gameplay-help

[wind hazel]

it's a waste

[atomic abyss]

No, convert them to protocore so you can buy gear with them

[vale apex]

oh

[normal crane]

Just cleared chap 11, where should i farm there? Still need 4 more levels to unlock chap 12

[atomic abyss]

If you can comfortably do 11-4, then 11-4 imo

If you're lucky you might get Columbia...

[normal crane]

[flat garnet]

How to improve morale(or whatever this sad face on units)

[south sequoia]

Putting them in dorm

Also you should've invested in portland over sanfrancisco and the bulins should've went into enterprise

[flat garnet]

Ok thank you

[crimson glacier]

atleast san fran is a good shio

[sinful elk]

chat should i get west virgina

[tame jungle]

who would she be replacing

[atomic abyss]

Weevee has a retro
But so does Nelson, which has a better one

[sinful elk]

for fleet tech tho

[tame jungle]

then you want to be training her anyway tho?

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you mean faction tech?

[inland shoal]

FP tech

[atomic abyss]

For Anchorage?

[sinful elk]

yea

[sinful elk]

yup

[atomic abyss]

...I suppose there might be a case?

[tame jungle]

i'm really not seeing the value of using a WV over Nelson

[inland shoal]

Ah she's only in core shop hmm do you have all the other stuff you have from core shop yet?

[inland shoal]

They don't want to use her

[sinful elk]

i have 2 black shells and 1 white shell

[inland shoal]

They just want the USS tech for ⚓

[atomic abyss]

They want to get the tech to unlock Anchorage...
I personally would advise against it if it's stealing from core shop

Rather get something from guild shop

[south sequoia]

I'd go for 1 more white shell then buy indep

[tame jungle]

yeah uhhh if you don't have enough shells i think it's quite harsh

[inland shoal]

Oof Indep has little tech pts

[south sequoia]

It's not that bad, early on you wouldn't even be slapping 3 pairs immediately

[sinful elk]

this is quiet juicy ngl

[south sequoia]

How much fleet tech do you need for anchor left?

[inland shoal]

But yeah I wouldn't buy her for that many cores now

[atomic abyss]

Iirc, he was at 750+?

[sinful elk]

190

[south sequoia]

oh

honestly I'd just go for the 3rd pair of shells

[sinful elk]

actually the part is that i dont know where else to get more

[south sequoia]

If you were much closer, like around 100 then you should've went for indep but since 190 is still a big cap considering it's USS you're better off with a 3rd pair of shells

[inland shoal]

You can farm WV in WAs too

[sinful elk]

is this real

[tame jungle]

ashen simulacrum iirc

[south sequoia]

she also drops in fallen wings

[tame jungle]

WRONG: fallen wings

[south sequoia]

b1/d1`/d2/d3

[sinful elk]

d3 has the highest drop chance right?

[south sequoia]

not confirmed, but it'd be the best place to farm for her since it's still d3 of an event map

[tame jungle]

alabama, massachusetts, north carolina, south dakota and washington also give quite a lot of tech, do you have any of those?

[south sequoia]

indep and weevee give 108 tech points, you're still 82 short

[tame jungle]

washy and massa you can get from medals, sd from merit

they all give 90 total

acquire one, mlb another gives you 80, then get some cheap ship/mlb it for the scraps is also possible

[sinful elk]

Medals.. i dunno i would love to buy a bulin to mlb kiev

or should i just grab seatle and georgia?

[tame jungle]

how far along for those are you?

[sinful elk]

currently 660 eagle tech

[tame jungle]

no imean

how far along for development of those two ships

[sinful elk]

didnt even touch

[weary fog]

12-4 boss doesn't fire much torpedos right, cuz my boss fleet vanguard can't rlly take it

[inland shoal]

Idk why you are worried about torpedoes specifically, but 12-4 is a bit special in that regard iirc

[jaunty vault]

oh theres a ton of torps in 12-4 boss

[inland shoal]

Hmm if you don't have any other ships you need to develop rn you might as well ig

[winter condor]

u have a slow vanguard?

i mean full CA/CB

[weary fog]

Nope, mostly run DDs and CLs

[winter condor]

hmmm then run eva gear and is fine

what ships u have?

[weary fog]

as in what I am currently running?

[winter condor]

yes

[weary fog]

Kron, Kawa, and Helena

[winter condor]

kron tank or offtank?

pd Kron is a CA

on kawaze try to run HP gear + one of eva

[strong tartan]

just run double toolbox you won't need a washing machine

[winter condor]

if he have some of the gridman gear can run tool + the eva one tho

[south sequoia]

if kron is suffering too much from torpedos you can always do an eva + torpedo bulge on her

[eternal basalt]

Kronk is a CB

[normal crane]

If i want to farm exp for shipyard mission should i do it on 11-1 or just 11-4?

[eternal basalt]

11-4 gives more xp

[atomic abyss]

A lot of torps and shell barrages

[tame jungle]

fight also becomes significantly easier if you take out maya, who's circling around choukai

[weary fog]

Isn't chapter 12 about planes.....haiz

Torp bulge or eva aux equipment is preferrable

[winter condor]

true mb but is still a slow ship

[winter condor]

one part yes but the boss on 12-4 are choukai and maya and they love the torpedo / barrages spam

also appears some dd plus planes

[atomic abyss]

And that's why you have to bring carriers

The issue is more so that Choukai and Maya are torp spamming CAs

[winter condor]

sometimes the best defense is a good ofense

[atomic abyss]

Firstly

How about you create a thread so we can see the stuff you're using right now for 12-4 boss
And their gear

[weary fog]

How do you create a thread? Also rn I progressing through 12-2 getting ready for 12-4

[jaunty vault]

right click/ hold message if mobile

[winter condor]

check the icon the text should be in ur language

full menu when i right click my message

[jaunty vault]

crear hilo

[weary fog]

My Loadout

[tropic tusk]

prinz rupp or nelson retrofit? stronger

[fresh tangle]

Two more t3 carrier prints and I’ve fully retrofit my first ship (unicorn) wooo. Unfortunately none today from hard 😂

[jaunty vault]

rupp probably
should be around the same

[tropic tusk]

pr5 around the same as a normal retrofit ??? are u shitting me???

[frank pulsar]

not the whole of pr5, just that ruppy is kinda average

[south sequoia]

Ruppy should still be better

[jaunty vault]

it is what it is

i did say she is probably better

ruppy isn't average

it's just that nelson isn't average either

also

[steep merlin]

Is Tai Yuan worth retrofitting?

[weary fog]

is there a guide on meta ships.....It looks like a whole new world in there man

[jaunty vault]

nelson is the best retrofitted BB

[jaunty vault]

two reason two level up tai yuan

1. you have her retrofit item
2. you want tech

[steep merlin]

I see ty

[jaunty vault]

what do you want, specifically

[south sequoia]

Meta ships aren't that complicated and it's not like picking any of them will make or break your team

[tame jungle]

don't worry about it too much, all gold ones are decent to good but none of them are meta-defining

just have a look through the ones available and pick the one you'd like to use the most

[kind slate]

is allen m sumner good? mainly asking for w14/15

[weary fog]

Uh like a guide on how to start building them

the materials and skills r foreign to me

[south sequoia]

for w14 she can do you good, as for w15 it's a matter if she could even survive.

[kind slate]

imma start building her for w14 then

[south sequoia]

It's not really foreign, you do a handful of tasks around the game to level up their skills OR buying exp books from opsi shop/meta shop

the materials you just buy them from opsi shop and you can sometimes obtain a handful of them in their meta fight milestones

[south sequoia]

well not that good

it depends on your cl/dd options

she shouldn't be really one of the first options

[weary fog]

Hows Rodney meta?

[tame jungle]

good

[weary fog]

Relative to Nelson?

[tame jungle]

compare on wiki man

[void turret]

where tf are all the T2 carrier blueprints

I've even gotten a T3 before a T2

[icy mountain]

is it fine to use saratoga in a boss fleet?

[south sequoia]

she'd perform great in boss

[steady beacon]

Alas, RNG is just like that
Can never be sure what luck will do to you

[icy mountain]

okay then

[tame jungle]

sara retro has good consistent damage output, even more so with augment

[void turret]

rng can't be that bad, ive literally gotten no T2s for a week

is there ANY OTHER way to get the damn things, I just need 4 more to retrofit unicorn

[tame jungle]

guild and medal shop

[steady beacon]

You can sometimes fish for them in guild shop (at random)
Or you can drastically overpay for them in medal shop

[undone plover]

U can also combine the t1 prints to t2 if u have a lot

[whole crypt]

who's after Illustrious Muse for 15 support, Little Illust or Chen Hai

[half plover]

hi, I have problems with my aa damage and I am using portland on my farming team. does anyone have an idea how high her aa damage is compared to any other blue/epic vanguard I could level up?

I feel like I dont need to run a tank in 12-1 to level units

[whole crypt]

any decently leveled ship with proper gear can survive as 12-1 "tank"

[tame jungle]

perhaps try using circular defense formation

[half plover]

aah I forgot about formations 😭 ty

[tame jungle]

might be enough to just push it over the edge to become farmable a little easier

[half plover]

can I already set a formation in the auto sortie screen?

