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[crimson glacier]

if she beats vanguard by margin, that means she beats her a by a shitton in campaign

[blissful hamlet]

that probably right, vanguard is so cringe in campaign

[regal wasp]

i dont even know what to say about that argument lol

[whole crypt]

she's slower than VG significantly, VG has the advantage of basically being consistently ahead for debuff

[blissful hamlet]

is she slower than soyuz or kearsarge?

[hard mesa]

Slower than soyuz

[whole crypt]

like around Musashi slow, she has no rld buffs, still faster than 7234

[blissful hamlet]

bruh that's so slow lol

[regal wasp]

as slow as musashi

[blissful hamlet]

welp she definetly not powercreep vanguard then

[regal wasp]

i mean the fact that her buff is not up 100% of the time make VG almost squal. not to mention her fury barrage can grief you

[whole crypt]

should be slightly faster than Musashi, but slower than the other UR BB team picks

Musashi is low reload + buff then cucked again by 410 being slower

[wintry obsidian]

Bearn META looks to be pretty good for a SSR carrier. Decent damage and very good self-sustainability

[shy hornet]

Alsace debuff sound funky, does that mean she may apply it on another enemy if it’s her 2nd+ salvo?

[regal wasp]

no her fury only happen when you have 12 stacks

eitherwise she will just target elite

[hard mesa]

If there is marked enemies then she get full stack fury, will the mark disappear or stay?

[whole crypt]

she marks on salvo, 10s, if 12 stacks mark becomes perm and marking will prioritize unmarked

[shy hornet]

So she can marks more than 1?

[whole crypt]

yes

[regal wasp]

only when enhanced

eitherwise it will just disappear since it tied to her salvo and she is low so it has downtime

[shy hornet]

Ok I would say it sounds pretty good but depend on whether she can 12+ her stack or not?

[whole crypt]

no it'll disappear because it literally says 10s timer

[regal wasp]

not to mention she cannot stack 12 herself alone unless with french vanguard it is like super long to get 12 stacks cuz it is her secondary only

[shy hornet]

Because I don’t think we have any meta French vanguard for BB comp to trigger?

I haven’t played for months so my brain is all mushy

[regal wasp]

you got two choices currently, mogador and brest but i doubt they would be use over plymouth and agir

[whole crypt]

if you want to stack it'll depend quite heavily on either Brest tanking or whether mogs fits in boss

[shy hornet]

Ic

[whole crypt]

I'd use brest over agir if alsace makes the team

if.

[regal wasp]

also can brest get 12 stacks reliably even before alsace second salvo

mog is no brainer

[whole crypt]

well as it is now alsace doesn't even look like she's making the team so that's not much to worry about

[shy hornet]

Would be hilarious if Vanny is still BB fleet’s granny after Alsace

[whole crypt]

that said her package looks okay for campaign bosses since there's time to build stack, not really for OS/META teams

[shy hornet]

How long has she been in BB team comp? 2 years?

[whole crypt]

VG release 2 years ago yeh

[regal wasp]

it is not that VG is replaced or not, they really made it perfect support only ship wit VG. she has reload for easier sync but it can backfire sometime with new BBs. she has spread reduction etc and she is only ship in the game that basically blanket perma buff every faction.

[whole crypt]

I'd probably put alsace in OS mob at this rate

[regal wasp]

i mean for OpSi if you have premium CV fleet, you dont need to use your bb fleet anyway so just remove bis zwei with alsace for buff

[whole crypt]

but her crossfleet doesn't do squat if you time below 20s

and only for first strike

[plain saffron]

Next meta fight will make her meta trust

[regal wasp]

isnt her crossfleet only 8% crit buff tho. am i reading it wrong heal part is not crossfleet and her crossfleet debuff look wonky af.

[hard mesa]

I think its still good on os boss because her 1 target debuff is less useful in mob

[icy mountain]

is the new torpedo good?

[regal wasp]

it is kinda useless for mob

[icy mountain]

since it has like 2 waves of torps

[scenic birch]

Is magador laffy 2 tier ?

[regal wasp]

yes

[south sequoia]

Unknown

[whole crypt]

not the french buff crossfleet, descend procs once at 20s from s1

[south sequoia]

We don't even have access to her yet

Wait for testing

[austere shard]

anyone has datamine already?

[south sequoia]

But one thing for sure, Mogador doesn't even come CLOSE to laffeys tankiness

[south sequoia]

pins

[regal wasp]

check pin

[crimson glacier]

what if w16 has only ramming enemies

[south sequoia]

[austere shard]

is the 138.6mm craftable now?

[scenic birch]

Wait she does crit ram damage ?

[whole crypt]

will work with CVs I guess if you're not doing very fast comps, won't work with hpfcr BB

[austere shard]

just checking what map I should farm

[regal wasp]

I mean her dps alone should put her there. yes her tankiness is not laffy tier but she is no exactly fragile either.

[whole crypt]

ramming isn't the usual weap dmg calc

[south sequoia]

the single 138? it's been craftable in opsi for over a year

[austere shard]

gotcha, no need for farm d2 then. thanks

[regal wasp]

not to mention she also has that cheeky 6% AVi torp buff

[south sequoia]

We have mogadors dps calculated already?

[regal wasp]

no but we can guess with her gun eff and skills. that is what make it fun. the only thing that would stop her is she not finding home in any of meta fleet so there is that

[crimson glacier]

2 mainguns with above average FP and effi

[whole crypt]

who we replacing with mogs though

[crimson glacier]

kawakaze 🙂

[whole crypt]

which team uses kawakaze

[crimson glacier]

Idk, I never use her

[strong tartan]

don't a few w14 comps use her or wtv

[regal wasp]

laffey does have a home in kearsarge fleet and PvP fleet but i dont know where we use mog unless you believe in alsace skill 2

[frank pulsar]

i assume if you were to use alsace in triple bb you would use her over helena
so smth like tank + mogador + ply, cant rly think of anywhere specific youd use her

[crimson glacier]

Isn't she way better than DDGs too

[south sequoia]

Unless I see actual calculations I'll doubt that

[crimson glacier]

Atleast gun wise

[south sequoia]

Would she even come close to hindenburg/drake/unzen in terms of dps?

[whole crypt]

kearsarge fleet mostly leverages rockets, mogs' avi torp buff doesn't help that

[regal wasp]

@frank pulsar jokes on you, helena is main tank in my CV fleet. so cant even replace

[frank pulsar]

[regal wasp]

you not gonna replace laffy with mog in kearsarge fleet. that for sure

the only place is BB and I dont see a slot

[south sequoia]

I'm more confused why you would... slot in laffey in kearsarges fleet

[whole crypt]

shinano is happy with kazagumo, unless you want to replace sirius

[inner delta]

i mean you can use it as a AA for keeping conceal

[regal wasp]

why not, that is only place you can actually use laffy in PVE fights

[south sequoia]

I mean you could argue AA, but then you also have guam who came from the same event who not only has the better aa output, but also serves as a tank.

[regal wasp]

who would laffy 2 even replace in PVE then

[frank pulsar]

i mean, not much options when sirius is in other cv fleet and you dont need an ara

[south sequoia]

Mobs:

[paper timber]

I might have misread it but to obtain frame, I have mlb all ship not only obtain them?

[whole crypt]

not only, but one of the few places she serves some purpose

[frank pulsar]

though that might change since mogador may potentially replace sirius in ijn cv

[south sequoia]

Ah right I keep forgetting, people do 2 cv fleets for whatever reason

[regal wasp]

mobs

[whole crypt]

mlb is only for non-UR

[paper timber]

Hmm, Mog and Alsace aren’t meta, just for collection?

[whole crypt]

can't remember if META needs to

[south sequoia]

Huh

[strong tartan]

why would they just be for collection

[south sequoia]

they're very much meta

they're still URs

[paper timber]

How so?

[regal wasp]

well Mob fleet - BB fleet - CV fleet - Barrage Fleet in OpSi. unless you dont like using BB fleet, i dont see where you guys can do 2 CV fleet

[whole crypt]

they're still strong ships we finding where they fit now?

[paper timber]

I mean, in terms of of comparison with other UR

[south sequoia]

They're outstanding compared to the rest of the ships in the game, the one thing they don't hold much candle too is their peers in the UR department

[patent pivot]

how long is harby fight 80s?

