gameplay-help

[undone yacht]

im at 12-1

[whole crypt]

12-1 works too

[undone yacht]

let me send my team rn

[undone plover]

@worldly pewter fwiw a +13 ryuusei will do ~35% more damage than a +10 wyvern that hits 2 torps

[worldly pewter]

is the next arbiter heavy armor ?

[undone plover]

Strength. she is medium

[vagrant otter]

as a new player, should I also farm event stages or just focus on the story?

[rain vine]

event

[worldly pewter]

i only have 1 ryuusei so far so i m kinda saved i guess

[wispy pendant]

the operation siren wiki shows the arbiters by month. Harbiter in May is Medium Armor and has this kit:

[maiden wagon]

Um why does it show this?, is this not infinite stacking? o.o

[rain vine]

you hit monthly limit

[wispy pendant]

limit per month, wait two days if you want

[maiden wagon]

ah ok

[undone plover]

I would use strasser, bismarck , UvH. they are a bit underlevelled though. 0 LB UvH might be a struggle but if the map is safe and your vanguard is decent shouldnt be too hard. if not u can yeet UvH and run unicorn or another strong ship to carry em. or just farm event if u still need tokens. dont MLB her though wait for May UR before deciding.

[undone yacht]

im currently mlb soyuz but maybe may will change my mind but ok

[rain vine]

just mlb soyuz

[undone plover]

MLB soyuz is fine

[vapid orchid]

So who’s better
Normal Eugen or Idol Eugen?

[rain vine]

idol, but thats not saying a whole lot

[vapid orchid]

I’m just trying to figure this out so I don’t put a bunch of effort into Idol Eugen and find out she’s worse than the original

[vapid orchid]

K thanks

[whole crypt]

"better than OG Eugen" isn't really a strong reason to raise her
at least Eugen gives tech, Eugem doesn't

[undone yacht]

should i beat event before doing FdG stuff?

[rain vine]

just beat event stuff while grinding fdg exp

[viscid swift]

It's the equivalent of choosing between 2 very moldy pieces of bread, one may be slightly less moldy than the other but they're both still bad.

[undone yacht]

ok

i need gear help tho

[rain vine]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[undone yacht]

i mean i tried using that but i get confused easily

[rain vine]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[soft raft]

*Be sure to read the gear descriptions on ECTL
Highest does not always mean best

[undone yacht]

ok

[worldly pewter]

the charts for the gears are quite detailed though
hard to get confused if u are patient while reading

btw the other day i found another typo somewhere and i forgot to mention it

i forgot where is it now

[south sequoia]

If you ever find it contact the people credited on the image and bring it up to them

[sinful elk]

After i bought the white and black shells what should i go for next

[whole crypt]

do you have 3 sets of them

[sinful elk]

I think only one since i bought them from shop

[rain vine]

then save for 2 more copies of each

[whole crypt]

also, Independence

[sinful elk]

Nah i think volga and unicorn can carry me

[whole crypt]

well you can use 2 fleets

[sinful elk]

Also for gear lab, stuffs are way too much so do we got a tier list of them

[rain vine]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[sage nebula]

.

[whole crypt]

it should

[sage nebula]

ok, so shimanto's salvos would get buffed?

[whole crypt]

by Moshiro probably
but torp memes are kind of cope

[worldly pewter]

i doubt that they are enough unicorn will be killing u in opsi against bosses

[sage nebula]

noshiro muse isnt a cope, she is really strong

[south sequoia]

Torp meme and torpedos are strong but building a whole fleet around torp meme is the cope part

[sage nebula]

you dont need to build around her, she comes with all the self-buffs and debuffs to independently do great damage

[whole crypt]

except you can probably get more damage than her buff does just by using a better CL

[sage nebula]

my mistake. you're right. because she is not the best CL, she is not good

[sinful elk]

My main fleet in opsi consist of volga, theseus and nj which i feel they are quiet effective 🤔

[whole crypt]

I mean that depends on what your measure of good is

most of the game isn't hard enough to need top ships but that doesn't make moshiro good in hard content

[sinful elk]

Btw do i buy everything in the opsi shop when its about to reset?

[whole crypt]

you don't have to buy rubbish like adapts, probably not META stuff as well

[undone plover]

also avoid the repair kits

[sinful elk]

Then what should i buy 💀

[rain vine]

buy the rainbow stuff

[whole crypt]

if you're done with gold plates, lab materials and all the coordinate items you're mostly fine

if you're worrying about your excess currency that's how you get your vouchers for exchange shop

[sinful elk]

Vouchers?

[worldly pewter]

for starting out and not tackling some mid to high level content in the game mode i think u should be good with anything for now
it will be later when u want to have some dps checks and that is when u will find urself missing independence

[south sequoia]

Excess opsi currencies and some materials get converted into vouchers which you can use to buy in the opsi voucher shop

[undone plover]

u need to finish opsi story (at least ch4 i think) to unlock the reset though so make sure u have done so

[sinful elk]

Alright i got it

[sinful elk]

Can shinano replace her tho?

[worldly pewter]

dps wise UR ships will win most of the time it is just the cost performance difference here

[undone plover]

independence is one of the best mobbing CV(L)s u can use.
shinano is an amazing CV but most of the time she is wasted if u run her in mob. u ideally want to use her with hakuryuu in some bossing fleet

[whole crypt]

Independence is still a good carrier, you'll probably find use for her at some point
you can raise more ships than your "top fleet", there's still things like fleet tech to raise, as well as just giving yourself options

[sinful elk]

Ah yeah eagle tech point i need that.. so i guess i'll buy her later

Also the proficency rate in the lecture hall is randomized?

[worldly pewter]

look at her such a hardworking girl

[sinful elk]

Sometime its 11% or 22%

[viscid swift]

Proficiency is doubled on Sundays

[worldly pewter]

no

[hushed dawn]

Who's generally better between Mainz or Emden (this might be an unfair comparison)?

[worldly pewter]

wait isn't it increased by levels

[viscid swift]

It is

[sinful elk]

Nah i played at night and its 22% but when i woke up its 12%

[viscid swift]

I'd pick Emden

[south sequoia]

I concur

[worldly pewter]

so for someone who has a maxed lecture hall they get 44% ?

[whole crypt]

proficiency % doesn't matter later in the game anyway

[worldly pewter]

[sinful elk]

Well i do need those rn to get saint louis in the fleets

[frank pulsar]

exp pack dont contribute to combat data

[whole crypt]

unless you mean to level saint louis up for use, but not a priority anyway

[lament tree]

What happens when morale reaches zero?

[worldly pewter]

ships get half exp

and u can't auto anymore

[whole crypt]

half xp, lose affinity, game interrupts auto to tell you 0 morale

[worldly pewter]

u lose affinity too ?

[hushed dawn]

Pretty sure that's how you get Upset lines.

[lament tree]

Can I get some advice for building a second fleet?

Also would like to start working on a research ship as well since I unlocked that feature

[worldly pewter]

start from the first series of research
if u are missing a lot of iron blood tech points roon is a good starting point to move to the second series to get fdg

[soft raft]

Post your dock in a thread, and as for research, go give this a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[eternal moth]

Trying to figure out if this actually means anything. Fight against Miryuu, Soyuz > Musashi. Sushi has the gaming table, so does this mean she's actually third-best BB?

[viscid swift]

well for a start by how much did this comp overkill?

[sweet delta]

For a start who shot first?

[eternal moth]

Bisco

And it was vanguards that killed, so each had the same number of volleys

[viscid swift]

so each BB got off 3 full salvos

[sweet delta]

So Musashi didn't get much black hole

[warm flax]

is hinden really that strong? or bc of buff

[sweet delta]

You can already see Bisz somehow doing 23% more than soyuz before ply

[eternal moth]

Yeah, she was nearly Musashi's damage when I had her off-flag

[viscid swift]

yeah, Souyuz and Musashi aren't even competeing for the same niche once we really get down to it

[clever wyvern]

Hello who shud i get in the medal shop?

