gameplay-help

[gritty geode]

i have no idea what im doing, what’s wrong with this

[wind hazel]

almost everything

[gritty geode]

yay

[sharp token]

no i mean the pity should i let it there since i dont need the ur?

[strong tartan]

Feet help

oops typo

[inner delta]

you need to take the pity because they don't stack after reaching enough

[dry kettle]

why is my game saying i have to update it from the playstore yet in the playstore there isnt the "update" button

[plain saffron]

search the name directly in play store instead of from ingame
clear cache play store

hmm seems like we still don't get the new skill so they still cooking

[cobalt rapids]

there was a cn announcement about it yea

[pastel ferry]

Hey, I been wondering about Haku :
Use a Fighter in Slot 1 or not?
Double Tenrai or 1 Tenrai + 1 Wyvern for Slot 2 and 3
Or you go Wyvern and double Tenrai

[cobalt rapids]

haku loadout depends on content and sync demands if any
but she will almost never go 2x tenrai

[pastel ferry]

I see, thank you

[sharp kestrel]

Is this alright equipment?

[cobalt rapids]

everything can be improved

[nimble berry]

did they fix Mogador yet

[boreal wagon]

they made an announcement that they are still evaluating - they being CN

[whole crypt]

CN had a patch, still evaluating, nothing on other regions

[boreal wagon]

CN had a second patch? or do u mean the one from yesterday?

[cobalt rapids]

mg depends on content and what ure facing but u wont use sap gun
seconday depends if u need interception or just fpstick but twin100 is bad as either
aa is usually staag
hpfcr - ok
purple white shell is ok
augment depends if ure vs heavy or not, sword is more generally usefull

[broken spade]

What is the lowest cost fleets you can use for clearing D3?

[whole crypt]

the one from yesterday

[cobalt rapids]

why low cost oilcapped maps

[boreal wagon]

ah i see, yeah the announcement i mentioned was from today so thats the latest news rlly

[whole crypt]

yeh I saw

so... "we know it's (still) broken, we're looking into it, nothing else to report for now"

[cobalt rapids]

thats good feedback

[boreal wagon]

at least they mentioned that they are trying to make it work in hard content ig

[broken spade]

wdym? It’s 801 oil without the x2. Its expensive

[whole crypt]

yes but you can just level ships with it

[cobalt rapids]

801 oil isnt much

[boreal wagon]

801 is significantly less than youd be spending without the caps (using the same fleets)

[sharp token]

the skypirate in gearlab worth building?

[cobalt rapids]

no

[broken spade]

Still a lot for grinding event points

[whole crypt]

that's the key though, because launching a UR that's not usable in hard content is just... but yeh, wait for it

if you really want to low cost the event don't run D3

[cobalt rapids]

only low cost if u have nothing to lvl
and then u dont low cost in d3

[broken spade]

That wasnt my question. If u dont have an answer then nvm

[boreal wagon]

it's weird but given how "novel" her concept is i think it genuinely just slipped by them and they did an oopsie especially given the multitude of issues they had to deal with recently on all servers

[whole crypt]

well if you want to low cost the most efficient is 3-oil B1

otherwise just throw the lowest cost BB/BC and a DD that can survive

you can't get around that BB slot req which will inflate your cost regardless

[broken spade]

Good point

[broken spade]

Ok thx

[sharp socket]

should i spark alsace i got 2 in the same 10 pull and at 140

or is spark never good idea

[inland shoal]

Spark can be a good idea, but with 140 you're still quite a long way off

[sharp socket]

alr

[ivory linden]

does pulling in wishing well count towards exchange for nj and nano?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[ivory linden]

thats nice

[split umbra]

Hi, is there a step by step on what to do for operation siren guide ?

[hallow iron]

How much does sp stages give?

[worldly pewter]

follow the story and try to finish the 4th chapter

[whole crypt]

@inland shoal top pack is 0.75gem/yen
with lucky bag if I get the elite skins it's 0.738gem/yen

[worldly pewter]

800 + 750 as vouchers <- daily

first clear gives u 7500 as vouchers

[whole crypt]

750 7500 make up your mind

[hallow iron]

Damnn I'm missing so much from not being able to do d2/3

[worldly pewter]

i wasn't able to do the SP stage for 2 events i know the feel

[inland shoal]

Smh devs working hard on making it difficult to compare

[whole crypt]

well I guess the 50 cog chips is enough to fill the difference even if the skin sucked

[undone plover]

u can still get 1 mogador without SP comfortably

[hallow iron]

I want the ur bullin

Is that possible

[undone plover]

UR bulin is at 30k milestone. it is very easy for a 3+ week event

[whole crypt]

follow the tutorial
read the tooltip
if you run into any you're unsure you can ask here but you kind of just have to do everything

[worldly pewter]

yeah 30k currency isn't that hard to get giving that the event is 3 weeks

[hallow iron]

Ok nice

I think i be happy if I get the bullin, anything else is extra happy

[split umbra]

Okay I will slowly read up

[hallow iron]

The priority should be UR weapon then magador right for exchange?

[inland shoal]

Mogador uses a different currency anyway

[torn apex]

Who would be the best ur to mbl after nj

[inland shoal]

(Though you probably want to buy both copies in which case you will have to buy some of those UR vouchers)

[undone plover]

if u can 1:1 the easy maps i advise u do them once a day for the x3 bonus. u can get 990 tokens daily for as little as ~600 oil if your 1:1 fleet costs 20 oil

[split umbra]

does this expire every month or can i carry over?

[inland shoal]

That stays forever

[forest palm]

it carries over

[undone plover]

carries over but u should use it since there is not many things to buy and u want to buy the good stuff so it restocks next month

[inland shoal]

Idk if I'd do that if I can do d1 and need lvls

[hallow iron]

What is 1:1 fleet

[worldly pewter]

as long as it doesn't revolve around crossfleet 1:1 sounds like a good idea

[whole crypt]

I guess it worked out okay

[split umbra]

O i see what are the recommend items to get? I can only clear up to 4 corrison level

[elfin hollow]

guys how i can finish these faster?

[worldly pewter]

2 ships in the fleet

[atomic abyss]

You use full iron blood main fleets on higher exp maps like w12/13

In this case, just grind then on the event

[whole crypt]

use 3 ships that fit the XP requirement and grind somewhere with oil cap

[wintry obsidian]

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/935052085913714705 CN will soon be getting a hotfix for a hotfix. Wonder when JP and EN will get the finished product

[whole crypt]

when CN stops complaining (too much) about the fix

[undone plover]

1 backline + 1 frontline ship to minimze oil cost since those maps have no oilcap (unlike D maps)
but if u need the xp i guess u can stay D1 and ignore this

[elfin hollow]

@atomic abyss@whole cryptthanks

[wintry obsidian]

Love that they aren't budging on the issue. They really, really want Mogador to be strong

[faint pecan]

I'm at 56/200 for UR pity, and pulled 1 copy of Alsace, should I keep pulling to try get more or stop now?

[atomic abyss]

Stop

[whole crypt]

actually they already made the hotfix and that announcement is "we're still working on it" not "hotfix soon™️"

[undone plover]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/shop_priority#voucher
if u cant clear those coordiantes though u can just get the books and save for next month

[whole crypt]

if they don't fix mogs it's even more bad rep, because it sets precedence they're willing to screw over new URs if they fail to get the mechanics right

[atomic abyss]

Whatever it is

Not really a topic for here

Until it comes to en

[split umbra]

Oh alright thanks1

[inland shoal]

Anyone found a fight yet Brennus' swords actually survive in?

[late flame]

Ender you wanna take a lookie over at degen-general?

[atomic abyss]

I'm eating dinner

[whole crypt]

the swords proc a barrage if they survive right?

