gameplay-help

[slow fox]

It does worse with the -20

Comparatively

[steady beacon]

@slow fox , may I ask how one arrives at the 12.27% damage reduction number for Laffey II?

[slow fox]

#gameplay-help message

@steady beacon

Something that looks like this.

[steady beacon]

Looks like a cursed calculation indeed...

[inland shoal]

There was no frame for Carl event right?

[steady beacon]

There was not

[inland shoal]

Good thx

[clever wyvern]

Hello have a question, is she useable?

[jaunty vault]

wdym usable

[clever wyvern]

Like is she gonna appear in my dock

And can put her in formation or no?

[steady beacon]

Not yet
Gotta finish all her development things first

[jaunty vault]

after you complete those missions, yes

then you also gotta use BPs/coin her up to make her better

[warm flax]

How is Eugen at full potential compared to Carl?

[jaunty vault]

worse

[clever wyvern]

Alright thank you 🙏

[novel condor]

Carl better

[steady beacon]

And incidentally, would that value change if one were to use a different set of possible damage values?

[inland shoal]

Of course it would

The more damage that is above her threshold and the higher it is above her threshold the higher the dr

[blissful hamlet]

Does morale gain in dorm get slower or is it just me?

[whole crypt]

it's just you

[inland shoal]

It gets a lot slower once the ships hit 150 ye

[blissful hamlet]

[plain saffron]

sometimes when in map it doesn't take the latest morale value, you need to go to main menu then back to stage

[inland shoal]

"Sometimes"

[jaunty vault]

ive had to restart the game to register morale values

sometimes

[inland shoal]

I never had that

[whole crypt]

at worst a relog should fix it

[slow fox]

Yes.

[steady beacon]

I think I phrased it too vaguely...
I guess I should ask first if the different damage values are (somehow) weighted according to the probability of their occurring?

[inland shoal]

Yes

Wait no that up there is the probability curve for the dmg isn't it?

[steady beacon]

The 0.9/x is the probability curve for the damage?

[inland shoal]

Yeah afaik

[whole crypt]

so much maffs

[blissful kraken]

Which Sakura Empire aircraft carrier should I use to pair Shinano and Nagato in a boss fleet?

[steady beacon]

Hakuryuu obviously
Uh, from your options there... Taihou + augment? Or maybe AkaMuse...?

[inland shoal]

Ideally Haku if you can get her, but probably gonna take you a while to dev30

[steady beacon]

Actually, I guess... in the ancient past it was not beyond the pale for unpaired Shoukaku to be used...
Idk if that is still remotely contemplatable these days though...

[whole crypt]

what sort of boss fleet is this and why would you want to use Nagato

[blissful kraken]

I don't even want to imagine how long will that take, especially when it took me really long to get Anchorage to fs5 (might just use enty instead)

[blissful kraken]

Just a normal boss fleet (also I know that I could use Musashi or something better imstead, currently building her)

[whole crypt]

boss where, campaign? which chapter? or OS?

[blissful kraken]

Ah, right, w13 preferably.

[whole crypt]

is there some reason this needs to be IJN

[steady beacon]

So... hypothetically speaking, if I were to supply a set of possible damage values, weighted in some way by a kind of "probability of occurrence" (albeit not one defined by a nice function like 0.9/x), would you be able to calculate the "average" damage reduction, and hence the eHP, in that hypothetical situation?

[slow fox]

Yes.

DO YOU HAVE REAL DATA!?!?!?

[blissful kraken]

For now, it's Nagato's buff, but if I finished building Musashi, I can just use something like Enty since she doesn't buff Sakura Empire ships.

[whole crypt]

mebot getting excited <_<

[inland shoal]

You're also using some sort of average dmg cap right?

[whole crypt]

don't build around Nagato, what other BBs do you have

[steady beacon]

Alas, not for a scenario that 99% of people in here would care for...
But I have become intrigued enough that I am considering sacrificing my sanity for data collection...

[cobalt rapids]

Do /cats in #bot-spam the guide lists what u should be generally looking for

[blissful kraken]

Most of the good ones I had (URs like NJ) needed more grinding to be fully usable.

[slow fox]

Yeah. It's present in the equation itself, that bullets higher than some threshold are reduced by some other threshold that scales with...I forget,it was bad.

[cobalt rapids]

They also need lbs so focus mlb one ship at a time instead of lb2ing every1

[whole crypt]

please don't spread out LB

[blissful kraken]

iirc my friend said that musashi is more important than nj so I focused on that instead halfway into grinding for nj (vanguard is because I got dupes)

[whole crypt]

what other carriers do you have, I'm thinking you might want something with better fighter cover

yes but a MLB NJ is more useful than a 2LB NJ + 2LB Musashi

[blissful kraken]

(I'll build implac later I promise)

[steady beacon]

One last question: none of the eHP calculations factor in the effect of physically dodging enemy ordnance do they?

[whole crypt]

why no Independence

all of the good carriers for 13 aren't leveled

[blissful kraken]

Not leveled yet.

[slow fox]

NopeG.

"Geometrical hitrate" is not a problem I concern myself with.

[whole crypt]

well if you can get Independence probably cheaper than raising a SR carrier, or just level up Enterprise more

you'll want to level Aquila at some point but not needed yet for now...

[blissful kraken]

Fine, I'll do it now. (didn't show this since most of them aren't important except independance)

[whole crypt]

mob fleet Independence/Unicorn/Saratoga, boss I guess you could try Hood or Suruga/Shianno/Enteprise after leveling

[steady beacon]

Reasonably so
Makes me wonder how to plausibly estimate for that, given that, in my planned scenario, the importance of geometrical hit rate absolutely cannot be ignored...
The challenges exceed the rewards, I think

[blissful kraken]

Mob fleet doesn't need a battleship, then?

[whole crypt]

also I assume your gearing is properly sorted

not for ch13, there's no suicide boats besides on cargo fleets and the carriers help make sure you get air supremacy

[blissful kraken]

Ah, okay.

[vagrant otter]

Hey I'm new, can someone tell me who's NOT worth keeping here? my docks are full q~q

[echo axle]

I got Z23 from a Light pull, is this good? I have other retros like Helena, Sandy and Uni

[inner delta]

These gray one is easy enough to get again, dont worry aboht keeping them, use them as enchance instead @vagrant otter

[sterile parrot]

limit break them all they dont cost much

[inner delta]

Shes fine just very replaceable

[vagrant otter]

I would need to level them up for that

[novel condor]

Use em as enhancement materials for your other ships

[sterile parrot]

my bad forgot you said you was new

[echo axle]

Hmm, perhaps I can build some team comps with that

[dusty gazelle]

Which Muse girl worth mlb from the get go?

[sterile parrot]

the 3 starters are all replaceable really early on use them if you like but there is much better ships

[steady beacon]

Depends on whether you have gold bulins to spare, and what other ships you currently have that may need limit breaking

[sterile parrot]

if you are new the 3 srs are pretty good

[late flame]

if you are new skip muse ships

[dusty gazelle]

I have some to spare and there'll be more to come so which one? All of em?

[echo axle]

How about Uni tho

[exotic wren]

Literally irreplaceable

[sterile parrot]

unicorn is used always one of the best ships in the game

[dusty gazelle]

Definitely still the best

[slow fox]

Why am I being blueballed with these questions without being told what they're going to amount to

[steady beacon]

If resources are not a concern for you, then I certainly would limit break and train all of them
I am greatly interested in the possibilities for both Noshi and Formi (they are somewhat narrow, but intriguing possibilities nonetheless)... I am less personally sure about Eugen, but there is at least potential
Just note that 12 Purins is a lot... I would personally try fishing for Eugen in SP5 rather than using Purins on her right away

[eternal basalt]

Or don't bother since we getting Kms soon

[steady beacon]

Gomenasai~
I'm still sorting through the possibilities/challenges in my head, but if I ever get something concrete that resembles meaningful data I promise you will be the first to know

[late flame]

tbh muse ships are really collection/waifu only since they do not give fleettech

[vagrant otter]

as a new player should I do war zones or nah?