[sweet delta]

rainbow BB niche

[eternal moth]

I think top comp should be Soyuz/Bisco/Vanguard, since that seems to be the fastest. This setup is a few seconds slower

[warm flax]

Sirius personally then save em medals

[clever wyvern]

Okie

Thank you 🙏

[eternal moth]

Another run, same basic results. Unzen has tank auxes instead of damage, since I didn't change her from my Modney setup

[soft raft]

• Z46 if you need iron blood tech points
• San Diego is good AA for later worlds but can be obtainable from rookie missions if you already have Hood and Enterprise
• Sirius is top OpSi CV support, kinda low prio if you're new
• And the rest is basically just tech points

[lament tree]

OK, I made a thread. As research ships, I wanted to pick roon but I'm one ship short so I grabbed ST. Louis instead

[clever wyvern]

Okay thank you

[eternal moth]

Yes, Hinden is really that strong. Unzen would be doing a lot more, but she has tank aux on

So does Ply, actually.

[sweet delta]

only Hindenburg and CB gun users can get this score in EX

[eternal moth]

This was against med. armor, so I don't know if damage results would change against heavy

[south sequoia]

do you have a vid perchance

[eternal moth]

I think this proves that we need a better IJN main gun

[sweet delta]

Video is boring, just 4 minutes of dodging with aegir https://youtu.be/xb1njo0pvj4

[lament tree]

Is buying gem packs to expand my dock worth it

[eternal moth]

That's really up to you. Buying gems directly is, AFAIK, the best value, assuming you're getting the double gems for first purchase

Dock space is good though

[fringe smelt]

guys? why is it not going down at all?

[wispy pendant]

Heal adds need to be killed immediately

[sweet delta]

Restart the game and/or wait an hour

[karmic elm]

What's standard uss anti-light?

[south sequoia]

Kear York2 Implac
Insert vanguard here

[soft raft]

And if Implac is busy in another CV Fleet or you don't have her, AvP instead

[silk sphinx]

with anti light specifically you'd use aurora as well, with some tank (Guam is great for concealment).

sirius would also do very well ofc

[karmic elm]

Aurora or Avrora?

[south sequoia]

Aurora, it's anti light
Avrora wouldn't have a place there

[warm flax]

What vanguard hull type should I be focusing on for tech

[karmic elm]

Aurora, laffii, Hindenburg for van (HE)?

Yuki hard is the goal, monthly chalkenge

[south sequoia]

Helena and Plymouth

[steady beacon]

Hmmm... the ones you use the most/find most useful...

[silk sphinx]

You want vanguard tech? Go for FP. DD benefits most due to their low starting fp values, but depends on how much you use them too. I use a lot of cls so I did cl fp as a prio. Also ca/cb fp

[sweet delta]

Note that to "brute force" it, you'd need your CVs to be 20s or faster

[karmic elm]

Yeah because of the heal. I wonder if i can replace kear for Soyuz since her iceberg kills the heals and can proc it every 20.19 sec

[elfin hollow]

Which are the best CA CB ships for opsi??

[stark quiver]

between enty and haku, whos better for antilight

[soft raft]

Anchorage, Hindenburg, and Drake, and every CB that isnt Kala

Drake might be a bit eh since CBs exist and Hindenburg powercrept her hard but she's still very solid

[icy mountain]

is twin 210mm kai better than the non kai version of the gun?

[steady beacon]

No idea what a 210 is but... I certainly can't think of any examples of a Kai version weapon that's worse, at least...

[eternal moth]

You mean twin 410 kai?

If so, yes, but it's a fairly minor increase.

[icy mountain]

this one

[steady beacon]

So the Twin 410
Then as Hamaal said yes

[icy mountain]

this gun is also used on musashi right?

since i plan on pulling on musashi rerun anyways

might as well get the gun

[eternal moth]

You realize she may not be coming for another year or so right?

[elfin hollow]

How about agïr

[elfin hollow]

Haku

[steady beacon]

Hmmm, I don't really want to go into expected numbers, so I'd probably prefer to say that the better option depends on the rest of your fleet, in terms of meeting faction reqs and so on...
Both can more than competently handle anti-light, I'll say that much

[eternal moth]

It's worth making one or 2 if you're using twin 410 already, but it's not a big damage boost

[icy mountain]

thats fine enough time to grind for everything

[soft raft]

Every CB that isnt Kala
Agir is a CB

[elfin hollow]

Is kala that shitty?

[eternal moth]

Every other CB is a rainbow. Gacha rainbow > gold for almost everything

[steady beacon]

Relative to the rainbows, she doesn't really provide enough of really anything to compensate
And since in OpSi you do want to try and bring your best you can't really justify her slot

[elfin hollow]

Ah I see thanks

[vale spindle]

Na shes just slightly worse anchorage which is good but not rainbow level

[forest palm]

that's why I treat Kala like she doesn't exist

what she does, and what she offers is easily supplemented elsewhere, and gives no tech

[soft raft]

and also collab limited so she most likely will never return

[viscid swift]

she falls into the, good for newer players who got her but falls off category

[sudden briar]

What amount of currency in OpSi is considered "substantial". Mid-game account here.

[forest palm]

like vouchers, or? there's many currencies in ops

[sudden briar]

I forget what they're called but the one which is in largest quantity

[forest palm]

if you can convert about 9k~ vouchers per month you're good

[sudden briar]

Humu

[elfin hollow]

Any ship readjustments?

(Dw about the levels im currently working on that)

[steady beacon]

So long as you can buy everything you want and get sufficient vouchers for the reset to buy what you want from the voucher shop... that is substantial...
Idk the precise number though, because the last bit also depends on your number of tokens, the Arbiter crates (if any), and the energy bottle things

[sudden briar]

I see

[steady beacon]

Uh... can't really comment on adjustments when we don't know what we could adjust them to

[south sequoia]

Chapayev should be swapped out for sirius/ARA

ARA can be kazagumo, stephen potter

[steady beacon]

Also hmmm... I'd probably prefer Agir with the BBs...

[eternal moth]

You don't have an ARA ship in either CV fleet. In addition, you should have Sirius in one and Baltimore or Aurora in the other. Agir works better with BB than CV. That's just a start

[sudden briar]

Thanks chat I appreciate it

[willow crag]

do we have a chart on how much event points each SP mission gives? I plan on just grinding SP2 because Im too bored to manually attack till whatever the highest mission this event has

[eternal moth]

You're far better off grinding SP5 because of oil cap

[sudden briar]

They're not actually that taxing to do either

[steady beacon]

'tis listed on the wiki: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Heart-Linking_Harmony
SP2 has 60 points/clear

[elfin hollow]

I dont have non of those ships

[spice phoenix]

is the SB2C still the best/most reliable db in the game?

[willow crag]

ah right oil is precious, I forgot, guess Ill do the tedious deed till it

[soft raft]

if you mean the Helldiver, yes overall outside of the Tenrai and Skyraider

[spice phoenix]

thanks

[steady beacon]

Up until the point you can afford a Tenrai, and discounting needing timing adjustment/antilight antimed single target

[elfin hollow]

Kazagumo u can get it from guilded correct?

[willow crag]

this should roughly clear up till SP5 right?

[steady beacon]

Nope, Kazagumo is still only in uh
Light build
And like... I think one invitation so far, from memory...

[sweet delta]

Remove the whole main fleet and replace with a single unicorn and you're good to go

[south sequoia]

Super overkill

Sp5 is up to level 80

Even for normal event standards thats overkill

[elfin hollow]

I got Baltimore

[willow crag]

good, because Im also grinding for uh... Parseval

[elfin hollow]

Which dd from my second fleet should i remove thou hamaal

[south sequoia]

Pretty sure shima would steal mvp away

[steady beacon]

If you are like... desperate for an ARA, Ariake in the guild shop can work
She is expensive (2000 guild coins) though, and what you get for it is like... Kazagumo lite^2

[elfin hollow]

Oh I have her but does balimore works better thou?