[atomic abyss]

And watching #off-topic

But sure

[inland shoal]

They would

But as soon as any enemy enters the fight they're all gone

[wintry obsidian]

Guess CN are currently occupied with Mogador. Could be worth it if they buffed the swords to be able to take more bullets

[whole crypt]

yeh surviving to 20s is kind of rough with 6 swords only taking 7 hits each

I guess it's only a thing on easier stages :v

[jaunty vault]

just manual lol

[wooden marlin]

GUYS GUYS GUSY

[inland shoal]

Even easier stages just have less dmg not less bullets

[wooden marlin]

HOW DO I GET UR VOUCHER? I HAVE 125 IDK WHERE I GOT THEM

[jaunty vault]

[jaunty vault]

CHECK PIMNS

[forest palm]

if the solution is to manual, then the ship is ain't that good

[inland shoal]

So it's kinda just a worse shield skill without anything special

[whole crypt]

1-1 for sure doesn't throw 42 bullets at you in 20s

[inland shoal]

Yeah cuz it's over in less than that

[wooden marlin]

Nice thanks

[whole crypt]

15% DR is nice though, even if the swords expire

[jaunty vault]

are you sure about that

[whole crypt]

I am

[jaunty vault]

NO PROBLEM MY MAN YOURE WELCOME

so bren is basically better portland no.68

[strong tartan]

hi

[jaunty vault]

hello hru

[strong tartan]

🎉

why are you screaming at other people

[faint cloud]

mog' new skill text

[jaunty vault]

my bad something was stuck in my throat

[strong tartan]

was it a megaphone

[strong tartan]

do we know cooldown for axe of conviction

[jaunty vault]

id answer that but i dont want mods on me

[faint cloud]

the first sentence should be 'when stab' not attacked

[strong tartan]

ok good I was confused

[cobalt rapids]

so basicly 1s extra and half cap vs last patch

[whole crypt]

well the problem is there's no content that wants a tank that's just slightly more durable than Portland and maybe a bit more pewpew
if Portland isn't enough then you'll need a lot more durability, or a lot more pewpew

[strong tartan]

is that enough

or stay tuned ™️

[boreal wagon]

if the wording of the translation is to be believed the damage cap also works differently

[cobalt rapids]

well it addresses the complains that duration was 2 low and DR was not enough
well see if pply happy

[inland shoal]

We'll see, but I don't see her dying during the stab anymore

[jaunty vault]

they wont buff her a thirx time

[strong tartan]

Mogador redemption arc?

[boreal wagon]

she can at most take 5% from any given attack while stabbing - not cumulative like last hotfix

[whole crypt]

did they sort out that initial 0.1s as well

[blissful hamlet]

will bearn meta crystal be available on the meta shop?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[strong tartan]

yeah

[plain saffron]

hmm is that new type of buff or that already there before

[blissful hamlet]

I can see it there?

[jaunty vault]

nagami i dont read moonrunes

[plain saffron]

just learn bro

[jaunty vault]

see what here

[whole crypt]

5% cap + 5% cumulative to proc invul

[blissful hamlet]

wasn't they usually list there but lock until the end of events?

[cobalt rapids]

so no more oneshots bypass

[inland shoal]

Maybe? There is still a 0.1s delay but that should be fine anyway since the teleport also has a 0.1s delay

[strong tartan]

is this a hooray

[boreal wagon]

yeah i overead the second part

[whole crypt]

well we'll find out when it comes

[plain saffron]

iirc 1st one, not on 2nd and so on, not like it makes any difference

[inland shoal]

They moved the teleport below the thingithingy though so idk if that helps with any frame diffs

[whole crypt]

but at a glance unless they broke the skill moggies shouldn't vaporize anymore

[cobalt rapids]

[boreal wagon]

it being listed first would ensure that if any lag happens it happens first

[plain saffron]

ouh 0.1 moved upwards

[boreal wagon]

if this skill works like it does on paper in practice it should fully fix her issues

[remote yarrow]

[faint cloud]

simple test shows it seems good now🧐

[plain saffron]

did you setup notif whenever i pushed or what

[boreal wagon]

no i just happened to be here lol

[inland shoal]

Wonder if this also fixes her stuck weapons tho, haven't rly seen anything related to that

[plain saffron]

iirc that was fixed last patch

[inland shoal]

Hum but how

[boreal wagon]

i havent seen her getting stuck since last last EN patch but i cant see what they changed

[plain saffron]

idk either, magic

[cobalt rapids]

unity magic

[plain saffron]

custom lua library magic

[remote yarrow]

Wait this is made on Unity? No wonder weird stuff breaks

[boreal wagon]

its made in unity and mostly uses lua

[plain saffron]

have you seen a game built on UE4

[south sequoia]

Ello gph, mogador got a 2nd patch?

[plain saffron]

WuWa

[south sequoia]

Whats new for

[plain saffron]

scroll a bit up smh

[boreal wagon]

mog skill fix tldr/explanation:

• while stabbing, any damage taken from a single attack may not exceed 5% of her max HP.
• while stabbing, if she cumulatively takes 5% of her max HP as damage she becomes invincible* for 2.5s
• Example 1: If she has taken 4% so far and takes another 1% she will have taken 5% in total and become invincible.
• Example 2: If she has taken 4% so far and would take another 10% that attack instead becomes 5% (9% total) and she becomes invincible.
• Example 3: If she has taken 0% so far and takes 5% (or more) in a single attack she will instead take 5% in total and become invincible.

* Invincible in this case means bullets, trps, etc pass through her. DoT and similar still affect her.

[jaunty vault]

[inland shoal]

+2.5s

[boreal wagon]

isnt it +1s because it was 1.5s

[strong tartan]

yass queen

[south sequoia]

I assume this also means she won't explode when returning back to formation?

[inland shoal]

I meant + as in adding to what you said

[boreal wagon]

ic

[cobalt rapids]

~~ so + 2.5s~~

[boreal wagon]

it in theory lasts long enough to ensure that yeah

[inland shoal]

Shouldn't yes...unless she somehow takes more than 1s

[plain saffron]

what i'm more interested in, does missing sprites still occurs after last patch

[remote yarrow]

So mogador is finally usable hooray now I'm missing the Bulins

[plain saffron]

what is the AI movement id

[boreal wagon]

in CN*

[inland shoal]

Which one and why does that matter?

[plain saffron]

just curious, or does she use new system, to move to enemy

[south sequoia]

I assume the invuln is still the same as last time where it just disables her hitbox and she doesnt block damage?

[inland shoal]

She just teleports

[boreal wagon]

indeed it is

[plain saffron]

i see, so like that one siren

[south sequoia]

ah that means she won't be as annoying in pvp

[whole crypt]

so I heard the boss laz0rs don't have hitbox collision check and is one of those things that can still hit moggies even during the invul?

[remote yarrow]

pvp

[boreal wagon]

anything that skips collision box checks can hit her - aka anything that doesnt use collision detection

[soft raft]

oh there's a hotfix patch
Is that the Mog fix?

[plain saffron]

AA gun

[whole crypt]

and laz0rs don't eh

[inland shoal]

What lazers?

If you can move out of it it definitely checks hit box

They only stuff that doesn't check hit box is stuff that just hits you no matter what you do

[keen sable]

like avp doesn't check hit box?

[boreal wagon]

i dont see how a laser would work without CLD lol

[whole crypt]

shrug, random people claiming they don't are wrong then

I'd care less personally, don't plan to use moggies after leveling

at least not for now

[boreal wagon]

there really is only a handful of things that could actually hit her (don't ask me to name them tho lol)

[crimson glacier]

so do we know what the new buff is or what is the topic about

[boreal wagon]

yes

[keen sable]

besides avp stop she does global enemy damage...smh

[inland shoal]

Yes

[south sequoia]

.

[plain saffron]

_ _

[inland shoal]

Oh yeah that's another example

[south sequoia]

I'll wait until this change is implemented in EN until I pin it so people are aware of the change

[crimson glacier]

cool i guess

[broken spade]

No. It's in event shop. It'll be in the META Shop when META Shop gets refreshed, which is in 8 days

[plain saffron]

i wish EN at least announce something

[boreal wagon]

JP hasnt either lol

[plain saffron]

on 1st META gacha it was in early shop but locked

[blissful hamlet]

is mogador new patch actually fix her this time or she still sucks?

