gameplay-help

[undone plover]

I will do 5 quads then. Save the last for a quint

[blissful hamlet]

should I +13 soyuz gun for kearsarge cuz it sync with implac?

[eager mulch]

you should +13 soyuz gun because it is a good gun

[cobalt rapids]

u can +13 soyuz gun regardless since its champy sidegrade with timing adjustment

[blissful hamlet]

should I still do it if I have 770 gun plates? what's the likelyhood they add new UR gun?

[cobalt rapids]

ure well over the UR cost anyway

[steady beacon]

I mean, after +13ing the Soyuz gun you've got 650 left
That's enough for 1 rainbow eq...

[blissful hamlet]

I see

[undone plover]

mk7 could be possible but who knows

[blissful hamlet]

I hope they won't add 20s UR AP before I get more plates

[cobalt rapids]

if ure afraid then dont do it

what will 18% more gun dmg to kear do for u anyway

[blissful hamlet]

+13 looks cool

[cobalt rapids]

exactly

[steady beacon]

Perhaps I should ask what you're using on Kear right now

[blissful hamlet]

soyuz gun, hvar, and double shell

[winter condor]

even agir has today insane dmg emden no idea i don't have her but hinden and carl dmg also are insane

[atomic abyss]

What

I mean Hinden certainly is insane damage yes
But Agir and Carl...

[cobalt rapids]

hinden and carl,aegir are not on the same floor

[eager mulch]

what if his are on the same floor

[blissful hamlet]

if agir has insane damage then what is hinden

[winter condor]

agir tanks but at the same time contributes to dmg carl/emden i put them in same floor hinden is in another league

[atomic abyss]

A properly built Hinden completely sweeps most if not all frontliners... Save Unzen

[sinful elk]

Arent those PRs

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I was more asking what you used before Soyuz gun but that was very poor phrasing...
I guess I would put it this way: even if we get a UR AP BB gun from the upcoming event, we're only getting one
So there will be plenty of occasions for the Soyuz gun to still be used

[atomic abyss]

Yes Harbin and Shimanto are
The rest aren't tho

[sinful elk]

Is she in the basic pool tho?

[eager mulch]

no

[atomic abyss]

Scylla? Nope
The destroyers I mentioned are though

[mighty jasper]

if im not super concerned abt making planes, is spending electronics on the ijn accelerator AA at all worth it. Or just farm for PR6 german one?

[sinful elk]

Well i will stick with starters for a while then

[winter condor]

there are tests about that and yes agir and carl have really good dmg to be comparable to other ships only hinden is over all when is maxed / well equiped

[cobalt rapids]

dont bother with either

[atomic abyss]

...can someone actually check the calcs

[cobalt rapids]

and ull get pr6 aa gun as a byproduct of season 6 research but its not something u specifically look for

[atomic abyss]

I know Carl was above average thanks to the barrage
But Agir should be lower end for a CB no?

[steady beacon]

... What even is the point of contention here, exactly...

[hollow gust]

What is there to check calc for though?

[atomic abyss]

Apparently, Carl and Agir are good DPSes?

[mighty jasper]

ok nice thx

[atomic abyss]

Idfk

[hollow gust]

Agir is easily the lower end of CB damage , the difference between actual meta dps and agir is pretty wide

[atomic abyss]

I mean I'd believe it, but I'm rather sceptical at the moment

[steady beacon]

I'd broadly agree with these characterisations, yes

[night pumice]

besides a loli ship do we know what's coming in the may 9th update

[blissful hamlet]

what children ship?

[south sequoia]

Carls "damage" comes from her harmonized barrage, it technically is hers because she gives it but the endscreen damage goes to the ship who fired the barrage themselves

[hollow gust]

Kron who has the highest CB dps gets curb stomped by likes of Plymouth , we aren't even talking about hinden and unzen who are noticeably stronger then ply in pure dps

[blissful hamlet]

~~I thought new ship ~~

[atomic abyss]

Yeah I'm gonna have to put a big on that...

[steady beacon]

Actually, I think Agir might be the lowest, but she of course can benefit from useful buffs in common fleets she'd find herself in

[dawn whale]

L

[atomic abyss]

I mean my original point stands
Most combination of German frontlines are mostly chonk and relatively potato damage

[hollow gust]

Ofc agir is gonna beat many SR and Elite ships , but saying shes insane damage is

[atomic abyss]

Unless you go all in on the DDs maybe...?
And Hinden and Emden ofc

[hollow gust]

Just put agir against anybody the meta dps and she get bullied

[atomic abyss]

I don't recall Otto and Felix's DPSes being their claim to fame either

Do they lose out to the DDGs? I presume they do right?

[south sequoia]

agirs damage is good at best

carls damage scales on who she is with

[south sequoia]

yep

[steady beacon]

Who doesn't is the better question
Although, you can perfectly validly argue that DPS... doesn't have to be everything

[south sequoia]

ottos and felix main claim to fame is being great mob tanks with serviceable dps

[steady beacon]

Lol
Ye, those would be the two exceptions that'd probably come to mind too, Ender...
I know Shima is competitive, but she competes weirdly with the DDGs because they obviously skew in different directions armour-wise

I haven't checked Poi's DPS in a good long while, though

[atomic abyss]

I guess the only direct competition for them is Laff II?

[blissful hamlet]

pretty sure DDG still the highest damage DD in the game

[normal crane]

Which?

[atomic abyss]

I'd say avp's face?

[mighty jasper]

ok so is this a complete meme, should i swap dyna cannon for dishwasher?

[eager mulch]

AvP face, next

[winter condor]

i didn't choose the words well i mean who agir vs some of the tier 0 gold ships has more dmg on the other side carl/emden hinden they are for sure on the top of dmg hinden over all

[hollow gust]

Well that's technically the best possible dps

[winter condor]

so yeah full IB vanguard isn't potato dmg

[blissful hamlet]

if it's a meme and she's not dying, I would keep it like that

[steady beacon]

Tbh, if you believe the theoretical calcs, even Laffey II lags pretty noticeably

[eager mulch]

Tier 0?

[mighty jasper]

ok nice thx

[hollow gust]

For funzies

[atomic abyss]

I mean
The original frontline in question, that even brought on this discussion
Was a guy asking if he should slot Eugen or Roon in between Carl and Heinrich...

[vapid vector]

[atomic abyss]

And yeah that became this...

[vapid vector]

nice fleet ya got there

[steady beacon]

Usual story of train derailment in gph

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming that's with the seal/upgraded barrage?

[steady beacon]

But ye, Laffey II is excellent, no doubt, but she isn't really intended to compete on the DPS charts
And yep, ofc with Seal

[atomic abyss]

Or are their guns just that ridiculous

[steady beacon]

Remember, they have MGM2
Plus missiles that basically don't miss
Skill barrage and AoA (plus half-AoA perk)
They pump out a lot of damage

[hollow gust]

None of those ships do good damage

[atomic abyss]

checks FP stat
Ah yes, FP stats that can compete with CLs

[steady beacon]

Only caveat is that they probably lose to some DDs vs heavy because of the modifiers
But even there, their DPS is pretty damn solid

[atomic abyss]

I mean that's fair

I'm pretty sure Shima should be uncontested for DD torp damage

[hollow vigil]

Did anybody know If the devs planning to add new mode? like endless waves or x12 shipgirls fight at the same time instead of x6?

[hollow gust]

Nope

[plain saffron]

we had endless waves before but it got reworked

[forest palm]

there's supposed to be a rogue like mode

[blissful hamlet]

rogue mode still a thing?

[plain saffron]

they're still not released so probably

[atomic abyss]

...ok I did do a check
An Shan's FP at 125 actually beats Mainz...

[steady beacon]

We had it for like two weeks or something
We have not had it back since

[hollow vigil]

Kinda unfair If you ask me that new chapters like W15 get like x10000 mobs, but commanders was like "right I had 700 shipgirls but I will use only x6 at the same time, but joke asaide Its Is really time to add new mode

[plain saffron]

that's not a rogue like

[hollow gust]

Wait serenity, when did u change your name again

[plain saffron]

that's only a fraction of the full thing

[blissful hamlet]

yeah that was like long time ago

[atomic abyss]

On the other hand, why does Noshiro have higher FP than Mainz wtf...

[blissful hamlet]

serenity who

[steady beacon]

Did I hallucinate them calling it a rogue-like mode...?

[plain saffron]

no they didn't we did, i did

[mighty jasper]

ok so.... I'm working on this super high potential Steel. BUT, alpha wolf and flames aggression were lucky rolls, so i can't reset -_- . Is accuracy important enough on subs so i should just level that, OR should i put another point in to HP and pray i get another TRP buff on my next roll.

[steady beacon]

Ahhh, I see

[normal crane]

Should i go for the Gold Large Projects?

[prime ridge]

Is the term "event" the limited banner that is meant to be pulled on?

