gameplay-help

[hushed dawn]

Ah fuck they got annihilated.

[steady beacon]

... Is there some magical way I'm missing that that stays in sync with SG Helena? 👀

[whole crypt]

nope, guns are wrong

[fickle scarab]

How yall dodging 2nd attack pattern ex?

[whole crypt]

I wasn't, haven't gotten around to doing manual

[fickle scarab]

I don't see any way I can dodge that

[whole crypt]

I'm not even sure if I want to bother doing high score for this one

[fickle scarab]

It's a pain and very hard, I like it finally conteng

[whole crypt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CMQ2_bhxJI

[hushed dawn]

I'm taking this means Champy gun and 406mm then?

[whole crypt]

I mean they're all 406mm... but if you mean Mk6/Mk7 yes

[steady beacon]

Based on watching the vids it's like a hitbox trick I think?
Like it looks bigger than it actually is

[hushed dawn]

I meant like the Friedrich gun.

[fickle scarab]

thx

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure I like Ulrich for this one though

[hushed dawn]

For Ulrich, atleast.

[soft raft]

That's just a more expensive IJN Twin 410

[steady beacon]

As a general rule, don't bring FDG guns against bosses

[whole crypt]

also not sure why won't you just put another AP gun on Ulrich

if you use a triple at least you line up every other shot

[steady beacon]

Probably trying to do what stig suggested, although Idk if he verified if it works
Something about using DoT to get around the DMGRED

[soft raft]

something something 15% damage boost with a HE gun
Tho like lol

[keen sable]

a twin probably lines up on half the shots too

[whole crypt]

yeh but we never actually tested whether the burn worked on the shield

[hushed dawn]

Would this work?

[whole crypt]

won't know till you try, I went with CV in the end

[hushed dawn]

Aight I'll just send it.

[rapid grail]

bone jaw what's the strats for Takao CM.

since you guys are rly good w/ spoonfeeding CN/JP strats

[whole crypt]

I did 2 clears one with Kearsarge/Yorktown that took like 8 minutes
IJN CVs did it in like 5

[grizzled lion]

How many pieces of gear have you guys gotten from this. Is today the 1st day for an item from it?

[hushed dawn]

What's the build with IJN CVs + Implac?

[plain saffron]

which CM month have 2 boss?

[whole crypt]

Gemini, Pisces

[plain saffron]

uhh what month

[whole crypt]

Jun/Feb I think

[whole crypt]

Hakuryuu/Shinano/Implacable/Helena/Kazagumo/Sirius

[hushed dawn]

I meant like the gear.

[whole crypt]

whatever you can get onto them that'll get them to hit in around 20s, I didn't actually pay attention

was just throwing on BFGs and converging torps where they'll fit then moving planes around so they'll fit Helena

might be different depending on your tech/cats anyway

[soft raft]

8hr Hindenburg or one of two blue cube research?
only other options are 2 purple cube researches

[whole crypt]

how are you looking on print progress for 6

[soft raft]

Everyone's D30 except for Kear at D28 and Hindenburg at D26

[whole crypt]

spares for FS?

[hushed dawn]

Aight.

[late flame]

#gameplay-help message

[stable badger]

what should i change? i can't get air supremacy

[soft raft]

you need a AA carry in your fleet 2
What is Kaza doing there

Also I wouldnt use Perseus if you can help it

[whole crypt]

can you beat it without supremacy though

it's nice to have but it's not a requirement

[stable badger]

i mean, i DID beat it. but had to manual the last 2 mob fights

[soft raft]

71 for Shimanto
7 for Felix
21 for Flandre

[whole crypt]

I'd take cube if you have spare then

[forest palm]

I'm done with prints for PR6, FS included

[whole crypt]

well you weren't asking were you

[crimson glacier]

yeah having perseus really hurts on the last mob fights

[whole crypt]

replacing Perseus with a damage carrier will probably be fine

[keen sable]

that's perseus' fault. maybe you have bad gear also

[stable badger]

then, who do i replace perseus with?

[whole crypt]

what carriers do you have

[soft raft]

Do you have like Volga or Aquila?

[stable badger]

aquila...healer mode, i assume?

[soft raft]

yes
That's the mode people use her in 99% of the time

[whole crypt]

even without Volga or Aquila I have a feeling Saratoga's damage or Independence's fighters + fast load will do it

[forest palm]

was gonna say Chkalov, but world 15 wants AA

[stable badger]

i still use aquilla in dmg mode in Pvp. that's i was a bit reluctant to use her. i keep forgeting to change gear

[whole crypt]

but yeh Aquila + Musashi is a common one for 15

people still use Aquila for PvP?

[stable badger]

welp. Aquilla got me air supremacy on top too

[stable badger]

i do cuz lazy to change her

[whole crypt]

healmode Aquila has more fighters and more planes than Perseus, so yeh

[grizzled lion]

Some of these gear skins are awesome. Watching whales get yeeted from the edge of the screen is pretty intense 🤣

[south sequoia]

Uh, wrong channel?

[grizzled lion]

Yup. My bad. Thought it switched.

[rigid sand]

UvH or Soyuz? for BB in opsi with Bis2 NJ

[south sequoia]

Soyuz for sure

[small fern]

Do i finish researching her or

[whole crypt]

why not

[icy mountain]

guys is it bad if i bought the operation siren logger?

the one that cost 5k oil

[whole crypt]

makes it easier to auto clear for the month

[stable badger]

what i gear i used...well, laffey 2, not retro.

[whole crypt]

if you're not a very heavy grinder the 5k oil isn't a huge difference

this is 🚮

[stable badger]

the rainbow DD gun aint in the thing

put that as placeholder

[south sequoia]

You are using the outdated site

[soft raft]

Moment

[whole crypt]

you might want purple gun for Musashi too, blue's too low damage for PvE

[steady beacon]

Use Ren's updated fleet builder
https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet

[icy mountain]

LESGO

[soft raft]

Wasn't the blue gun just Musashi barrage spam meme cope

[whole crypt]

and yeh, swap out Perseus if you can

[icy mountain]

MUSASHI + IMPLACABLE NEXT YEAR I THINK

[steady beacon]

Smh got one dot wrong for /, my bad

[whole crypt]

PvP

[icy mountain]

hopefully a rerun for both URs

[late flame]

we dont do speculations here though you are welcome to do so over at #al-general

[soft raft]

1. no one fucking knows
2. there's a lot of events in-between Musashi and Implacable to rerun

[icy mountain]

oh yeah mb

[steady beacon]

I think people have tried in PvE, but uh... so far I've only seen it stick in PvP

[rigid sand]

Who is helena generally better with, BBs or CVs?

[atomic abyss]

She fits in BB comps better because there's too much competition in CV comps

[blissful hamlet]

depend on the context but most people run her with BB, but she can run with CV too

[rigid sand]

alr, perfect

[atomic abyss]

Not to mention, it's easier for BBs to hit 20s without gimping their guns

[rigid sand]

yeah, I was thinkin' of timing-wise too

[blissful hamlet]

BB is easier to time with helena since you're new

~~ahh it already said ~~

[steady beacon]

Was there some deleted ping for me 👀

[vale apex]

shoukaku and zuikaku worth getting?

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... IJN tech, if you need it and memes

[vale apex]

what abt sr bbs? any worth getting?

[south sequoia]

Only hood really

tirpitz and bismarck for kms tech pts

[steady beacon]

Also AVI+2, actually
Only IJN CVs to give +2 apart from Haku

[vale apex]

what does that mean

[steady beacon]

If you have Hood, just stock up on tech
Or like... Nagato...
Since she returns like once every year for META Showdown

[steady beacon]

Fleet tech
Cranes give +2 AVI when they hit Level 120

[vale apex]

why do i need nagato for meta sd

[vale apex]

i dont really get it but i should buy them right?

[wind hazel]

it's not a priority

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm... I think I'll phrase it as... if you wondering about that, then don't prioritise them for now...
I feel like any more clarification will only cause more confusion

[vale apex]

what all should i buy from medal shop

i bought the 2 bulins and specialized core and bismarck

[wind hazel]

red skill books if you need them, or one of the CV aforementioned if you need the fleet tech

[vale apex]

okay thanks

[dusty silo]

what a recommended fleet for Takao TAURUS?

[eager mulch]

I slammed it with a bunch of rainbows and helena

it is quite literally a dps check

[dusty silo]

im not talking about gear, need fleet >_<

[eager mulch]

I slammed it with a bunch of rainbow ships and helena

[late flame]

#gameplay-help message

[dusty silo]

thanks

[tranquil saffron]

What armour type is this month's arbiter?