[plain saffron]

i don't remember if there's no maint on event end or not, that could be a reason why they only do it one time

[south sequoia]

EN/JP hadn't received anything, looks like they're just looking over cn to be a testing ground before rolling it out on all servers so it's less work if they need to re-adjust stuff

[boreal wagon]

CN received the patch a few ago so we dont know but on paper it does

[broken spade]

Yeah, I remember. I think they just changed it this time around to make it less confusing

[plain saffron]

i mean i know they testing on CN but like say something

[keen sable]

in shop but locked sounds reasonable

[grizzled lion]

So I keep seeing preload. Is that the little animation that sometimes happens after you enter a match?

[plain saffron]

i mean like official EN not a pins in gph where only few people can see it

[plain saffron]

prob introduced more bugs

[boreal wagon]

to be fair if im not mistaken CN is a lot more bad reputation if they don't say anything than the other 2 servers are

[cobalt rapids]

preload means starting battle with chargeweapon loaded

[grizzled lion]

Ah.

[cobalt rapids]

some bb have preloaded main guns
some cv have preloaded airstrike
most vanguards with torps have preloaded torpedoes
all vanguards have preloaded guns

[plain saffron]

fair enough

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids does that animation do anything at all or is it just a little fun thing they added?

[cobalt rapids]

what animation

[south sequoia]

they start the battle with their chargeweapon loaded

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids my NJ shoots a missile before the match.

[soft raft]

what

[keen sable]

that's umm oscar

[cunning bison]

modernised

[south sequoia]

huh

[plain saffron]

gear skin?

[soft raft]

no she doesnt
She doesnt even HAVE any missiles in the form she's depicted as

[cobalt rapids]

that is oscar meowficer skill activating

[hard mesa]

[grizzled lion]

@plain saffron maybe. I'll have to look

[cunning bison]

fair enough

[boreal wagon]

if its on the actual map (not in a battle) its what umi said

[faint cloud]

bug(?) detected: when mog is the leader ship, she'll drags teammates forward with her lol

[soft raft]

And it fires a black shell not a missile

[boreal wagon]

does that bug also happen already or did they somehow break her even more lol lemme see

[keen sable]

oscar calls it preemptive strike

[boreal wagon]

can confirm thats not new but it is indeed funny (and prolly still a bug)

[plain saffron]

"i'm not dying alone"

[remote yarrow]

Maybe its a ✨ feature ✨

[boreal wagon]

i mean they dont also teleport with her but the vanguad is set to follow the lead ship so they all just move to her position

[strong tartan]

watch her invincibility work this time but she leads her teammates to doom

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing because vanguard movement is based on leadship position

[boreal wagon]

yeah

[whole crypt]

not sure if that's easily fixable, or at all... but just don't use her as lead

[boreal wagon]

i wouldnt be surprised if they just let it be seems more hassle than it is worth to fix

[cunning bison]

kamikazeeeeee

[plain saffron]

how long until they just banish her to shadow realm, create a copy of her with separate movement than the rest, then copy the hp back to og form after end

[cunning bison]

???

[whole crypt]

yeh the fix might involve a lot more than just on moggie's skill itself

[boreal wagon]

when they rewrite the game

[plain saffron]

i mean ssss ships does a part of that

[boreal wagon]

tho technically its possible to create a carbon copy thats entirely independent i just doubt theyll do it lol

[plain saffron]

i mean they did alsace skill like that so i wouldn't doubt

[boreal wagon]

fair enough

[plain saffron]

[boreal wagon]

i imagine theyll first rollout a survivability fix to all server before caring about that tho but who knows

[remote yarrow]

Wait I'm lost what does she do?

[plain saffron]

split fix = more content

[keen sable]

send her back further for true backstab. then bullets go other way and everyone happy. mog the super evasion tank

[boreal wagon]

thatd be a funny fix

[plain saffron]

apply the buffs to everyone then check if the ship is alsace to actually apply the effect

[remote yarrow]

Oh

[plain saffron]

at least from what i see

[boreal wagon]

wait which effect

[icy mountain]

mog should be banished to the shadowrealm temporarily so that they can rework her skill

[remote yarrow]

Sounds weird but at long as it works

[plain saffron]

iirc the one that check for tag alsace and alsaceha(he?)

[boreal wagon]

they just did on CN and it looks perfect on paper - testing needed tho

[icy mountain]

next patch should be fix no?

[south sequoia]

they've already reworked her skill a 2nd time.

[novel condor]

So they fixed MOG yet?

[boreal wagon]

if this skill reworks as intended it will likely rollout to JP and EN soon, if not theyll further fix it

[icy mountain]

all hail manjuu

[boreal wagon]

yeah they check all ships for the tag alsaceha

[hard mesa]

Wait, what does "take 5% before invul" mean

[whole crypt]

what's this

[boreal wagon]

before triggering her damage cap mechanic she can at most take 5% of her max HP to prevent one shots

[boreal wagon]

alsace HP skill thing

[deft plume]

shop priority for event is twin 138, bearn, 550, mog, other right? if we don't have anything else we need from the shop

[cobalt rapids]

yes but mog is free

[whole crypt]

her zombie heal?

[icy mountain]

interesting to say the least

[boreal wagon]

yeah

[whole crypt]

bearn isn't really a priority unless collection and didn't drop from B/D3

[hallow iron]

Just to be sure, I should get that UR weapon 1st

Then the sr weapon 2nd

Then meta 3rd (idk what this is but people seems to talk about buying it)

Right?

[remote yarrow]

~~35k and she hasn't drop yet ~~

[deft plume]

my drop rate for b3/d3 is...abysmal

[whole crypt]

you'll probably be able to buy her crystals soon-ish from META shop even if you don't get crystals or dupe drops

[boreal wagon]

also it is worth pointing out that while the skill rework for mog fixes her seppuku issues (on paper) she still remains an insanely squishy glass cannon

[novel condor]

Where u getting all the oil

[deft plume]

saved mail

[hallow iron]

How much points u have?

[boreal oriole]

They want her to LaffII Level ya know

[boreal wagon]

i mean CN will always find a way to complain that rainbow doesnt explode the game

[novel condor]

Fair need to save more oil mail

[faint cloud]

cn official account made a announcement that explained sth

[novel condor]

Eh 25k I think

[hallow iron]

Do we buy the two weapon first (UR and SR) ? I'm not sure what's the priority here (I can't farm d2+)

[plain saffron]

so the 5% and 5% part means that total dmg is 5% and even one shot will be limited to 5%?

[remote yarrow]

Uuuh idk havent used saved mail yet

[wooden marlin]

i'm at 160/200 already got ur, continue?

[boreal wagon]

she can take at most 5% before her capping mechanic and the old capping mechanic just with 5%

[remote yarrow]

Nope, stop

Save cubes

[wooden marlin]

why?

[boreal wagon]

more specifically speaking a single attack may not exceed 5% but cumulative attacks cannot either

[plain saffron]

wdym by just with 5%

only cum 5% and no 5% cap for 1 hit?

[strong tartan]

what

[plain saffron]

CUMULATIVE

[boreal wagon]

she had no 5% cap for 1 hit but 10% cumu before

[strong tartan]

oh! okay 😊

[plain saffron]

[boreal wagon]

the second patch basically added a 1 hit protection and lowered her cumu cap by 5%

[plain saffron]

[boreal wagon]

and well extended the duration by 1s

[soft raft]

oh so the 2.5s is just the new total?

[boreal wagon]

yes

[soft raft]

Ah

[remote yarrow]

Cuz its good to have over 400 cubes for UR events in case you get unlucky and reach pity?

If you already have over that go into wishing well or w/e

Just dont pull for dupe

[boreal wagon]

if her cumu cap triggers she basically becomes translucent (figuratively not literally) for 2.5s instead of the 1.5s from before

[inland shoal]

Inb4 her dmg cap makes her take only 5% dmg then that gets rounded down and doesn't trigger her invuln cuz it's less than 5%

[boreal wagon]

it doesnt use counting so it shouldnt?