[plain saffron]

not for this current event

[atomic abyss]

Yes, but for this event's case we would recommend not pulling

[prime ridge]

i just started should i pull on one of the other banners instead?

[atomic abyss]

Just keep to 1x light build a day

[plain saffron]

i called it rogue like because it uses same thing as allegedly roguelike mode stuff

[hollow vigil]

How do you beat 15-4? the boss I mean I was able to beat the x3 boss but the 15-4 Its hard

[hollow gust]

Get better fleets

[hollow vigil]

I had all shipgirls they just shred me

[blissful hamlet]

show fleet and gear

[hollow gust]

Then gear

[steady beacon]

Ye, Noshi has a... surprisingly high FP stat, I only recently realised
But uh... obviously Mainz wins with MGM2, among other things

[atomic abyss]

Yeah subs don't need accuracy, they have a plethora of it

[hollow vigil]

Let me gusse all +13 or gg noob?

looks like I had to farm again sirens then

[atomic abyss]

Mushiro has the 20th highest FP for a CL

That is wack for a torp boat

[eager mulch]

don’t need all +13

[steady beacon]

Full +13 isn't a prerequisite
The correct gear plus the correct ships are what you want

[mighty jasper]

ok thx. inshallah i roll trp next xd

[undone plover]

is 15 formation double line or circle?

[atomic abyss]

Subs can make use of HP at least...

[hollow vigil]

The core shipgirls had had rainbow gear +13 others was like +11/+12

[whole crypt]

but it means nothing with a single 125% gun mount and no aux gun, maybe scaling on the barrage

[steady beacon]

I did it circle myself, but quite a few people I've heard from went double line in the end

[blissful hamlet]

it's better to show the actual gear you're using

[plain saffron]

rainbow doesn't always means good so

[blissful hamlet]

and the ships too

[atomic abyss]

You aren't going to have much success running oxy torps on your frontliners in w15 for example

[hollow vigil]

Sure thing Im working on It, but before I take ss what shipgirls you use

[blissful hamlet]

+13 z-flag

[whole crypt]

if you bring enough AA then double line is better against surface damage

[atomic abyss]

Tho I suppose you could make a case for oxy torp on some subs

[mighty jasper]

ahh yes +15 hp

[undone plover]

how much is enough aa

[steady beacon]

Nope, I did not bring enough AA tbh
Certainly compared to what we can bring now

[eager mulch]

run double line and find out

[whole crypt]

you'll know when your main fleet stops biting it from planes

[hollow gust]

That cat is hella mid lmao, alpha and flame are the only good ones

[hollow vigil]

a lot of people underestimate the power of submarines until they get to W14 then submarines are the saviors

[eager mulch]

I didn’t use subs in my W15 or W14 clear

[silk sphinx]

Didn’t ever use subs in w14 or w15

[blissful hamlet]

use subs on boss and low ammo

[silk sphinx]

They’re nice but don’t exaggerate

[mighty jasper]

... i mean im not running wolfpack so dont need IB buff. if i get another trp its almost perfect no?

[eager mulch]

I’m too lazy to work on subs

[hollow vigil]

I was when I dont have all shipgirls and all that, with subs I was able to easy 3 star back then, not to mention when I exp new shipgirls on W13 my subs make it really fast

[undone plover]

just dorm them

[warm flax]

But are subs impactful

[whole crypt]

even wolfpack doesn't want KMS officer talent

[hollow gust]

Considering sub cats are ment to fulfil rld requirements for other torps thst cat

[whole crypt]

well RLD isn't nearly as important nowadays with bidders

[hollow vigil]

Speaking of RLD, devs should add option to sync all backline fire time instead of swaping like monkey gear

[mighty jasper]

ok so what do i want ? only trp and rld skills

[eager mulch]

There is, it’s called manual

[whole crypt]

if using bidder I might want HIT cat over RLD cat, besides officer, alpha and flame

[hollow vigil]

I never play on manual lol

[wind hazel]

your problem

[eager mulch]

then play on manual if you want to sync all backline fire instead of swapping like monkey gear

[hollow vigil]

We are close to this, we alredy can manage the RLD bonus In the tech lab

[whole crypt]

"I want the game to handle itself exactly the way I want it on auto"

[hollow gust]

Jfc my full dps frontline did better then Helena comp

[steady beacon]

What is this, RodM?

[sullen creek]

Damn Helena bad

[eager mulch]

helena not bad

[mighty jasper]

yh tbf i know hp stat is a bummer, but 1st time ive had both flame's and alpha wolf on a sub. feel like spending coin on rerolling steel is low key troll

[eager mulch]

she just doesn’t love them enough to scan more often

[hollow gust]

I was meming cm lol

[whole crypt]

don't worry, I still haven't managed to roll flame on Steel

[hollow vigil]

@blissful hamlet

[sullen creek]

What's the clear time?

[late flame]

tbh i legit forget cats exist

[hollow gust]

8 min

[steady beacon]

Ah, I see

[mighty jasper]

ahahah ok nice. one day bro 🙏

[sullen creek]

There you go

[hollow gust]

I could optimize and tryhard with my CV ladies but , I really don't want to swap gear

[steady beacon]

Understandable
But when my CVs sneak under 20s Arbiter shields, I remember again

[hollow gust]

Also wtf drake

[whole crypt]

Drake 🚮

[eager mulch]

uptier drake

[late flame]

i spend too much coin buying gear boxes

[hollow gust]

Bismarck was busy breaking shields so her damage is fine

I gave her everything she needed for dps

[late flame]

using my newly mlb nano with haku for the first time
but yeah had to manual towards the end since i lack RLD and haku slowly desync

[hollow gust]

Time?

[hollow vigil]

Later guys, wish you best dps ❤️

[steady beacon]

Is your order Implac/Shina/Haku?

[late flame]

yup (clearing a round of 12-4 now, brb with time)

[steady beacon]

Damn, Shina did... exceptionally well then 👀
I'm used to her lagging Haku by much bigger margins...

[hollow gust]

Actually , time to pullout my eagle fleet

Let's see if I can get a sub 5

[steady beacon]

Best of luck

[hollow gust]

Prob not though, my eagles are tuned for a short fight

Still better then bbs though

[late flame]

leme see.. i took way too long, like 7.59 to clear
more or less using suchi's build except mostly +10 only and no rainbow torps for kazagumo
https://youtu.be/XNVr6B3g6bw?t=121

[prime ridge]

Should I limit break 1 star ships or what to do with the dupes?

[late flame]

1 star? use them as enhancement fodder
unless waifu / fleettech min-maxing, probably

[hollow gust]

Well def beated that

I pulled a 6:00, I can definitely optimize it

[late flame]

nice

[hollow gust]

My implacable was too slow

Also ply got murdered really early, gotta check her gear

[south sequoia]

Is kearsarge the shield breaker?

[main latch]

What should i get with the rest of my event currency

[hollow gust]

Kear and yorky yeah

[south sequoia]

If you already have eugen muse and the rest of the useful stuff like chips, prints, oil then get whatever you want

[tame orchid]

Shop priority is in pins

[grizzled creek]

Is there a summon I should do as a new player

[south sequoia]

None

[late flame]

wait for chinese anni

[south sequoia]

Not even this banner in my opinion

[steady beacon]

Damn, does the shield tank York2's damage that horrifyingly badly

[tame orchid]

Yeh

[grizzled creek]

How far away is that

[south sequoia]

chinese anniversary is coming soon to this game which also means a new banner

[late flame]

end of this month

[south sequoia]

You can easily live without even pulling in the gacha

[grizzled creek]

Ok thx u

[south sequoia]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips take this by the way

[late flame]

its probably about torps to break shield which i sorely lacked

[grizzled creek]

I was just gonna ask thx u lol

[hollow gust]

Nah my kears faster salvo and rocket planes are really good at breaking

Also Yorktown had to help, which is why implacable damage is noticeably higher

[late flame]

i did try kears/york fleet but my vanguard units kept getting pwned lol

[steady beacon]

What setup are you running, that Implac goes last

[hollow gust]

Plymouth is love and Plymouth is life

[fluid brook]

Musashi is

[hollow gust]

Musashi is garbage , as for implacable build it was double rocket , ryuu and manjuu

[whole crypt]

bulin best ship ever

[late flame]

incidentally pin showing off oathed builns over at gen

[steady beacon]

And Yorktown is triple rocket, I'm guessing? Plus beacon?

[whole crypt]

definitely not me, I don't show off bulins that aren't 200 affinity

[sullen creek]

All it took was Soyuz for people to start calling Musashi garbage

[steady beacon]

Interesting, I see...

