gameplay-help

[soft raft]

Sure, purple bullins are quite common enough anyways

[cursive creek]

Yeah I relized that

[undone plover]

until then put penny flag

[cursive creek]

I have so many of those purple fuckers

[undone plover]

LB your stuff. they will go away fast

[tropic tusk]

u gonna need alot of them "never enough"

also nimi and helena switch

[eternal moth]

As Blaster said, purple bulins are pretty common, so you can be a little more free with them than you can gold bulins

Limit break your team. You said you have a bunch of purple bulins, so use them. Everyone level 70 or higher there should be max limit broken

If they aren't 70 yet, they should be limit broken twice

[cursive creek]

Even If its not to hard to get there dups

[soft raft]

Yeah

[eternal moth]

Also, Penny should be in the middle, not Unicorn

[sinful elk]

Is Hiryuu meta worth using tho?

[eternal moth]

You want a battleship to shoot all incoming bomb boats, and they can't do that if they're off to one side

[undone plover]

LB them so you progress faster and also u dont waste xp. if a ship is capped (for example level 70 at LB0) they cant get xp

[eternal moth]

She's not terrible but there are better options

[undone plover]

worth levelling to 120 for her tech. u can get much better CV for your fleets

[cursive creek]

Helena with who?

[undone plover]

he meant laffey. nimi is z23

[cursive creek]

Is anyone here better than Shinano-chan?

[sinful elk]

hmm i think i have enough of cvs rn, like volga and theseus

[undone plover]

saratoga after retrofit + augment

[cursive creek]

By the time I have Saratoga Retofited I will have enterprise

I'll just keep this in mind for team 2

[undone plover]

yeah but enterprise goes into boss fleet eventually. saratoga can stay in mob with unicorn.
so for now u can use penny (replace with hood), unicorn, saratoga and then u can get enty for second fleet later.

[normal crane]

Where to farm on chap 10?

[undone plover]

honestly it is fine if u keep shinano-chan. probably easier and faster to push campaign with her and get to ch9 faster. no need to restructure stuff now

[cursive creek]

So who should I Replace in my team two?

[atomic abyss]

You don't really farm on chapter 10 tbh
If anything, I suppose 10-4

[normal crane]

Waiting to reach lvl 75 so i can start chap 11

[undone plover]

dont use team 2 for now. once u get to ch9 start raising nelson and saratoga
eventually u want these 2 fleets
hood, uni, saratoga
nelson, enty, shinano-chan
but u might also have other options by then

[cursive creek]

Also is she any good

[viscid swift]

nope

[undone plover]

too expensive. prioritize gold bulins for hood > enty

[normal crane]

Does the x-1 give more exp, and x-4 gives more coins also apply for chap 10?

[undone plover]

there is a chart in the pins u can check if u are curious

[cursive creek]

Should I get Hood or Enterprise first

[soft raft]

Enterprise first
then you can get Hood from rookie rewards or if BBs rotate back in next month

[undone plover]

there is both BB and CV available. isnt hood better for progress? considering he has smolnano and saratoga ?

[cursive creek]

rookie rewards?

[soft raft]

Ah true Saratoga
Then yeah Hood first since Sara works fine as a Enty-at home in the meantime

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Beginner_Rewards

[cursive creek]

Oh shoot

Do I retire my extras?

Like my extra portland

or retire my usless ships

[eager mulch]

is your Portland max limit break?

[cursive creek]

yes

[eager mulch]

then you can retire dupes

[cursive creek]

great

Retire these fucks?

[normal crane]

So if i want to focus on leveling my ship i should farm on 10-1 !

[eager mulch]

12-1 at least

[undone plover]

10-4 is better if u can do it. the xp difference isnt that much and u want the gold

[normal crane]

That's the problem i only unlocked chap 10

[eager mulch]

get to 12

[normal crane]

I need lvl 80 for that, im only at 71

[eager mulch]

get to 80

[normal crane]

Got it

[mint flint]

you can configure quick retire to auto select dupes of max lbed ships

[eager mulch]

If I started as a new player with all the knowledge I have now, I’d make W12 my priority

[cursive creek]

Should I limit break my blue dupes?

[undone plover]

limit break your main fleet. dont use resources on stuff u wont use

[warm flax]

When do you not use STAAG for backline?

[eager mulch]

when you don’t need the hit

[cursive creek]

So should I retire my useless rares or use them for enhancement?

[undone plover]

retire to get medals. use commons for enhancement

[cursive creek]

Ok great. I had way to many rare ships anyways

[eager mulch]

just buy more dockspace

[cursive creek]

hehehe lmao

not yet

[untold trout]

Is swiftsure any good?

[atomic abyss]

Outclassed, I'd say not worth raising at this point

[inner delta]

Not particularly

[untold trout]

I'm using roon muse for my main tank in my mob fleet, just wanna know whst I should be looking to swap her for

[inner delta]

No need swap if she work

[untold trout]

Fair

[cursive creek]

Would you look at that

So if I do get Hood or Enterprize, Who would I be replacing

[tropic tusk]

oh waitthat s laffey mb

[cursive creek]

In this team

[tropic tusk]

by the look of it u didnt retrofit portland yet right?

[cursive creek]

Almost

[polar lion]

So I now hab 5 Plyguns, which UR gear shud I grind next?

[eager mulch]

Hood replaces unicorn, unicorn replaces Pennsylvania

[tropic tusk]

keep 1 for retrofit then

[eager mulch]

enterprise replaces shinano chan

[cursive creek]

huh?

[tropic tusk]

click on that

[eager mulch]

Modernization node requires a duplicate or a bulin

[cursive creek]

Oh shit did I need a spare copy?

[eager mulch]

It’s not that deep

[mint flint]

a purple bulin will work as well but that might be a bit wasteful if you're lacking

[tropic tusk]

portland isnt hard to get so dont cry about it

[mint flint]

just grind for another one

[cursive creek]

I'm leaning to Hood

[eager mulch]

you’ll get both in due time, the month is still young, plenty of time to get enough medals for the other one

[tropic tusk]

just so u dont do anything stupid get 1 copy is enough the rest just use bulins

unless they drop from building then use those

[mint flint]

hood is a heavy and enty is a special construction though

[cursive creek]

but the eagle though...

[tropic tusk]

wt eagle

[cursive creek]

FREEDOM!!!

[viscid swift]

Completely up to you, you don't have that much time to get anything done though with PR7 probably dropping in 2 months

[mint flint]

12-1 has a higher xp/oil ratio than 12-4 right

[viscid swift]

yes

[tropic tusk]

wait it does?

[opal stream]

you sometimes get cucked by another mob so not really

[cursive creek]

I chose freedom

[tropic tusk]

gold bullin is not easy to get early game

[viscid swift]

with just one or 2 ships it's fine

[main latch]

i want to grind towards getting FdG does the MLB mean just get them Max starred or do i need to get 120+ ?

[cursive creek]

Should I not use these on her?

[tropic tusk]

both gives points

[viscid swift]

the former

[main latch]

is getting them lvl 120+ enforced ? or can Just MLB get me to were i need

[viscid swift]

you should

[cursive creek]

Ok great that was the plan

[tropic tusk]

on every char it shows this

[viscid swift]

the guide only accounts for MLB, 120ing ships just for tech points is impractical and expensive

[tropic tusk]

this one for gneisenau

[main latch]

Tldr Mlb for what the list shows is fine to get IB tech points ?

[viscid swift]

well some of them you only need to acquire but yes

[tropic tusk]

dont forget to go here to collect ur bonus stats

[main latch]

Okay thanks ive started to grind Divergent .

