gameplay-help

[true spruce]

the game isn't hard until the late game, you don't need to minmax at the beginning

[steady beacon]

Never, because prototype cores are infinitely harder to get than ship exp

[smoky palm]

Btw, now that Ive gotten 3 white shells, 3 black shells, and Independance.. what are the next best things to buy with core data?..

[warm flax]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

The answer is... Wait till next month?

[wraith oyster]

how good is the ur sovetsky?

[steady beacon]

Hmmmmmm... ngl, I'd be tempted into those cogs lol
You can never have enough... but early on, I would understand if you may not want to get them yet...

[smoky palm]

I've seen that.. just wasnt sure if you had any personal recommendations.. of if only 3 of each shell isnt enough..

[atomic abyss]

As with most if not any UR, very very good
But ofc they need MLB

[smoky palm]

I feel like im pretty good on cogs for now..

[wraith oyster]

she better in boss or mob?

[steady beacon]

Please share some

[steady beacon]

She can competently do either

[atomic abyss]

Generally I'd say boss

[wraith oyster]

currently boss main fleet is musashi, shinano, enty

[steady beacon]

But ye, I'd agree with that too
Especially because boss fleet maximises the effect of her (completely and utterly batshit insane) cross-fleet

[wraith oyster]

helping friend build their fleets

[smoky palm]

@atomic abyss Would you say 3 white + 3 black shells isnt enough yet btw? considering I can just move them around my ships.. or what would you personally recommend off that list..

like is anything worth grabbing for Subs?..

[warm flax]

Get what you need

If you feel like you're lacking shells

[steady beacon]

You can grab the sub stuff, if you want... but the suitability will depend on whether you intend to raise a functional sub fleet in the near future... if not, there might be other, more pressing needs worth attending to first

[wraith oyster]

mob fleet: fdg, uni, yorktown2/independence boss fleet: musashi, shinano, enty. who would she replace in these?

[warm flax]

What content

[wraith oyster]

3 of each should be enough, 4 would definitely be enough

[wraith oyster]

w11+

[warm flax]

if w11 then kick enty

Otherwise more than enough

[wraith oyster]

friend has sovetsky and hasnt been raising her and i was like uh what

[atomic abyss]

...if anything I suppose FdG for the later maps

Also, just to confirm, Soyuz right

There are 3 ships with Sovetsky in the name

[wraith oyster]

the ur bb

[warm flax]

actually there's two

[smoky palm]

Well rn I have U-96 and U-37 for SR ironblood subs.. was planning on either targetting U-81 or U-47 as one of my two ships for the wishing well later this month so I could have a full wolf pack sub team.. rn the SR's in these pics ive checked off are what I have

[wraith oyster]

also hes been using independence but i told him to swap independence with york2

[atomic abyss]

I mean, independence is fine tho

If the york2 isn't MLB then...

It isn't even a contest

[wraith oyster]

its mlb

[smoky palm]

Ofc I plan to target Perseus as my other wishing well ship since I really really want her and dont have a copy yet

[warm flax]

Actually only one

[atomic abyss]

Well
You will want more carriers for the late game maps past w11

[wraith oyster]

his sovetsky is not mlb, im debating telling him to mlb it and use it but not sure if he needs to, i think so

[atomic abyss]

If he has not MLB Soyuz, hold off

[wraith oyster]

i dont personally have sovetsky so idk

[wraith oyster]

i mean mlb before using

[atomic abyss]

There is likely going to be another UR coming this month

[warm flax]

Might need Soy for 14

[atomic abyss]

And we don't know how good she'll be

[steady beacon]

Yep, wolf pack is an excellent choice
Just note that wishing well can be brutal, so you'll have to watch your cube expenditure

[smoky palm]

Between U-81 and U-47 which would you all pick to pair with U-37 and U-96 in a wolf pack sub team btw? wasnt sure who to target during wishing well..

[atomic abyss]

Musashi and FdG are more than enough for his intents and purposes

[jaunty vault]

81

[warm flax]

81

[steady beacon]

U-81 bc U-47 is the lone wolf and lacks a wolf pack skill

[atomic abyss]

81

[smoky palm]

I have 455 cubes saved rn in prep for wishing well / the next UR wish CN Anni

[wraith oyster]

is musashi better than nj and bismarckzwei for boss fleet?

[frank pulsar]

musashi is worse than zwei, better than nj

[dusk maple]

replacing 37 or 96 with augmented 47 doesn't change the team dmg btw

[atomic abyss]

Musashi will likely end up in the mob replacing fdg if anything...

[jaunty vault]

wouldn't call musashi worse than zwei

[steady beacon]

Huh, did ENTL finally come around to Flasher 👀
I swore she was in T1...

[warm flax]

Isn't it ever since

[steady beacon]

Oh, that's quite nice to know, cheers
Still stuck in circa 2022 I feel sometimes lol

[warm flax]

I don't have Painlevi, she better than Volga?

[atomic abyss]

Volga is only directly competing with Aquila lol

[south sequoia]

I think the right wording would be musashi has less uses compared to zwei

[jaunty vault]

she doesn't?

id argue musashi is more useful

unless this is a boss only context

[south sequoia]

In a boss only context musashi would have less uses
If we talk in general they're on equal ground

[south sequoia]

She'd be competing with shouhou/unicorn

Problem with painleve is the shorter the battle is the less useful she becomes

[jaunty vault]

are you thinking persus

[south sequoia]

If I was thinking perseus why would I say she'd be worse in shorter battles

[jaunty vault]

[steady beacon]

I think he means the bit about Shouhou?

I mean, have I missed something where Shouhou is even remotely on the same ground as Unicorn?

[jaunty vault]

no i had brainfart

shouhou retro better than non retro uni

[steady beacon]

God, we're comparing on that basis are we?

[jaunty vault]

no we aren't

[south sequoia]

Painleve is about better/same ground as shouhou I think, one of her issues being her heal occurring 5 seconds after her initial strike

[jaunty vault]

dont think thats much of a problem

[south sequoia]

Depends on the content really

[jaunty vault]

just use uni lel

[wind hazel]

who even uses shouhou

[south sequoia]

Though, if the fights were that short I dont think it would even matter who you use

[jaunty vault]

that was my thinking, yes

[steady beacon]

That sums it up

[jaunty vault]

CV RLD +1

[wind hazel]

then we'd be discussing even dumber stuff like that's competing with chen hai and hwah jah etc

[south sequoia]

Im pretty sure they were joking

[jaunty vault]

no jokes in gph

[steady beacon]

I mean, I don't think we're generally in the habit of defending the actual usability of most tech ships...

[gusty dagger]

any of the new muses good?

[warm flax]

How does 2nd floor work?

[south sequoia]

Formi muse is ehh
Noshi muse potential
Eugen muse good

[wind hazel]

extra morale regen, that's it

[south sequoia]

No exp, pure morale recovery

[gusty dagger]

cool thanks

[warm flax]

Does it multiply your dorm slot?

[wind hazel]

and uh... you can place more furniture for better mood

[south sequoia]

Sort of

[gusty dagger]

it gives morale but no xp

[south sequoia]

You still retain the same amount of dorm slots from how many you bought in the first floor

[warm flax]

I see

Does 1st floor still simultaneously recover morale too?

[south sequoia]

Yes

[steady beacon]

It does, albeit at a slightly reduced rate to floor 2

[south sequoia]

Don't be fooled by the loss of exp gain, extra morale goes a long way

[eternal basalt]

+dorm is only way to surpass 120 and get a XP boost

[frank pulsar]

^^^^ exp gain barely helps anyway

what is that react supposed to mean

[wraith oyster]

whats the absolute best way to get more exp books

[frank pulsar]

sortie more with lv100+ ships

[wraith oyster]

all i do is sortie with 100+ ships

[frank pulsar]

where you do it matters too, usually people farm in 12-1 or 12-4

[jaunty vault]

what lvl is your academy

[frank pulsar]

if you were to farm in a place like the current muse event then youll barely get any

[eternal basalt]

people ain't work around 3000 limit?