[whole crypt]

12 you should be fine with double line, just anything but single line

[tame jungle]

i'm not sure, i haven't needed it yet

[half plover]

my mob fleet usually dies on the last mob

[novel condor]

I think u have to set it b4 u turn the auto button on

[half plover]

because my vanguards literally cant kill a single plane wave

[tame jungle]

that's not very good!

[whole crypt]

you can't set in auto sortie but you can turn off auto, set it, then turn on auto

[half plover]

yeah it is z23, portland and helena

[whole crypt]

the formation defaults to your last selection

[whole crypt]

sounds like a shitty AA gun problem

[novel condor]

Just get better AA ships, or ships with better AA

[half plover]

I am using purple/golden quads and a golden and a purple round aa gun

all on +10 😭

[whole crypt]

what are the ship levels and who do you have on main fleet

[half plover]

main fleet is bismarck and peter strasser lvl 90 and enty lvl 100

[tame jungle]

what fighter on enty?

[half plover]

let me see

[whole crypt]

firstly, use a healer
secondly can you screenshot the fighters and AA guns you have

[half plover]

+10 golden baracuda

[whole crypt]

Barracuda is TB, not fighter

[undone plover]

Is this green?

[novel condor]

Yes

[half plover]

yes

ah golden seafang +10 mb

[whole crypt]

yeh screenshot your AA guns, also what levels are your vanguard

[half plover]

my vanguard is lvl 115

[tame jungle]

run healer

[novel condor]

Def run healer

[half plover]

any recommendations for a healer? my unicorn is already lvl 122

[novel condor]

Prob swap out Peter with a healer

[undone plover]

U probably need to desync that backline a bit. Looks like enty and strasser fire too close to each other

[tame jungle]

if you have unicorn

[half plover]

I need to grind IB exp for FdG

[whole crypt]

healer aside there's no reason why his AA circle isn't shooting down any planes in 12, unless his vanguard is super underleveled

[novel condor]

Just use her then

[novel condor]

well ig swap out Enty

[tame jungle]

enty overkill for mobs anyway

[whole crypt]

swap Enterprise for Unicorn then, it's not like she's giving you any XP for CDC

[half plover]

thats my vanguard gear

[tame jungle]

you might wanna swap helena and z23 guns

[whole crypt]

give purple bofors to Nimi, gold roomba to Helena and gold bofors to Portland

[tame jungle]

yeah that's even better

[novel condor]

Yep

[half plover]

nimi = z23?

[tame jungle]

yeah

[half plover]

ty

[whole crypt]

that alone should already help you shoot down a few more planes, besides that it's up to you to go full KMS main fleet for XP or take a healer

[half plover]

my mob fleet is currently just my boss fleet since my mob fleet vanguard already reached lvl 120 lmao

[whole crypt]

Portland needs a better gun and an evasion aux

[novel condor]

Wait which world u hitting, 12?

[half plover]

I am in w12 yes

[whole crypt]

if you don't have spare rudders give rudder to Portland and toolkit to Helena

[novel condor]

No 2nd fleet ?

[half plover]

my first fleet is lvl 120

[whole crypt]

to be fair you don't need a second fleet for ch12, but you need a proper setup

[novel condor]

hmmm icic

[half plover]

I got like hood, unicorn, laffey, friedrich carl, nelson etc already to lvl 120

and I would prefer raising other ships to lvl 120 before leveling them up to lvl 125

[novel condor]

Tru but kinda makes the experience bit easier ig?

[whole crypt]

yeh that's fine, but if you really cannot make it without a healer throwing Unicorn back in is fine, or raising another healer

[novel condor]

Having 2 fleets I mean

[half plover]

I am using 2 fleets

[whole crypt]

the second fleet only makes things easier if you can level and gear it

[half plover]

my bossing fleet is fully lvl 120 to clear the stages anyway if the mob fleet fails

[novel condor]

Oh I'm just dum mb then

[whole crypt]

at best I'd use it to help stack ACV

it really depends on how long you took to get to 12, if you spent some time leveling in 9+ and events you can have an overleveled and geared fleet to catapult you through 12

[half plover]

because I mainly leveled 2 fleets I have problems rn switching out built ships because all are hitting max at the same time rn

and I dont have any other subs I could use rn so I need to get ships from lvl 50 straight into my fleet

[whole crypt]

well you can keep the ships you intend to 125 later in the fleet a bit longer, they can stock XP anyway

[half plover]

yeah like friedrich or nelson for example, or unicorn

[whole crypt]

also don't be too worried about main fleet XP, because you'll run out of main fleet ships to level before vanguards

[half plover]

main fleet exp is just for FdG grind

and I cant get tripitz this month bc I already got bismarck

[whole crypt]

as in don't be too worried about wasting main fleet XP if it overflows

[half plover]

aah I see

[whole crypt]

there are less main fleet ships than vanguards and they naturally tend to get more XP because of flag and/or MVP

which is why super late game fodder leveling be like 2 or 3 maxed main fleet ships carrying...

[half plover]

ooh

should I get any aug for my main fleet ships

I was planning to get hoods aug but I dont plan to use her so idk anymore lmao

[whole crypt]

not a priority if you don't have spare coins

you can get Hood's later if you plan to put her back in at some point

[half plover]

alr ty

[whole crypt]

particularly unique augs can get pretty coin intensive

[tame jungle]

21k

[half plover]

I am currently at coin max rn and I have a full research queue

[tame jungle]

+reroll if you’re a masochist

[half plover]

so not sure how to spend it

[whole crypt]

soft cap can be ignored if you're grinding consistently

[half plover]

okok good to know

[whole crypt]

if you really want to spend it can try retrofitting or LBing ships if you have spares

or enhancing gear

[south sequoia]

rerolling doesn't even matter

[tame jungle]

That’s why i said if you’re a masochist

[dawn whale]

Reroll?

[whole crypt]

meowfficers

[jaunty vault]

lol

[dawn whale]

Oh then im the biggest masochist /j

[steady beacon]

The suffering you must endure to force 80 RLD tbh...

[jaunty vault]

whats the cats for that

and talents

[whole crypt]

RLD is very much a sub cat thing

[jaunty vault]

theres people in here that do it for CVs

i dont really care avout sub RLD as long as i hit the req for bidder

[whole crypt]

technically sub rld cats are less of a thing now because bidders

[jaunty vault]

[whole crypt]

all of the decent sub combinations can reload bidder with 1 snorkel anyway

[tame jungle]

Is there a calculator of some sort for sub breakpoints

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/SubReload

[tame jungle]

Oh nice, thanks

[whole crypt]

thing is even carriers it's kind of not that important, since you can't use cats in showdown and outside of showdowns there's not a lot of rld pressure unless you're short on tech

[jaunty vault]

dont got anything better to do

[whole crypt]

well I'd prioritize rolling ace and flame, next in line probably officer and AVI first

I still don't get what the little enty react is supposed to mean but whatever

[jaunty vault]

same

[whole crypt]

well the only cat I have that's done rolling flame + key talents is an Edelweiss

[jaunty vault]

how often do you reroll

[whole crypt]

depends on coin stock, usually at least thrice a week for specific cats but I'm also buying max boxes each day looking for better base cats

[silk sphinx]

I reroll very frequently multiple times a week outside of when I go bankrupt. I have one perfect steel and one great Oscar

[jaunty vault]

understandable

[whole crypt]

like I have a lime that has soulful that's still rolling for flame

[silk sphinx]

It’s extremely painful tbh

[whole crypt]

it is, and I'm actually low on coin now

[jaunty vault]

whats painful is the time limit on rerolling

[whole crypt]

probably will have to start saving around this weekend at latest for event

[silk sphinx]

15k + 7-11k per day, more if it’s multiple rerolls…

[whole crypt]

on an average day between buying boxes and rerolling it's like 50-70k coins down the sink

[late flame]

not touching cats until the promised rework is here copium

[jaunty vault]

ill reach cmd lvl200 before that

[whole crypt]

which would explain why I'm also low on oil and opening mail lately

[silk sphinx]

You’re rolling that many cats?

[half plover]

swapping the guns made it so easy for my mob fleet now wow

[jaunty vault]

what guns

[turbid dawn]

So bit of a strange question but is Hark just so much better then Nano or something? I've been manualling RodneyM recently to guarantee a one shot for her everytime. They both get off 3 airstrikes and with me manualling they never miss any airstrike at all, and I've always noticed Nano is always so much lower then Hark. I know she doesn't have +13 Tenrai but that shouldn't always be a 100k difference every fight

[whole crypt]

18690 for cat boxes, 5-6 cats depending on how deep I've spent talents on last reset

[jaunty vault]

could be various reasons, including the +10 tenrai

but in same fleet, hakuryuu generally does more

[warm flax]

Do I need to beat this 4 times to auto it?

[jaunty vault]

albeit not 60% more

you need to get S rank

to quick battle

[turbid dawn]

Well that's what I thought yesterday, that maybe I was missing airstrikes or something, but with all 3 fights done so far today she's always been 80-110k lower then Hark

[south sequoia]

Might be due to shinano sometimes whiffing

[jaunty vault]

like i said, could be various reasons

[whole crypt]

do they land the same number of airstrikes before fight ends, also Hakuryuu is actually buffed by Shinano

[turbid dawn]

She's deffo not whiffing as I am manualling.

