gameplay-help

[half plover]

yeah but I would like to raise ships in that meantime since I cant just swap out all ships at once

[grand solar]

I am working on,getting Implacable up so she can get her place next to Enterprise in my boss killer fleet for OpSi.

[atomic abyss]

Yeah but you have nothing better...

[half plover]

otherwise they will hit 3mio before I can even use any others 😭

[atomic abyss]

Just wait for the event... You'll be spamming build a lot then

[half plover]

then I could probably level only for tech points

[eager mulch]

tbh I don’t see many that are more than just tech

[half plover]

so when I slot in some ships for tech is there any important faction

[eager mulch]

ones you need for pr

[half plover]

I already unlocked FdG

I could work on EU or any other faction for others

do I want to unlock for pr4 specific or maybe pr5 / 6?

[atomic abyss]

Anchorage then

[half plover]

ty

[worldly pewter]

the issue with dwelling in pr4 not only the ships but also the gear

[cobalt kettle]

In the prototype shop, the ur weapon 50 limit is a one time only?

ok ill prob sack my pr/dr sim ones (that hasnt been released) for the weapons

[eternal moth]

I'd save for FS5 and then scrap anything left over

[cobalt kettle]

I barely even use the ships after 30

I mean does it even matter that much, dont u just get more anyways from research lab

assuming u already have every ship

[eternal moth]

Who's to say how they'll change once FS5 is released, though?

And that may not be TOO far in the future, since we're about 2 months from PR7 being released

[viscid swift]

or about 3 months from PR6 PR fate sims being released

[cobalt kettle]

cant u get enough to fate sim in 3months anyways

[viscid swift]

why take risks for one, and second why farm for soemthing you don't have to in the first place over something that does

[cobalt kettle]

I already have all ship bps at dev30, just wanna get the URs

Dont u still get BPs regardless if u finish or not

[viscid swift]

you'll get plenty of protocores just from farming UR gear

[cobalt kettle]

[eternal moth]

Yep. Start going for gear researches instead of ship BPs

[viscid swift]

Too much in fact

[cobalt kettle]

Well i found out i had a lot of excess pr choice bps

My 2nd one

[whole crypt]

when did q152 hit proto shop again

[soft raft]

like Jan-Feb
Somewhere within that timeframe

[viscid swift]

January 30th

[whole crypt]

felt like longer but ah well... was just thinking when I'll need more proto cores again for hindenburg gun

[eternal moth]

You have less than 3k protocores?

[whole crypt]

6k now

I haven't analyzed prints for at least a year

[stark quiver]

do u have tat much bc u have nothing to mlb, cuz if so im in big trouble

[viscid swift]

What specialized cores?

[whole crypt]

all I can say is keep playing

[icy mountain]

wtf, how do you get that much protocores??

[whole crypt]

there I'm settled for proto cores for the next 12 years

[viscid swift]

maxed all the PR ships so every BP I get these days is Protocores

[frank kernel]

The answer to most questions like this is "play the game". The longer you play, the bigger your stockpile gets.

[icy mountain]

oh, do you also need to fs5 agir for her to be usable?

or is she fine at dev30?

[whole crypt]

cheeky is probably at the same place as I am and didn't bother to analyze all his prints, he should have way more than 20k otherwise

[viscid swift]

No, dev 30 regardless of if a ship has a Fate sim or kot

[whole crypt]

Agir doesn't even have FS

[viscid swift]

All my BPs are analyzed barring the ones I saved for fate sims

[icy mountain]

oh okay so not all pr ships has fs

[frank kernel]

They should all eventually get one. But the better ships take longer to get them. Usually.

[whole crypt]

I thought you'd have more

DR ships don't have a regular schedule for FS as it is

[sweet delta]

I have fewer than 1k protocores

[whole crypt]

analyze your prints

[icy mountain]

ive been playing since end of march so safe to say im still a noob but ill manage in like a year or so

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind for like my first months of playing I was pretty much a casual, and I didn't give a shit about doing PR reserach regularly until oil caps became a thing

[whole crypt]

I just added around 33k cores without touchng the selectable prints

[frank kernel]

Due to rerun schedules it realistically takes 2 years of consistent play to (mostly) catch up. But you shouldn't feel rushed because time is the gate and you can't do much about it.

[icy mountain]

yeah the only thing i wont need to catch up is saving up cubes

[whole crypt]

it can take years for some res to snowball

[icy mountain]

also i already cleared all the stages in opsi

is it fine to do auto on secured zones?

[eager mulch]

all hiddens/abyssals/strongholds?

[frank kernel]

There's an interesting inflection point for cogs too. You can be swimming in them until you reach late game where the only thing to regularly do is level ships to max. Then you can eventually run out.

[exotic wren]

Ngl I thought late game is when you start +13 all your main gears and mid game is when you do 120s

[jagged elk]

can someone help me fleet build for w14-3

[left nest]

At what point do I start getting the "good" gear lab stuff, I've played up to 2-2 in operation siren and i keep missing these crafting materials

[eager mulch]

2-2 doesn’t even unlock reset which is when the real money starts rolling in

[left nest]

I have a long way to go then huh

[eager mulch]

grind never ends 💪

[exotic wren]

Siren story is relatively quick tho

[sharp token]

should i use taihou mlb or haku dev25?

[left nest]

imo taihou

[eager mulch]

taihou

non mlb/dev30 ships are all dogshit

[left nest]

PR ships not at dev30 or higher usually not worth using

[sweet delta]

imo haku

[viscid swift]

Start a thread and post your dock

[jagged elk]

okae

[sweet delta]

unless you alr paid for taihou aug

[viscid swift]

120 the ships in your 2 main fleets sure, 120ing hundreds of ships just for tech yeah

[jagged elk]

w14 teambuidling

[wraith oyster]

How many coins a run is 12-4

[left nest]

i think about 2k per run? iirc every time I do batches of 3 I get about 6-7k

[soft raft]

Sounds about right

[sweet delta]

/wiki chater 12

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chapter_12

[stone sluice]

What’s the difference between wyvern and spearfish?

[viscid swift]

the wyvern can passively intercept, the spearfish cannot
the spearfish reloads faster
the spearfish's torps do less damage but it also gains rockets
the spearfish is overall more "expensive" to craft than the wyvern by virtue of costing 9 T3 ordinance reports

[jagged elk]

should i pick up flares or lighthouse

[viscid swift]

light house yes, flares no

[jagged elk]

[topaz smelt]

spear is just overall better

[jagged elk]

ok boss fleet good; souryuu meta seems to be doing horribly on mob

[eager mulch]

riceist in alo, how long until he leaves again

[topaz smelt]

prob a week

[viscid swift]

oh hello Riceist, why have you snuck back in this time

[topaz smelt]

got bored

[viscid swift]

define horribly

[elfin hollow]

The heck, I can develop Brest now? but I only have Richelieu and Dunkerque for main
2 ships for xp farming, does it work?

[jagged elk]

less than unicorn

[viscid swift]

don't take endscreen damage numbers at face value

[viscid swift]

yes but you can also get Bearn from Skybound Oratorio giving you a 3rd ship to work with

[south sequoia]

It'll work but its a bit slow

[sullen creek]

But that's all people do here

[elfin hollow]

yeah, that's what I thought

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Béarn

[slate forge]

would it be fine for me to post a couple screenshots in this chat to get some fleet composition help

[whole crypt]

if you have a lot of screenshots start a thread

[slate forge]

okay i prob dont have too many screenshots but ill do a thread just in case thanks

[warm flax]

cta tomorrow?

[icy mountain]

i cant auto hiddens since i lack the tickets to get the hidden logger

[sweet delta]

then manual them

[tawdry drum]

Is the Submarine uss flasher good ?

[sweet delta]

One of the best in any fleet

[tawdry drum]

I read the skill and it's sound very good but not sure

Thx

[slate forge]

ive been playing on and off for a while now but mostly casually collecting and wasting all my money on outfits. ive been wanting to get into the more complex stuff in the game like gearing and farming and whatever else i need to do to get good. im looking for some fleet advice because really ive just been running whatever looked decent on the tier list but without any synergies in mind. id appreciate any and all advice for anything al related tbh but id like to setup some decent fleets to breeze through campaign thanks!

sry to cover ur guys screen haha

[robust jackal]

Any reason I should save my General PR 5 and 6 prints? Everyone is developed but not in the water yet because of levels. Just talking about the PR ships I'd like to get some in the water.

