gameplay-help

[stark quiver]

go with portland retrofit instead

[cloud fractal]

Working on her, struggling with the retro blueprints

[plain saffron]

unless you have enough to almost mlb 2 UR, go with waiting

[stark quiver]

no worries, just use her for now, shes fine with retro as well

[cloud fractal]

My Roon is Fate 2 or whatever.

[stark quiver]

u can just use roon for now then

[plain saffron]

then just use her

[sharp socket]

which of these golds can i safely retire that have no good use

[whole crypt]

Akashi

[cloud fractal]

I have been. I’m working on Chesh, Port retro and Uni retro primarily right now. Everyone else I have is just slowly leveling as I make my way to the exp farming Worlds.

[sharp socket]

what about the french and russians

[whole crypt]

Eugem and Formidable are kind of meh, the rest I'd say between okay and very good

actually Belfast is also pretty meh by today's standard

[atomic abyss]

Besides Akashi
The rest aren't nearly as clear cut
But if needed to be picked, Eugen Muse, Formidable and Reno

[sharp socket]

do i keep volga

[whole crypt]

Volga is great

[atomic abyss]

You will likely need Volga much later
She's like the last thing here you'll want to get rid, along with Jeanne

[undone plover]

volga and jeane probably the best 2 there

[sharp socket]

oh alright

is volga more for mob or boss

or special use

[atomic abyss]

Healer, so mob technically
She supports unicorn for the REAL hard content

[whole crypt]

special

she's not a main healer, she has enough damage to support a boss fleet as well if you need some targeted heals there

[atomic abyss]

Outside of which uni is more than enough ye

I suppose Kiev, Belfast and Pompeo could be thrown out too if space is a real concern?

[whole crypt]

Kiev and Pompeo better than Belfast

[sharp socket]

i guess im only retiring belfast

[cloud fractal]

Honestly, I’m mad about Hermione. I ended up getting two of her and she’s bad.

[atomic abyss]

Uh no, Reno, Formidable, Eugen Muse, Akashi are all higher priority deletes

Especially Akashi lol

[cloud fractal]

And she’s got awesome costumes.

[atomic abyss]

@sharp socket

[whole crypt]

Just buy more space™️

[sharp socket]

oh ok

but i spent a long time doing akashi questline to get her

[atomic abyss]

And she's shit

[stark quiver]

oh well, shes useless

[undone plover]

We might get a META dock update this month. so if u can wait a bit and u have a lot of META ships maybe dont retire stuff yet

[atomic abyss]

Like, she's the worst in her hull class of shit ships

[sharp socket]

can she appear in construction

[atomic abyss]

Yes she can

[sharp socket]

alr im not losing a limited ship then cya akashi

[serene moth]

[viscid swift]

I'd rather not retire unique ships especially not SRs

[cloud fractal]

What limited ship?

[sharp socket]

i thought akashi was special ship

[sharp socket]

i need to make space for iron blood fleet tech

[viscid swift]

Retire commons which can be more easily reobtained or get more dock space

[stark quiver]

if i wanna complete the cruise pass mission "defeat 40 enemy boss fleets", can i spam 3-4 or something instead of 12-4 or 13-4

[serene moth]

If you are after space you can use the other volga to lmb volga

[whole crypt]

Akashi will show up again eventually in builds anyway and you don't really raise her for anything nowadays

but Just buy more dock space™️

[sharp socket]

i am gem hoarder

ill buy more dock space when i get the commission that gives gems

[undone plover]

f2p gems should be used on dockspace so rly no need to hoard them

[whole crypt]

so... basically never?

[cloud fractal]

Seems like a waste unless your fox hunting

[sharp socket]

it appeared yesterday but it didnt give gems

[stark quiver]

actually thats a good idea imma go fox hunting

[whole crypt]

that's the average gem comm experience, yes

[viscid swift]

I would be surprised if total income from Gem commissions was more than 150 a year

[whole crypt]

I might have gotten more than that one year... but it's closer to 0 each year on average

[sharp socket]

i could maybe just buy a little bit of gems like $30 and have enough dockspace for the rest of my gameplay

[stark quiver]

how much gems do you have rn

[sharp socket]

2.8k

[whole crypt]

just a small bump to deal with your initial space shortage goes a long way, because you can mostly support the new ships each year with space from free gems each year

[stark quiver]

maybe you can use those gems to buy dockspace, hoarding doesnt do anything and seeing ur gameplay get better is better than seeing still gems that pick up dust eveyrday

[blissful hamlet]

Has there any news of what faction is the next UR?

[viscid swift]

None what so ever

[whole crypt]

just wait for stream

[blissful hamlet]

When is the stream?

[whole crypt]

not announced yet

[atomic abyss]

Don't think there's a date yet even

[whole crypt]

personal speculation 17 May on CN evening

[blissful hamlet]

[forest palm]

well Anniversary is May 25th, the closest Thursday is the 23rd, so it really comes down to where the CTA lands

don't need the stream past hype

[midnight ocean]

how to get Laffey II guys ? Damn i though SR Laffey would become Laffey II after retrofit so i used all my resources then i got Laffey (Retrofit)

[blissful hamlet]

Wait for her rerun

[midnight ocean]

nooooooo my resourcesssss

[atomic abyss]

Which won't be for a loooong time yes

[midnight ocean]

[atomic abyss]

I mean you need to retrofit Laffey for the beginner missions anyways

[blissful hamlet]

Wait for a new UR to powercrept her

[plain saffron]

after retrofit it become laffey retrofit, not laffey II

laffey II is different unit, not an upgrade, gameplay wise

[midnight ocean]

[atomic abyss]

The og Laffey is a Benson class
Laffey II is an Allen M Sumner class
They're completely different ships

Same applies to 2 Yorktowns, the 2 Hornets, the 2 Northamptons and the 2 Houstons

[midnight ocean]

o-okay

what is clear with full combo ?

[forest palm]

isn't that just killing everything on the map

[plain saffron]

B or A or S rank all

[blissful hamlet]

Defeat all enemy and then defeat the boss

[worn dragon]

Every mobs

[worldly pewter]

without getting under B rank

[worn dragon]

Ew under B rank

[midnight ocean]

i cant S rank SP4 and 5. Maybe im too weak ?

[cloud fractal]

If you’re new like me, remember you can attack with 0 ammo. Just 50% damage reduction.

[plain saffron]

please read

[midnight ocean]

this is my fleet. idk if it strong enough

[forest palm]

as I said just kill everything

[plain saffron]

ninja edit

you can still kill everything without full combo

fleet die, switch next fleet, lose combo

[forest palm]

if you fail with fleets like those on SP5 then I have questions...

[worldly pewter]

why many i see in this chat having BZ and yet their account is super underleveled

[undone plover]

dont use non-MLB ships. u want your ships to be full star. so NJ and BZ are not doing much even if they are rainbow

[eager mulch]

Poor fleets overall but SP5 is a low bar

[forest palm]

my point exactly

[undone plover]

fleet 2 should be able to do the whole map alone if geared properly. maybe change sandy to a tank (otto from fleet 1 works) and change NJ to a full star BB. maybe hood if u have her

[whole crypt]

the lack of LBs hurt my brain

[forest palm]

it do be like that

[undone plover]

oh.. looks like regensburg also not MLB. change her too i guess

[eager mulch]

gph always lacks lbs

[undone plover]

some ppl play casually

[midnight ocean]

uhh what is BZ/NJ/MLB/LBs ?

[eager mulch]

Bismarck Zwei, New Jersey, max limit break, limit breaks

[sullen creek]

Everyone plays casually

[whole crypt]

replace regensburg with otto and fleet 2 should be fine

[undone plover]

somehow it doesnt feel right linking sam's newbie guide to someone with BZ but read this https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[whole crypt]

AL is my most casual game though

[midnight ocean]

so my fleet 2 is good right ?

[undone plover]

switch sandy and otto position

[midnight ocean]

how about my fleet 1 ?

[whole crypt]

I would use Otto as tank, not sure about your gearing
also just throw in any random meowfficers you have for bonus stats

[storm heron]

is it wise to upgrade lil shinano before getting her?

[whole crypt]

can you finish the trust point before maintenance

[inland shoal]

If you're sure you'll be getting her it doesn't matter

Except for the additional confirm clicks

[storm heron]

I will keep the lvl10 skill once I get her rite?

alright thx

[whole crypt]

you keep everything as long as you finish event and claim her

emphasis on and claim her

[midnight ocean]

like this ?

idk if i gear her correct

[inland shoal]

Is Sandier than Laff?

