gameplay-help

[regal tinsel]

like those criteria locked D3 maps? i tried swapping gears there but like aviation and some weird criteria must be met.

[south sequoia]

that is why you fill the other fleet with crossfleets/ships to meet the criteria

[regal tinsel]

hahahaha yea but i just reach like 50k points on farming and quit the event after. i just continue if i farm for map drops

[eager mulch]

instructions unclear, my ship is on fire and ramming the enemy

[regal tinsel]

daaaaamn. if there's another event i'll get back to you guys i don't youtube that much and just curious how the heck you do those maps haha

[south sequoia]

please don't use youtube for guides..

90% of AL youtubers are unreliable when writing guides
Just approach us here and shoot us a question

[regal tinsel]

frick. i've been doing everything wrong here i guess

[viscid swift]

I 1-1 clear all events maps with Unicorn and an shan

[opal stream]

in short we dont use maxed ships for farming
at worst we use a uni
so that we can level those ships as well
for tech or just raising the ships to use in general

[regal tinsel]

thanks there lol. i'll just drop around here then

[viscid swift]

If you're struggling with maxed ships then massive gear issue

[south sequoia]

better late than never

[regal tinsel]

right right

[south sequoia]

what matters most is you were able to stop the bleeding than let it flow out

[eager mulch]

I’d rather bleed out tbh

[fervent hearth]

🧀

[south sequoia]

a prime example of a youtuber to not listen to

lol

[still gate]

who is better hood or bismarck? or is there a bb in medal shop that is better than both of them?

[soft raft]

Hood's the best for pratical use out of that selection

[viscid swift]

Hood is the best BB in the medal shop

[still gate]

thanks

[silk sphinx]

so. fleet for cm plz

[eager mulch]

anti medium rainbow spam

[silk sphinx]

fair enough ig

[eager mulch]

I mean, it’s quite literally just a damage check

[sweet delta]

Siriusly rainbow?

[eager mulch]

I need a Helena retro to rainbow

[graceful meteor]

so we got all 12, what next? CN animal frame?

[viscid swift]

Nah, just repeat

[graceful meteor]

[silk sphinx]

confirmed?

as in, no new rewards?

[viscid swift]

Pretty much, CN patch notes heavily implied as much

[silk sphinx]

welp

[pulsar hornet]

I forgot who's supposed to be in the best sub fleet that isn't a Wolf Pack. Was it Leonardo, Nautilus and Archerfish?

[soft raft]

Archer, Flasher, and Albacore

[pulsar hornet]

Ah, thanks.

Oh yeah, is it just me or is this event doesn't give that much coins? Then again... it's just 5 stages instead of the usual so that might explain things...

[soft raft]

it's a SP format event so yeah

[worn dragon]

Guys are there any delay between global server and JP ?

[wind hazel]

few hours delay

[worn dragon]

Damn nice

I mean in progress wise

[stark quiver]

wdym?

[worn dragon]

Like in Fate it's a 2 years delay between the 2 server
In Blue Archive, a few months

[plain saffron]

we already catch up

[stark quiver]

we didnt really miss that much compared to jp

[worn dragon]

Woah nice

So basically I can just hop onto JP and misses nothing right ?

[stark quiver]

yea

tho youd probably want to stay on one server sicne account data doesnt transfer

[plain saffron]

and no language change

[sharp token]

should i use HE gun for richy because of her skill?

then what should i put on her?

[plain saffron]

get more of these from tech boxes

[arctic aspen]

does agir have fs5

[whole jolt]

How to know which ship to marry?

[wind hazel]

ask your heart

[uneven cave]

If you don't plan on late game minmaxing, whoever you want

[arctic aspen]

^ or your meta slavebook

[whole jolt]

I want that

[arctic aspen]

then just put it on a busted ur

[whole jolt]

So Implacable or Bismarck Zwei

[wind hazel]

if you're marrying a meta ship, you best marry them all

[arctic aspen]

hell yea

[wind hazel]

it's either marry all or marry none. this isn't a joke

[arctic aspen]

biz is a great choice

[whole jolt]

OKAY

[uneven cave]

rld desync

[wind hazel]

not joking btw. it's really all or none

[arctic aspen]

[wind hazel]

don't half ass marry one, you'll find yourself in difficulty later on

[whole jolt]

So should I wait for more rings?

[arctic aspen]

no

there's like 8 billion ships in this game

[uneven cave]

You're never gonna afford one for free

[arctic aspen]

[wind hazel]

1. marry a random non-meta ship
2. marry all meta ship
3. marry nobody

pick one

[arctic aspen]

This is the help channel I think you've dragged it out enough

[whole jolt]

4. marry a random meta ship

[arctic aspen]

this is the chad choice

[wind hazel]

4 will land you in desync issue

[wind hazel]

please stop talking rubbish if you don't intend to help

[arctic aspen]

says the guy encouraging whaling

[uneven cave]

Eh if you aren't meta slaving 100% I don't think a bit of desync is gonna brick you

[whole jolt]

Idk anymore

[wind hazel]

i'm not fuckin joking. i've been repeating myself that marrying only one meta ship will ruin your syncing

[arctic aspen]

who cares

[wind hazel]

it's either marry all or marry none meta ship. you think i was joking and encouraging whaling?

[uneven cave]

Don't think too hard about it

[viscid swift]

Marry all in this case means all 3 main fleets in a fleet

[wind hazel]

eg, if you marry BisZ, then you're better off marrying Soyuz etc as well

[whole jolt]

Okaay i just have two rings so better use them wisely

[arctic aspen]

the meta constantly changes, ffs my washington was married at one point

[wind hazel]

marry implacable, then marry shinano hakuryuu as well

[uneven cave]

My long island is still married

[arctic aspen]

I wish we had enough rings to "marry all"
pure whalespeak

[viscid swift]

It does hence why only whales oath for stats

[whole jolt]

Can you divorce the ship and get the ring back?

[wind hazel]

no

[viscid swift]

No

[whole jolt]

Oof

Thats bad

[wind hazel]

marry unicorn if you just need the mission 🏃‍♂️

[viscid swift]

Just oath your waifu and be done with it

[whole jolt]

Im not gonna marry anyone for now... That sounds better.

[uneven cave]

Or you can do what I did
Immediately oath the objectively best starter, Nimi

[whole jolt]

Javelin better?

[uneven cave]

If you're that type

[cloud fractal]

Just unlocked meta lab and tried one attempt on Rodney and holy crap 😂 got a long way to go before my lvl 80 fleet can handle that n

[atomic abyss]

It do be like that yes

[jaunty vault]

nah, id win

[keen sable]

cuz that's what friends strangers are for 🎶

[sullen gale]

is enhancing ship suppose to be one sided?
like one of the stats for example fp is gonna be full earlier than the rld

ill take that as a yes then

is there any way to hopefully balance enhancing ship?

[keen sable]

you could ocd it but i don't recommend it

[uneven cave]

What are you going to do about it

[sullen gale]

honestly feel like a waste of common ships

[sullen gale]

whats ocd?

[wind hazel]

ironically that's their best usage

[uneven cave]

The only alternative of common ships is retiring them

[sullen gale]

fair point

[keen sable]

calculating the minimum enhancers needed to max a ship

[sullen gale]

ahh okay yea i get it

[cursive creek]

Are these teams good? How could I improve them?

[keen sable]

no and by removing the six worst ones

[cursive creek]

oh sorry

so is team 1 bad or team 2

or are they both bad

[keen sable]

Generally you're going to start the game with Pennsylvania, Unicorn, Shinano-chan, Portland, Helena, Laffey. Anyone you don't have, buy from Guild Shop

[uneven cave]

Do new players generally want to clear everything with just 1 fleet initially

[viscid swift]

Nelson instead of Penn in this case

[cursive creek]

I don't have Pennsylvania or Helena

[uneven cave]

buy from guild shop

[cursive creek]

can't

[viscid swift]

Have you read the newbie tips

[cursive creek]

On the wiki

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/newbguide

like here?

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

No that's the outdated one

[keen sable]

why not?

[cursive creek]

Have to wait till refresh

[keen sable]

you already used the refresh?

[viscid swift]

Refresh the shop for 50 tokens

[cursive creek]

Ok thanks

Also I have team 1 but what about team 2

[viscid swift]

Just use one fleet

[keen sable]

there is no team 2

[viscid swift]

And read that

[uneven cave]

When would you tell a new player to use a second fleet? When they reach w9?

[viscid swift]

Around w9

Differs from case to case

[keen sable]

me? 8-9 good ships. i would certainly advise it before a hard mode event shows up

[vital cargo]

for operation siren auto exploration is there a setting to automatically move to the next area instead of having to click pick up loot

[jaunty vault]

go to settings>options and find "reduce TB guidance"

[vital cargo]

Thank you

[thorn tartan]

what ship did we recently get that has a healing ability?

heals lowest hp ship and a random other(s), something like that

[sleek flower]

volga?