[frank pulsar]

needs testing to see their place in meta imho, theyre prob gonna be around same level as current stuff or slightly better

[whole crypt]

what is your definition of meta, they're still plenty for their hull class

[paper timber]

So to end game player, for collection?

[strong tartan]

does EN get double ring pack

[regal wasp]

I mean BBs fleet you can actually use alsace with whatever. you can replace soyuz or VG with her. if you dont need BB fleet in OpSi. just replace Bis Zwei even

[south sequoia]

A lot of the ur ships in the game you can argue is collection since realistically 99.5% of the game content you can throw in any good ur and it gets the job done

[regal wasp]

Top end BBs are well balanced

[paper timber]

My BB fleet are Sushi/Bis2/Soyuz

[regal wasp]

unlike CVs which we really need some spice

[whole crypt]

if you're asking whether they'll seriously replace any current URs the answer is probably no, but that has been the case for about a year now

[south sequoia]

I mean not really?

[regal wasp]

they keep printing BBs for some reason

[whole crypt]

where VG

[frank pulsar]

alsace would prob replace sushi in your case provided you have brest or are going to use mogador

[regal wasp]

@south sequoia ok Implacable - Kearsarge/Hirky - Shinano/york2. where are other choices

[south sequoia]

CV fleets are fine as is, the only thing that could shift tides is if we get another ur uss cv that yorktown would like

[regal wasp]

well we do have soyuz - chakalov - implacable but even that is like

[south sequoia]

Those are the only choices, and it's fine they are the only choices
We don't need to constantly swap things out

[regal wasp]

i am just comparing it to healthy choices that BB has.

[south sequoia]

It's not really "healthy" per se when hakuryuu is permanent, you can guarantee shinano eventually and the fact you can pick up august von parseval

[sullen creek]

That's great, I take it you've done a lot of testing to come to such a logical conclusion

[south sequoia]

and the fact that ur bbs are in a constant competition of replacing each other while cvs are stagnant

[sullen creek]

[silk glen]

Alsace barrages

[strong tartan]

zooweemama

[regal wasp]

what constant competiton, we dont need to do more dmg. we just need to kill the boss, the fact that you can do with more than 10 ships is plus for me

[whole crypt]

I haven't actually looked into mogs but it doesn't look good for alsace for ur bb fleet, looks good for mobbing and campaign boss

[south sequoia]

???

[strong tartan]

Is the second barrage an on fire barrage I don't remember

[sullen creek]

You said the new UR ships don't hold a candle to current URs

[strong tartan]

Or is it the first one?

[south sequoia]

That's coming from a perspective in terms of what we see for now, obviously things might change when we finally get proper tests of them

[sullen creek]

[whole crypt]

ur bb for os is basically set and alsace's skill set doesn't really fit

[silk glen]

Crossfleet

[balmy skiff]

which 3 bb should i use now?
i currently have all mlb'ed (soyuz,vanny,nj and sushi) as of now soon,alsace

[south sequoia]

I might be wrong, I might be right
alsace and mogador are just not anything special from what we see for now
In the end, they're still ur ships and they'd get the job right
and it'd be nice if you stop being constantly passive aggressive towards me.

[whole crypt]

I'll check mogs later

[regal wasp]

well simeple since u dont have bis zwei. it is Vanguard - Soyuz - Alsace

[hard mesa]

marseillaise for cope alsace rld

[regal wasp]

you have mog and brest

it is just they are not good enough to replace plymouth and agir

[whole crypt]

I'm running out of slots for crossfleet

[paper timber]

I haven’t got her yet

[south sequoia]

If that is your perspective, then they are both healthy
you have a lot of options to choose from bbs
and you have less options to choose with cvs which means you don't need to do much testing with more ships outside of the 5 - 6 ships cvs have

[whole crypt]

brest replacing agir is fine, but brest isn't enough for stacks early fight

[regal wasp]

isnt that to be seen or CN already tested it?

[winter condor]

i want to try alsace + nj + brennus and then agir + mogador + krons (i have only these) to see how they buff / debuff stuff works

[whole crypt]

it's not hard math for how many shots you can get out of Brest

[south sequoia]

No proper tests until a week in

everything for now is just paper

[regal wasp]

brest giving alsace 12 stacks or not can be easily tested but not dps i agree

[whole crypt]

are we comparing dps for agir and brest now?

[winter condor]

if that works in some way or another then i can start making a second fleet who isn't the full atelier one

[whole crypt]

agir's slow is cope and AB is ehhh

[regal wasp]

no we talking about brest giving alsace 12 stacks before salvo or not. she shouldnt be able to but we dont know

[south sequoia]

Isn't agirs personal dps lower than brests

pretty sure hers is the lowest of the ur cbs

[winter condor]

agir is more tanky no?

[whole crypt]

it'll depend on fight, whether alsace gets to shoot secondary

[winter condor]

i mean brest is more if u want to min max dmg but meh

[whole crypt]

more tanky means nothing if your tank doesn't die regardless

[regal wasp]

well if we dont need vangaurd tankiness, Plymouth + mog can be good contender as well

[whole crypt]

fair

[regal wasp]

like we are main tanking unzen in rodney meta

[frank pulsar]

just drop helena for mog to proc alsace imho

[silver lintel]

Noone accounts for alsace preload?

[whole crypt]

mogs shield thing is weird anyway

[winter condor]

and that vs the iron vanguard? i heard who agir + emden + Hinden is a thing

[patent pivot]

mog dmg varies a lot based on how many times her extra gun fire skills proc, she can get like 50% more mg fires with 100% uptime

[inland shoal]

Did Brest have torps?

[regal wasp]

unless you are hardcore fanction fan, mono faction comp are not really a thing

[frank pulsar]

ply contributes a lot, shes not getting replaced

[primal obsidian]

are mk7 crafting materials known yet?

[inner delta]

no she has aux gun

[strong tartan]

dd aux

[inland shoal]

The aux gun might contribute too

[south sequoia]

just give her 100kai and that should be fast enough for alsace stacks

[whole crypt]

skill specifies vg main gun

[inland shoal]

Yeah I read the code

[south sequoia]

ah

[frank pulsar]

dont think so, iirc we only find out on the maint that its getting released

[south sequoia]

Oh, aux counts?

[winter condor]

i'm gonna say something weird then what about hinden "tank" or mogador (i saw who moga needs also evasion) + ply?

[inland shoal]

A dd aux gun is a dd main gun just in an aux slot
Code just checks if the gun has the "MG" tag which afaik pretty much all the guns gave

[regal wasp]

mog in off tank should survive the entire encounter unless it is made to kill vanguard. she is decently tanky

[frank pulsar]

hinden tank is going to be situational, shes like 30-50% less tanky than cb iirc

[whole crypt]

if that works then brest is more than enough

[winter condor]

then moga tank + these two that would be a pretty hight dmg team i think

[whole crypt]

but even if she works who are we replacing

[regal wasp]

we putting so much effort in alsace 12 stacks just for her to mark rodney clone

[whole crypt]

I'm not optimistic against rodney m

[frank pulsar]

doesnt her mark have prio targetting? idr if modney clones have prio or not

[whole crypt]

bb is shit because targeting

[regal wasp]

from what i read from people here, her enhance barrage is random target

[inland shoal]

Her non perma mark has prio her perma not

[cobalt rapids]

her clones are lower prio

[whole crypt]

barrage pattern looks like it'll kill clones
anyway

[regal wasp]

that barrage doesnt do that much dmg i am pretty sure. from looks of video

so i doubt thatbarrage will kill clone lol

[whole crypt]

clones are 1 dmg / hit

[cobalt rapids]

nothing rly kills clone they take 1 dmg

[whole crypt]

it's bullet count

[crimson glacier]

can you really judge the barrage from that video

[cobalt rapids]

also how do u tell dmg from vids

[atomic abyss]

What will kill them are high hit count barrages

Which are usually frontline ones lol

[crimson glacier]

what level is the barrage, what level is the bb

[frank pulsar]

youre forgetting thats likely a lv1 barrage

[regal wasp]

fair enough. we do have barrage numbers

[whole crypt]

clones are taking 1dmg per bullet regardless, it's the hit count I'm after

[regal wasp]

Dmg: 1x1x380, Bomb(150/115/130), Coeff: 1, Scale: 1 FP, Speed: 0, bullet range: 200, Splash: 34, prio aim, instant hit, causes unique burn 150028 (119dmg every 3s for 30s)
Dmg: 2x1x2x50, AP(150/115/130), Coeff: 1, Scale: 1 FP, Speed: 80, bullet range: 500, weaving left right (accels), prio aim, ignore shields, cause same burn
Dmg: 8x1x1x115, Bomb(AP)(150/115/130), Coeff: 1, Scale: 1 FP, Speed: 180, bullet range: 200, Splash: 20, Spread: 8, bombs drop from high up, prio aim

[hard mesa]

Burn doesnt scale with stat right?