[whole crypt]

if you still have a problem then it might be your gear, also if you have any meowfficers at all just throw them on for bonus stats

[undone plover]

it is okay but why all 0 enhance?

[whole crypt]

the pieces are okay but they all need to be enhanced

[midnight ocean]

oh we need to enhance gear ? i never think about that before

[inland shoal]

It makes a huge difference

[whole crypt]

each toolkit is 300 more HP at +10
all weapons gain damage and firing rate when enhanced

[inland shoal]

Like over 100%

[midnight ocean]

okay i'll enhance my gears after finish building 2 fleet

[midnight ocean]

any recommendation for my fleet 1 ?

[whole crypt]

no

[undone plover]

make sure u also enhance your ships. feed them commons

[whole crypt]

just don't bother using fleet 1 until your fleet 2 is properly geared and enhanced

[keen sable]

Are you planning on mlbing them? Otherwise almost all bad

[midnight ocean]

mlbing ?

[whole crypt]

better still move everything to fleet 1 and put biszwei + some carriers in fleet 2 for cross fleet barrange and ACV, then only use fleet 1 for actual fights

[keen sable]

Max limit break(ing)

[whole crypt]

since game defaults to fleet 1 first

[midnight ocean]

damn enhance gear take too much general parts

[whole crypt]

enhance your weapons then

[midnight ocean]

im out of gold

[whole crypt]

even a +6 gun is huge step over +0

[midnight ocean]

idk i just started playing this game

[whole crypt]

AL when you get your priorities wrong

[keen sable]

Toolkits aren't the priority. Don't need hp if everything is ded

[midnight ocean]

..... i just enhanced tookit and now im out of gold

[inland shoal]

I run everything with fleet 5 and 6 cuz I made those my farming fleets for some reason

[whole crypt]

you have plenty of oil, just run stuff you can manage for drops and you'll get some coins out of that

[keen sable]

Capped L100's just starting

[haughty dust]

is there a way to switch these fleets for this daily raid challenge that I just unlocked after hitting level 100 to my boss fleet? If I try to change what it has there, it asked me if I really want to move character from for example, fleet two. Is there anyway to change it fleet 2 or boss without having to mess with the characters?

[inland shoal]

Tap the right arrow or the fleet 1 button at bottom

[whole crypt]

fleet 1 is my leveling fleet, fleet 2 is rainbows, fleet 3 and 4 are 0LB Mahans, fleet 5 and 6 are empty

[haughty dust]

yeah, that doesn’t seem to work and doing change will force it to change my already set up fleet formations. I don’t really really want to switch around and then flip them back again if I can avoid it.

[atomic abyss]

I mean you'll just need to clear them like...once

[inland shoal]

What happens when you tap the right arrow then?

[atomic abyss]

Then after that you can sweep them no?

[haughty dust]

what right arrow are you talking about? I don’t see one.

[sharp token]

you can't leave and heal in hard mode arbiter right?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[whole crypt]

yes you cannot

[keen sable]

The answer is no

[haughty dust]

OK, I guess I’m blind. I could not see that until you pointed it out.

[plain saffron]

no you cannot

[sharp token]

regroup and rest work?

[viscid swift]

Nope

You get one chance with 4 fleets to beat Harbiter

[inland shoal]

~~It works you just can't activate it ~~

[whole crypt]

harbs if you can't defeat with your existing fleets that's it, and reentry will be a complete retry

[winter condor]

one day i will have Regensburg could be bad but that art is 10/10

[whole crypt]

#al-general

[stark quiver]

Is it a very small chance to roll a staff cat with flames aggression

[atomic abyss]

yes
how small who knows

[opal stream]

not that small
but cat dependent

[tame jungle]

was wondering, currently there's no way to get tai yuan's retrofit material right?

[soft raft]

correct
you're gonna have to wait until the next Chinese New Year

[atomic abyss]

there isn't and it hurts me to this day

[tame jungle]

bollocks

[atomic abyss]

work on one of the others

[tame jungle]

but i want the snake

oh well, thanks anyway. guess i'll be hoping that the material gets added to a shop sooner rather than later

[whole crypt]

if by the same pattern as An Shan and Chang Chun then they'll add to shop on CN anniversary

[eternal basalt]

It's not even a year, it won't be added before rerun

[whole crypt]

An Shan and Chang Chun's retrofit event didn't even rerun, they literally added it in 4 months

that is not to say we know if Tai Yuan will be the same

[iron ridge]

How much trust you get on npc ships?

And does trust increase if you use high efficiency combat logs?

[gloomy mesa]

please tell me that i'm doing something wrong and that i'm over paying for sortie. i'm currently paying 500 oil for a 2 fleet team in the first 2 stages of the event map

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Sharing_Sweet_Slumbers

[gloomy mesa]

and around 300 for one fleet in w3

[whole crypt]

not sure about HELP

[atomic abyss]

you are DEFINITELY overpaying if you're an old player

if you're a new player, you don't really have much option tbh

[gloomy mesa]

nope new player

[whole crypt]

new player best option is to run SP1 or SP2 with Shinano-chan in boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

your comps may not necessarily be strong enough to clear w/ less ships
so really, need to see what you are using

[gloomy mesa]

doing exactly that

[whole crypt]

did you just start, because the grind was meant to be done over 2 weeks, there's some headroom but doing it in like 2 days is basically grinder territory

[gloomy mesa]

just started

[whole crypt]

well good luck, I'd say giving up on her is probably better than overspending for her if you're not sure whether you can get enough

[gloomy mesa]

My two fleets

[worldly pewter]

i always forget this part

[whole crypt]

I still maintain AL is my most casual game

[soft raft]

You shouldnt be doing two fleets this early

[gloomy mesa]

using it for the event map

[whole crypt]

you can run it with 1 fleet, and better if the resources are focused on 1 fleet

[soft raft]

^
SP events like this are absolutely piss easy so you shouldnt have much issue with using one fleet

And it's better to concentrate your resources on 6 ships insted of spreading them among 12

[gloomy mesa]

Half way through

[soft raft]

You got like two days left to do so, you're prob better off cutting your losses now and use a different ship

Esp since you dont get a resource refund if you cant claim her in time

[gloomy mesa]

yeah, I failed to focus on one fleet at the start. and only using two fleets because i was toled to do so yesterday

[gloomy mesa]

how many point do i have left to farm?

[whole crypt]

so you just need like 19 more runs of SP1 with Shinano-chan, that sounds doable

[soft raft]

378 pts

[gloomy mesa]

sounds doable

[whole crypt]

19 runs of SP1 with Shinano-chan, period

if you can run SP2 comfortably then even less

[gloomy mesa]

Yeah can do it with fleet 2

[midnight ocean]

how to recover Affinity guys ?

[tame jungle]

rest, dorm

[whole crypt]

that's morale, not affinity
stop using the ship

[atomic abyss]

throw them in the dorm, stop using them

[midnight ocean]

hmm so they need to rest for 24 hours ?

[tame jungle]

nope

[atomic abyss]

not THAT long
you're at 0, you restore 20/h outside dorm

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Affinity#Morale

[tame jungle]

i think it's like 40 recovered per hour if they're in dorm, 50 if 2nd floor

[gloomy mesa]

So I should completely stop using 2 fleets? The beginners guide starts using one from world 3 onwards though

[atomic abyss]

yes

[tame jungle]

cap is 150, so just touch grass for 3-4 hr

[gloomy mesa]

Lol touch grass

[tame jungle]

helps prevent burnout 👼

[soft raft]

I dunno where you read that but that's pretty false or you just mis-read it

[gloomy mesa]

kk, thanks for clarifying

[whole crypt]

probably ectl guide, out of date

ectl's early progression was written before the early chapters truncation and oil cap

[gloomy mesa]

but the fleet recommended in the guid are still valid?

[whole crypt]

which guide are you reading

[gloomy mesa]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbguide

[soft raft]

ok yeah that's quite outdated
They havent touched that in literal years

[keen sable]

No it predates guild shop and is worthless.

[whole crypt]

yeh it's outdated
use https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations
and https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[gloomy mesa]

thanks

[glass quest]

Is Plymouth in dev lv 25 useful already?

[soft raft]

Only for her utility
She's still missing most of her stonks damage before D30

[gloomy mesa]

Is independence still worth buying? also can you guys take a look at my dock and tell me if i can improve my fleet?

[rain vine]

yes
make a thread

[jaunty vault]

yes, sure

[gloomy mesa]

how do i get cores?