[dusty gazelle]

Ok Formi first followed with Noshi Thank You @steady beacon

[eternal basalt]

war zones?

[slow fox]

We have resources in place so that you don't kms soon

[exotic wren]

I hope you mean war archives?

[inner delta]

[late flame]

probably meant war archives

[slow fox]

I'm sorry I will

[steady beacon]

Well, fleet tech is not the only thing ships can be used for... but I'm also not going to pretend I know how things will actually play out, so I will wait for testing before saying anything concrete about them...

[elfin tusk]

I am returning after 2 years of inactivity, any recommended ships from this SC's for fleet building, I at least have the 1, which is a Sardenga fleet, the one where Vittorio got released, me farming for cores so I can Limit Break my UR ships

[vagrant otter]

oh yes my bad. I meant war archives

[eternal basalt]

If you like Al's story, or that German one for KMS tech

[late flame]

divergent chessboard

[echo axle]

Team building

[eternal basalt]

Wait with UR Bulin, new next month

[elfin tusk]

I have 3500 of those cores, probably 3600 by now, so I can but one from the shop and fully LB Vanguard

[eternal basalt]

You need 4 for MLB

[elfin tusk]

Uh I just need 2 more for Vanguard, 3 more for Shimakaze

[eternal basalt]

Probably mean 35000, 3600 gives 0 UR Bulin

Still, keep 4 behind for May

[quaint isle]

Any good?

[jaunty vault]

niche torp meme buffer

[whole crypt]

whole banner is kind of meh

[sullen creek]

When every banner is not an op broken UR 😔

[jaunty vault]

emden was hot

[vagrant otter]

is there any way to restore shinano chan’s morale faster?

can’t

[jaunty vault]

lel

[plain saffron]

you can not use her and still get enough points

[vagrant otter]

I’m kind of new and she’s part of my one and only leveled fleet

[atomic abyss]

Time to take a break then

[vagrant otter]

wait, should I even care about affinity this early on?

[arctic lava]

how to get more quick finishers?

[whole crypt]

that's not the problem, the muse ships are just meh, mostly worse than OG even

[vagrant otter]

alright, guess I won’t abuse her then

[whole crypt]

feel free to doubt

it doesn't make the ships better

[whole crypt]

just keep playing, they come through commissions and daily/weekly missions

[jaunty vault]

take a break if morale too low to farm or use different ships

[whole crypt]

if morale is a problem it means you're also getting less XP

[atomic abyss]

USP? In battle yes

Not 2 different nodes

[kind needle]

Any of the new muse ships good rn?

Also, what to buy? Alr got Indep my choices are SHS, Type 1 Shell, Beacon, FuMO and Missile for DDGs

[whole crypt]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[steady beacon]

Do you have any shells? If not, go for the shells first (probably white)

[atomic abyss]

Nope

[whole crypt]

banner is meh

[kind needle]

Now, I’m confused to White Shell and DDG missile, my other DDG (An Shan) don’t have a missile currently
Should I go for missile?

[whole crypt]

how many DDGs are you using in a sortie and how many missiles do you have

[kind needle]

Only 2 DDGs (An Shan and Chang Chun) in my opsi but only have one missile (didn’t attempt yet)

[wind hazel]

how many shells do you have?

[whole crypt]

if you're using both actively get another missile
shells you'll usually want up to at least 3 sets

[kind needle]

Only have 2 white shells, the rest of my bbs are using the purple ones.

[wind hazel]

then get black shells

or more like, 1 black shell

[kind needle]

Got a bunch of the HSFCR thingy.

[wind hazel]

i'd still recommend getting a black shell

[whole crypt]

less priority than missile if you're using a DDG without missile

[kind needle]

Wait, is the event missile from awhile ago good?

[whole crypt]

better

[kind needle]

So, I’m down to two options, a Black Shell and a White Shell.

[whole crypt]

if you already have 2 type-1s and spare type-91s just get SHS first

[kind needle]

I got 2 black and white… so Black first?

[whole crypt]

or you could save the cores for now, shop doesn't go away

without knowing what else you might lack it's hard to give you a precise rec

even getting seal for your DDGs can be good

[kind needle]

There🫠 no seals rn

[wind hazel]

this is so different from what you told me earlier lol

[whole crypt]

you'll want 3 sets for black/white at least for a BB fleet, but I don't know how much hurry you are to get that

[novel condor]

Unless we get another x3 Hard mode

[wind hazel]

get third white shell

[whole crypt]

you'll eventually get more cores than you need anyway

[sinful elk]

Does muse ships drop in sp5

[whole crypt]

only eugem

[sinful elk]

I see, is this muse version of her better than the original

[whole crypt]

personally I'd say no

better offense but still meh, at the cost of durability, and no fleet tech

[sinful elk]

mhmhm.. right, about pr ships, is monarch worth focus in rn ( main campaign )

[eternal basalt]

Not really, PR1 is outclassed by dropships now

[whole crypt]

if you can't work on newer series PR1 can help your tech and not waste time not researching

[sinful elk]

Well currently i dont have enough factions point so i can only do pr1

[inland shoal]

I still think she's probably better in mob fights at least but then again

[sinful elk]

Alright then after I done monarch should i get some tech point to do georgia

[whole crypt]

I would agree Eugem is better than Eugen for mob fights but will you bring either of them to a mob fight to start with?

[inner delta]

If new player if they can manage to get close to mlb it would be pretty nice

Since its map drop and shop

Just by farming stage if lucky

[whole crypt]

if you get lucky farming SP5 I guess? but if you can your Portland should also work fine

[inner delta]

Yea ofc but if they are lucky shes pretty fine pick

[sullen creek]

Doubt Portland can outdamage Eugen muse

[inner delta]

Both doesnt do good dmg

[whole crypt]

if you get enough dupes I guess Eugem works, but if you don't have enough dupes I'd still save SR bulins for say, your Hood or Enterprise

[inner delta]

Yes

[sullen creek]

If your comparison is URs

[whole crypt]

it isn't though

at which point of this coversation have I brought in any rainbow ship

[inner delta]

Portland base is picked because shes cheap tank, her dmg isnt good either

[sullen creek]

Was referring to yuki's

[south sequoia]

Do you guys think its worth it to spend more time on the event just for protocores from the dr and pr bps despite having completed everything?

[inner delta]

Im only answering your saying portland vs eugen tho?

[whole crypt]

why do you think everyone is referring to UR better when we say muse banner is meh

[inner delta]

I didnt bring ur here

[whole crypt]

if you're not swimming in proto cores yet maybe, I'm doing it for the heck of it

[whole crypt]

are you done with all PRs?

[silk sphinx]

Is my brain bugging out?

[jaunty vault]

worth of time is subjective

[south sequoia]

Yep, dev30 and everything

[whole crypt]

?

[jaunty vault]

i dont see anything wrong

[whole crypt]

then you're probably fine to skip in the long term, unless you want to grab spare for FS

[silk sphinx]

D series showing up when not on focus and

[whole crypt]

yes it happens?

[jaunty vault]

wasn't the not showing up only for PR1

[whole crypt]

PR2 now as well IIRC

[silk sphinx]

Pr3 too actually

[whole crypt]

I can't remember if they took out PR3 as well

[plain saffron]

it's it still just pr1 a while ago

[whole crypt]

well then there you go, PR5 showing up is normal

[silk sphinx]

“D-series researches will not appear for ships who are already at maximum strengthening (including Fate Simulation if available for that ship), unless all ships of a series are maxed and you focus on that season.”