[rain vine]

you can coin all PR ships from season 1-4
you cant do that for season 5-6

[viscid swift]

I don't quite follow

[robust jackal]

Sorry for my wording, I'm asking if its alright to use the general PR 5 and 6 prints to finish the development levels on a ship or if I should save them

[viscid swift]

Well of course use them to finish maxing a ship

[normal crane]

Should i use all the AP points boxes?

[robust jackal]

Gotcha, thanks.

[rain vine]

before the end of the month, yes

[normal crane]

Got it, also is it worth it to do abyssal and stronghold node?

[viscid swift]

Of course

[robust jackal]

Is there a guide for PR 5 and 6 for which ships to prioritize first?

[loud scarab]

i want to wait on reclaiming the ur bulin from the season pass to save one dock slot, the cutoff for claiming it is the end of may right? it's going to be after the next event ur?

[viscid swift]

Next event which should have a UR should start on the 23rd

[viscid swift]

You mean to unlock? Or max?

[vast sparrow]

Is there a website or stuff that has every Acronyms and meaning like "powercrept" and other stuff?

[robust jackal]

yes

[viscid swift]

Unlock order doesn't particularly matter

[robust jackal]

Gtocha, just whoever you can utilize best then?

[viscid swift]

Maxing order well Plymouth for PR5 and PR6 probably Shimanto then the DRs

[whole crypt]

recon then auto
just do them whenever recon order is cooled down

[vast sparrow]

Zeppy > Bama?

Clearing 11-2 rn

[viscid swift]

Graf Zeppelin?

Or Zeppy

[whole crypt]

Alabama > Bismarck even, but underleveled

[topaz smelt]

that bama aint mlb

[whole crypt]

ah

well both BBs underleveled... and we don't know what level his Zeppy/Zeppelin is either

[vast sparrow]

100

It's the Graf

[whole crypt]

would work, but I'd say just level up in 11-1 first

[viscid swift]

The gold one yes, then keep Graf Zeppelin

[whole crypt]

what other BBs/CVs do you have to choose, because that sounds like you won't have enough to tackle 12 even if you pushed through 11

[vast sparrow]

Aye, also I'm replacing Chapy with Retrofitted Sandy for the next chapter (leveling Sandy ofc)

[viscid swift]

Please don't retro sandy just for W12

[whole crypt]

why not replace nimi

[vast sparrow]

I need her on 100

[whole crypt]

at this point retrofitting San Diego waiting for ch13 is fine too

[viscid swift]

Especially with a new UR probably in a week

[whole crypt]

just level the fleet up at 11-1

[vast sparrow]

Aye

Boss fleet already 115+

[dawn hamlet]

is it possible to compose T3 box into T4? I don't see the option

[whole crypt]

purple is highest you can craft

[dawn hamlet]

alright thank you

[dense sable]

did they remove classified mission loggers from opsi exchange shop?

[jaunty vault]

no

those things are a one time purchase, they do not reset monthly

[plain saffron]

It's one time each, added more whenever they feel like

[dense sable]

@plain saffron @jaunty vault ahh gotcha, didnt pay attention to the numbers on the files, thought they resets each time, thx for the answers

[main latch]

What the best stage i could do for EXP grind

[steady beacon]

Well, since you've cleared 11-1... 11-1

[main latch]

I saw a post asking about the most efficient farming stage, and I wanted to ask the same here. Since you mentioned that it's 11-1, I'm assuming I should just auto the highest stage I can beat, right?

[steady beacon]

Partly
But it is also true that 11-1 still possesses the highest exp/oil ratio of any stage in the campaign, so it is, at least in principle, an actually good farming spot
Just that higher worlds also have better coin returns/allow for cogs, so most players these days prefer to farm those for resources as well, rather than being solely fixated on the aforementioned highest exp/oil ratio
In any event, it is a good farming spot for you right this instant

[whole crypt]

11-1 is not one of the highest, it is the highest XP/oil

[main latch]

Ah okay whats the closest stage for Cogs for me ?

[whole crypt]

we just recommend doing 12 because chips and no suicide/burns

[main latch]

any stage in 12?

[whole crypt]

any stage from 12 onwards have a chance to drop chips

[main latch]

ah okay thanks

[steady beacon]

Had the highest, then brain derped and was like... did I forget some other 13+ stage or something, so I hastily changed to one of the
Something cooper said yesterday about getting bullied out of gph for wrong information

[whole crypt]

just don't be wrong

[haughty dust]

are any of the war archives ships any good? At some point I do want to continue on with them besides just the divergent chessboard one.

[cobalt rapids]

jda is good but only for lategame

[haughty dust]

Which one is that?

[cobalt rapids]

jeanne d'arc

[haughty dust]

oh ok

would you recommend doing all of them at some point at least for collections purposes if you’re one of those people like I am.

[cobalt rapids]

collections purposes is fine but most of the time collection purposes conflict with progression purposes but thats ur personal choice to make

[vale apex]

what fleet for rodney meta boss

[cobalt rapids]

soyuz enty and indep fc helena kaza

[blazing shale]

Was there a guide for w15? Also w14 is cleared now so ty neko

[cobalt rapids]

there is in /w15

[lament hazel]

which one I should buy

[steady beacon]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[steady beacon]

Also uh... kinda hard to tell when we can't see how much currency you have available
But the protocore chart should make the priorities clear

[topaz smelt]

ply gun is way too high imo

[steady beacon]

Shoot the creator, not me

[vale spindle]

french event will give a new HE UR CL gun and then ill lower it trust

[steady beacon]

Also, since you're here Sam, I should ask
What is your criterion for "niche"
Because I was wondering about that yesterday over the Saiun and Agir gun

[vale spindle]

so funny story i haven't gone through all the nerezza descriptions throughouly

so some of them are holdovers that i just forget to change / update and wait for you (the public) to tell me to change

[topaz smelt]

imagine expecting ppl to know what theyre talking about

[vale spindle]

however in this case agir gun is niche from the prototype shop specifically because you need to
a) not do pr4 research
b) have a ur cb dev 30 / mlb (or fs5 if azuma)
c) not have guam gun and/or kron gun

for it to be worth

[steady beacon]

Although it is third these days isn't it

[topaz smelt]

not really uncommon tbh

[vale spindle]

yea nowadays since pr4 is coinable its more likely that people will fall into this category

hence why its mentioned, although i could probably lower it more

[topaz smelt]

all you see ppl doing is rushing pr5/6

[vale spindle]

for similar reasons, azuma gun is mentioned in my gear lab priority guide too

[topaz smelt]

some day theyll add a cb gun to gear lab

[vale spindle]

azuma gun is in gear lab and agir gun might get added too we will see

[steady beacon]

So, then, you only answered half the question 👀
What of the Saiun?

[topaz smelt]

tldr me

[vale spindle]

where is it specifically listed as niche

you mean why its green border?

because its an account dependent best in slot equip

some accounts really want saiun, and some accounts don't need it
its green border as a way of saying "do your own research" / "buy if needed"

whereas for something like champy gun its a best in slot regardless of your account status

[topaz smelt]

i knew sam was cn after all

[steady beacon]

Fair enough
Although... though it be minor... Idk whether I'd still say the Saiun is worth it "only" for timing adjustment purposes (in the actual description)
But if we take the timing adjustment argument, I'm also not sure if I'd agree some accounts "don't need it" (I'd think everyone should want some, at least eventually, since timing adjust is important)
But prob at the end of the day this is all quibbling over the minute details

[cobalt kettle]

how much oil do you get a day

[vale spindle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource

[cobalt kettle]

also do u get that many materials with 1k ap from opsi if u just repeat 5 (by using weekly oil)

[vale spindle]

i never buy AP with oil

[topaz smelt]

like next to none

[steady beacon]

Do you mean guaranteed? Because the answer otherwise would depend on your commission luck, your canteen level, and probably a ton of other things I'm forgetting...