[jaunty vault]

it aint hard to hit the academy exp cap

[frank pulsar]

idk ive never hit the exp book cap

in fact, never had more than 1k at any point

[sweet delta]

in fact, I remember you said you only log in once a day

[jaunty vault]

in fact, i remember you said you barely play the game

[crisp estuary]

[jaunty vault]

in fact, i wasnt even talking about the exp book cap

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

Even this inactive fuck has managed to cap on his exp books

[jaunty vault]

smh eanki, stop being inactive

[crisp estuary]

Rude. You do not have to cuss me

[atomic abyss]

Ok maybe I'm exaggerating as to how inactive I am

As for shipwright, I don't know

He's just dropping them emilesips

The pros of being semi retired I suppose

[gusty dagger]

do we have any idea about upcoming UR reruns at all?

[atomic abyss]

Wasn't referring to you earlier

[eternal basalt]

No, but end May new UR

[wraith oyster]

are yat sen, reisalin, scylla, or helena better than jeanne d arc in my boss fleet with bismarckzwei, nj, implacable, guam, shima?

[crisp estuary]

I know. I was following up on cooper's comment to me

[atomic abyss]

See, JDA being in use is contingent on "is your frontline dying"

If anything, I might be more interested in replacing Shima first lol

[wraith oyster]

my front line is not dying

[atomic abyss]

As in, would your frontline die without JDA

[wraith oyster]

shima is my best dps, i use shima in boss and yuu in mob

[wraith oyster]

idk

depends how tanky guam is i would say

[atomic abyss]

If Shima is your best dps, what the hell is your backline doing

[wraith oyster]

i mean for van

[atomic abyss]

I guess
Try replacing JDA for Helena and see if the fleet dies

[wraith oyster]

im pretty strapped on dds. not sure if any of them are worth anything besides my shima and yuu

[atomic abyss]

Yat Sen is pointless if she does not have another Chinese ship to bounce with (the DDGs)

[frank pulsar]

boss fleet where? if this is like campaign or smth i would use scylla, if opsi id use helena

[distant estuary]

What is the best server? I alr have one back then IG it's called avrora, should I change it?

[atomic abyss]

Ryza is best on mob

[wraith oyster]

w12-15

[atomic abyss]

If you change server, you start afresh so

Just stick with what you already have

[frank pulsar]

w13+ needs specialised fleets, for w12 just use scylla

[distant estuary]

Ah I see ok tysm sir

[atomic abyss]

W12 is easy enough that really anything can work tbh...

[wraith oyster]

u guys know the gear loadout for scylla?

[atomic abyss]

W13/15 require different teams from w14

Scylla should be what, 76, quad mags, twin 57, toolbox rudder?

[wraith oyster]

would my jda gear work for scylla?

[frank pulsar]

(blue) 76mm aa gun, 533mm triple magnetic torps , whatever good aa gun you have, rudder and toolbox

[atomic abyss]

No, Scylla uses DD guns instead
And that's an absolute horrendous main gun wtf

And more importantly, why are non of your auxes upgraded

[wraith oyster]

its the recommended gun for jda

[atomic abyss]

[wraith oyster]

low on aux parts, prioritized my main tank and shima with the enhanced ones

[frank pulsar]

even for poverty options there are better, not sure what guide you are following

[atomic abyss]

At least +6 them bruh

And yeah, what guide are you following

[frank pulsar]

like, this is the recommended poverty cl gun

[atomic abyss]

Even guides from 2018 should not be recommending the purple triple 152...

[wind hazel]

inb4 youtube

[atomic abyss]

That gun is like, budget budget 155

[frank pulsar]

and this gun is best for scylla until you get the rainbow dd gun

[wraith oyster]

idk it was in a thread and someone gave me a full build for each of my ships, i dont remember who

[atomic abyss]

I'm pretty sure they meant one of the gold 152s

Or the rainbow 152s

[wraith oyster]

nah they sent pic and i followed the pic

[steady beacon]

Then they lied to you

[wind hazel]

renhex showed a totally different gun than what you're using

[icy mountain]

hood's finally better with this right?

[steady beacon]

Yep
Guaranteed barrage, among other things, is a magnificent thing

[wind hazel]

from your thread

[atomic abyss]

Yeah that's what I found too

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

That is most definitely NOT the same gun as what you have equipped

[steady beacon]

[wraith oyster]

oh i looked back, yeah i have the gun there but didnt swap cause i didnt have the upgrades for main gun

[atomic abyss]

[wraith oyster]

figured i use the +10 i have instead

[atomic abyss]

It's just... Bad even by poverty standards

I'd unironically scrap the thing and at least recover some of the materials used

[wraith oyster]

which reminds me, are the octuple pom poms any good at all

[atomic abyss]

The only poverty use that thing is as a BB aux gun

Well better a gold AA than a purple one
But you could do way better

I would strongly suggest you stick to w12 or events for the foreseeable future

You need the upgrade parts from somewhere

[wraith oyster]

was wondering if i could scrap any of these enhanced aa guns or if i keep them

[atomic abyss]

W13 might still be doable
But w14 and w15 would likely be night impossible

Another thing, don't upgrade just any stuff past +10

[stable badger]

how bad is Takao's challenge? haven't tried it yet

[atomic abyss]

Very few stuff are worth upgrading past +10

You did correctly identify the twin 113 being the best gun for AA carries

And that Hazemeyers belong on backliners

[wraith oyster]

honestly only because of the pic from my thread lol

[inner delta]

Not that bad

[atomic abyss]

Most other CLs and CAs are fine with the Bofors

While I wouldn't say scrap any of the other gold AA...

I would hold off upgrading anymore pom poms or 105s...

Twin 40s can be chucked on DDs or CVLs

[wraith oyster]

which reminds me, why do yuu and shima wants quads when most vanguard want twin 113

[atomic abyss]

Not all

[wraith oyster]

i said most 🙂

[atomic abyss]

Very few vanguards want the 113

[wraith oyster]

huh

[atomic abyss]

113 should be prioritised for the best if anything

If you chuck 113 on everything there's going to be other issues instead

[wraith oyster]

so guam unzen sandy and jeanne are considered aa carries?

[atomic abyss]

Sandy and Guam yes
The rest no

[wraith oyster]

i knew sandy is but not the rest

[next saffron]

How do i get rid of these special equipments?

[frank pulsar]

only guam and sandy are aa carries, jda is utility and unzen is dps

[frank pulsar]

feed them to other augments

[wraith oyster]

so what makes jda and unzen want the twin 113 over the bofors

[atomic abyss]

There's an argument to be made that they don't tbh
But frankly AA min maxing is just...

Painful

[wraith oyster]

so really, the twin 113 or bofors could go on them and be fine?

[frank pulsar]

yes

[atomic abyss]

I personally prefer a mix
But the key thing to take note is
Prioritise the 113 on stuff with strong AA

[eternal basalt]

Sandy and Guam want sexy AA

[frank pulsar]

if you have twin 90mm its direct upgrade to the quad bofors

[atomic abyss]

Sexy AA = Sextuple Bofors

[frank pulsar]

they have likely have none considering where they are at right now

[wraith oyster]

i dont have twin 90

[atomic abyss]

Twin 113 it is then

Priority stuff like Sandy Guam Laffey II, Cheshire

[wraith oyster]

think i scrapped my sextuple bofors

what do they look like

[atomic abyss]

Wtf
It's not something you just get randomly ya know

/wiki Sextuple

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Sextuple_40mm_Bofors

[wraith oyster]

oh then i probably didnt get any

yeah never had those

i can craft one

[wraith oyster]

should i craft these

[next saffron]

Thanks!

[eternal basalt]

If you need then (12H, 14+)

[frank pulsar]

yea craft them

[wraith oyster]

which ones

[frank pulsar]

the sexy bofors

[eternal basalt]

Oh, that craft... then yes

[frank pulsar]

twin 90 and staag bofors are also worth crafting

[wraith oyster]

the prototype twin 90 model 1939?

[frank pulsar]

yes

[wraith oyster]

looking for staag

[frank pulsar]

this one

[wraith oyster]

okay i crafted all i could

[frank pulsar]

its best on backline

[wraith oyster]

actually, can i make a thread and post all the stuff i can craft and u help?

[frank pulsar]

ask ender or smth, i gtg and actually do my work lol
i slack too much

[steady beacon]

Sure, feel free

[wraith oyster]

gear craft help

[stable badger]

Frontier Medal skill applies on in PvP? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Frontier_Medal

[steady beacon]

It applies ONLY in PvP

Alas, it cannot save them from what Kear/Soyuz/LaffeyII did to them

[stable badger]

so, in pve is simply a glorified Catapult...