[late flame]

love bulins but i love my mlb ships more

[south sequoia]

They meant for this fight

[fluid brook]

[cobalt rapids]

nah its just grey who hates crimson axis

[sullen creek]

Even then I doubt it's "garbage"

[south sequoia]

It's probably some timing difference that musashi misses, but considering grey is an azur lane fan it's probably a biased look

[grizzled creek]

I just have to say that's a really nice beginner guide for whoever made it thx u if u ever see this

Very easy to understand

[hollow gust]

Hes not with us anymore

[south sequoia]

Sam will be glad to hear it

[inner delta]

rice literally came back

[hollow gust]

Ricest wrote that guide

[steady beacon]

Then left us again

[whole crypt]

rice was here like about a week ago with the torp comp for rodney

[hollow gust]

And hes gone lmao

[inner delta]

let he do w/e

[south sequoia]

didn't sam and rice co-write it

[fluid brook]

Didnt knew rice left

[hollow gust]

He was sick of yall

[whole crypt]

you know, maybe he found or had something to do besides AL

[hollow gust]

Nah hes busy in ectl, he just left alo

[inner delta]

didn't leave al just server

[whole crypt]

ah

[hollow gust]

Another 6 minute 30, something is iffy with the comp

My CVs were somehow getting revealed too

[steady beacon]

Isn't that normal after 6 minutes 30 seconds

[south sequoia]

Probably due to takaos gimmick and launching

[whole crypt]

time to give taurus a bulin bump I guess

[south sequoia]

iirc takao will slightly bonk the person tha dealt the most damage

[hollow gust]

A booty bump from Yorky is better

Sakura prob does best

[whole crypt]

ramming damage is not reduced by shield thus it is superior

[south sequoia]

Nevermind, it actually is a barrage that fires at the closest

[hollow gust]

Time to pullout the stigma setup

[south sequoia]

Manualling with the sakuras would be best due to desync

makes life easier

[steady beacon]

Manual trivialises everything

[eager mulch]

unless you’re bad at it

[steady beacon]

Depends on your degree of bad
I positively suck at it
If you're even worse than that, then maybe...

[eager mulch]

[hollow gust]

Oh yeah , sakura is definitely going under 5 min

[steady beacon]

Oh, JP patch notes confirm prelude in subsequent maintenance
So the presumed timeline for UR is basically set in stone now

[hollow gust]

My opsi eagle is desyncs so hard for longer fights

Works fine for harby though

[steady beacon]

The trick is to kill Strength in two rotations

Based on what stig did last month, I'd even been convinced it can be done in one, but too lazy to check that right now...

[hollow gust]

Just get better aa

You can keep concealment for 4 rotations if need be

[whole crypt]

so past year schedule speculation correct... but the exact dates though

since little spee isn't starting on a Thursday

[steady beacon]

... What are you talking about? The maintenance upcoming is May 9th... a Thursday...?

[whole crypt]

or was it the end date, lemme check

[hollow gust]

That was easy

[steady beacon]

Ah, indeed, end date is projected to be May 21st, a Tuesday

[whole crypt]

no idea what you're on about, Taurus isn't hard

[eager mulch]

[hollow gust]

BBs made it look hard

Took me 8 minutes to, as usual CV supremacy

[steady beacon]

OK, so the week is set in stone, but the precise day is still uncertain

[eager mulch]

Plymouth in CV fleet

[hollow gust]

Well she is really tank and has good dps

As I said > hinden/agir/unzen

[steady beacon]

You can, yes, but that wasn't what I meant
I just meant that it makes things as a whole easier if you kill her in two rotations

[eager mulch]

needing a tank in cm

[hollow gust]

Takao has pretty signicant dot, Plymouth is much more reliable then unzen

[steady beacon]

For one thing, you don't have to waste 40 seconds and one rotation on that stupid shield

Actually, I take that back, it's like half of one rotation and then you kill if your fleet can output enough damage

[hollow gust]

How many people have the sheet dps for a 2 strike though , a lot more are capable of doing it in 4

A 4 strike is always easier to pull off

[whole crypt]

just 2 fleet it and call it a day

[jaunty vault]

nah, id win

[steady beacon]

A fair enough question
I remember cheesing Helena last August to pull that off for the first time, so I'd offer that you probably don't need that much if you're willing to RNG Helena for two rotations and call subs...
But I guess it also depends on whether you have the ships to do it

[steady beacon]

Why 2 fleet when you can 1 fleet though

[whole crypt]

why bother tweaking for 1 fleet though

[steady beacon]

Because it's fun

[south sequoia]

Honestly if you're having problems to tweak for 1 fleet you might as well put the same amount of effort to tweaking a second fleet instead and get it over with

[hollow gust]

Why tweak a fleet for harby lmao , just run eagle and sakura; all three harbys are oneshot for them

[whole crypt]

I hardly tweak at all, if it clears in 1 fleet good, if not wrap it up with the next

AL is super casual

[cobalt rapids]

just run rainbows

[hollow gust]

Difference between light and medium harby for eagle is 1 gun and 2 planes

[hushed dawn]

Can you beat Modney with 3BB?

[grizzled creek]

Btw while reading the guide i notice it mentions first objective besides events is for chapter 9

so i should farm this event with the red coins? or is it hard for a noob

[cobalt rapids]

yes

[steady beacon]

Yes... but it is torture

[hushed dawn]

Huh, so it is possible. Is it consistent?

[half plover]

can anyone tell me why repeat sortie costs like 888 oil for 3rounds at 12-1? isnt it oil capped?

[cobalt rapids]

hardly

[steady beacon]

Possible? Yes.
Consistent? Dear God, no.

[hushed dawn]

Damn.

[hollow gust]

Have fun telling Helena to proc all 4 times and crit fishing your bbs

[steady beacon]

888 sounds... probably right?
It costs me 951 for three rounds of 12-4, so...

[half plover]

ooh so expensive

[dusk maple]

39 oil per mob x7(?) mobs, 52 for boss.

[whole crypt]

normally when an event is active, grind event first for points because there are reward items in milestones and event shop that don't come by as much in regular grinds

[cobalt rapids]

(39*6 + 52 )x 3 + 30

[dusk maple]

oh it's 6 huh

[whole crypt]

if your levels are too low to grind event effectively then do campaign first, but you can go back to event again after some levels... but current event is over in like less than 2 days

[grizzled creek]

Ok I'll try my best, I can grind any stage of it right?

[whole crypt]

the higher, the better, whichever is accessible for you

[grizzled creek]

Thx

[hushed dawn]

Hmmm, how power creeped is Musashi?
Compared to... New Jersey, for example.

[eager mulch]

Musashi is not power crept by NJ

Musashi is top end UR BBs

[whole crypt]

Musashi is still best damage against heavy for BBs isn't she

[grizzled creek]

Ok well I got destroyed on stage 1 lmao , so I just farm campaign til I can beat it ?

[south sequoia]

by a long shot

[stable badger]

is there an advantage to have 2 of the same ship? 2 shinanos, 2 NJs?

[idle jungle]

Old news(?)

After maintains on 5/9

Add: North Carolina and Schranhorst unique module.

Add voiceline: Fredich

[south sequoia]

If you already have the originals at max star, the copies serve no purpose

[eager mulch]

there is a disadvantage

[south sequoia]

However, if they aren't fully limit broken, you can use them for limit breaking

[hushed dawn]

So not as bad then as NJ.

[steady beacon]

Power crept? No.
Has she experienced some competition for her spot in some comps? Yes... but the full details are probably... a bit too long to be put here.

[whole crypt]

oh they're adding voice for F. Carl?

[eager mulch]

Prep for the new event

[whole crypt]

voice most important in the game for me

[eager mulch]

I play with no volume

[south sequoia]

Musashi isn't powercreeped
It's just soyuz is more flexible to use

[stable badger]

like, leveling up another copy, getting it to max limit break as well, to have in 2 fleets or something

[late flame]

waste of resources

[south sequoia]

In opsi you want as much flex as possible, musashi isn't able to provide that due to gunlock

[whole crypt]

same

[eager mulch]

Wasteful and skill issued

[idle jungle]

Yasuno Kiyono

[south sequoia]

It's only an option if you're a veteran with a butt ton of resources and you don't care

[whole crypt]

yeh I saw

[south sequoia]

But if you aren't at that point, no point since it's consuming a lot of resources and time for a copy you would only use in... one mode.

[whole crypt]

just don't

[stable badger]

i am... it's just, is there a benefit? i mean, New Jersey has been power creeped already

[eager mulch]

No benefit, wasteful

[whole crypt]

even for a brand new, shiny not-powercrept UR we don't recommend raising dupes

there are often alternative ships you can use, sometimes even better than using said dupe

[grizzled creek]

This isnt my team , but to confirm , the part I circled is the frontline right ?