[elfin hollow]

@steady beacon Is this gun worth equipping??

[steady beacon]

Nope

[inland shoal]

Never

[soft raft]

it's also not worth being upgraded in gear lab

[late flame]

arbiter should be strength, so medium

[tranquil saffron]

Thanks

[blissful hamlet]

Medium is the one that kills vanguard right?

[steady beacon]

In some sense they all do
But if you mean she always has the Vanguard Hunter module, yes

[blissful hamlet]

[tranquil saffron]

What should I change?

I can get the hard arbiter down to about 10-15

[rocky fjord]

do you have all ships?

[jaunty vault]

why the random persus

[rocky fjord]

bottom three fleets are assorted scuff

[tranquil saffron]

No but I do have many ships

[jaunty vault]

[tranquil saffron]

I mean the second fleet does a good amount of damage

[jaunty vault]

april arby or may arby

[tranquil saffron]

May

[jaunty vault]

and what are your adapts

[tranquil saffron]

170 on all

[jaunty vault]

damn

[steady beacon]

You can prob kill if you get 203/203/156 tbh...

[jaunty vault]

ye

but doesn't change the fact those fleets are scuffed

[tranquil saffron]

How do you actually get your adapts up?

[jaunty vault]

playing any zone multiple times

[tranquil saffron]

Ah I see

[rocky fjord]

buying

[whole crypt]

my problem with OS boss fleet is I'm trying to avoid anything that will affect PvP or showdown layouts

[tranquil saffron]

What would you change?

[whole crypt]

is fleet 2 mob, Helena should have no place in mob

[jaunty vault]

move NJ to fleet2 and unicorn to fleet4
move chkalov to fleet3 and bench persus

fleet3 can be kear/enty/chkalov/anch/shima/laff

would use agir in fleet2

idk what else you have but could change stuff up depending on that

[tranquil saffron]

Thanks

[whole crypt]

what's third vanguard nowadays for BB fleet after tank and Helena

[jaunty vault]

ply

[whole crypt]

oh right forgot

[jaunty vault]

could replace helena with hindenburg if you dont wanna deal with rng

[undone plover]

we can use Subs in CM ?

[jaunty vault]

yeah

[whole crypt]

dropping tank to Plymouth/Helena/Hindenburg is going to bite it for arbs isn't it

[jaunty vault]

could work

[whole crypt]

thinking how I can get even lazier for comps

[tranquil saffron]

My Hindenburg is low level and only dev 16 right now

[frank pulsar]

then dont use her

[jaunty vault]

[tranquil saffron]

Haku FS 5 is pain

[frank pulsar]

if youre already in the middle of pr6 id rather you finish that and then go back yo pr4 for haku

dev30 hinden/kear makes a bigger impact than a fs5 upgrade to haku from dev30

[tranquil saffron]

Haku is already FS 4 and I'm at 64% on FS 5

[rocky fjord]

haku focus > finishing pr6

[undone plover]

why are people running plymouth with CV fleets?

[rocky fjord]

it's usually with kear

[undone plover]

no for the CM i mean

[steady beacon]

Probably just for her damage to help clear the SKS

[undone plover]

cant u just use the airstrikes for that? why is it better to clear the shield with vanguard?

[stark quiver]

cuz backline does the main damage after shield broken

[steady beacon]

Uh... probably... as someone who hasn't done it, I'm unqualified to comment further
And given how my CM usually goes, I'll be scrambling to do it one hour before the monthly reset, like happened today

[hollow gust]

cause tanky and has very good dps

The CAs are glass, The CBs dps is meh

[steady beacon]

Anyhow, on another note, I can confirm that the JintM/NoshiMuse comp can kill
And Rice has verified that Avrora/NoshiMuse can as well
Now... we refine the dish...
https://streamable.com/f686sn

[inland shoal]

For a short moment I was wondering why you'd share a topgear episode here

[dreamy timber]

Hey, could anybody help me build an up-to-date boss and mob fleet? I feel like mines are quite outdated

[inland shoal]

For what content?

[viscid swift]

positioning aside they're fine

[steady beacon]

This is what happens when I try to come up with a good name
And end up with a crappy pun instead

[stark quiver]

how to get more spec core

[dreamy timber]

mainly for main campaign

[inland shoal]

What chapter are you at?

[steady beacon]

The sources are known, if you want more to get to the monthly cap faster, you can only grind harder
And ofc there are now 1000 in the medal shop

[dreamy timber]

havent played in a while, im at the start of 10

[stark quiver]

do i grind opsi? or like some other world

[rapid grail]

grind a lot and you'll be done ha;fway into the month

[inland shoal]

Those fleets are fine positioning aside, I'd rather use someone else than Kii but you don't seem to have a suitable replacement up to speed

[rapid grail]

generally speaking

[steady beacon]

I know that spec cores can drop from OpSi iirc but uh
Idk the relative rates tbh
I'd stick to campaign/event maps

[inland shoal]

Just retire some URs or burins 🧠

[steady beacon]

The second one is an absolute 10000IQ play tbh

[dreamy timber]

alright then, how do i fix my positioning, also who would be a good replacement for kii? i might have them but not levelled

[stark quiver]

I might neeed the bulins for mlbing

[steady beacon]

Yes, Thorin was joking

[stark quiver]

What campaign stage best for spec core

[hollow gust]

It doesn't matter

[whole crypt]

consistency though, I just did one for .97M

[inland shoal]

Well NJ could be a good replacement for example, but she's not MLB and I don't think I'd invest bulins into her rn. Generally don't invest bulins to partly limit break URs, only invest them if you can max them right away. You never know if a better UR might come around and you wish you had those bulins left to invest in that
Position wise put your BB in middle, on fleet 2 put ehh Maybe Yuudachi cuz of lvl front, Suzu middle

[hollow gust]

Just play the game regularly and you will max out to the cap . Weekly missions already finished a significant amount of the cap

[inland shoal]

9~15, you should hit 5k spec core in a month anyway

[undone plover]

Ok can someone help me understand sth pls. for the CM wouldnt having less consistent dps but more concentrated damage be better? for example if vanguard is good enough to clear the shield in 10 seconds Takoa would effectively have 3 shields per minute. 10 sec on 10 sec off = 3/min. but if u let the main fleet deal with it and concentrate damage into airstrikes/salvo u only clear the shield every 20 seconds and with 10s cooldown she will have 2 per min and less overal eHP? or is there some gimmick with the shield I am unaware of?

[hollow gust]

Unless you don't play the game , you will max out spec

brute force , let's go

[inland shoal]

Okay and how does giving up 500k dmg for her to have 400k less eHP benefit you?
There might be some advantage idk, but I think it would be rly annoying to utilise and not have a great benefit anyway

[dreamy timber]

ty very much!

[steady beacon]

Gotta cook some more
My last run today was super close, and would have killed if JintM hadn't inexplicably lived to the end...
Some refinements to work out, but I'm optimistic

[whole crypt]

another one with JintsuuM/Moshiro

[whole crypt]

what vanguard do you intend to use to break the shield in time

[undone plover]

i thought about it more and i think that will be impossible on auto. the second shield will be on for 10 seconds and then backline will fire again.... u cant make em wait another 10 seconds

[stark quiver]

Will this be enough to brute force cm

[whole crypt]

the shield just blocks too much to effectively drop before main fleet, unless you manual

[inland shoal]

Probably, just try it

[undone plover]

I am having trouble understanding why vanguard needs to break the shield. do they get more dmg vs it? otherwise your effective dps is unchanged if they are the ones who break it or main

[whole crypt]

well if your vanguard doesn't break it, your main fleet damage will have to... but there's no way to do it consistently in a way to maximize your main fleet damage

let me try my third assist with Avrora instead...

[hollow gust]

Use a cb instead of unzen also why isn't your Musashi flag

[undone plover]

but if the shield blocks 200k damage and u get 3 shields per minute anyway why does it matter when it breaks? if u are killing 3 shields and the remaining damage goes through. the shield will block 600k regardless if van breaks it or main

i am sorry if I am dumb and there is an obvious thing i am missing

[steady beacon]

... I wonder if there's any chance that swapping Shina/Implac positions might help...
I swear Implac has never ever gotten revealed... granted, her gauge IS more durable, but after that weird anecdote early in the season, I'm coming around to the possibility that bottom position gets hit more...