[main latch]

Yeah i forgot about that until 30 mins ago LOL

[tropic tusk]

i didnt even know this till i reach lvl 3 on iron blood

[main latch]

DAMN

im not that far yet but i wont be forgetting it this time LOL

[tropic tusk]

yea just check on it once a while

[elfin hollow]

Prob should know this but what does it mean when text is grean for stats...?

[tropic tusk]

by chance nj got gear and fdg dont?

[elfin hollow]

They both have gear

[forest palm]

those main guns are bad

[tropic tusk]

by chance ur eagle union is lvl 1 and iron blood is 0

[viscid swift]

ignoring the fact those 2 main guns are awful

[forest palm]

even FdG's Aux Gun is bad

[elfin hollow]

eagle is 3 and ib is 2

[tropic tusk]

idk then not good enough at the game yet

[elfin hollow]

idk which main guns to use ;-;

[elfin hollow]

for both?

[tropic tusk]

its in chinese but this should be a good start for u

[elfin hollow]

Alright thanks

[tropic tusk]

thats for nj

[elfin hollow]

Yeah I understand it, thanks

[main latch]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home @elfin hollow

[viscid swift]

it's not related to faction tech

[elfin hollow]

I have needed this my whole life wtf

[tropic tusk]

wt is it then i want to know also

[main latch]

Yeah it helps so much i was lost at first LOL

[elfin hollow]

Idk why some ships are green ;-;

[viscid swift]

I have absolutely no idea

[forest palm]

most basic BB setup you could do

[tropic tusk]

isnt taht not update?

[elfin hollow]

Oh

[forest palm]

no, ECTL isn't outdated by any means

[main latch]

Has the kits for the ships asked for

[elfin hollow]

so even using purple gear like this is better then random yellow gear?

[main latch]

FdG and NJ

[viscid swift]

don't assume higher rarity means better

[mint flint]

yes

[elfin hollow]

Ah now I see the eff at the top xd

[viscid swift]

the Mk6 is one of the best BB guns in the game

[mint flint]

make sure you read their descriptions

[tropic tusk]

on some case

[mint flint]

gear is situational always

[elfin hollow]

I see thanks

[main latch]

Yeah i made the mistake just using gold over purple than someone showed me this and it helps

[tropic tusk]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/舰船图鉴

[eager mulch]

ectl is volunteer based and is losing members, updates are slow but they have a separate discord server

[tropic tusk]

click on the one u want for future then just go down

its chinese but they do update fast

[elfin hollow]

Translate helps

[tropic tusk]

right click translate to english

[viscid swift]

do I want to know why CN is coping CL Guns over DD guns on Sirius

[eager mulch]

tbh you’d be better off reading Sam’s gear guides or smth and learning good gear on your own rather than copy pasting from sources

[elfin hollow]

Right now I know squat about gears xd

[tropic tusk]

doing the math and trying to understand is just too hard for some people

[eager mulch]

so it’s better you learn so you can know for yourself rather than asking or looking

[elfin hollow]

Gotta start somewhere @.@

[tropic tusk]

wait till u see the dmg calculator u need a phd in math to understand it

[elfin hollow]

Honestly kinda sounds fun ngl

[hexed glen]

Green text means their stats are fully maxed out. I assume your FDG isn't Dev30 or FS5.

[elfin hollow]

Yeah just dev 30, thanks was curious xd

[hexed glen]

No problem.

[tropic tusk]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations

[elfin hollow]

[tropic tusk]

still fun?

[elfin hollow]

Eventually...

[viscid swift]

just don't follow either CN or ECTL for gear reccs

[eager mulch]

ECTL bad

[sullen creek]

Real

[elfin hollow]

the github one?

[tropic tusk]

[forest palm]

ECTL works if you...well read

[eager mulch]

instructions unclear: I live in ECTL general chat

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

[tropic tusk]

the github one just dont even update

[eager mulch]

they do but they’ve just lost another evaluator so they’re slow

unless you’re gonna volunteer to do testing and rank ships without any monetary gain

[forest palm]

did Riceist's fragile ego get to him

[tropic tusk]

im not that good at the game to help yet

would love to but probly in like 2-3 years if im good at it

[sullen creek]

I thought you guys already do that

[viscid swift]

I honestly couldn't give 2 hoots about 95% of the ships that get released these days

[forest palm]

not as if you need an engineering degree to figure this game out

[viscid swift]

they're either URs, tech, or that hen's teeth of a ship that's not a UR that's useful

[eager mulch]

I just collect waifus

[forest palm]

as it should be

[eager mulch]

I just love using the same 12 ships in opsi every month

[viscid swift]

there's not that much nuance to the ships being released in the grand scheme of things

[tropic tusk]

reading is hard

[sullen creek]

If every new ship doesn't completely powerceep the existing ones I don't want it

[polar lion]

So whatchu grinding for rn?

[viscid swift]

trying to finish up my 5th Plymouth gun before PR7 drops

[forest palm]

if anything pre farm PR6 Fate Sim if you haven't, otherwise get 4 Tenrai, get 2 203 SKC, and all the Quad 152s you can get

[silk sphinx]

Don’t turtle him, some people farmed other series too

[eager mulch]

i turtle him even though i just made my second ply gun today

[forest palm]

I who just recently got their 5th Quad 152

[polar lion]

I hab 3 Tenrais

But what's the 4th one for?

[silk sphinx]

Nothing.

[forest palm]

Fubuki

[silk sphinx]

I don’t even ever use three tenrais

I do use all my plym guns though

[polar lion]

Same

[elfin hollow]

Me with zero

[forest palm]

[atomic abyss]

Ya be
But holy crap that is a flex

It's even more flex than using Tenrai for Ark

[forest palm]

I still very much use FBK

[polar lion]

Any content we wanna use moar than 5 Plyguns?

[opal stream]

3 gun already on bb

[forest palm]

throw it literally on your BBs

[opal stream]

then ply + helena

[polar lion]

Yea been doin exactly that

[scenic mesa]

Which one should I choose?

[soft raft]

Tirpitz/Bismarck for Iron Blood tech points > Everyone else

[scenic mesa]

Hmm which one is better between the two?

[terse sinew]

So uh, is Nagato still good?

[soft raft]

they're both equally shit

[viscid swift]

they're both aggressively mediocre

[forest palm]

outside of Hood, none of the ships on that list are good

[soft raft]

Ehhhhhh not really

the only mainline relevance she's had in the past two years or so was this current META Fight

[scenic mesa]

[forest palm]

and that's for a 50/50 inconsistent one shot build, so that still doesn't justify her use

[viscid swift]

yep

her main use is tech at this point

[forest palm]

most all those ships in the rec are pure tech

[scenic mesa]

Alrighty I'll choose Bismarck for tech points

[forest palm]

North Carolina is the only ship in this list that's absolutely worthless

[viscid swift]

I'd throw Washington in there as well

[forest palm]

she gives FP

[viscid swift]

no she doesn't

[forest palm]

still far more usable than NC

[main latch]

Should i only lvl 125 specific ships ?

[viscid swift]

yes

[main latch]

Like UR ships, or are there SSR exceptions

[rain vine]

125 your backline damage dealers

[viscid swift]

125 main fleet boss ships you'll be using into late game, then tanks you'll use into late game

[main latch]

would enterprise be fine to 125?

[south sequoia]

Of course

[viscid swift]

yes

[misty tree]

Sao 125?