[whole crypt]

well are you sure both carriers have >90% hit rates

[turbid dawn]

And yes, just as Hark 3rd airstrikes lands the fight ends, Nano gets 3 before Hark

[whole crypt]

come back after a couple more tries if Shinano is consistently that much lower

[turbid dawn]

I'm presuming because of her increased RLD from her skill

[jaunty vault]

try giving hakuryuu the +10 tenrai and see the dmg diff

[whole crypt]

neither carrier has RLD skills

[turbid dawn]

It's been like this fora few days, I noticed it in particular yetseterday and put it down to me being bad and missing or something but its the same today

[jaunty vault]

shinano is faster cause they have differnet number of planes in different slots

could just be rng

[whole crypt]

but yeh, the difference in the plane enhacements do make up part of the difference

[jaunty vault]

the dmg i mean

[turbid dawn]

Ill change the Tenrai round then 1s

[whole crypt]

I mean you could try swapping the Saiuns around, Shinano's TB slot stronger anyway

[jaunty vault]

im more concerned about unzen doing less than shima

[whole crypt]

manual so

[jaunty vault]

ig we know another reason now

[whole crypt]

overall it's not in Shinano's advantage, we just need to find out how each component adds up to that discrepancy

[jaunty vault]

yea that

meth

[whole crypt]

considering manual and all/most torps hit I'm not surprised Shimakaze can get more in

[turbid dawn]

She has full defensive aux compared to shima full DPS aux as Unzen is tanking too

[jaunty vault]

makes sense

[whole crypt]

you're going manual why bother having Unzen tank
if you want to tank use Avrora to tank

[turbid dawn]

And its still the same stroy with swapped planes, Unzen died neaer the start as I got too close but yeah

[jaunty vault]

200k is pretty pathetic for unxen manuel

[turbid dawn]

I tried that she melts way too fast

[jaunty vault]

lmao

[whole crypt]

Avrora dying is fine

if you want to put a pearl on her

[worldly pewter]

is there a way to put the cats during the exercises (pvp) ?

[jaunty vault]

no

[steady beacon]

Uh
Mine is Bish + Eagle
Both have Ace Pilot, Chief of Staff Carriers, Ace Mechanic
To hit 20 each
Other 40 from tech
In exchange, only one Flame's
But Idc tbh
CVs overkill all Arbiters but one anyway, but sneaking under the shield is important

[whole crypt]

PvP doesn't even count tech

[jaunty vault]

no cats for pvp

[hollow gust]

Why is your unzen tank?

[worldly pewter]

why does it show 2 empty slots then ?

[jaunty vault]

ask the devs

[whole crypt]

because that's the default interface

[worldly pewter]

[jaunty vault]

in #game-feedback

[steady beacon]

Um... coops
Have you ever
Tried Unzen manual vs RodM? 👀

[worldly pewter]

is that the same as fighting the meta ?

[warm flax]

He's asking

[whole crypt]

no because META has its own end screen for damage count

[jaunty vault]

nop

[hollow gust]

Auto unzen does like 300-400k lmao

[jaunty vault]

i know a guy that gets 400k +

[turbid dawn]

Would this be fine for Unzen in off-tank then?

[jaunty vault]

heck hes got a few 500k

[steady beacon]

If you're not trying to specifically juice her, and you're manualling, her hitting 200k is kinda normal y'know

[hollow gust]

No it's not

[turbid dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813201672176009256/1238874780455796816/636be58ba4732ca6a1097a3b2524cd3ac.jpg?ex=6642d9cc&is=6641884c&hm=ffb8d1b5a009c9e37a4712b50c78c6e51db513e73c3fcba7880d5a836e4c0a71& Amd yeah this is the highest I've seen an Unzen with them specifically going for her dmg

[hollow gust]

200k is mega whiffing everything

[worldly pewter]

are u talking about another game ?

[jaunty vault]

do you have another oxytorp

[fresh tangle]

lol ooops

[steady beacon]

-sigh-
Evidently nobody read "if you're not trying specifically to juice her"
Because EN

[turbid dawn]

Not at +13, Shima has them

[jaunty vault]

you dont need +13

[turbid dawn]

Wouldn't a +13 fumo be better then a +10 oxy for Unzen

[jaunty vault]

does "not specifically trying to juice" mean cheshire gun and quad mags at +!0

[blissful hamlet]

don't +13 fumo for anyone

[steady beacon]

No
It means not running Avrora, among other things
It means not trying to get Shinano's airstrike in before torp rotation 2

[jaunty vault]

right

[steady beacon]

I mean, I posted a day 1 manual kill of RodM
And all subsequent tests showed that if you're not specifically trying to juice Unzen, and giving everyone an equal opportunity to do damage, they all are about equal at 200k

[jaunty vault]

guess one of us did EN

yes

[steady beacon]

But of course, please keep lecturing me about manual RodM, I'm listening and taking notes...

[blissful hamlet]

better to progress campaign than to farm akagi or kaga since they are mega mid

[jaunty vault]

the guy in question used avrora, UR guns and +13 teatorps

and still does less than 200k

heck he got 120k

[hollow gust]

Which is a pretty bad showing

[jaunty vault]

the answer to your question is no

[plain saffron]

nope, for some reason devs keep that in

[steady beacon]

Did I, at any point, make any mention of that score
All I said was, "If you're not trying to specifically juice her, and you're manualling, her hitting 200k is kinda normal y'know"
And I was told "no it's not"

[turbid dawn]

I literally said i nthat one she died early on so she got low dmg, on kills she's doing 200k

[jaunty vault]

see, you gotta keep context in mind

[whole crypt]

200k manual Unzen with that gear is not normal

unless you're manually holding her back

[turbid dawn]

Idk, this was again, they all have tea torps, I use BisZ black hole to hit eall torps, and somehow Shimi does so much more then Unzen still

[jaunty vault]

perhaps saying "200k unzen bad" is wrong and misleading
but then you read the context and it all makes sense

[whole crypt]

auto Unzen with misses average at around 300k on twin oxytorp

[steady beacon]

First question, do you have Implacable

[turbid dawn]

No

[steady beacon]

August?

[turbid dawn]

AVP? Yes

[steady beacon]

Kazagumo?

[turbid dawn]

Yes

[steady beacon]

Actually tbh, using Avrora is fine, but I hate the speed issue
Gimme a sec and let me cook something

[whole crypt]

also I'm using drake gun on Unzen so

[steady beacon]

Same
@turbid dawn , how good is your manual dodging

[turbid dawn]

Btw for you talking about Unzen dmg this si the gear comparison, i cba to ever change my Shimi from her PvP gear

[turbid dawn]

It's fine, I'm able to do every EX thats come out

[steady beacon]

OK, better than me, that's great

Would you prefer to use Kazagumo or Avrora?

[whole crypt]

just don't use Shimakaze for PvP, solved

pretty mediocre

[turbid dawn]

I don't mind, both are 125 so

[whole crypt]

if you're still around ch3 don't bother with SRs and don't pull perm heavy/special banner

[late flame]

pretty>? yes
mediocre>? also yes

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[late flame]

save cubes for CN anniversary - just do one daily light pull

[hollow gust]

Your Pennsylvania is good until you grab a hood or Nelson , who is good enough till you get some event SR bbs who will be replaced by fdg and **gatcha ** rainbows

[whole crypt]

but fdg is also rainbow

[late flame]

warspite retrofit

[hollow gust]

Fixed it

[worldly pewter]

is it normal that my server didn't get a single BB selector from the medal shop from when i started until now ? i started in december

i thought that there was some kind of a fixed rotation or something

[steady beacon]

Yes, Amagi went like 8 or 9 months after the start of the revamped medal system with no BB lol

[late flame]

just need to worship rngesus more

[worldly pewter]

the only ship that its place still black in the collection rewards is hood this is depressing

[half plover]

I hate rngesus, he didnt want to give me noshiro muse

after 30 pulls or more

[late flame]

oh you mean you didnt do over 200 pulls like me?

[half plover]

crazy, yeah time is cutting tight for the UR event so hopefully I can get to 400 cubes, but if it is a good UR maybe it will be my first mlb UR

[silk sphinx]

#trophy-room

[half plover]

will we get info about the UR event on friday?

[worldly pewter]

most likely no i heard for the cn anni it is different

[whole crypt]

no they still announce all new ships

they just don't do it on youtube for obvious reasons

[worldly pewter]

bilibili ?

[half plover]

if the new UR ship isn't replacing san diego for w14+ I will start to build her too and spend 2k proto on the mic

[whole crypt]

and looks like my guess is correct, stream should be 17th

[worldly pewter]

and also it will be hard to understand since it will be in chinese

[whole crypt]

just watch the usual youtubers who simulcast or wait for translations

[late flame]

imagine watching kimocheese

[worldly pewter]

it didn't occur to me ngl i will try to find some

[silk sphinx]

Just skip the stream and wait/ask others for a summary

[whole crypt]

I'll be watching on bili thank you very much

[worldly pewter]

i heard the w14+ doesn't need much AA as 13 and 15

[half plover]

it was w15 then

[tame jungle]

Do not watch kimocheese’s trash content

[whole crypt]

just learn Chinese, easy

[late flame]

ngl i am chinese and i suck at hanzi lol

[worldly pewter]

there will be chinese subs or is it a live broadcast ?

