collection

[hardy skiff]

you can probably do at least all 1-4 zones

[whole crypt]

he probably ran off to do a C5+ without adapts

[lament tree]

All things considered, this channel is surprisingly considerate of people's need

[viscid swift]

Considering last I checked Unicorn wasn't retroed despite being 115 and still had a +0 gold barracuda....

[meager gyro]

what does this mean?

[meager gyro]

i retrofitted her today

[lament tree]

I just change one ship from vanguard and frontline out for the ships i'm farming right?

[scenic birch]

Is mogador good

[viscid swift]

Yes