[atomic abyss]

doing hard mode campaign maps

[gloomy mesa]

well going to take a while before i can buy her, lol

[tame jungle]

independence is crazy good imo, respectable damage, good support skill

[whole crypt]

no hurry

[gloomy mesa]

Fleet build help

[tame jungle]

defo worth planning for her

[whole crypt]

it'll take a while to raise her anyway

[stark quiver]

Is a sub 1 minute possible in cm easy

[undone plover]

anything is possible with ranger

[atomic abyss]

Ok
NJ Guam Unzen UvH Kron rip laff II
Who gets the rainbow burins ignoring next UR event for the time being

I have got Vanny, FdG, Soyuz, Nano and Shima at MLB

[stark quiver]

Rng based af

[tame jungle]

does helena retro's radar scan activate after 16s and then every 20s after that or is it just every 16 seconds?

[atomic abyss]

the former

[tame jungle]

right, thanks

[atomic abyss]

so 16, 36, 56 etc

[worldly lion]

Just unlocked this booba. So far I finished researching SL, Monarch, FdG, Odin and Anchorage. Who to go next? Thinking of the series 4 DRs...

[atomic abyss]

yes, agreed, Agir next sounds like a good plan

[undone plover]

Guam and Unzen I would say.

[eager mulch]

doesn’t really matter, you have no BPs

[worldly lion]

Sounds good! TY

[atomic abyss]

but ye it's gonna be a whiiiile

[eager mulch]

quite concerning with the amount of bps

research focus is not 4 that’s for sure

[eager mulch]

What do you need the most, id say uvh or NJ for an opsi bb boss fleet, Kron if you need a tank, guam if you’re pushing W15

[worldly lion]

Just checked it. they cost mroe than double the amount of BPs and x2 less are given from the catch up compared to the normal... im thinking months lol

[atomic abyss]

i havent even touched 13 proper let alone 15

[eager mulch]

Untouched smh, start touching

[atomic abyss]

unfortunately my guam is at 2lb

[undone plover]

if u are lacking UR bulins u can leave NJ for perma pity.

[atomic abyss]

cos i already had the bulins to mlb her

then gacha was a bish , formudable is formudable enemy in the gacha
and here i am

[eager mulch]

no cubes?

[keen sable]

@worldly lion read this

[atomic abyss]

nah have the cubes

[worldly lion]

oooh gotcha. What do you suggest?

[eager mulch]

set focus to pr4

[keen sable]

Series 4

[atomic abyss]

i asked and she arrived...
the original version that is

oh well, but ye i think i'll save the bulins for guam in the meantime

[eager mulch]

which ship you should mlb is based on what you need, you know this ender smh my head

[atomic abyss]

...she can tank darn well right
just not agir or kron level

[eager mulch]

similar to Kron, better tankiness in AA worlds

[atomic abyss]

[worldly lion]

This yea

[night pumice]

with the recommended newbie fleet what order should I retrofit ships in

[eternal moth]

Uni > Portland > Starter IMO

Helena you can hold off on; her retro doesn't make a massive change to the fleet, although the extra skill is nice

[keen sable]

Meaning you select and do aircraft bp but you get randoms also

[gloomy mesa]

btw what should ido about this as a beginner?

[eager mulch]

Pr4 focus

[night pumice]

absolutely nothing probably

[atomic abyss]

at your point, set to PR4 focus, do the cheap/free researches up till you reach maybe w9

[night pumice]

retro blueprints are mainly from hardmode right? I haven't seen many commissions or research that give any

[atomic abyss]

not worth looking into it till then

[gloomy mesa]

Also, should I try to buy price eugin in the event shop, or is there something else I should focus on?

[atomic abyss]

there are some commissions that give the T1 retro BPs, but that's it
hard mode and sometimes the shops

[night pumice]

I need to get my hands on another carrier soon I think, I'm still using nevada to fill a slot in my fleet - it's really just a matter of using whatever ship until I get enty right?

[soft raft]

Purely for collection this time around
you can check shop priority in the datamine in the pins

[eager mulch]

Shinano Chan is good

[night pumice]

o an actually good loli ship? huh

[eager mulch]

9 planes

I don’t think any gold ship has that many

[soft raft]

it's a very low bar to surpass when they're still shit compared to SRs much less URs

[eager mulch]

Top tier cuteness too

[gloomy mesa]

should i focus on finishing the newbi trials?

[eager mulch]

Yes

[viscid swift]

completeing them? yes

[gloomy mesa]

grding them like my life deped on it?

[keen sable]

You should focus on not losing investment in shinano-chan

Which admittedly turns out to be near zero for you

[gloomy mesa]

didn't quite get that

[keen sable]

You used 0 bulins on her so far

[gloomy mesa]

now that you said it

maybe i should do that

[keen sable]

Oh the losing? If you don't get 1000 friendship points in next 62 hours she leaves you

[gloomy mesa]

easy

100 to go

[night pumice]

1k points isn't too bad tbh, I picked her up in a couple days while I was farming sp2 for the event currency

[gloomy mesa]

thats what i'm doing too

[night pumice]

I need to invest more in my mini shinano honestly no bulins and lvl 35 compared to my current fleet at lvl 80

[gloomy mesa]

is she that good?

[night pumice]

I don't have enty so she's just about the only carrier I have besides uni and some common ones

[keen sable]

Imo boxes and parts from event have priority over farming campaign(not necessarily the same thing as beginner easy)

[keen sable]

She's the cheapest guaranteed good carrier available

[gloomy mesa]

nice

[night pumice]

huh, knew she was good but didn't know she was that good

is there somewhere I can farm plane gear

[atomic abyss]

she's not that good
it's more of whatever else readily available is absolute dog poo

[tame jungle]

Anywhere with sb2c helldiver will be good

[keen sable]

Besides event boxes and stage rewards? Probably not?

[viscid swift]

you don't farm gear BPs from the main campaign, nor from most event stages either

[eager mulch]

Only time I’d consider farming gear from event maps is if it’s really good, and event limited, so only something like HVARs

[tepid flare]

shes not good at all, you meant. its better to use any other decent elite that you get totally for free

[viscid swift]

I mean what I said, drop rates are atrocious and by the time you farm enough to get one copy you're past the point where you could have moved on from level advantage alone

[night pumice]

so am I better off just using a higher-level battleship and slowly accumulating medals for enterprise

[viscid swift]

no, we're just saying Shinano-Chan isn't that good of a ship in the grand scheme of things

[night pumice]

ah

[tepid flare]

nah. you better use carriers like unicorn, saratoga that are cheaper and get retrofit that makes them usable late game

[eager mulch]

she’s transitional

[viscid swift]

absolutely use her but don't confuse yourself into thinking she's amazing or anything

[tepid flare]

shinano chan is 0,01% of collection tier

[eager mulch]

Have you actually used shinano chan

[atomic abyss]

i mean the fleet alr has unicorn anyways

[viscid swift]

Saratoga isn't a guaranteed drop at any point, you shouldn't go out of your way to farm her and her retro is at least 4th in the priority list so getting her retroed will take some time

[tepid flare]

isnt she in the mail for starting the game? or for literally 30 medals?

[viscid swift]

no, you have to spend money to gurantee her from the first time recharge or something

[night pumice]

haven't seen her at all so uh

iirc the mail ship is like indy?

[atomic abyss]

yeah need to pay 0.99 at least

basically, she's one of those "here's a free character for your first purchase!"

[tepid flare]

i got unicorn when starting fresh on little enterprise server, but i played it for like 2 days

[eager mulch]

which, what in AL is less than 0.99$

[tepid flare]

and i remember saratoga is in exchange

[eager mulch]

He already has unicorn

[soft raft]

mail ship?

[soft raft]

No she isnt

[eager mulch]

idk what’s even happening anymore

[keen sable]

CV Carrier remains an issue for newbies

[viscid swift]

the medal shop was changed a few years back, you now have to gamble in requisition if you want to get her with medals which you shouldn't

[atomic abyss]

i mean even in the old medal shop, it was never a guaranteed that sara appeared...