[steady beacon]

Unless it's an unusual, weird case where there is some theoretical reason to want a second...
All it really does is let you run one copy for PvE and another for PvP without having to change your gears
But... that's a lot of sunk resources for saving yourself like... a few seconds every time you do your exercises

[grizzled creek]

Thx

[eager mulch]

easily solvable by just not doing pvp

[steady beacon]

If you don't do PvP, that's your choice entirely

[whole crypt]

just don't use the ships you use for pvp if it needs regearing

[sharp socket]

should i mlb my gold sub u96

[grizzled creek]

One more thing for rn what's a BB? Or what does it mean I see Pennsylvanian is one

[sharp socket]

its my only gold sub and i dont really have anyone else to mlb

[steady beacon]

BB = battleship

[whole crypt]

battleship

[grizzled creek]

Ohhhh thx

[sharp socket]

also minor IB tech

[stable badger]

that makes sense. though i don't min-max pvp. like, i don't see enough reason to have 1 gun in pve and another in pvp. just run the same in both.

[steady beacon]

Indeed, and that's fine

[whole crypt]

pvp has its own meta

[steady beacon]

You are not obliged to, and indeed most people don't, play PvP especially seriously

[late flame]

https://imgur.com/a/YoxqS7A

[hollow gust]

[whole crypt]

the thing is even then it's totally not recommended to raise and use a dupe, you also just completely can't use dupes in OS either

it's simply not worth the investment

[steady beacon]

First question: do you have anything else that could use the Bulins right now?

[sharp socket]

i could have one of these

but i dont know if i need to get a new ship

[steady beacon]

U-96, and submarines in general, are worth investment in, certainly, but not at the cost of your surface units for the most part
U-96 is (currently) a member of one of the top submarine fleets (the wolf pack), so she certainly can see potential use in future if/whenever you are able to complete that fleet

[viscid swift]

Grab Bismarck or Tirpitz if you need IB tech

[sharp socket]

heres what i got

[tame jungle]

idk if nagato is still worth using but i still use her quite frequently

[viscid swift]

She's just tech like most of the other BBs there

[tame jungle]

i also already had amagi and tosa. tosa's quite unique

[sharp socket]

independence is coming up so i dunno if i need another cv

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... it's looking a bit into the future but uh...
I'd probably devote those bulins, plus her dupe, to Volga myself

[tame jungle]

big problem with nagato is that her barrage is just so inconsistent imo

[steady beacon]

There will come a time when you will find a secondary healer like her useful

[viscid swift]

Or Jeanne d' Arc

[tame jungle]

jeanne farmable right? in war archives

[viscid swift]

Better than dumping gold Bullins in a ship you may not even use

[hollow gust]

Nagato copium

[tame jungle]

still had her from when i played 4 years ago 🤷

[viscid swift]

That may be the case but things have changed since then

[steady beacon]

Nagato is still fine in her role
Just that use case has declined considerably, in light of other potential options
Every so often, like this META, she resurrects like some vengeful spirit, though

[tame jungle]

oh i'm definitely not denying that things have changed, quite the contrary. i think a ship you already have + have at 120 is worth more than a ship you don't own

plus it's not like i really have any issues clearing opsi with my fleets anyway

[night pumice]

should I be raising levels to 3* as soon as possible to unlock hardmode chapters

[sharp socket]

so what do i send gold bulins into

[steady beacon]

Choose between Volga and Jeanne

[viscid swift]

Well yes but the issue is that Nagato has been surpassed by ships that are as easily available if not more so than her.

[whole crypt]

I mean the main reason Nagato was brought up for Rodney was for timing, in normal encounters Musashi does more damage than Nagato can buff IJN carriers for

[tame jungle]

sandy if you're able to get her retrofit

[sharp socket]

alr ill go volga then

[idle jungle]

Nagato still fit in IJN main CV team beside 40 % barrage. Still a good sup for Shinano or

[sharp socket]

sandy retro is hell

[tame jungle]

but idk how far along and how your resources are

[viscid swift]

Nah, sandy is very low down on the priority list.

[sharp socket]

im at 12-1 currently

[mighty jasper]

..... +2 fp and you need to 120 a bad bb as a new player. im only now lvling tirpitz and shes terrible xd. why not pick amagi /nagato/JB - prolly more usefull

[idle jungle]

Only if you need it on 14,15 airplane chapters

[tame jungle]

do you have any other AA boats

[sharp socket]

uh montpelier?

[steady beacon]

Montpelier is, unfortunately, not exactly an AA boat 👀

[sharp socket]

then i dunno

[viscid swift]

Because Bismarck and Tirpitz give IB tech which can among other things help unlock and Grind out FDG

[tame jungle]

eh

[sharp socket]

montpelier has AA skill buff so uh yea

[whole crypt]

depends on what your carrier fleet is for, if OS bossing then third ship after Shinano and Hakuryuu is stop support
if more generic fights then any strong BB, we have enough BBs that add enough to offset Nagato's buff

[tame jungle]

montpelier is funny but idk if that's the level of AA i'm talking about lol

[idle jungle]

If you want low tier aa boat that sup carrier, I think curlew fits.

[steady beacon]

Ye I know, but she isn't... quite on the league of what is um
Gonna save you in W15, at least

[tame jungle]

W15, also known as Hell

[viscid swift]

W14 is not an AA heavy environemnt

[sharp socket]

i dont think im gonna be trying that anytime soon lol

[viscid swift]

Sandy is a long term project mainly because of her retro item, given it conflicts with limit breaking URs

[sharp socket]

i heard w14 can suck

[idle jungle]

Ops, I mean 13

[hollow gust]

W14 is easy asf nowadays

[steady beacon]

No need to, just take it slowly
Once you're in W12 and in prime farming territory, any further campaign progression is entirely at your own pace, and you are not obliged to rush

[viscid swift]

if you're not prepared for it yes, it can suck

[mighty jasper]

ohh fair thats a decent reason. in terms of hitting the FDG requirements tho - aren't we getting emden event rerun next?

[red stirrup]

im about to finish coining FdG, suggestions for a new DR ship to coin?

[viscid swift]

possibly but that probably won't be for a month at least and you need to consider that not everyone will have such a luxury

[steady beacon]

Apart from the flex and the drop SR, all you really gain from them is the gems for 3-star rewards (which, granted, are desired, but it's a nontrivial amount of suffering to go through for them)

[whole crypt]

2 chapters of gems won't really save you if you don't want to buy gems but want to spend

[tame jungle]

what's the gimmicks with 13, 14 and 15 again? 13 is planes pt2 right

[idle jungle]

dock go brr brr

[viscid swift]

W13 is planes, W14 is subs, BBs, rammers, concealment mechanics, etc

W15 is the cursed child between W13-H and W14

[whole crypt]

13 is planes
14 is 11 on steroids + subs
15 is 14 + 13H

[steady beacon]

13 is Planes: The Sequel
14 is concealment, subs, and a lot of BB fire
15 is everything you hated about 13 and 14, pumped to eleven

[tame jungle]

mama mia!

[steady beacon]

Oh right, rammers how did I forget that lmao

[astral turret]

Does anybody have an example team for 14-3? I was able to 3 star 14-2 on lethal, I can't even get to the boss on 3 lol

[idle jungle]

Fire extinguishers still meta for me

[viscid swift]

well what do you have to work with

start a thread and post your dock

[steady beacon]

Is your difficulty submarines? They first start appearing in 14-3

[sharp socket]

so far i have not paid attention to the game so should i start doing that from w13 onwards

[viscid swift]

yes, if you don't you die

[steady beacon]

Apart from that, any further advice will depend on more specific information about your fleet

[grizzled creek]

Is there different variant of characters on here ? I got a character but not sure if it's the right one

[viscid swift]

yes

Muse ships, small/child ships, and META

[eager mulch]

and the 2s

[whole crypt]

bruteforcing the game kind of stops working around ch13

[idle jungle]

But muse doesn't have tech point

[grizzled creek]

Hm is there a place to send it to see if it's the right one in the guide

[steady beacon]

Damn, you managed to get to W12 without looking at your screen 👀
Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I salute that confidence, at least

[mighty jasper]

yh i suppose, depends on the primary goal rly. deffo bismark over tirpitz tho, if rushing FDG. If going for decent opsci fleets as priority, maybe s1 else.

[grizzled creek]

Like a summon channel

[eager mulch]

Just type the name

[grizzled creek]

Enterprise

It's in the guide but idk if it's the right one

[viscid swift]

is it Gold or Purple

[steady beacon]

If it's the SR one, then it's the right one

[grizzled creek]

Gold

[viscid swift]

then it's the right one

[grizzled creek]

That's crazy lmao I was reading the guide , n I was also told not to pull n I did a single n got her lol

[steady beacon]

Every so often, RNG is kind...
And then it isn't

[whole crypt]

it's called a hook

[steady beacon]

Since we have a UR upcoming in ~2 weeks-ish, though, it is advisable to do your utmost to conserve your cubes

[mighty jasper]

• and coins lol

[eager mulch]

and sanity

[whole crypt]

is tablet barrage damage attributed to anyone in the fleet on damage screen?

[grizzled creek]

Ok, yea I'll save the rest of them

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... an excellent question...