[plain saffron]

should i go test 🤔

[whole crypt]

you finished 6?

[silk sphinx]

A long long while ago

[plain saffron]

you finished all here so all should appear

[vagrant otter]

where can I see guide for research? I just unlocked it

[whole crypt]

then yeh I guess the face pool is just open for you

[silk sphinx]

Actually I think this was happening before nvm

[jaunty vault]

do /guide in bot spam and click on the guide compendium

[silk sphinx]

I’ve only had two hours of sleep I’ll go pick them back up

[plain saffron]

uhh wtf why monarch showing up with no focus

[whole crypt]

if you have no focus they are all free game

[jaunty vault]

cause no focus

[whole crypt]

it only filters older series if you have focus

[plain saffron]

i thought it supposed to not show up at all unless focused on 1?

[jaunty vault]

well now you know PR1 research shows up at no focus too

good for you

[plain saffron]

so gph been lying to me for the past few years

[jaunty vault]

i only speak the truth

[plain saffron]

[whole crypt]

I wasn't part of that lie if anyone said it

[round hare]

Whats a good dd for 1:1 d4 chessboard ?

[plain saffron]

ddg ddg probably

[whole crypt]

any you have strong enough to do it, if just for clearing
if cleared it should have oilcap

[round hare]

Oil cap is still alot like 35mob 47 boss, im trying kawa with unicorn but she didnt clear mob fast enough, im thinking of suzutsuki

[whole crypt]

if Kawakaze with aug doesn't cut it I doubt Suzutsuki will do much better

what's your main fleet

[round hare]

Impero swapped with sara, and usually hood on flag but i was 12-4 farming for level so i moved around, hood kawa and sara all have gold aux

[whole crypt]

no I mean the main fleet ship you want to use for that 1:1

[round hare]

Idk it looks like her barrage is more ranged and spam-able than kawa from what im seeing

[round hare]

Unicorn and kawa atm

[plain saffron]

do you have any crossfleet in the other fleet

[round hare]

Wym by crossfleet, like soyuz?

[wind hazel]

ye

[round hare]

I have her and kronk

[wind hazel]

just stack all crossfleet on your 2nd fleet, makes it easier to use 1:1

[round hare]

I see

💀

Wait what

[whole crypt]

you need to fill at least one of the slot reqs for both fleets

do you have Volga

or Aquila

[round hare]

I did now, still doesnt work

[whole crypt]

you need to fill the reqs in each of the main and vanguard fleets for both fleets

[round hare]

Hmmm

[whole crypt]

you'll need a CV in fleet 1 to use that fleet

[plain saffron]

rip the stage can't use unicorn

[round hare]

Alright

[plain saffron]

honoka time?

[round hare]

I only have like 3 fairly leveled cvs

[plain saffron]

or whatever her name

[whole crypt]

has he been around for long enough for DOAXVV

[plain saffron]

then just don't bother low cost, when you do 2:1 fullfleet prob better

[round hare]

I joined like 2months ago or something, nearly the end of soyuz

[whole crypt]

yep... just use oil cap

[round hare]

Its like 700 difference for 8runs, is that alot?

[hollow gust]

the oil cap is so low on this one, you gain like nada

[round hare]

Im running impero with kawa rn, seems fine

[whole crypt]

chessboard D4, not SP5, you can save like 10 oil per fight with a CV/DD comp if you have the ships

[round hare]

Yeah, so like 70oil/completion

[whole crypt]

if that survives all the mob fights you can go with that I guess

[round hare]

just abuse level buff

[plain saffron]

impero + kaza is 23 oils, gain drops only bcs maxed ship
at 35 oils you can get exp for 6 ships

welp kawa is not maxed maxed but you get the point

[round hare]

Its acc quite good since i can level impero

[plain saffron]

ouh impero not maxed lvl. so drop + exp of 2 ship

[round hare]

Kaza is?

[plain saffron]

which is still less efficient than full fleet + oil cap
kawa

[whole crypt]

depends on how much damage you take per fight, if you take too much over the whole run then that's not going to fly
Suzutsuki might work though, if I remember correctly she has zombie heal?

[round hare]

Yes she does have zombie which was part of my consideration, but kawa seems fine

They barely take any damage

[round hare]

Or they dont even have a chance to shoot

[small fern]

I farmed so much i ran out of oil

[glass quest]

does the 5h research gives more Hindenburg blueprints?

[eager mulch]

it gives 2 guaranteed

[sharp socket]

why doesnt opsi give ship drops

[soft raft]

because that's what the devs intended when they designed the mode
For whatever reason that might've been

[icy mountain]

im at 345 cubes, how much x10 pulls do you usually need to get a UR?

[soft raft]

varies wildly based on your luck but in the worst case scenario, 400 cubes/200 pulls to guarentee pity

[icy mountain]

looks like ill be able to save more than 400 b4 new UR drops

[jaunty vault]

does carl barrage fired from off tank counts as that off tank damage for endscreen damage numbers

[south sequoia]

It counts towards the ships that fired off the barrage since the barrage behaves as if it's any other barrage fired by that ship

[jaunty vault]

[final swan]

Can someone help me make a W15 mob/boss fleet?

[jaunty vault]

/w15 in bot spam and read that

it should have everything you need for w15

[final swan]

Gotcha, thank you

[jaunty vault]

but if you still feel youre missing something

you can come back here

one thing you might need to remember is that only latter half of w15 has subs

same like w14

[final swan]

Sheesh, had a LOT of trouble going thru 15-1 and stuck at 15-2 now

[jaunty vault]

[final swan]

And the bot is for 15-4 only or is it good generally?

[jaunty vault]

anything that works for 15-4 works for every w15 and w14 stage

[final swan]

Gotcha

[cobalt rapids]

15-4 fleets are capable of 15-x stages
also 15-4 fleets are capable of any campaign stage with minimal adjustments

[final swan]

Gotcha

The fleet shows a lot of paincaks plains and I dont have those yet, what I substitute the, with?

[cobalt rapids]

5. Full flapjack on support carriers is best, but skyrocket and fw190a5 are cheaper and also good. For surface fleets, flapjacks are best, followed by tigercat/pirateCorsair/seahornet. Prioritize flapjacks for surface fleets.

[tacit mortar]

guys does kaga's skill work with akagi muse?

[cobalt rapids]

it does

[tacit mortar]

nice! and thank you!

[cobalt rapids]

akaga skills works with any akaga alts

[final swan]

Wait, since when the fw109a5 is good?

God this game changed

[cobalt rapids]

since we got w15 support fleet

[soft raft]

it's only good for support fleet because support fleet only cares about pure AA

And the fw109 has quite alot of AA
It's still dogshit in every other regard

[south sequoia]

It's not that its good, it just found its once niche use for one world

For a mechanic that nothing else has

[final swan]

But for the main CVs what is good to substitute the pancakes?

[soft raft]

For surface fleets, flapjacks are best, followed by tigercat/pirateCorsair/seahornet. Prioritize flapjacks for surface fleets.

[final swan]

Where is that written? Cause I may need to go to that place a lot if times

[soft raft]

the second half of here #gameplay-help message
which was taken from the bot command

[viscid swift]

in the bot command

[final swan]

Wdym?

I feel both dumb and old

[vagrant otter]

how do I unlock 2nd floor dorm?

[final swan]

U buy it

[hushed tree]

Hey guys, I know there might be some guide somewhere online (especially from CN Community) but what's the most Meta Fleet that specializes on Vanguard DPS (that would include that the Main would mostly be supporting the Vanguard).

[vagrant otter]

where exactly?

[final swan]

On the floor number, u click there and will show u. Its 500 gems

[steady beacon]

Fighting... which enemy exactly?
Because I'm pretty sure the answer changes depending on that

[whole crypt]

need to have fully expanded 1/F first

[hushed tree]

Oh, so there's no general answer, huh?