[night pumice]

if I have gems should I be buying dock space

[viscid swift]

3rd dorm plus 2nd floor first, then dockspace all the way

[keen sable]

Not much else worth spending gems on

[night pumice]

ah

if I buy a dorm theme does it come with the 1st floor expansion too or do I have to buy that separately

[soft raft]

you have to fully expand the frist floor before you can buy the 2nd floor

[eager mulch]

that’s, not what he means

[night pumice]

been meaning to ask this question for a while now but I keep forgetting - what exactly does flagship do besides sink your entire fleet if it gets killed

[cobalt rapids]

gets more xp

[soft raft]

And it's where most Battleships go because most of their barrages are centered around them
Otherwise half of the barrage will constantly hard whiff straight offscreen if they arent on flag position

Battleships are also relatively more tanky than carriers

[night pumice]

ah

so are most main setups either three carriers or two carriers and a battleship?

[tepid flare]

depends on the map

[soft raft]

Triple carrier (Mob fleet only) in W13 and 1 BB 2 CV everywhere else is the general layout

[night pumice]

ah okay

guess it's time for me to grind for that second CV then (likely gonna be mini shinano in all honesty unless I can get enterprise this week or so)

[atomic abyss]

Ok I need some advice
For PR4 I have Ancho and AvP completely done, Haku at FS1 and Agir almost at D30, Marco hasn't been unlocked period

Once I complete Agir, is Haku FS5+2nd Tenrai that big a prio for me to stay and complete, or should I just jump to PR5 to work on Ply/Brest/Harbin

[eager mulch]

5

[tepid flare]

ply and harbin are game changing

[soft raft]

PR5
then you can go back to Haku FS5

Unlock Marco and max her out as well so you can get Agir and Haku prints easier

[eager mulch]

oh wait I’d personally finish haku fs

[atomic abyss]

Not worth going to 6 for Hinden/Shiman after PR5?

[tepid flare]

shimanto is alrighty on low dev

[eager mulch]

Haku fs shouldn’t take very long if you’ve completed all of the pr4 ships

[soft raft]

Shimanto's the only one that sees mainline campaign use in W15
Hinden I've mostly been planning to use in opsi mob only
And Kear is Enty replacement in Opsi Anti-light

[viscid swift]

I'd stick with PR4 until Haku and the Tenrai are done

[soft raft]

No she isnt lol

[tepid flare]

i did w15 on shimanto dev 15

[atomic abyss]

Frankly the reason why I'm putting off Marco is because my key IB backliners are all close to maxing out

And I don't have any of the key Italians that I want to raise like VV and Aquila, just impero lmao

[tepid flare]

without any issues

[viscid swift]

Marco is a non factor in all of this

[tepid flare]

shes working as well as any other great pr ship on max dev

[viscid swift]

uhh, ok

[opal stream]

i did w15 with chinese ships
its not hard

[eager mulch]

So like absolute shit?

[soft raft]

Ok?
Well she got hard carried af and just because it worked for you (When frankly it shouldnt have at all) doesnt mean it'll work for other people

[vale spindle]

as an AA carry Shimanto doesn't need high dev

[atomic abyss]

To survive on the other hand...

[eager mulch]

squishy

[vale spindle]

as a dps you want high dev

[soft raft]

Shimanto's DPS as well

[tepid flare]

thats what im trying to say. you dont need her on max dev while you could get for eg plymouth on higher dev

of course its great to have everything maxed out

[atomic abyss]

...at that point I'll just go back to Sandy and Chesh

[viscid swift]

you also don't need to use a Shimanto at Dev 15

[eager mulch]

I’m lost

[cobalt rapids]

theres plenty of better options than d15 shimanto

[atomic abyss]

Or hell, even Isuzu

[steady beacon]

How close are you to the second Tenrai?

[atomic abyss]

Let's see

[cobalt rapids]

just because u can carry a dead ship doesnt mean its good

[atomic abyss]

30 BP to go

[eager mulch]

not much

[atomic abyss]

I literally started PR4 in March gimme a break

[opal stream]

alternatively you can wait for tenrai to be massprint in gearlab

[atomic abyss]

I guess in the mean time
I'll actually finish unlocking Izumo and Seattle in the lab...

[eager mulch]

just unlock all the ships so you don’t have to worry about it later

[atomic abyss]

I just finished Harbin lul

[eager mulch]

Finishing all the pr xp grinds is very liberating

[atomic abyss]

The alternative is I go for Rupert next

Then I can at least use Rupert for Marco

[steady beacon]

I'd probably stick with it... feel like completely finishing both Agir and Hakuryuu, and getting that Tenrai done can plausibly proceed in relatively neat parallel...

[atomic abyss]

I mean I did AvP before FdG...

So I could use her for FDG
And then use FdG for Agir backline

[steady beacon]

Ngl, there's a part of me, the one most devoted to CVs, that kinda wants the third bc you're still stuck with AvP, but objectively speaking you probably have more pressing needs at that point, that would demand moving on

[viscid swift]

besides with PR7 probably dropping in the next 2 months you won't be able to make much progress on PR5 anyway

[atomic abyss]

But yeah guess I'll stick to PR4 for the time being then....

Agir is at like 1/4 the way thru D29 anyways

[eager mulch]

only reason I did Marco fs5 was to speed up haku fs

[opal stream]

skyraider rerun is same timeframe as gearlab tenrai

[atomic abyss]

Well
Let's just see what the next event UR is

If it really is German like people have been saying
And it's a backliner
I can always use her

[eager mulch]

skyraider rerun is going to destroy my need for tenrai

[atomic abyss]

I mean FFS

This thing only has levels thanks to Agir FdG and AvP grinds

I do not want to use Bisk1 and Derpitz again for the gazillionth time

[eager mulch]

0lb, lv 110, 9/10/6 skills, equipment

[atomic abyss]

Crossfleet baby

Also I'm not using her at the moment so yeah the gear is non existent

[eager mulch]

her crossfleet skill is lv 6

[atomic abyss]

Right I shd use tomorrow's 10 insta charges to fill that up

In the meantime, Izumo I guess...

Unless they seriously archive VV and Aquila this week

[eager mulch]

no rate up

[viscid swift]

Remember no rate ups for WA anymore

[atomic abyss]

Mother fucker

[steady beacon]

Hmmmmmmm... patch notes mentioned making some little ships perma plus augments... but they have occasionally been incomplete...

[soft raft]

[atomic abyss]

Well whenever wishing well comes around then

[viscid swift]

They're probably not gonna be in the CN WW

[soft raft]

or if the upcoming UR banner has majority special pool

[steady beacon]

Livestreams have also historically been incomplete, for that matter...

[atomic abyss]

Who was the farmable SR in VV event anyways?
Vv or Aquila

[viscid swift]

Cause too close if they get archived next week

[steady beacon]

Duca

[soft raft]

the CL with that long ass name

[viscid swift]

Neither, Abruzzi

[atomic abyss]

so the torp buffer

[viscid swift]

Duca Deligi Abruzzi

[steady beacon]

Torp buffer? 👀

[atomic abyss]

wait wasn't she a torper?

[steady beacon]

I guess she buffs herself

[viscid swift]

She was but I don't remember her being a buffer

[steady beacon]

But if you asked me to name torp buffers, she wouldn't come to mind, at least

[viscid swift]

Her main thing was she slowed down her torps

[atomic abyss]

it has been forever since i read her kit to be fair

[soft raft]

to be fair I dont think anyone's really looked at her kit for a while

[eager mulch]

it has been forever since i read

[steady beacon]

But she is the one who slows down her torps and increases their crit rate and crit damage pretty significantly to compensate
A menace in PvP for a time

[atomic abyss]

wasn't she pretty good at the time?

[opal stream]

in pvp

[steady beacon]

Nothing quite so terrible as watching the instruments of your doom move at an utter snail pace to your vanguard then wipe them out

Then, as always, we figured out how to deal with them

[atomic abyss]

i do remember that event being fairly cracked in terms of ships

[opal stream]

then preload died out and stalling comeback
then jintsu comes and bring back preload
and now laf2 bring back stalling

[steady beacon]

Circle of life

[atomic abyss]

and VV also had preload or something right?

or was it just pseudo preload

[steady beacon]

Semi-preload
-40% first gun cooldown for each other Italian, up to two stacks

[opal stream]

80 is may as well preload
but many people dont use the full 80 cuz "desync"

[steady beacon]

... Actually, part of the reason why Duca fell out of favour in PvP was because uh
We realised that 80% was too fast after Anchorage
So we wanted to ditch one Italian, and between her and Aquila it was no contest

[elfin hollow]

What is aurora good for?

[steady beacon]

Her massive evasion rate debuff for DD/CL enemies (so you'd use it against "real" bosses, i.e. Operation Siren and META Showdown, and Challenge Modes as well)

[soft raft]

anti-light OpSi CV fleet

[elfin hollow]

Should I replace sirus for her?