[whole crypt]

shit didn't do this for half a year and forgot the ramming setup

[steady beacon]

Is there an easy repeatable fight with an endscreen I can use to test that...

Well, I guess I can do some 1-1 shenanigans in some low world but that's effort

[late flame]

fox mines

[steady beacon]

Kinda a pain when you need endscreen lol
Otherwise if it's just a pure mechanics test, CM suffices

[whole crypt]

you could try 1-1C with bulin + tablet I guess

[undone plover]

For aa guns do I +13 2 sexy > rainbow rest?

[silver lintel]

Yea

[steady beacon]

Nope, because I don't believe in dying for a test...
Ugh...
OK, logically right... it should either attribute to the equipper or to the flagship...
Flagship should be easy to verify if they don't fire, and I'll just fully unequip a vanguard ship and try this in OpSi...

[cobalt rapids]

I dont have 4 +13 rainbow aa myself, uk my reccomandation for +13 gear
2 sexy 4 rainbows might be the best w15 setup but otherwise maybe not so it depends on ur prios

[steady beacon]

Oh right... I have no AP, ffs
Idk what the heck happened to me this OpSi cycle, I swear I got no AP boxes at all

[whole crypt]

what do you mean dying
just give the bulin a gun

1-1C is like 2 productions DDs and maybe 1 humanoid

[steady beacon]

Oh "C" means campaign here does it

[whole crypt]

it means specifically campaign ch1 stage 1 node C on the map

[steady beacon]

I interpreted it as 1-1 in Challenge Mode and just dying once the barrage is done

[undone plover]

I can do 2 sexy + 2 UR which should be enough for 15.
Would u do backline i.e staag next?

[whole crypt]

it's the endless ambush node, you just need to not make the recon check

[steady beacon]

Nah, I'm not wasting oil for a test either
I will check later when my AP has regenerated in OpSi...

[cobalt rapids]

i would do roomba but it depends rly on ur prios
like opsi vs campaign clear vs grinding as far as aa goes

[whole crypt]

bah let me fail this run and I'll go test

[undone plover]

But I suppose if u had endless plates u would almost always run quad UR + 2 sexy right? So those 120 plates for roomba would be wasted no?

[whole crypt]

yeh I probably should put more dakka on the carriers...

[undone plover]

Even more so on manual since range wouldnt be a big issue on manual?

[steady beacon]

Should note btw that uh
+13ing your STAAGs is more or less solely for the Siren Killer boost
Don't expect your backline to magically pump out noticeably more AA if you +13 their STAAGs

[undone plover]

Well true but I am also thinking eventually u run out of vanguard slots to +13 so only optimization left would be backline

[opaque galleon]

Keep right? Started with the bottom 3 talents. Idk if I should lose my mind over the potential 4 rld

[cobalt rapids]

depends theres content that cares more about plane leaks with scarce plane amounts such as cv reveal like opsi or w14 reveal so roombas are prefered there due to range + burst

[whole crypt]

lmao bulin hammered the DD for 1.3k damage...

[undone plover]

I c. Well double UR should be safe for now then. Will keep any extra I have left

[steady beacon]

Yep, it's fine
I'd rather raise another Bishamaru in future than throw away that one, which is already probably better than mine who do have full CV RLD

[steep merlin]

what faction is saint louis?

[whole crypt]

looks like tablet barrage damage is given to flag

[stark quiver]

eagle/america

[undone plover]

Saint louis is french

[stark quiver]

huh

[steady beacon]

Yep, fair
Also, I should note I did W15 myself with only one +13 Sextuple, three +13 L/60s so... if you're manualling, you can get away with a fair amount of crap lol

[undone plover]

St louis is american

[whole crypt]

St Louis is USS
Saint Louis is Iris Libre
Saint Louis XP is unlocked using USS ships

[steep merlin]

I see so she gives iris libre tech points? Im abt to get her

[viscid swift]

yes

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Saint_Louis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/St._Louis

it's so much less confusing in CN and JP

[steady beacon]

Yes it is tbh

[steep merlin]

I need tech for friedrich too so I got Roon but where was the guide abt tech points?

[steady beacon]

In JP you couldn't possibly confuse them because the katakana reads exactly how they're pronounced, which is not at all similar...

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

[whole crypt]

CN it's also clear because Saint Louis is Louis the IX and St Louis is St Louis

[viscid swift]

you just get naturally adjusted to it if you've played WoWs

[steady beacon]

Ahh, that's pretty neat

[tame jungle]

true

if you're somehow able tot take st. louis into a t9 battle you are in a very not good place

[whole crypt]

back to bumper bulins

[steady beacon]

Thank you for your service

[stark quiver]

I just rolled a cat with flames aggression and this is a really good thing right?

[opaque galleon]

Depends on the cat

[undone plover]

Depends on the other talents as well but flame is always good

[stark quiver]

It’s a sub cat

[opaque galleon]

Edelweiss is the good elite sub cat

[stark quiver]

oh nice

[whole crypt]

can't believe I'm saying this but I need a DD HP Justice

[steady beacon]

You can have mine

[sharp token]

that surface torp that goes straight in gear lab, is it wise to use it on kazagumo? since her barrage goes straight too

or just use quadmag?

[steady beacon]

Not on auto (unless you're in PvP, anyway, where you shouldn't be using Kazagumo, regardless)

The Mk IX/line-firing torpedo in PvE is pretty much only to be used on manual
Bc otherwise it's probably just going to miss your target miserably

[tame jungle]

if you use an augment like the one that buffs firepower on first salvo, does that also buff the ship that fires the salvo?

[undone plover]

I forgot but do shipyard ships cap on xp before 100?

[steady beacon]

... I'm like 99% sure it does, but let me also go and double check some sources real quick to clear up that 1% of doubt

[steady beacon]

No, they function like URs and METAs in that regard

[sharp token]

so if im going auto i should use quadmag and in manual the line firing torp?

[elfin hollow]

Yippiee (almost finished)

[steady beacon]

Yep

[steady beacon]

Double checked... it does
It basically functions the same way as e.g. Centaur's skill 2, in terms of point of application

[tame jungle]

thanks for checking!

[steady beacon]

And I guess, in hindsight, it'd be bizarre if it didn't, given the great Shoukaku mistake that they did eventually rectify

[whole crypt]

it's so annoying when CM bosses stick too far to the right of the screen

[tame jungle]

does shokaku still not self buff btw?

[whole crypt]

Shoukaku buffs herself now

[tame jungle]

i can't read nvm!

[steady beacon]

Nah they fixed that (thankfully) in uh... late 2020 I think?

[tame jungle]

i saw "the great shokaku mistake" and went in shock

[whole crypt]

should have been part of the skill revamps in the patch they launched OS

[tame jungle]

oh i should read about that lol

[night pumice]

this may be a dumb question but what's a good way to get rid of a few thousand oil fast outside of just farming

[viscid swift]

okay yeah call to arms next patch as expected

[steady beacon]

You can buy curry in the dorm

[elfin hollow]

I love that green haired one!-I forgot her name.

Do you know where on the map I can get her as a loot drop?

[whole crypt]

/wiki glowworm

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Glowworm
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Glowworm/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Glowworm/Gallery

May 7, 2024, 2:49 PM

[elfin hollow]

Thankies!

[stark quiver]

Is this what is considered a good cv cat

[steady beacon]

Ace Pilot is good
The Helmsman skill... is not, unfortunately

... he said, even though one of his CV cats has a 3-star Helmsman skill

[night pumice]

when should I start seriously looking into cats

[stark quiver]

it got rookie officer as well so imma pick that

[night pumice]

like instead of just usng whatever when should I be trying to optimize or whatever

[whole crypt]

when you need places to burn coin

you could start by just buying up the SR cat boxes during events

[steady beacon]

Some would argue never
Hmmmm... Idk if I can pinpoint a specific moment when you should be trying for serious optimisation...
But I guess... if/when you reach a point where you find yourself needing stuff like extra CV RLD... that is when you know you need the good cats...

[undone plover]

When u dont need gold for other more important stuff. U can tell me when u reach that point cuz I am curious as well

[stark quiver]

my cat has rookie officer now

i guess having 2/3 skills catered towards cv is fine right?

[steady beacon]

Certainly, my original inspiration for caring about cats was when I realised my CVs can't go fast enough without them

[whole crypt]

ideally you want ace + officer and/or reload

[stark quiver]

i got ace + officer + helmsman, if i reset the talents, theyll sitll be there right?

[steady beacon]

Only the talents you started with remain after reset

[jaunty vault]

are those base talents

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/CatGuide

[steady beacon]

If you just rolled Officer, then no, it vanishes

[stark quiver]

iirc base talent is ace pilot + helmsman

[undone plover]

U can see what talents are left when u hit reset before confirming

[mental marlin]

any SR BB ship worth it to buy with 80 medails in the event shop? i already have nagato and warsprite

[viscid swift]

Hood

[mental marlin]

shes in the main row right´?