[whole crypt]

live

[silk sphinx]

You can still watch it, should be pretty fun

[whole crypt]

CN stream usualy quite rushed though

[silk sphinx]

Even if you don’t understand the language the channel for it will explain it to some degree

[late flame]

pictures help

[steady beacon]

OK @turbid dawn , this is a version of my original manual RodM fleet with August taking Implacable's place
In theory, because my fleet typically overkilled before Unzen's last rotation and Hakuryuu's final airstrike, it should be able to still overcome the deficit of switching August for Implacable
You can use double oxytorp on Unzen, I just like the speed of Beaver... the reason why she performs worse than Shima (still around 200k though) for me in this setup is just because the boss dies before she gets her last rotation torps out
-Launch all preloads out of the opening, then dodge until about 01:12 and fire off Kazagumo's second rotation torps
-The plane setup makes August go first; when Shimakaze loads her second rotation, launch August, line up for the stop, then unload Unzen's and Shima's second rotation torps. Once done, go back to dodging.
-Launch Shinano at 0:53, Hakuryuu at 0:51 (or 0:50 if you're jittery about accidentally being too fast); if you remember, launch Kaza's torpedoes on Rodney's stationary point as well, but I often forget because I'm running around avoiding Rodney's explosive attacks.
-Again, wait until Shima loads her third rotation, then launch August, line up for the stop, then launch whichever torpedoes you can. If the stop is too short, keep Unzen's torps loaded, better to hit them than to whiff them if she starts moving again. Again, dodge till she goes stationary.
-Launch Shinano at 0:34, Hakuryuu at 0:31
-Launch August whenever she loads, then just unload all your torps as they load (Rodney is stationary for the rest of the fight)
-Shinano at 0:21, Hakuryuu at 0:19 or 0:18 (just don't launch her too late obviously)
Since your equipment is probably better than mine, this should almost certainly be a consistent kill, August notwithstanding.
I can upload a vid later to show this because the word dump can be a bit hard to follow

[whole crypt]

and second half will be a lot of local collabs that are not relevant to EN

[late flame]

woah

[forest palm]

[south sequoia]

Oh wow

[whole crypt]

too many words, I copy comp and I auto

[turbid dawn]

What is the fighter plane for AVP?

Never seen it

[silk sphinx]

Gearlab

[whole crypt]

gold Focke Wulf from lab

[tame jungle]

Fockewulf

[worldly pewter]

most likely for rodney that comp will do 0 damage right ?

[whole crypt]

it will do no damage if you get timings wrong

[worldly pewter]

u said auto

[whole crypt]

I didn't say that's the comp I'm copying

[steady beacon]

That is precisely why I gave instructions on when to launch lol

[forest palm]

this is AL you can make anything work in auto, most Auto Rodney builds are built off of desync

[steady beacon]

Probably not the end of the world if you don't have it, I'm not expecting August's fighter slot to work miracles
Bomb fighter will probably be fine

[whole crypt]

focke wulf is only like a few % higher than bombs I think

[late flame]

ngl i read it as f*ck wulf the first time i seen it

[forest palm]

that's how you read it

[tame jungle]

Fockewulf taking into account accuracy is a little better than bombs

[twin edge]

I have doubts about “long range AA guns” meaning

[tame jungle]

I think riceist ran calcs, i know it’s on the wiki somewhere

[steady beacon]

It's just a personal preference of mine for this fight tbh
Paranoia about spread damage
If switching a bomb fighter to FW-190 changes anything, it'll be on the margins

[tame jungle]

The consistency is nice

[inland shoal]

It means time fuze

[turbid dawn]

Well last fight for the day, gave it a try and tbh it didn't do that much better, it feels weird holding the torps as it just seems like ur loosing dmg

Also Nano still doing a lot less then Hark

[steady beacon]

I really should have just uploaded the vid, I knew written instructions are too confusing

[inland shoal]

Manual Unzen doing <200k

[trim bear]

I'm new what banners should I pull on and do u have any tips in general ( ice been told to pull on anniversary and avoid permanent banner)

[whole crypt]

honestly without seeing a vid no idea
also Unzen sub 200k is just sad

[tame jungle]

Outside of event: 1 light pull for daily
During event: 3 pulls on event banner for daily

Try to stay above 400 cubes

With for daily i mean for the daily mission that you get that requires you to pull

[trim bear]

Ah ok

[steady beacon]

I may have overestimated August's capability too tbh
I thought Yorktown was underperforming, but that is an utterly shocking underperformance...

[turbid dawn]

Well I'm consistently doing the same dmg and I know i'm hitting everything otherwise it wouldnt be the exact same dmg everytime, it'd be much higher or lower if I was missing

[sullen creek]

Very unfortunate

[twin edge]

Ty dude, im looking up wich guns have time fuse

[tame jungle]

It’s the ones with the little red icon

[worldly pewter]

this is very rare to see pilica's suggestion not meeting the expectations

[steady beacon]

Short answer, like I said, despite no one believing, if you're not using someone like Avrora or the various torp meme buffers/debuffers, it's not beyond bizarre for Unzen to be scoring that
But it is true that Nano underperformed, and August is beyond the pale... genuinely did not expect her to go that badly...
One thing that I guess Implac gives that August doesn't is -20% enemy EVA, which... is measurably helpful for Unzen, I'll say that much
Wonder if that's going to break this now...

[whole crypt]

honestly without reproducing the results no idea

[atomic abyss]

I did try avp haku nano

My conclusion was this

In order to run all 3 of them against rodM
You need to scuff one of them ridiculously badly, and one of them somewhat badly in order to ensure that the 3 don't sync up

[steady beacon]

This was manual though 👀

[whole crypt]

bloodbane manuals, base timing is not relevant

[late flame]

thats what i did.. with all the funny planes
got 25k points and peaced out of this fight lol
will wait for dossier to bully her with more OP units

[atomic abyss]

If it was manual, then it could be a billion things tbh
I'm assuming the guy is actually good at manual sure, but is he hitting the key timings?

If the reload is too slow, it's impossible to hit the key timings for the first 2 airstrikes lol

[whole crypt]

he says he is and his results are fairly consistent, which is why we are completely puzzled how Shinano is doing so low

[steady beacon]

I'm starting to worry that me saying "manual's trivial" might genuinely be false ngl lol
Maybe I'm just so used to it that I find it easy...

[atomic abyss]

It is false

[whole crypt]

he regularly manuals so I'd say his skill level is at least acceptable

[atomic abyss]

I'll be honest, there are a lot of people who will likely manual worse than the auto does

[worldly pewter]

i got this amount and peaced out of the content

[atomic abyss]

But my educated guess, is that the shinano's torps miss for the first 2 airstrikes

[turbid dawn]

I only manual EX, sometimes the Harbiter and this Meta fight

[atomic abyss]

RodM simply moves

[steady beacon]

Ender, I literally gave instructions to launch Shinano at stationary points lol

[tame jungle]

Yeah she schmooves a lot

[cobalt rapids]

record fight > post video, easiest way to see what actually happens

[atomic abyss]

But is that even possible for the first 2 strikes tho

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I do know the timing of when she stops, and yes I was just gonna say tomorrow I'll record a fight with her for you to enjoy

[whole crypt]

the main reason I'm puzzled with the numbers is I don't seriously doubt baneblood's manual skill level

[steady beacon]

Of course, you hold the first one back until 0:53
And you hold the second one back until 0:34

[tame jungle]

I don’t have meta comps but i gotta hold on the touhou barrage because otherwise she just takes 0 dmg

[atomic abyss]

I'm not doubting skill level here really

[whole crypt]

which is why the numbers are so puzzling

[atomic abyss]

Cos that nano is hitting numbers that my nano hits on the average day

[steady beacon]

It puzzles me because that damage number is what my Shinano does when she's carrying that scuffed plane combination of Saiun/Fulmar/Saiun/Beacon... which I now only use for Unzen juicing...
She's carrying double Ju-87 AND Tenrai with double catapult... what the heck lol

[atomic abyss]

My nano is...
Skyrocket Suisei 12A and Saiuns lol...

[steady beacon]

Ender, you're still using the Skyrocket 👀

[atomic abyss]

On a good day she hits excess of 170k tho

On a REALLY good day I get this

Yes, that's with the fucking skyrocket lol

[inner delta]

why noshi and not any of the cv buffer

[late flame]

torpmeme?

[atomic abyss]

Underlevelled frontline
Also the damage I get from buffing the CVs is balanced out by the damage lost by Shima missing Nosh's buff... Hilariously

[cobalt rapids]

shima looking good

[atomic abyss]

Shima on a good day hits 90-100k for me

...on auto
...at 115

[atomic abyss]

I risk frontline dying prematurely instead due to underlevel

[south sequoia]

Iirc isn't noshi muse better for torp buffing over regnosh?