[steady beacon]

Baltimore is not an ARA ship, so no harm using them together
Also Baltimore affects ONLY USS CVs

Well, and CVLs

[copper pine]

Sirius?

[elfin hollow]

I have her

[copper pine]

Sirius is a decent option

[elfin hollow]

Which dd should I replace on my second fleet

[copper pine]

whats your vanguard again, just joined the convo

[elfin hollow]

Well here is the more updated one

[copper pine]

fleet 4 is fine, fleet 3 is decent, if you have bismarck zwei or NJ, can replace brunhilde.

[steady beacon]

Sirius is not an ARA ship either

[copper pine]

yes but its a decent substitute than spending shit for ariake or kaza for now

[steady beacon]

Well, do you have Ariake or not

[elfin hollow]

Yes

Website for tierlist on shipgirls + what I can equip on them??

[copper pine]

is it leveled up?

[elfin hollow]

Non mlb yet

Thats why she subi

[steady beacon]

Other thing also arguably is... who you're putting in where and what you're expecting to fight...
Because Sirius' total contribution when factoring both AVI increase and the evasion rate debuff does generally outdo the total contribution of an ARA

[south sequoia]

/tierlist

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List by Rice#7016 & Slime#2203
🔹'Samvaluation' event ships' evaluations by samheart564#4031
🔹CN tier list by NGA

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[south sequoia]

Click the first link

[elfin hollow]

Thankies.

[south sequoia]

Answers both your question

[copper pine]

lets start with simpler basics, since i assume Kord is a newbie

[elfin hollow]

Yeah but what dd i should replace in fleet 2 since imma add ari

[elfin hollow]

Im a amateur actually

[copper pine]

kawakaze can be replaced

[steady beacon]

My instinct would be Kawa but uh... hmmmm

[solid maple]

Does this Bismarck's RLD buff apply to herself too?

[viscid swift]

yes

[solid maple]

[copper pine]

@elfin hollow what are your options for the ships? we can help much better if you give the dock list of vanguard ships instead of listing individual ships by ourselves

[solid maple]

If i put Bismarck in same fleet with Zwei, will Zwei get 27% of RLD stats?

[steady beacon]

Yes

[elfin hollow]

Wdym

[solid maple]

Thx

[south sequoia]

^ Better to take it to a thread so you can better organize it there

[copper pine]

yeppers. if you have more than 3 pictures

[south sequoia]

They want pictures of your dock so they are aware of what options you have rather than trying to get a shot in the dark of what ships you have

And again, before you post them here please post it in a thread

[copper pine]

like this

[south sequoia]

The pics aren't necessary

[steady beacon]

Also, I should note, before anything else... if you haven't MLB'd Ariake, then there is no point using her in that fleet right now because you also need her retrofitted before she gains the Air Raid Assistance skill

[copper pine]

just an example baka

[elfin hollow]

Does anybody know what I can equip on her? I’m on the lower level campaigns right now and I know there will be better equipment down the line for me, but I just want to make sure since she seems important.

I have nothing for AA or extra Aux

[south sequoia]

Better to not use soyuz at the moment

Unless you have 4 UR bulins at the ready, you shouldn't be using her

[worldly pewter]

or dupes

[elfin hollow]

Here, I’ll make a thread.

Just realized in threads I can't post pictures.

Tvui’s (Lv.31) Fleet Assistance!

[south sequoia]

Huh? You should be able to

[elfin hollow]

Figured it out.

[elfin hollow]

Ok

[hollow gust]

shouldve flexed the URs

[south sequoia]

[elfin hollow]

I didnt saw that mb

[heavy anvil]

Does levelling muse ships contribute to combat data collection in the shipyard?

[elfin hollow]

She is

[elfin hollow]

Done

[haughty dust]

Are any of these worth crafting?

[forest palm]

no

[elfin hollow]

If you have a ship with shitty aa then prototype would be worth it

[haughty dust]

Well, I also don’t have hardly any rainbow gear so I have to make do right now with what I have

[forest palm]

that AA gun is really not worth using

[haughty dust]

So far, I only have one piece of rainbow gear and I cannot currently craft anymore

Which AA?

[forest palm]

look, none of the gear in that screenshot is worth bothering with

[elfin hollow]

do u play on lethal clearing mode?

[haughty dust]

let me just show you what I mean, though real quick with my gear. This is just a small sample of what I’m referring to.

I don’t have the resources to craft any more rainbow gear right now.

[forest palm]

UR gear isn't necessary

[south sequoia]

^^^^^

UR gear is strong but you aren't absolutely gonna need it

[elfin hollow]

For example yamato bb gun

[main latch]

What should i get with my medals

[graceful meteor]

bps, then food, book, and purin as needed

[sweet delta]

purin, then SR DD for tech, then bulin as needed, then food, book, and bps as needed

[zinc prairie]

is a submarine fleet needed in high-level boss fight?

[vale spindle]

Not needed but it helps

[forest palm]

needed? no, appreciated? yes, content can always be done without, but it helps in the end

[frank pulsar]

how much you need subs depends on how weak your fleets are

[main latch]

Not familiar with the term Purin ?

[frank pulsar]

i think hes refering to gold bulin

[main latch]

Oh okay thanks

[zinc prairie]

oki thanks

[main latch]

Is z46 a German dd

[frank pulsar]

yes

[copper pine]

my first suggestion is to slowly level up other ships. there's a lot of other ships that is level 70 or below

[frank pulsar]

you can look at their prefix to determine their faction
for example kms = iron blood

[main latch]

i was buying from medal shop so i didnt know how to check

[frank pulsar]

check against wiki

also a lot of german dd mostly have plain name like a letter + a number so that's an easy way to tell

[main latch]

Okay thank you.

[vale spindle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleet_technology

[copper pine]

^ the only reliable azur lane source site

[elfin hollow]

Kk

[copper pine]

if spreading to 4 fleet is too much, focus on 2-3 fleets first

[sweet delta]

imho wiki is reliable

[vale spindle]

wiki is reliable i agree

[steady beacon]

Then why is the cruise missions mistake still not fixed

[vale spindle]

#wiki-feedback

[steady beacon]

We should have pinged a green name at the time, evidently...

[sinful elk]

Yo chat is there other ways to spend these coins

[vale spindle]

Wait for the shop refresh although idk if you have time

But once you finish opsi story up until a certain point, your shop becomes better

[sinful elk]

The opsi reset today tho?

I don't think i have time

[vale spindle]

No there's a monthly reset on May 1

Its fine don't worry

[sinful elk]

Btw do these kind of cube research worth doing

[vale spindle]

No don't

They are not worth it

Any research that costs cubes isn't worth it unless you have a very very large amount of cubes

[viscid swift]

also please switch research focus to PR4 asap, along with catchup focus

[vale spindle]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research read this

[sinful elk]

I have to read again?

[vale spindle]

it do be like that since devs don't do a good job

[sinful elk]

Btw how do i get tech point effectively

[sweet delta]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[sinful elk]

[keen sable]

Acquire, mlb, 120 ships

[still thorn]

Rodney META seems pretty nuts, is she any good?

[atomic abyss]

She's... A gold BB in a sea of UR BBs

In other words, decently good
But completely outclassed by the URs

[still thorn]

The My Phantasms skill seems bonkers, is it just bad or something?

[atomic abyss]

It's a gimmick at best

[sweet delta]

She's just gold

[atomic abyss]

Backliners should be all in on the damage front
With some offensive support skills

[still thorn]

Are there any good META ships?

[sweet delta]

Depends on what you mean by good

[still thorn]

seems like they get skipped over in all the tier lists

[atomic abyss]

Jintsuu Meta and Helena Meta are probably the most relevant of the metas

[sweet delta]

Rainbows exist

[forest palm]

as far as golds good most all SSR Meta Ships are good, but like Ender said, "in a sea of URs"...