[steady beacon]

Do you mean main fleet/backline? If so, all BBs go in the main fleet/backline
Unless you're Richelieu in that one event cutscene

[mental marlin]

ok thanks 🙂
is my team "okay"?
I would use Hood, Unicorn and Enterprise in the backline
and Ajax (i just like her lol), Helena (Retrofit) and Portland/ or Z23

[viscid swift]

preferably Portland, Z23, and Helena for the vanguard but yes

[normal crane]

Are there any eagle union ships on the guild shop to increase tech points?

[viscid swift]

yes, Colorado and Maryland among others

[mental marlin]

ok i see, but if want to use ajax, then should i rather use portland or z23?

[normal crane]

Thanks

[viscid swift]

Portland

[steady beacon]

You could go worse than Ajax, put it that way
You mainly want to ensure you complete the retros for both Z23 (or, at least, a starter) and Portland to complete the beginner missions, irrespective of whether you use them in your fleet or not

[mental marlin]

ok i see

man can i only do 3 hard missions per day? the golden retrofit blueprints barely drop

[eager mulch]

that’s life

[steady beacon]

Alas, that is unfortunately just how it is
Getting those BPs is not too easy, or quick, early on

[mental marlin]

ok i see

[viscid swift]

honestley with both Hood and Enterprise obtained finishing the rookie missions lower on the priority list, mainly finishing the starter

do Unicorn's retro first if you haven't already and then Portland

[normal crane]

So i just started developing Anchorage, do i need dev30 to be able to use her and change Portland?

[viscid swift]

preferably yes

[whole crypt]

d25 is probably fine for Anchorage

she's definitely better than Portland by that point

[jaunty vault]

d25 ancho is better than port yes

[normal crane]

How many blueprints do i need to reach dev25? Currently have 200 for her

[warm flax]

Is Langley equally good as Implac on support fleet?

[whole crypt]

no, by quite a stretch

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Research#Enhancing

[rain vine]

/devbp

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460648604974055424/885529968455598170/unknown.png

[steady beacon]

Oh, neat command 👀
You're close, if you have 200

[whole crypt]

I still think it's better to teach folks to use wiki for info

[normal crane]

23 more huh, thanks guys

[rain vine]

you can coin anchorage, so i wouldnt worry about getting more actual bps

[normal crane]

Ahh neat, thankies

[mental marlin]

how does my formation look 🙂 ?

[jaunty vault]

ajax?

[mental marlin]

ye i just like her

[jaunty vault]

is alright

[steady beacon]

Solid, although I do have to ask how both Helena and Ajax got retro'd before Uni there 👀

[viscid swift]

missing some limit breaks but it suffices for the early game

[jaunty vault]

masochist

[whole crypt]

I like being stepped on too

[mental marlin]

ajax has no retro, its just a skin

[steady beacon]

Oh that's a skin 👀

[viscid swift]

yeah Helena being retroed first is an interesting choice

[mental marlin]

why, cause i didnt retroed unicorn first? 😮

[steady beacon]

Well, even if you didn't retro Uni first
Talking strictly cruisers, you'd normally retro Port first

[viscid swift]

well typically the order is Unicorn, Portland, then your starter

[whole crypt]

Unicorn and Portland usually has higher priority, mainly due to the mileage you get out of the investment

[viscid swift]

after that it's Nelson and/or Saratoga if you're using them

[mental marlin]

ah i see, i mean i almost have unicorn retroed... but i ignored my starter and portland lul

[warm flax]

Should I get a 3rd Tenrai?

[mental marlin]

guess i will have to farm even more hard missions for the retrofit blueprints

[steady beacon]

Ehhhhh... one of those things where your mileage may really vary...
How does your other UR equipment look?

[eager mulch]

Do you need a 3rd tenrai is the question

[eternal cloak]

How do I speed up this? It's so close 😭

[jaunty vault]

grind faster

[steady beacon]

Apart from trying to arrange your flagship to get MVP and, of course, farming on a map with good exp/oil ratio... there unfortunately isn't much you can functionally do to make it much faster...

[whole crypt]

nice

[eager mulch]

Full IB backline in 12-4

[steady beacon]

Lol, I guess "grind faster" in the sense of speeding your completion time per run if you can is useful, for pure temporal purposes

[eager mulch]

Oklahoma and Nevada give good tech right?

[viscid swift]

BB reload

[eager mulch]

HeleYeah

[whole crypt]

excuse me wtf?

the torp comp results are just getting weirder everyday

[steady beacon]

Not really, no
With that vanguard you are basically rolling a roulette wheel with regards to whiffing

If anything, the only objectively "weird" score is Unzen underperforming that badly
Everyone else's numbers are normal enough, and by good fortune all are contributing just enough to compensate for that underperformance

[whole crypt]

bottom line I'm still more comfortable RNGing movement than Helena procs... the actual odds probably aren't too different though

[steady beacon]

Depends on what the RNG of the Helena comp is tbh
If you believe CN and it is 75% then I don't think the torpedo comp makes it
If it's more like 30 or 40% then I'd rather put my faith in the torpers, who get me just under 50%, all up, and considering all variants I've tried so far

[whole crypt]

I mean we had this discussion and it's definitely not 75%

[steady beacon]

[whole crypt]

but in any case anecdotaly the floor for torp comp feels higher than nagato CV

I don't think I've seen the comp leave more than 20 bars, which has happened with Nagato with absolutely shit procs

[hollow gust]

Lmao nagato fleet has like a 30% wr

[whole crypt]

CN claims otherwise, but if you do the math on Helena procs it doesn't work out

[steady beacon]

Mhm
Worst I've ever seen, which was way back at the start when we were still trying to refine the comp, was 13 bars left, and these days it's always single-digits if she survives
So if you measure consistency in that manner, it's definitely more consistent...

[eternal cloak]

[hollow gust]

Hey my belief is that for consistency, a fleet that kills more often is more consistent

[whole crypt]

in practice you need Helena twice in the first 3 procs and the first airstrike to not whiff

[eternal cloak]

I am but they're getting tired too fast

[whole crypt]

put them in dorm

[eternal cloak]

Already did

[whole crypt]

how long have you been doing this

[eternal cloak]

I did 2 times repeat sortie with 3x drop

[viscid swift]

sortie where exactly

[eternal cloak]

7-4 story

[whole crypt]

HELP is 2x, and it also doubles your morale reduction

[viscid swift]

well that explains a lot

[whole crypt]

7-4 is shit XP, get to a higher chapter first

[steady beacon]

Oh God, you're doing PR grind pre-oil cap

[eternal cloak]

I'm lazy to go through story

[viscid swift]

don't even bother with grinding xp for PR ships until you get to 9-1 first, preferably W12

[eager mulch]

Big waste

[whole crypt]

if you can be lazy with campaign then just be lazy with PR/DR XP as well

[eternal cloak]

They're dying on higher chapter

[whole crypt]

then you need to level them up/LB them/give them better gear

PR XP is not going to be fast before ch11

[eternal cloak]

I've passed 9-4 already, the exp grind fleet isn't my main one, my main fleet has 14k power on front and back

[viscid swift]

if you want to grind XP faster and more efficiently, yougotta put in some leg work first and push the main campaign

fleet power is a useless metric

and if you do hae access to oil capped maps then farm there at the very least

[whole crypt]

sounds like a "I put shiny gear on for fleet power but it's all actually shit gear" problem

[steady beacon]

+13 Z Flags moment

[eternal cloak]

Im lvl 88 on my account but idk a shit about this game and how it works

[whole crypt]

well you have 2 options
don't give a shit about research being slow
learn the game

[steady beacon]

TLDR, exp gained spikes massively from World 11+, so if you want to do PR grinds faster you pretty much always want to do them in W11+

[eternal cloak]

I would like to learn the game but it looks hard asf

[viscid swift]

it's not really

[eternal cloak]

Alright got it ig

[whole crypt]

you don't have to remember everything, a handful of things done by habit/rote already fixes most of your problems up to ch12/13

[soft raft]

it's much more easier once you wrap your head around at least the key parts which isnt as hard as you might think

[whole crypt]

another thing is you don't have to tackle every problem at the same time

[silk sphinx]

There’s a lot of content yes, but most of it is quite repetitive

[steady beacon]

In terms of progressing through campaign, you can always ask here for advice, if you're finding trouble in that area

[whole crypt]

there's probably more than 1 problem to the fleet, or the gear, but you don't have to fix everything in one go

[silk sphinx]

Rather than complicated there’s just a lot of stuff

[eternal cloak]

And the key parts are gears, app, fpp and other things like that, right?

[viscid swift]

literally no idea what the last 2 things are

[whole crypt]

no idea what you mean by app and fpp... for a start we don't even know what you're doing wrong, unless you're willing to show and ask

[eternal cloak]

I mean those things:

[steady beacon]

Stats, I'm guessing...?