[sullen creek]

She's not just an opsi ship

[atomic abyss]

aurora and sirius don't really belong on the same fleets

[cobalt rapids]

when she works shes better than sirius usually

[opal stream]

you know they stack right?
thats 30 eva rate

[atomic abyss]

i mean how often is a frontline of kaza siri aurora gonna survive....

[viscid swift]

You don't run Kazagumo, simple

[atomic abyss]

at that point i'd rather throw aurora on the BB fleet

[cobalt rapids]

u drop kaza

[steady beacon]

Ditch Kaza for Ply
Put your ARA in the backline

[opal stream]

from what we are seeing with how they try to do with meta and cm
you dont need a proper tank

[sullen creek]

Ply is usually enough ye

[opal stream]

and sirius can sink all she want

[elfin hollow]

So she better then Sirius?

[opal stream]

depends on boss eva

[cobalt rapids]

assuming ure not capping acc yes

[atomic abyss]

i mean then i have to ask
what on earth is being run on BB boss fleets

[steady beacon]

Incidentally, I feel that might have been my original attempt at JintM...
But unfortunately overcapping on EVA RATE is a thing, so Sirius could not, at that point, compete with Helena, at least when Helena worked...

[elfin hollow]

Does she works better on bb fleets or cv

[opal stream]

she work for both

[cobalt rapids]

shes works in both fleets just aswell

[steady beacon]

She can work for either, or even hybrids

[opal stream]

her only problem is dd and cl only

and shes squish but nothing can do about that

[viscid swift]

Whatever at that point

The BB fleet is just for mopping up

[elfin hollow]

Yeah i aint replacing sirius then I have a CB

[steady beacon]

I mean, you can just put her in (like I did last month for Temperance)
Usually, for me, though, it's Agir/Helena/Ply
... It's kinda weird, but BBs... have a truly weird dearth of dedicated buffers...

[cobalt rapids]

strength, tako are cas and rodney is bb so i agree

[sullen creek]

Didn't even need Helena for that

[opal stream]

helena

[steady beacon]

Ye but Aurora is so special lol
If I could run an evasion rate debuffer for BBs all the time I would

[atomic abyss]

i mean, the weird dearth is why i was under the impression aurora would be more welcome there in BB fleets

then you could actually use kaza

[opal stream]

bistol

[steady beacon]

As I always say, many ways to skin that cat

[steady beacon]

I would want to... but then like... half the Arbiters have 20s shield and just

[opal stream]

kill them thru the shields

[sullen creek]

Would

[inland shoal]

[steady beacon]

Worth an investigation for August Strength, I suppose...
Especially since I managed to disprove my own long-standing beliefs about the anti-shell shield...

[opal stream]

only annoying one is anti crit anyway
hp shields you can just break it
hit shields... kek

[atomic abyss]

anti crit

i remember en-ing and then bringining my french fleet for the CL boss

[elfin hollow]

Are these event ships even worth getting?

[sullen creek]

What was the belief

[sullen creek]

If you want to get them no one's stopping, they are typical SR level good but give no tech

[steady beacon]

That it couldn't be done
Turns out Temperance is easy no matter what
And even Strength's can be cheesed... with enough RNG...

[sullen creek]

Did you do current strength with anti shelling?

[steady beacon]

Although I would not be so bold, or nuts, to try to replicate the Strength one on auto
Yep, the kills were May Strength

[sullen creek]

Makes sense, last month temperance was a cheese too

[opal stream]

harby is easy awyway
problem is it always tank my fps 😔

[strong jasper]

Does anyone know why she isnt leveling up, she didnt die during the battle, and i have characters that are higher leveld

[atomic abyss]

she isn't limit broken

[steady beacon]

She's not limit broken

[cobalt rapids]

shes capped by limit break

[strong jasper]

Ooooh thank you

Its fixed now thank you everyone

[serene moth]

second floor on dorm, gives morale buff?

if i unlock, will i have the same amount of places as i have unlocked in bottom?

[atomic abyss]

yes to both

[serene moth]

okidoki

[digital flower]

My current lineup is
New Jersey/Patricia Abelheim/Unicorn
Guam/Laffey II/Janus
Should I change anything?

[somber maple]

which vanguard tech do you guys think would be the best to start grinding for?

[atomic abyss]

are... any of the URs max limit broken?

[digital flower]

Not rlly

[atomic abyss]

cos URs that are not max limit broken are 🚮

[digital flower]

The only obvious flaw I see is Janus, as she doesn't rlly pair with any other ship
Ill max limit them but for now I cant afford it

[atomic abyss]

so i'd drop all the URs that are not max limit broken

have you finished the beginner missions yet?

[digital flower]

Ignored them tbh
But I do have all ships it can give

[soft raft]

finish them anyways

[atomic abyss]

at this point

might be better to see the entire dock

[steady beacon]

If you can field Ryza and Klaudia as well, they'd probably make good replacements for the non-MLB'd URs, especially since they can play combinations with Patty
That'd be my first impression, at the very least

[digital flower]

Ig ill try to go for a Kawakaze to swap for Janus
I have been mainly using the tierlists tho

[atomic abyss]

let's just see the whole dock

otherwise hard to recommend anything

[digital flower]

These r all the sr and Ur I got
Seems like I actually dont have the tutorial ships xd

[viscid swift]

Cruiser EVA then FP

[atomic abyss]

yeah i'd drop every UR there tbh, none are mlb

the only thing done right is raising unicorn

[digital flower]

[atomic abyss]

back to basics
go and raise portland, your starter and helena

[viscid swift]

Not Helena for now

[steady beacon]

In future, try to avoid spreading out Bulins
You would have been better off devoting all the UR bulins to just one of the ships, rather than spreading them out and getting left with three half-done ships

[viscid swift]

May as well use Janus since she's already leveled

[atomic abyss]

yeah fair

[undone holly]

Hello, new player here. Just curious, what do you guys build for the third fleet? I'm thinking about splitting my boss fleet into two, one for battleships and one for carriers. But I'm not sure if that's the correct move. Thank you in advance

[digital flower]

I mean, I can get 2 UR bulin by the end of the month (return player and shop), so I can max Guam, but not the other 2

[atomic abyss]

you don't even build a second fleet till around w9 at earliest
let alone a third

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give that a read if you haven't already

[atomic abyss]

^heather might want to read that too

[undone holly]

W9 as world 9 right?

[undone holly]

Will do, thanks for the help

[atomic abyss]

simply put

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... just note that we have another UR due before month's end... we probably get one from the corresponding event, and do you perhaps have the cruise pass one available? If so, that is four... and I would save them first, until we know what the May UR is, and whether it is more or less deserving of the bulin investment than what you currently have

[atomic abyss]

early on, resources are limited af
so it's not wise to build multiple fleets early on

that's the logic basically

[undone holly]

Ah, okay. Understood

[digital flower]

Im Cruise 54 rn, probably going to get the UR aswell

[steady beacon]

Good stuff

[digital venture]

I already have hood warspite north carolina from the monthly medal sr bb, which one should i get, should i just get dupe to limitbreak or get a new ship

[steady beacon]

... Ngl, I wonder at what point this UR Bulin nightmare began...
I shall count myself lucky I never had to experience it

[night pumice]

do we know what the next ur is or do we just know there will be one before may ends based on prior patterns

[atomic abyss]

the latter

[steady beacon]

If Hood is MLB, then just choose one for gaining tech (like Bismarck or Tirpitz for German tech, or Nagato/Amagi/Tosa for IJN); else grabbing a dupe of Hood can save you a precious gold bulin

[night pumice]

ah. are urs always worth saving cubes for?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[inland shoal]

For now ye

So far all URs have been extremely good

[steady beacon]

Probably the ones you most regret missing, in terms of the impact they have on your gameplay
So definitely make a concerted effort to save enough cubes for them

[sullen creek]

For me ever since Guam and Laffey II descended

My Kron and UvH still sitting at 0lb

[eager mulch]

my 2nd laffii is also sitting at 0lb

[sullen creek]

That's very unfortunate

[atomic abyss]

give pls

[night pumice]

ah okay. I'm only at like 150 cubes rn would I have enough by the time the ur is released

[eager mulch]

admin trying to do rmt

[jaunty vault]

you should have enough by the time the UR event ends

[steady beacon]

Uhhh... depending on your random cube luck, it probably should be just possible to scrape to 400 before the end of the upcoming UR event

[eager mulch]

5 weeks until the UR event would end supposedly

[steady beacon]

... oh for God's sake, at this point everyone has sniped me

[jaunty vault]

skill issue

[eager mulch]

dead week, prelude, 3 week event

[digital flower]

Ur got 1.2% chance, 2 cubes a ship, it would take around 166 cubes on average

[steady beacon]

Indeed, positively massive skill issues...