[whole crypt]

I swapped out q152 from helena and hindenburg gun from CA because they occcsionally pierced and hit the clones enough to drop 1-2 clones near end of fight

[crimson glacier]

fp

[inland shoal]

This one doesn't

[sinful elk]

Yo chat have we datamined alsace build time

[inland shoal]

Also I forgot the Brennus half hp barrage

[inland shoal]

We never have cuz that's not possible

[cobalt rapids]

yes its 0 like all ships that get q.finished

[plain saffron]

We only have it once CN is up

[inland shoal]

Unless you hack your way into AL servside ig

[sinful elk]

[plain saffron]

Work at yongshi

[whole crypt]

jp extended around 1hr, cn not up?

[south sequoia]

cn is up

rime has been posting

[whole crypt]

k

[regal wasp]

Al tier list is good unless u looking for specific. just copy them

[atomic abyss]

Purple Twin 410, twin 128, STAAG Bofors, White and Black shells

[regal wasp]

@twin isle https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/bb

Purple Twin 410 on Hood ?

well i guess if you dont have others like prototype 406

[whole crypt]

that's just a more expensive twin 410 anyway

[regal wasp]

I mean is it really expensive tho, it drop like candies in pr2 but fair

[whole crypt]

we don't pr2 anymore, I have plenty myself but a newer player won't

[atomic abyss]

But who's gonna research PR2

[regal wasp]

new players for FDG

[tame jungle]

Meeeeee

[whole crypt]

fdg coin

[regal wasp]

u should get like 3-4 just from FDG research

[atomic abyss]

Why the fuck would you research PR2 for FDG when you can just coin her

PR4 is a far higher priority

[silver lintel]

So mog doesnt replace anyone right?

[regal wasp]

right now no

[silver lintel]

Dps dd is kinda cope

[inland shoal]

No, Mogami is quite dated anyway

[atomic abyss]

Mogador you fool

Not mogami kai

[south sequoia]

I think they meant mogador...

[wind hazel]

sarcasm, not once

[regal wasp]

how you guys miss the joke

[steady beacon]

Alsace's damage debuff marker is humanoid priority correct?

[frank pulsar]

i think hes joking

[atomic abyss]

Not in my gph

[inland shoal]

.

[steady beacon]

Sorry, didn't want to trawl all the way up
Arigatou

[atomic abyss]

I mean it would have worked if mogami was actually a DD

No, she's a CL or a CA

[elfin hollow]

Any tips for 9-4 boss? so annoying as heck

[worldly pewter]

did they extend the maint in jp ?

[steady beacon]

They did

[regal wasp]

are we really calling her mog. there gotta be better name for her

[whole crypt]

1hr

[atomic abyss]

Moggers

[whole crypt]

moggy

[inland shoal]

dor

[winter condor]

masoquist or dog

[atomic abyss]

BBs, slow debuffers

[winter condor]

i like that combo from doggy and moga

[inner delta]

[worldly pewter]

brute force
show fleet and the equipped gear from ur inventory
there is a button that let u show the equipped gear in the deposit on the left

[winter condor]

read her intro is just kinda wtf

[inland shoal]

I mean we would've said the same thing about CL dps before Ply came along

[inner delta]

still make it more appropriate

server has rules

[elfin hollow]

I don't have any of that gear

[regal wasp]

isnt shimakaze count as dps DD and she was meta

[whole crypt]

mogsies, moguette

[patent pivot]

Mog gun dmg is anywhere from roughly matching ply to ~double depending on her gun skills and armor

[worldly pewter]

are u going in with naked ships ?

[winter condor]

i know but if the devs release that stuff... i even thinked who that translation was wrong so imagine

[regal wasp]

it was CLs that are getting meme on for dps untill plymouth come along, never a dd

[atomic abyss]

^

[night pumice]

where can I find the datamine

[regal wasp]

pin

[atomic abyss]

DDs always had the advantage cos of faster barrages and better main guns

Significantly better even before the buff

[south sequoia]

and torps

[regal wasp]

tbf entire CL before plymouth was getting carried by helena and more or less Sirius

[atomic abyss]

Sandy

[night pumice]

so how good are the new urs?

[regal wasp]

they are good but not a must have

[south sequoia]

great, how great? stay tuned

[wary hawk]

tldr theyre nice pve ships

[regal wasp]

get it if you can, dont be sad if you miss it

[obtuse knoll]

moguette

[night pumice]

oh

[inland shoal]

I got it we call her amogus cuz she's so sussy

[inner delta]

[south sequoia]

what

[worldly pewter]

what can replace the UR DD ?

[regal wasp]

UR dd replace no one

[late flame]

UR equip not important

[worldly pewter]

i meant the opposite

[regal wasp]

also she is free you can just play and get her

[worldly pewter]

if u miss the UR DD what can replace her ?

[late flame]

also me : fark no UR guns for challenge / EX / harbiter

[night pumice]

so there's no particular reason for me to burn all my cubes then for pulling ur this time? if there's better options out there

[worldly pewter]

no, burn them

[inland shoal]

The UR DD isn't even gacha tho

[regal wasp]

oh shimakaze unzen hiden laffy 2 and so on

but she is free my guy how can u even miss her

[whole crypt]

does mogs have cross?

[regal wasp]

no cross amogus

[steady beacon]

@inland shoal , quick check (please don't shoot me)
Alsace S2 enhancement activates after 12 stacks of "Wrath of Judgment"
Does the permanence of debuff apply to any of the debuffs already in effect? And can it renew and then make permanent a debuff that has expired already?

[night pumice]

could just refuse to play the event

[late flame]

i managed to miss Foch retun dun ask

[inland shoal]

No looks like only gacha URs get crossfleet for some reason

[regal wasp]

@night pumice fair

[inland shoal]

No
Yes

[night pumice]

anyway, if ur dd is just okay what about alsace

[regal wasp]

she is even more replacable

[worldly pewter]

what BB do u have ?

[whole crypt]

so perm only applies to descend procced after 12stack?

[night pumice]

hood, pennsylvania, nevada, bismarck? I might have a few more idk at any rate it's a sad list

[worldly pewter]

no need to ask more get her

[regal wasp]

bis 2 or just bismark

[night pumice]

normal bismarck I missed bis 2 event

[worldly pewter]

bis or bz2 is the same conclusion he get her

[regal wasp]

well get alsace then u got no choice, tbh you are better of grinding for CVs fleet at this point

[night pumice]

oh and I have all the stuff to build fdg I'm just waiting on tech at this point

[regal wasp]

yeah get alsace for novelty

[whole crypt]

sounds like every UR will be a boon for you provided you can LB

[worldly pewter]

should be able to if he did well to get 3k cores last month

[night pumice]

only have 3 ur bulins atm so I still need another for mlb

[regal wasp]

you will get 1 from event

[worldly pewter]

yeah also there is a high chance for vanguard rerun in a month too so make sure to cap the cores from both farming and the medal shop
also don't forget the pass

[night pumice]

pass as in the $10 usd one for the cruise thing?

[worldly pewter]

no just get to lvl 100

[late flame]

instructions unclear, bought everything scamcat has to offer

[regal wasp]

VG - FDG - Alsace will cover 90% of game for you then you can grind for Haku, get Shinano from 400 exchange then get yourself AvP and wait for implacable for end gamebossing

[worldly pewter]

who is hirky ?

[regal wasp]

i butchered her name.Hakuryuu from PR4

[worldly pewter]

oh

[night pumice]

is vg vanguard

[regal wasp]

well

[night pumice]

wasn't vanguard an event build ship?

[worldly pewter]

the fact that shinano is still meta is kinda fascinating

[cobalt rapids]

she is

[night pumice]

yeah no don't have her, is there another replacement

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur dock

[regal wasp]

yes we have DoY for free

[worldly pewter]

u use hood and nelson with the new UR and then replace one by one

when u get fdg to dev30 u replace nelson

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content

[inland shoal]

What?