[soft raft]

if she's very waifu sure
otherwise the frigates are basically complete dogshit

[sweet delta]

Like calling helmeta complete dogshit

[soft raft]

What

[sweet delta]

You said golden hind is basically completely dogshit

[soft raft]

I mean they barely have any pratical mainline use
what I'm confused on is why you said Helena Meta

[sweet delta]

Because golden hind is not worse than helmet?

[soft raft]

[icy mountain]

i should prbably keep saving until the end right?

[soft raft]

yeah just continue doing your daily light pull
There's no one really worth going for on this banner besides collection

[sweet delta]

Wotspite is my reaction to a third of the things you say

[sullen creek]

Lmao

[crimson coral]

is this banner worth pulling on

[copper pine]

just a collection

[soft raft]

It's a easy skip outside of collection, especially when Muse ships dont give any tech and CN Anniv is right around the corner

[cursive creek]

Is the Cruise pass worth it for new players? At lest this season?

[jaunty vault]

worth of irl money is subjective

[soft raft]

Don't most people usually buy the pass for the skin

[atomic abyss]

Yep

[novel condor]

Yepp

[jaunty vault]

CP has some good resources

[south sequoia]

I'd say it's worth it if you joined much earlier in the pass, buying it if you joined mid way is the issue

[atomic abyss]

Cooper pls use a different abbreviation for cruise pass...

[south sequoia]

Lvl 70 level up pack > Cruise pass imo

[jaunty vault]

[novel condor]

Or just say cruise pass

Smh coop lazy typing

[jaunty vault]

thats called being resourceful

[copper pine]

what about battle pass, or some sort of that term

[near ginkgo]

Oh no did someone abbreviate Cruise Pass the same way you abbreviate Cyberpunk 💀

Anyways, is there a certain level of dockspace I should keep available?

[soft raft]

As much as you can

[copper pine]

actually i'll take that back, the name battle pass sounds ominous with microtransaction shit

[near ginkgo]

Is 60 free space comfortable though

[dusk maple]

yes

[forest palm]

should be

[near ginkgo]

okie

[copper pine]

quite comfy but after like 5-6 events it can be full easily

[cursive creek]

I'm already level 43. It seems like a waste to buy the level 70 pass now

[thorny grove]

i never bought it

[atomic abyss]

Frankly, depends on the individual
I'd say 50-60 is a good amount personally

[cursive creek]

Plus I'm already level 64 on the pass

[atomic abyss]

There are some crazy people who can live off on 10

But 10 involves you opening the dock like every 2 runs if you're "lucky"

[cursive creek]

I'm just curious if people consider the pass worth it in terms of resources or would my $10 be better spent elsewhere in the game

[copper pine]

its just one way for yostar to squeeze money out of you

to be brutally honest

[atomic abyss]

If you're talking about on a more "I have limited gem basis"
Then I'd say 20-25 free slots at any given time
So if you let's say got an event dropping, that 20 is gonna decrease...

[jaunty vault]

people buy it just for the resourcea

[exotic pier]

Meta dock needs to get here asap that will free up so much space

[atomic abyss]

...ok really shouldn't be saying this in my position but you can really just play this game as an f2p and not touch anything at all

[cursive creek]

Guess your right

[atomic abyss]

There are f2ps here that even forsake the qol from the gems they get and buy like a skin

[thorny grove]

that being said... i have a frightening number of gems from saving up for a while, 1112

[silver lintel]

Thats just 50 slots

[exotic pier]

Be the true Afk player and buy more food storage

[copper pine]

how much does it give? and how much it cost?

[thorny grove]

frightening to me because i haven't spent any gems in a while

[south sequoia]

Can confirm, as someone who had played this game f2p for 4 years

[copper pine]

the biggest downside of not buying gems is, sometime you will have a hard time on keeping dock slot always up

especially when cruise pass gives garbage elite meta ships that can't be scrapped

[jaunty vault]

that purple box is a ton of +6 gear

[thorny grove]

isn't there a meta dock coming soon

[jaunty vault]

yes

[thorny grove]

that will clear up a bit of space for me

[copper pine]

the equipment box one?

[jaunty vault]

soon™️

[thorny grove]

i just don't like how useless they are in combat and after their events where they become bricks

[copper pine]

what does it give max tho, like 5 s2bc and some toolboxes?

[jaunty vault]

[exotic pier]

I’d would love to scrap a shit Ton of 120 ships for dock space but I fear they gonna make 125 give fleet tech in the future 😂

[jaunty vault]

apaprently its 87 gear

[copper pine]

87 gears of our choice?

[novel condor]

Wait 87 pieces of gears?

[jaunty vault]

not choice

[copper pine]

.......................

[soft raft]

Yeah it just dumps a bunch of stuff into your depot lol

[novel condor]

Lmao rng again

[copper pine]

so its a gacha within another gacha

[jaunty vault]

its not rng

[forest palm]

it's an assortment of mostly purple gear isn't it

[viscid swift]

All purple gear iirc

[forest palm]

sure all the information is on the wiki

[copper pine]

now if all the +6 is specifically lets say, 87 toolboxes.. then its a considerable thing to buy. but 87 of each unique ones is funny as hell.. and an instant no

[iron ridge]

Does high efficiency combat log give you more trust?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[copper pine]

double the trust progress but also double usage on the mood

[soft raft]

Think of it as doing two runs at once

[viscid swift]

It's an assortment of half a dozen or so pieces of various gear, I do remember there being at least Mk6s and Hedivers in there among other things

[jaunty vault]

its only 5 bucks so

[dense adder]

Do DDG get the DD xp boost from Amazon's skill?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[soft raft]

Yeah
DDGs still count as DDs for all intents and purposes

[forest palm]

wouldn't even bother with XP Skills, they're bait as hell

[stark quiver]

Does the date on this frame mean 2019?

[jaunty vault]

[novel condor]

[stark quiver]

was the frame offered to everyone? or did u have to beat some boss i couldnt remember

[soft raft]

From old challenge mode

The old challenge mode frames are given out as rewards for the easy difficulty for the new challenge mode

[sweet delta]

you needed 8000 or some score on challenge mode

[stark quiver]

so basically a rerun?

[frank pulsar]

you can think of it that way yea

[hollow gust]

What was the lastest rerun?

[atomic abyss]

Virtual Tower

If you mean with that border well

[steady beacon]

👀 Kron

[hollow gust]

Yeah I'm not high , some dude said skins are foreshadowing reruns. Like seylitz skin predicting her rerun next . Said it was a pattern

[soft raft]

Her event is in fact the next event in line to rerun so

[steady beacon]

Pretty sure Seydlitz's skin was... more or less entirely because her VA was a guest on the livestream...

[hollow gust]

Soyuz event didn't predict virtual tower so that pattern ment jack shit

[soft raft]

True lol
Granted Virtual Tower is SP format not regular

And we already had confirmation that it was happening during Guam stream

[hollow gust]

Uvh rerun wasn't predicted by Guam and Laffey skin line either

[wind hazel]

my skin predict UR on CN anniversary

[sullen creek]

NJ beach skin followed by her rerun tho

[serene moth]

are an shan and chang chum better then tai yuan or are they all good, if i have chum and shan is it worth getting another medal/rtocket thingy for tai yuan?=

[violet vigil]

Unicorn and Aquila or Unicorn and Perseus for a mobbing fleet?

[forest palm]

it's either Uni + AQL, or Percy + AQL, never Uni + Percy, if you're running for world 13 HM, w14, or w15 take Uni + AQL, otherwise up to your preference

[violet vigil]

Is there a reason why no Uni/Percy?