[jaunty vault]

[digital flower]

I got Jersey with 36 cubes so RNG is also massively important

[sullen creek]

Jersey is not UR

[digital flower]

New Jersey is

[atomic abyss]

r/technicallythetruth

[eager mulch]

i got in 0 cubes

[steady beacon]

Huh...
166 cubes = 83 builds, which was... how I tried to calculate (incorrectly) the expected value...
Iirc the proper answer is closer to 75 or 76, due to the pity, though, which I did not account for

[jaunty vault]

probability is dumb

[digital flower]

83x1.2=99.6(closest to 100) so that would be the average
Ofc its not 83 cos ur either lucky or unlucky

[inland shoal]

That's not how probability works with pity, the average aka expected value is ~76

[digital flower]

Quick Question
If I get a ship and retire it does it still count for collection?

[inland shoal]

Yes

[steady beacon]

My UR experience so far has either been either "a breeze", or "absolute torture"
No average exists

[jaunty vault]

why even put pity in the equation

[inland shoal]

Cuz pity is in the game?

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

cooper, not everyone can live without pity in their lives

[opal stream]

i mean both are right just depend on how you view it

[jaunty vault]

i mean

[steady beacon]

It's actually quite helpful from a purely theoretical point of view, as I realised after Thorin explained the way it was calculated, because it lets you terminate the probability distribution function at a finite point...

[opal stream]

76 would be true if the 200th is the ship
but we get spark system instead so yea

[inland shoal]

Sure, but why would you care exclusively about pulling without redeeming pity?

[jaunty vault]

if you consider average player gets his UR in say 80 pulls, then the assumption would be, they dont hit pity

[frank kernel]

There's no pity in purple hell.

[jaunty vault]

[inland shoal]

I mean sure, on average you won't hit pity...but that's just how rng works

[jaunty vault]

right

anyways, i stand by my statement, probability is dumb

[steady beacon]

I think we can agree on that

[forest palm]

why think when you can just roll

[jaunty vault]

cause im a gambling addict and ion take chances

better way of calculating rates would be, the chances of getting UR in a defined number of pulls, say 200

[opal stream]

91%

[rain vine]

chance of getting a UR in 80 pulls is ~62%

[cobalt rapids]

chance of getting a UR in 1 pull is 1.2%

[inland shoal]

The only sensible answer to that imo is 100% thx to pity since it just doesn't matter if you get an UR or not in the last pull (except for burin consumption ofc)

[serene moth]

what thats crazy, you have 0% if you never pull

[inland shoal]

I got Laffii without pulling doe

[eager mulch]

i got 2 laffii without pulling

[inland shoal]

Btw if that's what you want, I also have these things

[jaunty vault]

funny lines

[cobalt rapids]

nice drawing

[jaunty vault]

and flashbang

[serene moth]

me who use light mode

[atomic abyss]

at least this graph didn't get blocked by clyde

yes, i've had screenshots of dps calcs in excel get blocked by clyde before

[forest palm]

when the math gets too spicy

[jaunty vault]

why is clyde even allowed

[opal stream]

so i need 1k pull to get all ships at least once

[forest palm]

because this is an official discord, so he's mandetory more or less

[atomic abyss]

clyde is required to be turned on to maximum setting on all verified and above servers

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

well clyde is smarter than he was in 2018/2019 so no worries

[forest palm]

still pretty dumb though

[strong jasper]

What do the question marks mean on hwr abilities, can she not get any more abilities or does she need to be fully limit break before those appear

[rain vine]

she only got one skill
nothing changes that

[soft raft]

and she will never get more unless they give her a retrofit

[strong jasper]

ah ok thank you

[inland shoal]

Admittedly question marks are a bit of an odd choice, but it's just the default background

[eager mulch]

even then no guarantee on a new skill

[inland shoal]

And retrofits and other unlockable skills already display the skill, just in locked form I think

[steady beacon]

Yep
Well, retrofits that already exist...

[undone plover]

do only retro give new skills or augments as well?

[eager mulch]

augments only "upgrade" a skill

like KGV

[inland shoal]

So far

[wide trench]

r swiftsgire and tashkentbworth keepinh

[eager mulch]

define worth

[wide trench]

Like ive got some levels on them but i also noticed i dont have mf enterprise somehow and i was thinking of retiring them for medals if she comes up on that shop

[soft raft]

Swift is kinda whatever and Tashkent is basically a sidegrade to the retrofitted starters but I wouldnt really say scrapping them to get medals for Enterprise is something that would come to the mind of most players (unless you manage to get dupes)

[cloud fractal]

3 copies of SD later lmao

She's too damn expensive to upgrade, but I keep pulling her on random pulls

[stark quiver]

Are you pulling only once a day on light?

[soft raft]

South Dakota is heavy pool so he's prob doing event pulls

[cloud fractal]

No, it's San Diego. I whale, so I was burning some excess gems today on the Light Pool. I had gotten San Diego twice three days ago. Got a third copy just a few minutes ago.

I'm not doing event anymore. I have a MLB Nosh, Form Muse, and still have like 6 copies of Form muse sitting in my dock.

[stark quiver]

There’s no such thing as excess cubes

[vale spindle]

He's a whale so if he needs more he can just whale harder

[stark quiver]

U right

[cloud fractal]

^This

[vale spindle]

its only an issue if they are complaining about having to whale which they aren't

[cloud fractal]

I'm literally whaling 4 different games right now, I'll be dropping games long before that ever would even cross my mind.

Gacha is gacha. I am a lover and will continue to support games that amuse me.

[vale spindle]

understandable have a nice day

[viscid swift]

whatever floats your boat I guess

[cloud fractal]

I see what you did there!

[opaque galleon]

Buying/trading accounts is against tos right?

[silk sphinx]

When is it not

It’s pretty much always forbidden for basically every online service, game or otherwise

[cloud fractal]

It almost always is in these games. Too much hassle for the company because scammers sell and then use the account recovery features to steal the account back and make it look like the buyer was the problem

[vale spindle]

Yes it is

[silk sphinx]

Also in general sellers sell for a relatively small sum far below how much the game “values” the characters and pulls inside

Hence, they view it as lost profit.

[stark quiver]

Honest grinding > buying account

[opaque galleon]

I see your point, I was going to say that if you were going to whale, might as well buy a developed account but if it’s against tos, oh well

[cloud fractal]

I need to go farm some retro blueprints. Can't really whale those! Uni, Jav, and Port are calling my name! And San Diego, but that's gonna be a long process!

[silk sphinx]

Gl have fun.

[cloud fractal]

No, I support the games. No need to buy others progress. Half the fun for me is the collecting.

[silk sphinx]

That said, this is #gameplay-help, so chatting is for #al-general if you don’t think it’s relevant

[undone plover]

well fwiw u don't really NEED to whale on azur lane for ships. Plenty of ppl have 100% collection as f2p. U can whale skins or oath rings if u want. but ig that is up to you.

[silk sphinx]

Honestly other than the TOS issue I don’t think it’s very fun starting from a maxxed account, it’s just nice to start the game fresh, learn the mechanics, acquire ships on your own

Anyhow I’ll drop it myself I’m giving a bad example

[silk sphinx]

Even the non f2ps don’t spend on cubes usually

[undone plover]

yeah that is what I am trying to say

i suppose u can whale cubes to finish PR seasons

[silk sphinx]

I’ve some 1.6k cubes rn, pulled on every banner I was there for, with some 98% collection (missed a banner and some old events I wasn’t there for). Never bought any cubes

[stark quiver]

I have whales for skins and I’m not proud of it I’m at 380 cubes which is sad, I’m missing a lot of ships cuz I need to pull for reruns

[inland shoal]

I once bought coins with gems for builds
Especially early on you can get unlucky enough that you run out of cubes, it's almost guaranteed to happen if you really go for everything, later on this becomes extremely unlikely though

[wet prairie]

2 hard pity URs back to back with a collab

[cloud fractal]

I've been buying as I'm going because I like collecting and I like having shiny options to choose from. Ultimately, buying gems and cubes and whatnot is just how I enjoy the game. Is it early for me to be doing this? Yes. Am I getting a lot of stuff that I don't necessarily know how to best prioritize or use? Also Yes. Do I regret doing it, despite others may disprove of how I'm going about my experience? Not one bit.