[thorn tartan]

i thought so but i just read her abilities and didn't see it, i'lll check again

not sure how i missed that

[crisp estuary]

[sudden spire]

so for anti submarine warfare, sonar auxes only increase range, and depth charge/asw bombers will deal the damage?

[graceful meteor]

all you need is hedgehog and maybe asw plane for your CVL

[sudden spire]

hedgehog can only be obtained from the weeklies yeah

there's no other budget options or anything a bit more accessable?

[cloud fractal]

Should I use these on St Louis who is being developed but nowhere close to finished, or Monarch whom I haven’t started yet. Or someone else (I have Roon)

[atomic abyss]

Is this from the paid pack?

[cloud fractal]

Yes.

[atomic abyss]

Frankly for PR1... You're probably going to use like none of them

[sinful void]

not really ab gameplay but is there a name for the song that plays on the event sortie page? i can’t find anything in memories jukebox or records. it just sounds nice

[atomic abyss]

So if you're missing say ironblood fleet tech for FDG
Could max out roon

[cloud fractal]

Roon is at 30/30 and Fate 1.

That’s why I’m not sure lol

[atomic abyss]

Then leave it unused for the time being

If you've already done roon for PR1, just move on to PR2 to get FDG

[cloud fractal]

Yeah. That’s my goal. Need a butt ton more tech points. It’s like 243/660 right now or something like that.

But okay. Imma leave it be.

[elfin hollow]

How to get more?

[inland shoal]

Be in a guild

[elfin hollow]

Sobbing

[still gate]

Why do you have only 2 stars?

[elfin hollow]

We can’t all be game pleasers, Simp.

[still gate]

But 3 stars give extra rewards

[elfin hollow]

Potato Potatho

Almost done.. (if only I had extra coins.)

[steady beacon]

It's one of the tracks that also plays in the TB game... although, in saying that, I'm unaware of its name
And a couple of searches on YT are yielding me nothing
It always plays in the "outside" of the TB world if ever you want to hear it though

[still gate]

Should I limit break Pennsylvania or just wait few days and get Hood from Rookie Missions?

[blissful hamlet]

penny and hood use different type of bulin to mlb

[vernal osprey]

Is this team good for farming exp? Top is Escort, bottom is flagship, just wanted to make the ships on top to 125, farming 12-4

[blissful hamlet]

what exp are you farming? drake? commander exp?

[vernal osprey]

Yes, ship exp

[blissful hamlet]

as long as they aren't dying

[vernal osprey]

How fast does mood gets drained?

[blissful hamlet]

2 morale per fight, 10 if the ship is dead

2x if use high efficiency

[still gate]

I do understand this. I mean should I spend universal bulins on Pennsylvania whom I will probably stop using once I get Hood

[blissful hamlet]

what's your other ships

[still gate]

I only have drop ships

[blissful hamlet]

I need to know your other backline ships, but then it probably still worth to mlb penny since she can offlag after you get hood

[still gate]

I generally use Unicorn and Enterprise

[blissful hamlet]

yeah penny is still worth mlb, soon you'll use 2 fleet

[cloud fractal]

My back line keeps getting their butt kicked by suicide boats.

[blissful hamlet]

bring more BB

[cloud fractal]

I’m making it through the mission, but it’s like 🐶 💩

[still gate]

OK. Another question is where to get German ships? To start developing roon I need 7 and I have 4... I just finished world 6

[cloud fractal]

It’s my Penny that’s getting her butt kicked. Penny Shangri and Uni

[blissful hamlet]

guild shop and war archive

[blissful hamlet]

replace sangri with other BB

[cloud fractal]

Okay.

[vernal osprey]

Does 2x efficiency also doubles ship exp?

One last question, does no ammo decrease morale faster?

Or only damage effected?

[grand solar]

Okay so I was looking over equipment for Prinz Heinrich and Prinz Adalbert and both listed the triple 283mm SK C/28 over the Prototype Twin 234mm MG. Is the 283mm really the right gun for them? I know I hace slightly better but this seems off to me.

[cloud fractal]

Do we full clear every stage, or during like sub w10 do we just clear as much as we need to get 3 stars and move on?

[opal stream]

clear and 3*

[graceful meteor]

do enough for 3* then move on

[cloud fractal]

Okay. Thank you!

[unkempt mortar]

am i crazy if i use kear at dev 11

[steady beacon]

C/28 is kinda situational for environments where you want the arcing fire to get over shields... in other situations, standard CA guns are fine

[opal stream]

c/28 is better than ca gun

c/28 is basically agir gun but purple

[unkempt mortar]

anyone

[steady beacon]

If you're just levelling her it's fine (I started levelling her ~Dev 13)
Using her seriously, yes... she really can only reach her full potential at Dev 30, but if you're willing to sacrifice some damage to keep her good buffs... it's not beyond the pale at Dev 25+

[steady beacon]

Damn, you're the first person I've ever heard this from...
Was I lied to this whole time???

[unkempt mortar]

im using her with lvl 103

[grand solar]

So the prototype 234mm is better for most situations you run into? I mean the Siren boss in OpSi could have used something like that to get around the stupid remote thing it deploys that is a damage sponge.

[opal stream]

ca gun can miss

[grand solar]

Well any gun can miss.

[opal stream]

cb gun fire at enemy location with little travel time
they are even more accurate than 0 spread dd gun

[unkempt mortar]

unless you have aimbot

[steady beacon]

Level 103... for what...?

[unkempt mortar]

to level her up even more

[grand solar]

Aimbot?

[steady beacon]

OK, if you're just levelling her, go for it
Since you don't need her good just to level her

Definitely don't bring her e.g. against an Arbiter or something at Dev 11 though

[unkempt mortar]

will she explode if i do

[steady beacon]

Maybe against Hermit
Other two don't really do significant damage to backline
Problem is she's gonna deadweight your fleet

Like, if this was my current YIIIK setup, if Kear was still Dev 11 I'd just ditch her for Enty at that point...

[opal stream]

avrora still die early with defensive gear

maybe FE strat will work

[grand solar]

Can you explain what you mean by aimbot?

[unkempt mortar]

it was a joke

[steady beacon]

Seriously?

Even in the original fleet, she only usually died 20s left-ish

[opal stream]

testing new stuff

[sinful void]

i’m too lazy to defeat all enemies i j wanted to auto sortie as soon as possible lol

[steady beacon]

Today was my auto rest day
Conclusion: Noshi Muse is vastly better than Tanikaze for modern (manual) torp memes
Which, of course, anyone could have told you from one glance at her but a confirmation test is still nice...

[dusk maple]

do the other 2 sink as well after avrora?

[opal stream]

no
but avrora need to survive for the slow

[dusk maple]

Hmmm 🤔

[steady beacon]

How early is early
The reason 20s is fine (for me, at least) is bc they get no more torps after that so as long as they don't drop I don't care about the speed anymore

[opal stream]

you still firing guns

[steady beacon]

Meh, I'm not going to quibble over the last 10s
I've never had a situation where that was going to make the slightest difference
At that point, either she is well in range for Musashi + Shinano to finish the game, or there isn't a chance in hell

[steep merlin]

Guys is it better for me to farm the last story stages I unlocked or the event stages?

[mint flint]

whats your last campaign stage unlocked?

[steep merlin]

9-4

[vale spindle]

event cause event shop good

[steep merlin]

Okay I see

[cloud fractal]

What is the optimal farming stage for the event to get the 60 clears and maximize oil:tokens?

[inland shoal]

I'd just run SP5

[rapid moth]

SP5

[cloud fractal]

Do you run it on auto? Or are y’all manually clearing the whole stage? I’m on the weaker side so I clear it, but it can be a little touch and go there. Lmao

[rapid moth]

Auto. Its a fairly easy stage and has oilcap

[prime kraken]

Where should i put drake? Or just nope

[inland shoal]

If you want to you can replace Azuma ig, but not much of an improvement

[steep merlin]

Do the event stages only drop prinz eugen mi as golden ship?

[inland shoal]

Yes as is usual for events

[steep merlin]

Should I lb her then? Does she give tech?

[steady beacon]

Eugen Muse does not give tech, alas
No muse ship does

[steep merlin]

Ill just retire her then

[meager plaza]

Hi all

[glad wraith]

Hello! I haven't played in like 4 or 5 years just returning. Is HMS still worth investing in? I have a bunch of cubes stockpiled.

[opal stream]

faction fleet are never worth investing in

[inland shoal]

There is some good HMS ships...
Doesn't have anything to do with cubes though which I'd save for the (probably) upcoming UR in a few weeks

[steep merlin]

If I get A grade instead of S in a hard stage does it drop me less rare blueprints?