[atomic abyss]

Iirc, slaimuda puts them at T0 so

[still thorn]

I thought the point of the Meta ships was to give new players a fighting chance in ps

[atomic abyss]

And that's because there's a lack of broken tier CLs

[frank pulsar]

the only meta ships i use are helena meta and queen elizabeth meta
even then its pretty rare that i use them

[sweet delta]

ps?

[forest palm]

I don't use any

[still thorn]

os* operation siren

[slow fox]

Me. I have an ehp chart.

https://azurlane.nagami.moe/ehp

[frank pulsar]

isnt noshi higher ranked than portland in your ehp

[sweet delta]

You can use META ships to clear opsi fully yes

[atomic abyss]

I mean it'd make sense

[forest palm]

a ships usefulness comes down to content, and gear

[atomic abyss]

Eva rate buff are one helluva drug

[slow fox]

Yeah.

[sweet delta]

What if you kill all the low difficulty bosses

[atomic abyss]

I'd assume she'll lose out to stuff like Anchorage tho

Let me try loading the link...

[frank pulsar]

19% more
isnt that higher than what it used to be

[slow fox]

DOMAIN EXPANSION

Column BS

All within range of my domain are coerced to take a gander at column BS in 125 eHP.

[atomic abyss]

Ok no mobile is being a baka and making the page lag
I'll check it out again later

[sweet delta]

SIMPLE DOMAIN

Brain empty, what is BS

[slow fox]

SLIGHTLY LESS SIMPLE DOMAIN

It's the harmonic eHP taken of non-stronghold bosses.

[still thorn]

unrelated, but the wiki says Kinu shows up in the merit shop, but I've been checking for like a month and she hasn't appeared. What's going on with that?

[viscid swift]

rng

[steady beacon]

Skill, unfortunately, means nothing in the face of overwhelmingly bad luck

[sweet delta]

So abyssal and arbiter ?

[frank pulsar]

but what does harmonic mean

[still thorn]

that's annoying

[sweet delta]

/wikipedia harmonic mean

[atomic abyss]

I didn't realise Jervis was so tanky tho

[slow fox]

It's the better way to calculate eHP.

[slow fox]

In this spreadsheet, she's about 5% tankier than the actual calculation.

[atomic abyss]

That's still pretty impressive tho

[frank pulsar]

how does infinity work in a math equation
my is brain too smooth for this

[sweet delta]

What's the actual calculation

[slow fox]

So Jervis is 139 on the sheet. If she's 5 tankier in here than what she actually is, 139 - 5 = 134 .

[atomic abyss]

Wait
I thought Algerie was meant to be a tank?

[sweet delta]

but how do you know it's 134 or 5?

[steady beacon]

Strictly speaking, it doesn't, but... let's not go into the details here...

[slow fox]

"Jervis is 5% of Portland."

Statements dreamed up by the delusional

[atomic abyss]

China wall is as damning as ever tho...

[slow fox]

This is what originally broke eHP when people wanted to start considering invulnerability skills into their calculations.

When you frame eHP from a rate-of-death perspective intead, invulnerabilities resolve themselves.

[atomic abyss]

Twice of a Portland Kai is just insane...

[slow fox]

Wait till you hear about Eugen Mu that kills 435 units.

[viscid swift]

so we now factoring in dps into ehp cals?

[sweet delta]

[slow fox]

HEY I DID THIS

How did you find it

[frank pulsar]

so how do you calculate rate of death? do you just run a sim and take an average of the lifespan or smth

[slow fox]

No, it's just an API. I ask the DPS-gamers to give me reasonable dakka estimates.

[sweet delta]

Is it a paid API?

[hollow gust]

So how strong is nano chan? Around maxed Saratoga?

[crisp estuary]

[sweet delta]

Far worse

[viscid swift]

that seems to be pushing it

[frank pulsar]

like t1 i think

[crisp estuary]

Ooof

[viscid swift]

so like what pre retro AR minus the utility

[atomic abyss]

I sincerely doubt that nano nano can compete with augment Sara Kai...

[steady beacon]

Nano Nano deserves an award

[slow fox]

It's the harmonic mean!

[atomic abyss]

I did want to suggest she be named Nano Shinano
Unfortunately it was ignored for obvious reasons

[slow fox]

The eHP formula present in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations is the basis of eHP theory.

[atomic abyss]

Yeah this sheet is far more useful than the old ones

Tho the original ehp calculator was meant to "find the best gear combination"

[slow fox]

Check out the eHP Comp. 2 tab!

[atomic abyss]

Which is how I found out about the whole Z46 thing

[steady beacon]

That being the Rudder vs 550 thing

[atomic abyss]

Yep
Tho in those days when I did the calcs, there were no 550 HP auxes

[slow fox]

Enbayft will be proud of me

[atomic abyss]

The seal came a wee bit later

[viscid swift]

Oh Schultz and felix you mean

[steady beacon]

... I might be missing the joke, but isn't Schultz = Felix 👀

[atomic abyss]

#gameplay-help message

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[atomic abyss]

But at the end of the day
I don't think anyone has enough rudders to spare to be throwing on DDs anyways...

Even if they did, they'd probably throw it on a cruiser and not a DD

[viscid swift]

Ah shit Otto and Felix is what I meant

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message

[steady beacon]

Ah

[hollow gust]

lmao

u have never seen the collection of a vet

[worldly pewter]

@steady beacon i finally finished all the abyssals strongholds and hidden zones took me 9 hours
now i need to burn 2500 ap then i will do the harbiter i m still in gold deficit even if i get the 3rd bf 109 i might not be able to enhance it nor uncap agir
its jover

[atomic abyss]

I mean
There was even a time where we debated if double toolbox was better for the China wall cos of their low HP...

[steady beacon]

Ngl, the most amazing thing about those 64 Rudders at +13 is uh
I'm honestly not even sure I have that many gears at +13...

[atomic abyss]

The conclusion was that
You might as well equip offensive gears on the chinawall

Since their damage was so potato to begin with

[steady beacon]

Just do your best, and do as much damage as you can
Better to get at least some of the rewards rather than none at all

[hollow gust]

5 rows of +10 washing machine, 40 more in storage

[atomic abyss]

Don't me I'm serious lol

[sweet delta]

You're seriously wrong or outdated

[atomic abyss]

I mean yes, hence was

[sweet delta]

Nobody was good at the game back in your day

[slow fox]

I was

[atomic abyss]

No as in, at that point of time
There's literally no content that was high damage enough to warrant that tankiness

[slow fox]

And then DMGCreep came

[steady beacon]

[south sequoia]

By the way, are there damage calcs for museshiro? Who does her damage compare to

[steady beacon]

It... depends on whether you're willing to manual or not...
If not, her personal damage isn't mind blowing or anything, at least on the basis of a pure DPS calc
If you want, I can let you know how it goes in practice when she's ready for RodM

[atomic abyss]

Yeep
Exactly

At least now you can run Yat Kai with the DDGs and Harbin
So that fixed the issue with the chinawall

[crisp estuary]

[sweet delta]

Montpelier 🪄

[willow crag]

whats the current meta for like... an all round fleet?

[rocky fjord]

none

fleets are tailored for each content

[atomic abyss]

There is simply no such thing as an all round fleet

[willow crag]

uh... how about the current meta ships in their own respective class and use case?

[rocky fjord]

/tierlist but 🤏

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List by Rice#7016 & Slime#2203
🔹'Samvaluation' event ships' evaluations by samheart564#4031
🔹CN tier list by NGA

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[willow crag]

whats the difference of the tier lists?