[atomic abyss]

That she is
Buy my og nosh is 123

And while my Mushiro's skills are maxed
I don't think I'm getting her up there for a while

[cobalt rapids]

does nagato buffed shima sync moshi

[atomic abyss]

She should buff every IJN yes...

[jaunty vault]

with my very scuffed testing of 1 challenge and 2 souryuuM fights, i have found that fred carl does somewhere between 61-69% of drakes damage, the additional barrage for offtank does not do more damage than 1 twin234
hence i have arbitrarily concluded that fred carl does not do damage anywhere near drake
if someone wants to prove me wrong, they are welcome to do so

[cobalt rapids]

noshi muse is every 20s

[steady beacon]

Also, I would not suggest main tanking her
I have tried on manual and it is uh... not exactly safe...

[late flame]

b-but Ender likes living on the edge

[atomic abyss]

Surely it's better than Sirius....

[south sequoia]

The drake damage comparison was always in the context of being ran with high fp/buffed vanguards like hindenburg, her own personal damage doesn't even compare to being near to drakes but her rdps

[steady beacon]

Yes, but if Sirius dies, you don't lose her skill 👀

[jaunty vault]

you did not understand what i said

[atomic abyss]

Correct me if I'm wrong
But isn't Carl's barrage "damage" based on her other team mates

[south sequoia]

It is

[jaunty vault]

i am saying, that barrage does not do enough damage

[cobalt rapids]

did u do twipple vs twipple?

[jaunty vault]

to claim she is better h=than drake

[atomic abyss]

That seems to makes sense

[jaunty vault]

i did +13 twipple on fred vs +13 unzen on drake

[south sequoia]

Did you run hinden?

[atomic abyss]

B...b...but then I lose the torp buffs

[whole crypt]

but she is better h than drake

[atomic abyss]

Anyways it's an exercise in futility for me
I don't have much options

[jaunty vault]

i did run hinden

[gusty olive]

Should I replace Roon Muse with Ancho as tank of a boss fleet?

[steady beacon]

How did you calculate the damage value of the barrage?
Did you somehow just eyeball it? 👀

[south sequoia]

If thats rhe case, just another case of magic not translating into practice

[turbid dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813201672176009256/1236650588444557353/Desktop_2024.05.05_-_12.52.39.27.DVR.mp4?ex=6643541c&is=6642029c&hm=de2d9c37ef1528241b3c9f3a027e640d2b40eb576fe9691f190363f9b3d8b96c& Actually I did do a video of this run last week with a completley different fleet that I could never quite work for those interested, I did miss 1 lot of torps I think for this run

[jaunty vault]

yes

[gusty olive]

How tf

[jaunty vault]

my take from here is that we should not blindly follow CN bullsit numbers

[plain saffron]

nobody should blindly follow any numbers

[turbid dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813201672176009256/1236277758787584010/image.png?ex=66434a62&is=6641f8e2&hm=10555c9eb7faefcd7731ebe4d2cbe0e7d2291cb372b8f511de8ac755e81589a7& This was the results from that fight I believe

[jaunty vault]

and not recommend them to others either

[steady beacon]

Damn, can I get you to eyeball my data for me please
I lost my marbles trying to figure out how much Shima does per torp because all the numbers basically coalesced...

[gusty olive]

I trust my lunacy until it fails

[atomic abyss]

yeah this makes far more sense....

[whole crypt]

what, did CN give FdC some magically high rdps?

[gusty olive]

If lunacy fails, praise be Helena

[atomic abyss]

Btw this was my Nano for rodM lol...

so surely most of the people here can beat mine

[gusty olive]

Hesitant to mlb Nano until I see who the new UR is kekw

[atomic abyss]

Looks like just REALLY bad TB rng for the prior run then

[jaunty vault]

i charge 1000 USD per 10 mins of my time

[south sequoia]

Ah wait I just remembered

I think CN did a test of a pure buffed kms high fp vanguard

Well not test but magiced under it

[atomic abyss]

what on earth did they use to buff it? surely not Bisk1

[jaunty vault]

so you provided misinformation

[south sequoia]

It was emden hinden fdc + zwei + whatever the two other vanguards were

[atomic abyss]

cleo 5 vanguards?

[south sequoia]

I mean backlines

[plain saffron]

how tanky fdc compared to azuma?

[cobalt rapids]

any reason why fc isnt on hindy gun

[atomic abyss]

theoreticals say equal or better iirc

[jaunty vault]

bc i only have one and it was on hindy

[plain saffron]

finally i can kick azuma out of my KMS fleet

[jaunty vault]

and hindenburg does more damage

[whole crypt]

CN's damage table is single target and they listed the damage under her skill damage not rdps

[steady beacon]

OK, one thing I will definitely observe (although I'm not convinced it would have changed it to a kill)
But Hakuryuu was revealed before her third airstrike
It's one reason why I don't like running any unconcealed ship in the backline if I'm relying on backline damage (versus juicing a manual torp meme frontline)

[cobalt rapids]

hindy only cares about fp for fc test

[tiny gulch]

https://i.imgur.com/Aphf79N.png can someone spoonfeed me optimal gear loadouts for these fleets to sync? just finished rodney meta 25k so i'm trying to revert to what i was using before but i didn't save the presets and i just got owned in arknights and am too sad to figure it out again myself

[whole crypt]

so maybe Shinano was revealed earlier for his fights?

[jaunty vault]

so if youre using fdc to buff hinden but then scuffing hinden damage then you net negative

[cobalt rapids]

i know what u mean

[atomic abyss]

well to be exact, unless you're expecting azuma to tank more shells (i.e with VH armour), carl should IN THEORY tank better

[steady beacon]

Maybe
I have definitively observed in the testing of Rice's comp that Shinano's damage falls off precipitously if she gets revealed

[jaunty vault]

im not racking more of my brain on this ren

[plain saffron]

it was for opsi anti light fleet

[turbid dawn]

How're they even getting revealed for this fight? I know they get revealed when they launch or if something gets within range

[steady beacon]

Her barrage burns

Burn + being unable to heal back down + launching can reveal them

[whole crypt]

well I don't see FC belonging in any high DPS vanguard anyway

[south sequoia]

Wait does FDC even tank as much hits as azuma in practice? Iirc her ehp was accounting towards torp shield

[steady beacon]

Alright, for the sake of comparison: https://streamable.com/bck51h

[cobalt rapids]

mebots ehp doesnt account torp and shell shields iirc (yet)

[steady beacon]

I should note, if August actually does as bad damage as that score showed
Then change the plan
Go for torp meme frontline instead
Do you have Noshi Muse?

[plain saffron]

i summon @slow fox what's ehp of azuma vs fdc

[turbid dawn]

Yeah but I haven't tocuhed her since getting her because Muse ship

Also yeah none of ur ships are revealed even by the end

[late flame]

dang

[steady beacon]

RodM is weird, as I discovered after Thorin shared a quirk about her early on
Basically, she will not attempt to attack your backline after the 8th second of the fight or so if none of them are revealed at any point
Since that first burn is easy to work around if you launch late, a triple CV backline will basically never get revealed in this fight
But if you have even one BB, she will attempt to shell your backline indiscriminately at various points in the fight, and each time there is a chance to burn

[native lodge]

How do I leave the zone?

[cobalt rapids]

press exit

[steady beacon]

Exit button, bottom right

[native lodge]

oh

[tiny gulch]

ok i'm just gonna make a thread and post my loadouts, please pop in and tell me if there's any issues with gearing for synced optimal opsi fleets

[native lodge]

why does it not pop up at when u click outside of map

[warm flax]

Azuma is washed?

[turbid dawn]

That would explain the constant low Nano dmg a lot then, huh? I mean what would you recommend for a 3rd slot then as I use BisZ to hit guarnatee I hit all the torps, and I think AVP+Centaur are the only other CV stops I have. I could go for a higher dmg CV like Enty or Sara but idk

[atomic abyss]

azuma has been quite washed for a while to be fair...

[turbid dawn]

Or maybe Ark Royal is even better for this fight?

[atomic abyss]

ark... is a 🎲

[steady beacon]

You see, I bank heavily on the stop being controllable (whereas Bis Zwei's timing doesn't match torpedoes as nicely, assuming you don't hold her back)

[late flame]

would be funny if DD in fleet improves ark's accuracy

[atomic abyss]

if assault carrier procs you can hit 200k quite consistently

[steady beacon]

But I still never expected August to whiff as hard as that...

[atomic abyss]

also, lmao 200 gems

guess EN is getting gems this CN anni after all

[plain saffron]

can't wait to feel the smoothness

[steady beacon]

I thought it'd be like... 2/3 of Implacable or something, but it's more like 1/3

[turbid dawn]

I do sometimes have to hold it back, but I'm using the NJ gun wit hthe delay aux so she still gets the same amount of salvos in, and she still craks 100k+ dmg even when she only gets 1/3 of her dmg

[steady beacon]

If that isn't just a bizarre underperformance on August's part, and the other alternatives prove unsuitable, then maybe torp memes is the way to go instead
Apoc went Unzen, I went Shima; there's a bit of theory as to which buffers/debuffers suit who, but we can go into that later if necessary
But it definitely works:

[gusty olive]

Torp meme advocates lol

[steady beacon]

More like torp meme heretics

[keen sable]

Manual advocates lol

[gusty olive]

I manual

Only mob fleets deserve auto

[cobalt rapids]

i deserve auto

[gusty olive]

Autoloaders

[turbid dawn]

When I see Autoloaders I just think Kearsarge

[steady beacon]

You have Jintsuu META ready right? (since you mentioned PvP before)

[turbid dawn]

I do indeed

[golden viper]

How do you get more sr design plan and T3 ordnance testing report?