[forest palm]

preload stacking ends up in a loss of damage, as you're throwing 3 air strikes into the first wave

[steady beacon]

They're all slightly different... as for how many missiles you should have, really it depends on how many of them you intend to sortie at once...
If you ever intend to sortie all three at once, then yes, get that missile; if not, you don't really need to

[serene moth]

aight i see

[forest palm]

Tai Yuan should be slightly stronger than An Shan, both are stronger than Chang Chun solo, and Chang Chun functions better in a team that can take advantage of her buffs

[atomic abyss]

The only thing is that TY needs a full frontline for her first skill
Which is no problem with oil cap buuuut if you want to do the ol Uni + DDG 1:1 comp...

[steady beacon]

Mhm... as always, which is the most useful in any given situation will depend on the context

[cloud fractal]

Spare SSRs after I’ve MLBd a unit get retired, right?

[jaunty vault]

yep

this is true for all rarities

oh ig you use commons for enhancements so not them

[cloud fractal]

I’m keeping a single common for collection purposes, but I ditch the rest. Haven’t even bother MLBing them.

[tulip ravine]

is there a way to turn off the zoom-in when launching a salvo?

[atomic abyss]

Nope

The "zoom-in" freezes the timer and ensures the salvo actually hits something meaningful ya know

[tulip ravine]

true thanks

[cloud fractal]

Shangri La really only has 2 skills as an SSR?

Gross

[atomic abyss]

I mean, Enty and Hood only have 1...
And Lucky E is like, still one of the most broken skills in-game period

In fact, a lot of older ships (in terms of game launch) tend to have less skills

In terms of launch order in all servers, I believe Essex was the first ship with 3 skills
Tho EN got Amagi as our first because the catching up was wack

[wild elbow]

Agreeable

[blissful hamlet]

Some ships have 3 skills and they sucks ass

[cloud fractal]

I’ve seen this, but Shangri La is my only SSR with out a full set of skills, so I was not expecting to hear about SSRs with 1 lol

[atomic abyss]

Yeah a lot of ships with 3 skills, tend to have 1 skill be mostly fluff

Even Soyuz is a sort of victim of this

[blissful hamlet]

Number of skills doesn't really mean if the ship is good or bad

[atomic abyss]

It's not often that all 3 skills are actually great

Enty is to be fair, the exception and not the norm

[cloud fractal]

Nope. Not what I’m saying. Just generally speaking, the “rarer” the item the more it has, even if the more is fluff.

So I was thrown off by the lack of the skill without realizing others exist with even less.

[atomic abyss]

Hood was outclassed for a super long time till she got her augment and became at least somewhat relevant again

Helena was always the top of the meta even before her retro, when she only had 1 skill
Hell even after the retro, that 1st skill is still what makes her good anyways

And yeah a lot of the day 1 SRs have only 1 skill lul

[cloud fractal]

I need to start working on my Helena. I’ve let her fall by the wayside while I worked on Noshiro muse and Roon.

Is her retro that great?

[atomic abyss]

As I sort of alluded too earlier, no actually

It's a good retro yes, but relatively low impact in terms of how much it upgrades her

There isn't any change in the potency or proc rate of radar scan skill with her retrofit

[cloud fractal]

Ah. Misunderstood what you were saying!

[atomic abyss]

For reference

And then there's Portland retro
With both skills being basically useless in a practical situation
But gets huge stat buffs instead

[oblique thunder]

Are bulins worth keeping around once you unlock all the ship requirements in lab or should I just scrap them and leave a few just in case?

[jaunty vault]

wdym ship requirements

[atomic abyss]

I'm a bit lost, how are lab (research) and bulins related?

[jaunty vault]

it could possibly mean theyve got everything at mlb

[oblique thunder]

I use them to MLB ships from a certain navy to get tech points

[jaunty vault]

did not expect that

[atomic abyss]

Ah
Well the Chinese DDs and Yat Sen are actually good and worth keeping so...

But yes the faction tech points will remain (it's like a milestone) and you can scrap the rest of the CN ships otherwise if you really don't wanna keep them

[jaunty vault]

rather than scrapping your bulins..
use them to limit break ships that are limit breakable

[atomic abyss]

Yeah use the bulins rather than scrapping them

[oblique thunder]

Alright thanks for the suggestions

[elfin hollow]

Which map for Z23 ?

[jaunty vault]

all w2+ maps

[elfin hollow]

I see

[jaunty vault]

/wiki z23

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z23
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z23/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z23/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z23’s_Picture_Report
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/Year_36_Z_Class_Z23-Sensei
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z28
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z2
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z24
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z25
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Z20

May 7, 2024, 8:28 AM

[elfin hollow]

About ayanami ?

[jaunty vault]

aya is only light pool after you unlock her from mlb jav/nimi/laff

[mint flint]

doesnt drop in EN

[elfin hollow]

Oh I see thank

[steep merlin]

What torpedo should I give Allen?

She had the first one

[steady beacon]

The second of the gold quad mags, provided you can upgrade it

[steep merlin]

Done

Is corsair better than hellcat for Indipendence?

I mean the purple ones

[atomic abyss]

Gold hellcat > purple corsair > purple hellcat

[steep merlin]

ty

[opaque galleon]

Do hsfcr work for preload BBs?

[steady beacon]

Yep, it does
Reduces the cooldown of their first non-preloaded salvo

[vague snow]

anyone know the reason why I can't get the item at the end?

[steady beacon]

Uhhh... try the game one last time (B-rank+ clear)
See if that helps

[vague snow]

I got S on my last one

[steady beacon]

If you click the icon it doesn't give the item?

[vague snow]

nope\

[mint flint]

how many times have you played it?

[vague snow]

it stays locked

more than 7x I'd say

[steady beacon]

You need to play it once every day for seven days I'm pretty sure
Since you only get one try that "counts" per day

Possibly that might affect the true count

[dusk maple]

I had some S ranks that weren't counted cuz I stopped playing after getting the rank, it worked after I completed the whole song tho

[vague snow]

okay I tried another song and it now worked lol

[mint flint]

were you quitting early or something?

[steady beacon]

Yep, you unfortunately have to complete the song for it to work
Only minigame I remember that requires both completion and rank for it to count

[fickle scarab]

Anyone got the mg+1 image ?

[steady beacon]

Uhhh... what do you mean by "image"?

[steady beacon]

Oh that thing...

[fickle scarab]

Thx

[vague snow]

nope finished the song all the time

[steady beacon]

The wording of it, in at least JP patch notes, implied that the current CMs are supposed to work on a 12-month cycle, so at least in theory, it's supposed to rotate come June...
At the very least, it's implied that the frames will repeat, but Idk if one can extrapolate the wording to the bosses necessarily

[fickle scarab]

The only content is gonna repeat

[steady beacon]

Oh, uh... my bad, it is mentioned in CN

Possibly why you didn't find it in JP

At this point I think I might have blended the two for all intents and purposes...

[normal crane]

What does surface dmg mean?

[inland juniper]

Is Formidable Muse generally better than normal Formidable?

[steady beacon]

If you're reading it in the ENTL, then it refers to damage that a ship does to enemies on the surface (as opposed to damage to planes, or submarines)

[steady beacon]

Depends, to some degree, on what you're using her for
If you're trying to use the stop, then no, original Formi's stop, even if badly outclassed by this point, is still better than Formi Muse's very idiosyncratic stop mechanic
On the other hand, if you can make the triple Muse requirement (either by using Muse ships or the Celestial Body/Cosmic Kicks auxes), then Formi Muse gets a preloaded airstrike, which gives her quite a different role

Please forgive the hilarious automatic translation; but this is what it says in CN

[wind hazel]

peeping?!