[regal wasp]

also FDG shuld be at dev 30, nelson retro is stacked

[night pumice]

how does the new meta ship compare to existing options

[regal wasp]

they are equal

[whole crypt]

not if he means Bearn META

[kindred flicker]

for how much are the servers gonna be down?

[regal wasp]

roughly 4 hours

[night pumice]

yeah bearn

[regal wasp]

bearn meta can air strike second wave, she is amazing mob cv if you need it. eitherwise she is just yet another CV

[whole crypt]

a s1 mark that hasn't expired won't extend to perm if you get 12 stacks on s2 during the duration?

[inland shoal]

Yeah

[hard mesa]

That means no need to worry to get full stacks in that 10s duration?

[regal wasp]

it should have been amazing but we dont get to enjoy comfort.

[whole crypt]

it's 10s duration proc on salvo, you'll want to get enough stacks before alsace's reload salvo

[regal wasp]

well u got around 20 sec for your vaguard to get 12 stacks which should be easy.

unless your brest for some reason didnt hit 12 times

[hard mesa]

1 stack for 1 hit right?

[regal wasp]

1 stack for every 1 main gun hit

Every 12s, trigger a slash attack against a random enemy (prioritizing elites, applies a 1.5s freeze to the enemy) then lurges forward and stabs that enemy (this ships takes 80% less ramming damage during this attack, Mogador stays in this position for 1s. Why in the world amogus need to stay there for 1 sec. Imagine she just died from boss attacks lol that would be funny

[whole crypt]

1 for every main gun hit but thorin says secondary gun on CBs should count as well because the code looks like it's checking guns not slots or something

20s for 12 hits between main gun and secondary on CB plus possibly alsace's own secondary shouldn't be too hard

[atomic abyss]

[whole crypt]

my problem with Alsace is still RLD though

[hard mesa]

Yeah

[inland shoal]

It is checking slots
It's explicitely checking slot1, slot2 and slot3

[regal wasp]

you willl enjoy 170 reload and you will like it. only VG can get 20% reload

[whole crypt]

so it's checking all slots that can fit a gun, but not whether the gun is slotted as a "main gun"

[inland shoal]

Yeah
I think they just mean guns tbh just like not torps

[forest palm]

what's the general opinion on Al, and Mog for paper analysis

[whole crypt]

VG is 178 + 20%
BZ is 170 + 15%
NJ is 172 + 10%
Soyuz is 166 + 10%
Musashi is 156 + 10%
Kearsarge is 155
Alsace is 177

[regal wasp]

@forest palm they are good but they are also replacable

[steady beacon]

The great fox ages well

[whole crypt]

of that list you don't use really Kearsarge with BB fleet, and Musashi is the only one that's really slower and double whammed by slower gun

[forest palm]

replacing Shinano isn't that high a bar, which is fucking funny

[sullen creek]

Haven't been many UR CVs releases compared to BBs

[whole crypt]

the main thing is just lack of new options for CVs

[regal wasp]

Main thing is shinano is not only she is one of best dps CV, her supports are also insane but main thing come down to well lack of options

we simply only have implacable - kearsarge/Haku/Chakalov - shinano/york2/soyuz

[blissful hamlet]

Not that surprising considering they haven't released good UR CV since shinano

[regal wasp]

drop of between implacable and AvP/Ark Royal is like ok but stll

[forest palm]

"Chkalov", and "Soyuz"...

[sullen creek]

So you forgot York2 and Implacable

[elfin hollow]

from the skillset is alsace mob or boss focused

[regal wasp]

@blissful hamlet no good CV release shinano? my guy i need whatever you smoking

[inland shoal]

Implacable and York2 aren't good

[sullen creek]

:serenity:

[whole crypt]

:serenity:

[wary hawk]

:serenity:

[steady beacon]

:serenity:

[blissful hamlet]

:serenity:

[regal wasp]

also who comes first, shinano or haku. i am pretty sure shinano come first

[steady beacon]

Shina did indeed come first

[whole crypt]

you mean added? yes Shinano was added first

[regal wasp]

yes so add it to the list

[blissful hamlet]

Ah right forgot about haku lol

[midnight mortar]

Shinana my beloved

[blissful hamlet]

Haku is pretty op with shinano

No other CV comp can compete with the IJN duo

[sullen creek]

Haku is pretty op period

[steady beacon]

Have you ever... tried another CV comp?

[regal wasp]

pretty brave take

[wary hawk]

Serenity so brave

[sullen creek]

Why are you like this

[whole crypt]

well it's serenity, I don't think we need to continue this discussion

[patent pivot]

3 and 25 salvo respectively ALL SOLO (gear is champgun, plygun, staag, gamer table, white shell)

going to run simulated fleets next

[blissful hamlet]

Is this paper number?

[sullen creek]

What else does it look like

[blissful hamlet]

Alsace op

[sullen creek]

Who would've thought

[blissful hamlet]

Huh the damage drops hard on medium lol

[sullen creek]

The 2nd is 25 salvo

[blissful hamlet]

25 salvo?

[whole crypt]

@worldly pewter up

[sullen creek]

Probably for CM mode

[patent pivot]

it was meant to show that she is so far ahead in 3 salvo because she gets +1 salvo from preload, that falls off as the number of salvos grows

[sullen creek]

Ye makes sense

[inland shoal]

What is dmg per salvo supposed to be

[steady beacon]

Doesn't matter for comparison purposes but
Is the equipment assumption all +13?

[patent pivot]

yeah all assumed +13

[atomic abyss]

A tale as old as time...

All the preloads have this issue honestly

[patent pivot]

she pulls ahead up till 5th salvo, then she falls behind soy and BIZ

[atomic abyss]

5 salvos is... ~100s?

[patent pivot]

this is with HPFCR so like 96s

[atomic abyss]

So more than enough for metas at least

Though she seems to be more light armoured leaning...?

[elfin hollow]

what do you guys think about mogador

[atomic abyss]

Stonks but probably not Laff II stonks

[warm flax]

Mogador is comparable to who

[steady beacon]

Have we seen any ingame footage yet about whether uh
The "Wrath of Judgment" counts are shown in-battle a la No Mercy
Or do we have to count to twelve ourselves?

[sullen creek]

Find out in a few weeks

[whole crypt]

could new UI be why chat is b0rk

[atomic abyss]

I feel like Mogador shd be compared with Poi Kai primarily

[hard mesa]

Does musashi can get 4th salvo on 80s meta battle?

[steady beacon]

She can

[hard mesa]

Without ammo chain?

[atomic abyss]

I mean, moggers' barrage is pretty good right?

[steady beacon]

Yikes
What the heck happened to the chat

[tame jungle]

reminds me of big oil

[steady beacon]

Uhhhhh... I'm pretty sure she needs Autoloader

[atomic abyss]

I feel like it's not good to compare her with Laff II

Because Laff II doesn't really do the same things

[inland shoal]

Good thing no one uses ingame chat anyway

[jaunty vault]

im no one

[sullen creek]

Now you're getting it

[steady beacon]

It's fun to look at to feel depressed about people getting better build luck than you

[atomic abyss]

Hence I suggest Poi Kai
Since she has a bit of gunnery but a barrage as well

[whole crypt]

I'm happy with fullscreen oath Nagato so whatever

[atomic abyss]

It's either her or you compare with the An Shans but...

[icy mountain]

whos poi kai?

[steady beacon]

More space for secretary is indeed a win

[sullen creek]

Poi is quite dated so I wouldn't be too sure

[atomic abyss]

Yuudachi retro

I mean don't the An Shans eclipse every DD in terms of damage?

Save the URs

[elfin hollow]

even kitakaze and kawakaze?

[hard mesa]

I think its same as shima or poi. She just lack good AA for w15

[jaunty vault]

yes

[sullen creek]

For now

[atomic abyss]

That would be my preliminary stance too

She does have asw skill so I guess that gives her an edge in w14 but...