[vale spindle]

all my excess oil goes to dorm food and dorm food only

[topaz smelt]

most of opsi mats come from the notable nodes

[cobalt kettle]

[cobalt kettle]

wat do u mean notable nodes

[steady beacon]

Like Abyssal/Stronghold/Hidden

C3/C5 fishing is kind of on the margins, you just do it not to let your extra AP go to straight waste

[vale spindle]

if the node has a symbol on it = do it

[steady beacon]

(Provided you can, and don't get straight walled by a zombie Abyssal)

[cobalt kettle]

oh

[slow fox]

All of my excess oil goes to Warchives

[cobalt kettle]

yeah i meant farming after finishing all the notable stuff

[steady beacon]

Just do it to use up your extra AP
Idk about gold mats (long stopped caring about them), but anecdotally I think the gold plate income is like... 20ish I've heard from some people...
Definitely a small fraction of the number you'd get from Hidden/Abyssal/Stronghold/Arbiter in total

[cobalt kettle]

i just need ordanence materials

[steady beacon]

But every gold plate counts

[cobalt kettle]

[steady beacon]

I swear I must have played this game wrong bc I never realised until coming here that gold ords are scarce

[cobalt kettle]

also, if ur working on 120 every ship, how long does it take to get a batch to 120

[cobalt rapids]

they were not scarce for ppl who hoarded em before the last gearlab updates

[cobalt kettle]

i just always use it on the strongest gear,

[steady beacon]

OK, so it's a boomer thing then

[cobalt kettle]

when was that

[cobalt rapids]

ye now 457s eat through em and ppl are impatient and tend to convert
also flaps

[broken fable]

bitch

[cobalt kettle]

wtf u doing here

[broken fable]

i've always been here

[cobalt kettle]

wait we joined the same day l0l

[topaz smelt]

imo ppl are making too manyt 457s

[steady beacon]

Idk about time in total but like... hmmmm
Accounting for varying starting levels, variation in who gets MVP, and etc.
Probl 1.5-2 weeks for me to get a group of six to 120...
But I'm also dreadfully inefficient, so maybe don't take me as the standard...

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[cobalt kettle]

the bb gun? i thought u only need 2

[topaz smelt]

ye but a lot of ppl make more

[steady beacon]

Yes, but some people (like myself) are a bit crazy

[cobalt kettle]

[steady beacon]

Probably still not as much as that guy in my guild who sat in PR2 since it came out and got like 6 or something

[cobalt kettle]

i only have a few things left to do before working on 120 all/fleet power gaming

just gotta get the farmable map ships n exp for 5 shipyard ships (already got all bps)

[kindred dust]

Whats the best ap gun for musashi, im trying her out for scharn meta

[cobalt rapids]

izumo gun

[kindred dust]

Would musashi bis2 vanguard agir helena plym work for scharn meta?

[topaz smelt]

what was her mech?

[solid harness]

Is the gear from the new event an important one?

[steady beacon]

... What new event...?

[cobalt rapids]

subs

[frank pulsar]

i think you need asw, idr if its scharn or the other one

[gusty olive]

I think Gneisenau is the one that launches comically large torpedoes

[steady beacon]

Both of them launch comically large torpedo-shaped submarines ye

Or maybe "missile-shaped"

The bosses themselves have no weird gimmick a la Repulse and onwards, though, apart from the once-standard +20% DMG taken debuff

[hollow birch]

if i leave my current guild to temporarily join a bigger one to max out the tech stuff would it work?

[elfin hollow]

It good gun for CL?

[steady beacon]

Is it because your current guild does not have maximum tech level?

[steady beacon]

You can use it as a BB secondary gun, but it's not a good CL main gun option unless pure poverty and you need AP shells

[urban grail]

did cn stream get announced

[elfin hollow]

Alright

[atomic abyss]

Yes it did

[urban grail]

oh when is it

[hollow birch]

how do i check that, cuz it seems like it, every week or two a new upgrade pops up

[atomic abyss]

17 May, 1100 UTC

[steady beacon]

May 17th, 1900 GMT+8

[urban grail]

ok ty guys

[hollow birch]

new UR?

[steady beacon]

Still getting sniped, my dumbass

[atomic abyss]

Maybe?

No official confirmation at least

[steady beacon]

You can check your guild's current maximum tech levels on this screen

[hollow birch]

ye but like how much is the max

[steady beacon]

Gimme a sec to check...

Roster: 20
Coin: 50
Oil: 50
Dock: 15
Warehouse: 15
Cat: 20

[hollow birch]

dock only 15? thats lameee

[steady beacon]

Also God, have I just been slacking on getting my guild tech stuff
Comparing mine to yours, I should consider seppuku

[hollow birch]

wdym

[exotic wren]

oh hey rice is back

[frank pulsar]

al not worth committing seppuku over my guy...

[hollow birch]

do u mean the currency?

[wet prairie]

fails hard pity on waifu ship

[tame orchid]

Is roon better than roon muse

[frank pulsar]

about the same i think

[steady beacon]

Not the currency, just the fact I haven't maxed any of my tech except dock slots lol
Haven't even started depot expansion or cat box
(Granted I never cared for any of them apart from +30 dock lol)

[crimson glacier]

roon muse is stronger but normal roon is more useful

[hollow birch]

its not even that cheap, but its a perma stat at the end of the day

[elfin hollow]

Swordfish is good?

[hollow birch]

does this game have market for accounts, asking theoretically of course

[wet prairie]

Selling accounts is against TOS

[hollow birch]

ik

[wet prairie]

There’s your answer

[steady beacon]

Probably should ask which Swordfish but uh...
In general, the answer is probably no

[hollow birch]

not an answer but ok

[wet prairie]

Against TOS so we don’t talk about it + not worth it in the long run

[inner delta]

Is banning you gonna answer it

[hollow birch]

i asked cuz other games have it, like the hoyo games

[inner delta]

Guy answer its against tos so stop talking about

[hollow birch]

ok

[tame orchid]

Oh

In what way?

[steady beacon]

Useful in the sense she provides KMS tech

[atomic abyss]

RMT is also against Discord's ToS, not just the game's so yeah...
So yeah would be in the best interest to not say anything

[wet prairie]

Room muse doesn’t give IB tech

[tame orchid]

Oh

[wet prairie]

RMT?

[atomic abyss]

Real money transactions

[wet prairie]

Ahh

[atomic abyss]

That's what your selling accounts is called

As for why RooM is better
She's easier to raise really

[steady beacon]

Ngl, that confused me too, because in other contexts RMT = Rate My Team 👀

Which is kinda what we do here...

[tame orchid]

so nitro is against tos

[crimson glacier]

you can stop being stupid now

[wet prairie]

Eh roon is basically free, no bulins but slower

[tame orchid]

[crimson glacier]

yeah normal roon is easier, muse is just better unit

[tame orchid]

Oh

[steady beacon]

Beyond that, Muse allows for potential combo parts in some weird setups

[tame orchid]

Is spending core data on roon muse worth it tho?

[wet prairie]

No

[crimson glacier]

not even close to worth

[tame orchid]

Ah

[steady beacon]

Not unless you have a mountain of it/have everything else important

[atomic abyss]

Nahhh
Collection % I guess?

[normal crane]

What kind of ships mob fleet should have?

Slap unicorn then we good. got it

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content but uni is present in all mob fleets

[normal crane]

For facing chap 12

Idk if i can still use 1 fleet to 3* it

[tacit sail]

I've completed all the 'rookie' missions but the tab is still there

Is there anything hidden that I'm missing?

[cobalt rapids]

if u reached 12 then its def time to build a second fleet

idr when it goes away mby after daily reset or relog

[normal crane]

Probably the shipyard mission on bottom right

[tacit sail]

Do you mean the missions that give you UR blueprints? If so, I have completed all of those

[normal crane]

It gives you the exp mats for shipyard mission

[still gate]

so maintenance is going to happen tomorrow right? will new event appear? and when event with ur ships will start? may 30?

[cobalt rapids]

tomorrow we get CTA, stream on friday, event drops on 23rd most likely

[blazing shale]

Archer/Albacore/Flasher > Wolfpack?

[south sequoia]

Yep

[still gate]

i see

[vale spindle]

similar enough that if you have one built dont build the other

if you have neither then fishpack is better mainly cause its more versatile and therefore future proof

[smoky palm]

Soooo like.. why rainbow quints or gold quads? whats wrong with gold quints?..

[cobalt rapids]

slow and less dmg per torp

[south sequoia]

unlikely to hit every torp to make up for less damage than quad

rainbow quint fixes the issue but its expensive and slow, also per trp has literally the same damage as a gold quad.

rainbow quints are more for show/luxury, just slap gold quads and you're fine

[cobalt rapids]

they also cost 240 more plates to +13

[south sequoia]

if only we had a rainbow quad, cough devs cough

[tame jungle]

You gotta have a PR3 ship for the PR3 rookie missions, correct? Plan is to develop Cheshire first (since i'm still yet to clear ch13 oopsie :3), but i'm wondering what you guys think. Currently i'm at the same amount of bps for all season 3 ships (that being 0).