[steady beacon]

Well, if you ask for a specific use case, we can probably provide more detailed info about what ships are most commonly used

[soft raft]

The community tier list that's linked only really applies for campaign up to W13

[willow crag]

like I only play events, I dont do pvp or op si that much

[rocky fjord]

samvaluation is preliminary ratings before full testing, CN list tiers on niches better, top is most "in general" (for campaign cases)

but top has its own categories of tiering for niches

[steady beacon]

If that's the case, the ENTL probably works fine enough

[atomic abyss]

Yep

[rocky fjord]

I dont buy that since W15

[steady beacon]

Provided by "events" you don't mean like... EX challenges, which are a whole different kettle of fish

[willow crag]

can I get an explanation on how those 2 URs and DR are "worse" than implacable

[viscid swift]

Events aren't difficult enough top optimize fleets for just use stuff that needs leveling

[viscid swift]

Read the tiering guidelines

[steady beacon]

To this day, I cannot give an answer that satisfies me, if that helps

[rocky fjord]

read the descriptions

[steady beacon]

I would suggest not harping too much on the tiers themselves, tbh...

[hollow gust]

the bottom URs are dps ships, that can be matched by ships like enterprise, implacable is a high dps support cv, her closest competor is august , who gets shit on

[vale spindle]

this server doesn't make that tierlist

[sweet delta]

matched with 25% probability in a 4 strike battle

[vale spindle]

you are better off asking the people who made the tierlist rather than us who have not made the tierlist

[whole jolt]

Is it worth farming for the tool kit in 3-4? Or where is it.

[rocky fjord]

well we aren't answering blind

[vale spindle]

not especially just open tech boxes and pray

[willow crag]

wait, how do you unlock the auto grind feature in OpSi? I remember my guildmates doing it for 12 hours on an emulator getting tons of rewards

[vale spindle]

complete opsi story up to a certain point

[sweet delta]

press the strategic search button

[willow crag]

no like they can repeat the same stage over and over again, because my auto search stops when it cant see ships

[hollow gust]

That's different type of auto

[sweet delta]

press the strategic search button on a secured zone and select repeat this zone

[steady beacon]

Ngl... if we're talking about Implacable specifically, I guess I can take a crack: having a stop effect is both extremely valuable and extremely rare, and it is the best stop effect in the entire game, and therefore gives Implacable a range of applicability that extends beyond what the other three rainbow CVs can do... if that makes sense...

[viscid swift]

Pay 5k oil or you need to press a few more buttons

[vale spindle]

sure but id rather have ectl deal with conversations than arguing in semantics here not worth the brain cell expenditure

[rocky fjord]

that's also true

[willow crag]

what, and I thought Op Si doesnt eat oil

[vale spindle]

so basically opsi doesn't eat oil unless you want to request recon every zone

the 5k oil thingy is what automatically requests recon on all explorable zones

[viscid swift]

You can pay 5k oil to use autosearch to clear all the explorable nodes each month

[willow crag]

what how tell me

[vale spindle]

then since all zones are open, strategic search on explorable will work great

[vale spindle]

i recommend not doing it now cause its 2 days until monthly reset

[viscid swift]

Buy the logger from the voucher shop

[vale spindle]

but in the operation siren supply shop you can buy an item for 5k oil

and once you use it, it allows you to strategic search without getting bricked by game mechanics

[willow crag]

which shop?

[vale spindle]

if you want to do the same zone over and over again, then its not needed

[frank pulsar]

voucher shop

[atomic abyss]

Exchange shop from the opsi map screen

[frank pulsar]

^^^

[atomic abyss]

Bottom left corner

[atomic abyss]

...tho frankly I'd suggest save it for next month

That screen hurts my soul

[vale spindle]

i got that image from the wiki

[atomic abyss]

No wonder

[vale spindle]

i was the one who uploaded that image

[willow crag]

OH CMON I JUST BOUGHT IT

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

[topaz smelt]

ender when did you come back?

[atomic abyss]

Hi rice
Came back with Soyuz event

[topaz smelt]

so right after i left

[willow crag]

its fineee, I have a lot of oil anyways

[vale spindle]

i warned you earlier

[atomic abyss]

Passing off the torch I suppose

[topaz smelt]

i was the reason why ender left

[willow crag]

I didnt see the warn, I am EN player I cant read

[novel condor]

moment

[vale spindle]

it doesn't have the arrow on the wiki i added it now, if you couldn't tell

[atomic abyss]

I mean I unfortunately missed a shit ton of URs

Thank goodness purple floof shd be returning this year...

[topaz smelt]

only real thing you missed was bz

[novel condor]

same I dont have Guam Soyuz Unzen Bisko 2.0 and NJ

[atomic abyss]

Actually

Would NJ replace anyone in my UR BB comp
Soyuz Vanny FDG

[topaz smelt]

prob fdg

[viscid swift]

FdG

[soft raft]

FdG
Then you can move FdG to mob

[atomic abyss]

Assuming I have the rainburins (I don't)

[vale spindle]

remember to buy the 1k core from medal shop before reset

[topaz smelt]

just pull with those admin cubes for free njs

[atomic abyss]

But wouldn't UvH be better for mob anyways

[novel condor]

wait which core?

[topaz smelt]

not really

[vale spindle]

they added specialized core to medal shop

[topaz smelt]

shes kinda ass for mobs

[atomic abyss]

[vale spindle]

idk if its there on this reset or on future resets but its gonna be there

[novel condor]

ohh thsoe cores, lemem check if I bought em yet

[atomic abyss]

I though UvH was meant for mobs tf

[soft raft]

Not really
UvH needs to be off flag for her reload gimmick
Otherwise she's essentially just Walmart FdG

[topaz smelt]

maybe opsi mobs but 0 ammo cucks her

[novel condor]

wait she isnt? I thought she good at mobbing

[viscid swift]

UvH gets cucked by out of ammo for campaign and opsi mobbing is not hard

[atomic abyss]

[novel condor]

been lied to

[atomic abyss]

I had to remove Owari from my opsi mob cos she kept on getting shredded in strongholds by BBs lmfao

[viscid swift]

Well in the sense you basically have unlimited healing

[vale spindle]

i used owari with no issues idk what your issue was she only died to final boss but most of my fleets did anyway so doesn't matter

[willow crag]

wait how shoul mobbing fleets should look like for OpSi? Because I just lumped in the SE DR carrier, implacable and perseus in that fleet

[atomic abyss]

I mean
A BB and a healer at min
Probably unicorn over Percy but ye
Unless you wanna use Percy cross fleet

[topaz smelt]

opsi mobbing is just another leveling fleet

[atomic abyss]

You'll want to keep impla for one of the boss comps

Since that's where she's ridiculously strong in

...I'm assuming DR carrier is Haku
And same with her tbh

[willow crag]

yes its haku

[atomic abyss]

I swapped to Odin
She did better so

[topaz smelt]

so what are ppl reccing here for rodney?

[clever wyvern]

Hello, i have question is this equipable i just bought it idk what it does

[atomic abyss]

Probably because Odin actually helps to kill shit with her secondaries lol

...why did you buy that AAAAAA

[clever wyvern]

Srry idk what it does

[rain vine]

it literally says what it does in the description

[soft raft]

It's Warspite's retrofit item

[atomic abyss]

It's to retrofit warspite as said there

[novel condor]

its used for Retrofits

[atomic abyss]

And she's like... The worst of the UR retros you could have bought...

[clever wyvern]

Whats a retrofits

[soft raft]

And retrofitting Warspite in this day and age is a poor financial decision for newbies

[atomic abyss]

Think of it as a ship upgrade

[clever wyvern]

Fuck should have ask before i bought it, srry 😅

[frank pulsar]

retrofit gives stats, gives a skill and increase rarity

[atomic abyss]

Naga Nano Haku for the people aiming to one cycle

[soft raft]

God why did you buy it when you don't even know how that works

That's half of a UR Bullin's worth of Spec Core gone

But now you know

[topaz smelt]

ive tried it hated it, too inconsistent

[atomic abyss]

That's why KirovM was recommended to inflict slow on the front

[topaz smelt]

i need something better than 50% kill rate

no 100% kill yet?