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[steady beacon]

Uhhh... iirc it compromises the guaranteed ship drop at the very least (in the boss node)...

[atomic abyss]

It compromises every type of drop in general

[steady beacon]

[glad wraith]

all my level 100 Royal Navy ships 😦

[atomic abyss]

The most obvious being yes, the guaranteed ship drop on boss nodes

I mean it's not like you can't use them

[steep merlin]

I guess thats why its taking so much to drop gold blueprints for unicorn...

[atomic abyss]

It's just not worth limiting yourself to faction based fleets

Even for those with faction based skills, it's more than enough to just put in just the minimum required to proc the skill

So maybe say 3 or 4
And the rest can be something else

[glad wraith]

So what's an ideal team for someone who's getting back into the game.

[atomic abyss]

Well it depends on what state of the game you're at/what ships you have

[glad wraith]

last thing I remember was farming 3-4 lol

[atomic abyss]

And you definitely don't want to continue doing so

The typical recommendation for a new player would be Pennsylvania (or a better BB)+ Unicorn retro + another ship
Portland retro, starter, Helena

[glad wraith]

Can I shoot you a pm of what I have and maybe you can help me build something?

[atomic abyss]

So what's an ideal team for someone who's getting back into the game.

[sharp token]

what should i prioritize in gear lab? i haven't build atleast one yet

[steady beacon]

/gearlab

[atomic abyss]

[steady beacon]

Ehhhh... is that wrong...

[atomic abyss]

No that should be right...

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

[inland shoal]

Nimi doesn't like you

[steady beacon]

That's why Laffey's best girl

[sharp token]

i can build this now, should i save it or just do it now?

[atomic abyss]

No

You can get those from Ironblood boxes anyways

Prioritise the stuff in red

[steep merlin]

Now that I have hood should I use her or nelson retrofit? They both mlb

[steady beacon]

Honestly, I'd use whichever you like more
And whenever you get to putting a second fleet together, the other can go into that fleet

[steep merlin]

Okay then I need help building a second fleet, I just cleared 9-4

[steady beacon]

Sure, start a thread and we can help

[elfin hollow]

Is this a good gun for 🖊️ny?

[plain saffron]

406mm mk6 first, then that one

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm, I'd argue two schools of thought here
On the one hand, bc Penny's barrage is timed, you don't care for a fast gun on her so the Mk 6 is better in principle
On the other, if your battle time is such that Penny either doesn't get to fire or you get off two rounds of the Twin 410 vs one round of the Mk 6, then you could argue the Twin 410 is better in practical terms...

[plain saffron]

if you finish before 2 rounds it's prob too easy to really matter i think

[versed elk]

some equipment is actually better than it seems, especially barrage guns

[undone plover]

u can just use this in mob and not think much else. staggers better probably especially with no radar early on

[steady beacon]

True, indeed

[versed elk]

without context, its hard to say which is better especially considering other ships gearing in ur fleet, all ill say regarding this situation

[plain saffron]

when in doubt, go mk6

[versed elk]

i know some people like to default to certain gear but it fucks up your timings

[atomic abyss]

[steady beacon]

Instructions unclear, I had my doubts about my equipment for RodM, so I used Mk6 for all and activated Dimensional Transcendence

[atomic abyss]

I'd lean to the 410 in this case

So it doesn't line up with her barrage

[versed elk]

gearing is always dependent on your other ships in the fleet and their gear. campaign is all about damage uptime

[elfin hollow]

Damage.. uptime?

[versed elk]

yea like if u have a gun that launches at 16s, a gun that launch at 20s, and an airstrike at 23-24s u covered for the whole 10 second period

[elfin hollow]

I think I still have the thread.

[versed elk]

so new wave can spawn and u don’t waste the main fleet salvo

nowadays the game is trending more and more towards main fleet being the high end carry

[steady beacon]

Basic idea is that you want your damage to come out continuously, rather than all at a single set time, so there's no wasted time/shots

brah highlighted one example of that
Issue is if your main fleet goes silent for 15 seconds every interval, then you are probably going to take a fair bit of damage
Then your main fleet all fires off in the remaining 5 secs, badly overkills the wave, and a lot of ordnance goes to waste

[elfin hollow]

Well, I’m debating to equip it on her because I heard it’s good with Hood, and they all come from the same class (I think), but the Triple 406 is decent, I just find the firing rate a bit too slow, especially at times when I really need it, like mid-match (this usually is against AA battles cause I found the opponents are tougher and I’m constantly getting my front fleet hurt due to lack of AA, I believe.)

[steady beacon]

Twin 410 is good on Hood precisely because Hood has her barrage proc on fire
So fast gun = faster procs

At risk of using controversial terms, this is basically the distinction between "barrage" and "shelling" type guns

(Or, at the very least, how it is constructed by e.g. the ENTL... I do fully understand why the distinction should not be taken too rigidly, though)

[elfin hollow]

That makes sense, I suppose I’ll stick with the first one until I get enough medals and sweep my way through levels with Hood.

[cloud fractal]

Because I’m focusing on 1 fleet right now, my dang tank is like 18 mood right now. Was all the way down at 2. Put her in the dorm, but damn I have to wait for her to heal up.

[whole crypt]

so how are we looking for Moshiro vs Avrora vs Jintsuu M

[steady beacon]

Physical accuracy is definitely good, I'll say that much
Like I said, we need an anti-Beaver tag
I wasted most of my attempts today chasing damage records with Shima, though, so I didn't test as diligently as I should have

[whole crypt]

why shima

[steady beacon]

Because I believe in manual
And because I believe in my dear rabbit

Also, Unzen Mk IX is too slow to keep in Noshi's window without something like Nagato in the main fleet
I'll try Unzen later when I've maxed my CA RLD, to give myself the best possible chance for that

[whole crypt]

well manual gaming is manual gaming

if 🕹️ you can probably get away with facetorping on rainbow610

[sharp token]

what cv aux gear for timing?

[whole crypt]

depends on what timing you need
aux may not be enough to fix and you could need to change planes

[steady beacon]

Yea, I'm contemplating that
I have a feeling that 450, maybe 500k is the hard ceiling for Mk IX with Shima, at least
If I want that extra 75k, I'm gonna have to improve my face torp ability

[steep merlin]

Guys cannot figure out what secondary gun to give to hood and nelson (and my vanguard too)

[sharp token]

i want to timing krons crossfleet skill what planes should i use?

[steep merlin]

I looked at the guide but im very confused lol

[steady beacon]

Note Hood can only carry DD guns
Uhhhh... probably the Twin 120mm for Hood
Twin 152mm next to it for Nelson

[whole crypt]

why the heck would you want to time airstrike to kronshtadt's cross fleet

[steep merlin]

Oh ty

[whole crypt]

I'd just use tabasco even for Nelson

[steady beacon]

I guess... Kron + Soyuz together is like what? 0.6x0.6 =0.36, so 64% slow
But what are you doing with CVs without their own slow/stop support 👀

[whole crypt]

yeh but Kronshtadt crossfleet only procs once, why would it matter for a slow that only works once

[steady beacon]

Yep, that's fair, I just didn't want to use it in case needed for vanguards

[versed elk]

if ur manualing why would u need an anti beaver tag? @steady beacon

just move less

[steep merlin]

Wich one is tabasco?

[steady beacon]

Not for manual
But I and others have been playing with auto torp memes setups too and fast vanguard really shoots your physical accuracy in the foot

[versed elk]

then just dont use shima

[steady beacon]

If I'm manualling, I go for ultra fast vanguards anyway bc I need that speed to manual

[steady beacon]

Auto setup was NoshiMuse/JintM/Unzen

[whole crypt]

even Unzen is too fast, we're at the point we want to keep Avrora alive to get less movement RNG, that's how cope movement is

[steady beacon]

Switched one of the CLs to Avrora bc Avrora is so slow she helps immensely

[versed elk]

i mean that makes sense

[steady beacon]

In exchange, her damage is crap, and I'm not convinced her buff AND HER is necessarily stronger in totality than what is offered betwen Noshi and JintM

[versed elk]

if ur using uss mags u cannot have ur ships move that much

[steep merlin]

Ty

[whole crypt]

actually, Avrora's buff also scales Unzen's gun which is not insignificant, and the damage % should add to more than Jintsuu's TRP buff

[steady beacon]

Ye I know
Oh hold a sec, I see what's causing confusion, I phrased that poorly

[whole crypt]

I'm leaning towards Avrora/Moshiro at the moment, Jintsuu's main advantage is probably giving you one more set of torps when she gets dropped

[steady beacon]

Issue I found, when I did calculations into effective damage is just that... when you take it all together, Avrora's buff doesn't compensate enough for her own utterly abysmal damage (esp when Noshi/JintM can do like 130-170k themselves)
But in practice, when you look at how many torps get whiffed, the analysis becomes agonisingly more complicated...