Well, I guess if I were to use such fighting Bosses from the Monthly Challenges and OpSi, for example.

[final swan]

No need to mate, I have 4 slots and just accidentally bought mine

[whole crypt]

monthly challenges are monthly, the gimmick is different every month
OS depends on which boss

[whole crypt]

not dorm slots, you need to fully expand floor space on 1/F

[hushed tree]

Welp, I guess that means there's no optimal Vanguard DPS Fleet, then.

Back to just Firepower and Aviation. XD

[final swan]

Oh yeah, right u can do that hahahahahhaha

[cobalt rapids]

the info is in the /w15 bot command, point 5. specifically

[final swan]

Thank you

So, the fleets on the bots say the jean darc and volga, but mine are not leveled up, what can I put in their places?

[whole crypt]

nothing replaces JdA, Volga can be replaced with Aquila somewhat, but you're better off spending the time leveling them anyway

[cobalt rapids]

hard to say without knowing ur dock
but jda consistency cant be replaced but u can put another decently bulky ship which compensates with dmg over support like unzen
and for volga u could replace with smth like klaudia or just another high dmg cv
but if u give up both supports in cv and jda then ull need to dps race rly good, else just raise jda

[final swan]

The leveled up ones

[whole crypt]

I see a lot of wasted 125s

[final swan]

Yeah, played the game for 3 years without caring much

[whole crypt]

but Aquila's right there

[cobalt rapids]

ply/ancho + klaudia, but klaudia aint rly lvled so

[cobalt rapids]

aql is taken by mob

[final swan]

Aquila is on the mob so cant be on boss

Not gonna say nothing about the perseuss?

[whole crypt]

perseus has no place in 15

[cobalt rapids]

ig u can try percy

[acoustic thistle]

are the new formidable and eugen and noshiro better than their normal counterpart?

[cobalt rapids]

probably

[whole crypt]

Formi Muse is rubbish

[cobalt rapids]

avg gold cv

[trim path]

is there a standout ship i should focus on first in the operation siren meta thing?

[final swan]

Which one of them? Hahahahahahahaha will configure one of them then

[whole crypt]

Eugem is a better mob tank I guess, Moshiro is a torp meme ship

[cobalt rapids]

wdym which one

[final swan]

Look closely hahahahahha

[cobalt rapids]

oh u got 2..

then the oathed 125 one or just any 125 one

[viscid swift]

[whole crypt]

you could probably Musashi/Aquila/Unicorn mob then Kearsarge/Yorktown II/Hakuryuu boss

just don't use Perseus for 15

[cobalt rapids]

theres nothing wrong with percy on 15

[worldly pewter]

@steady beacon since there is the chance to get the bf 109 from proto prints i will wait until the last day before investing any to finish the fleet is it worth ?

[final swan]

Why is she so bad for 15? I’ll be on manual so shouldn’t be a problem

[whole crypt]

just low damage uptime

[steady beacon]

Good idea
No need to rush, provided you have enough time to deal with any last hitches on that last day

[whole crypt]

you shouldn't need her if you're using Unicorn

[viscid swift]

Perseus is just worse than Unicorn and because the 2 fullfill a similar role they make each other redundant

[cobalt rapids]

unicorn is literally in mob

[whole crypt]

if you're going manual then JdA shouldn't be necessary

[cobalt rapids]

[whole crypt]

are you seriously suggesting he put Perseus's shit DPS into boss fleet just so he can heal on bosses?

[cobalt rapids]

im suggesting percy 125 over the alternatives yes

[viscid swift]

I wouldn't

either just don't run a healer in the boss fleet or wait for Jeanne and/or Volga to be leveled up at that point

[whole crypt]

you'll have more luck stacking more DPS to kill faster than hoping Perseus will keep shit alive
if you need heal on boss fleet it's either Volga or Aquila

I guess you could try Painleve, I haven't tried

[glossy forum]

should i get nj or shinano from ur pity?

[whole crypt]

do you have bulins to spare for them, and which are you lacking more between BB and CV

[cobalt rapids]

i didnt I had mroe success with painleve over another dps cv like indep,enty, haku etc.

[viscid swift]

Perseus isn't Painleve though

[whole crypt]

Painleve is also a CV with normal damage, unlike Perseus

[cobalt rapids]

[whole crypt]

I guess you could try Painleve, I haven't tried

[cobalt rapids]

anyway its manuall so im not arguing for it anymore

[whole crypt]

but yeh if you have vanguard durability problems on manual, maybe not manualling might be a better idea

[viscid swift]

not like the boss fleet matters that much anyway in this context, mob fleet can do everything but the 2nd boss in 15-4

[final swan]

I think I’ll risk it with a UvH for dps and kill the boss fast

[glossy forum]

i have roughly the same amount of each

[viscid swift]

you can't thanks to smokecreens

[steady beacon]

Do you mean the META Archives?

[whole crypt]

Shinano I guess, wouldn't really matter if you can't MLB them on short notice anyway

[final swan]

Mlb?

[whole crypt]

max limit break

[final swan]

Shinano is MLB

[whole crypt]

for cookie's question

what are you dying to

[final swan]

15-2 normally boss fleet gets annihilated before 50% of boss hp

[cobalt rapids]

15-2 is dps race

[viscid swift]

15-2 is the place where you need to stack damage

also rudder on your BB for good measure

[haughty dust]

Is this piece of gear worth crafting right now with my current gear situation?

[cobalt rapids]

the only place where u need offheal in boss is on -4

[steady beacon]

If you're playing manual with a dedicated boss fleet, then this is certainly a plausible option... up until the last boss of 15-4... unfortunately, once you're facing three targets, this doesn't quite work smoothly anymore
Although, in saying that, Idt UvH is the way to go

[final swan]

Until I get to 15-4 at least volga should be MLB

[whole crypt]

was it Fusou or Yamashiro, I just remember it hits main fleet quite hard and you just want really good anti heavy

[viscid swift]

Ise and Hyuuga

[cobalt rapids]

its very niche

[haughty dust]

Well, do you think I should or not? I can’t really craft any rainbow gear at the moment but I’m trying to wean away from the purple gear. I’m trying to get whatever SR or rainbow gear. I can get more rainbow gear. I apologize for voice to text being goofy.

[whole crypt]

well, another reason to not choose Perseus
if you're playing manual you can hold airstrikes to clear screen when enemy BB shells

[final swan]

I should be back in 30 min with news, until then thank you guys

[cobalt rapids]

just stick to twin 90s and roombas

[haughty dust]

Remind me which two of those pieces of gear off and I don’t know right now and I’m not at my computer

[trim path]

i think so? the one unlocked with the brownish/red currency

[whole crypt]

oh right the fuous were 14

[icy mountain]

how much coins do i need to lb a UR ship?

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki cognitive awaken

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Cognitive_Awakening

[viscid swift]

more than 20k

[icy mountain]

25k?