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure what you're thinking but it's fine just bruteforcing it with 20s comps

[steady beacon]

And Shina getting revealed does noticeably tank her damage

[whole crypt]

Shinano top and Implacable bottom?

[steady beacon]

Ye gonna try that tomorrow...

This may be a hilarious long shot, but after around two dozen observations... the disparity certainly feels weird...

[inland shoal]

[hollow gust]

They aren't reruning

[eager mulch]

no, we don’t know if or when collabs will rerun

[whole crypt]

no, collabs don't usually rerun if you want a chance at those ships

[upbeat lake]

Is it true we will never got any of these Collab like Hololive Neptune Senran Kagura Kizuna Ai?

[stark quiver]

Why cb? Is there a special requirement?

[whole crypt]

durability

[steady beacon]

Damn, did I scroll away when something happened

[hollow gust]

Plymouth ain't gonna tank 10 minutes of the fight

Guam lasts around ~8

[opal stream]

if you want a cm tank that last the entire 10m
use drek

[steady beacon]

We did have collab reruns for the first time last year, after long speculation that collabs will never rerun, but... there is reason to suspect those will probably be rare... if I were you, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for reruns of the collabs
Who knows, it could happen...

[whole crypt]

[steady beacon]

Unzen shooting to 500k indeed

[upbeat lake]

RIP myself

[hollow gust]

Hololive got its ass nuked by China and the other two are reaching 6+ years , it ain't happening

[inner delta]

[opal stream]

kizuna is dead
literally

[viscid swift]

collab reruns are possible if the licensing and contracts can be renewed which is far from always the case, assume collabs will never rerun until announced otherwise

[steady beacon]

Ngl, that THEY have Shina top, Implac bottom... is the last bit of nonsensical reasoning to convince me to try

[upbeat lake]

What Collab that is Rerun?

[whole crypt]

only SSSS and DOAXVV

[stark quiver]

I’m guessing some people will never get 100% collection?

[whole crypt]

collab not counted in your displayed collection %

[zinc prairie]

guys is there any way to get other META ships?

[whole crypt]

meta or META

[viscid swift]

only if you include collabs, if we wanna go that far technically no one outside of CN can have 100%

[stark quiver]

Oh really?

[inland shoal]

Yes, thx to 22, 33 and Utawarerumono or whatever it was

[whole crypt]

there are 2 collab ships that are CN exclusive, but they don't appear in JP or EN clients at all

[zinc prairie]

META

[whole crypt]

the showdown META cycles on roughly 80+ days
the cruise META is every 2 months
you can also do dossier for showdowns for some older showdown METAs
past cruise META ships are coming back Soon™️

[keen sable]

event META...

[zinc prairie]

ah ok thanks

[whole crypt]

event METAs are just waiting for event reruns

[whole crypt]

try wot

[steady beacon]

That positioning, of course

[whole crypt]

I don't think it was the positioning that made the difference, that run I was testing Avrora/Moshiro

and dropped Jintsuu META

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I'm also flirting with the possibility of ditching Musashi now that Noshi handles the IJN req for Shina
But coming up with a carrier that can even contemplate replacing Musashi without messing the delicate launching order is a tough gig...

[hollow gust]

Oh hey the new auxes are solid

[whole crypt]

the towels? or the ticket

[inland shoal]

Yes, a gaseous or fluid towel would be kinda impractical

[hollow gust]

Towels , it's a free 550 hp with stat buffs or shields , not bad

I have been needing more 550 hp

[whole crypt]

it's your usual better second toolkit with frills

just that the frills this time actually have some use

[opal stream]

15s

[whole crypt]

still useful for shorter fights

[steady beacon]

I'm not really talking about the difference in one run, I'm just talking about improving consistency in general, for the reasons I already highlighted

[inland shoal]

Yeah, how many actually useful 2ndary toolboxes are there? Right away I can think of Goldburn, EM thingy, RPG thing and the 2 towels

[whole crypt]

well, more testing tomorrow

[opal stream]

shoter fight you dont even need 550hp

[inland shoal]

Better than nothing

[whole crypt]

S4G but this one does nothing besides HP

[opal stream]

also real endgame run offensive

[whole crypt]

what's your real endgame and on which ship though

[opal stream]

when you start 1 fight harbiter and meta
and clear cm with fast speed

[whole crypt]

Alizarin towel is technically offensive

besides goldburn the only ships that use HP aux for those are DDs anyway, if no DD in the boss comp then it's no ball for them

[keen sable]

just get +245 hp and +31 eva tech and run offense endgame

[tranquil saffron]

My Guam keeps dying to hard arbiter just before I can get another good airstrike in
Is this a level issue or a Guam issue?

[opal stream]

inb 0 adapt

[forest palm]

Lv 112 doesn't help

[whole crypt]

level, gear, and you know, maybe come back after raising adapts

[stark quiver]

0 adept and lvl 112 isn’t much help

[inland shoal]

Lvl 112 means 26% more dmg taken than 125, but I think even then she should survive somewhat well

[stark quiver]

What tech does shinano give

[tranquil saffron]

My adapts aren't 0

[steady beacon]

Against Strength?
Definitely a harder ask than most tbh...

[whole crypt]

any adapt less than 142 is the same as 0 against arbs

[south sequoia]

We are like 5 hours fresh from reset you can do your arbys later

[tranquil saffron]

All are 170

[south sequoia]

Wait no 8

[south sequoia]

Do it later and get levels for guam in the mean time

[whole crypt]

have you tried tapping into the confirmation screen to see how much penalty that is

[south sequoia]

You're off by 40 frok max adapt

[inland shoal]

Closer to 9 🤓

[south sequoia]

Thats a big penalty

[tranquil saffron]

Back to grind

[whole crypt]

he's actually around midway between min and max effect for adapts, so chances are he's going in at around even for adapt scaling... which is still 30% less than max adapts

[south sequoia]

[stark quiver]

Great catch Thorin!

[opal stream]

real gamers do harby at 0 adapt

[whole crypt]

I'm not a gamer, I just want to clear my OS painless every month, thanks

we're coming soon to our 3rd cycle

[opal stream]

it just 4 fleets
doesnt matter really

[whole crypt]

I mean I can probably do it at 0 adapt across my 4 fleets I just don't want to bother making sure the 4 fleets are geared

99% of OS is basically ran on 1 fleet

[inland shoal]

I forgot, can you access Harby right away without needing to clear any zones?

[whole crypt]

not sure, maybe if you buy logger, if not buy logger and clear one adjacent zone

[eager mulch]

still need to clear one adjacent

[whole crypt]

which is trivial if you bought the logger anyway

[inland shoal]

So it is a bother to do Harby at 0 adapts then

[eager mulch]

opsi itself is a bother

[whole crypt]

well you don't have to do it at 0 adapts exactly, doing it with 100 is still the same as doing it at 0

[inland shoal]

Doesn't sound even half as impressive tho

[eager mulch]

how impressive is harbiter at 999 adapts

[whole crypt]

it only sounds less impressive if you think the effect is different

[opal stream]

impressive no lifer

[rocky fjord]

sounds like cor2

[eager mulch]

I don’t know what that means

[forest palm]

wouldn't call that impressive, would recommend you get help, and touch grass

[whole crypt]

how much HP Is taurus again?

[opal stream]

pin

[whole crypt]

probably no ramming run this month then I guess

[opal stream]

actually ramming break shields superfast

[whole crypt]

so shield does consider the non-reduced damage types?

[opal stream]

ya

[whole crypt]

I wasn't thinking about the shield anyway, it needs to be a feasible amount of HP

ramming can take out the shield in like 3-4 contacts, depending on whether you get all 3 vanguards to hit

[tall tapir]

hello, i have a question (i'm new) about fleet technology : can i retire a ship without loosing the point given by this ship ?

[whole crypt]

tech gains are milestones, you don't lose them if you drop the ship, but you don't get more if you get her again, same for LB and lv120 increases

[tall tapir]

ok thx

and do u have a tips to give xp to a ship --> level 70 for LB, the best way ? farming or comissions or ??

[whole crypt]

dorm or XP packs

[eternal moth]

When running Soyuz/Bisco/Vanguard, is Soyuz the best option for flag, or is it Bisco?