[fickle scarab]

Reward same, but what about boss?

[sinful elk]

Chat should i invest in her

[atomic abyss]

I mean... She's just worse than Hood at this point...

[fickle scarab]

Pr1 you invest in whatever

Roon gives kms tech so she has an advantage

[sinful elk]

How come tho

[atomic abyss]

Hood, with her augment has a 100% proc rate on her barrage skill (instead of 70%)

Monarch only has 75%

And it's not exactly everyday that you proc Monarch's healing skill from going below 50% HP

[sinful elk]

Yeah i get that but getting the black crystal thingy is long

[atomic abyss]

And getting Monarch to even Dev 30 is even longer, let alone FS5

And costing substantially more coins

[sinful elk]

Guh alright so should i invest in every eagle ships to get tech for anchorage

[atomic abyss]

Just MLB the ones you use at least

[fickle scarab]

Prioritize kms tech for fdg before everything else

With pr4 focus on research

[atomic abyss]

I'm just gonna repost this thing I typed out earlier for a different guy

[sinful elk]

I hate to say this but i have only prinz and nimi for ib faction

[fickle scarab]

Kms wa will do you great service

Like divergent chessboard

[sinful elk]

Nvm i have tirpitz but shes just bad so idk if i can use her

[atomic abyss]

I mean it's not like Prinz is any good either...

Just open up the war archive so you can at least get the common and rare German ships

[sinful elk]

Do i actually have to use them

[atomic abyss]

There's also Konigsberg, Karsluhe and Koln from normal maps

[atomic abyss]

No, just unlock them at least

[sinful elk]

Well i do have them about to be scraped

[atomic abyss]

And did you miss Friedrich Carl?

[sinful elk]

Yup

[atomic abyss]

If you limit break each of them twice, you can get Leipzig from collection, so that's another ship

[sinful elk]

I mean do i have to use them to grind exp for roon

[atomic abyss]

Well besides nimi, there's also the purple rarity Z1 which I believe still drops from some story maps

And Z1+Z23 is a pretty sweet combo
Better than the 3 K class

[sinful elk]

Agree

[south sequoia]

You don't need to use them, you can at most just use them to unlock the requirements for roon
You can use other good kms vanguards if you'd like

[atomic abyss]

Or if you're lucky (?) You can accidentally get Z46 from daily light builds

[south sequoia]

the only potent I see is eumuse and nimi, still missing one more good vg

[atomic abyss]

Is Z1 in the medal shop or sth lol

[south sequoia]

medal shop don't have elites

[atomic abyss]

Right, I mean guild shop then

[south sequoia]

No sadly

[normal crane]

To unlock the map on OpSi Explorable do i need to kill all the enemy?

[atomic abyss]

Yep
Oooor you can spend 5k oil on the logger thing

[normal crane]

[fickle scarab]

Auto is a great feature

[normal crane]

Level 6 corrosion sure is hard

[atomic abyss]

Are your adapts low?

[normal crane]

I try auto but it only takes the goods

I'm at VI adapts, but my ship level is below the enemy

[fickle scarab]

Hopefully not by much

[normal crane]

3 level

[fickle scarab]

Yea very doable

You can always get more adapts till max bonus

[normal crane]

Every time I'm done with the battle my Vanguard has like 10% hp lefy

[fickle scarab]

Either adapts or team problem

[steady beacon]

Ye, that's why I didn't want to confirm anything about the bosses tbh
We'll know in a few weeks if the bosses cycle too

[normal crane]

The coin will disappear next month right?

[fickle scarab]

What coin

[south sequoia]

If your adapts are high and your levels are only 3 behind that is a team problem

Wait just to clarify do you mean c6 boss fights or are you talking about the normal c6 nodes?

[normal crane]

Operation supply coin

[fickle scarab]

They reset monthly yea and get converted to shop vouchers

[normal crane]

Boss

The one with 3 something something above it

[fickle scarab]

That's a large fleet not a boss tho?

[south sequoia]

That's sort of normal

[normal crane]

Ohh

[south sequoia]

Still worrying it's that low after a large fleet

[normal crane]

So like the mobs are level 112 ish im doing fine, but the 118 hit quite hard, my Portland died a couple times

[fickle scarab]

The 6 levels won't be a problem if your adapts are above theirs and your team is good

[normal crane]

Idk if these are enough

[fickle scarab]

Show gear, you shouldn't be having issues with this

[normal crane]

For all of them?

[south sequoia]

I'd like to see vanguard gear first before backline

[gloomy mesa]

Best way to get some lvls for ships?

[jaunty vault]

lvl114 portland dying in explorable c6 is normal

[jaunty vault]

farming in w12 + dorm/exp data packs

[south sequoia]

No wonder, portland and z23s gear is underlevelled

Also pointless gear for z23 to use

[normal crane]

😭😭😭

[gloomy mesa]

here I am in w4

[sullen creek]

Then just do the highest map you can farm

[south sequoia]

and then stuff them in dorm

[gloomy mesa]

Kk

[normal crane]

I only have these

[south sequoia]

If you have any spare hp gear, please give them to z23
and give portland a blue steering wheel

[south sequoia]

replace z23's gyroscope with cyanidin towel (first picture, top most left gear)

[normal crane]

Anything else?

[fresh tangle]

Rush to modernization node?

[jaunty vault]

think you need to do all before modernization

[fresh tangle]

An ok that does make sense. Does appearance change?

[jaunty vault]

she gets a retrofit skin

you can equip her base skin or any other skin you have if you want to

[gloomy mesa]

Is there any point in aiming for 3 stars in story?

[jaunty vault]

rewards

3 starring gives gems

and other resources

[gloomy mesa]

Oh okay

Why is the oil cost constantly increasing?

[fresh tangle]

Does prinz replace anyone now or is it just a save her for later situation

[eternal basalt]

Your ships

(till oilcap)

[south sequoia]

She'd make for a good mob tank

[fresh tangle]

So replace Portland?

[south sequoia]

Sure, to either move portland to boss or move her out if you already have a boss tank.

[fresh tangle]

I don’t have a boss or a mob tank. I have one 😂

[south sequoia]

Oh, then no

[jaunty vault]

@eternal basalt the arrows indicate what unlocks

[south sequoia]

portland will stay

[fresh tangle]

So buy prinz but keep Portland for now

[south sequoia]

Mhm

[gloomy mesa]

Any chance I can save up another 3k event points today? Lol

[jaunty vault]

3k is pretty easy

[south sequoia]

You have about 2 days left for the event, plenty of time still

[gloomy mesa]

But I'm already paying 42 oil per battle, and I'm only in w4

[gloomy mesa]

Even as a newbie?

[jaunty vault]

what stage can you farm max

[south sequoia]

Well it's not that easy, but it'd take a longer time to grab that amount

[jaunty vault]

event

[gloomy mesa]

Stage 2, haven't tried 3 yet

[plain saffron]

/oilpsa

[odd root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804119377739776/949345167092105277/Untitled_presentation-page-001.jpg

[jaunty vault]

and what level are your ships

[plain saffron]

And you see it increases because it scale with lvl(up to lvl 100)

[gloomy mesa]

Main fleet, around lvl 50

[normal crane]

How's my backline

[plain saffron]

Just ignore oil cost keep pushing, also is there any chance you're using a UR

[jaunty vault]

i assume main fleet means the entire fleet you use to farm, in which case, you can try out sp3

[gloomy mesa]

No way in hell I'd get that lucky on a pull

[south sequoia]

good gear for enty and nj, horrible for uni

[jaunty vault]

getting 3k might be difficult if you only stay in sp2

[jaunty vault]

only the fighter is "horrible"

[plain saffron]

Just asking because it's better to not use them because no way you can max limit bream them rn

[gloomy mesa]

Kk, I'll keep that in mind

[normal crane]

What's the good fighter for her?