[eager mulch]

avi and fp?

[whole crypt]

possibly. but those aren't things you really need to look at or remember

[eternal cloak]

Oh mb it's fp, hp, trp avi etc

[whole crypt]

you don't really need to care about what the stats say

[silk sphinx]

Also it’s a great game to pick up and dive into; lots of guides (some are up to date, others are not), very active discord with people who can help with basically anything quickly

[eternal cloak]

Yeah but I need to equip things that increase those stats at ships that are using them

[whole crypt]

you just need to pick the right gear and the right stats get filled up

you don't need to go out of your way to find gear that raise specific stats

[viscid swift]

read sam's guide in #bot-spam /equip to get your gear sorted

[eternal cloak]

Alr, I'll try to switch the gears and try to fix things

Thanks guys

[whole crypt]

gear guide, tier list gear recommendations are good places to start to see what you shouold be equiping, anything you don't see on those lists you don't really even need to bother

game has a lot of rubbish gear if you want to go through every single piece

[eternal cloak]

My main fleet rn looks like this, was it a good choice of ships or mid?

[whole crypt]

is that Hatakaze META? besides her you're mostly fine

[viscid swift]

the fact that's struggling in W10 says massive gear issues

[whole crypt]

Ulrich would like that last LB but it's probably not the biggest problem you have

[eternal cloak]

Nah, I'm not struggling with this fleet, I have second one I've made to farm iron blood exp

[whole crypt]

levels, gear and LB

it's always at least one of thsoe

[eternal cloak]

In other words, alot of grind xd

[whole crypt]

like I said, if you don't show us that fleet and what it's using, we can't tell you what's wrong

[viscid swift]

well for a start, you don't need to run an IB vanguard

[eternal cloak]

Alr this is the fleet for grind

[viscid swift]

second, you're not even using 3 IB main fleets so that's nearly 1/3rd of your potential XP gone

[whole crypt]

Bismarck will probably want flag too

that third ship if you're not bringing a third KMS, at least bring Unicorn to keep the fleet up

[eternal cloak]

Should I put her in middle then?

[steady beacon]

Main issue in terms of speed is only 2 IB backline
In terms of struggling, I can't see what Bismarck is, but setting her aside for a sec, apart from Blucher, it's surprising you'd suffer in 7-4... which does probably imply some considerable gear issues

[whole crypt]

preferably, but we'll probably find even more problems with the gear

2 KMS isn't even his biggest problem, he's grinding in a poor XP stage because the fleet can't survive

[eternal cloak]

I'm switching the non ib with ulrich when I'm starting to grind

[whole crypt]

but yes, you don't need to use KMS vanguards, easier if you have more capable vanguard ships carrying

[eager mulch]

poor xp stage, poor xp efficiency, questionable fleets and gear

[eternal cloak]

I'm suffering on 8-3 and higher

[viscid swift]

so many issues to be found and fixed here

[steady beacon]

We kinda want to sort the last point first, really...
Because based on just those two screenshots, you probably can do this farm in W12 (on safe) once you sort your gears out

[whole crypt]

for a start swap out the vanguards if you can't fill in better main fleet ships

[eternal cloak]

I'm sorry, I suck in this game

[whole crypt]

vanguard ships do not contribute to FdG's CDC at all

[steady beacon]

Can you start a thread with screenshots of the gears each of your ships are carrying? That is probably the easiest way

[viscid swift]

best start a thread for this

[eternal cloak]

Alr

[viscid swift]

let's get the main fleet(s) sorted before we even get back to the issue of farming xp

[eternal cloak]

I suck at this game 😭

[whole crypt]

C6 zone with no trash nodes I feel robbed

I think this is the first time I've seen the map spawn with no trash nodes

[steady beacon]

I presume trash node = cat?
What the heck kind of luck have you got that C6 spawns cat nodes that regularly...

[whole crypt]

no, explorable for the month, it spawned with 3 promoted and 0 regular mob nodes

it did have 2 cat nodes though... but muh commander XP

[obtuse knoll]

help my sirius keep dying on chapter 14 boss fleet, already equipped her with toolkit and washing machines. Should I just swap her for someone else?

[whole crypt]

have you considered not using Sirius instead

[steady beacon]

... Wait, wait...
How did it have zero regular mob nodes...?

[whole crypt]

exactly?

[obtuse knoll]

aurora died too

[whole crypt]

which boss is this

[obtuse knoll]

14-2

[whole crypt]

neither Aurora nor Sirius has any business there

[steady beacon]

Why are you using Aurora or Sirius for Chapter 14 bosses?
Like, even for those twin DDs, there are better options, given the way the boss node is set up

[obtuse knoll]

should i just use sandy or helena?

[whole crypt]

Sandy may help, but there are better options... which we don't know if you have them

[steady beacon]

Sandy, sure, I suppose (but there are better options)
Helena... is not generally advised for Chapter 14+ boss fleets, due to not wanting to sync your damage in order to effectively clear the pre-boss waves

[obtuse knoll]

wait let me screenshot

[whole crypt]

also might drop Azuma and just let Guam main tank, throwing in more DPS can help clear faster = take less damage

[obtuse knoll]

pretty much all I have

also unzen shimakaze and anchorage is in the mob

[viscid swift]

use that Agir, Dev 20 is fine for this

[obtuse knoll]

not full pr tho

[obtuse knoll]

so all CBs for boss fleet?

[whole crypt]

he's already using Guam, which is also fine

[steady beacon]

Dev 25+ is fully usable for tanking purposes

But yes, no especial reason why Guam isn't gonna work either

[obtuse knoll]

it's just my CLs keep dying

[viscid swift]

I meant in place of Sirius

[whole crypt]

I'd probably chuck Shimakaze in there

or Unzen

[steady beacon]

Also, are you... running Anch/Unzen/Shima in mob

[obtuse knoll]

yes

[whole crypt]

probably move Unzen to boss and use San Diego instead in mob
will help in 14-3 onwards anyway

[viscid swift]

or kawakaze on mob but yes, that's what I'd do

[obtuse knoll]

okay then will try

[whole crypt]

you'll probably want to try to invest in more vanguard units, you're missing quite a bunch we'd usually want to shove in at this stage

DDGs and Harbin would be a start, Shimanto if you can work on her

do you have Laffey II by any chance, if you have Guam you should have been around for the event

[obtuse knoll]

yes but no copy

[whole crypt]

not enough bulins?

[obtuse knoll]

yeah will build her later then I guess

[whole crypt]

might want to try to work on DDGs and Harbin then, not sure if it's worth the investment for Yuudachi for now

[obtuse knoll]

also will work on plymouth after agir but will pretty much take me another 6 months

[frank pulsar]

yuudachi isnt rly worth it nowadays imho

[whole crypt]

it shouldn't take 6 months https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[viscid swift]

either way what you should be more than capable of tackling W14 right now

[whole crypt]

yeh she isn't, especially if you're short on spec cores I can't really recommend getting her retrofit item

[obtuse knoll]

wait who is ddg

[frank pulsar]

an shan, chang chun and tai yuan

[viscid swift]

an shan, chang chun, and tai yuan retro

[steady beacon]

An Shan, Chang Chun, and Tai Yuan

[whole crypt]

An Shan, Chang Chun and Tai Yuan with their retrofits

[steady beacon]

So there is a standardised order for listing them

[frank pulsar]

i just went by alphabetical order

[obtuse knoll]

I see.. the chinese fleet

[whole crypt]

An Shan is the class nameship, the rest is the order they received retrofit
off the top of my head Chang Chun should actually be last by numbering

[atomic abyss]

and everyone forgets fu shun, even in the old days

[whole crypt]

Fu Shun has no DDG retrofit (yet)

we didn't forget her but we're talking about DDGs

[atomic abyss]

i mean, even in the days of yore
if you actually ran the an shan trio, fu shun was the one left out

[steady beacon]

Nah, it's Tai Yuan who's last
Hence why she's the "youngest" sister of the group

[atomic abyss]

the pre retro an shan trio was basically the discount z trio

[steady beacon]

So I guess these days, Z-trio is just discount them 👀

[whole crypt]

well Fu Shun also has the worst skill

[obtuse knoll]

also should I use hedgehog on shimakaze or not?

[whole crypt]

not before 14-3

[frank pulsar]

use on whoever has the highest asw stat thats preferably not your tank when youre at 14-3 or 14-4

[steady beacon]

In 14-3, you want someone to carry that Hedgehog
Because, unless you somehow can luck all battleship mob nodes, you will run into submarines

[whole crypt]

now if you're onto 14-3, that's why I recommended bringing San Diego

[inland shoal]

So An Shan, Fu Shun, Chang Chun, Tai Yuan?