[whole crypt]

for Plymouth buffing probably Bismarck because of her crits

[atomic abyss]

Agreed

[whole crypt]

if not running Plymouth it's probably ↔️

[eternal moth]

Are you guys finding that Bismarck is just a little too fast? I'm tempted to see about giving her a slightly slower gun to make up for it

[whole crypt]

VG is still faster

[eager mulch]

my bisco is too slow from my vg

[eternal moth]

Nah, I just don't give Vanguard a radar and she sticks right with Soyuz

[whole crypt]

that's because Soyuz is slow

[atomic abyss]

Slowyuz really

[whole crypt]

blame the northern ice

[eager mulch]

it goes vg > bisz > soy ja?

that’s how it is for me at least

[atomic abyss]

I mean actually
Is it just me or does no one actually talk about the fact that Soyuz has a slow lmao

[whole crypt]

that's how it should work

[eager mulch]

soyuz slow is when we have bisz succ

[whole crypt]

if you use Soyuz in a BB comp you don't work around her slow

[atomic abyss]

I don't have BZ

[eager mulch]

just get her tbh

[whole crypt]

also soyuz slow is 40%, it's not reliable enough on its own anyway

[atomic abyss]

Does her succ actually work on everything?

[eager mulch]

she succs a lot

idk about everything

[eternal moth]

Oh, Soyuz is actually slower than NJ. ok, that makes a lot more sense now.

[whole crypt]

there are some odd things it might not work on, but nothing that you'd usually be concerned about when putting together BB comp

[eager mulch]

soyuz is pretty slow for a ur bb

faster than though

[whole crypt]

she's only faster than Musashi

Musashi's main problem is izumo gun being slower than champagne gun

[eager mulch]

my fleets are synced tight enough that the only place they desync is CM but at that point I just use CVs and nuke

there isn’t much that can withstand several airstrikes of +13 ryuuseis and tenrais

[inland shoal]

Pretty sure it doesn't work on things that have 0 speed

[atomic abyss]

That's fair I suppose

[whole crypt]

~~it also doesn't work on Leo ~~

[atomic abyss]

So wait
If let's say I take the example of rodM
Does that mean during the time where she stops, the succ won't work?
*Hypothetically speaking

[eager mulch]

which one was leo

[inland shoal]

The balls

[jaunty vault]

pretty sure it does

[inland shoal]

No, she doesn't stop by reducing her max speed to 0, she stops by deciding not to move, only if the max speed is 0 the succ shouldn't work

[atomic abyss]

[inland shoal]

Or like it should work worse the lower the max speed is
If I remember this correctly anyway

[steady beacon]

The black hole also has finite range, I should note
If the boss is in a corner outside the range, then the black hole will also fail to work

If you get unlucky with movements with some Arbiters, it absolutely can fail, and quite miserably at that

[whole crypt]

the first boss to do it extensively to you is leo

[atomic abyss]

So a gacha game within my gacha game

[whole crypt]

the enforcer that teleports also jumps it

[steady beacon]

This is why I play CVs

[atomic abyss]

Btw
Does someone have the super old relic timings to match for Renown meta

So far I've only been able to match her disruption window on the 2nd and 3rd volleys

[steady beacon]

By "volley" here, you mean her big projectile attacks against the backline, right?
If so, does it matter? The first one is her weakest, after all
It's deleting the second and third that's important, unless you want your backline melted

[atomic abyss]

...i mean that is not what i meant by that, but you got the idea anyways

cos currently, i am unable to meet the timing for her first major attack
my BB firing only lines up with her second and third attack cycle

so im assuming that's what i'm supposed to do? at least from what you said

[eternal moth]

What's your setup for CVs?

[steady beacon]

Wait, are you breaking her charge?

[atomic abyss]

...am i not supposed to?

[whole crypt]

not all the time

[eternal moth]

I'm looking at my timings, and I don't know if this will work for the full CM

[steady beacon]

Uh... not if you don't want to tank your damage
If you break her charge twice, you are just not going to damage, much less kill her

[atomic abyss]

oh

[eager mulch]

all +13 cv gear though

except the tigercat, fuck tigercats

[eternal moth]

Oh, not using rockets?

[eager mulch]

too lazy to swap

[steady beacon]

I think auto setups are meant to break one charge and allow two so she doesn't completely melt your entire fleet... or at least, that was the impression I was getting
Ofc my experience of her was entirely manual, and that was allowing two charges and then running around like a madman, while using airstrikes to delete her big projectile attacks

[atomic abyss]

maybe i shd change the question

which charges of renown meta am i supposed to break

[whole crypt]

autosetups usually try to break 1, or if you're feeling lucky not break at all

[atomic abyss]

my backline dies with the latter

[steady beacon]

I think BBs break charge 2? That one lines up very neatly to be broken in standard setups iirc

Idt it's possible to break charge 1 on auto fwiw, it happens WAY too early

[atomic abyss]

my BBs are currently breaking charge 2 and 3 with the twin 406

don't ask why twin 406, i misunderstood the assignment

[eager mulch]

can’t be bothered to swap gear so I just plop my ships in the back and full send every time I have 6 airstrikes saved up, literally just pressing a button twice every ~40 seconds for a couple of times

[whole crypt]

ideally you want to break one so she goes into the third charge for mode change or something
nowadays I think you can 1shot her with comps that don't break first 2 charges but I doubt ender has the ships, gear and levels

[eternal moth]

Oh, so you're manualing?

[eager mulch]

barely

[atomic abyss]

Im rolling Soyuz Vanny FDG Agir Ply Helena
Frontline actually fails to live sometime

[eager mulch]

it’s just pressing the auto/manual button every time I’ve got 6 strikes loaded

[steady beacon]

Her damage is absolutely withering, so I wouldn't be surprised

[eager mulch]

kills fast enough before health becomes a problem

[eternal moth]

But you'll never get 6 airstrikes unless you're manualling... Unless you mean you just don't move your vanguard

[eager mulch]

I’d rather take the ~5 minutes of barely doing manual than figuring out a full auto setup

[steady beacon]

What I've been trying to convince everyone about RodM since day 1

[whole crypt]

my second third run of taurus involved changing planes on IJN comp but I wasn't really figuring anything out besides just swapping planes until I had 20s

[eager mulch]

because my full auto BB run fell short on time with 2 bars left

[whole crypt]

my first run was trying torp comp and vanguard died

second run was Kearsarge CV, ran up to 8min but I didn't optimize anything

[frank pulsar]

my ply survives for 7:30 with a rudder and fumo
how is your agir dying

[atomic abyss]

so just to confirm
break just the second

[heavy anvil]

Is it worth farming Iris of Light and Dark from war archives for the DD gun to trigger Brest unique?

[eager mulch]

no

[whole crypt]

I don't remember the precise mechanics and timings, glhf

[atomic abyss]

we having 2 diff convos
im talking about renown meta

[frank pulsar]

ouh

yea renowm just deletes you if you dont kill fast enough

[eager mulch]

soup just EN a little

[steady beacon]

If memory serves there are CV setups that are meant to delete ONE of Renown's backline attacks so that your backline doesn't die, and it MIGHT be able to avoid breaking her second charge
But your vanguard surviving between 0:38 and 0:20ish is the hard part, because if she activates Ashen Might Storm on second charge, it is utterly monstrous
If you stick to BBs, break just the second yes
Since I don't think you live if you don't...

[heavy anvil]

So I just slap the best DD gun on her and ignore the crit dmg buff from iris gear

[eager mulch]

the buff is nice to have but not necessary, most people proc it with an AA gun or smth

[whole crypt]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qd4y1X7Z6/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=5a3cc59ab53fddbb5b03779e5e9caf6d here are some examples, but you probably missing some key ships from the past 2 years

[frank pulsar]

i mean, tank dmg isnt meant to be impressive or anyt anyway
you can always equip a french aa gun to fulfill the req

[atomic abyss]

brief side track, what if i do have the single 138 lul

[steady beacon]

Make the req with her AA gun
L/60 Bofors, or the Bucket gun if poverty

[atomic abyss]

i'm old okay...

i think i have like 5 138s?

[steady beacon]

I may or may not have 3

[frank pulsar]

im a firm believer in tank dmg being less relevant/irrelevant

[steady beacon]

With one even at +13

[atomic abyss]

i mean that's a fair logic

[frank pulsar]

which is why i think the ca section in ectl is a load of bs but that's just my hot take

[whole crypt]

which rainbows do you have again, ender

[eager mulch]

ECTL bad

[atomic abyss]

rainbow gear or ships

[eager mulch]

The AA buff might be useful for W15 but you’d probably have rainbow AA by then

[whole crypt]

ships

not much of the relevant gear is rainbow anyway

[eager mulch]

ender can probably fit all his rainbow ships and gear in a single screenshot each

[steady beacon]

... Can't we ALL fit all our rainbow ships in a single screenshot...
There aren't THAT many...