[steady beacon]

Essentially, yes

[lament hazel]

tomorrow = event end right?

[steady beacon]

Yep

[rapid grail]

pretty good if you know how to equip your CV fleet in pvp

otherwise you can use it as a +10/13 gold catapult sidegrade in pve contents since the effect will not proc in pve*

[steady beacon]

You mean PvE 👀

[rapid grail]

Ja. Typo.

[steep merlin]

How is she?

[rapid grail]

Collection. She do look cute though

[steep merlin]

Thats a shame she looks so cute

[gusty dagger]

is 12-4 or 13-4 better for gold/xp?

[wraith oyster]

Would these fleets do well in OpSi?

Fdg, uni, york2- unzen, yuudachi, sandy

Bismarckzwei, nj, impacable- guam, shimakaze, jda/scylla

[rapid grail]

13-4 for the gold, 12-4 for xp overall

[gusty dagger]

👌

[rapid grail]

Mob is missing a tank; Unzen is quite squishy for a CA

As for the boss, itis common to see 3 BB and 3 CV fleets to deal with bosses. Sure that'll work but you can do better w/ better ships

[steep merlin]

Should I put saint louis here instead of roon/eugen?

[gusty dagger]

who is JDA? it rings 0 bells

[rapid grail]

Jeanne d'Arc

[gusty dagger]

aaaaaaa ok i c

[rapid grail]

Focus on using MLB ships for now, don't rly bother with using non-MLB ships for clearing content

[steep merlin]

I can MLB who I want here but Im not gonna MLB prinz eugen if saint louis MLB is better than her, I just wanted to know who's better

Also this is 2nd fleet so im not using it as of now until its completed

[wraith oyster]

i wouldnt invest much into st louis

[rapid grail]

eugen muse
Make Roon dev30+ the tank, Helena mid, and Eugen muse offtank

[steep merlin]

Oke ty

Like this?

[wraith oyster]

yes

[silver lintel]

Eh i use unzen tank for strongholds and most abyssals just fine

[rapid grail]

Worked for you, fair enough.

[torn raft]

should i lmb shinano right now or wait until the next ur event?

[wraith oyster]

by full combo in the event is it just defeat all enemies?

[jaunty vault]

yes

without losing

aka get atleast a B rank in all fights

fortunately you only need to do it once

[jaunty vault]

how much spec core do you have

[torn raft]

this and 2048 cores remaining

[jaunty vault]

id wait

also don't buy UR bulins if youre unsure whether youre using them or not

[wraith oyster]

i agree on waiting

[iron gust]

Hey guys! Returned to this game after awhile and was wondering which vanguard I should switch out for laffey 2 if any, laffey and Guam are both 3 stars thx 🙂

[south sequoia]

If both are not at max limit break you should not be using either

[iron gust]

Ah alr thx and which would you say I should prioritise limit breaking first?

[south sequoia]

I'd say guam

[warm flax]

Is that a 5 star Musashi

[wraith oyster]

yes

[south sequoia]

Oh god I just realized that musashi

[iron gust]

Shhh you don't see that fr

[south sequoia]

Disregard what I said, finish that musashi first
and zwei if she isn't max limit break

Backline ships take priority over vanguard

[iron gust]

HAHA alright

[wraith oyster]

whats the point of a dorm 2nd floor

[atomic abyss]

Faster morale regen

[south sequoia]

No exp over time, but don't let that fool you

Faster morale regen is very valuable when farming

[wraith oyster]

so with 3 dorm spots should i prioritize floor 2 or getting more dorm spots

[south sequoia]

floor 2

[wraith oyster]

whats a good comfort number to aim for

[south sequoia]

3 dorm spots would be enough in my opinion, I'd push for 4 if you're wise with your dock space

[wraith oyster]

do certain furniture pieces give more morale than others or should i just be buying whatever i can

[south sequoia]

I'm not exactly sure, but I'd recommend just buying sets whenever you can with dorm coins

[atomic abyss]

Yes some do, but it caps

But it's a pain to go and pick and choose

[wraith oyster]

i have 12k dorm coins saved up so just not wanting to waste them

my comfort level is 276 with my morale at 40/h

[atomic abyss]

Morale restoration is fixed

[south sequoia]

You can't change the speed of morale restoration in first and second floor

[atomic abyss]

First floor is 40/h, second is 50/h
What comfort changes is the exp

[wraith oyster]

oh so whole point of 2nd floor is just to go from 40 to 50?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

Which is fast enough to almost completely counteract normal morale lost lmao

[south sequoia]

It may not seem much at first, but it keeps them in a good mood for longer periods of time

The passive exp lost is negligible

[sinful elk]

Chat which one should i buy

[novel condor]

everything

[sinful elk]

And how do i get more of the purple token

[novel condor]

u do strongholds, defeat bosses or unlock new zones

[sinful elk]

Dawg really?

[wraith oyster]

yeah but with only 3 slots idk how i could manage to keep sortie

[novel condor]

ok maybe not the HP pack but the others quite good

[sinful elk]

It seems i need to grind for more those purple token

[novel condor]

you can split your fleet? 3 in floor 1 and 3 in floor 2

[atomic abyss]

3 top, 3 below...?

[wraith oyster]

it says it doesnt unlock any additional slots

[sinful elk]

How do you get that much

[south sequoia]

It does not, whatever slots you have in your first floor it would also have the same in the second floor

[wraith oyster]

so technically it unlocks 3 slots?

[south sequoia]

sort of

[atomic abyss]

It unlocks the same number of slots you have below

[wraith oyster]

they should reword this honestly

[mighty jasper]

resting > training lol

[atomic abyss]

It's correct
You don't get any more training slots for exp

[wraith oyster]

so if im levelling ships in my fleet i should make sure they're on f1 while my maxed lvl are on f2

[mighty jasper]

pretty much

[wraith oyster]

how good is eugen muse?

[novel condor]

shes aight

[atomic abyss]

Eh

[wraith oyster]

how about compared to normal eugen/ heinrich

[atomic abyss]

Heinrich is just better

Frailer than normal Eugen, but with more dps

[south sequoia]

Good mob tank but not that amazing

[atomic abyss]

Just use Heinrich, or if you have her Carl

Carl is just better than all of em

[sinful elk]

Is there a list of effects detail like flooding and armor break

[atomic abyss]

Nope

Too many to list tbh

[sinful elk]

What they actually do then

[atomic abyss]

A lot of them don't even have visible indication

Flood is like burn, a DoT

[plain saffron]

visual effects or just list of all of them?

[atomic abyss]

Armour break... Depends
There's a few different kind of armour breaks lol

But they increase a certain kind of damage source basically

[plain saffron]

burn is enemy on fire
armor break have broke shield icon
flood not sure

[wraith oyster]

is heinrich better than saint louis?

[atomic abyss]

If the Louis is developed

[wraith oyster]

i have 400bps for louis if i finish her

[atomic abyss]

Louis is frailer but much better dps

But save the blank BPs for other things

[plain saffron]

i have questions on why you have 400 bps on louis

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations#Damage_Over_Time_(DOT)
if you want list this have it

[wraith oyster]

from long time ago

[atomic abyss]

[sinful elk]

Idk volga skills apply armor break it just say that lol

[plain saffron]

there's only 2 types

normal, id 401
unique, other id than 401
different id stacks, same id refreshes

armor break = increase FP dmg taken
musashi and that one other ship doesn't have armor break, it's a mistranslation

reworded for easier understanding

[blazing shale]

The 1st floor also restores morale?

[atomic abyss]

Always has

[sinful elk]

Sooo after Hood who should i continue raising

Belorussiya?

[plain saffron]

and you can know if it's unique armor break by reading the skills desc, it says special armor break usually

[sinful elk]

Normal armor break make the ship takes more dmg but for how much %

[wraith oyster]

so what are the pr/dr ship priorities after fdg, anchorage, and agir?

[atomic abyss]

Yes
Then AvP

[wraith oyster]

avp before going to pr5/6?

[atomic abyss]

I mean, you'll also want to do up Haku yes

Completing AvP and Anchorage means they won't pop in with their researches

[wraith oyster]

i think i have around 100 avp bp

[steady beacon]

Actually, just out of curiosity...
Since Musashi's lightning's debuff is (at least, as far as I know) universal, it would be an InjureRatio type effect (or, I guess, what I would probably call a DMG taken up effect), rather than InjureRatioByBullet as armour break normally would fall under, correct?