You can't really slap her anywhere like Laff II, I think

[weary fog]

I shld just stop at 1 UR copy right

[hard mesa]

AA and tank position

[steady beacon]

First is Musashi (Oath 200, max BB RLD) no Autoloader
Second is Autoloader +11
Both assuming Radar ofc, carrying Izumo gun

[atomic abyss]

Well yeah if you're low on cubes

[whole crypt]

probably

[atomic abyss]

Unless you have like a shit ton

[regal wasp]

isnt she fine at off tank position with her second skill, i dont think she need middle

[atomic abyss]

I highly doubt Moggers needs to be sandwiched

[steady beacon]

I don't usually run Musashi... at all for META (literally this one is the first one I used her for)
But I'm pretty sure 77.76 isn't gonna make it, esp after you factor in jamming

[atomic abyss]

But she is on the average for DD HP...

On a side note

Did Alsace just replace Richy for French fleets

[regal wasp]

for what? mob

[steady beacon]

Why not... run them together?

[atomic abyss]

Oh so she can be run off flag

[tame jungle]

From what i’ve seen the barrages are aimed

[steady beacon]

Uhhhhhhhhhh
I'm pretty sure her barrage is aimed, yes?

[atomic abyss]

You know what I'm gonna do pilica

[tame jungle]

French faction fleet 🫃

[atomic abyss]

Well my 4th opsi fleet is like 85% french...

[inland shoal]

Just read thr datamine smh

[worldly pewter]

[steady beacon]

Oh the datamine sheet has already put in barrages 👀

[atomic abyss]

So I'll just chuck out JB and use her instead
And get the bonus of cross fleet

[whole crypt]

wait, mailbox isn't this update?

[regal wasp]

i mean the only thing that is stopping you is assuming it is unicorn,alsace,riche. everyone just blow their load and you are watching your vanguard doing shit untill 20 sec

[atomic abyss]

[inland shoal]

Btw Brennus 50% hp has 3k dmg worth of slashes and a torp or sth with 500 dmg
I forgot to put that in the mine

[atomic abyss]

Personally
I'm actually more interested in Brennus

[elfin hollow]

is alsace better than vanguard if you run a french vanguard?

[hard mesa]

Dont forget flandre

[atomic abyss]

I mean
The thing is
What french vanguard

[regal wasp]

only one choice brest

[atomic abyss]

Like the only notable Frenchies in the front up till Moggers are Brest and Jeanne

[regal wasp]

u got none eitherwise

[steady beacon]

The Brest choice

[whole crypt]

I was hoping to claim some coins without claiming oil

[atomic abyss]

And I'm pretty sure Brest does NOT need Jeanne

Unless you count Brenner's sister

[hard mesa]

Marseliese for 8%RLD

[regal wasp]

you just have to ask yourself is brest better than agir cuz i cant see a world where you use alsace without perma buff

[atomic abyss]

Yeah I suppose Marseillaise is a fair shout

[tame jungle]

Mogchamp probably worth if you don’t got any URs right? Just based on paper shit

Because i have like 4 years of catching up to do 🥸

[atomic abyss]

Mogchamp I feel only really loses to Laff II

[regal wasp]

aMOGus to replace helena

[tame jungle]

Yea don’t have l2 lol…

[atomic abyss]

But she's probably better than Laff II on the damage front?

[regal wasp]

guys since when we use laffy 2 in BB fleet or am i missing something

[tame jungle]

Skill issue on my part, i’ll probably want all UR at some point anyway

[atomic abyss]

I mean there's not really many options for BB fleets in opsi...

Plymouth?
Helena/Aurora?
Tf is the last?
Agir?

[regal wasp]

yes

[steady beacon]

Pre much

[atomic abyss]

Yeah so Laff II can replace Agir I guess

[steady beacon]

That is indeed what I am still using when not testing

[regal wasp]

only possible slot is brest replacing agir

or just give helena to CV fleet and use mog

[sullen creek]

Laffey II is much better in CV fleet

[atomic abyss]

Wasn't Guam better there too or is my memory failing

[regal wasp]

Guam is for lightarmor fleet

[gloomy mesa]

Are you guys done with the mining?

[dawn hamlet]

What are the recommendation to buy with data pack/proto core currency?

[atomic abyss]

The mines are in the pins

[hard mesa]

Guam can use dmg control

[steady beacon]

Yep, the datamine is in the pins

[atomic abyss]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[sullen creek]

Guam is bulkier but Laffey II is strong enough to main tank for the most part and also has AA debuff

[dawn hamlet]

[regal wasp]

for me, i just gonna replace bis 2 in my OpSi fleet since they are not main carry and i dont need her crossfleet skills

[atomic abyss]

Boomer question
How does Alsace compare to FdG in terms of damage

Or is it better to compare Fdg with Vanny

[regal wasp]

alsace still should be better because of nature of preload

in term of dmg

[sullen creek]

The numbers are right there

FdG is comparable to NJ if anything

[atomic abyss]

Preload baby yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[patent pivot]

fleet comps

1. big dick dmg
soy biz alsace
272398 + 296853 + 249522 = 818733
2. go go support
vanguard biz alsace
168831 + 321593 + 289624 = 780048
3. fuck off french
soy biz vanguard
168831 + 311697 + 286342 = 766870

[gloomy mesa]

#gameplay-help message

I have non of them and my fleet looks like this, any suggestions?

[rich parcel]

Does anyone know the end date of the event? Is it 2 or 3 weeks from today

[patent pivot]

all with 4 salvo things change if you move that number around

[atomic abyss]

3 weeks

[rich parcel]

I'm guessing 3 weeks on a Thurs right

[atomic abyss]

Yeeeeep

[gloomy mesa]

The image is a few days old but the only thing that changed are the lvls

[atomic abyss]

Did you get hood
I forgot

[regal wasp]

@patent pivot so the longer the fight, the more drop off alsace?

[atomic abyss]

So it seems

[patent pivot]

yes

[atomic abyss]

It's a general trend with all the preloads really

[patent pivot]

fuck off french will probably become better ~8 salvos?

[gloomy mesa]

That's the new UR?

[patent pivot]

maybe 10-12

[atomic abyss]

Alsace and Mogador are the new URs

[regal wasp]

well honestly i am pretty impressed how AL can actually make is balanced for BBs. that has to be said because many gacha failed to do so

[gloomy mesa]

Mogador is the one I can buy with vouchers, right?

[regal wasp]

like damn 20000 dps difference is amazing balance

[rich parcel]

Also I don't supposed the event missions have been datamined right (particularly if there will be UR point missions like last Christmas)

[patent pivot]

DO NOT use my tool to compare points of dmg, only relative amounts

[gloomy mesa]

BTW you guys are crazy for breaking down all that data for us mortals

[steady beacon]

Can I just check
Are these still assuming individual performances?
Or are you now factoring in the interplay of all their various debuff effects?

[regal wasp]

dont worry just a reference. paper dps should never be used

[gloomy mesa]

Alsace is only available in the Event banner?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[patent pivot]

i did not factor in a variety of things that would all hit them equally but it would change the point values. Yes this one was a team test

order of firing was assumed to be vang < alsace < soy < biz

[regal wasp]

did you assume alsace buff is perma since her second salvo?

[patent pivot]

no

doesnt matter since she would only be buffing vanguard after that

[steady beacon]

Dare I ask how you arranged that with all carrying same gun
Jokes aside, can't blame you for not, it's driving me nuts right now
Thanks

[regal wasp]

huh ok

[gloomy mesa]

After using the invitation, for whichever ship it will be in the end (still no clue), do I go all in on them or do I try my luck with the banner first and hope for better pulls?

[atomic abyss]

I'd go all in on the banner first

[patent pivot]

oh yeah, it was just one of a handful of assumptions made. most notably is the 100% hitrate on everything

[gloomy mesa]

Each pull cost 2 cubes, correct?

[atomic abyss]

2 cubes and 1500 coins

[undone plover]

how does vanguard damage remain exactly the same in comp 2 and 3?
shouldnt soyuz debuff or alsace debuff change things a bit?

[gloomy mesa]

Okay, as of now I have 50 pulls, no pity for me this time.