[icy mountain]

okay i guess correctly

[soft raft]

you were 1k off
but close enough

[icy mountain]

add 1k

[whole crypt]

"a shit tonne if you're not lategame coingrinding"

[steady beacon]

Yep, meta archives
None that are strictly "must haves", but they're all variously usable in their own ways
Some have nice tech (e.g. Souryuu gives CV RLD+2, Hiryuu and Ark Royal CV ACC+2, and I'm probably forgetting a few others)
Helena... is a bit of a relic of a past age, but has interesting uses still in some situations, and can be used for some fun combinations with enough imagination... I would probably go for her first in your place, for that reason

[icy mountain]

and i need 300k coins to if i get to pull 400 cubes 😭

i need to plan b4 new UR event comes so i can save

[whole crypt]

or roughly 12 runs of 14-1 if that's easier to understand

[viscid swift]

eh, just try and get close to 400k if you're gonna go all in day 1

[trim path]

gotcha, ty

[icy mountain]

im still at world 9 tho

[whole crypt]

if you're aiming to hit pity anyway just do it over the course of the whole event

[icy mountain]

just in case i need to hit pity

[whole crypt]

yeh but you're not looking to build all 200 builds on day 1

[icy mountain]

hopefully i pull the new UR in like 50 pulls

[whole crypt]

you should have 3 weeks to get more coins

[icy mountain]

🙏

[icy mountain]

but my research tho..

ill find a way

[whole crypt]

research is lower priority

and I don't mean 3 weeks from now till event, I mean event should be 3 weeks

[icy mountain]

yeah i can farm coins like crazy at sp5

[willow dust]

How do i do ex without crying

[cobalt rapids]

use 3 vanguards

[whole crypt]

if you're done with event drop SP5 and go back to ch9, should be better

[willow dust]

Which vanguards

[whole crypt]

also if possible psuh for ch11 if you have the time

[cobalt rapids]

ancho helena ply or smth

[icy mountain]

9-1 should be cool or maybe 9-4?

[whole crypt]

9-4 better for coin, 9-1 higher XP/oil if you need to level ships to move on

[cobalt rapids]

as long as u use 3 vanguards u enter non challenge mod which is relatively easy to do with decent fleets on auto

[willow dust]

Do i need like maxed gear or no

[cobalt rapids]

use BBs aswell

[whole crypt]

won't say max, need proper gear though

[fading saddle]

Questions : What are good teams for world 13 (every maps, NM and HM) ? I'm at 13-1 and put it on hold because I can't even pass it.
I have basically every shipgirls aside from drop ones from 13+ and PR 5 and 6 (and only half of PR 4). I just don't know what to use as mob and boss fleet and I have troubles understanding guides

[cobalt rapids]

you need the good gear

[whole crypt]

and they'll still die if you take too long to kill

[icy mountain]

9-4 it is then

[whole crypt]

if you fight with more than 1 vanguard EX is just a very hard boss fight, not manual bullet hell shit

[vale apex]

what is offflag is it the top one

[icy mountain]

i keep getting cockblocked by my level currently at lvl67

[cobalt rapids]

off flag means any position that isnt flag

[whole crypt]

off flag is any position that's not flag

[viscid swift]

depends, on what you have, start a thread and post your dock

[whole crypt]

keep grinding ch9 then

[willow dust]

Why BB over carriers

[cobalt rapids]

coz eugen has shields that block tbs

[whole crypt]

she also has super high AA

[willow dust]

Also what do i do if i dont have ply

[cobalt rapids]

replace with another good ship

[fading saddle]

I can do a thread for that ? Welp I'll do it then.

[willow dust]

Cheshire?

[cobalt rapids]

not rly, something that helps u dps racing

either another dmg dealer, support, or both

[willow dust]

I just checked and outside of mushashi i have no good bbs

[cobalt rapids]

post ur dock in thread

[fading saddle]

Help with fleet building for 13+

[final swan]

So it worked UvH, York II(will change), Biscuit II, Shima, Laffey II, Sandy (boss) got 15-2 done reasonably well

And I tried so much that got 3 stars and 25%

[hollow gust]

why change york2, uvh is the weaker one

[final swan]

Done on manual, and Buscuit II and UVH comboed really nicely and York II is the wrong build so its easier to change than build her at this moment in time

[hollow gust]

york 2 is your only intercept , and not to even mention acv , sounds like your bbs are dead

[final swan]

That was 15-2 mate 1st clear as well

[hollow gust]

you do you, if u insist yorky is the weaker one , just saying shes doing more then you think

[final swan]

Oh yeah, i know but i cant afford to build her right rn I’m broke af

[hollow gust]

?? its two fighters and a dive bomber, there is no reason you cant reasnablly equip her considering a look at your dock

[final swan]

I mean good stuff not shitty planes ie: pancake and a better bomber

[hollow gust]

[final swan]

I just can’t afford them 3 rn

Dont have gold parts to create the pancake

[viscid swift]

do you have tigercats, or sea hornets

[hollow gust]

you can hellcat yorktown and she does her job...

[viscid swift]

or another Wyvern

[final swan]

Didn’t think about wyverns, i have 4 of those (equipped but not used)

Done, thanks for the ideas

[stark quiver]

between NJ and musashi, whos better for antilight

[hollow gust]

nj

[sharp token]

how many hours will it take to 0 to max morale without the dorm?

[steady beacon]

You can't hit the max of 150 without dorm, but uh
20/h, with cap 119, so... let's say six hours

[still gate]

hello. i was told that u need to have 2 fleets. first is for clearing general mobs and second one for the boss. is that so?

[forest palm]

as you progress later on it's good, early on you just focus on one fleet

[hollow gust]

later game sure, early game up to w9 can be done with one fleet

[steady beacon]

Good stuff, but as was implied above... double fighter Yorktown (Idk about Hellcats, granted, but I did use VF-17s myself) is perfectly acceptable for boss

But as long as it works, that's all that matters

[eager mulch]

it could work now sure but 15-3 and 15-4 are different kinds of beasts

[opaque yacht]

who's better enterprise or essex

[eager mulch]

[hollow gust]

enterprise shits on essex

[still gate]

does the oil consumption increase with increase of levels of ships in ur fleet?

[eager mulch]

tiny amount

[hollow gust]

technically yes, practically no

[frank pulsar]

hull type and the ship's rarity contribute to oil cost as well

i think limit breaks also contributed...? idr

[opaque yacht]

should i 125 every ship that gets to max 120?

[steady beacon]

It does for non-UR... and I want to say META...

[frank pulsar]

cog array is much more scarce than regular cog chip, save for strong ships or ships that need it

[eager mulch]

125 the really good ships that you are going to use in hard stuff like W15 where the 5 extra levels matter

[sweet delta]

Same

[frank pulsar]

my sushi does more than nj on light

[hollow gust]

your nj has skill issues

[eager mulch]

my nj is on the bench so my sushi does more on light

[stark quiver]

yea im tryna do CM again but this time with timing

[frank pulsar]

just run 20s soyuz + double cv and aurora

[stark quiver]

my ships shot too fast 💀

[frank pulsar]

remove hsfcr, iirc one +9 autoloader on lv125 soyuz with mk7 will hit 20s

+10 if zero tech

[eager mulch]

I hear a soyuz with 199 rld + mk7 + 2 cvs works

[steady beacon]

Probably easier to just specify hit 199 RLD

[hollow gust]

dont forget to account for cats

[frank pulsar]

idr the exact rld

[stark quiver]

no cats

[frank pulsar]

tldr just use enough autoloader to hit 199 rld with a mk7

and run double cv so she doesnt get cucked

[stark quiver]

i got a whole ass 6 BB reload

[frank pulsar]

uh smth smth high rof gun on vanguard is recc to break shield faster

[eager mulch]

I have 2

[frank pulsar]

i have 2 stop complaining

[opal stream]

i have 17

[pliant acorn]

Can i defeat the ops siren boss w this specs? . Im planning to speak run the boss

[frank pulsar]

which boss

[eager mulch]

maybe

[pliant acorn]

The easy one

[stark quiver]

arbiter yes

[whole crypt]

that's basically as good as no adapts for anything that's higher than a C4 enforcer

[eager mulch]

you can do normal arbiter with 0 adapts

[hollow gust]

Lmao have fun killing arby with that

[frank pulsar]

abyssal or arbiter or what

[steady beacon]

Oathed Soyuz? If no, reduce your RLD tech to 5 and use a +7 Autoloader
If yes, use a +2 Autoloader
These assuming Level 125 Soyuz and that I'm not misremembering her base RLD values

[pliant acorn]

This boss :>

[stark quiver]

[whole crypt]

you can do normbiter with no adapts but it's not worth the trouble

[frank pulsar]

i mean you can, but getting more adapts would make killing it take a lot less time

[whole crypt]

there's like 2 days left just do the zones with bonus adapts before trying

[stark quiver]

i have soyuz at 158 reload with +11 autoloader and a white shell

[whole crypt]

have you just be ignoring OS the whole month

[hollow gust]

Depends how strong your fleets are

[steady beacon]

158 RLD, so... not 125 then?

[pliant acorn]

Thanks for the answers

[frank pulsar]

125 has 166 rld
is yours like lv115 or smth

[stark quiver]

125, weird, well 164 if counting cats

[frank pulsar]

did you max enhance

[steady beacon]

In either event, it really doesn't matter apart from the fact that lower level = you're gonna suffer damage loss, possibly to the point of failing to nuke the balls

[whole crypt]

don't forget tech

[stark quiver]

oh no

[frank pulsar]

lmao

[steady beacon]

Oh your 6 is cats, not tech?