[fluid brook]

Its not a debuff its an Armor break

Oh so its the other way around

[plain saffron]

it's an injureRatio yeah

[vivid panther]

uh... this'll be very late reply but here is my current formation. I am on ch 7-1

[silk sphinx]

Was your question on whether to swap z23 for Laffey?

[wooden kindle]

Question, what should I use my rainbow blueprints on for gear lab?

[keen sable]

All ships are going to look horribly bad when they're underleveled, under limit breaked and more compared to that NJ

[wooden kindle]

What do you mean by that?

[steady beacon]

Gear Lab, not DR/PR prints 👀
Uh... Wyverns are usually the first option

[wooden kindle]

How many Wyverns do I need?

[keen sable]

#bot-spam /gearlab

[wooden kindle]

I got 3 Wyverns. Do I need more? I have 64 UR gear design plans or should I use them for something else?

[inland shoal]

With that many UR prints you're most likely at the do whatever you feel like stage

[steady beacon]

You have 64
Hmmmm... 3 is a pretty decent number, although you may find yourself wanting more for higher campaign... but with that many spare, you can always consider investment in other things first...
Like the L/60 (UR AA gun), or the Akizuki Kai (rainbow DD gun)...
Lots of ways to skin the cat, as always

[inland shoal]

More than 3 Wyverns are rarely used

[jaunty vault]

unless

[steady beacon]

Ye that sounds about right

[jaunty vault]

you wanna +20 AVI for w15 support fleet

[wooden kindle]

Like the L/60 (UR AA gun), or the Akizuki Kai (rainbow DD gun)...

How many of those do I need?

And thanks for the helpful responses btw.

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... some would probably say "need" zero...
I personally think somewhere between 3-4 L/60s are very nice to have for W15, but you can live with fewer or without them
Akizuki Kais are dictated by how many DDs you intend to use at once... for instance, I have four, but I think I'm a bit weird with the number of DDs I generally use at once

... I feel like I'm forgetting something else UR blueprints can be used for...

[vivid panther]

Yes

[wooden kindle]

I haven't gotten to world 15 yet xD. I'm not even on world 14. D:

Twin 100mm type 98s

And 18" MKA

[steady beacon]

Ohh right, the rainbow quintuple magnetic torpedoes
Although if you have a good stock of the gold quadruple magnetic torpedoes, you don't really need to worry too much about the quint mags, maybe consider one or two if you have spare resources, but I wouldn't consider them pressing

[wooden kindle]

I have a few of the quintuple magnetic torpedos.

[steady beacon]

Yep, that's fine, consider the L/60 an investment you make when you find yourself in especial need of AA, but if you're not going into Chapter 15 now, you don't have to hurry to make them (they do have uses elsewhere, of course, though)

[inland shoal]

As I said I think you are at the do whatever you want stage
Just get the good gears and craft another one of them whenever you want to use another one of them, you can already craft more than you need of everything so you don't really have to worry (as long as you spend sensibly and don't craft like 9 UR sub torps)

[steady beacon]

Ah, of course, the Type 95 Kai rainbow sub torpedoes
Those as well...

[sullen creek]

Oxykai is great

[night pumice]

is it still worth getting yuudachi from 6-4 if I don't have her retro item

[forest nimbus]

Hi, i just recently started doing OpSi and just got my first 5 Rainbow upgrade parts, which of my guns/Tenrai is the best to upgrade to +13 first?

[mighty jasper]

tenrai

[steady beacon]

Oh God, the agony of choice
As an avowed CV believer, I'll have to agree with Tenrai as well

[forest nimbus]

I was the most excited for that, glad to hear it's not a bad choice xD

[keen sable]

+13 what you need

[steady beacon]

Uh... short answer, probably not
Between the time/effort spent in the farm, and the fact that getting the retro item will cost you specialised cores (which you want to buy UR bulins with)... it's, once again, getting smacked with the opportunity cost problem
Yuudachi Kai is excellent, no doubt, but in terms of whether she's a sufficient return on the investment... probably not

[worldly pewter]

isn't the +13 on the tenrai lower than the SR gear ?

[steady beacon]

Uh... probably? I don't memorise that +13 chart, remember
But the question was about UR gears so...

[inland shoal]

Yes but only because it's more expensive

If it even is lower, didn't check

[jaunty pecan]

If i use high efficiency book thingy for SP5, does it count 2x as well for the "clear sp5 xx times"?

[vivid panther]

can i send my dock here?

[main latch]

i just mindlessly leveled this is it good and can i throw it on my Friedrich carl

[steady beacon]

Sadly no, counting runs is one of the few things logistics plans don't double

[keen sable]

+13 tenrai on avp

[jaunty pecan]

[undone plover]

make a thread if too many screenshots

[steady beacon]

It is a fine evasion aux, so levelling it was fine
Whether you want it on Carl probably depends on what the other aux is and what content this is

[undone plover]

u want washing machine as a priority on all cruisers. most ppl use beaver on the boss tank to give them double evasion aux

i think the idea is toolkit passive is probably decent on mob tank. u could also get cosmic kicks if u want double evasion on both tanks

[icy mountain]

i should keep this on saratoga right?

and i use this one on uni?

[undone plover]

this rocket plane is a bit niche. u generally dont use it in campaign

[icy mountain]

so back to using purple f4u?

[whole crypt]

is Suzuya still better off with a CA gun now

[undone plover]

also dont waste all of your electronics getting a lot of flapjacks. save some for wyverns.
seafang/f6f hellcat if u are lucky or f4u corsair is decent for now

[icy mountain]

also, i just got my 2nd floor yay

i should be able to speed up my progress

[icy mountain]

i just bougjt 1 flapjack since i dont have the necessary UR mats for wyvern

i should be able to get the mats back in no time if i grind opsi

still saving up for UR ordinance tho

[steady beacon]

Legit had to wiki Suzuya to be reminded who that was...
Hmmmmm... bc of how her skill functions I'd have thought CL gun is better but I also don't have any calcs on this and am not really sure I want to calculate it either
Dare I ask what this is for?

[undone plover]

yeah that is okay. but wyvern needs a deceptively high amount of electronics since u also need to craft 2 gold planes before it. u need sth like 70 electronics total i think

[whole crypt]

well back in the day if I remember the verdict was CA guns still better because CL guns were shit

but that was before q152 and CL gun dmg buff

[keen sable]

i don't think a flapjack was worth a first craft over junkers d4

[vivid panther]

I need a better fleet

[undone plover]

in their defense the gear lab command doesnt explain this..... it has flapjack in red square and junkers under it

[steady beacon]

... instinctively, I'd take the opposite stance today just bc of how busted Ply gun is...
But I'm also very biased towards the Ply gun and very biased against CA guns, so... caveat emptor

[whole crypt]

lemme check CN wiki

[atomic abyss]

It should still be CA guns iirc

But then again, it depends on what CA guns

[whole crypt]

gun option isn't a problem

[steady beacon]

I'm guessing this is a strict like
Plygun vs Hindy/Drake/Unzen

[atomic abyss]

I'm sure CA guns will still win here...

I'd happily take being proven wrong tho

[steady beacon]

Lul, my question to some degree is... for a ship like Suzuya, does the end result even really matter

I guess, for pure academic purposes, it's interesting to know

[whole crypt]

well CN DPS list has her with hindenburg gun

[steady beacon]

Alas for my trust in CL guns

[whole crypt]

I'm not bothering to test, just wanted to see which is best to throw on her while leveling

[main latch]

Okay thanks i was only using repair toolkit with naval camouflage if its worth it which one of my current Aux could i replace with it

[forest palm]

I just threw a 234 on, and call it a day

[steady beacon]

Toolkit + gold Rudder would be preferable, but if you don't have the gold Rudder, the Beaver Tag is a fine enough substitute

[forest palm]

then again I leveled Suzuya when the Quad 152 came out, so it really wasn't an option

[main latch]

how do i get gold Rudder ?