[steady beacon]

Damn, that is one HECK of a cool tool
I'm stuck on Excel spreadsheets

[patent pivot]

now another thing that makes all of this meaningless is vg dmg, gotta redo all of this but accounting for ply/hinde dmg

[gloomy mesa]

Can we start a petition for them to add this type of static to the game? The current ones don't do it for me

[inner delta]

[regal wasp]

VG buffing vanguard dmg is bane of all calculaters

[patent pivot]

damn, other calculators have a severe skill issue then

[atomic abyss]

There's a fundamental issue with all forms of dps calculators for this game

And that is the accuracy of any projectile

[inner delta]

first, is most people won't care about this shit

[regal wasp]

I wish we can just tell the people VG,alsace,soyuz,Bis Zwei are equal and just pick what you want. but it not gonna be the case

[steady beacon]

That's what testing is for

[inner delta]

why would dev add a "feature" that 90% of player won't care and it's just a literal numbers

[patent pivot]

you can account for this with a phys hitrate var which is what i do but issue is finding this average value

anyways im out until i have vg dmg done

[atomic abyss]

Oh trust me I'm well aware

[regal wasp]

good luck i will be waiting yahoo

[atomic abyss]

The question is as you said, what is this average value

On a side note
I feel that one thing we should assess for Alsace is her mobbing capabilities

Unfortunately, because of uni kai maybe it isn't relevant anymore...

[regal wasp]

again it is pretty much wasted unless u dont run uni/perseus

[atomic abyss]

And sushi is tough competition

[regal wasp]

overkill dmg is common theme and it is better to run like spread dmg which is why i am advocating for bearn meta for that -50%

trust the process

[atomic abyss]

I have seen the train of thought that you're not gonna overkill stuff in w15 with preload
But I'm personally unsure
Not exactly in w15 after all

[hard mesa]

I still think shes more for boss

[regal wasp]

uni with UR planes does kill but it got 1 or 2 left overs so overkill still happened esp if you have good gears

also it is better to just put cardinal in mob fleet and let alsace buff

[undone plover]

does mgm3 BB preload + CV preload actually get wasted together? shouldnt the second and 3rd volleys mostly hit new targets?

[atomic abyss]

Yeah
Campaign bosses or metas

Actually
Fair point

[late flame]

b-but i like overkill

[regal wasp]

Assuming 8% crit rate does buff barrages due to code fuckery

[atomic abyss]

The preload salvo is gonna hit before uni's first strike even hits anything

Thanks to le slow down

[south sequoia]

from experience, theres a good delay in between mobs spawning in w15

[atomic abyss]

Well I love my preloads so
Let's goooooooooooo

[south sequoia]

you gotta watch out though

amogus is pretty squishy

[silk sphinx]

As a pvp and opsi player, I would be hard pressed to care less about mob performance

[atomic abyss]

Save the Brest for last

[regal wasp]

for world 15 sure but I am pretty sure she can survive at off tank position for rest of game

[south sequoia]

ye

[late flame]

because she's the B||r||est?

[atomic abyss]

Well Alsace looks like she might work really well for meta bosses so

[south sequoia]

any magic numbers for amogus and mog?

[regal wasp]

next meta may be, rodney meta surely not

[steady beacon]

Currently praying she'll help get my Unzen to that magical 575k

[regal wasp]

here is what one good man did. this calculation howver assume 100% hit rate and not accounting VG buff vanguard dmg

if you looking for numbers

[south sequoia]

pretty impressive magic

[gloomy mesa]

I care 😁

[south sequoia]

cant wait to see what it looks like when it arrives on battle

[atomic abyss]

I mean here's the issue lad

Unless you're intimately familiar with the kinda numbers the game gets

[inner delta]

im sorry but the dev doesn't make the game revolving around minority

[atomic abyss]

The numbers at your fingertips can do more harm than good

[inner delta]

more like get ignored

[plain saffron]

is that excel or a .NET/VB app

[regal wasp]

also isnt tech point make it so that new players URs will be weaker than old players URs anyway. so maximum number game is already sketch just from slavo missing or not.

[inner delta]

most people don't do tech.

[south sequoia]

tech is for super late game stuff

[keen sable]

Most people don't visit gph

[south sequoia]

it only matters for when you do stuff like challenge mode and meta

[hollow gust]

Alsace is so slow

[south sequoia]

if you do not care about those two things you can live life without thinking of ech

[regal wasp]

didnt people generally avoid meta fights esp f2p players becuase meta ships took slots

it took them like 3 years to give us seperate dock slots

[viscid swift]

speaking of tech do we know what tech the new ships give yet

[regal wasp]

alsace give 1 fp

[south sequoia]

Its more like its too much of a hassle for such eh reward

[regal wasp]

I doubt most people ever finish OpSi quest even

[hollow gust]

[south sequoia]

ever since gimmicks got introduced, each meta boss fight has just been straying further and further from being newer player friendly

this one in particular is just pushing it

[regal wasp]

but but meh end game /s

[hollow gust]

What end game, yall just gonna copy cn

[steady beacon]

Just manual then anyone can do it

[plain saffron]

ew

[regal wasp]

what is manual

[steady beacon]

The great equaliser

[worldly pewter]

playing the game

[sullen creek]

Damn imagine actually playing the game

[whole crypt]

copy dalao homework good, I have more important things to spend time on

[south sequoia]

Ah yes doubt emote, as if new players will always get assists and have the time and gear to adjust for timings and gimmicks

[regal wasp]

Log In - Watch L2Ds i bought - Auto Dailies - Auto OpSi - Auto meta boss - monthly auto OpS end boss - Auto PvP - fuck right off

[whole crypt]

this one is just staggering, the problem is timing is one of those things we start telling newer players for bosses

[regal wasp]

and I am ok with it

[whole crypt]

and it's awfully easy to clash timings when you use standard gear sets

[steady beacon]

You can play the game however you want

[regal wasp]

@whole crypt let me introduce you to reload tech points

[whole crypt]

what about them

[south sequoia]

reload tech doesn't really affect staggering

[viscid swift]

ah yes because newer players will have tons of tech

[regal wasp]

even if you copy them, chances are you will not deal same dmg as them

[hushed dawn]

Datamine out yet?

[south sequoia]

[regal wasp]

been for long check pins

[whole crypt]

I'm not expecting new players to one shot, I'm saying newer players can still reasonably 2-3shot by knowing staggering

[regal wasp]

2-3 shot? my guy you are way overestimating average player

[winter condor]

playing since 4 years still didn't one shot KEK

[whole crypt]

the "average" player doesn't even care and doesn't matter whether you time or stagger for any META

[keen sable]

New not average. You think an average can even dent hiryuu meta? My assist log begs to differ

[worldly pewter]

it depends how someone consider a new player

[velvet pumice]

predl is up? forgot update my al in my emulator so another 10+gb

[winter condor]

is really hard to a newer player do that unless who they go tryhard and swipe a bit

[regal wasp]

I mean rodney meta really did seperate average players and player that actually read or copy tho

[silk sphinx]

Swiping won’t help much

[sullen creek]

Literally this

[regal wasp]

Swiping doesnt do shit cuz some tech point and most URs are locked behind time gate

[whole crypt]

the biggest help swiping will get is lv70 pack, but you still need to learn what to do

[regal wasp]

well at least CVs are doable for newplayers now. Implacable is only time gate piece

which can replace by ark or avp so there is that

[velvet pumice]

im also 4 years and still cant oneshot rodney meta since i lack +20 cv rld making it hard to use End game gears like Tenrai

[whole crypt]

you can Ark Royal until you can work on AvP, before Implacable reruns

[worldly pewter]

well TBH i m doing rodney with 5 f2p characters thanks to pilica cooking

[whole crypt]

it's not like we started OS 3.5 years ago using Shinano/Hakuryuu/Implacable

[hushed dawn]

What are people's thoughts on Alsace's second skill?

[whole crypt]

what about it

[south sequoia]

why are you saying f2p characters as if theres a p2w character in AL

[regal wasp]

use brest and call it a day

[worldly pewter]

f2p as in u can get them without construction

[viscid swift]

that's non gacha

if you're insinating you need to pay for gacha with that then....

[worldly pewter]

enty u can get her from contruction but also from the rookie

that is why i didn't say non gacha

[velvet pumice]

if i have completed the rld i can oneshot it probably but yeah cv is just difficult to max rld cuz there alot of CV that gives RLD compare to BB that has 17+ rld

[plain saffron]

but if you say f2p they can still get all ships

[viscid swift]

that's still non gacha...