[steady beacon]

Yes to the first question
I would probably also go Cheshire first, but this is (1) because I like her and (2) because Guam and Laffey can't be everywhere
There are probably reasonable arguments for any of the others, though

[atomic abyss]

I would too choose Cheshire

Cheaper to invest than drake at least

[tame jungle]

i also do not have any URs besides kronshtadt btw, and i do have sandyR and isuzuR

[steady beacon]

You probably don't want to take Isuzu to W15 unless you are deadass desperate tbh

[tame jungle]

so i was wondering if cheshire would still provide extra value for me

[midnight bluff]

When playing through OpSi story, is it advised to continue even though you are capped on meta coordinates for the day or just wait for tomorrow?

[steady beacon]

So Cheshire it is

[tame jungle]

you get meta coords really easily so yeah go ahead

[midnight bluff]

ok ty

[tame jungle]

also thanks for the advice guys

[atomic abyss]

Odin is effectively discount Rupert
Champagne is discount Flandre
Mainz now falls behind Emden, Harbin, Scylla, Ply
And Drake is drake

[tame jungle]

so PR3 is bargain bin ships for the same price nowadays?

[atomic abyss]

Cheshire is basically the only one that sees use in the current metagame

[atomic abyss]

I mean that goes for a lot of the older series really...

[steady beacon]

Ngl, a guild mate slogged all the way to Drake FS5 shortly after it came out...
Two months later, Plymouth dropped...
I feel kinda bad for him ngl

[atomic abyss]

Hell, monarch is now discount Hood with a heal

[tame jungle]

is hood augment that good??

[atomic abyss]

100% proc rate fam

[steady beacon]

100% barrage is a hell of a drug

100% plus gigantic area, gigantic damage

[atomic abyss]

That and doubled modifiers towards light armour

[tame jungle]

sheesh

[novel condor]

Odin not good anymore?

[atomic abyss]

I mean, see what made Odin good was sitting up in front

[steady beacon]

We take it for granted these days but... in the past... 100% proc barrages basically did not exist
And even these days for the most part it's a perk of being UR
So for such an early game and easily accessible ship to have a 100% proc barrage is huge

[novel condor]

just been getting her up to FS5

[atomic abyss]

I mean I have her at FS5 too

[tame jungle]

might have to just get that augment then

[atomic abyss]

And because of that positioning
Her ghost secondaries were able to snipe production ships

[void turret]

are there any rare ships that are worth keeping? I do not have enough dock space

[atomic abyss]

Yeah she has no secondaries otherwise
She has a torp slot instead

[void turret]

i already have portland MLB+retrofit

[atomic abyss]

I think I made a list recently

[void turret]

can i have the link?

[steady beacon]

#gameplay-help message

[atomic abyss]

Ranger (w/ retro), Casablanca, Phoenix, Isuzu (w/ retro), Juneau (w/ retro), Kagerou (w/ retro + aug), shouhou (w/ retro)
Gdi^

[steady beacon]

(This is assuming you don't, at least currently, care about tech bc a lot of rares give good tech)

[atomic abyss]

Yeah

[void turret]

only ones worth keeping?

[atomic abyss]

^
Yeah those are the only actually good ones

[atomic abyss]

Odin's main advantage over Rupert is that she always maintains this position, flag or off flag

[steady beacon]

Mhm
And it has fun applications in W14, for example

Empty top spot utility

[atomic abyss]

Rupert on the other hand doesn't have this ability to sit in front

What she does have are hyper buffed secondaries

Hyper buffed secondaries that can heal and proc barrages

And even buff the ship if fired enough times

[novel condor]

Huh she has good sec?

[steady beacon]

Basically she never stops firing them

[atomic abyss]

You talking about Odin or Rupert

[silver lintel]

Who has more dmg owari or flandre

[atomic abyss]

The answer is
It depends
Preloads are finicky to calc dps with

[steady beacon]

Currently trying to figure this out, actually
If no one can give you an answer, I'll let you know once I've tested it...

[atomic abyss]

Because preloads always have the advantage of ending battles early

But from an individual shot per shot perspective...

Owari should win on the latter

[steady beacon]

(I better preface by saying that my measurement will be two rotations vs Arbiter before getting in trouble lol)

Well, three rotations for Flan

[normal crane]

How to make mob and boss fleet, thank you in advance

[atomic abyss]

For what content

[normal crane]

World 12

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you're gonna ask "what stuff to level"

Cos you definitely can't form a second fleet at the moment

[steady beacon]

Probably the fleetbuilding guide would be a good read: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding
Apart from that many ways to skin the cat

[atomic abyss]

What did meowfficers ever do to you

[normal crane]

I read it a couple of times already

[cobalt rapids]

hood uni volga - portland nubian jun
nj vanny enty - heinrich helena z23
but ure lacking in gold bulins so mby just focus on pr grinding for nwo

[steady beacon]

It's not about Meowfficers lol
It's always been about Akashi

[atomic abyss]

That vanny is MLB right
Then yes

[cobalt rapids]

yea

[pine crystal]

Best way to contact AL wiki if something is missing?

[atomic abyss]

It's high time to grab independence tho

[steady beacon]

#wiki-feedback

[cobalt rapids]

#wiki-feedback or their disc server

[normal crane]

Thanks for the input, I'll just unga bunga w12 with one fleet

[atomic abyss]

I mean...

[pine crystal]

Ah right forgot that channel existed cause discord hides random channels from me

[steady beacon]

If you've already done W11, you can level stuff in oilcapped W11 to make that second fleet

[normal crane]

I'm done with it yah, currently farming exp to get Anchorage

[ocean island]

Should main fleet always be 2 BB or BC and 1 CV or CCV? Can 3 BB, BC main fleet be any good?

[steady beacon]

Although, granted, the real gate is the gold bulins

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content as always

[atomic abyss]

Generally 1 BB 2 CV is the way we go for average mobbing content
3 BB fleets are usually specific boss fleets
Same with 3 CV

[void turret]

how do I get more snacks without burning oil

[ocean island]

Ok, thanks

[cobalt rapids]

you can just ignore snacks

im not advocating for shipgirl starvation but

[void turret]

yeah but 25% exp gain

[warm flax]

Is Indep the best cv dps mobber even against URs

[steady beacon]

Just privation

[atomic abyss]

There is an argument to be made that Uni is a dps too at this point...
But yes Indep because of the other benefits she brings too

Like crossfleet

[strong tartan]

should I put my breguet on uni or Indep

[steady beacon]

Tbh after you get past a certain point in the game, you will have enough food to basically never run out...
Like you may not be able to put the premium stuff on the table, but there'll be food

[normal crane]

So should I buy independence or something

[atomic abyss]

Yes, absolutely

[cobalt rapids]

wyvern indep breguet uni if having to choose

[atomic abyss]

She's like the highest priority from core shop after the 2 shells

[strong tartan]

problem is I'm lacking a wyvern, should I just put it on indep instead

[cobalt rapids]

indep tb slot is stronger

so she gets the better tb from what u got

[ocean island]

Btw, one more question, some ships (like Queen Elizabeth) give really good bonuses on all stats but only for one nation, is it worth to concentrate only on one nation but with good buffs for every ship in fleet or the better option will be creating fleet with the best (and rarest) ships you got?

[cobalt rapids]

mixed fleets will always be stronger than faction fleets

due to per faction role coverage limitation and having to use subpar options for that respective role to maintain factions makes faction fleeting just a handicap
albeit a fun one

but that doesnt mean using rarest ships you got good either
you should always just check whats required from the content ure trying to tackle and match the roles needed with the best ships you got in your dock

[steady beacon]

Seconding the fun
But if you're just progressing/clearing stuff for the first time, you generally want to make your life easier, not harder

And also remember that a good buff on a lesser ship may still work out to less than no buff on a better ship

[warm flax]

What's t3 ordinance priority?

[ocean island]

Ok, got it

[cobalt rapids]

2 457 > save

[whole crypt]

just play until you don't need to prioritize
none of the ordnance gear is really needed anyway

[warm flax]

This fake?