[whole crypt]

yeh but I'm trying to find a oneshot comp he can actually build

[frank pulsar]

is renowm extremely rng to one shot? just aim for 2 shot

[whole crypt]

back in the day, apparently newer ships can down her a lot more reliably

[steady beacon]

[eager mulch]

wow, powercreep isn’t real

[atomic abyss]

missing a LOT of the big hitters like sushi, impla and BZ

[steady beacon]

I evidently don't use them enough, because I must be forgetting how many there are...

[whole crypt]

any chance you can go for this, I don't think the 125s are negotiable though

[steady beacon]

Oh... probably not helped by the fact that I'm missing 3 DRs bc lazy
Ah well

[whole crypt]

you likely have a bigger problem missing 125 and tech than some of the rainbows

[atomic abyss]

yeeeah
especially tech

[steady beacon]

... This may be tiny but
If you're running Shina as solo IJN, mightn't you just use Haku instead...

[eternal moth]

The fact that actually worked so much better than my BB fleet... wow

[whole crypt]

my guess is vid is pre-Hakuryuu FS

[eager mulch]

how much total AP to clear entire opsi map?

explorables i mean

[steady beacon]

... I swear Cooper counted this last month, let me see if I can find it...

[jaunty vault]

[whole crypt]

I vaguely remember it was close to 2k

[eager mulch]

cooper

[jaunty vault]

2880

smh pili taking too long

[steady beacon]

Saved me trying to figure out what to search for

First, I had to get the name right bc there's like five coopers in here...

[jaunty vault]

[eager mulch]

there’s only one cooper in my heart

[atomic abyss]

[novel condor]

[eager mulch]

off to play wows I go

[steady beacon]

I opine we should retire the dupes

[inland shoal]

Yes and he has a cooper pfp

[sweet delta]

The bottom two are awful for someone with max cats like me. And they only work with max cats. So they're awful

[whole crypt]

what, CV RLD?

[eternal moth]

Why are you using Ply with no BBs?

[jaunty vault]

are you saying youre normal

[vagrant panther]

Are the songs in the manjuu karaoke lounge available on Spotify or something?

[jaunty vault]

not on Spotify

[sweet delta]

As a tank who deals damage, because normal people may take 10 minutes

[jaunty vault]

you could search them up on youtube, download illegally and then play on your modded spotify

[atomic abyss]

they are on youtube tho yes

legally

[frank pulsar]

was it that bad? i used a slightly modified version of the uss one and i got a ~7:30 kill
mainly because i didnt have enough offensive vanguard aux

[atomic abyss]

well some of them are

[vale spindle]

They are all on YouTube

If you go to the wiki page for heart linking harmony, the hyperlinks to all the songs lead to their official YouTube version

[sweet delta]

More than 4 minutes with average Helena = bad

[eternal moth]

I used turtle's tactic and killed in 5:30. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/1235269899614556180/IMG_3157.png?ex=6633c23e&is=663270be&hm=53f483cc9e7e299066e7605c728fd4683d243eb771fb61cc8c97bdfc0c9f15e3&

Just leave it on manual and hit auto when you get 6 air strikes

[vale spindle]

If it clears in <= 10 min not bad :)

[frank pulsar]

my nano not gonna be ready until near the end of this month

ill try it if i remember by then

[whole crypt]

took me 5:35 and I have no idea if it's bad Helena RNG or because I didn't seriously optimize the shit

[frank pulsar]

also ty nntktt your advice helped a lot, i followed your advice to just hit harder and it worked lmao

[whole crypt]

what, CM? this month's CM is really just a damage check

[frank pulsar]

yea cm

cuz previously i tried breaking the shield, and ended up dying instead

[whole crypt]

20s comps that nuke hard enough will do basically

[inland shoal]

But hit harder is literally the same as breaking the shield...

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing he was trying to find some way to break shield before main fleet hits

[stable badger]

ch15. what's easier to deal with: carrier enemy or main fleet enemy? no escorts left

[whole crypt]

with that AA I'm guessing CV will be a better deal

[steady beacon]

May be a slight cheat but um
Your subs cover the CV fleet right
I'd use that as my discriminator here

[stable badger]

formation matters much? like circular or double line?

[whole crypt]

I mean he can move the sub fleet to hit the main fleet as well

[steady beacon]

Ofc but I'm an oil stinge

[stable badger]

i have the oil to move my subs. that's the least of my worries

[steady beacon]

The AA reasoning sounds right to me, I'll say that much

[whole crypt]

that's 15-3 right? is it just 1 more fight before boss spawn?

[stable badger]

should be 1 more yes. if i need to do both i'll quit the game for today...already lost to this map 3 times

[whole crypt]

I think you might survive doing both but

[sharp token]

im new at opsi and the resolve goes low idk and i already used the regroup and rest thing is there something i can replenish the resolve or wait for the timer?

[whole crypt]

fight trash mobs

[keen sable]

don't die? you can redeploy for free every 24h

[whole crypt]

also depends on where you got sunk

some zones you don't have any options besides wait or give up

[sharp token]

then should call it a day

[humble vessel]

Recommended fleet for taurus boss?

[eager mulch]

pretty standard anti-medium boss fleet, its just a damage check

[nova maple]

research help

[coral oyster]

Who's worth it ? I really want Nagato and amagi

[opal stream]

hood

[atomic abyss]

^

[sly solar]

I have Hakuryuu at max dev level is she worth using?

[vale spindle]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

absolutely

[sly solar]

Even if not at max fate?

[atomic abyss]

yes

[sly solar]

Roger, much appreciated

[maiden crown]

should i get roon μ with my core data or are there other things i should be getting?

[atomic abyss]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[jaunty vault]

definitely not room

[eternal basalt]

Roon though

[left tiger]

Is it worth using general blueprint for fdg?

[atomic abyss]

no

[undone plover]

season 2 sure. anything else no

[atomic abyss]

season 2 or season 3 rainbow BPs yes

season 4, 5 and 6 ones no

you can coin FDG BPs

[eternal basalt]

You cannot use general bp on FdG

[sharp token]

is shinano chan good?

[atomic abyss]

the main thing good about her is that she retains the 9 plains of her older self
nothing much else is particularly notable however

decent, sure
not exactly meta changing ofc

[soft raft]

Pretty good for a chibi ship but that's not really saying much in comparison to other carriers

[eager mulch]

meta defining cuteness

[stable badger]

who should replace Kazagumo? use her for CV buff. but she dies quite a bit during boss fight. ch15

[eager mulch]

jean de arc

[jaunty vault]

jeanne d'arc

use NJ flag

[eager mulch]

[jaunty vault]

would use guam in mob

[stable badger]

does it matter? was also looking at maybe putting NJ into mob fleet and Musashi into boss

[eager mulch]

ply buff doing nothing without NJ flag

[jaunty vault]

NJ isnt the best mobber

[stable badger]

this mob

[jaunty vault]

Musashi is arguably the best mob flagship for w15

[stable badger]

ah.

[jaunty vault]

tho if youve got soyuz, you should use her over NJ

[stable badger]

should i switch Brest and Guam too? between fleets? or even take Brest out? don't have Shimanto leveled though

[jaunty vault]

does your mob fleet survive mob fights

how do you go around clearing/what fleet fights what/are you going for3star lethal
also what stage are you at

[stable badger]

just unlocked 15-4. in 15-3 i had issues with 3 star main and carriers. escorts were a breeze. lucky, i had enough escorts or 2star mains/carriers. need to switch San Diego around after 4-5 fights when she gets to low HP

[thorn tartan]

Harmony u Ticket: changes the BGM when equipped. What does that mean?

[stable badger]

but Brest and Lafey survive without issues. Especially after i put a mountain meowfficer on the fleet

[eager mulch]

plays music in battle

[thorn tartan]

that sounds fun. it would be nice if it did something practical

[stable badger]

also gives Hit stat on an aux. that can be put on CVs. that's pretty rare

[thorn tartan]

oh cool. so it's not bad on a cv?

[eager mulch]

steam cata is just better

[thorn tartan]

but the music doesn't change.....

i have to go back to 12-4 for awhile, playing the event has made me broke

[stable badger]

i remember when this cube came out, everyone put it on their Enterprise

[thorn tartan]

where can i get that!