[faint cloud]

🤔

[remote yarrow]

Moon runes

[boreal wagon]

why does that say 4% cap now

[whole crypt]

just examples of taking damage to 5% cap

[broken pivot]

Is there actually a 2x exp bonus ongoing rn or am I tripping

[remote yarrow]

You are tripping

[broken pivot]

Damn

[plain saffron]

for below commander lvl 80

[broken pivot]

Oh. Well, I am below lvl 80, but the bonus dosnt seem that significant

[boreal wagon]

oh nvm i read it wrong carry on

[remote yarrow]

Oh commander exp

[whole crypt]

1. moggies takes huge ass hit, damage caps to 5% and invul
2. moggies take 4% damage, needs 1% more to proc, if next hit is over 5% it caps to 5%

[boreal wagon]

should now be fully accurate

[remote yarrow]

So if case 2 happens she would recieve 9%?

[whole crypt]

I think what it means is last hit can still cross 5% cap before it activates the skill

[boreal wagon]

it means if the attack that triggers her invu is >5% it will capp it to 5%

[whole crypt]

or whatever % over 1% if it doesn't trigger 5% cap, before invul kicks in

[faint cloud]

maybe there are different understanding

[whole crypt]

so the highest damage she can take from a single hit is 5%, but the last hit she takes to cross the 5% for invul can total more than 5%

[boreal wagon]

if she has taken 4% of her max HP already and then would say take 20% she will instead take 5% (not the remaining 1%!)

[whole crypt]

something like that yeh

[boreal wagon]

still a solid change overall

[whole crypt]

or if she takes 2% then you will take 6% total, and activate the invul

[boreal wagon]

yeah basically her cumun mechanic ensures she can take at most 9% before becoming invu

[boreal oriole]

This should be enough for her from not being One Shotted right? Like what the majority is complaining abt

[whole crypt]

9.9%

[boreal wagon]

i mean u can keep adding 9s forever if u want

[whole crypt]

but yeh, the invul proc is based on crossing 5% and doesn't cap the last hit damage itself

[boreal wagon]

<10% is the correct term ig

[whole crypt]

that's the 5% damage cap part of the skill's job

[boreal wagon]

basically

[hard mesa]

[boreal wagon]

if you wanna be really technicaly the first and second example they gave are actually the same scenario

[hallow iron]

So omega op tier?

[boreal wagon]

needs testing

EN/JP dont even have that fix yet

[late flame]

in before the fix breaks something else

[boreal wagon]

i mean we already found another quirk that we overlooked from day 1

but its more of a funny one that one that breaks her viability

[soft raft]

Lol what is it

[boreal wagon]

if she is the lead vanguard all the other ships will try to follow her when she tps because vanguards movement is dictated by the lead ship

[bright tusk]

laff2 better use mogador gun or UR 100mm?

[zinc prairie]

any improvement or is dis good enough? (EX event stage)

[jaunty vault]

youre fine as long as you kill EX

[tight sandal]

how to finish that "convert any augment module of elite or higher"? I just finished creating Hood's augment at level 1 and it didn't complete the mission

[zinc prairie]

all right : D

[late flame]

if you are not gunning for flex uh i mean high score yeah you're pretty much done with EX

[jaunty vault]

open hoods equip page> click on her augment> click convert

[tight sandal]

ohhhh, I see it now. thanksss

lol

didn't know there was a feature like this haha

[signal plover]

Does doing the ex stage give something special?

[boreal wagon]

500 cog chips

[strong tartan]

500 cog

[native trail]

Who is the best character from here

[forest palm]

4

[soft raft]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[native trail]

Ty

Can u research more than one?

[soft raft]

more than one ship at a time? no

[boreal wagon]

you can eventually finish all of them but you can only "unlock" one at a time

[faint cloud]

Mog still dies because of laser when in hiryuu meta battle tho she's should ignore laser damage
this case rarely happens and it seems that only happens at the end of the hiryuu meta battle rn
maybe a small bug will fixed in the future

[boreal wagon]

it could also be that hiryuu meta's laser is a special case of damage

remember mog only loses her hitbox so if the laser for whatever reason ignores that shell take dmg
either way one instance of issue is a lot less than all of them

[soft raft]

lol

[steady atlas]

[cinder dragon]

I'm sorry, what is this? I don't have it I don't think

[soft raft]

returnee missions

[steady atlas]

i still dont know why they dont make moga invulnerable during her S1 effect

[boreal wagon]

because they likely dont wanna make her the tankiest DD known to man

[cinder dragon]

Got it, thanks

[boreal wagon]

being immune to all damage every 12s for Xs would be insane

[jaunty vault]

dont think it really matters either way, i personally lean towards 100kai but no tests have benn done to my knowledge

[steady atlas]

i dont see it happening any other way, do we have ships that have a skill that IMPLIES eating shit?

even mochi muse, who also stops, stops where you put her and not under the boss's skirt

[boreal wagon]

she already received a second rivision in CN and it seems to fix all the issues we had

making her fully invu just makes her a glorified CA with way too much fire power its not a solution

[steady atlas]

as far as i knew, the issues were her basically losing 10% HP every time she activated S1

[boreal wagon]

thats revision one, she got a new one

[steady atlas]

which does what?

[boreal wagon]

.

its still a 5% but 5% is way more manageable

[steady atlas]

does... does that really fix itr? way i see it she can still eat 9% of her max HP per S1 activation

[boreal wagon]

she can only get 9% if she takes 4% and then >=5% which is unlikely to ever happen

[faint cloud]

yes

[torn apex]

What do I use this currency on

[boreal wagon]

she will either take 5% every stab or less than 5% every stab

[sharp token]

do perseus and uni heals works together or it can't stack?

[jaunty vault]

they stack

[steady atlas]

but it can still happen, it's not like it's fixed

dunno, lets see if there are further changes

[boreal wagon]

i am by no means an expert but the census of people here seems to be to try and buy out all shops every rotation under that opsi shop system

[autumn fox]

how do i get copies of older meta ships

[jaunty vault]

dossier analysis

[boreal wagon]

its an insanely specific scenario now that will almost never happen because she will either take more than 5% (which will instantly cap to 5%) in a single attack or always take less than 5% from every attack cumulating up to the cap, there is only a cheer handful of scenarios where she will take 9% total.

on average she could be taking like 5, 6 or 7% but basically never 9%.

[jaunty vault]

its in the same place where META showdown is

[autumn fox]

ok i was able to get jintsu meta with this but i cant find her anymore after i unlocked her and i need copies to max her out

[sullen creek]

You get crystals not extra copies

[jaunty vault]

there is quite a bit of time before jintsuuM gets archived in dossier

apoc tf are you on about

oh

i understand

[steady atlas]

i am not convinced, the fact that she has to go and basically MUST lose HP feels bad

[autumn fox]

yeah i know i cant get her crystals

[steady atlas]

maybe they just dont want to powercreep laffey 2 tankwise

[autumn fox]

so basically i just have to wait?

[jaunty vault]

go mald in #game-feedback

[steady atlas]

dunno how moga stacks up to laffey 2 in terms of damage

[hard mesa]

Like you would use mogador on meta battle

[jaunty vault]

[steady atlas]

my meta batgtle fleets have been exclusively french ships (except helena) since there have been meta battles

of course i would use mogador there

[boreal wagon]

meta battles and end game content bosses should be her only issues now which is honestly fine

[cinder dragon]

Does it really matter what we use for meta battles? Seems like it just drains oil a little faster and you have to press the button more times

[boreal wagon]

w15 mobbing could potentially still be an issue but you wont use her there anyway due to the sheer AA needed

[faint cloud]

laffey2 damage estimated around 1000 on average while moga has 1500-1600🤔

[jaunty vault]

time saved is time earned

[steady atlas]

i dont get why a UR ship should have issues, unless I am too washed and hindi also loses HP like a collinder does water

[jaunty vault]

dude

[steady atlas]

havent used hindi tbh

[boreal wagon]

i dont get why a ship being UR should automatically imply she is good for every single content the game has to offer

[hard mesa]

Even few used laffii on those hard content despite her tankiness

[sullen creek]

URs bad 😔

[tired condor]

is dorm exp divided

[jaunty vault]

youre just clogging up chat with your mald and clearly this topic isnt going anywhere

[steady atlas]

i feel like you have a very specific, and broiad definition of what malding is

[jaunty vault]

dont care

[tame jungle]

can we not do this in gph pls

[atomic abyss]

[hard mesa]

[atomic abyss]

I just wanted to play BA in peace

[jaunty vault]

lolicon

[atomic abyss]

Let me just make this clear

[tame jungle]

ender has to do the actual ichika

[atomic abyss]

We have already warned people for doomposting and giving incorrect advice about moggers in help

[faint cloud]

moga seems decent now, with high damage and alsace's buff but relatively low tankiness

[atomic abyss]

I mean her base HP was always quite sus to begin with

[steady atlas]

wouldnt know, this is the first time i have come to this server becaue i heard mogador was being looked at

[atomic abyss]

Even without her yeeting herself into the torps/shells

[boreal wagon]

she is a glass cannon through and through and that is intentional

[tame jungle]

@tired condor

[plain saffron]

ping me when patch drop

[tame jungle]

so short answer: yes

very slightly reduced when putting more in the dorm

[boreal wagon]

so never?