[south sequoia]

If possible another hellcat

[jaunty vault]

any plane with 2x500lb bombs

[south sequoia]

In the mean time just use purple hellcat

[jaunty vault]

f4u if you have one

[south sequoia]

Wait no i'm stupid, I meant the gold one

You already have another gold hellcat sitting around

[main latch]

How far could i get with lvl 120 ships ?

[south sequoia]

depends how good these ships are and their gear

you could get them all the way to w14

[jaunty vault]

could probably clear the game with them if everything else is bis

[south sequoia]

for w15 you are ever so slightly pushing it

[main latch]

Ah okay thanks

[normal crane]

Here's my plane, also what to use on Unicorn again?

[south sequoia]

gold hellcat

[jaunty vault]

would rather give better planes to DPS ships

assuming youre using them

[normal crane]

Like this?

Here's the aux

[jaunty vault]

is your shinano mlb

[south sequoia]

I guess replace portlands fire extinguisher with the rpg aux

[normal crane]

Non mlb shinano

[south sequoia]

If she is still non mlb might as well give it to unicorn

[normal crane]

Which one is rpg aux

[tame jungle]

gold ipad

[jaunty vault]

give what

[normal crane]

Ahh

[tame jungle]

what if azur lane still on tv today

uni get ipad

[south sequoia]

I meant her gold catapults

[jaunty vault]

what are you on about

[south sequoia]

Shinanos catapults, just give it to uni since you aren't exactly gonna be using shinano right now

[jaunty vault]

lol

[south sequoia]

No memes in #gameplay-help please

especially off topic ones, thanks.

[tame jungle]

they asked what i was on about so i replied

[jaunty vault]

kill him

[tame jungle]

but i'll take it into account

[south sequoia]

If you need to explain stuff that isn't within topic for gph just ping them or take it to dms

[stiff oyster]

A bit of a dumb question, but do META ships help to fill up exp for research?

[south sequoia]

Nope

[jaunty vault]

nop

[tame jungle]

META, muse etc do not count as their original self's faction

[jaunty vault]

they belong to the META faction

[frank pulsar]

meta is their own faction

[south sequoia]

Muse, lils, kaga bb can contribute to their original factions exp
but metas are their own faction

[tame jungle]

oh really? muse count towards faction?

[south sequoia]

Muse ships are still counted within their og faction

[stiff oyster]

Ok, I just wanted to run Rodney META at some point for fun

[main latch]

is it worth make an augment for helena ?

[tame jungle]

they don't seem to for tech points tho

[elfin hollow]

Who’s on the next banner?

[jaunty vault]

more dmg is more dmg

[frank pulsar]

if you got the coin, sure
a lil bit extra survivability always helps

[stiff oyster]

Muse and little ships don’t give tech but contribute in research exp

[south sequoia]

No harm in doing so if you already have useful augments for ships who need their augments

[tame jungle]

right, thanks for clarifying

[south sequoia]

We don't know

[jaunty vault]

[normal crane]

Like this then? Also is lvl 6 sufficient

[south sequoia]

We have no information about future banners and exact dates

[jaunty vault]

lvl 10 is better than lvl6

[normal crane]

I mean, I'm quite low on mats

[tame jungle]

try to consolidate as much as possible early on, so you'll have best gear on your best ships

[inland shoal]

Lvl 6 is often a good lvl for transitionals

[sinful elk]

Also about volga torps bomber, her planes launch randomly or predict the target movement

[jaunty vault]

not much can be done if you do not have the upgrade plates

[south sequoia]

I think you might be confusing her skill barrage with her own torp bomber planes

[sinful elk]

I get her barrage but for some reason the amount of torps she launchs mostly miss

[south sequoia]

that's normal

[mighty jasper]

okay how do airstrike timings actually work?

[south sequoia]

sometimes torps spawn in great places, sometimes they spawn where you don't want them to

[mighty jasper]

is it a case of just putting on a load of low FR planes to get minimum wait in between airstrikes?

[sinful elk]

Randomized yes?

[inland shoal]

You take the weighted average of the plane reloads and muliply by 2.2
With buffs becomes more complex thx to rld stat stuff

[undone plover]

Portland (and cruisers in general) benefit more from an evasion aux. u only want 1 toolkit on them

[south sequoia]

sort of

[sinful elk]

Then how come Unicorn torps bomber can aim and go toward the target

[south sequoia]

What torp bomber are you using on uni?

[inland shoal]

And you usually don't equip the lowest cd planes cuz they deal very little or no dmg

[sinful elk]

Purple tenzan

[south sequoia]

That's nature for tenzan

[inland shoal]

Well that is a converging TB

[sinful elk]

Huh different plane different mechanic?

[stiff oyster]

If it’s Sakura torps bomber then can home in

[winter dagger]

Anyone built noshiro mu yet? What gear should I be putting on her? Or better yet if you have one built, post a s/a?

[plain saffron]

crimson axis TB converge, azur lane parallel

[stiff oyster]

It’s similar to magnetic trops

[plain saffron]

[atomic abyss]

Lol no

[south sequoia]

It's not really magnetic torpedos

[mighty jasper]

Okay thx. so hypothetically F4U/2xspearfish on klaudia valetz to proc her heal a load or am i insane?

[plain saffron]

it aims when it drops then go straight, it doesn't actively find enemy

[atomic abyss]

They aim for a single area
They don't home if the target moves tho

[sinful elk]

I feel golden barracua weaker than tenzan because of that lmao

[south sequoia]

It's more like they just have focused targetting, but once they choose a good place to gather up they go in one direction and you can't do anything to change it

[mighty jasper]

Ik F4U dmg bad but spearfish seems like nice balance

[plain saffron]

magnetic/acoustic will actively rotate towards enemy up to their limit

[south sequoia]

which is why it's often used with slow supports, great potent damage but you need proper support to be able to land the damage

[plain saffron]

parallel better for mobbing, aimed better to single target generally

[atomic abyss]

Same with any torp CL
Rainbow Quad 152, Quad Mags, Rainbow twin 57, Toolbox, Rudder

[sinful elk]

So should i switch tenzan to volga (shes boss fleet)

[plain saffron]

do you have slower/stopper
what are you fighting

[sinful elk]

Formi only though

[plain saffron]

if you're fighting a boss that doesn't move, or your launch time is timed with boss movement then you don't need any stopper
formi ehh

man it's been a while since we have meta fleet that time with enemy stop time

[inland shoal]

Do you have the Spearfish crafted already? Cuz I wouldn't, it's expensive
Also I gtg so hopefully the ithers will help you

[plain saffron]

i guess implac really is a gamechanger

[south sequoia]

Me and ender will take it from here

[winter dagger]

@atomic abyss ty, still kinda new (3months) learning curve is steep =/

[atomic abyss]

No I wanna go back to my translation work

[plain saffron]

[void turret]

how am I supposed to get past the level average requirements for D3

[atomic abyss]

[mighty jasper]

my dyna cannon is +13 i do not care about resource effieciency xd. yh i have 1 already. ok thx bro, cya

[rapid grail]

hi chat how 2 lvl up submarines

[plain saffron]

lvl up more at D2 until you can do D3

[fickle scarab]

Level up

[fickle scarab]

Like any other ship

[plain saffron]

or main campaign, depends on your progress

[fickle scarab]