[wet prairie]

It went VG > musashi for reruns right?

[viscid swift]

most likely yes

[wet prairie]

Thank god, I’m finally caught up

[silk sphinx]

If you’re enjoying it and it’s affordable to you then go for it

[wet prairie]

Game is enjoyment #1

[silk sphinx]

It’s a game, we’ll tell you how to make best use of your resources but the rest is up to you

[inland shoal]

Imagine not having 100% collection rate without spending on cubes

[viscid swift]

The thing about whaling like that in AL is not any of that but you can obtain everything as a F2P so if you're going to whale in such a manner be 100% sure it is worth it to you.

[soft raft]

with some SRs in between yeah

[silk sphinx]

Tbh it would take a while with perma pool being as big as it is already

[wet prairie]

Damn I’m only 2 reruns off from a full circle

[silk sphinx]

I could go ham on light or heavy or something with 2k cubes dk if I’d get anything new

[viscid swift]

honestley that wouldn't even be the biggest concern

ignoring events yet to be archives there's so many ships now locked behind one of the shop exlcusively it will take that long to build up collection rate

I've been working on a new spreadsheet to complement my guide and just between the merit, core, and medal shop plus a few map drop and core data ships it's already nearing in total 100 ships

[silk sphinx]

The cheeky guide

[cloud fractal]

I'm at 26% in just over a week. And yeah, I read that you can pretty much do everything except skins for free in this game. It's still worth it to me, because it acts as a boost to the account and will allow me a little bit of freedom in how I play as I acquire some of these resources.

[viscid swift]

really what I'm saying is whaling doesn't significantly speed up the time to get to 100% at least in my eyes

[silk sphinx]

Once again, if you’re having fun then that’s great

[viscid swift]

there's just too many time gates for that

[silk sphinx]

Although, do note that we’re due to have a UR event at the end of this month

[wet prairie]

panics at 158 cubes

[silk sphinx]

By which I mean, probably much better ships then you’d get just randomly pulling in permanent pool

[viscid swift]

not to mention a glut of new skins

[silk sphinx]

One other major reason why random pulls are discouraged is that a lot of the best ships are event locked

[viscid swift]

and the usual wishing well event most likely

[silk sphinx]

So outside of the events you’re just getting some potentially years old characters way out of the meta

Some of them are pretty good, but even then events just are more bang for your buck

If you’re going to whale for pulls

Might I suggest considering waiting for the end of the month

[cloud fractal]

I'll have those too as they come out, just collecting other things as we go though. But we really should revert this back to help chat. I did not mean to derail it this badly.

[viscid swift]

well this is still help

[silk sphinx]

You might even snag some UR dupes, which while I would never recommend to others, as a whale it might be affordable

Aight, well it’s not that busy rn and it’s about using resources effectively

Also yea, we try to adhere to rules but it’s not that strict

[wet prairie]

When’s the stream meant to happen (or is there even a stream I forgot)

[silk sphinx]

Around a week prior

I think the 17th maybe?

[wide trench]

alr

[wet prairie]

This coming 17th?

[viscid swift]

there abouts would be my guess

[wet prairie]

Oh sht

[soft raft]

there's always a livestream for new URs

[silk sphinx]

Stream are usually Friday from what I remember

[wet prairie]

I’ll get 40 cubes by then right?

[silk sphinx]

I don’t ever watch them though so forgive me for innacuracies

[silk sphinx]

Seems like a lowball

[cloud fractal]

Here's a pertinent question... do we have any idea what it's going to be? Most other Gacha's you know long in advance, but the asiatic servers are synced up with the rest of the servers right?

[viscid swift]

a lot of the times it is Friday but it's nowhere near that consistent

[viscid swift]

no, all the main servers are synced in AL

[silk sphinx]

Cheeky has a more regular timetable

Here;

Past URs schedule
sep 17 2020 - Shinano (JP anniversary)
may 27 2021 - New Jersey (CN anniversary)
sep 16 2021 - Shimakaze (JP anniversary)
dec 29 2021 - Ulrich Von Hutten
feb 24 2022 - Kronshtadt
may 26 2022 - Vanguard (CN anniversary)
sep 15 2022 - Musashi (JP anniversary)
dec 22 2022 - Yorktown II
feb 23 2023 - Implacable
may 25 2023 - Bismarck Zwei (CN anniversary)
sep 14 2023 - Unzen (JP anniversary)
dec 21 2023 - Guam
feb 29 2024 - Sovetsky Soyuz

Next CN anniversary update should be on the 23rd, so new UR ship going by previous years

[wet prairie]

Outside of Taiwan the other servers are synced iirc (Japan just does maint early by I think 1-2 hours)

[silk sphinx]

CN also diff update time

[wet prairie]

Can’t tell cause they don’t post in #trophy-room

[silk sphinx]

Even earlier by a couple hours. But otherwise content is the same

We still have some WA desync yea?

[viscid swift]

One small SP event, that's it

[cloud fractal]

But content wise they're synced though. Lots of other gachas aren't. The asia servers often lead by several months.

[wet prairie]

Taiwan being like 2-3 years behind

[cloud fractal]

So you tend to have a really strong idea of what's being released when,.

[viscid swift]

Yeah, the AL devs caught EN in 2021 mostly

[silk sphinx]

Yep they are, so predictions are based on the schedules followed on previous years, because Manjuu (company behind the game) rarely reveals anything in advance

[inland shoal]

There's only a crackpot theory saying it's a kms event cuz of something with Carl Friedrich's ID

[silk sphinx]

Speculation in gph. As expected

Well the schedule itself is guesswork tbh

[viscid swift]

It not that Crack pot given Carl had to be pulled from some future event

[wet prairie]

gimme anson

[undone plover]

have we ever had a CtA before stream?

[south sequoia]

A lot of times

[viscid swift]

Pretty much always

[undone plover]

do they put generic title or basically spoil the event?

[south sequoia]

Generic title

Call to arms: (insert faction)

[viscid swift]

There's never been much to gleam other than the faction

[inland shoal]

Yeah and the ID is sth like 1 greater than the current event or sth though idk what ID they were even talking about
I still wouldn't trust it at all

[undone plover]

that's not nothing tho

[south sequoia]

There's also still the fact some factions are also missing IDs for ships, so while it maybe plausible it doesnt really hold too well

[viscid swift]

Occasionally you can deduce the UR from the pre event story but yeah

[wet prairie]

Call to arms usually doesn’t even have the correct faction

[silk sphinx]

When has that ever happened

Other than soyuz ig but man, cope in previous years

[viscid swift]

Musashi and Zwei

[inland shoal]

Weren't there some CtAs that had weird names where you couldn't even rly tell the faction?

[cloud fractal]

Is there a good stage for retro blueprints? I know it's HM but is there a way to cheese more blueprints outside of the 3 completions?

[south sequoia]

Yes like rondos CTA

[silk sphinx]

No. Guild shop often sells some which you can buy pretty cheaply

[south sequoia]

Soyuz banner, CTA iron blood and the exp ships were of multiple faction ships

[cloud fractal]

I'm not sure why my phone keeps randomly replying to people. Sheesh

[silk sphinx]

Higher worlds can maybe drop better quality prints?

[silk sphinx]

Huh. Didn’t know that🤔

Actually I may have heard of musashi being name dropped prior

[viscid swift]

Musashi was mentioned a lot in her pre event story and Bismarck in some translations outright said she was using type 2 rigging before her event.

Not concrete by any means but they were pretty safe bets if there is such a thing in that regard.

[inland shoal]

Actually was Soyuz mentioned in Kron CtA?

[cloud fractal]

Guess I don't need Pennsylvania for my primary fleet anymore... Just MLB'd NJ. Working on getting her to next level cap of 110.

[viscid swift]

At that point nope, also blogging goes to #al-general

[silk sphinx]

we’re poor at leading by example, but yeah, either discussion about the game or questions, no blogging

[stark quiver]

We stop until mod comes

[low juniper]

How come the ships in #event-faq still have their evaluations pending

[undone plover]

u can check the datamine in pins. Sam has evaluations there.

[low juniper]

Oh thanks

[hidden umbra]

Do you guys have any tips in fleet building for new players?