[atomic abyss]

collab limited

like... 4 years ago collab limited

back when kizuna ai was actually relevant

[worldly lion]

do we have a fleetbuilding help channel?

[eager mulch]

powercreep happened

[vale spindle]

yes its this one

[atomic abyss]

nope
just open a thread if needed

[worldly lion]

Oh gotcha! Thanks

[thorn tartan]

what's a normal amount of vouchers for a full opsi play thru? 10k?

[jaunty vault]

• make laff2 offtank always
• use guam+unzen+jda for boss fleet if no jda, plymouth could work(brest/sandy/unzen worked for me but i only fought 1 boss with boss fleet)
• do /w15 in bot spam for example fleets and tips
• if you cleared 15-3, 15-4 should be fine, just avoid biforce and triforce main fleet enemies out of ammo

[jaunty vault]

10k is normal yea

[inland shoal]

Somewhere from 10-15k is normal imo

[thorn tartan]

what ship is jda?

[atomic abyss]

light cruiser

[jaunty vault]

jeanne d'arc

[inland shoal]

Jeanne d'Arc

[atomic abyss]

/wiki jeanne

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Jeanne_d'Arc
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Jeanne_d'Arc/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Jeanne_d'Arc/Gallery

May 1, 2024, 6:35 PM

[stable badger]

shoot. forgot to change her gear for 15 xD

there. much better for ch15

[eager mulch]

AA radar is bad

[thorn tartan]

i'm going to go get jda.

[turbid dawn]

Just doing CM, is there a better backline I can use over NJ, because she seems to be really slacking and I don't think I'd be able to do hardest difficulty with this setup

[eager mulch]

id rather have a torp bulge over aa radar on jda in w15

[stable badger]

you need all the AA for ch15. i'm actually stingy for not doing +13 a couple of them

[eager mulch]

AA isnt the only threat in w15

[uneven geyser]

do i have to play all the different karaoke for the 7 rewards? or just play the same one 7 time for atleast B tier?
in the event minigame

[stable badger]

i mean... she's going in the middle of the vanguard...what torps will she eat from there

[eager mulch]

shes still gonna eat shit from torps

[vale spindle]

How much time did you spend for this one

[soft raft]

you will be surprised on how many torps the middle position will eat in W15

[turbid dawn]

3:44

[vale spindle]

Cause if you cleared in 5-7 min then NJ should be fine provided gear is similar to other two

If anything you might lose cause of the vanguard fleet not lasting the full 10 min over not hitting the dps check

[jaunty vault]

alternative fleet if you feel BB fleet wont work

[stable badger]

what gear should i put on Soyuz? i see light and medium armor in the ch15-4 boss description

[jaunty vault]

subs can be whatever
can use helena instead of plymouth

[cinder kelp]

Hello, când any1 suggest a vanguard line for a 3 US cv fleet backline. Preferably all of them from US?

[jaunty vault]

457/ champy

[eager mulch]

Guam/laffii, helena, north2

[jaunty vault]

first boss is 2 DDs
second boss is zuikaku
3rd boss is zuikaku+2DDs

[jaunty vault]

whats your CV backline

[cinder kelp]

@eager mulch would Balti not help them with buff avi skill?

[eager mulch]

avi buff means nothing if your ships miss

[worldly lion]

I'm really undecided who to build next. Planning to tackle W13 as well as do better in OS. These are my current units which I invested into. Up until now, I just put up a team myself which just hit a wall in OS C7 campaign and W13. Would really appreciate if someone can help with fleet building specifically for W13 and OS as well as good ship investments.

Notes: Recently got Independence and Sirius since I heard they're good. Finished FdG research and moved on to series 4 (catch up is Anchorage) Not many URs yet 😦 but I saved up a pity and bulins to max the next UR.

[stable badger]

this fine? what about aux/augument?

[jaunty vault]

thats fine
including aug

[vale spindle]

If by OS c7 you mean the abyssal zone then you can leave to heal, then come back on normal difficulty

Without the boss regaining hp

based on your existing ships world 13 is very doable

[cinder kelp]

Enty, York 2 and Hornet 2

[jaunty vault]

have you read the /w15 bot command

[stable badger]

nope. watched some guides on youtube. but they are pretty old. pre-Soyuz event

[jaunty vault]

thats arbiter

[worldly lion]

Oh so that's a thing huh. I thought people were one-shotting the abyssal zones. I know that's not up my alley but it takes like 2-3 rest/regroup to defeat the minibosses

[jaunty vault]

that might be stronghold youre talking about

[vale spindle]

I got terminology mixed up fuck

[worldly lion]

Yea that one too. There's another that just has one single boss enemy

[vale spindle]

For strongholds and arbiter (normal difficulty) you get infinite tries cause theres no penalty for leaving to heal and coming back

[worldly lion]

Yea that's good to know.

[vale spindle]

obviously well invested accounts can one shot but you arent there yet which is fine dont worry about it

[worldly lion]

But im more concerned with W13. That planes in that stage is nuts

Tried it once and never returned again lol

[vale spindle]

do you have a little cheshire, big cheshire, or juneau retrofit lying around

[vale apex]

how do you know if its a low AA ship

[thorn tartan]

is formidable u better than normal formidable?

[vale spindle]

If you sort by AA on the wiki and its low, or their gun efficiency is low

[atomic abyss]

aa stat and aa gun efficiency

[jaunty vault]

give it a read if you have time
then again the fleets in there are preSoyuzn event too

[worldly lion]

I believe I have both

[vale spindle]

As a support idol is worse
as a damage dealer idol can be better if u can activate the preload else slightly worse too xd

[vale spindle]

big cheshire only needs dev 15 btw

[sharp token]

the new aux gear where should i put that?

[vale spindle]

But assuming you have at least a dev 15 big cheshire

[vale apex]

which wiki

[jaunty vault]

sam, theyve got san diego retrofitted

[worldly lion]

Oh ok. Any alternatives tho?

[steady beacon]

The towels? Fundamentally they are just second toolkits, so in general just as HP aux for DDs
There might be other, specialised uses for them elsewhere but that's getting a little ahead of myself

[vale apex]

is AA aviation

nvm got it im stupid

[worldly lion]

Sadly I used my BPs on Odin....

[vale spindle]

As i said little cheshire and juneau retrofit both work as alternatives

[worldly lion]

copy. Thanks

[sharp token]

no the new one the thing that just got dropped, that has AA and Hit stat

[vale apex]

how much is considered low AA

[vale spindle]

nj + enty + essex | hein + helena + sandy

formi/indep retrofit/odin + saratoga retrofit + unicorn | roon u + cheshire/littlecheshire/juneau retrofit + saint/london

should be good enough assuming gear is decently good

[worldly lion]

I just noticed I was talking to the gigachad guide maker. Your guides are great help. Thank you man

[jaunty vault]

100 AA stat with 50% AA efficiency and no AA skills and only 1 AA gun mount is bad AA

[steady beacon]

Oh, do you mean the reward for the 7th day of karaoke?
Just ignore it, it's not generally worth using

[soft raft]

isnt that furniture?

[jaunty vault]

no

[steady beacon]

The furniture is from the stamp collection

[soft raft]

Oh right

[vale spindle]

Unless they are at 400 stat or have big efficiency or multiple mounts its low imo

[jaunty vault]

low doesn't mean bad

[knotty dome]

is there a way to sync off-flag uvh to normal bb like bzwei with champy?

[eager mulch]

give them the same gun, they sync for half the time

[knotty dome]

i see, thanks

[worldly lion]

Tenrai is the top prio in protocore shop right

[jaunty vault]

not really

[eager mulch]

champy guns are higher imo

[vale apex]

nvm ill just ask here, which of these have low aa - javelin gumo friedrichcarl helena portland cleveland soyuz hood nelson enty indep sara

[worldly lion]

ah... sht.

[jaunty vault]

champy guns and BF-109Gs

[opal stream]

give more context than just aa comparision

[worldly lion]

I jumped the gun and bought 45. ah itiswatitis

[vale apex]

im just asking to decide which aa gun to put on them coz the guide divides based on low aa and everything else

[soft raft]

You're kinda overthinking this
Sextuple, UR AA, or Roomba on AA Carry lvl ships
American Quad bofors or Italian Twin on literally everyone other vanguard
STAAG/Haze for your backline

[opal stream]

you can ignore than whole thing and slap the same gun on everyone
its for minmaxing

[soft raft]

Accelerator guns outside of STAAG, Haze, and UR AA barely see any use and the min-maxxing from using those is very miniscule

[vale apex]

oh

alright then thanks

[knotty dome]

uvh seems pretty fast still and goes ahead of bz for example but it'd be best if she goes after they get sucked into the black hole right? do i just have to cope with autoloader or forgo it and just be happy uvh lands inside the helena window?