[steady atlas]

i dont jhave an issue with a glass canon, i have an issue with a glass cannon that apparently cant dodge and is forced to eat damage with her already limited survibalility, but i guess thats a matter of feedback, so off i go

[atomic abyss]

Seems like napkin calculations but that seems to be accurate idea wise

The thing is, most DDs are frail AF

Laffey II is a very notable exception

[steady atlas]

oh well any further tinkering will depend entirely on how much CN screams

[boreal wagon]

they will never be able to please everyone so this has potential to be the final tweak

[steady atlas]

oh lol

[atomic abyss]

You can't please everyone

[steady atlas]

yeah that part at least is gonna get touchged otherwise she will get everyone killed

[vast sparrow]

Where do I get Emden, I'm confused from the start

[boreal wagon]

that bug isnt new its a day 1 bug and just a quirk with how vanguard movement works

[viscid swift]

you can't, she's event limited

[steady atlas]

she is a limited event ship, gotta wait for rerun

[vast sparrow]

B r u h

[boreal wagon]

you should not be sortieing a DD in the tank position in the first place lol

[steady atlas]

i dont think that excuses the bug lol

[boreal wagon]

it does not but it makes it less of a priority as most people won't actually encounter it

[sullen creek]

I sortie DD in tank

[boreal wagon]

i said most people

[gloomy mesa]

Are Helena's skills worth upgrading?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[viscid swift]

yes

[strong tartan]

yes

[gloomy mesa]

okay thanks

[soft raft]

luckily though, her event is the next one in line to rerun

No date tho

[orchid tulip]

best way to farm t1 stuff?

[gloomy mesa]

share some with me brother

[atomic abyss]

Considering her skill is what makes her good
Yes

[gloomy mesa]

are all event maps about the same difficulty as this one?

[orchid tulip]

share what? lol

[gloomy mesa]

all of it

[soft raft]

you should be maxing out the skills of anyone you're using
Except for like one exception which is Portland because her defensive skill barely gets much benefit and her sister skill is useless

[gloomy mesa]

well ignored helena for a while but protland has lvled skill soo.... the more you know

[orchid tulip]

for real, I'm very low on t1 parts, t2 and t3 are in much better numbers. Should I farm 2-4 map or what?

I think w12 stops giving you t1 parts

[jaunty vault]

thats w13

w12 still gives T1 albeit the quantity is pretty low

you will deplete if all you do is 1h Q

[orchid tulip]

yeah I just need a quick replenish on my t1 stacks

[jaunty vault]

start buying whenever they pop up in shops and farm below w13 or event as already said

lot of endgame players face T1 plates shortage

[arctic lava]

wut ships to use to clear world 14? i have almost every ship in the game except for most meta ships and URs such as Zwei, Yorktown II and the 2 recent URs

[orchid tulip]

I'm doing that

[viscid swift]

well what state are they in? having them and them being in usable states are 2 very different things

[thorny surge]

How many salvos can Alsace fire once you mlb her ?

[jaunty vault]

depends on duration of the battle

[tired condor]

my bb be missing against a stationary target just like my val teammates

[viscid swift]

she has mgm+2 like just about every opther BB

[split umbra]

What can I do with the extra copies? I have them MLB already

[jaunty vault]

retire

[viscid swift]

retire them for medals

[thorny surge]

No I mean like my bad , I meant volleys ? How many volleys she fires per salvo

[jaunty vault]

mgm+2 means she fires thrice

[thorny surge]

Oh thanks

[undone plover]

she is the only MGM3 with preload right?

[crimson glacier]

no

[viscid swift]

Flandre

[calm rose]

Flandre

[atomic abyss]

flandre

[split umbra]

O just retire any extra copies? How about UR?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[undone plover]

[viscid swift]

the same thing

[thorny surge]

Ou that's new to me also

[gloomy mesa]

is there a boss for the sp stage? or do i have to take out every enemie?

[split umbra]

Ah okay thanks

[gloomy mesa]

if it's the later i'm doomed

[soft raft]

Yes, and no, only 7 before the boss appears

[viscid swift]

yes, no you just need to beat 7

[atomic abyss]

except... portland is one of the ships in which her skills can be ignored

[thorny surge]

Maybe 8 escorts before boss spawns

[atomic abyss]

7

[jaunty vault]

take out the elite that is engaged with your second fleet for thr boss to appear this might be wrong

[soft raft]

7

[gloomy mesa]

well i'm still doomed

[thorny surge]

[soft raft]

wdym

[gloomy mesa]

the damage output compare to d3 is crazy

[arctic lava]

here are some of my ships

[gloomy mesa]

i'm running with only one fleet, soo... facing the boss wihtout amoo will kill me

[viscid swift]

in a thread please...

[undone plover]

u dont do SP with one fleet

[arctic lava]

idk wut a thread is (i dont use discord as much)

[undone plover]

if your mob fleet can clear the mobs comfortably then swap your fleets on D3 and start levelling the boss fleet. (assuming u have a second fleet)

[thorny surge]

What's the average level of your ships

[gloomy mesa]

111

[orchid tulip]

if you find a map too difficult you are most probably ignoring air superiority

[tired condor]

how do i assert air superiority

[orchid tulip]

become a plane

[atomic abyss]

Oi

[thorny surge]

You should be able to clear the sp , if u like run 6 ships in a fleet , assuming u have unicorn also

[atomic abyss]

the tldr is
more carriers

[thorny surge]

Even without her should be easy enough

[atomic abyss]

nah

new player won't have good gear

[thorny surge]

Then definitely use uni

[gloomy mesa]

yes i do have unicorn, but i already lost a ship

[gloomy mesa]

absolutly true

[thorny surge]

Do you happen to have a hedgehog yet ?

[undone plover]

u really wont be able to one fleet it.
get your mob fleet to a comfortable level. then start levelling boss fleet.
you would have to do that anyway for campaign.
it doesnt need to happen today but the sooner u do it the better
do you have a boss fleet already?

[calm rose]

Retrofitted? Your unicorn, is your gear at +10?

[gloomy mesa]

i kinda have a boss fleet, but i'm not sure about the mob fleet

[gloomy mesa]

retrofit yes, gear no

[undone plover]

post it here let us have a look

[orchid tulip]

I mean this

[atomic abyss]

[quasi radish]

Guys, I need help. I updated my game today and it is stuck on "update complete, loading game" I waited for 2 hours and its still same. Any ideas?

We dont have Azur Lane on play store in our country so Im using Apkpure

[gloomy mesa]

one moment currently in sortie

[quasi radish]

I just want to see my beloved ones once again

[jaunty vault]

clear cache, force stop, restart game, if doesn't work, move to #tech-support

give it a minute or two after restart

[quasi radish]

I did all of them and it didnt work so I re-installed it and still same

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

apkpure probably giving out an old app version

[quasi radish]

Oh and Im using Bluestacks on pc to and its same here. It doesnt works on mobile and pc

[jaunty vault]

apparently it works for some people if you change device language to JP or CN

[orchid tulip]

I had to delete the app and reinstall it, it said something about version not coinciding, I think it's because of the new HUD

[jaunty vault]

but anyways #tech-support if nothing works

[atomic abyss]

double shell is standard for almost all BBs

[quasi radish]

Maybe this is the problem. I downloaded Azur Lane with Apkpure. Any idea to how to download it to bluestacks?