[whole crypt]

research

[forest palm]

Research

[jaunty vault]

research and mirror involution D3

[worldly pewter]

check ur blueprints u might have some

[main latch]

ah okay thanks

[whole crypt]

I actually raised her to 90s and oathed her, and somehow fell off to the backburner after that

[forest palm]

sounds like par for the course

[whole crypt]

well it's down to a shit ship roulette who's next now anyway

[forest palm]

vanguard dumpster diving as it were

[whole crypt]

no main fleet tech ships left, but hey Shinano-chan does make a good CV to level alongside

[forest palm]

I'm saving any Children, or Muse for future CDC, not as though they have much value, if any, outside of that

[icy mountain]

Whats a junker?

[forest palm]

Ju-87 D-4 or something

it's a Torpedo Bomber

[icy mountain]

ohh, i thought flapjacks were a good investment tho

[whole crypt]

well you can placehold converging TBs with Tenzans, but yeh probably D-4s/Ryuuseis before Flapjacks

they are

[forest palm]

Hellcat can also be a placeholder

[whole crypt]

priority wise you want good converging TBs first for bossing, that's all

but it's rather case specific

[atomic abyss]

There aren't exactly many feasible ways to get good converging torps at this point

It's either PR4 for the Saiuns or gear lab for the Ju-87 D4

Ryuuseis well...

[whole crypt]

open IJN boxes for Tenzan

Tenzan-kai are basically Ryuuseis with less AVI

[sharp token]

is it a bad idea to put the bb aux gear that has -15%salvo time to richy?

[icy mountain]

But f6f's only drop at chapter 13

[forest palm]

[atomic abyss]

...and T4/5 eagle boxes

[icy mountain]

so ig ill stick with 1 flapjack and a f4u

[forest palm]

you should not be farming maps for gear

[icy mountain]

i get shit luck with those tech boxes

[atomic abyss]

You don't farm gear on maps tho

Not in this day and age at least

Also I distinctly remember Hellcats being farmable in 5-1 anyways

[whole crypt]

just use corsairs

you want them anyway for making flapjacks

[atomic abyss]

Or if you got seafangs from UK boxes, you can use those too

[whole crypt]

functionally they'll all work before you get around to optimizing

[undone plover]

flapjacks are a good option btw. u didnt waste your mats. more like u should prioritize other stuff before them. ~~maybe someone should update the recommendations ~~

[steady beacon]

Uhh... why would it be a bad idea?
It's a good BB aux, and Richelieu isn't an exception

[fluid brook]

This for USS planes? or for seahornet?

[atomic abyss]

I mean, just for interim fighter planes in general

[whole crypt]

HPFCR still affects first reload for preload BBs

[sharp token]

well she has pre load right? doesn't that count as first salvo?

[steady beacon]

Ahhhh right, yes... preload does not count for first salvo, no

[atomic abyss]

Hellcats are better ofc since you can upgrade them to tigercats

[whole crypt]

HPFCR still affects first reload for preload BBs

[steady beacon]

God I need sleep, normally I'd have figured that out

[atomic abyss]

Unfortunately it isn't exactly worth to get the VF-17 anymore

Not in the age of 2x1000lb bombs fighters at least

[south sequoia]

Too hard to justify since you have to spend cores for it

[sharp token]

ooohh so it would be faster if i put that, thanks thanks

[atomic abyss]

They have like, marginally stronger 2x500lb bombs than all their compatriots

[south sequoia]

By the time you have room to buy it with cores you'd most likely have a lot of progress with your gear that you won't even need it anymore

[atomic abyss]

They do have the advantage of being the fastest fighters with bombs tho........

[steady beacon]

Indeed

[atomic abyss]

They're remarkably fast
Iirc faster than even suisei 12A

[steady beacon]

But only some weird people like myself are that obsessed with speed

Nah, Suisei 12A is 9.98s base, VF-17 is 10.20

[atomic abyss]

Do not underestimate my proclivity for speed shenanigans too

Right, I'm thinking of the OG suisei then

[steady beacon]

Yes indeed, OG Suisei is 10.44

[atomic abyss]

I was one of the pioneers of converging TB memes in this community

And that was pre opsi

[steady beacon]

Converging TB.... memes? 👀

[atomic abyss]

I mean

Yeah people used to REALLY hate their converging torps

Largely because they "miss"

If the target moves
So the argument was that you'll get just as good hit rate with the barras

[atomic abyss]

I mean, yes that's going to happen if the thing doesn't slow ...

[steady beacon]

People didn't run AR or something?

[atomic abyss]

And your best CV torp bombers of the era all had slow debuffs so uh

This was pre AR kai too

Why do you think I started doing RodM with AR Formi Centaur

[steady beacon]

Ah right, true
AR Kai was... I wanna say 2021...?

[keen sable]

when spooled up with a 50% aoa hit rate drake gun is better across the board. It takes ca gun about 35-40s vs about 20-25s

[icy mountain]

5-2, but i dont think its efficient to farm maps

[atomic abyss]

Although, it should be said that back then, the reason why people didn't use them was because there was nothing to... Use them on

[icy mountain]

LOOK WHAT MY TECHBOX DROPS ARE ITS SO SHIT

[plain saffron]

it's good if you're in early game and can't go chapter 6

[atomic abyss]

It was pre opsi lol

[south sequoia]

iirc wasn't ark royal considered bad back then until people realized "hey wait, converging tvs might be good"

[icy mountain]

I HATE OPENING TECHBOXES

[steady beacon]

Ah ye, fair enough... no "real" targets for them
That's a good point

[late flame]

welcome to rng

[whole crypt]

we've all been there, there's no need to use caps

[atomic abyss]

Yeah people really hated converging back in the day lol...

[plain saffron]

because you keep looking at gold which like most of it are shit

LOOK AT THE PURPLES

[atomic abyss]

I will confess that I was rather extreme on the opposite end

[icy mountain]

no good gold drops at my t4 techboxes

[plain saffron]

YES EXACTLY, LOOK AT THE PURPLES

[whole crypt]

why use golds when there are better purples

[keen sable]

i see at least 4...

[icy mountain]

name them

please ty

[whole crypt]

gear rarity is not an indicator of quality

[keen sable]

barracuda, 105 skc, 2xquints

[plain saffron]

good, usable
good, decent

[undone plover]

these 2 are great. u should use the seafang over a f4u corsair

[atomic abyss]

Seafang is fine too ye

[icy mountain]

i already have the quints equipped in my dd

[steady beacon]

Fascinating to learn about the evolution of schools of thought in this game tbqh lol
By the time I picked the game up, the idea that converging TBs were "obviously" good was basically written into the canon

[atomic abyss]

And in the pre-wyvern era, I made the claim that ryuuseis were better on mobbing in w13

Now that was a hot take

[plain saffron]

sg radar good enough aux in early game

[late flame]

imagine ditching this

[whole crypt]

1 slot of ryuusei is good for 13

[worldly pewter]

boys there is no harm in skipping the guild challenge fight right if they can kill it ?

[icy mountain]

i didnt

[whole crypt]

priority target on command ships is a thing

[atomic abyss]

Yep
But people with wyverns are just gonna use wyverns anyways

[plain saffron]

i guess? as long as not too much people skipping

[atomic abyss]

But in a barracuda era lul

[plain saffron]

because the total points to kill the boss scale with no of participants

[atomic abyss]

Exactly this is the logic

[late flame]

i see no reason to skip unless guild members really put up so lousy support ships

[steady beacon]

I mean, I would argue there's no harm just sending your fleet in on auto to put some damage down on the boss lol

[atomic abyss]

The argument for ryuuseis on mobbing was to yeet elites or other high priority targets

[plain saffron]

ouh wait i'm thinking the boss

is it the boss or the expedition

expedition you just harming yourse;f, boss, as sbove

[steady beacon]

Also, you can borrow some of your guild members' ships, so... you may be able to put up a stronger fleet than you think

[atomic abyss]

I genuinely forgot, what were this for again
Don't tell me it was wyverns lmao

[plain saffron]

junker

[late flame]

junkere

[atomic abyss]

Ah

[steady beacon]

And they can be so damn rare to get lol

[undone plover]

and u can experience some ships u dont have like running BZ when u dont have her

[worldly pewter]

in the previous runs i just prick shinano haku and ply and call it a day

[atomic abyss]

Right how didn't I see the Ironblood cross on it

[undone plover]

put nagato and watch boss die

[plain saffron]

or fully oathed sara woth 2 +13 tenrai :sarawink:

[south sequoia]

of boredom

[late flame]

nagato is fun when her barrage actually procs though

[worldly pewter]

time for pilica card again

[plain saffron]

just use 3 CV with TB + 1 slower

[atomic abyss]

If they can buff Nelson
Surely they'll buff Nagato
<- copium

[plain saffron]

actually no, no need slower, boss not moving much

[atomic abyss]

But yeah
A large part of the reason converging TB was meme in community was because of formi

Like hilariously, Formi was better at supporting BBs

Or carriers besides herself

[dense eagle]

is noshiro muse bugged or did i just get really unlucky and got formi muse 6 times in a row

[late flame]

tragic

[atomic abyss]

Hi I'm the opposite

[viscid swift]

rng is rng

[steady beacon]

RNG is RNG, unfortunately

[plain saffron]

just unlucky

[steady beacon]

She could support others... but not herself

[dense eagle]

i think ive already wasted 200 cubes so cant wait to waste more 😄

[atomic abyss]

I've rolled the same number of Eugen and Nosh muses
And still seeing 0 formu

[rapid grail]

sorry noshiro muse machine broke

[plain saffron]

just get lucky bro

[undone plover]

just make sure u have enough left for upcoming UR

[soft raft]

RNG is RNG
Not like these Muse ships have been really worth going for outside of collection anyways

You're just burning your cubes when CN Anniv is pratically right around the corner

[late flame]

just give up and save - cn anniversary coming soon

[atomic abyss]

I'm halfway thru UR pity FFS
And I literally just got NJ only a few days ago

[dense eagle]

i have 600 cubes left anyway

[viscid swift]

halfway, I went 3/4s for Formidable Muse

[cobalt rapids]

would still skip

[dense eagle]

yeah but collection though

[atomic abyss]

For me I'm just interested to see what memes formusedable can do with mobs

[cobalt rapids]

collection is fair

[plain saffron]

then pull for it if you care about collection

[late flame]

i also totally didnt burn 400 cubes for her

[dense eagle]

ill prob have to wait 2 years to get noshiro muse no?

[cobalt rapids]

yea prob

[plain saffron]

i gonna be the opposite and go full in, already deep, might as well go deeper

[viscid swift]

if you don't have a good stockpile of cubes then skip even if it is for collection

[atomic abyss]

Basically
The only way to maximise Formi's utility was... With another slow

[dense eagle]

i mean im currently at 600 so it should be way more than enough right

[plain saffron]

enough ish

[atomic abyss]

Aka Ark

Centaur only inflicted slow if her barrage hits

[whole crypt]

Moshiro has very little practical use anyway unless you pulling for waifu

[cobalt rapids]

its enough for UR pity thats it

[late flame]

in before double UR again

[plain saffron]

enough to pity yeah, even if you go to 350 ish

[dense eagle]

i guess ill do one last 10 pull and if i dont get it then gg my collection

[viscid swift]

depends on how caught up you are with reruns but that's a bit on the low side if you aren't

[plain saffron]

i care about collection so i just pull until i get all

[steady beacon]

I know, that was just my sad attempt at a Star Wars meme/reference

[viscid swift]

Section 2.2: Pulling on Events
Pulling on events, especially early on, will be a delicate balance between getting ships and building and maintaining a good stockpile of cubes. I will say upfront do not come into this expecting to pull on every event and be able to sweep every banner early on. Trying to do that will almost certainly leave you in a perpetual trap of always being short on cubes and making everything more difficult for yourself. Early on I recommend waiting for and only pulling for meta/strong ships, mainly Gacha URs. The reason is quite simple, these ships will make the biggest impact on your fleet’s capabilities and greatly aid you in clearing late-game content which you will need to clear and farm to get some ships such as Houston ll and New Orleans. It’s also important to bear in mind that events will rerun and every single ship barring collab ships will be made permanently available in due time so you will have an opportunity to get these ships later. As you play more you’ll start to build up a stockpile of cubes and then you can start looking to go more collector mode and pull ships just for collection.** Don’t get too overboard though especially if your stockpile isn’t that large though as all it takes is a few bad events worth of RNG to cripple said stockpile if you aren’t careful, set yourself a spending limit and stick to it for these events. You ideally want to be able to get at least 400 cubes by the end of a UR event to be able to hit pity for a gacha UR so bear that in mind when setting your cube spending limit.**

[plain saffron]

not reading that, i'm happy or sad for you

[late flame]

i smell copy pasta

[viscid swift]

is it copy pasta if it's from myself

[narrow maple]

what is this guys

[atomic abyss]

It's fine, I had many copy pastas myself...

[dense eagle]

alright 1 more 10 pull it is then wish me luck i guess

[plain saffron]

anyway this guy clearly have enough for pity 1 UR and want collection. but as alwasy it's up to himself

[late flame]

you'd pass a thesis on AL with flying colors

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki akashi quest

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Akashi/Questline

[atomic abyss]

Idk if I still have any tho

[plain saffron]

i personally doesn't like waiting 2 years or even more because muse

[plain saffron]

not until he does the unicorn fast plane thesis tier

[viscid swift]

muse ships are archived about a year after they rerun though if the last 2 muse events were anything to go by

[jaunty vault]

don't*

[atomic abyss]

Oh I did actually find a few copy pastas

[viscid swift]

plus 100% takes at least 2 years anyway

[steady beacon]

The what now? 👀

[atomic abyss]

Here's one

 • faster firing rate means faster barrage and skill procs
 • functional range between the two guns is actually the same because the displayed range stat is actually the targeting range, not the shell range, which is impacted by shell velocity
 • related to the previous point, the 127mm twin's targeting range being longer than its effective range means shells will sometimes fizzle before hitting a target, which does not affect the 120mm twin
 • purple rarity guns are easier to acquire and cheaper to upgrade
 • only tangible downside is the reduced damage against heavy armour, but heavy armour opponents are incredibly rare and heavy armour bosses in particular don't show up outside of events```

[jaunty vault]

tldr pls

[atomic abyss]

[steady beacon]

Min-maxing from 2018

[atomic abyss]

Use twin 120, not twin 127

[eager mulch]

better idea, use 100 kai

[late flame]

dang

[whole crypt]

use rainbow

[atomic abyss]

I mean, the 120>127 logic is still true to this day

It's why twin 120 is still recommended on newbie guides lel

[tame jungle]

How many opsi strongholds do you get per month?

[atomic abyss]

Like the only use for the gold 127 is to stat pad your subs

[cobalt rapids]

2 on reset + 1 /monday

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you mean reset

[tame jungle]

Yep, kinda new to the whole thing and i was confused

[plain saffron]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a4ikSzfkVb7vf0lM1TW5I6T1xbRe1AXOaEsM9UI9zuI/edit
just 9 page

[atomic abyss]

I feel like I've read that before

[plain saffron]

idk if this is the original one don't remember

[atomic abyss]

Who made it again?

[plain saffron]

idk it's made in 2018, i'm not even that boomer

[atomic abyss]

For the players wondering why AP isn't recommended, it is mainly because of the shell efficiency. AP guns tend to have poor efficiency for lightly armored ships which are quite abundant in maps. As a result, they will do less damage to lightly armored ships. However AP guns tend to have good efficiency on medium armor and heavy armor, usually found on later maps and are good against those targets. Compared to HE guns, their efficiency is almost balanced for all armor types and has a non-stacking DoT due to burns. For this reason, this is why HE guns are preferred.

A still relevant copy pasta that needs updating

[inner delta]

[novel condor]

[plain saffron]

hi yuki

[novel condor]

elo bred

[hollow birch]

do the Little versions of the chars give tech points and stats?

[eager mulch]

no

[viscid swift]

no

[novel condor]

nope

[hollow birch]

good

[atomic abyss]

That... Might be Dunk/Enbayft?

[steady beacon]

Damn... I gotta at least salute the dedication to even write that tbh...
But damn, the recommendations really were from 2018, huh 👀

[atomic abyss]

Oh it was yes

Found the original post even

[plain saffron]

damn where

[atomic abyss]

He was a nimi command for a time too

[plain saffron]

[steady beacon]

At this point, we're archaeologists, digging through ruins of long-lost civilisations

[inner delta]

yeah let it be

[atomic abyss]

#gameplay-help message

Yes I've been here far too long

[icy mountain]

What gears to equip for chapter 11 to 12

[lean sable]

Prioritise Cube Analysis if I have 400+ cubes? so basically just dont go under 400 I guess?