[plain saffron]

i spent 0 money on pull or anything that gives cubes

[worldly pewter]

i meant by f2p as no need to do construction to get them

[silk sphinx]

I’ve never bought any cubes, still pulled every banner

[regal wasp]

Al has worst money worth in all gacha in terms of player power. it is just better to buy L2Ds

[velvet pumice]

paying +70 lvl commander maybe but that still probably not that much of a help since need to level up ships anyways

[plain saffron]

imagine skipping banner

[south sequoia]

We get what your point is but the term is wrong

[frank pulsar]

maint ends in 2 hours right

[plain saffron]

don't skip, instead limit

[regal wasp]

Imagine we having to suggest u should whale for alsace

[viscid swift]

yeah that's not what F2P means, esepcially in the context of AL...

[south sequoia]

assuming nothing explodes yes

[strong tartan]

2 hour 5 minute

[plain saffron]

if you 200 cubes in maybe you shouldn't chase that one elite

[hard mesa]

[tame jungle]

MM part 2 today

[steady beacon]

Oopsie

[velvet pumice]

battlepass is worth in my opinion

[worldly pewter]

i should have been more precise i guess

[steady beacon]

Was 216 builds for Whydah a bad idea?

[regal wasp]

what does BP even give, cubes and prints?

[plain saffron]

i spent all my cubes once so not bad

[velvet pumice]

research blueprint you forgot

[viscid swift]

depends on where you sit in my 100% progression guide

[regal wasp]

well fair enough for new player but pr1 and pr2 u can just give coins

then you skip pr3 and just straight pr 4

[steady beacon]

Not nearly high enough

[plain saffron]

battle pass? a lot of stuff but mostly non trivial

[velvet pumice]

bp gives pr6 bps so that helps alot in building pr4 to 6

[regal wasp]

fair enough i guess

[velvet pumice]

but yeah thats about it anything like monthly pass cubes are not worth

[viscid swift]

like, for smaller purely colelction events like the Tempesta event I always reccomend setting a hard budget and sticking to it if you can't take multiple bad hits without being crippled cube wise

[velvet pumice]

me i just straight up skip elites if i got all SSR before elites

ive learned my lesson not bust cubes on elites for collection

[steady beacon]

Indeed, a fair philosophy

[viscid swift]

like, back for my first few events was I would allow myself the 3 daily builds for the mission and then 2 additional 10 pulls on the least day until I reached that point

[regal wasp]

i used to pull everything untill they just started printing out same styles, it is really hard for me to specifically pull for one character unless it is UR. like What does SR BBs even give me, just another slot in my dock. Purple hurts more.

[patent pivot]

python

[velvet pumice]

setting up your budget is a good idea for me i usually budget my self upto 180 cubes per event if i cant get all of it in 180 cubes and im done not worth

[plain saffron]

QT?

[regal wasp]

I just dont care anymore cuz they are literally the same

[patent pivot]

pysimplegui, just a wrapper for tkinter. im too stupid for tkinter

[plain saffron]

[viscid swift]

collection rate is still collection rate for me, and so is tech

[plain saffron]

but the tech

[velvet pumice]

tkinter is better but eh since python is not mainly used in UI

[hard mesa]

I guess mogador doesnt give fp tech?

[regal wasp]

i mean we have good tech for like 1 character per event. do i really care for DD hit rate

[viscid swift]

you'll eventually get through all the other stuff

[regal wasp]

i am down for BB FP rld and AVI rld

[velvet pumice]

+1 FP is good

[worldly pewter]

DD care more about trp

[viscid swift]

I have no idea at this point

[velvet pumice]

some dds wants FP

[viscid swift]

but why....
1 point of FP is much more valuable than 1 point of trp on a DD

[worldly pewter]

i didn't know that

[viscid swift]

well compare the amount of P a DD usually has to the amount of torp stat they usually have, then you'll see why

[worldly pewter]

i thought the trp scaling is much stronger

[regal wasp]

depends

[velvet pumice]

Leffey II, Felix, Otto Von Yuudachi and etc

[tame jungle]

what's a bigger number: 1 out of 80 or 1 out of 300

[viscid swift]

Kita is a classic for this

[jaunty vault]

300 is bigger than 80

[plain saffron]

300 is bigger number

[tame jungle]

#true

[velvet pumice]

like 90% wants trp and most of them are not good to use

and one of the best DD right now wants FP like Laffey II, Felix, Otto, missile DDs

[hard mesa]

Well i can only hope brennus gives eva like sanrui

[regal wasp]

but other DDs like shimakaze want trp. it all depends

[velvet pumice]

i wish mogador gives +1fp dd

[regal wasp]

also felix mentioned that means u also have to mention jervis

those are like two of DDs that prefer torp

[forest palm]

120 tech doko

[viscid swift]

Shima is the exception rather than the norm

[velvet pumice]

trp is not bad thing in dd still depends mine i prefer +1fp cuz i always use gunner DDs rather than trp dds like shima

[hard mesa]

Jervis has stronger aoa, and huge part of it scale with fp stat

[velvet pumice]

also this

[viscid swift]

torpedo tech just does less overall than FP for DDs hence why when doing DD tech FP goes first usually

[forest palm]

there's more DDs that rely on Gun Damage, and AoA spam than actual Torp Spamers like Shimakaze

[velvet pumice]

+fp is more consistent dmg to other dds

shima is strong but prob is shes squisy so i just never use her and use Felix, Otto and Laffey II instead

[forest palm]

using DDs in general

[velvet pumice]

using DDs hard except those i mention keklmao

[regal wasp]

DDs are fun. give a try

esp tank DDs

[forest palm]

[regal wasp]

tbf there is only 3 top tier tank DDs. Laffey 2 then drop Felix and jervis but still they are fun

[velvet pumice]

you forgot otto

but yeah if have felix you probably not gonna use otto

[lean sable]

I am a returnee and have nearly no URs besides the usual Kai like Sandy etc.

Got my first one with Kron. I heard that she is one with the least prio. Is there like any point using her? I mean she is for sure better than my other tanks but Is it better to just wait out the next URs? Besides Azuma is dev 30 in a few days.

[viscid swift]

well 2 new URs are dropping in a few hours after this maintenance ends

[scenic birch]

[regal wasp]

Kron has decent cross fleet barragee in end game so we use her as barrage bot but do not disuade you from using her. if you dont have Agir, she is perfectly fine

[left tiger]

Do i need ur bulins for mog or i can mlb from event?

[viscid swift]

you need at least 3

[regal wasp]

u need bullins still

[viscid swift]

you can only get 1 dupe from the shop

[lean sable]

Okay thank you for the info😊

[velvet pumice]

kron decent alternation but kron fell off

[regal wasp]

again he doesnt have agir or any CBs

[viscid swift]

the issue with Kronshtadt mainly is the oppurtunity cost of using UR Bullins on her

[atomic abyss]

And that's why we have Anchorage

[viscid swift]

Agir and Anchorage are relatively easy and quick to get worked up these days, esepcially Anchorage

[velvet pumice]

just use or build anchorage at this point

[atomic abyss]

URs and research are the most sensitive to opportunity cost in this game

[viscid swift]

Kronshtadt is just easily replacable in what she does by other ships but she uses arguably one of the most valuable and time-gated resources in this game

[velvet pumice]

upgrading kron is still takes time if the player is new

[viscid swift]

plus they said Azuma would be Dev 30 in a few days

[velvet pumice]

then just use azuma then

[viscid swift]

so it's not like they're lacking options for tanks

[regal wasp]

Coins are actually god send for new players

[velvet pumice]

Coins is pain to get ngl

[regal wasp]

is it even easy to get coins before you unlock 12-4. i cant even remember anymore

[atomic abyss]

You can always oil cap farm w9 once you get there

[pallid yoke]

1 hour and 37 minutes left?

[jaunty vault]

Maintenance scheduled to end <t:1716303600:R> at <t:1716303600:t>

[regal wasp]

that is if doesnt blown up. Jp got 1 hour delay

[pallid yoke]

Thanks!

[jaunty vault]

yes 1:37

[velvet pumice]

world 13 is better in coin farmin

[wintry obsidian]

Does Algerie META benefit from Richelieu's buffs seeing as she's META rather than Iris/Vichya?

[atomic abyss]

She is meta so nope

[regal wasp]

I say 12-4 because it can be farmed by lvl 100 ships with medicre gear. farm exp while we farm for coins

[atomic abyss]

Basically the only real choices are like
Brest, Mogador, Sanrui, Jeanne and Marseillaise

[south sequoia]

13-4 would be one of the best for pure exp/oil

other bests would be 14-1 and 13-2

[regal wasp]

Let all remember Brennus

I hope she does good at riche fleet

[atomic abyss]

I do hope Brennus can join the 5 yes

[blazing shale]

Which content's the fleet for?