[undone plover]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding

[forest palm]

section 10

[hidden umbra]

Thank you

[low juniper]

Also is it possible to get 8k points in the remaining 2 days of the event as an early game player? Asking for my friend who wants Eugen muse but was busy the whole event period, he has Soyuz as his only UR and somewhat passable fleets

He's like, lvl 40 something

[forest palm]

8k points in 56 hrs seems doable

[eager mulch]

doable

[viscid swift]

Probably not with just 2 days left

[forest palm]

SP5 as a whole is a low bar

[undone plover]

there is 5k here. so def doable

[viscid swift]

No but for someone who's probably still at lvl 40, that's a bit of an ask in 2 days

[low juniper]

Don't remember what other ships he has aside from Soyuz

[forest palm]

I have to wonder if they're talking about CMD Lv

[low juniper]

Yes I am talking about his cmd lvl

[viscid swift]

That's what I'm assuming

[forest palm]

CMD Lv is irrelevant in most cases, and not something you should be referencing

their average ship level would be more relevant

[low juniper]

Well as I said, I don't remember what he has

Dunno if he's online right now though so can't find out atm

[forest palm]

well if they can clear SP5 with no issue it'd take about 45 runs give or take, and there's bonus points on the way, so that number can drop

[undone plover]

no need to clear sp5. just try and get the clear + 3 star missions

[low juniper]

He's been busy with college and his internet is ass so he hasn't redownloaded the game, he thinks he may not have time since downloading takes a long time

Idk if 56 hours is enough either

[forest palm]

that's on them, like we said, it's doable, just depends on the individual

[undone plover]

he can leave his phone/pc overnight and start the grind tomorrow. it is doable but will take some time since u need to clear maps. so will take a few hours. also at some point he will run out of morale and will need to let the ships regain it. and then log in when it is high again.

[eager mulch]

child ships don’t give tech right?

damn, I’m still raising them

[viscid swift]

Cope something changes later this month

[eager mulch]

they are too cute to be ignored

I didn’t need the tech anyways

[forest palm]

I'll just shelve them if I need CDC fodder

[round egret]

is this a good bb gun?

[eager mulch]

no

[viscid swift]

Absolutely not

[forest palm]

no it's bad

[eager mulch]

terrible even

[forest palm]

trash one might say

[normal crane]

Is there any tier list for the gear?

[viscid swift]

No because gear is situational

There is however a very good gear guide, #bot-spam /equip

Sam's guide

[round egret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wWMIzaUKISAXMbOEnmsuuLkO9PesabpdTUWdosvHygM/edit#gid=1454015089 i m using the google doc but there is so much stuff i m never sure myself

[crisp estuary]

[normal crane]

Thankies

[round egret]

i see i can craft this from the terrible 380, is it ever worth it?

[forest palm]

not really

[viscid swift]

Nope

[forest palm]

pretty subpar, not that much better than a purple twin 410

[viscid swift]

It is to the Twin 410mm what the Gold diver is to a Helldiver

[round egret]

guess i ll keep the purple 406 until i can get my hands on a rainbow gun for he then

[eager mulch]

can’t time with

[viscid swift]

That and the Mk6 don't even do the same thing

Different timings

[round egret]

oh right 18 and 20 sec, i m using the twin 410 on bb with good barrage

[forest palm]

just subscribe to the 457 if you want a barrage gun

[eager mulch]

I’d rather be subscribed to the mk7

[round egret]

~~imagine having any rainbow gear ~~

[viscid swift]

Subscribing to the Mk7 doest mean you get more of them

[eager mulch]

but i can get more helena so I’m fine

[sharp socket]

which stages drop the most purple ships

[viscid swift]

If you're trying to farm for medals just farm your usual spots

[soft raft]

technically the drop tables generally have the same amount of each rarity but uh
We have no fucking clue about any form of drop rates in campaign maps so just farm where you usually do

well besides Akagi and Kaga ig

[eager mulch]

standard survivability auxes for light cruisers is toolbox rudder yes?

[viscid swift]

Yes

[soft raft]

yuh

[eager mulch]

nothing but the best for my helena

[sharp socket]

are there some datamine channels i can find somewhere or do u guys not like datamine

[soft raft]

drop rates are not datamineable

[south sequoia]

It's all server side

[viscid swift]

Drop rates are server-side so not dataminable

[soft raft]

we only do datamines to preview upcoming content the night of maint

[viscid swift]

And no, no one has bothered to try and figure it out empirically because there is no point to be blunt

[sharp socket]

so theres also no one bruteforcing drop rates either

alright then this is depressing

[viscid swift]

Why?

[south sequoia]

Some people have tried to gather community data but be warned it's not 100% confirmed nor accurate

[elfin hollow]

Which italian ship should i mlb (is for tech points as well to increase levels)

[sand sedge]

aquila veneto are both good, impero is solid, duca is okay

[hidden umbra]

Fleet help

[sharp socket]

is higher stage = better oil/coin efficiency

[whole crypt]

only true after oil cap

[keen sable]

you can start with pins and end up on wiki. I think you can figure out the trend.

[elfin hollow]

And to get brest where are some easy ways to get iris libre points

[half plover]

I like how it says PR/DR everywhere, but it never explains what that actually means

other than just the item names itself or research categories

[whole crypt]

priority/decisive research

[half plover]

first time I read it, ty

[viscid swift]

I refer you to Sam's fleet tech guide

[ivory crown]

who should i go for first

[south sequoia]

It doesn't really matter who but I guess souryuu/helena

Souryuus great for cv rld tech

[undone plover]

wouldnt hiryuu/ark be better for acc tech?

[elfin hollow]

? ? ?

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

[south sequoia]

Guess so, and their fights are the easiest but it doesn't really matter who they go for first

[eager mulch]

rld tech good if you need rld tech

[sand sedge]

Helena is solid to use as well, shes actually good afaik

[eager mulch]

Helena good

[sand sedge]

I'd prioritize getting actually good ships that you might wanna fill out your roster with before minmaxing tech

[viscid swift]

Fortunately none of the METAs really fit that description

[sand sedge]

helena meta and (while she isnt obtainable from archive) jintsuu meta are both really good buffers, that being said

[south sequoia]

Most of them are good but not something you would particularly need or can even slot into your fleet if you're far enough into the game to consistently beat their fights

[hollow gust]

they are solid ships, but you wont go for them cause they are good

[south sequoia]

So far, jintsuu meta is the only one with the best use out of all the meta ships

[eager mulch]

does mintsuu buff anything outside of torps?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[eager mulch]

torp meme ew gross

[warm flax]

When jintsuu come back

[south sequoia]

To be fair, she makes life in pvp easier

[eager mulch]

I don’t play pvp

[viscid swift]

About a year after her showdown ended

[warm flax]

Does the progress save btw?

[south sequoia]

Whenever you ask when will x come back 95% of the timr the answer will always be "We don't know."

[viscid swift]

Yes

[sharp socket]

how long does it usually take for UR to rerun

[viscid swift]

2 years plus

[night pumice]

When exactly should I be looking into a second fleet? Is it at like W9, or lvl 60 when operation siren unlocks

[eager mulch]

W9

[glacial heath]

are these abilities good? or should they specificly be aviation not reload

[south sequoia]

Its alright

[elfin hollow]

FFNF Béarn which stage could I get her?

[elfin hollow]

(On war archives)

[eternal moth]

Hmm, I'm down to 3 CVs that give AVI for fleet tech. Running triple BB from now on in 12-4 isn't going to be fun.

[eager mulch]

sky bound oratorio B/D 1/2

[cursive creek]

She any good?

[eager mulch]

good not top tier

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Sharing_Sweet_Slumbers
u will need to gain 1000 trust with her in 2 days otherwise she goes away

[cursive creek]

No, I have her permanently. I got the trust

[tropic tusk]

does meta exp counts to research? or it dosent

[cursive creek]

I'm a new player (Only level 43) and she seems to be really helpful in my team

I'm just debating if I should invest in her

[tropic tusk]

well u have 2 days to do it

if u dont do it the even finish and shes gone

[soft raft]

She's pretty decent for new players but in the long run, she's quite nothingburger

[undone plover]

enterprise is better if u can get 80 medals

[cursive creek]

wdym I have her permanently

[tropic tusk]

oh ok then ur fine

[cursive creek]

I don't have 80 medals yet so until then should I upgrade her to a 5 star

[tropic tusk]

depends wt u have tbh

[cursive creek]

This is where she fits in my current team

[plain saffron]

META is META faction so nope

[tropic tusk]

ok thx

[tropic tusk]

unicorn put on left then shnano on right

[undone plover]

that is a solid team. u can get hood from medal shop then and work on her first