[whole crypt]

it's like a 1 time clear reward

in case you're thinking whether you can farm it

[warm flax]

Ohh

[half plover]

after you guys buy out gold bulins + the SR ships from medal shop do you usually safe for next month or spend it on other things

[cobalt rapids]

spend but depends on ur monthly medal income

[whole crypt]

depends on what you need and how much you grind

[half plover]

I already got 200 spare medals and I am really considering the epic bulins to start mlbing some construction ships

but at the same time I dont really need it lmao

[whole crypt]

I personally buy books and dorm food but that's just me

200 medals isn't a lot though

[steady beacon]

Same
But that's something you do when you already have more than enough medals

[half plover]

the only thing I really need is golden retro battleships for FdG unlock, but that is just 100 medals and super expensive

[whole crypt]

it's not worth the medals yeh

[half plover]

and it isnt recommended in shop prio ofc

[steady beacon]

Ye retro prints in the medal shop are...
Ridiculously priced
Avoid unless utterly desperate (AND you have medals to throw around, a combination that basically never goes together)

[half plover]

but dorm food sounds at least reasonable

[whole crypt]

it doesn't look like you're coming up with a lot of spare medals so saving them for next month is probably fine

[half plover]

since I buy it sometimes with oil

[whole crypt]

you only buy dorm food with oil if you can't spend it in time

if you can spend the oil you're better off just grinding

also if you haven't already buying spec cores could be an option if you're still behind on UR bulins

[half plover]

I didnt buy them yet

but I saw somewhere there is a monthly limit to it, I never reached it but I am not sure if that would count towards it

[steady beacon]

Nope, medal shop cores do not count towards the monthly limit

[whole crypt]

medal shop spec cores don't count to monthly

[half plover]

ooh so that's actually high prio

[steady beacon]

Or, in another way, they effectively increase the monthly limit to 6000

[half plover]

for me with no bulins

also I got atlanta and she said she is an anti air cruiser

[tame jungle]

not worth it

[half plover]

so I was wondering if there are specific types of ships especially good against planes

[steady beacon]

Yes
Her sister, Sandy, for one

Her other sister, Juneau, if you need a poverty option

[half plover]

oh

these 1k protocores are half a san diego retrofit

why didnt I even see it in shop before 😭

[steady beacon]

Basic things to look out for to identify good AA ships are

1. High AA stat
2. Skills that boost their own AA/others' AA
3. High AA gun slot efficiencies
   Then there are the reasonably rare extra things like ghost AA guns (a la Laffey or Shimanto) or increased number of AA gun mounts (Guam, Cheshire, Isuzu, etc.)
   The full picture is vastly more complicated, I should point out, though

[half plover]

thanks a lot

I will consider raising juneau until I got enough spare bulins for san diego if I want to build her

[steady beacon]

I will always rec Juneau as a worthy raise simply because, if all else fails, she will always be usable in PvP
And even if you don't do it too seriously, PvP is worth at least doing for the gold bulins

[half plover]

yeah tbh I kinda like pvp so I want to build a good team for it at some point

btw how do some random ships like zeppy dont give tech

[atomic abyss]

Hey San Juan is fine for AA too

But in all seriousness, yeah stick to Juneau

[half plover]

I thought it is just muse ships and little version ships

[atomic abyss]

Zeppy is a little ship tho

[half plover]

oh but it doesnt say Little Zeppy

😭

[tame jungle]

she is very little though

[atomic abyss]

Because the localisers were creative for once

[steady beacon]

Ye the naming convention in English is kinda all over the place lol

[atomic abyss]

And decided not to stick with just little for once

[half plover]

ooh wait, zeppy is actually little graf zeppelin?

[cobalt rapids]

its not consistent

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[half plover]

wow.. well she is my only MLB ship then that doesnt give tech lmao

[atomic abyss]

The justification is that only the smol JP ships get chan

[steady beacon]

It's like... -chan for the IJNs, Little for the Brits, then
The rest can have "Little" but sometimes it's a free-for-all

[atomic abyss]

I mean Little Zeppelin sounds more like a rock band

[half plover]

Little Zep

[atomic abyss]

Belette was weird tho

[steady beacon]

Lol
Tbf I could never read "Bel-chan" right because my brain autocorrects it to "belachan" and then I

[sharp socket]

looking at tier list site for gear, do events with UR gear happen rarely

[atomic abyss]

Less often than the URs themselves

[sharp socket]

aw man

[half plover]

someone was mentioning that it is not just ships from the pr4, also gear that are a reason why just going pr4 would be a bad idea

what does that mean? if I got that correctly

[strong tartan]

with the exception of like two all UR events so far have had at least a gear

wait nevermind Shinano did come with gear it just wasnt in shop

[sharp socket]

are the 2 events soyuz and kron

[strong tartan]

no uvh

[sharp socket]

cause i didnt see UR gear on those

[crimson glacier]

and shinano event gear was just for kashino

[sharp socket]

unless i was exceptionally blind

[steady beacon]

Not a bad idea, but a good idea
PR4's ships and gear are all good
For which reason it's recommended you do it first

[strong tartan]

should I even count the shiden Kai 2

[strong tartan]

no ur gear but they did come with gear

[steady beacon]

Well, maybe except like... Marco gun probably...
That isn't quite on the same level as the others...
Also arguably Marco herself

[sharp socket]

so throughout my pr4 journey i now have 3 90mm high angle AA gun can i slap these on someone

i put one on anchorage

[cobalt rapids]

do you mean a good idea ? goes pr4 is the best season to start with due to ships and gear

[strong tartan]

it's a slight upgrade over the quad bofors

[half plover]

I think I messed up and had AvP in my catchup instead of anchorage

[sharp socket]

should i swap portland out for takao on my boss

[south sequoia]

No

[strong tartan]

no

[atomic abyss]

No absolutely not

[sharp socket]

so portland is better

though tierlist ranks her lower than takao

[steady beacon]

AvP is a fine ship, mind you
Just that you usually want to finish Anchorage first
You could've spent all the catchup on Marco instead

[cobalt rapids]

tako not worth the cost for being a slight upgrade to port

[south sequoia]

the tierlist only really assumes with augment

[half plover]

would it make sense to still swap to anchorage if I am already at 84/300?

[south sequoia]

and even then it's only a slight upgrade over portland

[sharp socket]

i have takao 115 and portland 120

[steady beacon]

Absolutely

[south sequoia]

the answer is still no

[sharp socket]

both max skills except the indy one on portland

[steady beacon]

Remainder still covers the majority of Anchorage's req for Dev 30

[half plover]

oh that's great

[south sequoia]

if takao is 120 already then yeah Ig go ahead and swap them around

[sharp socket]

takao has enough xp for 120

im just lazy

[cobalt rapids]

if u can afford her aug but theres better stuff to spend coins on imo

[sharp socket]

im saving coins cuz i heard UR soon

[half plover]

I feel like I have to spend 60k for FdG when the event drops lmao

I should also really save up

[sharp socket]

is fdg the one called friedrice der grobe

[strong tartan]

friedrich der grosse

[sharp socket]

ah close enough

[steady beacon]

Ye, the b-looking letter is the long "s"

[strong tartan]

friedrice

it's a Germanic letter for a double s

[sharp socket]

i gotta start farming the chessboard man

[half plover]

what you can do is unlock the last stage already and wait until the next UR event is done

[sharp socket]

i dont need to 3* the stages right

[half plover]

yeah it doesnt do anything

[sharp socket]

alr cool

[half plover]

also try to run like unicorn laffey only if you can

[sharp socket]

are there any german ships i should get from like the guild shop

[half plover]

to save oil since it could eat up all your oil

[half plover]

admiral hipper is the one you should get

[strong tartan]

I mean you'll only be needing them for tech points

[sharp socket]

alright ill get the hippie

[half plover]

also bismarck and tripitz from the golden selections

if you have enough bulins

[sharp socket]

i guess i do

but do i make tech first or MLB volga

[half plover]

you will need main fleet IB ships to get the exp grind later

[sharp socket]

i might not used volga so soon tho

im only on w12

[half plover]

if you plan on raising bismarck/tripitz for tech and exp anyway

you can run them until you are done with FdG and then work on volga

[sharp socket]

so bismarck or tirpitz

[half plover]

my volga is lvl 115 and she is sitting in my dock, bc I have other ships that I can level rn

[sharp socket]

from medal shop

[half plover]

I think bismarck is the better ship in general but she wants other IB ships in the main fleet to work well iirc

[atomic abyss]

I'd say bisko

[sharp socket]

alr

[atomic abyss]

Waaaaait

We choosing medal shop ships here?

This assumes you alr got Hood tho

[strong tartan]

for IB tech

[sharp socket]

yes
i have hood

[atomic abyss]

If you got hood then yeah I guess by all means

[half plover]

I mean my hood is sitting in my dock as well rn 😭

[turbid dawn]

@steady beacon Able to consistently 1 shot now without the barrage so thanks, we got there

[half plover]

so surviving a month without hood might not hurt that much

[sharp socket]

so ill get bismarck

[half plover]

since hood is usually your mob fleet BB, bismarck would directly take her spot

[strong tartan]

no keep hood

[sharp socket]

its just for tech anyway though i might use in the future

[strong tartan]

keep hood as your mob bb

[half plover]

even for FdG grind?

[strong tartan]

oh for fdg grind

[sharp socket]

...soo i get tirpitz?