[undone plover]

short answer: opsi

[strong tartan]

what time do livestreams usually happen

[steady beacon]

Alright, I'd be inclined to go Avrora/Jintsuu META/Unzen then
AvP can serve the same purpose as Vanguard does for me, taking bad personal damage for utility (here the stop, for JintM and Unzen to fire whenever Unzen loads)
Bring the two IJN CVs and launch them at the same times I gave before
Give fast torps to Avrora and dump them whenever they load
You basically don't want her torps jamming the other two because there's not enough time in the stop interval to allow a third ship to jam you, especially since Unzen has concurrent loads

[golden viper]

Is it all just luck?

[steady beacon]

Usually 1900 or 2000 local time for the broadcasting place
This time it's 1900, GMT+8

[late flame]

3 days 21 hrs 39min 25sec from now (give and take)

[steady beacon]

Although... ugh... I'm still really frustrated by the 20% EVA problem
It may not seem like much, perhaps, but I can say you feel the difference over many tests...
It's really the small things that add up to mess stuff up when you do substitutions...

[strong tartan]

oh they just announced it? guess I did all that calculating for nothing

[undone plover]

u can guarentee 1 T3 report from opsi shops per month.
u need to buy T2 + hope for rng and convert 8:1 (not recommended) if u want more than 1 per month

for SR designs it is basically rng which one u get but there are a bunch of selectors u can convert

[turbid dawn]

Yeah could give that a try tomorrow then, but yeah I know someone who doesn that exact same vang with Nagato, Implac and Vang to just juice Jintsuu+Unzen. That 20% eva must be pretty good, hence why I though the Fumo would be better then the oxy torp as it igves hit ontop of FP which isnt bad for her as he hit is a lot lower then Shimi

[golden viper]

Thanks. This helps

[whole crypt]

in the end I settled with Jintsuu/Moshiro/Unzen

[steady beacon]

Honestly, it's worth a shot with FuMO tbh
All the TRP in the world is worthless if she misses
Also, I should actually invert the order, put JintM in tank, give her full offensive loadout
Since you PvP, I don't have to explain why of course lol... just make sure you choose her death time after 0:33 so it's a stationary point bc otherwise her death torps can whiff

[steady beacon]

Confession: haven't tested Rice's comp in a while now lol
Too busy chasing damage on manual

[late flame]

gives new meaning to dying for a cause

[turbid dawn]

1 more question then would it be even better ti use balck torp over FuMO then even, it's 1/2 the hit but it does give torp instead

[steady beacon]

Jesus, you have +13 black torps
Ye hell sure, why not
I'd try it out and see how it goes

[frank pulsar]

isnt that aux like, pvp only or smth
usually i only see ppl use stuff like fumo, tractor and oxytorp for offensive aux

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I was really into torp meme before it became a commonplace strategy

[steady beacon]

Idk about "commonplace strategy" 👀
We're all still persecuted as heretics

[whole crypt]

Jintsuu I went 1 rudder + 1 oxytorp, usually lasts just enough for last round

[turbid dawn]

Well its common in PvP

[steady beacon]

Ah

[whole crypt]

torps are simply not consistent in general PvE

[frank pulsar]

wait is this for modney? ppl use either mag torp or mk35, idk why you would use black torp

[whole crypt]

Unzen makes the cut because her damage even if she doesn't hit all of her torps is pretty decent

[steady beacon]

This is a manual setup, just to be clear

[south sequoia]

Oh if its manual the torpedo would do better than a fumo

[frank pulsar]

if youre manualing just use tea torp and oxytorp

[south sequoia]

Unzen already packs with fp she just needs her torp stat to get rolling

[jaunty vault]

they already do

[turbid dawn]

Yheah people are saying my Unzen dmg shouldnt be lower then Shimi and the only reason I can think it is is because she has like 100 less hit then Shimi

[jaunty vault]

damn

[turbid dawn]

So the extra hit on the black torp could do her some good

[jaunty vault]

maybe shima isng worse than unzen

[steady beacon]

It is indeed a very nontrivial difference
Especially since Rodney's EVA and LCK are reasonably high
It's why that EVA-20% is something I find so valuable
And also why I use Lance, actually
But I've still never managed to convince anybody on that point

[turbid dawn]

If only she was a cruiser or something so I could use Avrora

[steady beacon]

Yep lol
EVA rate debuff OP
But... well, I played with the idea of Bristol initially, but uh... awful timings for rotations 1 and 2

[undone plover]

u mean aurora. ppl actually use avrora for this fight with success

[warm flax]

Can Jeanne replace Guam here?

[turbid dawn]

Yeah Aurora, been using Av recently so confused the 2

[frank pulsar]

they have different roles, what are you trying to clear with that fleet

[rapid grail]

For what content? W14?

[warm flax]

Yes

[soft raft]

Looks like a mob fleet so my answer is already leaning towards no

[steady beacon]

God, that's twice recently I've mixed the two up by missing which was the second letter lol

[soft raft]

Jeanne cant tank as well as Guam can

[wind hazel]

w14 sure, let ply mob tank

[rapid grail]

Eh that should be fine for full lethal clear attempt.

Swap Poi and Ply's positions and you are gucci

[frank pulsar]

if its w14 i suggest moving guam to boss and put another dps there instead

[sullen creek]

I like when people who don't manual give advice about manual

[warm flax]

Alright will try

[frank pulsar]

if you really want to use jeanne you could slot her in boss too ig but kinda not worth imho unless youre trying to use a squishy dps in boss like shima or smth

[warm flax]

I tryna get the gems before the maint

Yeah I don't think she has a place here

[undone plover]

current van probably better. i used the same vanguard to clear 14. didnt have much issue

[molten horizon]

Curios if commissions help towards research xp progress?

[jaunty vault]

nope

[jaunty vault]

/prgrind

[odd root]

Does __ count for Shipyard Combat Data Collection EXP?

• Exp earned in PvE combat? Yes.
• Event Combat? Yes. Operation Siren? Yes.
• Ships level capped for any reason? Yes, if it otherwise would count. Even if you see +0.
• PvP/Exercises? No. Dorm? No. Exp packs? No. Commissions? No.

[molten horizon]

I assumed so just wanted to be sure. Thank you much

[jaunty vault]

np

[frozen phoenix]

I just returned to azur lane, any idea what I should be doing right now?

[jaunty vault]

do a light pull daily and save cubes for events

get unicorn and retrofit her

[worldly pewter]

looks like someone who just started follow the beginner guide with some tweaking to what u have

[frozen phoenix]

LOL

[eager mulch]

this means you’ve done 50 cubes worth of pulls in perma

[worldly pewter]

700 days without real progression will lose its sense TBH so follow the advice here

[frozen phoenix]

ahem
anyway just for context I play hsr so maybe those terms might be easier for me, assuming ppl want to help 😄

[steady beacon]

What campaign stage are you up to?

[fresh tangle]

Starting to look at gear properly rather than unga bunga this is purple. Who should I focus on gearing properly first?

[cobalt rapids]

all

read sams equip guide and use poverty options

[steady beacon]

I mean, there isn't too much overlap between their gear choices, so apart from certain aux priorities if you're short of them, definitely equip all of them as best as you can with what you have

[fresh tangle]

What is “best”

It’s the stuff you have to do in lab right?

[worldly pewter]

best of what u have
u can show all ur gear

[steady beacon]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[worldly pewter]

making players read smh

[steady beacon]

As Ren said, Sam's guide can help give you a picture of your ideal options, but uh... you may not have everything, even poverty options yet, so it may be a little tough
You can try posting your fleet + equips in thread and we can try to make the best of what you have

[frozen phoenix]

how?

[fresh tangle]

Right let me figure out how to make a thread

[steady beacon]

You saw my word dump above, it's the only thing I know how to do

[fresh tangle]

My gear

[worldly pewter]

for u
u kinda need to read the basic newbie guide before digging into gear
also someone asked u about which world did u stop at before quitting

[frozen phoenix]

5-1 on normal campaign
my fleet 2 is nonexistent

[steady beacon]

Don't worry about fleet 2 for now

Stick to building up one good fleet

[frozen phoenix]

so..
any suggestions for fleet 1 comp

[fresh tangle]

The newbie guide was amazing for the question you’re asking

My fleet for example. Replace Hood with Pennsylvania

And enty with Indy it was maybe?