[pliant acorn]

Heres my fleet compo for the boss XD

[stark quiver]

time to do SP5 for some grays i guess lmao, i forgot enhancing was a thing

[eager mulch]

uvh flag tech

[whole crypt]

honestly even if you had top meta fleets 0 adapt normbiter is going to be painful

the idea is you can do it, not that it'll be easy to

[opal stream]

just annoying

[eager mulch]

death by a thousand cuts

[frank pulsar]

a thousand retries

[whole crypt]

and it's not something you do 2 days before month change, it's shit people "challenge" on day 1 or something

[eager mulch]

idk I see uvh flag and two mob fleets there

[hollow gust]

Ouch those fleets

[opal stream]

better late than not doing

[whole crypt]

I think he'll have more luck just spending a day farming adapts

dude's probably got more AP than he can finish by end of month anyway

[stark quiver]

spend today farming adapts and tomorrow attemtping it, btw, everytime u fight with one fleet in HARD arbiter, you can go back to dock change gear and continue

[steady beacon]

... you mean normal, right

Or does "dock" mean what I think it does

[whole crypt]

no, you can reenter with normbiter regardless of fleets used, and you can't reenter harbiter regardless of fleets used

[still gate]

how good are ships in current banner? also i was told that there will be some ur rerun in the may. is that so?

[whole crypt]

I don't he has a gear swapping issue

[whole crypt]

ships are meh
late May is CN anniversary so new UR

[hollow gust]

He can also buy those adapts from shop , 1 prob gives him 120 adapt which is enough for 2 fleet harby

[stark quiver]

nono, its something a friend taught me, u cant leave and reenter, but you can go to home screen and change gear, then fight again in harbiter

[still gate]

what does meh mean? bad?

[opal stream]

you cant do that in hard

[whole crypt]

that's what you do if you don't have enough gear and need to share gear across 4 fleets

[steady beacon]

OK, so you're just talking about gear swapping
"Dock" made it sound like going back to port, which causes the Arbiter to reset if hard

[viscid swift]

unremarkable and permantly available options are comparable if not better

[whole crypt]

you can't use the fleets again just by regearing

[stark quiver]

yea gear swapping, mb if i confused u

[still gate]

ok ok

another question. should i spend gems i get on dorm and doc improvement? i mean new slots etc

[whole crypt]

dorm ideally 3 slots + 2/F, dock as much as you need to hold more new ships

[frank pulsar]

1 slot not 3

3 is total for first floor

[whole crypt]

that

if you want to hold every ship in the game you'll need close to 700 dock space, but you can take your time to get there

[frank pulsar]

youll prob have enough free gem to do so by the time you even get close to that number anyway

[whole crypt]

you can actually get up to 300 ships or so quite quickly

whether you stock enough gems for dock by then is

[worldly pewter]

i d focus more on clearing the map

[whole crypt]

there's enough time to clear the map and clear normbitter

[worldly pewter]

yeah but is it worth more than strongholds abyssals and hidden areas
also i don't know about his ap an shop situation

[vagrant panther]

Query: what is the best use for Brest? (Considering that I have Guam already as a tank)

[whole crypt]

tank for another fleet

[elfin hollow]

is it worth to use oil from the mail for this event if i want to get more skins?

[hollow gust]

sure its whatevs

[steady beacon]

I mean, you can use your mail oil however you like... if you want those skins, go for it

[whole crypt]

if you mean buying the shop oil to grind more the conversion rate is good

[elfin hollow]

no, i already bought it

i mean oil from my mail stash, i was saving it for yorktown rerun for hellcats

[whole crypt]

compensation oil... shrug, that's up to you, if you have enough saved

Yorktown II rerun is still pretty far off

[elfin hollow]

13k oil... i lost it all during guam's event because i had to hit pity, then i had issues with chi an and carl respectively

[whole crypt]

you'll probably have more morale and time problems than oil if you've already been saving usually

Superimposition was Dec 2022, at the current rate I don't expect the rerun to come before this calendar year ends

[elfin hollow]

also how many points should i get for the shop, i'm at 40k+ atm and got a copy of eugen and the towels

[whole crypt]

if you want the gear skins you could farm points to buy more of the skin boxes alongside farming for the skin

[elfin hollow]

got the cogs and stones, still got to get the offnyas and pr6 prints, i got enough for fs5 anyway

[tame orchid]

hmm abyssal refrain was in 2022 and we got a rerun this year

[whole crypt]

unless you also want to keep farming coin and buy the gear skin box every coin shop refresh

[tame orchid]

well rerun is def not this year

[still gate]

how to understand the appropriate role/class (e.g. tank or support) of the ship? based on stats and skills? i have been playing for few weeks now and even though i understand fleet structure this part about ships is still complicated

[whole crypt]

Peregrination was the timeslot for Refrain 2 years ago, so it came just over 2 years after

[inner delta]

ya skill

[worldly pewter]

reading their skills

[inner delta]

skill and stat but more of skill

[jaunty vault]

i say stats matter more

[obtuse remnant]

I was told to save my gâcha material because in a month or so there would be a special event. What is the event? And how many summoning cubes should I try to save? I’m very new so any help is appreciated Ty

[whole crypt]

CN anniversary in late May, most lilely new UR

[left tiger]

any of the new muse ship good?

[viscid swift]

not particularly

[whole crypt]

not sure how new you are but if you want a guarantee for the new rainbow ship then you'll need 400 cubes by end of the event in early/mid June, as well as the coins to make the builds

[umbral turret]

Hey, I've been playing for a long time casually and just recently decided I wanted to try some of the "harder" stuff, are there some general go to boss/mob fleets to clear chapter 12 and onward ? All I'm lacking dock-wise are the better PRI and a loooot of gear but I'm mainly looking for a guideline regarding what to farm for

[whole crypt]

12 is easy, if you have trouble with 12 we have a lot to talk about

[viscid swift]

no such thing as general, it depends on what you have and you will probably need different fleets for W13, 14 ,and 15

[whole crypt]

also different fleets for OS grinding/OS bosses

(assuming you've been doing OS at all)

[worldly pewter]

post dock and all gear in a thread

[low juniper]

What do you get from the ISP stages

[whole crypt]

1 time reward cube + coins

should I swap Laffey out for Unzen or some other DPS ship

[hollow gust]

EX?

[whole crypt]

OS

[hollow gust]

ill rather take an aurora over laffey

[whole crypt]

well I don't only use the fleet for light

actually how well does Yorktown's debuff work against Eugem

[hollow gust]

just change every month

[whole crypt]

if I was going to bother changing ships every month I wouldn't really be asking to replace Laffey now would I

[left tiger]

who's better to MLB, shimakaze or shinano?