[half plover]

yeah just for fdg

[strong tartan]

get bismarck

she's the better one of the two not like that's saying much but

[atomic abyss]

Bismarck can at least use her skills...

[sharp socket]

alright im getting bismarck

[steady beacon]

Nice work, mate, congratulations

[atomic abyss]

Tirpitz can't even use her main skill with other BBs unless she has her augment

[strong tartan]

how long ago was Aquila rerun

[steady beacon]

Uhhhhhh

[strong tartan]

last year?

[sharp socket]

also what do i buy with protocore

[half plover]

I am so happy I got peter strasser from construction before

so I didnt have to get triptiz

[steady beacon]

March of last year

[strong tartan]

oh okay

so perma maybe next year?

[atomic abyss]

Pr3 equipment blueprints

[fresh tangle]

Plenty of t2/3 cruiser retrofit prints but struggling to get my last two for Portland 😂

[atomic abyss]

/protocore

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[fresh tangle]

T1*

[steady beacon]

Hard to say bc NJ already got perma... but I'd say next year is pessimistic... should be sometime this year...

And if I'm wrong, Yuki will exile me

[sharp socket]

yay almost done prefarming cruiser t3 retro prints for sandy, so that they can sit there until the end of time cause w15 will take forever to get to and do

[strong tartan]

okay okay

[short matrix]

how good is the new prototype spearfish in the gear lab?

[cobalt rapids]

for the rich only

[late flame]

you mean i can whale for gold plates?

[cobalt rapids]

you can whale cruise pass for extra 24 gold plates / 2 months

[eternal basalt]

400 chips too, p2w azur lane

[late flame]

only bought for skin and uh bulin

[upper jay]

Every time I run my lovely 5 oil fleet in 6.1 , whenever the boss spawns at a bad location and my fleet have to do a extra battle, it will die at the boss cuz no support…:/
(Need to run it for the purple parts)

[plain saffron]

i would go low cost events instead tbh

[half plover]

does that mean we want to raise 1-2 ships from these ships and use them later in the event? the only one I got is helena

[steady beacon]

You don't have to, no

[undone plover]

the missions are only needed if u want the frame*. and u can skip all of them if u manage to pull the UR and MLB the rest of the event ships

[steady beacon]

The points for obtaining the frame can be obtained by
Obtaining the UR
And MLBing the other event ships
(usually)

Sniped again

[urban grail]

another option is to get every unit from the event and mlb them all

but portrait is whatever, and you can get them again when rerun comes

[undone plover]

check this out as a reference
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Call_to_Arms:_Antarctica
although i think this might be the first time we have 5 ships in the CtA

[half plover]

oh so I will 100% go for the UR

so I can skip raising queen elizabeth

[steady beacon]

There are a handful of people I know who like... try to use the Call to Arms to slightly speed up PR grinds sometimes, and I guess some take the opportunity to raise the experience-up ships if they're good and the opportunity like this presents itself (I did with Avrora during Kron's event, for instance)
But you are not obliged to do so, no

[plain saffron]

MLB all event ships(just obtain for UR) is exactly the points needed to get the frame

[half plover]

nice

[plain saffron]

so the others to help you if you miss a ship, or 2 i guess

[eternal basalt]

They havee been fdoing it for awhile, mostly one META you know doesn't need to be used after

[steady beacon]

Not the first time, but it has become a bit more common lately
Funny thing is even if there are 5 ships experience up, sometimes only 4 of them actually count to points lol

[half plover]

I mean I could probably just run helena to obtain the rest

but thanks for telling me so I will save bulins to build all event ships

[keen sable]

Or if you're not ready to MLB all of them yet

[undone plover]

see i kinda knew i was wrong but was too lazy to check

[steady beacon]

Oh and the worst one was uh
Parallel Superimposition's CtA... 6 ships with experience up, only 4 can contribute points

[keen sable]

I think was a six ship one once. Some were metas?

[steady beacon]

Yep, PS was Memphis, Helena, Vestal, Anchorage, Memphis META, and Helena META
But the two METAs could not contribute chat frame points

[eternal basalt]

Now all have meta's

[tame orchid]

So anything i should buy with decor coins, i finish expanding

[gusty olive]

What if you already have one of those max leveled?

[keen sable]

⚓😡 is meta

[plain saffron]

i'm a collector so i will keep and buy event dorm

[plain saffron]

then nothing, just use them in event if needed

[tame orchid]

Huh

So i can do whatever?

[plain saffron]

you can min max and check individual category and buy most comfort one if you want

[gusty olive]

Time to do not so event accurate stages with the 2 QE's lol

[tame orchid]

Do themes provide comfort?

I cant spend gems

[undone plover]

events have limited furniture sets. usually cost around ~1500 coins.
get those if u care about collection

[plain saffron]

but just buying anything, and eventually everything is doable
nope, no full theme bonus

[jaunty vault]

no, the furniture in them does

[tame orchid]

Ah

[whole crypt]

sup

[plain saffron]

pus

[jaunty vault]

no

[jaunty vault]

hi

[plain saffron]

also

[blissful hamlet]

who's the yellow ship on the patchnotes

[plain saffron]

most likely a NPC

[blissful hamlet]

[plain saffron]

nobody really know currently

[whole crypt]

that's "Miss D", we know nothing else for now

[jaunty vault]

shes D

[warm flax]

Is there a point going past 300

[jaunty vault]

one piece reference frfr

[jaunty vault]

free exp is free exp

[steady beacon]

In fairness, we know she is some kind of friend of QE META
And something about "whale hunting"
Feel free to figure out what that means, if you'd like

[whole crypt]

by "figure out" you mean wild, unbased extrapolation

[blissful hamlet]

whale

[inner delta]

ill hunt you instead of whale

[eternal basalt]

Akashi is in danger

[late flame]

lock miss d behind paywall and watch the folks riot

[inner delta]

can't watch because ill mute the riot

[eternal basalt]

Like Anson?

[late flame]

*nothing happened on 23rd march

[steady beacon]

waves hand This isn't the Anson you're looking for

[whole crypt]

#al-general

[icy mountain]

now that i got roon is she better than portland in mobbing once shes maxed out?

[whole crypt]

not by enough, depending what on what you're after

[icy mountain]

hmm, world 12?

[whole crypt]

Portland works fine for 12 though

[icy mountain]

im planning on transferring portland to a boss fleet

[south sequoia]

Roon isn't much on a improvement especially considering her costs

[whole crypt]

then yeh Roon can tank your mob fleet fine

[icy mountain]

thanks 👍

[sinful elk]

Should i awake portland to lvl 120

[steady beacon]

If you're gonna keep using her for clearing, sure
Plus she's cheap, as a base rare

[icy mountain]

btw, is beaver squad aux better on a mob fleet or a boss fleet?

[sinful elk]

Hmmm she works fine with w11 w12 and w13 right

[steady beacon]

Beaver better on boss, generally
And yes she can work 11/12... and you can even bring her to 13, if you'd like 👀

[sinful elk]

[late flame]

i did try portland in w13 but she's lv120 and sortied with some of my best cvs + sandy lol

[sinful elk]

Also sandy retro is a must need or is there other options

[steady beacon]

There are always other options

[late flame]

there are cheaper options definitely

[sinful elk]

Like?

[late flame]

juneau iirc
then there is laff2 shimanto guam

[steady beacon]

In W13 and ultra-poverty, you can fall back on Isuzu for example...
Retrofitted Juneau is another good option

[sinful elk]

Who is Juneau

[steady beacon]

And yes, if you want to go into the complete other end of the spectrum and go ham, there are the high-end options like the three Nomis mentioned, Cheshire, and others...

[novel solstice]

Cheshire also works well as your AA in w13.

[steady beacon]

/wiki Juneau

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Juneau
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Juneau/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Juneau/Gallery

May 15, 2024, 12:45 PM

[steady beacon]

The once Lord and Saviour of PvP, who died for your sins...
But after her retro she gained an interesting PvE gig as your budget AA option

[sinful elk]

Hmm i would take her too.. sandy is quiet expensive for my current state

[steady beacon]

Mfw still using Yakuza variants
And yep, Sandy is good but eye-wateringly expensive, unfortunately...

[smoky palm]

what auxilaries do you all use for your subs?