[viscid swift]

I don't think such a fleet exists

[atomic abyss]

^

[viscid swift]

Def not 100%

[topaz smelt]

my fleet is around 50%, thought something better would come by now

[atomic abyss]

Maybe with strong enough support fire

[viscid swift]

Nope, nothing, nada

[topaz smelt]

maybe noshiu might push my fleet to 100

[atomic abyss]

The issue with the boss is that it fucks over the typical timings

So you're forced to scuff something to meet the 1.5s

[topaz smelt]

ive tried all the scuffed timings

[soft raft]

And the last 10s of the fight may as well not even exist

[topaz smelt]

nothing really stuck as consistent

[atomic abyss]

BBs are completely cos they yeet the 2nd and 3rd salvos into the shadow clones

[topaz smelt]

just hit

[forest palm]

What's this month's Arbiter, Light?

[atomic abyss]

For my extremely scuffed poverty options
Haku Nano variants have proved the most consistent

Banking on asaault carrier procs from ark isn't exactly good

[topaz smelt]

define consistent

[steady beacon]

3 hit kill

[atomic abyss]

Smallest variance in scores rather
+/- 10k

[steady beacon]

Ngl, though, Ender... I'm still convinced you can push it to two lol

[atomic abyss]

But the keyword is extremely scuffed
I don't have fleet tech done up lol

[tropic parcel]

this meta fight is just that inconsistent if you don't have perfect tech and gear

[vale spindle]

its inconsistent even if you do

[atomic abyss]

So far the highest I've gotten was 500k

[topaz smelt]

you can prob just run unzen strats and 2 shot
if you have her

[atomic abyss]

But that's probably with perfect procs of Assault Carrier and Radar Scan

My Unzen is going to be 0lb for quite some time...

[tropic parcel]

i can 2 shot every time but it hovers between 70 and 90% in a single fight

[atomic abyss]

I prioritised the rainburins for Nano and Guam

[topaz smelt]

im at 50% kill rate but need to try noshiu, it think it should push it to 100%

[atomic abyss]

I've been using shimakaze instead lul

[tropic parcel]

sure if you're that scuffed that unzen is lb 0 then you aren't going to 2 shot it

[steady beacon]

Out of curiosity, when you used Agir
Was Haku at least able to land her first and second airstrikes better?

[atomic abyss]

First didn't meet the timing
The second met

[steady beacon]

[tropic parcel]

what's this about idol noshiro?

[topaz smelt]

unzen buffer

[vale spindle]

100% guaranteed chance to increase enemy torp damage taken good

[atomic abyss]

Mushiro seems to be a new component of the torp meme fleet

[tropic parcel]

oh word? gotta start levelling her then

[soft raft]

It's a 20s timer too so perfectly timed with Helena debuff

[topaz smelt]

my unzens been doing 3-400k per fight

[soft raft]

Note that this is still gonna mostly apply to torpmeme outside of Modney

[topaz smelt]

fuck helena

[jaunty vault]

ayo

[viscid swift]

I will

[jaunty vault]

welcome back riceist

[topaz smelt]

i aint staying for long

[atomic abyss]

Im telling you guys
It's a matter of time before they make a boss that takes fuck all damage from the backline
And we'll be forced to torp meme

[vale spindle]

oh they already did

[forest palm]

[vale spindle]

its called augmentation weekly

[soft raft]

Lol

[atomic abyss]

I mean meta boss baka sampharos

[steady beacon]

That's what I was made for tbh

[atomic abyss]

With that said I do wonder

[steady beacon]

Granted, RodM was already kinda made for me, but anyway...

[atomic abyss]

Would a torp comp do more if you hyper buffed one torper
Or if you had 2 or 3 torpers

[forest palm]

Glowworm memes?

[topaz smelt]

usually 1 torper

well the buffers also torp abit

[atomic abyss]

Ibuki Shima Unzen vs JinM Avrora/MuShiro Unzen?

[vale spindle]

right

[steady beacon]

I mean, a fair number of the torp buffers already have decent enough damage so it's not a complete tradeoff

[topaz smelt]

itd be like tani, mint, unzen

but torp meme is pretty much dead

its only really viable for this meta cuz shitty mechs

[atomic abyss]

No that's ramming memes with Eugen a CB at that point

[topaz smelt]

nah ppl only ram bulins

[atomic abyss]

Has there been any boss that penalises you based on lack of or excess speed?

[steady beacon]

Ari META

[forest palm]

Arizona

[topaz smelt]

this

[atomic abyss]

What she do uwu

[forest palm]

Boiler city

[topaz smelt]

w14 in general punishes you for being too fast

[viscid swift]

Fog which if you get caught in you take more damage and loose speed making it harder to get out of

[steady beacon]

She summons a mist that uh
Basically stacks a gigantic damage taken debuff on your vanguard if it stays in it for too long
And slows you down, so if you get stuck, you can get really stuck

[atomic abyss]

So beaver boiler meta
And CLs instead of CB/CAs?

[viscid swift]

There's a reason 3 boilers in a fleet with 2 DDs and beaver badge is needed for that showdown

[atomic abyss]

Oh that's worse than I thought

[forest palm]

Yup

[atomic abyss]

Presumably one of them is Shima then

[forest palm]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

Since she's fast and isn't dead weight

[viscid swift]

I run Plymouth, Kazagumo, and Laffey 2

[forest palm]

Back then it was Shimakaze

[atomic abyss]

Unless someone ran one of the triomphant class...

[topaz smelt]

didnt know you had laffii back then

[crimson glacier]

you need good ships that are fast, not fast ships that are shit

[viscid swift]

I was very lazy about finishing showdowns back then

[atomic abyss]

Exactly what I thought

Speaking of ply
I understand that she's the god of CL DPS
But how much further ahead of the competition is she exactly

[viscid swift]

By quite a bit

[jaunty vault]

yes

[forest palm]

She sets the highest bar

[viscid swift]

Before Hindenburg and Unzen came along she was the top dps vanguard

[jaunty vault]

youre welcome

[topaz smelt]

not counting her buff, a significant margin

[steady beacon]

By just personal damage, it's like... in the neighbourhood of 200 iirc?

[atomic abyss]

I remember the debate we had
And she was twice that of Sandy Kai and Chap+Aug

[midnight bluff]

Its been about 6 hours since I bought gems and it hasnt shown up. Is it better to contact the staff or customer service?

[atomic abyss]

Customer service

Staff here will also redirect you to cs anyways

[topaz smelt]

check mail if you havent already

[midnight bluff]

It hasnt shown up in mail. Tried checking on phone and ipad but no difference. Trying to repurchase it says purchase is already made followed by gems not consumed yet and some error

[jaunty vault]

/techsupport

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

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[midnight bluff]

ty

[steady beacon]

Ngl, who even is second place CL...
I sometimes think it's a "Plymouth, and then everybody else" type scenario...

[atomic abyss]

I'd imagine FS5 Mainz

[viscid swift]

Just for damage Harbin and Shimanto

[jaunty vault]

nuh uh

[atomic abyss]

Right I forgot Harbin lul

[vale spindle]

shimanto too

[jaunty vault]

ender stuck in 2020

[atomic abyss]

But shimanto's damage was that good

[viscid swift]

Yes

[crimson glacier]

mainz is worse than sandy

[atomic abyss]

I mean I'd believe it but

[viscid swift]

Like after PR5 CL powercreep got pretty big

[vale spindle]

its more aa good extra damage not as good as aa

[steady beacon]

It is
Although... in saying that... I have run both Shimanto and Plymouth against Arbiters and... it is indeed a gigantic difference

[atomic abyss]

Next thing you'll tell me Neptune beats Mainz

[jaunty vault]

lol no

[vale spindle]

she will once unique augment gives her aoa pierce

[viscid swift]

No but Scylla does

[atomic abyss]

And btw I'm not entirely exaggerating

[jaunty vault]

lol no

[vale spindle]

[atomic abyss]

Neptune used to be on the leaderboards for CL DPS too

[topaz smelt]

she was right next to cleve

[viscid swift]

Ah to be in 2018

[atomic abyss]