[atomic abyss]

I wouldn't advise cube analysis yet

[whole crypt]

you might want a bit more than 400 to do cube

[steady beacon]

It is cutting it close if you're close to 400

[lean sable]

mhhh okay sounds good

[steady beacon]

All you need is one or two even moderately unfavourable events in a row to ruin you, with it that close

[whole crypt]

thing is doing a few cube researches don't impact your overall progress by much, you need to be doing quite a number

which overall can cause a pretty bad burn on your stocks

[round hare]

Anything special this week?

[viscid swift]

nope

[round hare]

Deadweek

[whole crypt]

lil' spee rerun

might as well, some folks need recovery time before CN annviersary

[willow dust]

hi so you know how when finishing a region on opsi tb says "it'll cost more ap next time we come back here" and it cause opsi to completely stop till you acknoledge that and click the button

is there a way to get rid of that?

[whole crypt]

options > reduce TB guidance

[cobalt rapids]

reduce tb guidance in settings

[willow dust]

does that just make it so opsi never stops/get's interupted till you run out of ap?

[plain saffron]

no? what TB have to do with AP

[whole crypt]

it might still stop for some things, but not all of TB's repetitive babble

[willow dust]

things like what?

[plain saffron]

stop interreupted by TB yes

[whole crypt]

stepping onto siren devices

[tame jungle]

Tb yapping is catastrophic for the auto community

[whole crypt]

losing fights

[serene moth]

Always get the "move on" once a i clear a zone, can you auto that ome?

[keen sable]

scamcat

[serene moth]

Where

[whole crypt]

also things like the entry blurb when you enter strongholds need to be manually skipped every entry

[keen sable]

enable reduce tb guidance also

[whole crypt]

scamcat can be skipped though, if you choose to

[willow dust]

is it recommended?

[tame jungle]

No

[keen sable]

i don't so i stop...

[whole crypt]

well scamcat can sell you more AP and tokens

[tame jungle]

I’m pretty sure everything except repair kits is cheaper

[whole crypt]

tokens at scamcat are also at a better rate than buying from shop so it's a net profit

tuning samples are not cheaper, nor should you buy them anyway

[willow dust]

ok this was very helpful
thank you everyone

[woeful laurel]

i'm still missing formidable from the current event. is she still worth pulling?

[undone plover]

she is not unless u want her for collection. and at that point it depends on your cube count and how low u are willing to go on your cubes. TLDR: No

[forest palm]

we have a major event in like 2 weeks with more than likely a UR, if you don't care for collection skip

[tame jungle]

where do you get the information on upcoming events? prediction?

[atomic abyss]

Tweets or streams

[forest palm]

patch notes as well

well Japanese, and Chinese patch notes to be exact

[plain saffron]

or EN

[eager mulch]

or gph

[woeful laurel]

how does it imply a UR is coming? i'm assuming it's only implied since you mentioned more than likely

[forest palm]

do English notes actually make mention of these things
kind of ignore them

[forest palm]

patterned mostly

[eager mulch]

because this one is CN anni which usually brings a UR

[soft raft]

May is CN anniv and for the past three years, CN Anniv has been UR slot

[plain saffron]

CN anni = big event = UR
also they get UR like 3 years in a row already

[soft raft]

we've basically pinned down URs to Feb, May, Sept, and Dec

[woeful laurel]

okay nice, pretty strong indicators then

with all the reruns of URs, i've sort of lost track of how often URs actually come out

[plain saffron]

4 new gacha UR per year so far

[wind hazel]

wasn't last year 5?

[viscid swift]

Laffey 2 isn't a gacha UR

[wind hazel]

right, gacha

[stable badger]

what happened?

[soft raft]

your game prob desynced or some shit
just force close and relaunch the game

[elfin hollow]

Would this be a good ship to put and help with grinding to 9-1? Should I level her up?

[atomic abyss]

No, she's about as bad as her regular version

[elfin hollow]

So I should retire?

[atomic abyss]

I'd say yes

[undone plover]

If u dont have dock space issue why retire

[atomic abyss]

She's muse so she doesn't have fleet tech

But yeah I remember this guy has dock issues

[elfin hollow]

I just don’t like how she looks, so unless she’s good, I won’t retire.

[tame jungle]

how does enforcer equilibrium's blinding work?

like sometimes i get blinded and sometimes it just doesn't even happen in a battle

[cobalt rapids]

depends on their mods

[tame jungle]

oh i see it's to do with the torpedoes

[whole crypt]

the "blind" effect procs when you get hit by the black torp things

OS isn't even the first fight to introduce this

[cursive creek]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use pre-retrofit Nelson instead of Pennsylvania?

[cobalt rapids]

yes because u will eventually retro nelso and shell be much stronger

[viscid swift]

if you have Nelson and Penn isn't already significantly leveled yes

[whole crypt]

but you can get Pennsylvannia off the bat from guild shop and if you don't build perm heavy or start with a heavy-based event banner you likely won't get Nelson before Pennsylvannia

[cursive creek]

It's a 5 lv. difference

[cobalt rapids]

nelson drops in chp2

[whole crypt]

you can start using Pennsylvannia in ch1

[cobalt rapids]

yes u can

[whole crypt]

also raising Pennsylvannia doesn't involve spending on retrofitting, before which your barrage is less consistent

[cursive creek]

And I was using her but she just got to lv. 70 and it felt like a waste of rescores to increase her limit break

[whole crypt]

you will eventually level Pennsylvannia later, but if you want to you can swap to Nelson, that's fine

[viscid swift]

it isn't a waste to limit break any ship you'll use

[whole crypt]

but BBs you actually want to LB ASAP because it literally more than doubles your BB's damage

[tame jungle]

my ass has not played in 4 years give me a break 💀

[whole crypt]

that was for Renhex, he didn't seem aware of the gimmick

[cobalt rapids]

sorry for being a new player

[whole crypt]

I don't even remember how new/old you are anymore

[tame jungle]

12 years oald

[cursive creek]

New team setup

[whole crypt]

should be fine but more LBs would be good

[forest palm]

do not joke about your age on Discord, you can end up banned for it

[whole crypt]

but yeh the black torp thing I think the first time I saw it was noctis, overture was also omitter but I don't remember if she used it back then

[worthy fjord]

I need help, I actually have no idea what's important

[keen sable]

what you need is a thread and full dock pics

[worthy fjord]

?

[tame jungle]

True

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding

just at a glance - too many SRs, some not MLB'd assuming you don't have enough bulins, poor ship choices, poor positioning
depends on what help you actually need, "I don't know what to do" isn't the place to start

[worldly lion]

Is this worth it or should I just stick to twin 410s. (For NJ, Monarch)

[cobalt rapids]

not worth opsi mats

[viscid swift]

crafting no

[whole crypt]

stick to 410, we only crafted it back in the day if we had the prints from research but PR2 shouldn't be done anymore

[worldly lion]

Okie doks. Thanks

[sweet delta]

ToT D3

[cobalt rapids]

idk what content ure doing with 410s on nj and monarch tho

[whole crypt]

tower isn't archived, even if it was it's not worth grinding

[sweet delta]

According to Sam it's a "top Bb gun"

[sweet delta]

But really just use mk6

[cobalt rapids]

theres 2 Best Mixed Speed + DPS HE BB Guns

[worldly lion]

Do you guys use up your 5 weekly refills in OS?

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes but i dont recc using oil refill in opsi farming unless ure at tech farming stage

[willow dust]

opsi question
should i just spam the fuck out of these as soon as i get them?

[sweet delta]

You use oil in opsi on purpose?

[worldly lion]

Can you ss that gun? Not familiar with all the guns yet

[cobalt rapids]

I do

[viscid swift]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_406mm_(16"/45_Mk_6)#Type_3-0

[worldly lion]

Oh I have these. I'm using the 410s on NJ/Monarch because it says "good on ships with skills that proc on firing"

[novel solstice]

They expire at the end of the month, so be sure you do them before the reset. There's no rush to do them as soon as you get them though -- if you'll have more time next week, do them next week.