[steady beacon]

Pressure Hull + Snorkel or Oxytorp, according to her oxygen capacity

(You can use Snorkel + Oxytorp in some cases, but... the details are somewhat more complex than I can convey in brief)

[smoky palm]

can you use two oxytorps?

like whats generally the best combo between snorkel , pressure hull and oxy torp if I just wanna copy paste the same onto U-37, U-81 and U-96

[late flame]

just use snorkel+hull

[silver lintel]

Nothing compares with sandy fleet aa boost though

[steady beacon]

Two oxytorps is a uh... VERY risky proposition...
Short and sweet, I would recommend you never think of it again tbh lol
For your three it'd be
U-81/U-96: Hull + Snorkel
U-37: Hull + Oxytorp (IF you can meet the necessary RLD breakpoint, else just carry Hull + Snorkel)
These all assuming Bidders

[molten plover]

What is the best way to farm pr xp?

[smoky palm]

Also.. is Kearsarge usable before Dev 30? have her at Dev 16 rn.. only started playing in late Jan..

[novel solstice]

Run stuff you were going to run anyway, but with three ships that count for whatever pr you are farming for.
So when the event starts next week, just do your event grind with relevant ships. Or if you want to do it right now, level some ships that give useful fleet tech and are from the right faction in world 12. That way you're doing something useful while you get the pr xp.

[whole crypt]

use 3 ships that fit the reqs and just keep grinding, preferably at least ch9 and ch12 if you have access

[paper mural]

I recently got my third Ply gun. First two went to Plymouth and Mintsuu, wanted to get some thoughts on who I'd be best off giving the third to. I can't think of anyone in particular so I just gave it to Helena

[molten plover]

Thank you both

[steady beacon]

IF you are using her primarily in a buffing role for a VERY strong backline, then you can start making use of her from Dev 25
Otherwise, no

[smoky palm]

sooon bois.. sooon

[whole crypt]

but you could just use a vanguard ARA and use a third carrier

[flat garnet]

As a newbie, how to increase my coin income?. I'm planning to pull for the ur this event(I'm hoarding cubes as much as possible) but I don't have to many coins and I don't know how to increase them since I cant even claim on merchant. I need like 150000 and I only have 38000 rn

[whole crypt]

you don't need to have 150k off the bat, you can continue to grind for more across the event
what's your current campaign progress

[steady beacon]

Well, I'm just saying that some of us used her at that dev level early on and saw no appreciable difference from using vanguard ARA and a third carrier
So to say that she's worse at that level is simply incorrect

[whole crypt]

I started using her from d20

[flat garnet]

Stage 6 I think.. I am gated again by level so I am currently auto battling to reach level 40

[whole crypt]

then just keep pushing so you have some footing to get into D maps for the event

[flat garnet]

So just a question will I have consistent income if I push for higher levels?

[steady beacon]

Also, ARA sitting peachy in the backline instead of in hell in the frontline, plus the freed slot for the vanguard is pretty impactful
But again, who you're buffing needs to be strong to compensate for the missing gun mount and her consequently lower personal damage

[gusty olive]

What's ARA?

[wraith monolith]

Hakuryuu at dev 24 good enough to use?

[steady beacon]

Short answer yes
Once you're in W11/W12 with oil cap and clearing rewards, you will be able to keep a pretty consistent coin level assuming you are reasonable in your coin expenditure and don't run out of oil

ARA = Air Raid Assistance, a skill possessed by a handful of ships (not always under that name) that gives a +15% DMG dealt to your CV/CVLs
Hakuryuu, sadly, as a damage dealer does really need Dev 30... I did start using her against Renown META iirc at like Dev 28 or something but to say that you are missing a lot of damage before Dev 30 is a drastic understatement

[wraith monolith]

Then, Imma leveling her first

[whole crypt]

you want at least ch9 for coin cap for bonus coins, but that's not realisitc for your current level, but if you push your ship levels enough event D maps will have oil cap

[viscid swift]

No

[viscid swift]

Blogging goes to #al-general

[wraith monolith]

206 BPs to go

[cobalt rapids]

wdym drastic understatement

[fleet igloo]

would anchorage or plymouth be more effective in first position for an HE fleet? (poikai in the middle) I haven't used Plymouth much and ive forgotten her strengths compared to anchorage

[cobalt rapids]

anchorage is tankier, no idea what an HE fleet is

[fleet igloo]

High Explosive damage with HE ammo guns, more effective against light and medium armour enemies

[gusty olive]

Just change guns when the situation requires you?

[fleet igloo]

Its for opsi, my fleets are set up for an aircraft fleet, HE fleet, AP fleet, and mob fleet

its been a while since i've played so maybe the metas changed but that was about standard when I started opsi

[blissful hamlet]

Plymouth better in BB fleet

[viscid swift]

As far as BB guns go a good AP gun is better than the best HE guns against medium armor

[steady beacon]

Uhhhh... clarify the question...?
Like, are you trying to ask how much the damage difference is, or...?

[cobalt rapids]

how much the damage difference from d25 haku to d30 haku is

[steady beacon]

I wish I had saved screens from aforesaid Renown runs...
Unless I have some in Disc somewhere...
Jeez...

[frank pulsar]

is the ship in the call to arms new or old?

[cobalt rapids]

what ship

[steady beacon]

Oh, they exist...
OK, Haku pre-Dev 30 in screen 1
Haku, the next generation in screen 2
And heck, for flex, Haku the final frontier in screen 3

[frank pulsar]

the yellow and black one in #game-news

[cobalt rapids]

new

but pre d30 haku has no helena in comp

u stacked way better buffers this doesnt rly tell me much

[steady beacon]

Oh Christ, I completely forgot the kind of BS I was forced to use back then...

Ugh, OK, I am frankly out of data then, unless you have a time machine for me...

[cobalt rapids]

i dont but all i got is +5% eff on haku from d25->d30 and tech but i assume non existent cv tech for players who are still deving haku

[steady beacon]

Yes, I will definitely agree with the tech bit...
Haku pre-Dev 30 is slow
But if you extrapolate from the fact screen 1 has no Helena, scale the rest down, I get why you question "drastic understatement" in terms of damage potential
Reason to suspect it isn't as bad as that

[fringe burrow]

How many gems are in memento?

[steady beacon]

I guess I would say instead, "Dev 30 is great... but you can make do with less..."

[dense bramble]

Why is she five stars to start retrofitting her?

[viscid swift]

well I would also counter and say someone who doesn't have a Dev 30 haku probably doesn't have much in the way of reload tech anyway

[viscid swift]

ask the devs

[viscid swift]

800

[steady beacon]

Evidently I'm weird then

[worldly pewter]

i have dev 24 haku use me as a rat lab

[steady beacon]

Hmmmmmm... I'm interested
You do need Dev 25 first though for full planes...
Also you need the planes
But it may be worth examining
Just how much Dev 30 is really worth on her...

[sullen creek]

On the 3rd endscreen which strength is that

[steady beacon]

February Strength with bugged shield

(Otherwise that endscreen score is completely impossible)

[sullen creek]

Ye I was gonna say that

[worldly pewter]

tell me what to do i will prepare everything

[covert orbit]

Slaimuda update tier list event muse sir?

[cobalt rapids]

this isnt ectl server

[exotic wren]

The largest pain in non d30 Haku is syncing tho imo

[inland shoal]

Man old numbers sure were more readable

[exotic wren]

i can confirm, I used d25 Haku for an uncomfortably long time

[steady beacon]

Yep, definitely
Only able to get that first one to work because manual (I mean, they were all manual, but trying to sync was only possible in that first one with manual)

[exotic wren]

I mean I managed to sync Haku somehow with nano and implac tho she kinda lags behind in DpS since no Tenrai or she's a snail

i got scolded a lot here for it tho

[steady beacon]

Well, do what you gotta do...
If you can beat it, whatever gymnastics you gotta do to pull it off, that's what matters in the end...

[open agate]

what up about Bulin?

description states something about their main purpose is like to upgrade other ships?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[steady beacon]

Yep
You use them as substitutes for dupes in order to limit break your ships

[exotic wren]

or flex limited skins

[open agate]

Is it valid or a good tactic for me to use Bulin on combat?

[viscid swift]

No

They're garbage for combat

[open agate]

New player btw my other ships are at lv 25 and Bulin is like lv 20
Also how about Prototype Bulin? cuz I think they replicate themselves?

[cobalt rapids]

no bulin is good for combat irrespective of rarity

[viscid swift]

Also might wanna give that a read
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[void turret]

yes but shadow clone jutsu is funny

[still gate]

nelson is better than pennsylvania right?

[cobalt rapids]

much better on retro

[solid harness]

I asked this earlier and completely forgot to check but what equipment is coming from this next event? Is it relevant at all?

[cobalt rapids]

we dont know

[viscid swift]

Considering the patch hasn't even dropped yet

[eternal basalt]

You learn 17th... potentially (CN rushes streams)

[steady beacon]

Check back tomorrow
All we currently know is that it's called "Enigmata 'D'" in EN

Oh, are they not referring to the aux?