[whole crypt]

as pili said this gun also has higher priority for vangaurds, if you have any CLs you're running, so there's that

[steep merlin]

Only portland and helena for now

[steady beacon]

This is where one wishes for infinite attempts to run enough tests to seriously do statistics lol

[whole crypt]

yeh Helena would want that gun

[versed elk]

why ru guys using musashi

[steep merlin]

Nope sorry only helena

[whole crypt]

Moshiro's self damage is actually significantly less impressive than Jintsuu

[steady beacon]

I'm double oxytorping and YOLO'ing so maybe that's why

[whole crypt]

what's wrong with Musashi

[versed elk]

nothing im just asking

[atomic abyss]

I mean
It's easy to forget that even regular Jintsuu used to be top of dps charts

[versed elk]

top of dps chart in 2019 maybe lul

[atomic abyss]

And JintsuuM is already better

Well ultimately Mushiro is just there to buff anyways

[whole crypt]

Jintsuu's damage was all torps even back in the day, topping the chart with non-regular torp spikes isn't exactly my idea of top of dps charts

[steady beacon]

A couple of reasons
I've tried to replace her with CV but I genuinely cannot find one that fits the timing effectively (whether because she will lose stuff to movement or because they cannot fit the fourth airstrike)
Secondly, with purple gun/autoloader, Musashi keeps her debuff uptime at around ~50% of the fight after rotation 1, plus her lightning barrage is unquestionably the best BB barrage we have against heavy rn
And finally, 3 IJN for Shinano, at least in the old comp where vang was JintM/Avrora/Unzen

[steep merlin]

Also when is a ship AA considered low? Saw it from the guide too

[versed elk]

purple gun pausechamp

[steady beacon]

We're gonna lose most of her shelling against RodM anyway lol, so... worthy tradeoff imo

[atomic abyss]

Low would be like sub 130% efficiency and less than 300 AA stat

[steep merlin]

Got it

[versed elk]

i mean i think its ok, i dont really have a stake in this since i got my no helena 1 shot already

[whole crypt]

we have low AA, and then we have dogshit AA, doesn't really matter until at least ch12

[versed elk]

surprisingly laffey 2 quite good

[whole crypt]

no Helena 1shots are still RNG, just a different RNG than Helena procs

[versed elk]

thanks for telling me bro, i didnt know that

[steep merlin]

So hood has low AA right?

[whole crypt]

I'd like to think the point of this exercise is finding a less RNG comp

[steep merlin]

Trying to choose AA for nelson and hood now

[versed elk]

like i said i dont have a stake in it. im asking out of curiosity

[steady beacon]

Watch CN anni UR be the key to making it 100%, but only a few people will get to see it bc of the time it takes to train up

[atomic abyss]

Most if not all BB/C have low AA
However they usually want a specific AA gun

[versed elk]

definitely not all

[whole crypt]

you'll probably be fine throwing any purple AA gun on them, planes don't really hurt until 12

I doubt you have the recommended AA guns at this point anyway

[versed elk]

vanguard and nj can aa carry

[atomic abyss]

New players experiencing 3-4 under levelled may have other thoughts about that

[steep merlin]

I have some golds too

[whole crypt]

depends on which golds you have, some are 🚮

[steep merlin]

Am currently at 9-4

[whole crypt]

that's a level issue though

[atomic abyss]

Well almost any gold AA is better than purple ones tbh

[steady beacon]

Actually @whole crypt , were you using the Naga fleet before
How was your kill rate with that, approximately? Around 50%?

[whole crypt]

more importantly by CN anniversary you're looking at folks who've already 70k'd if they care

[whole crypt]

I didn't exactly count but I'd say around 30%, Helena 🎲 is still 🎲

[atomic abyss]

Now back to my translation work

[whole crypt]

I tried another non-Helena torp-oriented comp with it as well, still 🎲

[steady beacon]

For better or worse, I'm one of those people
Idc for the points, but playing interesting bosses and coming up with alternative strategies (and occasionally with meme comps) is one of the things that keep me in the game

[steady beacon]

Oof... that's rough

[whole crypt]

left gold is okay, mid gold is good, right gold is meh

[versed elk]

meh just open more tech boxes

gear is slow coming at the start

took me few months to get gear on amagi, and people here know how well developed that smurf acc is rn

[whole crypt]

like just throw any AA gun on them so they don't have an empty AA slot, if you're not sure use this for now

[steep merlin]

I also have octople pom pom gun

[whole crypt]

short range not recommended

[steady beacon]

I swear I remember a convo about this happening some time back

[versed elk]

what? the aa gun?

[steady beacon]

Yeh the Pom-Pom
Something about its DPS technically being competitive, but just utterly let down by that hilariously bad range

[frank pulsar]

its dps is good yea, but the range is actual shit so like

[versed elk]

i mean the range is just shit, legit shrinks your circle so much to the point that often u dont get off 2nd salvo

u can observe it through normally playing the game, so its really that bad

[whole crypt]

there legit were guides that tell you octopom is good if you manual

[versed elk]

because it actly is

[whole crypt]

except game isn't only about getting planes into AA circle

[steady beacon]

These days I just slap L/60s onto everyone and call it a day lol

[whole crypt]

yeh, rainbow AA is just mount and forget

[steady beacon]

As long as the planes go down before they reveal my CVs I'd rather wrack my brain optimising other stuff

[versed elk]

i have a few +13 sex and +13 quads

[whole crypt]

quad bofors is dead

[versed elk]

its good in 1 instance imo

[whole crypt]

whatever quad bofors is good for twin90 does better

[steady beacon]

Nah, I know... what brah means...

[versed elk]

those who know know i guess

[steady beacon]

*Probably 👀
In before hilariously wrong

[whole crypt]

was there like one ship somewhere with a skill that needs you to use a quad bofors

[versed elk]

i think you do i said it before

[steady beacon]

Gonna get roasted but the AA gun I have the most +13s for... is the STAAG
Because... I apparently care more for Siren Killer than good AA guns or something

[whole crypt]

I have a strange assortment of +13 rainbow, STAAG, 134, sextuples and roombas

[atomic abyss]

How much more hit do you even get from +13-ing a staag

[whole crypt]

0

[atomic abyss]

So essentially it's just higher rof?

[whole crypt]

also no

[inner delta]

dmg

[inland shoal]

+13 never changes rof from +10

[whole crypt]

it's just higher AA dmg and siren killer

[atomic abyss]

What AA damage are STAAGs gonna provide

[inland shoal]

0

It's just 3% Siren Killer pretty much

[atomic abyss]

Yeah siren killer seems to be the only bit lmao

[whole crypt]

I won't say it's 0 AA damage but it definitely is not a significant increase across your whole AA circle

[steady beacon]

I know, hence why I deserve to be roasted
But when you're trying to get your BBs to bloody inch out a one-fleet kill of an Arbiter, you'll take anything

Basically, it's a problem with the things I try to achieve in this game

[atomic abyss]

That's fair

Says the person with 0 +13 gear

[main latch]

is getting level 125 ships mandatory or can you do fine later on with level 120 ships

[atomic abyss]

You will need lv 125 ships if you want to push w14/15

[whole crypt]

120 is fine up to 13, 125 makes it easier
14+ will be harsh without 125
125 also helps trivialize late OS more

[main latch]

ah okay thanks

[atomic abyss]

In other words
It really depends on what you want to do with the game

[steady beacon]

It's probably theoretically possible to 120 W14+ with the very best ships and equipment (maybe there's some evidence, I've just never seen it, at least)... but it is definitely shooting yourself in the foot with regards to ramping the difficulty

[whole crypt]

14 is probably fine if you roll right, I can't say the same for 15

[steady beacon]

[whole crypt]

we cleared 14 without full 125 fleets and ship/gear has gotten better since

[atomic abyss]

With that said
I'm unsure if it's safe to say if w15 cannot be cleared without 125

I would imagine it's a lot more doable than trying to 1 fleet w15...

[versed elk]

i think u can clear 14 with full 120

[whole crypt]

you very likely can

[atomic abyss]

I'd definitely say w14 is doable without 125

[steady beacon]

This is why we need toggleable difficulty modes tbh...
I'd be at least interested in testing this, just for sheer interest...

[cobalt rapids]

u can clear w14 with 120 faction fleets

[main latch]

1 more question how much EXP do you need bottled up to get 125

[atomic abyss]

I would have loved to try this
Except my unicorn is already 125 kekw

[main latch]

i want Carl to be my first

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Experience

[steady beacon]

Could you share vid or something
I really want to see

[main latch]

Thank you.