[whole crypt]

depends on how that affects your comps after the MLB but likely Shinano

[left tiger]

alright

[grizzled lion]

Why does it seem that this event makes my fleets exhausted faster than anything else before? Can get through maybe 3 or 4 sorties and bam. Get the exhausted message

[vale spindle]

Your ships start with 150 morale upon acquisition but they can only regen up to 119 if you dont put them in dorm

[red stirrup]

guys, does Oscar have a 15% chance to proc before a fight or does it roll the chance on each of your ships on your fleet? Its been procing with a really high chance for me

[grizzled lion]

Ok. And only way to get dorm space is by gems right?

[whole crypt]

per fight

[grizzled lion]

Easiest way to get gems? I was dumb before and used atleast 100 or 2 on other stuff. 1 was a floor expansion for the 1st floor but I'm guessing I mucked that up

[novel condor]

uh how do u recover affinity?

[jaunty vault]

using ship

16 battles for 1 affinity
8 if MVP always

[whole crypt]

clear campaign 3-stars, collection, all one-time otherwise it's 💸

[novel condor]

[whole crypt]

don't use ship when red morale

when ship has 0 morale she gains half XP and loses affinity

the game even warns you when you hit it

[jaunty vault]

just to confirm, you mean dorm slots by dorm space and not dorm expansion, right?

[novel condor]

oh no wonder my Leonardo is in disappointment affinty rn

[jaunty vault]

cant lose affinity if its at 0

[whole crypt]

what have you been doing with da Vinci subs shouldn't really lose morale

[grizzled lion]

@jaunty vault i bought 1slot for 1st floor. But then did a floor expansion right after to expand placed food for xp

[novel condor]

good question I actually dunno how she got to this point

wait do ships lose affinity if they die?

[whole crypt]

did you keep getting her sunk or something

[jaunty vault]

f2ps really shouldn't be expanding food space..

[whole crypt]

they lose 10 morale, but they don't lose affinity directly

[opaque yacht]

how to gain affinity

[whole crypt]

I still have no idea how you managed to get a sub down to 25 affinity anyway

[novel condor]

prob this one but the only times I remb her sinking often was during opsi fights? not sure bout any other content

[jaunty vault]

@opaque yacht

[grizzled lion]

@jaunty vault I'm sure I'll put money into the game at some point. I already did with the lvl 70 pack 🤣🤣

[hollow gust]

put a ship as your main secretary

[opaque yacht]

oh thanks

[whole crypt]

OS has no effect on affinity

[novel condor]

oh then idk lmao

[still gate]

wait i can obtain akagi and kaga from 3-4? how good are they considering that i am in world 6 now?

and how good is ranger?

[viscid swift]

they're not good

[whole crypt]

well whatever it is, use her as your leftmost secretary, that passively increases their affinity by like 1 every 6 hours, up to 90

[novel condor]

ima try to get her back up to normal

[whole crypt]

you can use her later

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips might wanna give that a read

[hollow gust]

just toss her as your secretary for a week or two

[still gate]

wow thanks

[sonic flame]

Its been a few days already, I would like to know if the new Muse ships are any good. At least at the same level of the usual Super Rares we get?

[vale spindle]

Golds good elites meh

So yes basically the same as other event ssr

[whole crypt]

how long does max proficiency last for lv12 lecture

[umbral turret]

Here

[whole crypt]

I'm struggling to even call golds good for this one

[still gate]

i was told that yuudachi retrofit is a beast. should i in her?

[whole crypt]

she's good but can you afford her

[eternal basalt]

Do you have Laffey II?

[vale spindle]

she's somewhat expensive so it depends on your other options

[rose whale]

what's "formidable unlock stamp"? I just received it but can't find

[sweet delta]

beastnightmare of solomon

[eternal basalt]

Event item, check your stamp book

[still gate]

i started playing about 3 weeks ago

[whole crypt]

don't bother with Yuudachi for now then

[rose whale]

oh, not a free formi for me?

thanks tho

[grizzled lion]

How much longer on this event and would there be enough time to get 4 lvl 80 and up to lvl100 for the last stamp on the1st page for the event?

[round hare]

8th may

[grizzled lion]

So I should be able to get the avg 100 lvlby then with atleast 1 fleet.

[exotic flax]

Is there any use in a second copy of Shinano?
I reached 400 pulls on the event banner and I can only choose NJ or Shinano and I've got both MLB and a spare copy of NJ already.

[sweet delta]

Fleet power leaderboard

[jaunty vault]

is there a fleet i can copy that works for every ISP stage

[whole crypt]

throw rainbows at the problem

[sweet delta]

I haven't beaten any of them does any rainbow work

[novel condor]

throw your 120s at em

[jaunty vault]

why use any rainbow when you can use the best

[hollow gust]

Basically anything works lol

[viscid swift]

even with AP BBs still one salvoed the DD one

[whole crypt]

they're like EX gimmicks toned down about to 0.1%

[whole crypt]

I mean I wasn't really looking but whatever ISP1 was I think I just barely made it with Unicorn/Laffey

[jaunty vault]

kongou mus

[whole crypt]

how long does it take for full proficiency to empty on lv12 lecture hall

[sweet delta]

Do the math

[steady beacon]

Well, by a relatively simple calculation, if the max stored is 220000 and the rate of conversion is 6600 an hour, 33 and 1/3 of an hour, or 33 hours and 20 minutes...

[jaunty vault]

its 220k

[steady beacon]

Sorry, I misread

Multiply by ten

[sweet delta]

Happens to the best

[jaunty vault]

so 33.3 hoursor 33 hours 20 mins

[sweet delta]

So 30 hours and 200 minutes

[jaunty vault]

i am the best

[steady beacon]

Oh God
I need to go to sleep

[jaunty vault]

no you need caffeine

[steady beacon]

I am on caffeine and it's apparently not working

[jaunty vault]

id continue this but i dont wanna get bonked

[cobalt rapids]

close enough to guam nj boosted indep to call her an option
altho i admit indep deals better with naka to not explode ur vang right on spawn

[steady beacon]

Wait a second...
I am obviously tripping, aren't I...
22,000 x 10 = 220,000... and if multiplication goes through the fraction, why did multiplying the RHS by 10 not work...

[sweet delta]

Just use both Perseus and indep for MAXIMUM CROSSFLEET like I do

[jaunty vault]

you need sleep thats why

[steady beacon]

Stig, 3 1/3 x 10... IS 33 and 1/3...

[grizzled lion]

@sweet delta maximum crossfleet?

[steady beacon]

You made me think I had completely lost my mind...

[rain tiger]

If I want a ship that was part of an event, do I have to wait for a rerun or do they get added to the standard build pools? For example, if I want Perseus, am I shit out of luck until an Aurora Noctis rerun?

[sweet delta]

Did I do wrong math?

[steady beacon]

Oh you wrote... 30 hours and 200 minutes
Another missed zero
OK, good night

[eager mulch]

depends on whether the ship has rerun or not yet, perseus is in perma special

[sweet delta]

Nothing for a new player to worry about

[whole crypt]

15-3 lethal?

[cobalt rapids]

15-4

[grizzled lion]

Well now I'm curious and gonna google now 🤣

[cobalt rapids]

lethal ofc

[eager mulch]

maximum crossfleet?

[rain tiger]

Is there a way to know what's what? I don't see it on the client

[whole crypt]

vanguard is Anchorage Sandy and who?

[eager mulch]

i pinged a random person

[cobalt rapids]

unzen

[whole crypt]

[jaunty vault]

can i 1:1 1 fleet SP and have my 1:1 vanguard survive with atleast 50% HP

[eager mulch]

wiki tbh

[rain tiger]

gotcha

thanks ❤️

[novel condor]

yours doesnt? wait whuch stage is this

[cobalt rapids]

can but idk about %hp

[whole crypt]

muSP?