[jaunty vault]

latter

could give her a slower gun

[opal stream]

you can try different guns
if you even have them

[knotty dome]

i dont think soyuz gun is an option in the bb calculator

[opal stream]

manually input the cd

[steady beacon]

Enter the time manually

[jaunty vault]

traneptora calc?

[knotty dome]

yeah. didnt notice the manual thing let me try that

[jaunty vault]

smh bomb be slacking

[clear shadow]

guys hello

[jaunty vault]

hi

[clear shadow]

how i can to are in a guild?

[atomic abyss]

I am going to assume Spanish is your first language

[opal stream]

you mean join a guild?

[atomic abyss]

as such, you might want to check out #international-port if you want to find a spanish speaking Azur Lane community/guild

otherwise you might have difficulty communicating in english

[turbid dawn]

There is no way I just wiped on .25% hp left, is there anyway I can make Hinden tankier as she dies around 5m in

[atomic abyss]

im assuming you mean unzen rather than hinden
in that case, another evasion aux

[wind hazel]

let ply tank

[worldly pewter]

0.25%

[steady beacon]

Ngl, of those 3 vanguards, why in the blazes is Unzen tanking

[jaunty vault]

is that the HE CA gun

[turbid dawn]

Yeah, idk why I said Hinden, but you think eva is better then the constant heal?

[wind hazel]

nah double eva probably die faster

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

unzen is the tankiest out of those three

[turbid dawn]

Yes

[steady beacon]

[atomic abyss]

i don't think toolbox healing affects it that much right...?

[opal stream]

it does

[wind hazel]

long fight it's kinda crucial

[turbid dawn]

Hinden is using the Hiden gun+Drake gun, I don't have anything better thats +13

[opal stream]

1 min = 4%
10 min = 40%

[jaunty vault]

you could just use the other fleet i linked

[turbid dawn]

What fleet is that?

[opal stream]

cv

[jaunty vault]

#gameplay-help message

also read the next message

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I genuinely expected better from Hindenburg
But Mebot does conclude Ply slightly tankier than Unzen...
So... is it just the specific attacks Takao uses that makes Unzen tankier this fight or something?

[atomic abyss]

torps?

[turbid dawn]

I don't have Implac

[opal stream]

mebot dont do shields

[turbid dawn]

And as a result don't have the anti-light/med planes either

[half plover]

guys should I buy enterprise from the monthly medal CR SV and get another one later from the beginner missions reward?

or is another one more important

[wind hazel]

enty good, buy her

[steady beacon]

... damn, we can rely on Unzen's bullet shield
The things one learns

[half plover]

I didnt marry a ship yet to claim the beginner missions reward

[soft raft]

Get enterprise from medal
then get Hood (if you havent already got her) from the rookie missions reward
Otherwise San Diego > Illustrious from that

[opal stream]

you can ingore the the missions and be fine so

[half plover]

alr ty, it is san diego then

[wind hazel]

[half plover]

but isnt she too expensive to build bc of the 2000 prototype things

[wind hazel]

you can skip sandy if you're still like midgame at best

[jaunty vault]

b-but those planes were from york2 event

[wind hazel]

buying her would only mean -1 dockspace for you

[opal stream]

you can skip sandy entirely

[turbid dawn]

Oh well, I don't have YorkII either lol, I don't have anything between Kron-BisZ

[wind hazel]

+13 your rudder, manual

[opal stream]

ap rockets exist

[soft raft]

better to have her taking up space in your dock now than later when you need her (W13 and W15) and medal shop RNG never puts CL in rotation

The retrofit is fairly expensive, but that's not something you'd do early game where she isnt as necessary

[turbid dawn]

But +13 is better for dmg auxes, ew. And yeah I have 3 +13 german rockets but thats its for anti light CV stuff I have. Best CV comp I have is AVP, Hark and Shinano, but I I only mostly have anti-heavy stuff

[wind hazel]

i'd rather have a sirius in dock than sandy

[opal stream]

w13 and above is technically optional content cuz you dont farm there

[jaunty vault]

current CM is medium armour so good for you

could work around implac using avp

or just hope for a good BB fleet roll

[opal stream]

avp will desync hard after a while
she probably be better launching last

[jaunty vault]

maybe use a CB instead of unzen

what gear is on your backline anyways

[turbid dawn]

Yeah I'm just trying Agir rn it looks like it'll be np

[sharp token]

for shinano should i use 2 torp bomber 1 dive bomber or 2 dive bomber 1 torp bomber or just use the standard?

[turbid dawn]

Ye just over 7m it took

[steady beacon]

This for a boss?

[jaunty vault]

depends from scenario to scenario

[sharp token]

yes

[opal stream]

gearing is aways content dependent

[jaunty vault]

tho you practically never use 2DBs

[turbid dawn]

Also gear wise, all used same idea for setup, Soyuz had HPFCR instead of auto loader and BisZ had 2 shells

[steady beacon]

For boss, you configure slot 1 for enemy armour

[opal stream]

algm
double db meta

[jaunty vault]

dont remember

[steady beacon]

I thought we all cheated by just using BisZwei

[jaunty vault]

dont remember

[opal stream]

double skyraider haku

[jaunty vault]

mash got them hacks

[sharp token]

what do you mean?

[steady beacon]

General principle (which is subject to changes in some situations, as Mashiron points out)
TB/DB/TB vs heavy
Rocket fighter/DB/TB vs light/medium
But again, there are occasions where you will vary

[verbal mulch]

What do we use in Chapter 15 support fleets for the optimal team?

[eager mulch]

implac + 2 illustrious class

[soft raft]

Illustrious/Implacable/Indomitable

[verbal mulch]

Thanks, I took a break from AL and forgot a bunch of stuff 😅

[steady beacon]

Instructions unclear, so I went Implac/Formidable/Formidable Muse

[eager mulch]

hell yeah

[signal plover]

Ouch
Thx btw
I'll go crying in a corner with my beloved formi

[opal stream]

formi got a downgrade 😔

[signal plover]

Every formi is an upgrade in my heart

Still waiting for oath

[flint scroll]

any recommended lineup for world 11

[opal stream]

the same for w10

w12 is when you need some aa

[flint scroll]

gotcha

is guam more of a mob or boss tank

[normal crane]

Can i use Prinz Heinrich instead of Portland?

[sweet delta]

Musashi is arguably the best boss flagship for w15 too

[soft raft]

depends on if you can spare the gold bullins to raise Heinrich or not
depends on what other SRs you have right now

[thick ferry]

So I built a few black torps for pvp. For everything else though, is it worth running black torp + tea torps over rainbow mags? What about vs the gold mags?

[sweet delta]

You can, but it's not worth spending 3 or 4 gold bulins for it

[normal crane]

She's already mlb

[soft raft]

for PvE it's German Quad Mag == Rainbow Quint mag >>>>> Everything else

[sweet delta]

KMS gold quad magnetic is the best for almost all auto gameplay

[thick ferry]

Coolio

[normal crane]

Here's what I have

[jaunty vault]

[soft raft]

I meant your SRs in general, not just the CA category but okay
None of the other SRs in that screenshot are worth it over Heinrich anyways

[soft raft]

Volga, Essex (Maybe), Nubian, and Kiev are the only ones I can think of that would be worth raising out of the SRs

Also why are you using non MLB URs

[normal crane]

It just I'm more comfortable using new jersey for some reason

[sweet delta]

MLB Vanguard on the side: 💀

[normal crane]

So I can also use Nubian instead of z23 in the future?

[normal crane]

Well I'm still at 9-2 so yeah not really having much trouble rn😭

[tiny kettle]

i basically have a habit of keeping all limited ships (like collab ships), even excess ones. for example i have 4 princess himes. is there any point for that or is it just taking up space?

[sweet delta]

You can, but you could have better DPS DDs than Nubian by the time you can afford gold bulins for her

[soft raft]

that's just taking up space
use the dupes to limit break
if already MLB (Or if you dont give a shit about limit breaking them and never plan on using them), scrap

[tiny kettle]

alright, thanks

[rose whale]

I remember they said meta ships will be moved to a separated dock, anyone know when will this happen? I'm so desperate for dock slot...