[atomic abyss]

Howe is one helluva drug huh

[versed elk]

havent heard that name in years

[cobalt rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7vHSDQjTXQ

[atomic abyss]

I mean I genuinely have to ask

[steady beacon]

Bless

[atomic abyss]

Why/how is Howe still tiered at T0 anyways

[versed elk]

ectl is slow

they lost another eval recrntly

[whole crypt]

what eval

tierlists are pretty much useless for this game anyway

[atomic abyss]

I mean every damn tierlist this game gets tries to reinvent the wheel

[steady beacon]

Holy shit, I didn't realise you could click a ship's face in the world to check her gear... thought you had to go into battle first...

[plain saffron]

you could pretty much hold on face/sprite everywhere

[steady beacon]

Granted, this is less impactful than that truly amazing realisation you could click and hold ships in the PvP screen
But still neat

[plain saffron]

did you know you can hold your secretary

i did it thrice per day

[versed elk]

took u awhile to realise

[versed elk]

cia quit the game

[whole crypt]

no idea who that is

[cursive creek]

Should I just use my Guild coins to get dups of Unicorn and Portland or are there other characters to get besides Pennsylvania and Helena?

[plain saffron]

yeah a good idea imo

[cursive creek]

Me right?

[main latch]

What should i pick up.

[plain saffron]

yes, but make sure you still have someleft to buy the usual stuff

[cursive creek]

Ty

[whole crypt]

you'll want to be in an active guild to earn those guild coins and keep buying stuff though

[plain saffron]

check the pins

[silver lintel]

How do i get the base aa gun to craft the ur aa gun

[cobalt rapids]

open iris tech boxes

[steady beacon]

Um
Iris Orthodoxy blue tech boxes

Or, if you happen to have copies of the bucket gun for any reason...

[keen sable]

Iris box or research s2

[steady beacon]

(although if you're asking that question, probably not...)
Research S2

[keen sable]

Either way don't choose the research method

[atomic abyss]

The... Twin 37 right?

[steady beacon]

Ngl, watching stig's runs and taken together with all the RodM auto cooking, I appreciate anew just how incredibly impactful manoeuvre is in this game...

[atomic abyss]

This thing presumably
I don't think there's any other rainbow AA right

[steady beacon]

Yep, that's the one

[atomic abyss]

Yeah I have 3 of those...

[silver lintel]

I had to buy iris box with medal lul

[steady beacon]

I had quite a few of those from PR2 research ages ago, but obviously nobody still does PR2 research, so you have to go all the way up from Iris blue boxes for the L/60

[silver lintel]

Me leaving the game right b4 s2💀

[steady beacon]

Iirc it's currently the only guaranteed source of Iris boxes
You can luck some in the merchant every so often

[silver lintel]

How many ur aa do i need? 4?

[plain saffron]

are the one needed in gearlab comes with any ship?

[steady beacon]

Ummmm
As far as I know, no, Nagami
The base AA guns were all "invented" for Gear Lab when L/60 was introduced

[plain saffron]

i see

[whole crypt]

you can buy bucket prints with proto core if you have spare, better than doing PR2 itself

[steady beacon]

(Apart from the bucket)

[turbid dawn]

How do you 1 shot the current meta boss? I still can't get it done even with all 3 scans

[steady beacon]

Good news, you're not the only one lol

[atomic abyss]

The answer is... It's dreadfully inconsistent

And so far the solution seems to be yeeting Nagato entirely

[whole crypt]

that looks like a lot of whiffing if you had 3 procs

yeeting Nagato doesn't help if you're referring to the torp comps, movement RNG is its own problem

[steady beacon]

I really want to waterboard the CN people who say the final ideal Nagato fleet has 75% kill rate to get the real number out of them...
Because everything I've seen so far convinces me that there's no way that's possible...

[whole crypt]

even just needing 2/4 procs is already not 75%

[turbid dawn]

I was trying a comp like this before, and it can consistently get 900k per fight but still can't 1 shot

[keen sable]

900k sounds worse than 1m

[turbid dawn]

Yeah but the 1m is only when you get lucky with scans

[inland shoal]

It's pretty close tbh but yeah

[steady beacon]

If you just want one auto one-shot for the achievement, just keep going with that current fleet, eventually RNG will probably go your way
If you want a consistent one-shot, you have no choice but to manual
At least until we get the secret weapon in CN anni, way too late

[whole crypt]

it also depends on which 2 though, 4th proc usually doesn't do much compared to first 3

[steady beacon]

The other problem, incidentally, is it matters which intervals she procs
Some intervals being more impactful than others
Like 4th interval? Have fun having that one making sufficient difference, if it's 2/4

[whole crypt]

yes

[steady beacon]

Lmao... sniped

[whole crypt]

4th proc can matter if you milked the first one

[jaunty vault]

skill issue

[steady beacon]

Hopefully next META will be KirM redux, where you can do it in your sleep
But, really, it'll be even worse I bet

[whole crypt]

I'm fine with consistent 2 shots

[inland shoal]

I think it's more fun if it's difficult to pull off than just being a snoozefest

[late flame]

its actually good that Modney fight;s difficult so i get to slack off after 25k and get the rest when she returns as dossier

[keen sable]

I just want to assist people with one shots

[steady beacon]

Every so often, I want an off season
Jokes aside, you are right
Although I'd probably have appreciated a gimmick that didn't cost me hours in front of the traneptora calc
Only to find out it was wrong

Make a better reload calculator, onegaishimasu and arigatou, Thorin

[whole crypt]

the problem with difficult METAs is casuals don't really add much for assists

and you have mid players getting frustrated that they don't get assists or the assists do squat

[turbid dawn]

That is ture, I've noticed a lot less support for this meta then the last one, and the ones that do only do 100-300k if ur lucky

[late flame]

tbh i used to just do 15mins/200 oils

[plain saffron]

wtf hacker\

[eternal basalt]

That' what people get downvoting my support improvements 2 years ago

[steady beacon]

What support improvements?

[stoic jasper]

[plain saffron]

the problem with that is people will run out of people to support

[whole crypt]

there are plenty of top players who'll be willing to assist with no point rewards just to test shit

[plain saffron]

bcs 90% is casuals imagine first few days of META but everyday

[whole crypt]

but we're stuck with 3 attempts regardless, while lower players are stuck with people who can't actually help their fights, or get no assists at all

[plain saffron]

wait which improvement is this

[whole crypt]

there are a couple we'd want, but

[late flame]

heck i wouldnt mind unlimited assists (at nothing gained after 3rd try) just to test stuff yeah

[steady beacon]

Yes, yes there are

[inland shoal]

🏃‍♂️

[steady beacon]

It's also why I want unlimited dossier META runs after 70k
Idc for the points/rewards/whatever, I just want my testing grounds

[plain saffron]

they prob think it would be too confusing for most players

[steady beacon]

Ye, prob
I still try valiantly every time they put a survey out though

[plain saffron]

"i did minigame 7 times day one why don't i get all the rewards"

[eternal basalt]

People confuse the 3 tries for themselves still already

[knotty anvil]

Hey question you guys got any up to date website or list that has each ship in its used + equipment (like Laffey 2 as your main dd with her best equipment, enterprise for bossing while xx is for mobbing, warspite is tier x while gascogne is tier y) type?

Just so it's easier to look up what to look for in each ship without asking everytime

[plain saffron]

hmm not really, since the equip depends on enemy, even different boss use different gear

[inland shoal]

If you want my reload calc you can help me with data collection btw @steady beacon

[plain saffron]

easier to learn equip instead, then you can use that knowledge to (almost) every ship

[steady beacon]

... We're probably still technically stuck with ENTL for the best approximation of that...
but yes, I'd prefer to take Nagami's viewpoint

[steady beacon]

Does it require me to be able to read the falling lines of code?
If not, I'm happy to help with it

[knotty anvil]

Oh like what each one does, cause I'm looking at the gear lab on what to put on my Gascoigne and retrofitted Laffey tbh since my problem are mainly the gears for them

The only thing I do get ish is your bb should mainly build a lot of dmg but other than that not much clue

[steady beacon]

Granted, I'd be willing to learn to read the code too, but I'm pretty sure that either ends with the person teaching me dying of apoplexy or me dying of murder

[plain saffron]

/equip sam's one a pretty good place to start learn about equips, it have description on the gear what it's used for etc

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[knotty anvil]

A question actually about the gear lab is it always true where the more on the right it is the better it is for them or is that dependant as well like the purple can be better than gold or some gold are a downgrade?

[steady beacon]

Probably to get a broad overview of the generally good equipment in this game, a goodstart would be Sam's guide here: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

Oh smh, sniped again...