[rapid grail]

hmm, can try qooapp

[quasi radish]

For fp its good in my opinion.

[atomic abyss]

fire radar is only used for timing purposes

black and white shell is superior for almost every other case

[quasi radish]

Is it like Bluestacks or something like that?

[atomic abyss]

no it's a different apk source

[rapid grail]

it's a service just like apkpure, i said it because it worked when i tried out AL JP for a while

[quasi radish]

Im on EN so can I use it?

[rapid grail]

bluestacks (or any other emulator for that matter) you drag the APK to

[rapid grail]

i seen every version of AL there so do go ahead

[quasi radish]

Im downloading it to my phone. And I will return here for the results.

[worldly pewter]

change the device language to jp cn or kr

[quasi radish]

I cant read them but I will try. Hardcore mod 🗿

[pulsar thistle]

Who does alsace compete with among UR BBs? Vanguard?

[rapid grail]

qooapp pc website, it has it

[atomic abyss]

seems to be comparable to soyuz/sushi so yeah...
i suppose vanny

[rapid grail]

Vanguard and Kearsarge, in the context of anti-light and medium'

[pulsar thistle]

Does she beat her in any way or sidegrade? It hard to decipher her kit

[atomic abyss]

no she just does more damage

[pulsar thistle]

Ohh Lol

[atomic abyss]

basically her damage is high enough to make up for the buff loss

and yes, she does have her own debuffs tho
so sorta competes with vanny there

[pulsar thistle]

I can see that from my testing. Basically "buff by killing the enemy" lol

[atomic abyss]

the main thing is her preload

[pulsar thistle]

Is her 2nd skill french ship combo needed or just extra?

[pulsar thistle]

Brest seems good with her but idk

[atomic abyss]

that remains to be seen

[pulsar thistle]

Thank you!!

[atomic abyss]

it is a possibility that we might be able to move agir out for brest tho yes

[strong tartan]

Brest ftw

[rapid grail]

Looks great, just need to level up. and that's a pretty easy

[orchid tulip]

why is your poor helena purple

[pulsar thistle]

Did brest have debuffs like agir does? Might not be that easy but well see i guess

[rapid grail]

not yet retrofitted

[atomic abyss]

what's wrong with helena being purple?

her retro is low prio

[gloomy mesa]

was told that her retro wouln'd do much so I'll do her after i get nelson done, maybe even after sara

well maybe even after colorado

[unborn owl]

any suggest loadout for hanako mogador?

[atomic abyss]

nah
you only need nelson
no need colo at that point

[soft raft]

Typical DD stuff, nothing special

[gloomy mesa]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1242185893394255884 my dock and what i was suggested to do is in here

[unborn owl]

how about this one?

[gloomy mesa]

yeah farming gold for nelson right now

[keen sable]

that is correct. without high reload you may not even meet the 20s threshold

[soft raft]

Ehhhh
Remains to be seen but most likely not

[keen sable]

yeah quick calc shows a 120 0 tech penny is at 22s

[gloomy mesa]

and you lost me

[orchid tulip]

you can get a free copy of Heinrich or Chapayev in a few days, I'd change Helena for one of those and move Laffey to central position

[keen sable]

the main benefit of helena retro is the ability to have her trigger at 16s instead of 20s. But your BB and CV are so slow that would be bad. That is why you don't need Helena Retro yet

[gloomy mesa]

oh okay

[unborn owl]

is this fine?

[soft raft]

Heinrich would replace Breenus and Chappy frankly would go nowhere

[gloomy mesa]

well i'm basicly out of bullins after i get kuyby done, so they would have to wait anyways

[keen sable]

reinvesting in heiny sounds bad

[orchid tulip]

staph emoting me, helena is not doing much there for him and this is supposed to be a mob clearing fleet

[eager mulch]

0 lb mog 🚮

[keen sable]

they're a one fleeter

[still gate]

i remember i had a post or thread (i dont remember where it was) with complete breakdown of all worlds (their features and tactics) does any of you happen to have link to it?

[unborn owl]

broke

[keen sable]

of course helena is in mob...

[soft raft]

This? https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbguide
It's kinda outdated tho so

[gloomy mesa]

don't have a mob fleet brother, one fleet only right now

[orchid tulip]

helena is for boss/ex afaik

[grizzled creek]

Is there a guide for weapons/guns or wtver

[soft raft]

Yes but did you not read like 6 lines up

[keen sable]

if you can convince them to not one fleet please do

[soft raft]

do /equip in #bot-spam

[grizzled creek]

Thx

[rapid grail]

there was a stupid glitch bug* that got patched yesterday

tl;dr this french torp acted like a teatorp instead of the weird fan angles it fires
and it fired a total of 9 torps everytime
something something spread reduction, so ships like shima and harbin were able to use the bug.

since ti got patched it's quite irrelevant nowadays

[orchid tulip]

I know he's broke in bullins right now, just giving him advice for the future

[unborn owl]

what kinds of glitch?

[keen sable]

they described the glitch...

[orchid tulip]

isn't chapy much better now thx to her augment?

[rapid grail]

recorded it, here's footage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1081605862189174834/1242799457909735534/Record_2024-05-22-19-18-03_41be58ba4732ca6a1097a3b2524cd3ac.mp4?ex=6651c9b0&is=66507830&hm=1d4c521934a3cd0e757b74b9587d7c8e781d35cc66b7f2490fa1ae422a9028c3&

[soft raft]

yes she's good but in the long term, you wont really be using her much over other top options

[tropic tusk]

for these mission is it better to do b3 where all of them togeter or d3 but lesser at a time?

[unborn owl]

that was too op torp. ngl, too bad it's fixed

[atomic abyss]

i'd advise 1 by 1 unless you're hard carrying them

[viscid swift]

considering that means actually clearing B3....

[gloomy mesa]

so it's not that i don't want a mob fleet, i'm just broke af right now, lol

[tropic tusk]

so b3 where all of them can go in in 1 go?

[orchid tulip]

I did b3 a few times with them, leveled them up to 10 with some +hp accessories and done

[soft raft]

I just hard carried them two at a time on D3
They dont have to live to complete the missions, they just have to be in the fleet that fights the boss

[orchid tulip]

I thought they had to survive it lmao

[tropic tusk]

oh yea they only need to kill boss fleet

[wispy pendant]

is the event torpedo ever useful for something?

[atomic abyss]

we don't know

[viscid swift]

I rather doubt it

[eternal moth]

Uh... did they just break hard mode selections? I can choose only premade fleets instead of what I had before for chapter 13 hard modes

[faint cloud]

maybe a normal level, less magnetic

[gray sphinx]

so am I cooked if I don't have any cubes going into this event?

[eternal moth]

Maybe you'll get lucky

[gray sphinx]

rip I guess I'll just grab mogador and then wait for the rerun

[soft raft]

you have like 3 weeks

[eternal moth]

Oh wait, it's only 13-1. Weird

[gray sphinx]

I guess I do have cubes from the homecoming event too

[gloomy mesa]

nah my brothers luck is probably as cursed as mine that's why he is cooked

[uncut oar]

I have 2 snorkels (and using ldv) + 3 hulls, sitting on +10 black shells atm, is it time to think about buying core ships?

[atomic abyss]

where are the white shells

[uncut oar]

I am using them all but have enough

[atomic abyss]

then yes get indep

[uncut oar]

I have indep

[soft raft]

then everyoone else there is collection/tech points

[gray sphinx]

how do we feel about alsace? I don't think the datamine is updated enough to give feedback just yet. She looks a bit situational from the kit I saw

[uncut oar]

I mean the ones that aren't particularly useful except for fleet tech

[atomic abyss]

as strong as the other UR BBs not named warkai

[kind needle]

Should I ditch Unicorn or Uni still better?