[whole crypt]

as soon as you can clear them without trouble, which may not be as soon as you get them

[viscid swift]

equips are situationally dependent but in this case NJ in particular has monstrous shelling damage so using a faster-firing gun that does loess damage is just not a worthwhile trade-off most of the time

[whole crypt]

depending on how good your fleets are you might want to wait for some adapts to stack up before clearing the coord

[keen sable]

decent barrage is a relative thing and those ships don't have decent relative barrages. There's like a total of 2 ships in the game that have decent relative barrages. Hood and Georgia.

[cobalt rapids]

gun depends on content but the situation of a ship taking 410s over mk6 for example is more rare
even most barrage ships have more dmg coming from shelling

[willow dust]

i have time rn
[i say at 1:20 am]

[keen sable]

~~imagine immediately using a c6 on 0 adapt ~~

[willow dust]

this doable?

[sweet delta]

410 is good for mob due to stagger from unicorn. Not so much in boss.

[worldly lion]

That is good to know. I'm just following blindly all this while

[worldly lion]

Noted. thanks

[whole crypt]

probably, if you're properly geared

[willow dust]

we ball then

[whole crypt]

besides stagger also because Mk6 would usually be overkill for non-boss ships

so shooting faster for less damage works

[keen sable]

is that your only fleet because it's sus against abyssals

[worldly lion]

so basically bbs in mob fleets?

[willow dust]

my 3 other fleets

[eternal moth]

I see a second healer, it's already sus

[whole crypt]

essentially

[eternal moth]

But those are terrible. You want to focus them: at least one fleet that's all BBs and one that's all CVs

[viscid swift]

some interesting choices to say the least....

[whole crypt]

not like it matters, the Musashi/IJNCV fleet would already be enough to trash most abyssals

[sweet delta]

You could swap enterprise and unicorn

[willow dust]

question
why do i wanna run a mono BB/CV backline?

[whole crypt]

the fleets could be better built but he's probably going to be fine outside of harbs

[eternal moth]

Because abyssals have weaknesses against certain types of damage

[willow dust]

[i have no idea how to fleet build]

[whole crypt]

the weaknesses don't work

[sweet delta]

So that implacable can freeze the boss to let shinano and haku hit torpedoes

[viscid swift]

to tak advantage of damage buffs, because ships are easier usually to sync within their own hull types

[whole crypt]

you mostly want a monotype fleet because buffs work for everyone

[cobalt rapids]

because of vanguard buffers and slow supports boosting carriers alot so therefore u want em stacked in one fleet

[eternal moth]

Alright, I'm fucking done making suggestions then.

[whole crypt]

though that's mostly only true for CVs since there's not really any universal buffer besides Helena for BBs

[willow dust]

i understand these words individually

[whole crypt]

actually with the understanding that the vulnerability doesn't actually work, the main reason you make mono-type fleets is just for ease of buffing and consistency

[viscid swift]

in simple terms, skills like this you can get more milage from by using 3 CVs instead of 2 CVs and a BB and get more damage out of the fleet overall

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message this + existence of good cv boosting vanguards

[whole crypt]

well for BBs it does make sense if you have Vanguard

[cobalt rapids]

but it just so happens that some good ships work better with other good ships theres no hull restriction for opsi as long as u make ur stuff work

[kindred arrow]

Do little ships count for cdc exp?

[whole crypt]

but otherwise especially if you don't have BisZwei then running Implacable with 2 UR BBs is also fair game

[kindred arrow]

Neat, thanks!

[whole crypt]

basically you're setting up fleets that offer buffs to CVs, or buffs to BBs, and your whole main fleet gets that buff compared to a mixed one

[eternal moth]

Essentially if you choose the faction on the dock screen and they show up they'll work for CDC. That's why muse and littles work, but meta ships don't.

[willow dust]

wait so what about healing?

[whole crypt]

boss fleets don't use healing

[eternal moth]

You set up a mob fleet for that

[whole crypt]

you just kill the boss then you use repair packs after the fight, or regroup/dock repair if you lost any ships

[cobalt rapids]

if fleet doesnt lose damage due to lack of healing then u dont need healing

[willow dust]

oops

[worldly pewter]

in opsi u can encounter so many anti healing mods

[kindred arrow]

I'll keep that in mind, I was tripped because I know they don't give tech. Good to know the muses work too

[willow dust]

so like
1 mob fleet
1 cv fleet
1 bb fleet?
1 whatever fleet

[viscid swift]

that's the basic set up yes

[eternal moth]

That's pretty typical, yeah

[whole crypt]

the main issue is not anti-healing mods
the main issue is healers have poorer damage output when you just want to spike a boss to death

[worldly pewter]

don't forget the sub fleet

[willow dust]

you guys use subs?

[whole crypt]

well I have the fleet set up, and I use it occasionally

[viscid swift]

yes, but getting your surface fleets up to scratchy takes priority

[whole crypt]

(mostly for commander XP)

[whole crypt]

that needs the last LB and more levels if you want to put her in a proper boss fleet for OS

[willow dust]

this feels cursed i wont lie

[soft raft]

what is Unicorn doing in the flagship position
patricia is also now hard whiffing half of her barrage

And im not gonna even ask what Yamashiro M is doing there

[willow dust]

oops
fixed

[worldly pewter]

ur vanguard choice is a little bit special

[viscid swift]

why isn't Implacable with Shinano and Haku...

[tame jungle]

The girls are fighting

[viscid swift]

also do you not have a 3rd BB leveled up that's better than Yamashiro META

[sweet delta]

The level 100 five star bisz should be better than 120 yama

[willow dust]

swapped

[undone plover]

if u have avp replace warspite with her

[willow dust]

uhhhh
honestly i dont know

[willow dust]

who?

[tame jungle]

August von Parseval

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/August_von_Parseval

[viscid swift]

shift Patricia to fleet 2 and find someone else to sub her in the mob fleet until Zwei is maxed

do you not have Kazagumo, Sirius, any of the CBs?

[cobalt rapids]

keeping patty in mob since she can do her dmg there aswell and use bz blackhole buff for fleet2 is also fine

[willow dust]

[viscid swift]

get her leveled up and she replaces Kitakaze

[spring scarab]

Is it a good gear? and should I craft it or any recommendations pls

[sweet delta]

Later

[cobalt rapids]

craft it after you got enough conv tb and wyverns

[spring scarab]

So, first I should go for wyverns right?

[willow dust]

anything else i should note before i hit confirm

[cobalt rapids]

conv tb lie ju-87 and wyverns yes

[spring scarab]

Ok thanks everyone

[viscid swift]

well it depends on what else you have at your disposal

[willow dust]

final layout

[inland shoal]

Wyverns are converging

[viscid swift]

could be a lot better but not much more you can do it about it now, I'd still rather Patricia than an under-leveled 2 LB Zwei in fleet 2 for the time being though

[sweet delta]

I would just mob the hidden zones for a week and by that time bisz should be level 110 and can start doing abyssals

[eternal moth]

That doesn't fix the missing LB issue

[viscid swift]

you can just swap midway through the month anyway

[undone plover]

helena also possibly better in the bb fleet. especially if your CV strike time is ~22-23 seconds

[sweet delta]

5 star bisz is better than Patricia though, and there's no other choice in the dock

[undone plover]

put kazagumo in CV fleet and helena in BB

[viscid swift]

a level 100 Zwei vs a level 125 Patricia?

[sweet delta]

especially if the CVs aren't six star

[willow dust]

i just need 5k coins then i can buy 2 ur bulins for mlb

[sweet delta]

I said 110

[cobalt rapids]

now its a mlb zwei

[whole crypt]

why not just grind BisZwei normally and swap her in when she has the levels

[viscid swift]

that's what I'm saying

[willow dust]

aaaaaa my brain hurt

[whole crypt]

unless dude has no intentions of running any content outside of OS

[sweet delta]

that's what I'm saying too

[keen sable]

biskii should obviously be mob bb. Using pat mob bb is just...wasteful

[willow dust]

like this?

[cobalt rapids]

patty flag

[viscid swift]

for the time being yes

[cobalt rapids]

also this

[willow dust]

even at lvl 90?

[sweet delta]

Grubbing that 30k exp per day

[viscid swift]

not at level 90

[cobalt rapids]

lvl them, the non mob fleets barely get used through the entire month u got time

[willow dust]

ok so goals atm are:

level and mlb bis zwei
max kazagumo [to replace kitakaze]

[viscid swift]

at minimum yes