[eager mulch]

no eta given

[rose whale]

Thanks. Wish the game still accepting my country's credit card...

[viscid swift]

they said sometime in May, nothing beyond that

[jaunty vault]

think there was an official website where you could spend your money for ingame purchases

[clear shadow]

yes, it's correct

[clear shadow]

yep

[silk sphinx]

What’s best antimed yorkii/kear setup again?

And not for cm specifically

[blissful atlas]

ight i got 2 k core do i finally buy roon muse or ur type 93 torp
or do i buy another white/blck/brit shell

[eager mulch]

more shells, room and oxytorp are shit

[blissful atlas]

i use reg roon and was told muse is an upgrade but ty for the heads up

[eager mulch]

big opportunity cost

[marble arrow]

hello -- i would like to know if there is a pity system on ship building? like should i save up for an X number of cube before summoning on an event banner?

[eager mulch]

theres only "pity" on UR banners so you should be saving, its 400 cubes worth of builds

[marble arrow]

and the pity doesnt carry over on another?

[eager mulch]

no it does not

[marble arrow]

so i just have to use all 400 cubes on event banner and i get a UR selection right?

[eager mulch]

its less of a pity and more of a spark where you can claim the UR ship after 200 builds regardless of if you got it earlier or not

only on UR banners

[marble arrow]

I see. im not sure but does the current event banner count as UR banner?

[soft raft]

No

[eager mulch]

no it is not

[marble arrow]

ok thank you. may i know when is the next one? sorry -- or maybe if there's a pin i could look at for this info.

[eager mulch]

late may is the prediction

[primal obsidian]

theres also perma "pity" , all non-UR events and regular builds count towards it, as of now you can choose between shinano/new jersey after you've accumulated 400 points

[eager mulch]

perma pity should just be ignored, its just a waste

[marble arrow]

is new jersey still a good ship?

[eager mulch]

yes, when mlb

[marble arrow]

i have just started the game 4 days in.

sorry what is mlb..

[primal obsidian]

max limit break

[soft raft]

Max Limit Break
IE Full stars

[marble arrow]

got it. thanks guys for the infos

lot goin on on the game. im just doin anything that is doable and saving my resources

late May is good timing for me to still farm for more cubes until it comes

[eager mulch]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[marble arrow]

i followed some tips earlier too - like getting some ships using the guild coins..?

i got like helena, and the other one i forgot. lol.

[marble arrow]

oh thats the same guide i followed. helena - unicorn - pen and portland

[whole jolt]

Guys where can I see any type of progress so I know how close I am to keeping the event npc ship

[iron nacelle]

Does the comfort number have a max in the dorms or how can I continue to increase it when everything I could buy adds +0 comfort?

[eager mulch]

it has diminishing returns, nothing you can really do aside from buying furniture with gems

i wouldnt put too much thought into it at that point

[iron nacelle]

Ok that is what I figured thanks for the reply.

[blissful atlas]

is it worth using the super heavy armor on guam vs other defensive gear?

[eager mulch]

if there isnt any significant plane or torpedo damage

[whole jolt]

Thank ya

[soft raft]

But even then 99% there's barely a use for it

[whole jolt]

But is Shinano Chan even worth grinding for?

[soft raft]

outside of collection? No not really
She's good for a chibi ship but that doesnt really mean much

[eager mulch]

shes very cute

[whole jolt]

Aha so shes useless

[eager mulch]

[whole jolt]

Okay well then she is not relevant to me

[hollow gust]

For a beginner she is very good

[ivory crown]

what are these for

[forest palm]

asmr audio files you can buy with gems

[ivory crown]

💀

[undone plover]

u also get 1 secret ticket per month. so in 3 months u can get one for free

[blissful atlas]

prob a stupid question but are there any cv or cvl that has only one type of plane config

[soft raft]

afaik no not really
And if there are any, they're most likely shit enough that they arent worth remembering

[terse helm]

Does the vit-2 have any specific use cases or is it just a good general use parallel bomber?

[lyric stump]

anyone ehre worth 125/120?

[blissful atlas]

ik york town 2 has a flex slot only one that ik of atm that has at least 2 of the same

[forest palm]

in between of a Barracuda, and a Wyvern

[soft raft]

A flex slot is not the same thing as a carrier that can only use one type of airplane which sounds like what you were asking about

[blissful atlas]

i mean she can use 2 f/t? was basically wondering if there's one that has 3 fighters/bombers/torp
even if thats not there intended like how yt2 has a flex slot

[soft raft]

no I dont think so
and even then that kinda sounds pretty impractical

[undone plover]

Does chen hai count pre retro

[eternal moth]

Shinano and Haku both have flex slots, as does Imp

[jaunty vault]

theyre asking if theres a ship that can only equip one type of plane

[blissful atlas]

i like stand out characters there interesting no plan on using it just seeing if its a thing

[eternal moth]

Hermes can only equip TBs

[jaunty vault]

chen hai(pre retro) and hwah jah
seaplanes only

[elfin hollow]

Which one should I get?? @steady beacon

[blissful atlas]

i guess that plane that forces the airstrike into only bombers counts as well

[jaunty vault]

why ping the guy

[elfin hollow]

:3

Wait, unless you can choose for me!

[blissful atlas]

so the max seems to be 2 of the same not 3 intresting

[eternal moth]

I'd recommend Hood

Nobody has 3 slots of the same plane, no

[undone plover]

Grab hood (unless u already have 2 top tier BB) and at the end of the month grab z46 for kms tech

[jaunty vault]

i dont wanna answer you cause you pinged pilica

[elfin hollow]

Okay. I won’t interact either!

[forest palm]

[elfin hollow]

How come? Is she really good?

[blissful atlas]

so other then the plane that forces your airstrike into one plane no way to get a full as of the same good to know thanks all who chated with me

[undone plover]

If you mean 3 slots by full, yes

[eternal moth]

I have no idea what you're talking about. The plane that forces your airstrike into one plane?

[jaunty vault]

wdym forced into one airstrike

[blissful atlas]

i forget what plane it is but it changes your entire as into a bombing squadron

[soft raft]

Pretty good BB for a early-mid game player until you get UR BBs like FdG and NJ
And relatively acessible from medal shop or rookie missions reward

[blissful atlas]

tbd devastator
the second airstrike and onward are replaced with grumman tbf avengers

[jaunty vault]

lol

[eternal moth]

But that plane doesn't do that

[blissful atlas]

Am I mis understanding this then

[soft raft]

This aircraft
That does not refer to all of the planes equipped

[blissful atlas]

ah thought it replaced the antire as mb

be cool if it did tho be unique

[hollow gust]

It would suck balls

[blissful atlas]

it already does

[hollow gust]

[jaunty vault]

kekw

[jaunty vault]

anyways Hermes, chen hai and hwah jah should fit the criteria of your question

[blissful atlas]

kinda ya and yt2 was hoping there was one that had 3 of the same but ow i just like stand out things or things that do the same thing but a different way its why i like the tempesta ships i guess ( rf needs an augment og)

[jaunty vault]

nuh uh

might i interest you in SSSS collab characters

[blissful atlas]

side not does it turn them into an exclusive sr version or does it downgrade them to the elite version

[jaunty vault]

better

check the wiki for numbers

[blissful atlas]

Working on maximizing them atm

[jaunty vault]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Torpedo_Squadron_8_(VT-8)#TBD-0

[blissful atlas]

so ya it turns into an exclusive version of that aircraft

interesting

still better of using somthing els i think tho

[jaunty vault]

yes

no one uses that plane

[blissful atlas]

would be cool if it turned it into a fighter, then there would be a use for the f2a buffalo. not a good use but a better use then it has

[hollow gust]

I got a stroke reading that

[blissful atlas]

run on sentence fixed happy why is everyone a literary major in a casual chat system

[glass quest]

yo is Hindenburg better for mobbing or bossing

[soft raft]

Because people generally like to have a smooth reading experience?

[soft raft]

Technically she works fine in both but I've mostly seen her being used in mob

[glass quest]

alright ty man I appreciate it

[rocky fjord]

is pretty squishy for some bossing content, can be tough to run

[stone sluice]

Got my first Wyvern but I have just 1 T1 aircraft part. There is a specific place where those grey parts have a guaranteed drop?

[rocky fjord]

event and w12-

[blissful atlas]

is the cyanidin support towel worth using seems kinda mid?

[south sequoia]

It is worth using, if anything its one of the better gold hp auxes