[uncut oar]

Uni better

[atomic abyss]

uni retro still better

[uncut oar]

Uni powercrept percy so yeah

[gray sphinx]

use them both. Especially for event runs. switch between them both

[crimson glacier]

perseus jus has no place with uni being in the game

except waifu fleets

in events you dont need either cmon now

[soft raft]

Perseus + Unicorn is overkill for event content in terms of heals
and in some places Peseus + Unicorn is a bad idea

[eternal moth]

What advantage does Percy have over Unicorn, in your opinion? Personally, I find Uni better in almost every situation

[uncut oar]

Not true, percy doesn't do damage outside of her double preload which is a waste, event maps can be steamrolled anyways so even using healers or maxed ships is marginal

[kind needle]

But, is she good with mobbing just like uni? I’m running MP, UniKai and IndepKai, is that good or should I ditch someone?

[orchid tulip]

does unicorn have preloaded air attacks though?

[gray sphinx]

nah I use uni and then shove her in the dorm after her morale runs low and then switch to percy

[atomic abyss]

she does

[uncut oar]

1 preload

[soft raft]

after retrofit she gains 1 preload without the +90% longer reload attached to it

[atomic abyss]

she only has 1 preload
but doesn't have the scuffed reload or the shit efficiencies

[uncut oar]

Which is better than percy's double preload because uni doesn't have bad airstrikes

[crimson glacier]

even this just stomps the whole event

and it stomped the event before bearn and mogger too

[gray sphinx]

is that new meta character actually good??

[atomic abyss]

all the gold metas are decent - good ships lol

[soft raft]

Perseus used to be the best healer back before Unicorn retrofit was a thing
People stuck up with her double preload in W14 back then, but nowadays there's extremely little incentive to hard pull for Perseus

[uncut oar]

Bearn meta is actually just an event SR so she's decent

[karmic pebble]

when are we getting meta dock

[atomic abyss]

we got it

[crimson glacier]

we already got it no?

[atomic abyss]

[soft raft]

three days ago

[karmic pebble]

huh really??

[atomic abyss]

yes...

[boreal wagon]

despite what the name implies its not really a separate dock your meta ships just dont take up space

[karmic pebble]

ohhh

[uncut oar]

no more -1 dock space with every meta

[still gate]

yeah i also thought that there will be some way to switch between windows or smth like that

[kind needle]

Will triple cvl in a mob fleet do in W13?
Like Unikai, percy, and IndepKai?

[viscid swift]

you can drop Perseus for more damage

[uncut oar]

Just don't bother with percy tbh

[atomic abyss]

they will work... but the one you suggested just sounds dumb
drop percy for someone else

hell a casablanca would do better there

[soft raft]

no she wouldnt
her buff doesnt stack with Indep's

[kind needle]

So, should I slap marco polo/richelieu as flag then?

[atomic abyss]

oh right

[soft raft]

depends on if you can safely get away with double CV or not

[rapid grail]

Used to, now it got patched away. Back to irrelevance

[uncut oar]

Why richy when you're not running french

[distant lodge]

Chat is using percy and unicorn a good idea in w14🥴

[atomic abyss]

no, use something else with uni
like aqui or volga

[uncut oar]

Percy bad as we have said like 20 times in the past 5 minutes

[jaunty vault]

not the worst idea tbh

[soft raft]

She's still buffing herself so it's not all wasted

[rapid grail]

use either, using both is never good for clear attempts

[atomic abyss]

just to be clear

no one said percy was bad

[kind needle]

Boss fleet have 2 cv, a dev 30 Haku, shinano with musashi as flag. Idk if that will suffice in W13 clear, (still 13-1 since my ships are below 110, grinding 12-4 for exp)

[atomic abyss]

there's no reason to use her =/= bad

[uncut oar]

Compared to uni she categorically is, using percy with uni is even worse

[distant lodge]

Also, what can i do with the subs? I keep having a hard time with them. I try to use that hedgehog thing but i only have 1 of em.

[eternal moth]

I do

[atomic abyss]

then you're a fool

[jaunty vault]

and wrong

[soft raft]

Hedgehog on your DD or whoever has the highest ASW stat
And DDs and CLs (Excluding Mainz) have default ASW charges

you can also give CVLs a ASW plane in one of their aux slots

[rapid grail]

hedgehow +asw plane on healer cvl deals with most subs outside of out of ammo situation

[jaunty vault]

😊

[atomic abyss]

perseus is still a better healer than every other true healer in the game outside uni kai

if that makes her bad idk what to say honestly

[eager mulch]

Perseus good

[rapid grail]

perseus good, uni better and perma content

[distant lodge]

Will they still do decent damage with 1 steam catapult?

[crimson glacier]

yes

[rapid grail]

yes

[atomic abyss]

yes, the loss of damage isn't big

[distant lodge]

Thank you.

[atomic abyss]

and personally, i still prefer using percy for opsi, even tho uni is better
sucker for the crossfleet

but then again opsi mobbing is

[wispy pendant]

What did it used to do, what does it do now?

[eager mulch]

1% heal 40s into a fight

[uncut oar]

I mean opsi mobbing is the one place I absolutely think using percy is valid because her healing is frontloaded, you're healing for both airstrikes for each mob fight

[soft raft]

comically small 1.5% heal in opsi

[eager mulch]

used to shoot 9 tea torps, now it shoots a wave of 3 and 2 normal torps

[atomic abyss]

maybe i shd really consider using chise....

[rapid grail]

could've told you to scroll up but ig people r too lazy for that. here, monsieur

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1081605862189174834/1242799457909735534/Record_2024-05-22-19-18-03_41be58ba4732ca6a1097a3b2524cd3ac.mp4?ex=6651c9b0&is=66507830&hm=1d4c521934a3cd0e757b74b9587d7c8e781d35cc66b7f2490fa1ae422a9028c3&

[atomic abyss]

but eh i have impero for stagger so

[soft raft]

(which only works if you're not planning on soloing harder opsi content with your mob fleet)

[wispy pendant]

9 torps sounds like not intended, but sad that it was good and now is not

[unborn owl]

any example of great SS fleet beside wolfpacks?

[atomic abyss]

albacore archerfish flasher is the best SS comp currently

[uncut oar]

Which is why I use uni instead, but its not a bad argument to make under the context of wanting to argue for percy

[unborn owl]

i don't have archerfish

[wispy pendant]

who is the sub in the middle/flag?

[atomic abyss]

in the first place

if you already have a gold sub fleet maxed
there's almost 0 reason to raise another

[uncut oar]

If you aren't soloing stronghold bosses or abyssals with your mob fleet percy does help with things like tile HP drain

[atomic abyss]

the difference between wolfpacks and archer comps are small

[steady beacon]

... Am I tripping...
Isn't the cross-fleet 3% at 20s...?
Or is the skill description in the game and the wiki wrong??

[eager mulch]

but I am soloing strongholds

[patent pivot]

anyone got links to data for that sub comp? never ran tests myself but from what i saw from other people old comp was still performing better

[atomic abyss]

...wait am i not supposed to solo strongholds with my mob fleet

[steady beacon]

You certainly can, if you want, yes

[uncut oar]

Nobody said that...? I do that with my mob fleet aswell...

[atomic abyss]

ok well, i do use my boss fleet for the last node

[steady beacon]

The stronghold boss is... kind of a joke compared to an Abyssal or, god forbid, the Arbiter

[rapid grail]

I make it a point to at least build a one-fleet solo stronghold mob fleet

[eager mulch]

opsi reduces it to 1.5% after 20s

[steady beacon]

Yes, but it IS at 20s right

[eager mulch]

I didn’t remember because it’s so irrelevant

[crimson glacier]

it does more harm than good

[uncut oar]

Any reason to use gold soyuz gun btw?

[atomic abyss]

timing

[crimson glacier]

wasnt it for kear

[steady beacon]

It is pretty beautiful on Bismarck tbh

[patent pivot]

someone ran tests right?

[silver lintel]

I used wishing well to get her

[steady beacon]

You mean uh
USS sub vs wolfpack?

[uncut oar]

Timing, yeah that tracks

[patent pivot]

albacore archerfish flasher
vs
U556M da vinci U47

[soft raft]

I use it on Vanguard to slow her down slightly and bring her closer to BZ and Soyuz

[rapid grail]

bis anti-medium bb gun, surpassing mp gun. great on ships that are good against medium armor

[unborn owl]

albacore on middle
flasher on top?