Use in battle or dorm or exp data

[plain saffron]

usually people just exp pack or dorm them because using them in fight to lvl is kinda annoying, then use them in raid to get the affinity

because in raid event there's no need for enemy to in in range bcs there's no map

[sinful elk]

Also can my fleets go on w10 and onwards

[atomic abyss]

If you're that early on, I'm not even sure if you can hit the poverty gear recommendations...
In that case
Purple Twin 150mm, gold quad mag, any spare gold AA, toolbox, blue naval camo/steering gear

[plain saffron]

LB1 NJ kinda 🚮

plus in boss fleet

[sinful elk]

Hey i don't have decent bb other than her

[plain saffron]

just try i guess

[sinful elk]

Lvl 69 rn

[fickle scarab]

With ease

[normal crane]

Thanks for the help btw

[fickle scarab]

NJ should get replaced since not mlb

[plain saffron]

w10 and 11 sure

but 13/14/15 big

[sinful elk]

Are you sure 9-4 boss put my vanguard on life support

[fickle scarab]

Probably gear issue or NJ issue

[plain saffron]

don't worry in w10 it will be backline instead that's on life support
use fire extinguisher on NJ if needed

[tame jungle]

just use fire extinguisher on w10 in general lol

less headaches on first clear

[sinful elk]

HE spammers?

[tame jungle]

HE battleships that target your backline

[atomic abyss]

To be exact, enemy BBs that shell your flagship

[plain saffron]

them aim your backline and there's suicides boats

[void turret]

i cant do D2 because my average level is literally 1 below

[sinful elk]

Oh man my Hood is gonna die again

[plain saffron]

then go another 1 below until you can

[atomic abyss]

Your frontline needs to do more work then

[void turret]

ok

[plain saffron]

at least she got 2nd gun mount already

[sinful elk]

Hmm should i mlb belfast though

[atomic abyss]

My question would be why are you even using Belfast

[fickle scarab]

They added avg lvl so that no one beats it with lv1 1:1

[atomic abyss]

Or... Wait is that Charybdis at the end?

[sinful elk]

Yea

[atomic abyss]

No wonder your fleet is on life support

[south sequoia]

please stop chary while you can right now

[tame jungle]

nuh uh!

[south sequoia]

charybdis is genuinely shit

[atomic abyss]

Belfast is still fine but Chary is... Like one of the worst golds out there

[sinful elk]

I mean, its not like i can replace her with anything else

[plain saffron]

depends on the other unit it might be better to just keep using her

[atomic abyss]

Unironically, you might have purples better than her

The issue is more so why lose another 2 gold bulins
That thing isn't MLB yet

[plain saffron]

already lvl90 LB2 is better than any lvl1 ships

[winter dagger]

@atomic abyss this is what I've managed to dig up for her, should suffice for now

[plain saffron]

but he's already in w9+ so i guess it's time to rework fleet?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, good time to rework fleet

[south sequoia]

100%

[sinful elk]

I would use nimi if she reaches good amount of lvl though

[south sequoia]

replace her torpedos

[atomic abyss]

I always feel that people tend to forget the jump from w9 to w10 just cos they can over level

[south sequoia]

quints are bad

[plain saffron]

then lvl her, you're in 9-1+ it's time to start grinding

[south sequoia]

w10 comes in like a truck if you aren't prepared

[sinful elk]

Grind what..

[atomic abyss]

Experience

I think it's time to pop open that dock again

[winter dagger]

@south sequoia can you please elaborate

[atomic abyss]

Gold quint mags are super slow reload and deal effectively less damage
Use gold quad mags or just gold regular torps

[south sequoia]

quintuples are worse than other options due to these factors

• unable to be upgraded further +10
• lesser damage than quadruple
• a lot slower than quads.

[plain saffron]

gold quad magnetic > gold quint > gold quint magnetic

[tame jungle]

don't make me whip out the tierlist

[atomic abyss]

Yes, we do mean the quintuple 550mm regular torpedoes

[winter dagger]

Okay thanks you!! I

[south sequoia]

in theory that extra torpedo might make up for the worser damage, but it's not that likely you will be able land the extra torpedo to make up for the loss of damage

[atomic abyss]

That Helena is weeping

[sullen creek]

She can weep all she wants

[tame jungle]

isn't the spread on the gold quints also really bad

(at least for single target dmg)

[sinful elk]

Someone told me to priority Helena last

[atomic abyss]

Prioritise retrofitting Helena last

[sullen creek]

She sees use in endgame yes

[atomic abyss]

She's going to be better than Chary for the most part

[sinful elk]

Oh.

[tame jungle]

grind time!

[atomic abyss]

Like... I feel awful looking at that dock

[sinful elk]

Dawg

[atomic abyss]

The bulins that went into Kron could have went to NJ

The bulins that went into Charys and Bel could have went to Hood and Enty

[winter dagger]

Dock pic

[atomic abyss]

And the Warkai well we already mentioned it previously

[south sequoia]

One more thing, please don't spread out the distirbution of your bulins

[tame jungle]

it's just mistakes that take time to rectify tbh

but rn it does really suck

[south sequoia]

It's better to finish one ship than to have 2 unfinished ships

[atomic abyss]

I will say there is a strange relative lack of frontline ships tho...

[sinful elk]

Rng

[atomic abyss]

I'd say drop Bel and Charys
Raise Helena and Z23

[sinful elk]

Yeah i think i can afford that

[atomic abyss]

Yeah, because they're purple rarity too

So it doesn't tax your gold bulin shortage

[winter dagger]

Had it sorted by rarity not lvl, this is what I got so far

[atomic abyss]

For all we know, the next event could fix your frontline issue

[tame jungle]

seeing as you're somewhat close to saint louis dev30, that could also be a decent choice for now

actually idk could be dev21 nvm

(i'm also biased because i like her)

[sinful elk]

My luck fr suck bro i don't think its gonna fix anything much

Do you think z23 can survive in w8 though

[inner delta]

can

not at lv 33

[atomic abyss]

Just throw her some of them exp books
Then you can even carry her around w9

[sinful elk]

So i put my main fleet to their best for exp book until she reaches a good amount of lvl?

[atomic abyss]

Your mob fleet should be the healer+low levelled stuff

The "boss fleet" can be everything else

Heck, you could go Hood+Volga+Uni for the first few mob fleet runs

[sinful elk]

Oh yeah blueprints too retro nimi is gonna be crazy for me

[atomic abyss]

Well you can like, not retro her too

[sinful elk]

Really?

[south sequoia]

You don't need to retro her asap, she can be fine as she is but you still need to retro her

[atomic abyss]

A MLB non retro Z23 still still outperform a non MLB Belfast and especially a non MLB Charys

[sinful elk]

Will try that our real quick

[atomic abyss]

Frontlines may not benefit as hugely from retros as backliners, but that's not to say they don't benefit at all

I mean really, the only better options currently there are like Kuybyshev and Kiev...

Which are going to eat gold bulins instead

[sinful elk]

those 2 are goods?

[winter dagger]

Is prinz Eugen really that bad? I was just looking at the tier list and she's the second lowest tier

[atomic abyss]

They are pretty good as far as golds go, not quite the best for gold tho

[south sequoia]

She's all really good for being a meatshield, but there are better meatshields out there

[tame jungle]

she's tanky, but just doesn't really do damage

[atomic abyss]

All she can do is tank really
But her damage is shite, her skill is shite, the fact she uses gold bulins is shite

[south sequoia]

It's awkward to have her as a choice

[normal crane]

How hard is the abyssal stage?