[knotty anvil]

Hmm thanks

[plain saffron]

no it's not true

there's still worse/useless upgrades

[knotty anvil]

I see so some can be a downgrade

[plain saffron]

[soft raft]

And some are simply just not worth the price

[knotty anvil]

Like it's a mild improvement but the cost is extreme like it's 1% dps increase but 50% more Costly?

[steady beacon]

The key thing, at least early on, is that of opportunity cost
Plunging a ton of resources into a marginal improvement when other options exist is... wasteful, to say the least
Ofc if you just have an unending glut of resources, feel free to chase that 5% improvement for a ridiculous price

(Or, at least, that's what every set of 120 plates invested in a +13 STAAG were supposed to mean, and it's even less than 5% )

[forest palm]

the biggest example I can think of is the French Twin 203 into the French Triple 203 CA Gun

could look at it as a way to get plates back, but it is an example of a downgrade

[late flame]

https://imgur.com/a/YoxqS7A
honorable mention : confetti gun

[forest palm]

is the T3S in gear lab, I've all but forgotten at this point

[inland shoal]

I think so

[steady beacon]

Ye it is, gold "upgrade" of the Twin 410 base
Branch above the Twin 410 Kai, beckoning newbies to their doom

[forest palm]

3YT, and the Kai kind of get pushed to the wayside after a while

[plain saffron]

i just noticed this event give useful stuff above 50k unlike older events, is it worth going for rainbow skill book

[forest palm]

chalk that up to barrage guns being obsolete

[sweet merlin]

what to buty with prototype core? i also need bps for kesarg/ hidenburg if that changes the pirority

[plain saffron]

buying ship bp is 🚮 so

[forest palm]

I think that depends on the individual's own personal value

[steady beacon]

I am, but only bc I normally get that many points anyway

[forest palm]

P Core to Print value is awful, and not recommended

[steady beacon]

Well, once in a lifetime, that Twin 410 Kai I took to +11 seems worth it tbf
Also used it in PvP for a fair time before learning the Twin 356 Kai improvement

[plain saffron]

also wtf minigame is S able with spamming

[forest palm]

ya...

[atomic abyss]

twin 356
Is that like the super rof gun

[inland shoal]

Yes as I keep saying
It's cuz combo is such a huge part of the score

[forest palm]

I haven't used 3YT in years, and I've only really used the Kai like a handful of times in Musashi's existence, I quit the PvP sweat game back in 2019

[cursive creek]

Is she any good?

[forest palm]

post retro she alright

[plain saffron]

so combo being overweighted as usual

[cursive creek]

So useless in early game?

[versed elk]

mikasa gun better lol

[forest palm]

she'll probably work for majority of the game, but there's always better options

[steady beacon]

Two reasons:
(1) In PvP, where your shells are probably just going to miss the vanguard, her barrage is everything
(2) You want to try to force Musashi in front so nobody jams her
Or, at least, those are the two reasons I came around to it myself

[atomic abyss]

I'd argue that by the time you reach mid game, she's still gonna lack use so

[versed elk]

the better the rof the btr musashi is

[unborn owl]

where does ssr ship drop??

[plain saffron]

SP5

[atomic abyss]

And USP I guess

[plain saffron]

or you mean in main campaign?

[unborn owl]

already reach almost 60k point. and still don't get her

[plain saffron]

rng

[cursive creek]

[atomic abyss]

I've seen people get Mugen before even 100%-ing the map...

[unborn owl]

mugen?

[silver lintel]

Eugen muse

[atomic abyss]

Muse Eugen -> mugen

[versed elk]

just say eugen muse

[unborn owl]

i don't

[marble arrow]

am i doing the formation right?

[plain saffron]

yes, prob change nimi and helena idk

[versed elk]

bro is confusing everyone with the naming

[late flame]

somehow mugen conjures a totally different image for me lol.. like street fighter mash up kind of mugen

[unborn owl]

i thought mugen is a name of honda tuned parts

[versed elk]

mugen is a character from samurai champloo iirc, just confusing all around since its so well known

[atomic abyss]

Mugen translates to infinite lol

[marble arrow]

does equipments matter as early as where i am now?

[versed elk]

and a rather popular name of course

[atomic abyss]

You only start really worrying about gears around w9

[steady beacon]

I'll try it one day
I know I have it somewhere, but laziness gets me

[plain saffron]

anything works but try to not use literal shit gear if possible

[atomic abyss]

In other words, at least equip stuff besides the default

[marble arrow]

so my priority is enhancing, leveling up, and limit break of the good ones?

[versed elk]

Only reason why the popular sentiment is 356 is because no one did serious testing and everyone parrots.

[atomic abyss]

...blue quad 356 I guess?

Or was it blue quad 381

It's blue rarity kgv gun iirc

[plain saffron]

prob biggest most barrel gun

how i'm supposed to know how many times i need to do minigame left

[late flame]

uh keep going until reward get?

[atomic abyss]

It's a bit buggy tbh

[late flame]

yeah also wait for score to load before exiting

[plain saffron]

what the fuck

[late flame]

i found out the hard way that premature exiting didnt count as a completed run

[turbid dawn]

Is hardmode bugged atm? I just did 13-2 for DD retro BP and got given CV ones intead which is 13-4, no? I didn't SS the rewards because I thought I was being crazy. Or has it always been the case any can drop from any node?

[plain saffron]

unfortunately i won't trust people without proof

so i can't say anything

[viscid swift]

Without proof unfortunately we're gonna have to say you were crazy

[turbid dawn]

Well that's what I thought, when I saw the CV BPs I said to myself, oh I must've chose the wrong node but it was 100% the white bird twin they were fighting

I know some mobile games have it, is there a way to check recently recieved items?

[plain saffron]

why they fix core data shop order but all skins still in both shop

[steady beacon]

Know what your current and previous counts were and perform a subtraction
Jokes aside, Idt there's a "recently received" indicator unless it's an entirely new piece of equipment

[plain saffron]

wait no, it's only 4 skins left in both shop, why

[late flame]

intern kun dropped the ball

[steady beacon]

What do you personally do for testing... just taking a meta fleet whenever it comes and running against it a couple of times? Or have you a more efficient way?
Bc what always gets me whenever I'm interested in testing stuff is I can go multiple sets a day without even running into one semi-decent fleet, and even seemingly meta fleets often seem incorrectly geared or whatever...

[sweet merlin]

how can i improve my opsi fleet?

[atomic abyss]

Oh geezus

[steady beacon]

Prob turn it into a thread, for starters

[inland shoal]

Eµgen

[late flame]

thats actually decent lol

[steady beacon]

If you let me have my way, Noshiro Muse would be Noteshiro but that's already an emote

[eager mulch]

🎵oshiro

[viscid swift]

Just don't be lazy and write the full name

[inland shoal]

That's a quarter the fun and also Eugen muse isn't even the actual name
I just wish muse and meta started with different letters

[late flame]

devs knew what they were doing with meta.. certainly to troll meta chasers

[steady beacon]

We need to adopt funny Japanese nicknames like Waruku-chan tbh
Granted, they don't have nicknames for everyone so we're probably not going to get this to work anyway...

[inland shoal]

Wait, Chaser META?

[forest palm]

I'm sorry but Sandy's is just a no

[versed elk]

i fight one like 50 times and i tel people to run different setups when i roll them

[worldly pewter]

i m a granblue player so we have a cute character called mugen there too

[steady beacon]

OK, so I'm gonna need to get to know more peeps on Amagi
Lest I end up getting my ass turned into a meme for DM'ing randos over PvP

[versed elk]

i mean amagi has like 4 players with actual fleets and the ability to put them up

[haughty dust]

I just got this from a rainbow text box from doing a cruise reward. If I’m not mistaken, is this piece a decent piece of gear?

[forest palm]

it's not worth investing in, Quad Magnetic is better

[haughty dust]

Which one is that?

[steady beacon]

Same thing, but quadruple instead of quintuple (and T3 instead of T2)

[haughty dust]

I’ll have to try and figure that out because I don’t know which one you’re talking about offhand

Is there a place in game to see unowned gears since I’m not at my computer right now?

[inland shoal]

It looks literally the same, just with 4 tubes instead of 5

[viscid swift]

These

[inland shoal]

4 G7e = Quadruple, makes sense

[viscid swift]

Pretend those don't exist

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I've definitely at least once mistaken a gold quint for a gold quad, that's how damn similar they look...

[hollow gust]

i can count

[sweet merlin]

what is bz?

[late flame]

bismarck zwei

[silver lintel]

Who is the aa carry between guam and sandy

[midnight ocean]

Can we keep this girl after event end ?