[steady beacon]

First thing would be to get Unicorn from the guild shop
Then something like um
Richelieu/Unicorn/Enterprise/Portland/Laffey/eh hell, you know what, she's MLB, just use Le Terrible tbh

But you can grab Helena from guild shop too, and slot her in at a later stage
You're probably just going to massively overkill 5-1, probably all the way up to like World 8 or something with that Richelieu alone lol

[frozen phoenix]

i dont have a guild rn
lexington server

[weary fog]

Is it me or Chapayev sudd hit tier 0 on community tier list

[steady beacon]

Yep after her augment

[steady beacon]

Do you have any guild tokens at all
You might have some, even if you're not in a guild
You should consider joining one, incidentally, you can find casual ones that don't expect you to do too much apart from just doing the daily supply thing and the monthly ops

[weary fog]

What I am reading is she is good at making DDs more easy to kill

[frozen phoenix]

4k -ish

[steady beacon]

Idk what the dodging torpedoes bit is but uh
Dealing good damage is certainly true

[weary fog]

mb can't read

[trim bear]

How do I defeat escort Fleet it won't give me 3 stars

[steady beacon]

Cool, Uni is like 800 guild tokens so you can already afford her

[jaunty vault]

enter the stage, kill any non ambush non boss enemy, profit

[viscid swift]

Escort fleets are any enemies that aren't the boss

[iron gust]

Hey guys is the UR aux torpedo from core data shop worth putting on laffey 2 or should I go for more HP oriented aux instead

[trim bear]

Oh so do I just repeat the stage until I kill enough

[viscid swift]

Pretty much

[steady beacon]

Can be, depending on the content
A bigger question is whether you have enough spare core data to buy the oxytorp over something else that might be more universally useful than an oxytorp
I love using it myself, but I'm also weird

[haughty dust]

what do I need to change here to get that SS detection to be green for 12–3 hard?

I haven’t started it before yet so I didn’t even have it at three stars yet. Going to be starting it today because I need battleship retrofit materials for Kearsarge.

[steady beacon]

You mean airspace control
Uhhhhhh... jeez, that you can't get over with four CVs is kinda rough ngl

[haughty dust]

well, I am not sure because it looks like the one in the left is airspace control, and that appears to be green. The one in the right is red, which appears to be SS detection. If I’m reading that right.

I think I took gear off of hood because I wasn’t using her currently so it might be Hood possibly

[steady beacon]

SS Detection is the numbers to the right

Nah, ships with no planes do not contribute to airspace control, so it's not Hood

[haughty dust]

ok

[steady beacon]

Can you click the red and show me what the numbers are please

[haughty dust]

Also hood does have gear on her. I’m not sure who it is, but it’s gonna take me a bit to get back to my computer so I can easily see which characters are selected there and which ones have what gear if any on them. It’s kind of hard to do on my phone.

actually, I think it’s Ticonderoga possibly.

[iron gust]

Alright HAHA I'll get 3 sets of black and white pencils before I get the oxytorp then. Prioritise back fleet anyways right?

[haughty dust]

looking at it closer, I think it’s Ticonderoga, and the German ship that are missing gear probably is what’s causing it

[steady beacon]

Yep, definitely
Oxytorps are very much a (very) late game investment
Unless you're crazy like me, anyway

[haughty dust]

I can make a thread if need be I was correct with my most recent post

[viscid swift]

Somehow I've done crazier....

[steady beacon]

Oh definitely
OK
Equip your carriers with planes and catapults for sure
You want to up their AVI to increase your airspace control

Of course, equip 46 as well, but uh
She isn't going to contribute to your airspace control

[haughty dust]

Well, any suggestions on gear? I don’t know how many catapults I even have left. I need some more but haven’t gotten any lately.

I can create a thread if need be.

[steady beacon]

Yep, that might help

[haughty dust]

12-3 hard mode gear

[atomic atlas]

best gun for sovetsky soyuz?

[frank pulsar]

depends

[viscid swift]

situationally dependent

[atomic atlas]

whats mostly used on her?

[worldly pewter]

the best of what u have

[weary fog]

is sextuple bofors or L60 bofors btr?

[warm flax]

Holy shi, lethal 3s is real

[viscid swift]

I reiterate

[viscid swift]

depends on the ship and the aa gun set up for the rest of the fleet

[steady beacon]

Because of how BB guns' modifiers are, the enemy you are fighting is very important for choosing her gun

[atomic atlas]

aw yeah that make sense tyy

[woven tendon]

is it a waste using pr6 bps on any ships that arent pr6?

[steady beacon]

If, for example, by pure statistics the "most common" gun on her were, say, her own gun
You can bring it to a light armoured boss fight and watch her perform horribly anyway

[viscid swift]

it depends, real broken record aren't I

like how many BPs you have, which ships you were gonna use them on, etc

[undone plover]

but generally yes. since pr4 and less is coinable and pr5 isnt exceptionally good. DR maybe a different story

[woven tendon]

about this many

[viscid swift]

at that point you may as well just save them to fast track Shimanto to dev 30

[undone plover]

do u have shimanto dev30? could save a few more events/medal rotations and will get enough for her

[woven tendon]

not even developed yet

[undone plover]

couple of events and u should have enough for her. i would save

[frozen phoenix]

Things to do as a newbie

[sharp comet]

can somebody give me a best-to-worst fleet tech to lvl for each vanguard hull type

[viscid swift]

if you mean for what to level
personally, I'm going cruiser eva > FP > Cruiser Hit > Cruiser Torp > Cruiser Reload > DD Torp/Hit/Reload

[grim siren]

Is grinding 13-4 better than 12-4 in terms of getting ships to lv 125 efficiently?

[eager mulch]

rip DD fp

[viscid swift]

notice I just said FP, not cruiser FP

[eager mulch]

rip my braincells

[viscid swift]

not particularly if only because W13 is that much harder to farm

[eager mulch]

seeing cruisers kite in wows has melted my brain

[whole crypt]

as someone whose only DDs used nowadays is basically Laffey II and Fortune META, DD FP is actually not that important

actually it doesn't even matter for Fortune since only PvP

[jaunty vault]

more DD FP means faster event clears with double DDG

thanks for coming to my TED talk

[whole crypt]

I actually stopped using double DDG

[strong tartan]

I've resorted to triple DDG

[jaunty vault]

revert back to mahans?

[jaunty vault]

27 oil poggies

[whole crypt]

well double DDGs mostly for C maps since D has main fleet reqs
A is 0LBs B is depending on mood

[jaunty vault]

haya 1.5 times richer than me

[strong tartan]

yeah 25k oil for what

[whole crypt]

I haven't seen above 15k oil for a while now

usually if I get really lazy with B maps it's just Laffey or Yuudachi plus either 0LB or Unicorn

[jaunty vault]

i hit 23k friday and i still had weekly 4k to collect
had to grind hard worh thaf

[whole crypt]

well I've been doing 14-1 and 13-1 nonstop lately

[viscid swift]

I literally hit 0 oil yesterday

[whole crypt]

scamcat financing

[jaunty vault]

i could move to 14-1 but its at lethal and dont wanna make ir safe

[whole crypt]

14-1 safe isn't really relevant anyway, the real tests aren't in -1

bottom line anything that works for 14-2 will work for 14-1 so you could just work backwards

[gilded shale]

Which map should I farm in w11?

[frank pulsar]

11-1, but youre better off pushing to 12-1 and farming there instead

its easier anyway

[steep merlin]

Why does nelson take sm dmg in 10-1?

[strong tartan]

suicide boats?

[steep merlin]

She in the middle idk

[strong tartan]

show your equip

[atomic abyss]

10-1, it's fire lol

[strong tartan]

oh how did I forget

[soft raft]

give her a fire extingusher

[atomic abyss]

also, 10-1 boss does indeed have the suicide boat train

[strong tartan]

put a fire extinguisher on her

[steep merlin]

Oh I will

[strong tartan]

yeah but I scratched that off since enty and uni were fine

[atomic abyss]

i mean this is the point where 1 fleeting gets you punished assuming you don't have the right gear

[steep merlin]

should I keep the fire estinguisher for the whole world 10?

[atomic abyss]

and w11, yes

[steep merlin]

okay will do

[strong tartan]

I forgot when you should worry about fires again is it W14?

[jaunty vault]

what fires

[steep merlin]

for now she has type 1 ap shell and super heavy shell wich one do I swap out?...

[strong tartan]

the one in your house right now omg go put it out

[novel condor]

the one in your oven, now go put it out

[jaunty vault]

too lazy

[novel condor]

me with 14 4

[strong tartan]

me with the whole game, actually

[jaunty vault]

literally easier than 14-3

[novel condor]

its harder somehow wtf

[strong tartan]

super heavy shit

[novel condor]

my boss fleet got major skill issue ok coop smh,I dont have many URs like u do

[jaunty vault]

ectl people cleared 14-4 with nagatto hiryuu souryuu

[novel condor]

ykw I think I need gelp with 14 4 boss, ima post my fleet lmao

[jaunty vault]

make a thread

[gilded shale]

Which map should I farm in w10?

[atomic abyss]

none of them, move to w12
if not possible, w11

[whole crypt]

if you can't get past 10 then 9-1 is better XP/oil

[gilded shale]

I can clear w11 but I can't farm it

[whole crypt]

clear some more, safe will make it easier

[atomic abyss]

^
there is like a 30% exp increase from 10-4 to 11-1 so...