[tame jungle]

real waifu factor ship

[south sequoia]

For early game you cant really use her because you have portland
For mid - late game you can't really pick her because you'd have access to portland retro + PR

[tame jungle]

what does her augment even give her

[sinful elk]

Then whats the best

[sweet merlin]

for what ship is this?

[winter dagger]

@south sequoia so who would be a better meat shield that I could swap in? I guess I'll just build her slowly then since I still really like her design etc

[south sequoia]

more tankiness and a bit of damage increase

[south sequoia]

Friedrich carl, san francisco

[tame jungle]

yeah just read it, nothign really worthwhile it seems

[atomic abyss]

Ya basically need to be able to clear a relatively strong boss with your 4 fleets
The boss is at like, 114 for corrosion level 4 abyssals...

[normal crane]

Ohh damn

[atomic abyss]

Inazuma, blue rarity DD

[tame jungle]

you effectively get 6 attempts tho

[south sequoia]

You also have prinz heinrich

[tame jungle]

because you got 2 fodder fleets down the side, which help you restore resolve

[atomic abyss]

I'd save the abyssals for like the end of the month if you're not exactly high levelled

[atomic abyss]

Best gold CLs would be like Harbin, Shimanto and Scylla
Best gold DDs would be like the 3 Chinese DDG retros and Kawakaze with augment

You could make a good argument for Helena retro for gold rarity CLs too I suppose

[winter dagger]

I'm trying to build and iron blood fleet, with Heinrich, Friedrich Carl, and I guess either roon or eugen

[atomic abyss]

But why tho

[tame jungle]

roon time

[atomic abyss]

Roon for sure
But faction fleets just generally aren't a good idea

[tame jungle]

because it's funny

[winter dagger]

I built roon, but watched a video say how roon is bad cos she switches ammo type

[atomic abyss]

That entire frontline is chonky but with no real damage lol

[atomic abyss]

That's not why she's bad...

[winter dagger]

So she only actually deals like half dmg

[frank pulsar]

no roon is bad because shes literally such a pain to get for something thats at best comparable to portland

[atomic abyss]

And this is why you shouldn't watch YouTube videos for AL
Outdated, if not outright wrong

Roon muse is better than Roon ffs

[frank pulsar]

roon muse not much better tbh

[atomic abyss]

The only purpose for roon in today's age is for Ironblood tech to unlock FDG and Agir

[undone plover]

your roon also needs to be dev30. if she isnt full stars just forget about her

[winter dagger]

Is roon muse worth the core data and building?

[frank pulsar]

nah

[tame jungle]

no

[atomic abyss]

And Carl and Heinrich are stuff that are ACTUALLY worth raising over Roon
Especially Carl imo

[tame jungle]

core data is very limited

[winter dagger]

Yeah got them both LVL 120, worth 125?

[undone plover]

just put z23 with them if u are grinding vanguard xp. if not dont put full kms frontline

[atomic abyss]

If you REALLY want a full German fleet for whatever reason
Slot in one of their destroyers lol

Not that I'd advise faction fleets period

[atomic abyss]

I think the best full German frontline currently is like...
Agir Emden Hinden?

[winter dagger]

Emden?

[atomic abyss]

Yeah Emden, Dresden class CL

Tho a much more realistic to build comp would be Otto Z1 Felix kek

[tame jungle]

pellet time

[undone plover]

change one of these to washing machine
double hp aux on cruiser is not ideal

[steady beacon]

Well, half Dresden and half Konigsberg

[inner delta]

agir emden hinden yes

for basically anything

[steady beacon]

It's kinda been a while, but there definitely were fleets once upon a time that tried to leverage Emden for that buff...
Wonder how it holds up now...

[atomic abyss]

The large issue with MOST German only frontlines, if you run them for whatever reason is that they're all chonk and relatively potato on the damage

[inner delta]

emden and hinden isn't potato dmg smh

[undone plover]

how is hinden tankiness compared to unzen and plymouth

[inner delta]

bad

[tame jungle]

most, not all

[winter dagger]

Ooih emden, had to google her, she's event locked so not in the cards for me

[inner delta]

you dont want her to tank

[atomic abyss]

Unless you have the few specific dps they're not gonna work well

[undone plover]

yeah sure was just wondering. cuz sometimes ppl do run ply+unzen tank for specific fights

[inner delta]

unzen also dont want to tank

[atomic abyss]

I said most to cover my ass for a reason

[undone plover]

she looks tankier on paper than unzen at least

[inner delta]

[atomic abyss]

The second message took a while to send

[undone plover]

Modney fight

[inner delta]

like both of them dont want to tank

yeah because rodney does not do dmg

see that's where you need to take account

make her tank strength, see how it hold

[steady beacon]

If you're in a situation where that DPS frontline is used, you normally slot Ply to the tank in any event

Somewhat ironically

[undone plover]

so ply tankier than hinden

[forest palm]

so NC + Scharnhorst Augment, and Little Spee all there is comin up?

[winter dagger]

M@undone plover I don't have enough washing machines 😔

[undone plover]

blue evasion aux works as well

[steady beacon]

Some perma little ships as well I guess
And 200 gems bc forced update

[forest palm]

checks out

[sharp socket]

how do i fleet lock when clearing stuff

[steady beacon]

Incidentally, if you can find a combination that doesn't force Unzen to tank, even in Rodney that is arguably better lol
Although that is partly on the assumption you are trying to make Mk35s work

[undone plover]

is that cuz of off tank position for torp rng? or cuz u can run offensive aux?

[sharp socket]

not there

[tame jungle]

do you have clearing mode on

[undone plover]

doesnt work with first clear. only in clearing mode i think

[sharp socket]

aw man

[steady beacon]

Both

[undone plover]

is getting 3 Mk35s to +13 worth it or are they very niche?
should i focus +13 sub torps next?

[steady beacon]

... Hmmm... an interesting question...

[cobalt rapids]

are you done with harbi and w15?

[steady beacon]

Probably I would prefer the Mk35s myself, simply because I use torpers a lot and try to make them work more than most people
Maybe not three, though
Also, they can be used in PvP

[forest palm]

a +13 MK35 sound about as niche as a +13 Triple 381

[undone plover]

15 not yet. harbi last 2-3 months yes but i feel like i can manual + 4 fleet any harbi fine

[steady beacon]

Should note btw if you manual at all, the Mk IXs get +13 prio over Mk 35s if it comes down to it

[cobalt rapids]

if u feel like u dont need it for 15 then u can go ahead and do 1 copy of mk35, but its niche and its not that much better than quads even on stationaries

[eager mulch]

if the choices are mk35 or sub torps then I’d rather not spend at all

[undone plover]

what would u spend it on then?

[cobalt rapids]

do u have 6 quads/quits at +13?

[undone plover]

oxytorp is aux plate right?

[eager mulch]

more quad/quint mags

[undone plover]

3 quads. 0 quints. 670 torp plates

[cobalt rapids]

then do 3 more quads/quints

or at least thats what I would do

6 is for campaign anyway, 3 is fine in rest

[undone plover]

are +13 quints better than +13 quads?

[cobalt rapids]

nah sidegrades

[undone plover]

then no reason to do them right? i can do 3 quads for the price of 1 quint

[steady beacon]

To some degree, the answer is context-dependent
Like in bosses, quads are preferred typically

[cobalt rapids]

240 more plates expensiver sidegrade yea

[eager mulch]

sometimes you want a quint over quads

[cobalt rapids]

sometimes in meta depending on rld quints and quads get same launches so ud run quints but eh 0-1 +13 quints is max id do

[eager mulch]

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