In 2019
Pretty much your best CL DPS were Sandy Kai, Neptune and Jintsuu Kai

Neptune had the barrage going for her

[viscid swift]

Pr1 was released in 2018 for CN and Jp is what I meant

[atomic abyss]

Sandy Kai was later tho

But yeah things have changed

[steady beacon]

Just out of curiosity... do you know what that DPS number was, at least approximately

[topaz smelt]

a better question would be how you would obtain that result

[atomic abyss]

Unfortunately I have deleted most of the screenshots from back then so uh
Give me 5 mins
It's somewhere in the channel

But I'll assume the calcs are inaccurate to be compared to modern metrics

[topaz smelt]

modern metrics are even worse

[atomic abyss]

Cos we needed to assume %hit rate of barrages

[vale spindle]

modern dps is still inaccurate

[steady beacon]

Good question, and I honestly don't know
But I just want to see what the number was they were working with back then

[topaz smelt]

nothings changed in 5 years

[atomic abyss]

If you assume 100% hit rate for barrages and torps hoooo boi

Numbers are skewed wildly in favour of the torpers and barragers

[topaz smelt]

and im pretty sure its assumed on single immobile target

[atomic abyss]

The only calcs I actually did myself were the IJN CV comparisons

The CL DPS one was done by Enbayft

[sharp token]

what are the oath priority?

[topaz smelt]

yes

[steady beacon]

The ships you like

[vale spindle]

enbay holy crap

[topaz smelt]

never talked to the guy

[atomic abyss]

Tadaaaaaa

[crimson glacier]

ah the one that says that odin > god

[forest palm]

Fuckin hell that feels ancient

[atomic abyss]

Don't ask me why sheep kai is in there

I have a lot of the ancient dps calcs pics but ye

[atomic abyss]

I mean FDG was excluded for very obvious reasons

[crimson glacier]

i guess fdg was too strong to be included in that

[atomic abyss]

Yeeeeep

FDG was so far ahead of everything that it wasn't funny

Especially for light armour

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I have a lot of questions about the assumptions made but uh... chances are it doesn't matter much...
Still, it's interesting from a historical POV...

[topaz smelt]

nothings really changed aside from gear today

[atomic abyss]

Yep

[atomic abyss]

Her closest competition at the time was Monarch so...

Iirc only Warkai could even remotely compete with FDG on light armour

[opal stream]

tf rice is back?

[atomic abyss]

It was only when we got NJ that FDG met her match lul

[topaz smelt]

aint staying long

came to check wiki stuff and saw ender

did i make you leave too?

[crimson glacier]

you make it sound like ti was a big deal

when nothing really changed and i doubt most even noticed

[topaz smelt]

didnt expect anything to change, still the same shithole

prob a little less now with better modding

[wind hazel]

[atomic abyss]

Yeah the assumptions made could skew calcs drastically

Barrage and torp hit rate being the biggest factors

[topaz smelt]

hit rates for everything

[atomic abyss]

I mean, well yes that's true

But generally, BB gun or CV bomb hit rate is generally going to be similar across CVs assuming the same gear and enemies

Generally

I suppose the same argument can be made for torps tho yeah

[topaz smelt]

vg is a lot more different

since movement becomes a major factor

[atomic abyss]

The issue always lies with barrages

If you assume a 100% hit rate on barrages then the damage skew is hilarious

A simple example would be Z23's AoA
It's actually quite a strong (ok above average) DD AoA all things considered

The thing is the spread on that AoA is horrendous

[topaz smelt]

just ram

[atomic abyss]

It just fires in 2 narrow straight lines

[opal stream]

just make the fleet slower

[topaz smelt]

hey mashi whats the cn comp for rodney

[atomic abyss]

If you assume a 100% hit rate on that her dps jumps quite significantly

[opal stream]

you already knew it
nugget cv

[topaz smelt]

how consistent is it

[opal stream]

shit

[topaz smelt]

like 50%?

[opal stream]

lower

[hollow gust]

Hey you are back

[atomic abyss]

I think the main adv of that comp is that it's much easier to stagger a BB to unsync with 2 CVs than it is to stagger 3 CVs...

[opal stream]

you need like 3 helena scans or something

[hollow gust]

No not really

[topaz smelt]

lol thats terribad

[hollow gust]

Have you gotten a better comp?

[topaz smelt]

ye

i need to test noshiu tho, might push it to 100%

[hollow gust]

Pass it smh , gatekeeper

[viscid swift]

Gib

[steady beacon]

It's been in the pin for like a week now...

[opal stream]

hakushina looks good on paper but then nugget does like 50k

[steady beacon]

Well, granted, Rice did modify it after a little, but the original comp is there

[topaz smelt]

i knew that fleet was weak for weeks

[hollow gust]

100

[atomic abyss]

Impla Haku Nano in theory should do better

[opal stream]

i just make imp slow for unzen to hit now

[atomic abyss]

Sushi

[topaz smelt]

i just wanna see 500k unzen later this week

[opal stream]

its cool seeing unzen do 200k

[topaz smelt]

my unzen does almost 400k

[hollow gust]

Unoathed 125?

[topaz smelt]

all urs oathed

timings kinda lenient

[steady beacon]

She can do like 150-200k personal so... I honestly believe in her more than Nagato ngl lol

[hollow gust]

Bleh don't wanna oath her

[opal stream]

BB fleet can kill
you just need 4 scans
dont need shell rng

[topaz smelt]

who needs bbs

[hollow gust]

Musashi bb tho

[opal stream]

you can drop unzen oath
and run goldburn

[topaz smelt]

nah unzen doesnt get 4th anyways

[steady beacon]

Plus, her debuff uptime with the comp above is... quite substantial
Around half-ish after the first rotation

[topaz smelt]

you only get 4th with nugget+goldburn

[hollow gust]

Yay or nay?

[opal stream]

mk35

[topaz smelt]

prob better geared than mine, i dont even have +13 gun

ye needs uss torps, the entire vg is built around it

[hollow gust]

Is yours +13?

[topaz smelt]

and specifically +10 rudder on avrora

[opal stream]

avrora is slow af so she actually make you hit more

[topaz smelt]

ye

[hollow gust]

Looks like Avrora flag?

[topaz smelt]

unless you hard low roll youre hitting like 70% torps

ye avrora needs to die, then mint dies near end to proc

[hollow gust]

My Avrora is 120

[topaz smelt]

i run 0 ca rld just to time to implac a little better

[flint scroll]

yuudachi only drop on 6-4 correct?

[topaz smelt]

but minor optimizations

[hollow gust]

Does she need 125?

[steady beacon]

Not a problem tbh
Did a couple of runs <125 and it didn't change much

[atomic abyss]

It's not like she's changing the world with her dps

[topaz smelt]

preferably, i dont know how fast she would die if not

[hollow gust]

125 changes survivability

[atomic abyss]

Avrora right from CBT has always been just an incredibly strong frontline buffer

[topaz smelt]

ye but shes always been squish af with low fp

[atomic abyss]

The issue is everything else
Like her tankiness yes

[cobalt rapids]

wth riceist back

[topaz smelt]

who?

[hollow gust]

I have a +13 rpg, should be fine

[flint scroll]

does hard mode for 6-4 have a higher drop for yuudog than normal world?