[novel condor]

Help with 14-4 boss ty

[lone vigil]

is cleveland worth using as new player

[viscid swift]

there's better options than her

[atomic abyss]

for a new player, the 3 frontliners to prioritise are portland, your starter and helena

[viscid swift]

might want to give that a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[lone vigil]

already using that guide im just making a second fleet

[atomic abyss]

are you at w9 yet?

[sullen pebble]

Hi everyone, I've got a question, for a Dragon Empery Vanguard is Chang Chun or Tai Yuan stronger? Ty for the help^^

[jaunty vault]

solo taiyuan

if in an NP fleet chang

[atomic abyss]

[sullen pebble]

would be a full fleet with 3 DE vanguards

[atomic abyss]

well as long as the frontline is full, ty kai works ye

[steady beacon]

"Solo Tai Yuan" could create misunderstandings tbh lol

[atomic abyss]

^

[jaunty vault]

probably chang cause she buffs DE too

[sullen pebble]

what do you mean?

[steady beacon]

I mean, CC also buffs Chinese ships so like
I could see this falling either way and being decided on the margins
Possibly depending on whether there is any Russian (or, God forbid, Chinese) ships in the backline

[jaunty vault]

what is your DE vang

[atomic abyss]

tai yuan has a skill that wants her to be in full frontlines, that's all

[jaunty vault]

[steady beacon]

Tai Yuan's yellow skill requires her to sortie in a full fleet (six ships)
So if you ran her solo vanguard she loses her entire yellow skill

[novel condor]

[jaunty vault]

shitty mechanics

[sullen pebble]

Yat Sen, An Shan, +?

[strong tartan]

har er bin

maybe

[sullen pebble]

the "?" should be Chang Chun or Tai Yuan for the start, dont have Harbin yet

[strong tartan]

Oh

[steady beacon]

Oh if it's An Shan... hmmmm
I wonder if anyone's ever calculated this lol
But uh... heck, let's ask... who is in your backline?

[jaunty vault]

chang is better either ways in that comp

[steady beacon]

Instinctively that's probably right

[whole crypt]

Yat Sen Chang Chun Tai Yuan

[steady beacon]

But Tai is cuter so I'd use her ngl

[jaunty vault]

nuh uh

[sullen pebble]

I've read somewhere that Tais barrage is aimed and that paired with here reload buff she gets better then Chun, but I dont know how much impact Chuns fleetbuff has on a full Vanguard so my question here

[steady beacon]

Indeed, there are quite a few factors to consider and uh... to be quite honest, I've never myself seen a calculation for this lol, but I feel instinctively it is not going to be a large difference no matter which combination of Yat Sen + any two DDGs out of the three you use
What are you using this for, just out of curiosity

[sullen pebble]

For starters farming exp for Harbin, after that maybe event and opsi grind, dont think it will hold its own in w14 but Im not quite there yet so not sure

[worldly pewter]

doesn't the faction doesn't have good backline ships so the buffs are kinda wasted

[steady beacon]

Chang Chun buffs Russian backline also

[whole crypt]

Chang Chun buffs DE and NP so you could work with Soyuz as well

[viscid swift]

are they maxed? because it's a waste to use maxed ship for grinding XP, or any not particularly difficult grind for that matter

[whole crypt]

actually since it affects RLD she'll also buff Volga somewhat, but probably won't make the difference of a launch

oh wait main fleet buff is AA... so meh

[sullen pebble]

rld only for Vang not for main

[steady beacon]

If it's just experience farming... uh... any of the three are going to work lol, the difference isn't going to be earth shattering
W14... well... that's one where more careful consideration would be demanded, but I would save worrying about that for when you do reach World 14

[whole crypt]

so only FP for Soyuz
AA is nice? just not much

but yeh if they're not maxed yet then any combination of them
if they're maxed you might want to use other DE ships

[sullen pebble]

But thats good to know for now I was already leaning towards Chun, so if nobody here starts screaming that she is outclassed by Tai I will take her for her fleet/faction buffs 🙂 Thank you everyone for your help^^

[whole crypt]

like I said you can use Yat Sen/Chang Chun/Tai Yuan since An Shan only buffs An Shan class

[sullen pebble]

all DDG are Anshan class?

[whole crypt]

yes, but Yat Sen isn't

[sullen pebble]

Yat sen is there to tank so that the squishy little DDGs stay alive^^

or is the eva buff von Anshan good enought?

[atomic abyss]

they're... not actually that squishy

[steady beacon]

Honestly, I'm actually willing to believe
Triple DDG vanguard
Isn't necessarily impossible

They're... quite sturdy for destroyers

[atomic abyss]

depends on what content admittedly, but by DD standards they are fairly tanky

[viscid swift]

sounds a lot more hassle than it's worth tbh

[sullen pebble]

To use 3 DDGs?

[viscid swift]

yes

[whole crypt]

DDGs aren't that squishy and Yat Sen is substantial enough for a buff to do something

[soft raft]

just do like Yat Sen/Tai Yuan/Harbin or some shit like that

[whole crypt]

he's grinding XP for Harbin or something

[atomic abyss]

he's grinding for harbin lol

[strong tartan]

he doesn't haveharvard

[soft raft]

oh lol

[whole crypt]

and the thing is if it's just run of the mill ch12 CDC farm use anything

I'm pretty sure DDGs weren't part of my roster for Harbin grind and that went fine

in fact Yat Sen retrofit shouldn't have been either, so it was just any 3 DE shitters

[soft raft]

yeah
Iirc Harbin was before Yat Sen retro so I did the old china wall to grind her out

[worldly pewter]

he looks like he is into the DE faction just hiding behind the exp mission

[strong tartan]

huh

[atomic abyss]

[eager mulch]

what

[tame jungle]

?

[steady beacon]

Ngl, in hindsight, my Harbin grind was Fu Shun + the two then DDGs
Who were already at 125/3mil
Because at some point you give up on efficiency
I think I did something just as bad for Flan

[worldly pewter]

can someone explain to me this
from the fleet tech in wiki

[tame jungle]

The tempesta ships

[worldly pewter]

oh they are specialized in subs

[eager mulch]

no, they’re 3 types of sailing frigates

split between main fleet, vanguard fleet, and sub fleet

[forest palm]

I guess people missed the memo on this

[inland shoal]

This is true, but I doubt I'd be at that point yet if I had your dock

[eager mulch]

they do stuff like this

[steady beacon]

How do you know what's in my dock though? 👀

[eager mulch]

because he’s a mod

[inland shoal]

I'm a mod

Oh I shouldn't have said that

[steady beacon]

[eager mulch]

[steady beacon]

Actually, in hindsight, I did it for Kear too...
Ye, just plain old inefficiency all round, really
I wanna say my reasoning was using maxed ships to drag the vanguard up but that's assuming there was any reasoning behind it apart from sheer laziness to pick some new ships...

[worldly pewter]

how much does it take to max a meta ship skills assuming it has 3 ?

[tame jungle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/META_Lab

[inland shoal]

Maybe half a minute (if you have the books)

[steady beacon]

How much what
Because it depends on whether you use some books
And the "natural" experience grind depends because it's daily capped

[tame jungle]

It really depends on what you can do

• resources

[worldly pewter]

excluding the books i meant

just by the 30k exp per day

there are 2 tables but i m kinda confused

oh nvm it is 190k for 1 skill so 570 for 3

[vale spindle]

Before hunter meta, the elite meta ships also used gold skill books to unlock their skills and also had more similar scaling to the gold meta ships

but then they changed it so elite meta ships are easier to level

[worldly pewter]

the one i m working on now is the ark meta so it is SR

[vale spindle]

Then use the first table

[worldly pewter]

19 days at least then

[vale spindle]

number of meta skill exp books = cumulative amount / (exp/book)

or yea number of days assuming u meet the cap per day u can math that using cumulative too

[worldly pewter]

i m trying to maximize on the exp per day before using the books which i think i don't have that many of

[crisp wadi]

About the next mt, cmiiw iirc the jp ver need to redownload all the data, do en will do it too?

[viscid swift]

yes

[atomic abyss]

yes as per latest tweet

[slate forge]

what does a typical daily routine look like? ive been playing al on and off for a while now but super casually mostly collecting girls and outfits. ive recently started again and im interested into going more indepth with the other aspects of the game like gear, research, and whatever else there is that i dont know of lmao

[jaunty vault]

do your daily missions and get to farming stages
what stages you farm depends on what you want to do in the game

[keen sable]

Hard mode + ops is the bare minimum

[viscid swift]

well I guess doing your dailies, cycling through commissions, making sure the research queue is full, doing opsi daily missions, clearing your daily META showdown fights, doing all your PvP attempts, and grinding W12 or the event if it's going on, among others

[keen sable]

Plus a bunch of reward button tapping

[slate forge]

to get to these opsi daily missions i ahve to finish the campaign right? ive barely done any of the siren stuff

[keen sable]

Ops campaign yes

[tame jungle]

Is the gold sonar even worth using anymore

[atomic abyss]

nada

[tame jungle]

Free plates