[atomic abyss]

Only if you complete the necessary mission requirements

[midnight ocean]

She so cute

[atomic abyss]

Which is just....play the game basically

[atomic abyss]

Guam has AAGM+1 right? So it should be Guam

[midnight ocean]

If i miss this event, will she rerun ?

[atomic abyss]

Eventually
Might be a year or two though

It's pretty straightforward to get her tho tbh

[midnight ocean]

Will i have enough time if i start the event now ?

[plain saffron]

yes

[stark quiver]

yes

[midnight ocean]

Thank you so much guys

[atomic abyss]

Assuming you put in the effort to grind a little, yes

[midnight ocean]

ill try my best, damn imagine doing dailies quest/event for ~10 gacha games per day is horrible

[silver lintel]

How about play less gacha games then

[stark quiver]

maybe stick to one

[midnight ocean]

b-but there are a lot of cute girls in those games

[stark quiver]

[midnight ocean]

||and boobs||

[atomic abyss]

[novel condor]

[empty knot]

Is that shinano good ?

[stark quiver]

big shinano yes little shinano idk

[viscid swift]

little shinano no

[empty knot]

cause on my sakura fleet i play akagi, kaga et nagato so don't know where play shinano

[atomic abyss]

Nano Shinano is a lot better than what most new players will likely have...

[late flame]

ditch akaga lol

[atomic abyss]

1. Don't run faction fleets
2. There are much better carriers than Akagi and Kaga even for sakura

[viscid swift]

replace Akagi Kaga with Shinano Hakuryu, simple really

[empty knot]

Yeah but i love faction fleet so that's why ^^

[steady beacon]

Ngl, if you're playing IJN CV and don't know how to fit Shinano, you throw literally anyone else out

[empty knot]

okay so i have to search on Hakuryu

[viscid swift]

or if you're poor Shinano Taiho

[atomic abyss]

Augment Taihou yes

Carpet bombing ftw

[empty knot]

i think i have Taiho

[atomic abyss]

You'll still want to get Hakuryuu though yes

[empty knot]

Yeah but need time for full research Hakuryu so

[viscid swift]

should take no more than 3 months if done properly

[empty knot]

Maybe i will switch Akagi for Shinano

[atomic abyss]

You'll want to ditch both Akagi and Kaga

[steady beacon]

Part of me feels I should test aug Taihou at some point but I'd rather do crane memes
But in lieu of Haku she should be your best option, plus helps to meet Shina's IJN req

[atomic abyss]

Both carriers are weak enough together
Individually it's just why

[steady beacon]

AND you can use her to grind Haku exp too

[empty knot]

so i have to switch the 2 at the same time ?

[late flame]

in before akagi aug foreshadows retrofit *cope

[empty knot]

Yeah but i need tech point for research Hakuryu

[atomic abyss]

I mean
Akagi and Kaga are already weak enough even when together
Separate they're even worse

[empty knot]

that's why it's taking long time

[viscid swift]

considering we're nearing on 3 years since the last UR retro

[atomic abyss]

At that point, might as well use Akagi mu

Won't help you on the fleet tech admittedly

[empty knot]

Yeah so if i switch one i have to switch the second one

[steady beacon]

Yep

[empty knot]

okay so i have taihou

[late flame]

yes

[silk sphinx]

This for boss fight? If you’re just farming who cares

[empty knot]

i'm on chapter 11-4 actually

[steady beacon]

... Wait, this is just clearing?

[silk sphinx]

Sure akagi and Kaga do better together, but farming at a sufficiently high level can be done with trash ships

[empty knot]

yeah cause i'm not an endgame player

[silk sphinx]

Just farm with whomever you want

In this case any sakura empire ship for haku exp

[viscid swift]

get at least to 12-1 first though

[empty knot]

the tech point for faction, u need to lb ships ?

[atomic abyss]

Obtain, max limit break or level 120

[silk sphinx]

/fleettech

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: How do I get more fleet technology points?
You get fleet tech points by:

1. Collecting the ship (~20%)
2. Max Limit Breaking it (~45%)
3. Achieving level 120 (~35%)

-Higher rarity ships gives more fleet tech pts .
-Heavier ship hulls also gives more fleet tech pts: CV=BB>CA>CL>DD

Side notes:
-PR ships give more fleet tech pts than normal but follow the above formula with development 30 replacing MLB.
-META ships are considered a separate META faction. They give same bonuses as their non-META versions.
-Collab ships, Muse and little versions of ships e.g. Li'l Sandy, Clevelad and Lena etc do not give any fleet tech pts.
-Iron Blood faction ships receive double the normal tech points compared to other nations.

For more information and exact amounts, consult the wiki

[empty knot]

okay i understand

maybe i will switch akagi and kaga with shinano and Taihou

[silk sphinx]

If she’s mlb then yes shinano is a priority

[empty knot]

anf after that i will search for Hakuryu

Yeah full mlb and skill

[silk sphinx]

And yeah, try to get to w12. It ain’t hard

You can farm there for years, most do

[empty knot]

yeah i'm pushing for w12 right now

[worldly pewter]

started researching in march
now we are in may so 2 months still missing 223 prints

[viscid swift]

from dev 30 or FS5?

[worldly pewter]

dev 30

[haughty dust]

Hard Mode Help

I made this thread because I need some help with hard mode character formation and gear

[obtuse knoll]

how do I farm for submarine's exp? should I just feed them with exp book?

[viscid swift]

dorm, xp packs, using them

the usual methods, pick your poison

[obtuse knoll]

using them to farm cost lots of oil though

[viscid swift]

well you'll need to use them to farm affinity anyway

[plain saffron]

just like any other ship

[obtuse knoll]

I mean i'm farming 12-1 rn. Does turning on the submarine more efficient than just feeding them with exp book?

[viscid swift]

well xp packs aren't limitless

[plain saffron]

same answer as normal ship

[viscid swift]

like i said, pick which one you think is less of a drain on resources

[plain saffron]

if lazy just exp book, if not, go farm for it

but you still need the affinity

[viscid swift]

but you will need to do some farming with them to raise affinity anyway

[obtuse knoll]

mkay then thanks

[keen sable]

If you want to be efficient then you 0lb affinity farm and get all remaining xp from ops

[runic bolt]

who's the best for 1:1 event farming?

[viscid swift]

why would you want to 1-1 farm

SP5 has an oil cap and for the mob fleet it's 20 oil

[worldly pewter]

usually u clear the stages with 1:1 then when u reach sp5 u do it normally like in ch12 right

[undone plover]

even sp5 u can do with 2:1 or 1:1 before clearing mode since it has no oil cap till u clear it

[steady beacon]

Event stages, yes
Although generally I'm too lazy to go straight 1:1 unless it's an easy event like this one
Usually I'm 1:2 bc I also read the story and want to unlock all my scenes ASAP, and the fastest way to power through is with preloads, but I don't quite trust Shimakaze on her own

[left tiger]

Is the UR exchange one time thing or no?

[steady beacon]

One time per 400 points
After you exchange, it resets

[left tiger]

So i can go for another 400 for another UR?

[steady beacon]

Yep

[left tiger]

Alr8 thx

[drowsy flame]

i got Shinano after 24 pulls, is it lucky

[viscid swift]

yes but you just wasted 48 cubes in effect

[drowsy flame]

doesn't matter im new so cubes are abundant

[steady beacon]

... Uh... I should note the opposite is... arguably more true

[viscid swift]

AL literally doesn't frontload you with cubes and there will likely be a new UR event in 3 weeks for which you want to have 400 cubes stockpiled to be able hit pity if need be

[plain saffron]

AL is not like other game where they gives a lot of pull at start, and even if they do use on event banner instead

[viscid swift]

by AL standards, anything below 400 these days is basically broke and 400 is only just about safe
really you want more

[novel condor]

Me with my 450 coobs

[fluid brook]

Just see the amount of events we are getting

[plain saffron]

what's with it

[drowsy flame]

yes i did use all of my cubes on event banner and permanent banner, i didnt expect to pull shinano after 24 pulls

[fluid brook]

Too many, and remember SR Event doesnt have pity

Nubian is evil

[plain saffron]

1 big event per months and it's been like this since forever

[drowsy flame]

im pretty new to the game so i dont know whether my case is lucky or just normal

[plain saffron]

lucky ish

[tame orchid]

Keep the luck, youre gonna need it for the UR def

[drowsy flame]

yea im stockpiling my cubes

[tame orchid]

Good

[viscid swift]

it's lucky but ultimately irrelevant since those cubes shouldn't have been spent in the manner they were in the first place

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give this a read

[drowsy flame]

tysm

[keen sable]

Unlucky because you wasted resources on a useless ship you have no hope of making usable in the next few months

[drowsy flame]

idk man, she always the mvp and does like 10k dmg in boss stages

[plain saffron]

can't really compare ships at that stage, whoever high lvl will steal MVP

[keen sable]

That doesn't mean anything. ALL your ships could be bad

[plain saffron]

also take any good purple ship that's mlb and she'll be better than 0LB shinano

[eternal basalt]

Those were the 4 that were there pre- the one shot shop....