[soft raft]

Soyuz gun is essentially a timing sidegrade of champy gun

[atomic abyss]

im assuming you mean flasher not fletcher

[rapid grail]

yea

[unborn owl]

that's what i meant

[uncut oar]

That's a nice thought.

[steady beacon]

Practical tests, I have not seen I must admit
I've only seen calculations so far
Also with Homura in 3rd slot of the unaffiliated sub comp
If you want some practical tests, I can try something in a couple of days

[patent pivot]

thats funny, ALO the bastion of test > math boosting a comp that hasnt been tested. I'll run some tests too when I have some time this weekend

[hard mesa]

in my experience uss seems did better

[still gate]

should I farm the event? if yes then which stages? btw my fleet is to weak to clear D stages

[subtle flax]

can a war archive ship like Vampire drop from mobs on the map its supposed to drop from? or only the boss? I'm using a "zombie" fleet to try and get ambushed over and over again to get around the data key limit

but i'm afraid vampire will never drop... i can't tell if i'm just having bad luck

[soft raft]

D3 at best
if you cant, highest stage y9ou can

[atomic abyss]

...there is wishing well ya know

[subtle flax]

vampire is not part of the wishing well

[atomic abyss]

is she not

[subtle flax]

she's an event ship

[eternal moth]

It depends on rarity and ship I'm pretty sure.

[atomic abyss]

oh she's medal shop

just wait for her to pop up there

[eternal moth]

But you can always check the wiki to see where to get her

[still gate]

lol. cleared b3 for the first time rn and got bearn meta. anyway should i farm c3 then?

[subtle flax]

vampire is elite, not SR... and the mobs say "elite or lower"

[crimson glacier]

i dont see any point in c3

[subtle flax]

yes... the wiki says "SP3"... it doesn't say the boss or not...

[atomic abyss]

here's my answer

assume it's boss only

[crimson glacier]

i doubt its boss only

[atomic abyss]

bcos only bosses have guaranteed ship drops

i personally doubt it's boss only myself

[sweet delta]

If it doesn't say then assume it's mobs and boss

[atomic abyss]

and ambushes ship drop rate is a joke

[eternal moth]

It can drop from any node, since it's only the SSR that drops from boss-only

[sweet delta]

But don't assume it's ambushes because nobody ever cared to test ambushes

[atomic abyss]

ambushes drops are piss

[eternal moth]

Higher rates from elites and boss usually

[subtle flax]

right, but there's no pity for the SP war archive ships, so anything that lets me farm indefinitely is a good way to save data keys... maybe... or maybe the drop rate is so piss poor i'm wasting my time lol

i'll farm for a while and get back to ya'll

[atomic abyss]

i feel like you're wasting your oil

[sweet delta]

Idk what you want to be saving data keys for

[subtle flax]

you may be right...

[subtle flax]

idk, they're a limited resource it seemed like a good idea? but my oil is ticking down...

[topaz smelt]

Not really looking limited but time gated, you're still better off farming the event than wasting oil on nothing

[sweet delta]

There's very little worth farming in archives from a meta standpoint, just Jeanne and some iron blood tech wrapped up in 120 keys. After that it's just collection like you're doing with vampire, and you have 2-4 years for collection due to event cycle waiting

[strange vault]

so archives are just like, ignore completely, even if ur full on archive keys or w/e?

unless you want something specific ig

[subtle flax]

there's waifus to farm

but you make a good point w/r/t event cycle waiting, when that comes around again i can farm the boss instead of this ambush trash

[keen sable]

what ambush...

[subtle flax]

i'm running a fleet that has terrible detection and the ambush rate is "high"

[atomic abyss]

scroll up

[keen sable]

irrelevant

clearing mode disables ambushes

[little chasm]

how good are fleuret and brennus?

[atomic abyss]

shit and decent

standard gold CA

[little chasm]

should i use them if im new?

[atomic abyss]

how new

[keen sable]

2 SR isn't crazy. 3 might be borderline. 4+ is crazy

[little chasm]

3ish days

[atomic abyss]

no to either then

[little chasm]

oh

[subtle flax]

there's no clearing mode in the war archive for vampire (for some reason... can't run high efficiency either)

[atomic abyss]

you might use brennus eventually, but current your fleet should be
pennsylvania + unicorn + another ship
portland + starter + helena

[plain saffron]

Which stage is this even

[atomic abyss]

sp3 in vamp event i assume

[plain saffron]

Are you sure it's not because not 100%?

[atomic abyss]

at this point why not just farm aurora noctis

[little chasm]

should i lb any of them?

[atomic abyss]

you use all of them, so limit break all of them

there is no reason not to limit break ships

[ripe bluff]

Guys does mogador want to shoot ap or he

[little chasm]

i thought it makes the oil cost a lot more

[keen sable]

are you calling escort fleets ambushes?

[atomic abyss]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[atomic abyss]

doesn't make a damn difference for DDs in practice
what matters is the gun itself

[plain saffron]

Ap vs he only relevant for bb gun

[atomic abyss]

CA

[ripe bluff]

What would you recommend

[keen sable]

it does. meanwhile your primary goal is to push HARD

[atomic abyss]

twin 120

[plain saffron]

But all good one are normal

[sweet delta]

The rainbow gun in the event shop

[little chasm]

push the event or the story?

[atomic abyss]

or yes the gun in the shop

[ripe bluff]

Oh right

True

[tender kiln]

guys alsace is good ?

[hard mesa]

same gun as nimi if based on those ss

[sharp token]

what skill lvl you need to get the 2nd preload of perseus?

[keen sable]

ship levels so story. sweep the daily event bonuses but push ship exp hard, which is done in story (or any cost limit map)

[atomic abyss]

gacha UR
so very very good when mlb

[silk helm]

yeah

[atomic abyss]

i think it's 7?

don't quote me on that tho

[tender kiln]

is better than new jersey no mlb?

[atomic abyss]

you shdn't use any ships that are not LB
but assuming both are mlb
alsace is better

[sweet delta]

Every mlb main fleet ship is better than NJ with 0lb

[keen sable]

both trash?

[little chasm]

can anyone hop in vc to give me some quick pointers?

[tender kiln]

i want start play now is good for new account alsace?

[atomic abyss]

any gacha UR is good for your account

ASSUMING THEY ARE MAX LIMIT BROKEN
which is impossible for a new player

[wispy pendant]

now is always a good time to start, but you don't get much cubes on new account, so there really isn't a "reroll"

[eager mulch]

Alsace is good for a new account but it’s gonna be a while before you use her

[tender kiln]

😭why i can mlb her?

[wispy pendant]

Alsace probably going to take 3-4 months to finish on a brand new account

[atomic abyss]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[keen sable]

I think they mean using Alsace instead of LI or something. It's okayish. One ship won't change anything other than sucking ||an immense amount of oil||

[atomic abyss]

i mean this event drops nelson so

[keen sable]

can you?

[tender kiln]

how many cube need to mlb any ship?

[wispy pendant]

how fast for a newbie to get 4 bulins if they don't get dupes of Alace? Think they could even get to 30k event points?

[atomic abyss]

because you need rainbow bulins which are VERY rare

[keen sable]

1600

[atomic abyss]

assuming 0 UR bulins

[eager mulch]

assuming UR only

[viscid swift]

Realistically max 2 months

[tender kiln]

ok i think i dont start play

[keen sable]

i just hope 1600 is high enough to dissuade them from using cubes

[atomic abyss]

[eager mulch]

the sooner you start playing the better tho

[atomic abyss]

dude

[tender kiln]

[atomic abyss]

^

[viscid swift]

Cruise pass, 2 months worth of cores, bullin support plan

Azur lane is a game that heavily rewards long periods consistent play

[wispy pendant]

alright, I'll reset my advice expectations

[keen sable]

a 2 LB Alsace isn't going to be complete trash either but does suck ||oil||

[small fern]

I got rodney can i finally drop pensylvania

[sharp token]

event gives ur bullin too

[viscid swift]

The later you choose to start the worse of a position you're putting yourself in

[atomic abyss]

you could, but she isn't nelson so i wouldn't recommend it