[keen sable]

Sounds like an enigma

[eternal basalt]

Oh, then wait till cn gets the patch

[crystal kestrel]

what's the difference between AL JP and EN? asking for a friend

[solid harness]

Oh I thought it was a rerun event

[worldly pewter]

is this the anni patch or pre anni patch ?

[rocky fjord]

are WAs still desynced?

[eternal basalt]

Language

[viscid swift]

Practically speaking nothing

[eternal basalt]

Pre

[viscid swift]

All 3 servers are caught up in terms of new events, the sole difference is one small war archive that's not on EN yet

[worldly pewter]

so we should be having another one just before the anni event ?

[eternal basalt]

Thursday, and Tuesday is event

[steady beacon]

JP maintenance finishes a few hours before ours, normally
Ergo you can start earlier
Also... because of the desync between their maintenance times and reset times, they get one extra day for stuff like daily build tickets for reruns...

[worldly pewter]

u first get shit on in this channel because u are trying to learn terms both in english and japanese

speaking from a personal experience

[glossy forum]

should i mlb laffey II, guam, shinano, soyuz or kronsh first? my current ur mlbs are unzen and shima

[viscid swift]

None for now

Wait until after the CN Anni event drops then decide

[keen sable]

How many bulins can you produce total?

8+ if you are tryhard

[eternal basalt]

Shinano can by copies from perma, so her last

[distant saffron]

how do you scrap special items?

nvm just got it

[cobalt rapids]

augments? you feed em to other ones

[silver lintel]

Best campaign map to lvl sub?

[eager mulch]

auto call subs and grind normally

[silver lintel]

Do i need to move sub

[eager mulch]

you could but that requires manually moving them

[silver lintel]

Without moving sub i can only call them in 3-4 battles

[whole crypt]

you only need to use subs for as much as it takes to raise their affinity anyway, besides that it's easier to dorm/XP pack

[whole crypt]

not like that matters, just keep doing it, you'll be done with your subs before your surface ships anyway

[dawn crest]

Who should I MLB next?

[whole crypt]

none of them wait for CN anniversary

[dawn crest]

why?

[whole crypt]

because the new UR might have higher priority than what you have now

[dawn crest]

i got

[jaunty vault]

kinda depends on how much spec core you have

[eager mulch]

no spec core

[jaunty vault]

[sullen creek]

You can mlb Agir and Kearsarge

[glossy forum]

i currently have a copy of guam and kronsh, 2 bulins and i can buy 4 more and 1 from cruise pass

[steel imp]

so uh for beginner do i save my cubes for anniv or what

[whole crypt]

anything you have dupes for use dupes first

you'll get one more bulin from milestone in event so you can afford to spend up to whatever excess including that I guess

[whole crypt]

do 1 daily in light for the mission, since it's net 0 anyway, but don't build any more and don't build in heavy/special

[echo axle]

Which World bosses will Yuudachi drop at

[whole crypt]

6-4

[echo axle]

Are you fr? Bro, I've been farming w10 in hopes of her 💀

[whole crypt]

I have no idea why you're in ch10 for her

[echo axle]

I'm trying to farm exp for FdG and in hopes Yuu will appear

[whole crypt]

all drop SRs only drop in 1 map and 1 map only

and only on boss

[rich echo]

Probably not enough info but should I prioritize kear or hindy more? Completed PR4/5 already

[steady beacon]

My usual criterion (which, in fairness, doesn't take every possibility into account) is: do you have Yorktown II? If you do, I'd be inclined to prioritise Kear more; otherwise, Hindenburg.

[frank pulsar]

hindy is just flexible dps vanguard, kear kinda stuck in bossing comps
so it just boils down to what you think you need more imho, since in the end youll be getting both

[whole crypt]

I'd take Hindenburg first unless you fancy building Kearsarge/Yorktown II fleet

wha?

okay?

Bismarck is 🚮
depends on how your current progression is

[frank pulsar]

hood is high prio, bismarck you can grab later on for iron blood points if you need it

[whole crypt]

then just take Hood, you won't need to work on FdG for at least the next month or two

[astral laurel]

Is the next event a new one or rerun?

Hood is pretty decent for new players maybe even more so ever since her aug came out

[whole crypt]

Hood was mediocre for new players because SR investment, but aug made her barrage 100%

[rich echo]

Nah no York II

[tame orchid]

Is there a timelimit for abyssal boss battles

[steady beacon]

Then definitely Hindenburg

[rich echo]

Kk ty

[tame orchid]

Like when it expires

[viscid swift]

The end of the month

[steady beacon]

Uh... the end of the month, I suppose?

[tame orchid]

Ah

Do i have to win opsi battles specifically to increase resolve or any battle

[sweet delta]

any opsi battle

[steady beacon]

... Uhhhh... iirc, remove from your PvP defence fleet then wait for the turn of the hour

[dawn hamlet]

which position is the leading Vanguard ship?

[steady beacon]

The one at the front when you sortie them
Corresponding to the leftmost vanguard in the fleet composition screen

[dawn hamlet]

ah ... all this time she was in rightmost, alright thanks a bunch

[night pumice]

this might be a stupid question but what is call to arms and what can I get out of it

[jaunty vault]

more exp for specific ships

for phase2 you use those ships for missions

for chat frame

its for in case you do not get all limited ships from event
the missions i mean

[eternal moth]

Yep, the missions are replacements for max limit breaking the new ships, just in case you either don't have enough bulins or don't get the new ones, in order to get the chat frame

[stone sluice]

Why do DRs and PRs have very low or even 0 luck?

[inner delta]

its how they are put in game, idk if dev say any reason

[eternal moth]

They all, AFAIK, have 0 luck unless they're at FS5. It's just the way that they design the ships.

[trim bear]

Should I use my gems to expand this

How many do I buy or all of them?

[soft raft]

3rd dorm slot and buy the 2nd floor (after fully expanding the first floor)
Anything more than that is whale territory because that shit gets pricey quick

[trim bear]

Oh ok

[forest palm]

the only one that's really whale territory is the 6th slot, the 5th one is debatably reasonable for F2P, it depends more so on how much you farm

[trim bear]

What else should I spend my gems on in general? I like skins but I want to get the main bits out the way first

[rain vine]

dock space

[trim bear]

How much dock space do I want?

[soft raft]

as much as you can

[gloomy mesa]

Should I stop farming today and save some oil for tomorrow?

[soft raft]

dock space is like the one thing you should be spending F2P gems on outside of 3rd dorm slot and 2nd floor of dorm

[rain vine]

event isnt tomorrow, its the pre-event call to arms

[atomic abyss]

If you observe the regular ships, you'll notice that those that sank during the war(s) all tend to have low luck
And those that survived tend to have very high luck

So for example, Takao is the only one of her class to have above 50 luck (rest are 30 or below iirc) cos she was the only one that survived the war

Other factors that Devs seem to take into account when giving ship luck stats are if the ship happened to be particularly excellent or lucky when it came to its war achievements

So for example, Warspite has one of the highest luck in game because she managed to hit the moving Giulio Cesare from 24km away

So from this, if the ships with good careers have high luck, and ships with bad careers tend to have low luck

What about the PR ships that never existed in the first place lol

Yeah they got no luck instead

[trim bear]

Why is Dock space important?

Can I just get rid of my 1 stars?

[rain vine]

you can farm maps without having to stop halfway during your autorun to make space

[soft raft]

and that way you can both grind and store bullins without that popup annoying the shit out of you

[atomic abyss]

There are over 700 ships in this game
Even disregarding the low rarity stuff
The high rarity stuff will fill up the 100 slots fairly quickly
And then when you get the bulins and enhancement fodder wellllll

It's partly qol

[stone sluice]

Very interesting 🤔makes sense to me and why Shinano has a low luck stat

[atomic abyss]

Ofc that's just a general trend that we've observed
And there are some that are really moment

Don't look into it too deeply kek

[viscid swift]

explain to me then why a ship, like Volga, who never even left the drawing board has 50 luck

[trim bear]

how do i upgrade dock space

[tame jungle]

Spared the horrors of war

That’s lucky in its own way

[rain vine]

you buy it in the item shop

[atomic abyss]

shop -> items

[trim bear]

This?

[trim bear]

Oh does this not work

[viscid swift]

Guild tech is its own thing, and you're maxed at 30 from there anyway

[trim bear]

oh ok

[grizzled creek]

So for Unicorn the goal it to focus on maxing out the retrofit board right ? Or is there minimum upgrades