Meta?

[regal wasp]

waifu 😭

joke aside, my mob fleet

[sharp socket]

assuming i get both UR on the event, do i use ultra bulin on the BB though i have soyuz 120 or on DD cause i dont have good DDs

[atomic abyss]

Unironically
The Frenchies may have the best proper faction fleets now LOL

[viscid swift]

Alsace if Soyuz is your only UR BB

[atomic abyss]

Almost certainly Alsace

[regal wasp]

isnt it IJN and KMS still better

[viscid swift]

well faction fleets for what exactly, because there's many ways to swing this

[atomic abyss]

I mean the Frenchies do actually have good faction buffers...

But if you go down to the specifics of what the fleet is for...

[hallow iron]

Is game up?

[atomic abyss]

It is not

[viscid swift]

not yet

[night pumice]

I think there's still another 2 ish hours

[hallow iron]

Ok thank u

[blazing shale]

Alsace new top BB? Idk how to read datamines

[regal wasp]

Like FDG - Bis Zwei - UvH - Agir - That buffer that i forgot the name - Hindern is really really hard to beat

[viscid swift]

you mean Emden?

[hallow iron]

Excited to play, just started yesterday for a couple of hours suddenly massive update today XD

[regal wasp]

Alsace is same as Vanguard and soyuz. do and choose what u want

[sharp socket]

i just noticed fdg is shiny aw frick i have to go pr2

[soft raft]

you should be going for FdG anyways

[sharp socket]

im still on pr4 for avp and agir

[keen sable]

DE has amazing buffers

[regal wasp]

@viscid swift Regensburg

[keen sable]

Getting a ship has nothing to do with research focus

[atomic abyss]

I mean
You shd unlock FdG first
Since you can coin her without need to switch to pr2

[viscid swift]

why Regensburg

[regal wasp]

she is 8% buffer

[hallow iron]

@viscid swift is new unit very good? Should I pull?

[atomic abyss]

There's UR
So pull

[sharp socket]

i can dev fdg when i get time for farm DC and get more IB tech

[viscid swift]

pull yes for Alsace

[atomic abyss]

Wait

Agir needs more tech than FdG no?

[keen sable]

You can't do agir if you can't do fdg...

[sharp socket]

yeah but i can hold

[atomic abyss]

[sharp socket]

im just getting prints

[soft raft]

70 more yeah

[sharp socket]

isnt that the point of staying here

[viscid swift]

FDG is coinable, Agir is not

[soft raft]

Why is your research focus on PR2
Dont do that

[atomic abyss]

I mean
You're not supposed to switch research series 2

[fresh tangle]

One day I’ll have anchorage. Slowly working on MLBing the common and rare ships 😂

[sharp socket]

im on pr4

[atomic abyss]

Just unlock her so you can start coining her earlier

[keen sable]

@sharp socket

[sharp socket]

yeah i know

but i can get ship to dev30 faster with focus

[viscid swift]

unlocking FDG faster directly impacts how soon you can get her maxed, with Agir it doesn't matter

[regal wasp]

do we really do agir in pr4 if you have a choice for haku. assuming he can do both

[keen sable]

Unlock fdg first = moar free stuff. Unlock fdg last = snail

[viscid swift]

what

[soft raft]

Everyone in PR4 is high priority
Except Marco

[sharp comet]

are brennus, alsaca and fleuret the gacha-only ships or is there another one?

[night pumice]

is mogador worth trying to pick up or can I just keep using starter squad or something

[viscid swift]

she's free if you play the game basically so...

[night pumice]

there's a meta in the gacha too

[soft raft]

Everyone except Mogador is gacha
BearnM is also the usual SR map drop/shop ship

[cobalt rapids]

Worth picking up but she needs lbs to replace stuff

[sharp comet]

but the meta is also a map drop, so she isnt gacha only

[night pumice]

so get her but don't use her until I can push her to mlb

[cobalt rapids]

Thats the gist of it for most ships

[velvet pumice]

new dd gun good?

[sharp socket]

but ill be wasting resources if i get a ship and dont/cant use her because theyll be hardstuck lv90 cuz no dev30

[shell willow]

is bern meta gonna be limit breakable with bulins?

[keen sable]

Better yet get 2 and save a bulin

[velvet pumice]

so this dd gun is the highest fp bonus

[viscid swift]

PR ships aren't level capped by limit breaks

[sharp socket]

can i get them to 120

[viscid swift]

yes

[keen sable]

You get fdg for free but only if you get her first

[sharp socket]

aw shit my plans have fallen apart

[regal wasp]

Bern meta is meta ship and it is goddamn pain in the ass to build

[viscid swift]

not really

[velvet pumice]

not really if you slap some meta skill books

[keen sable]

The later you get fdg the less free she is

[dawn crest]

why?

[soft dew]

hey guys, just came back to the game after a year and a half. i feel pretty enthusiastic to start collecting again. did the new URs after musashi have their rerun yet?

[velvet pumice]

shes way more easier to farm compare to u556 meta lmao shes awful to max her skill since that time we dont have meta skill books

[sharp socket]

im still young i wont die so fast its fine that i have spent 6 months inefficiently

[opaque galleon]

Does Alsace change the premier BB fleet?

[regal wasp]

@velvet pumice that i cannot argue

[cobalt rapids]

Not even musashi got her rerun, nxt ur in line is vanny

[eternal basalt]

They mean lmb, but you can get the rest in shop (or META store but CtA)

[soft raft]

We are not even at Musashi rerun yet so no, not yet

[viscid swift]

no, we haven't even gotten Vanguard's rerun yet

[regal wasp]

@opaque galleon Alsace,VG and soyuz are same. Pick and choose whatever you want

[viscid swift]

what

[regal wasp]

pick 2 of three. what hard about it

[velvet pumice]

it took me months and months just to level up her skill and the most pain in the ass mission is you need to use her every battle in operation siren to get more exp never again keklmao

[whole crypt]

"same"

[soft raft]

"same" in what matter?

[atomic abyss]

Ho boi

[keen sable]

Because you can dev fdg for free through coining. 2 free a day plus 4 more heavily discounted.

[viscid swift]

you're claiming that all 3 are interchangeable with no difference in performance what so ever...

[soft raft]

because Vanguard and Soyuz are on like polar opposites of the UR BB (Excluding Warspite) spectrum

[regal wasp]

yes they should be in bossing fleet in term of performance unless you are talking campaign

[dawn crest]

I wonder if I can guarantee at least the UR on this list with my small amount of cubes

[whole crypt]

actually VG and Musashi are, at least Soyuz has a damage buff

[velvet pumice]

U556 meta is really good sub ship but never again never again farm those skills

[soft raft]

they have XP books now, just use those

[regal wasp]

the difference is like 30000 from earlier calculations

[whole crypt]

M556 skills wasn't really an issue for me so

[regal wasp]

and that is without VG buffed vanguards dmg

[eternal basalt]

Farming was easy... maybe because I... play OPS

[velvet pumice]

meta xp books isnt even out when u556 meta release men

[cobalt rapids]

What calculations

[whole crypt]

probably yahoo's sims

[soft dew]

thats so nice. did we get any reruns of the new events from late 2022-early 2023?

[atomic abyss]

Why are we using yahoo in 2024

But yes

[viscid swift]

calculations are just that, not to mention how these ships are to run, equip, etc in practice also factors in

[eternal basalt]

Weren't they released with u-556?

[soft raft]

We've only just started to
Kronstadht being the first major event from 2022 to rerun

[atomic abyss]

Events rerun after about 2 years so...

[opaque galleon]

Did those assume 100% hit? Do we know how the barrage looks?

[velvet pumice]

cuz ur smart you wait for change me literally day 1 farming of u556 meta skills should never do that lmao

[regal wasp]

ok but what do you want me to say. VG is dog shit compared to other two?

[cobalt rapids]

And theres alot that needs to be assumed for calcs or at least to be disclosed

[viscid swift]

Alsace for instance is about as slow as Musashi which means potentially scuffing her damage to make sure she keeps synced

[signal plover]

Hey guys
Is there a tier list/guide for fleet comps
Asking since tier list only has singular ships

[whole crypt]

what? I just farmed M556's skills like I did for every other META

[velvet pumice]

No men after the event of bisco zwei they release that qol