[frank pulsar]

also unless your hedgehog is +13, youll need asw planes on your cvl or use depth charges to supplement your asw

[steady beacon]

Yep, that's the order

[obtuse knoll]

I'll just chuck the asw planes on unicorn then

[whole crypt]

1 is usually enough

I'd recommend putting the hedgehog on San Diego, mainly as a matter of Shimakaze's durability

[steady beacon]

... Ngl, I never even thought about it until you listed it right there but
By sheer and utter coincidence, the initials in that order... spells something in the game... 👀

[whole crypt]

that item is coming back soon™️

[frank pulsar]

the gold tbm avenger from recent event is good, otherwise just use the purple gearlab version

[obtuse knoll]

okay thanks will ask again when I run into problems

[whole crypt]

wasn't it Guam's event that had the plane

[steady beacon]

It was

[whole crypt]

then he should have it

[eager mulch]

unless he didn’t get it

[frank pulsar]

idk idr when it released
is it just me or is wiki slow again

[steady beacon]

Seems fine to me
But at this point, I think wiki performance might be about where any one person is...

[ivory crown]

should i buy enty for dupes or buy smth else for collection

[sullen creek]

If you haven't mlb'd her

[frank pulsar]

wait is the purple asw plane from core only?

[whole crypt]

lab

[viscid swift]

it's also in the gear lab

[steady beacon]

No, it can be created in Lab also

[whole crypt]

lab is generally "cheaper"

[frank pulsar]

wiki only says core exchange

[steady beacon]

Read the row right below it

[frank pulsar]

i have dyslexia

[jaunty vault]

theres two purple ASW planes

[steady beacon]

He did specify the TBM Avenger a little back, so I'd assume he continues to mean that ASW plane tbh...

[frank pulsar]

isnt the purple tbm avenger the only asw plane youd use aside from the gold one

[night pumice]

do I need an entire lvl 125 fleet to have a chance at the event ISP maps?

[steady beacon]

Nope, the ISP stages are borderline memes lol

[frank pulsar]

no you dont, like 110-120 is good enough iirc

[night pumice]

well damn, I only have 90-100

[frank pulsar]

125 only needed for end game stuff not events lol

[steady beacon]

Honestly, if you can field a full fleet of 100s
With good equipment
You can probably still get away with it

[frank pulsar]

i kinda doubt they got the equipment if they only have 90-100 ships

[night pumice]

guess I'll hold off then, my equipment isn't good

[steady beacon]

Tbf it's what
Cube + some coins
I mean, the cubes are nice, but there are probably way worse things to miss out on

[night pumice]

been trying to save for the upcoming ur and I don't think I'll have enough cubes by end of may

[steady beacon]

How many are you currently on?

[night pumice]

167

[steady beacon]

Assuming not preposterous luck, that is a number that can reach 400 by the end of the event, at the very least

[frank pulsar]

that's kinda pushing it
should be fine though if youre not too unlucky

[night pumice]

haven't gotten cubes from a commission since I've started playing which is why I'm kinda worried lol

it'll show up under the chance rewards but I've yet to have any drop

[viscid swift]

how long have you been playing?

[eager mulch]

we have this week, prelude, then 3 weeks for the event, plenty of cubes there

[viscid swift]

and how many cube commissions have you actually done in that time

[night pumice]

maybe 20? been on-and-off since early april, usually just logging in for the daily stuff and commissions

[viscid swift]

that's not great rng but not that unexpected either

if you want more cubes from commissions you need to cycle through them more regualrly

and play more regularly so that you can get more commissions spawns

[frank pulsar]

how many rainbow aa gun is enough for w15

[whole crypt]

not sure what your commander level is but low level commissions also have atrocious drop rates

[night pumice]

ah that makes more sense then I'm only level 50

[whole crypt]

you'll want to push ahead somewhat to get better rolls on your commissions

[gloomy mesa]

are there any elite ships worth grinding for on the event map?

[frank pulsar]

i could barely clear with 2 definitely not 0

[whole crypt]

you can get by with 0 but you'll need to be stacked otherwise

[frank pulsar]

is 4 a good stopping point? or maybe third wyvern is better?

[cobalt rapids]

wyverns are better than rainbow aa

[frank pulsar]

wyvern it is then

[cobalt rapids]

unless its on support fleet

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind we have a gear lab update in about a month probably

[whole crypt]

support fleet wants wyvern as well on TB only slots for more AVI, it's just not a priority

[frank pulsar]

thats fine, i just started opsi this month after like 2 or 3 months of neglect
i wont be able to make anything rainbow any time soon

[night pumice]

when should I ideally be getting my first retrofit done

[cobalt rapids]

id rather wait for gearlab update like cheeky said, u cleared w15 anyway

idk when but who is unicorn

[eager mulch]

purple cvl

[gloomy mesa]

who ever reacted to this, what does that mean?

[steady beacon]

Helena

[eager mulch]

helena is there but easily obtainable outside

[steady beacon]

In that she is droppable in SP5, but Idk if you'd call that a "grind" per se
Sara too, actually

[gloomy mesa]

oh which stage?

[eager mulch]

I’m a little biased towards helena

[atomic abyss]

helena is on sp5

[gloomy mesa]

yeah hell no

sp3 is my limit

[viscid swift]

Fubuki is a drop on one of the stages....
and she's light pool exlusive otherwise

[eager mulch]

which one

[steady beacon]

SP4
And Dunkerque in SP3

[viscid swift]

the purple haired sob who avoided me for 3 years

[eager mulch]

sounds like you got some bad blood

[gloomy mesa]

Dunkeque any good?

[eager mulch]

no

[gloomy mesa]

nice

[steady beacon]

Ehhhh... I'd be shocked if you have no better options
Only mention her for the same reason as Fubuki, namely she's build only otherwise

[gloomy mesa]

Fubuki any good?

[viscid swift]

nope

[atomic abyss]

Fubuki is nothing more than a meme

[gloomy mesa]

nice, so the only worth while ship is in sp5, and i'm far from clearing that any time soon, lol

[atomic abyss]

....literally

[viscid swift]

but I am obligated to mention her as a collector(100% collection guide coming soon TM)

[atomic abyss]

but yeah you can get helena from guild shop instead

varia what the fuck are you doing here

[astral turret]

What are the odds the level cap will be raised some day

[gloomy mesa]

which lvl ships do you guys recomend for sp4?

[viscid swift]

honestley who knows

[viscid swift]

safe bet is to at least match the levels of the enemies

[steady beacon]

SP4 is like... 60-65 so
Around that level... is generally a good spot to aim for

[summer basin]

I am practicing my GPH mannerism. Leave me be Ender

[viscid swift]

so level 65, may as well go level 70 at that point

[gloomy mesa]

hmm, maybe i get lucky and the game glitches and gives me 10 lvls for 3 of my ships

nvm 20 lvls

[summer basin]

...What glitches

[gloomy mesa]

who knows, a man can dream, no?

[summer basin]

You people say the darndest things

[atomic abyss]

if anything, you're more likely for the game to bug and have your ships vanish entirely...

and i wish i was kidding...

[gloomy mesa]

👀

[obtuse knoll]

Any suggestion for my mob fleet in 14-3? Hedgehog on Sandy and Gold ASW on Unicorn. But my Vanguard(the flagship) fcking dies. Also I managed to clear it once but it's sweaty

[atomic abyss]

it has happened, albeit very rarely

...why is vanguard even in the mob fleet

[steady beacon]

I get they're not 125 but uh
I'd rather trust FDG or UvH in the mob flag spot than Vanguard

[obtuse knoll]

I dont know should it not?

[atomic abyss]

in any case, dropping sara for volga is an option....
in addition to fdg or uvh over vanny

[viscid swift]

Do you not have FDG, or any of the other UR BBs

[obtuse knoll]

this

[steady beacon]

He does, in the next screenshot

[viscid swift]

just use FDG

[tame orchid]

Today i bought eugen from shop

[atomic abyss]

vanny is a BB support for boss fleets essentially

[tame orchid]

And she didnt show up for like, 5 whole mins

I panicked the fuck out

[viscid swift]

in my defense, mobile sucks

[atomic abyss]

not that you can't use her elsewhere but like, fdg and uvh are FAR better mobbers

[obtuse knoll]

UVH or FDG then?

[vale spindle]

Vanguard is fine in mob fleet if there is nothing better

[viscid swift]

FDG

[atomic abyss]

i'd lean fdg cos of her kit

[vale spindle]

I see Soyuz and fdg so there is something better

[obtuse knoll]

soyuz in boss fleet though so FDG yeah

[steady beacon]

Ngl, my only concern about Volga is that level
But otherwise, as Ender said, she would probably do better than Sara

[eager mulch]

also gear maybe possibly be an issue

[obtuse knoll]

what's wrong with volga?

[steady beacon]

It always is

[eager mulch]

especially the BB aux guns

[steady beacon]

She's Level 110, and uh... I would personally want my fleet 120+ for tackling W14+

[atomic abyss]

volga is underlevelled for w14

[viscid swift]

She's only 110 when she's one of the best ships you have for that slot