[drowsy flame]

hold on lemme take a screenshot of my formation

is this is even good or just a piece of garbage

[plain saffron]

honestly 🚮

[viscid swift]

bad, read the newbie tips and fix it

[drowsy flame]

thx atleast i know whether it is shitty or not

[keen sable]

Any backliner beating laffy or helena for mvp is already dubious

[elfin hollow]

When is the next UR event forecasted?

[ivory linden]

23 or 30th this month

[soft raft]

going off of the past two years, later this month

[elfin hollow]

Hmm, I was going to invest in NJ, but maybe hold off?

[soft raft]

yeah hold off for now

[atomic abyss]

definitely

[midnight ocean]

Are there any UR banners coming soon? And what do i do with dupe UR ship ?

[inland shoal]

Read up like 6 msgs and UR dupes are used for MLB or retire

[soft raft]

read up like 4 lines, and you use dupes to MLB, and if already MLB, scrap

[atomic abyss]

maybe they're coming, no official confirmation
use dupes to limit break

[midnight ocean]

i see, thank you so much

is there auto battle button in this game ? cus im playing 2-3 games in the same time so a little bit dizzy when switching screens around

[soft raft]

yes after you 100% clear a stage

[elfin hollow]

Why the fuck is my Portland dying.

She’s Lv.52 with Defence Skill Lv.4 and she can barely defend shit.

[atomic abyss]

because for CAs, you're meant to throw on evasion boosting gear instead of HP

[soft raft]

for starters giving her a EVA aux instead of a 2nd toolbox would be good

[midnight ocean]

damnn 😦

[atomic abyss]

so blue naval camo or blue steering gear

[soft raft]

also lol blue toolbox
Forgot that was even a thing

[undone plover]

is staggering boss backline unique to 14 and 15?

[inland shoal]

At least it being pretty much mandatory is

[cobalt rapids]

yea because pre w14 reinforcements dont rly do much and most ppl will run helena in their boss fleet aswell

[opal stream]

staggering is just a good thing to do in general
the only place where you would sync is single target boss

[undone plover]

yeah i was more thinking of helena tbh. cuz if u recommend someone to use her then better to sync the backline

[opal stream]

helena not good in campaign

[undone plover]

yet we still recommend her to everyone
ik we do cuz she is easily available and u want her levelled for opsi and other stuff eventually

[worldly lion]

Is there a away to know this ships armor type?

[opal stream]

turn off fleet lock

[atomic abyss]

or use scan

[opal stream]

when your fleet enter you will see prepare screen instead of entering instantly
you can see armor top left

[tawdry sluice]

Is it possible for opsi to strategic search daily missions or do I have to manually do them?

[atomic abyss]

/sirenstats then you can crosscheck with this

[odd root]

https://i.imgur.com/dHVaZV6.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222610726682886174/1222610727043334306/METAstats.jpg?ex=6616d7f8&is=660462f8&hm=13d408976d4de7c661c185568633ea69925b4d21b90045c6523b4debc198f9f1&

[worldly lion]

Thank you all!

[worldly pewter]

the issue about this is
can u use what u got after pulling
especially when it is permanent
mismanaging resources can turn luck into nonluck

[drowsy flame]

yes indeed, i dont have a good bb flagship rn

[forest palm]

cooper fix your lines

[midnight ocean]

i remember there is a website that has tier list and guide how to build ships right ?

[drowsy flame]

this?https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[forest palm]

either of these 2
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/

[silk sphinx]

Ectl. Read and click on gear icons and it doesn’t account for fleet building or opsi… and you need to think of additional stuff in higher worlds

[midnight ocean]

yea this one: https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

thank you so much

[marble arrow]

how do i increase my medal of honor?

[cobalt rapids]

play more

[marble arrow]

just by playing any mode?

[cobalt rapids]

then u get more blue/elite drops u dont need to retire

yes any but ideally oilcapped

[marble arrow]

copy thank you!

[glacial heath]

will agir get a fate sim in the future, since haku has one?

[silk sphinx]

probably. When in the future? who knows

[glacial heath]

so agir can be used with dev lvl 30 then 🙂 Then i dont need to bother, i can focus on haku more

[silk sphinx]

ye that's fine

[atomic abyss]

agir doesn't even need dev 30 to work her wonders

but yes, with d30 she's one of the best tanks in the game

[silk sphinx]

tbh this is the first time I've seen a non-gph reg say that something can work at dev30, usually they ask if she can work at lower dev levels

[atomic abyss]

i think there's a case to be made for being the best tank in the game period

[silk sphinx]

ehhh

[atomic abyss]

not in terms of ehp

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content

[atomic abyss]

i don't think she's gonna outtank the china wall lel

[viscid swift]

Agir is exception more than the rule, and even as an exception she still wants to be maxed asap

[opal stream]

i havent use agir for months

[silk sphinx]

it bears repeating, but best tank is one that survives and contributes the most damage/helps other survive and deal more

[atomic abyss]

yep

that's why i would make the argument for her

[steady beacon]

Right, so that's why I main tanked Helena

[opal stream]

main tank avrora

[silk sphinx]

exactly

[atomic abyss]

i mean, at least as far as eHP goes, she's behind the chinawall

[steady beacon]

I was contemplating not doing the crossing but then I remember that some people might take that seriously and oof... I don't want to be the source of that advice

[atomic abyss]

unless you're telling me that mebot's list is off by a magnitude of 50%

[silk sphinx]

crossing?

[steady beacon]

Crossing it out when I said it

[silk sphinx]

and what's this about mebot's list

[steady beacon]

Eh, wrote it

[sweet delta]

Oh great yat sen tanks 50% better than agir against an average of opsi bosses

[atomic abyss]

i mean you still wouldn't use her for opsi

[sweet delta]

So why did you bring up ehp

[silk sphinx]

that... is news to me.

[eager mulch]

Eva rate good

[viscid swift]

that was sarcasm

[atomic abyss]

i mean, the fact is, she can be a ridiculous tank

i didn't mean to say that made her the best tank or anything lol

[sweet delta]

You're passing it off as overall ehp

[opal stream]

oh you got burn and ram?
welp dedge it is

[sweet delta]

Agir tanks 5 to 10 times better than yat sen in certain battles like real EX

[atomic abyss]

i feel like you just missed my point entirely but nvm

[sweet delta]

If I missed it then it probably shouldn't have been brought up

[viscid swift]

it's moreso that this statement is blatantly false

even ignoring stuff like EX

[atomic abyss]

i mean ultimately you need more than just yat to achieve that level of eHP anyways

so the calc becomes meaningless

with that said, i would still use chinawall to clear that torp boat daily

[silk sphinx]

would someone who was privy to said conversation explain how yat sen got a higher ehp?

[sweet delta]

China dodge 90% of attacks from low hit enemies

[viscid swift]

mebot's ehp sheet

[atomic abyss]

yat when her skill is procced can outtank agir on certain content

[steady beacon]

You mean I wasn't supposed to pretend I was playing Touhou?

[viscid swift]

you also need to pay attention to deviation numbers though

[opal stream]

no you stack torp dmg red and afk

[atomic abyss]

you can actually auto the darn daily with the chinawall, hilariously

[sweet delta]

How do you feel about this @slow fox

[inland shoal]

I mean tbh the torp daily is very easy to manual anyway

[atomic abyss]

that was actually useful when you couldn't just "quick farm" the daily

fuck im old

[opal stream]

boomer

[steady beacon]

Sadly I did not even have one source of TRP DMG reduction back then, apart from a bulge, obviously
But yes, it objectively was pretty easy once you learned the patterns
Nothing compared to an EX, much less actual Touhou

[sweet delta]

*I mean tbh the torp daily is very easy to auto anyway

[atomic abyss]

on a side note, eugen is actually tankier than carl? seriously?

[sweet delta]

Without considering shields

[atomic abyss]

Carl has a torp shield for basically just the start of battle
which feels like a pvp skill more than anything

eugen has the old rotating hit count based shell shield

[steady beacon]

I should just interject that relying on torp shields in modern times is uh...
Well, only advised if desperate
Since we have long since discovered a better way...

[sweet delta]

🕹️

[steady beacon]

(Oh, this is for PvP, let me make that clear...)

[atomic abyss]

i mean back when the first torp shield ship was introduced, it was a complete meme of a skill to begin with

by the way the first ship with a torp shield was ...

[opal stream]

room has shields that hit the enemies