[atomic abyss]

Unknown if it does

[opal stream]

same

[flint scroll]

gotcha thanks

[atomic abyss]

But probably not worth going to an earlier hard mode

[cobalt rapids]

we dont know droprates but u shouldnt waste ur hm attempts on it if u can farm higher for coredata

[atomic abyss]

Just to farm something
Core data is precious unless you're super old player

[flint scroll]

nah i was just curious cause im already on my 200 sortie and no yuudog yet

[steady beacon]

Oops, me coping 3-4 Hard in my first few months

[opal stream]

im at 60k event points and no eugen drop
rng being rng

[topaz smelt]

be grateful theyre cheap runs

[cobalt rapids]

if u dont have yuudachis retro item shes not worth farming or buying her retro for

[flint scroll]

i have her retro itme for the past year 😭

its just ive been using shima and kita, finally decided to get yuudog

[topaz smelt]

took my like 200k oil for h2

[atomic abyss]

Think of the bright side
At least 6-4 has nice boss music

[steady beacon]

True that

[opal stream]

imagine play the game with music on

gonna try rice fleet after reset
probably gonna shit with timing cuz no unzen oath

[topaz smelt]

timing should be better with unoathed, just less damage

[steady beacon]

Oh, Rice yours is 0 CA RLD with oath

[hollow gust]

Whelp I ended up booking Avrora

[topaz smelt]

ye

just let her die

[vale spindle]

she has +1 cl fp

[hollow gust]

Mines already 120 smh , ment 125

[vale spindle]

wao

[topaz smelt]

rip arrays

[hollow gust]

My cl tech is maxed for ply

[steady beacon]

Hmmm, I see
Negative fleet tech when
Although the Ryuusei/Saiun helped, no doubt

[topaz smelt]

just dont hard low roll like i do and have unzen miss 3 torp sets

[hollow gust]

Aight there we go , all maxed correctly

Only non +13 is Avrora's washing machine

[hollow gust]

Do I have to turn ca rld to 0?

My unzen isn't oathed

[topaz smelt]

nah its just rng cuz hit rates

youll see like upto 400k dmg

[sharp token]

who should i prioritize to 125?

[steady beacon]

You don't have to at least
But that was an Unzen underperformance

[hollow gust]

I'll take this

[cobalt rapids]

backline dmg dealers > backline supports > vanguard tanks that need to survive > vanguard supports/dmg dealers that need to survive > vanguards that dont care about dying

[opal stream]

nah backline supports dont need level
120 or 125 uni dont matter

[topaz smelt]

but muh vanny

[cobalt rapids]

who here has a 120 uni

[opal stream]

vg actually does dmg

[hollow gust]

I'm down to 1.3k arrays

[topaz smelt]

who here hasnt done w15

[opal stream]

opportunity cost

[cobalt rapids]

yuh

well ofc uni is on the lower end of the spectrum it was just a general prio list

[opal stream]

support backline are rare af
and most of them suck

looking at nugget

[topaz smelt]

actually fuck nugget, ive tried all the bs comps possible and its ass
if you havent done 4 strike nano+haku and make them all hit dont understand how bad it is

but i might go back with noshiu just to see 500k unzen

[sullen creek]

Do @ me when you do

[steady beacon]

You mean for this META?

[topaz smelt]

ye

[opal stream]

try tani and cope

[topaz smelt]

ill rename my noshi to tani

[steady beacon]

Ngl, ignoring the "I wouldn't trust Tanikaze on auto"... I've been trying to figure out whether Tanikaze having a chance on all four rotations is better or worse than Noshi only realistically being able to work three, since the opening proc is a loss
Guess I should just hurry up and level Noshi though

[topaz smelt]

tani proccing is about the same as helena assuming 5 torps hit

[violet vigil]

I just saw someone construct Kronshtadt in Amagi, is there some hidden way to get her that I didn't know about?

[topaz smelt]

you hold the build for months and claim it today

[steady beacon]

Mhm, I'm just vacillating as to whether that chance is worth taking if I want to reach my intended goal, half of RodM's HP (although this is probably assuming manual)...
Other issue I realised is Unzen Mk IX is simply too slow to stay in Noshi's window for... possibly even two rotations after the preload... so gotta work that out as well

[opal stream]

run mk35

[steady beacon]

Well, we'll see...

[sullen creek]

Noshi buffed mk35s seem to do as much damage as JintsuuM buffed mkix

[atomic abyss]

Which noshi lul

[steady beacon]

Noshi Muse

[atomic abyss]

Both noshi buff torps so

[steady beacon]

I already tried Noshi base earlier this season... uh... she does not hold up too well...

[opal stream]

the better noshi

[topaz smelt]

fake noshi
not my noshi

[atomic abyss]

Anyways wanted to check on a few PRs

What's Chkalov's gimmick?

[opal stream]

does dmg

[atomic abyss]

I vaguely remember her having some reload gimmick or sth

[steady beacon]

Well she does have uh... +10 or +15% RLD
That is it though

[opal stream]

im not lying when i said her gimmick is do dmg

[atomic abyss]

And Rupert was just a generic gold right?

[steady beacon]

Her icicle barrage on 20s cycle inflicts AA debuff and a slow but uh...
Her main thing really is damage, yes

[topaz smelt]

shes just your typical damage cv formula but with a bit more damage

[opal stream]

rupert has gimmick

[atomic abyss]

Enlighten me

[sullen creek]

She gets a slow post FS5

[frank pulsar]

rupert has a heal

[atomic abyss]

...self heal or heal heal

[opal stream]

heal heal

[sullen creek]

Targeted heal

[atomic abyss]

Is she cosplaying as Arizona or sth

O targeted, so like... BB Aqui/Vol?

[opal stream]

she has long af ghost gun like odin
when it fire x times she heal allies with lowest hp
yadayada

[atomic abyss]

Is that particularly useful or

[opal stream]

she also has placement skill but it just defensive stuff

[frank pulsar]

if it was ppl would be recommending her

[atomic abyss]

So a more defensive/support based Odin?

[opal stream]

she actually does more dmg than odin

[atomic abyss]

Tf

And Harbin is actually unga bunga

[steady beacon]

To this day the only place I've seriously used her is PvP
She is a pretty good all-rounder though

[topaz smelt]

harby is just smoke memes

[opal stream]

i dont even notice the smoke

in pvp you are running at 200mph so you leave the smoke as soon as it spawn

[kind slate]

is twin 130 model 1936 good? the pr5 gun

[steady beacon]

It is

[opal stream]

once you use the rainbow gun it will never be good again

[south sequoia]

Thats odd, isn't the main appeal about her in pvp is smoke?

[atomic abyss]

Are we going back to the days of Belfast now

[kind slate]

is it a cl main gun?

[topaz smelt]

ye cn uptiered belfast when she came out

[atomic abyss]

But seriously, I thought her dps was great by CL standards

[south sequoia]

It is

[topaz smelt]

ye shes good damage

[south sequoia]

Iirc she's just right behind ply
Though ply is ahead by a lot

[atomic abyss]

But still falls short of the DPS CAs I assume

[opal stream]

scylla

[steady beacon]

Hmmmm, I'd place more value in two loads of torps per rotation, which do 20% more damage to heavy armoured backline targets, and take it together with CL DMG+15%
Not to say the smoke is completely useless, of course

[atomic abyss]

Scylla I'm assuming comes from the DD gun and the Dido class barrage?
On top of the skills

[steady beacon]

Her barrage... is beyond insane Ender

[atomic abyss]

So a buffed Dido class barrage? Good lord

[topaz smelt]

so you give her a 76mm for aoa spam, then you give her blue torps for barrage spam

[atomic abyss]

Wait
Seriously?

[south sequoia]

And the fact she shits out her aoa a butt ton

[steady beacon]

This is her on-torpedo barrage: https://pasokau.com/wp-content/uploads/skllgif/管財担当の備え.gif

[south sequoia]

Not to mention her barrage is pretty thick and has many bullets

[topaz smelt]

she also has 1/2 aoa proc

[atomic abyss]

What the fuck is that bs

[steady beacon]

And this is her AoA (which fires on 6, rather than 10 rounds when she equips a DD main): https://pasokau.com/wp-content/uploads/skllgif/特殊弾幕-シラII.gif

[sullen creek]

And using DD guns actually reduces her AoA procc shots

[atomic abyss]

That's pretty much an upgraded Dido class barrage yeah...

[topaz smelt]

the aoa procs like every 5s

[atomic abyss]

So what about Shimanto
Torp barrages?

[opal stream]

arcing shells that scale with trp

[topaz smelt]

she double torps

[south sequoia]

And great AA

[steady beacon]

Her main barrage on torp is basically a bomb that explodes right on target