[jaunty vault]

SP muse, havent tried it yet, doing ISP

[novel condor]

uh is that the ex stage?

[whole crypt]

my muSP fleet

[jaunty vault]

no thats the SP stage

ISP is an extra stage thats neither SP nor EX

[novel condor]

ah normal stage

this one?

[whole crypt]

next page

[novel condor]

oh that one

[jaunty vault]

this thing

[grizzled lion]

Cross fleet shit sounds tiresome. There's already so much to learn😒

[whole crypt]

and no the BB fleet doesn't fight, Unicorn and Laffey can fight boss 0 ammo with cross fleet

[jaunty vault]

[novel condor]

just do full fleet

[jaunty vault]

need oil for hous2 farm

[novel condor]

also gimme your oil wtf u got 14k

[whole crypt]

yeh I'm saving my oil for event grind too

[jaunty vault]

i got like 10 times more in mail

[novel condor]

I prob should do that too, I keep yoinking my mail oil for events

[jaunty vault]

is soyuz crossfleet better than nj

[whole crypt]

SP3 costs 28 oil a run, can't spend too much running other shit

[sweet delta]

soyuz crossfleet is the best

[cobalt rapids]

only the best

[whole crypt]

why not both

[novel condor]

which SP stages the most effecient for grinding? Sp5?

[jaunty vault]

both it is

[flint scroll]

hey anyone have this weird glitch? im trying to equip an shan to my main fleet but for some reason i couldnt find her when i go to add her, i made sure she wasn't studying or doing commission or anything like that.

[jaunty vault]

sp5 have oilcap

[whole crypt]

I like Musashi/Soyuz/NJ because you have some staggers there

[novel condor]

wait wat they do?

[cobalt rapids]

are u adding her in the right mode? if shes in main fleet mode u wont find her on vang and vice versa

[grizzled lion]

@jaunty vault oil cap?

[flint scroll]

yah shes on the right mode

[jaunty vault]

/oilcap

[odd root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901103255935942706/969285900607553606/unknown.png

[novel condor]

Ive been running 1:1 ftleets till now

[whole crypt]

SP5 costs me like 3.5 times the oil for points

[cobalt rapids]

idk then , try relogging

[novel condor]

time to do some pr grinding ig

[jaunty vault]

are you asking about oilcap or crossfleet

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids they have adjustable modes as well?

[novel condor]

forgot Sp5 got oil cap

[cobalt rapids]

ddg can switch between main fleet and vanguard mode on retro yes, check /ddg for more info

[novel condor]

been running 1:1 fleet like an idiot

[whole crypt]

I'll probably go back to SP5 after the oath unlocks for Shinano-chan

it did take me a bit of effort to get lv1 Hermes working reliably for SP3

[jaunty vault]

lil shinano oather?

[whole crypt]

just reached 100 affinity so back to Hermes until NPC goes away

[jaunty vault]

do i need to kill all the humanoids for muSP

[whole crypt]

no

off the top of my head it unlocks at 7 nodes killed

[jaunty vault]

😌

[grizzled lion]

So after reading most of this. I have probably severely screwed my fleets 🤣

[jaunty vault]

could be worse

[grizzled lion]

Doubt it🤣

[cobalt rapids]

if ure new dw about 1:1s

[grizzled lion]

I do this whole. No attention just pick and level. Trade lower tiers for higher tiers regardless of mats or not 🤣

[cobalt rapids]

trade

oh u mean swap

[grizzled lion]

Yup

[cobalt rapids]

yea dont get shiny baited

[grizzled lion]

🤣

That's my worst trait when it comes to gacha games

[cobalt rapids]

how new are u ? were u alr recced the starter fleet + sams /guide?

[grizzled lion]

Be on for about 2 weeks. Maybe 3

[elfin hollow]

how does muse eugen fare against the likes of heinrich and carl in terms of damage

[atomic abyss]

ehhhh

[cobalt rapids]

prob somewhere between hein and carl

[atomic abyss]

carl should be better for dmg with that skill iirc

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids I'm all over the place with it 🤣

[elfin hollow]

also which noshiro is better, normal or muse

[sweet delta]

no sign of the starter fleet

[atomic abyss]

i'd say normal

[elfin hollow]

more tanky and useful in general?

[sweet delta]

neither is useful in general

[atomic abyss]

muse has a niche use she excels in
regular shd just be more versatile

tho again, if you have JinM, why use either?

[cobalt rapids]

well grab unicorn and helena for starters from guild shop
as for gold mlbs focus on carl next
and check ur medal rotation and see if u have bb or cv

[elfin hollow]

waifu reasons

[woven tendon]

is it worth farming this event?

[elfin hollow]

for me it is, more eugen copies are always welcome to my dock

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids working on those 2. Just not getting much guild points. And with the medals. Just retire blues besides Portland right?

[atomic abyss]

well the og gives fleet tech soooooooooooooo

[cobalt rapids]

retire dupes u dont need for mlb anymore

[atomic abyss]

yes it's AA
but better something than none so

[elfin hollow]

i don't care about the fleet tech, i'm just curous which is better overall

[atomic abyss]

it's always worth to farm any event

[elfin hollow]

i mean, both satisfy the task of farming 12-4 quite well

[sweet delta]

neither is good in overall hard content, muse is better for manualing torps

[atomic abyss]

i mean, 12-4 can be farmed by almost anything at this point

...yes even repair ships, which actually excel there

pre-ACV mechanics and nerfing of w12, they were the only way you could bring a BB fleet in there

[whole crypt]

I mean they won't die to planes, but you'll still need other ships that can kill shit in the stage

pre-ACV you could bring a BB fleet manual

[woven tendon]

should i wait to buy a prinz copy just before the event ends?

[atomic abyss]

if you really want her, ye

[cobalt rapids]

wait till u decide u wont farm event aymore

[whole crypt]

if you're farming SP5 hold on to the points for now I guess

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids I actually do have unicorn and Helena already. So I should start building them? Who do I swap them in for?

[worldly lion]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[cobalt rapids]

can u mlb carl ?

[grizzled lion]

@cobalt rapids I don't think I have carl

[grizzled lion]

Ah. I think I ha e the mats. Let me check.

[worldly pewter]

i think u should be having enough to mlb at least 1 SR at the start of the game

[grizzled lion]

I need to get 1 more bullin.

[worldly pewter]

oh u mlbed warspite

[whole crypt]

usual shiny bait for new players who don't look for proper guides

[cobalt rapids]

ig u can do warspite volga unicorn - portland helena jav
but dont retro warspite shes just placeholder till u get smth better
replace port with carl if u can mlb her

[whole crypt]

is Liverpool higher eHP than Devonshire

[grizzled lion]

@@cobalt rapids uummm 🤦‍♂️. About that. I started her retrofit 😅

[whole crypt]

just don't continue retrofitting her

[grizzled lion]

She might be almost done....

[whole crypt]

you're not going to get much out of finishing it

[cobalt rapids]

as long as u didnt buy her retro item with spec core

[atomic abyss]

you can't even fully retro her without ^

[whole crypt]

save the resources for whatever you haven't finished

[grizzled lion]

Ah. OK.

[viscid edge]

Can someone help me please? I dont know which gun is agir gun

[whole crypt]

none of them are, look for the one with an IV on it that looks like this one

[soft raft]

It's this from the IV selection

[whole crypt]

but you're honestly better off just reseraching PR4

I doubt you have enough Agir prints yet anyway, her gun can wait

[viscid edge]

Thanks guy!

[whole crypt]

also doesn't look like you have enough cores to buy enough for a copy, might as well save that

[worldly pewter]

also better to get a weapon and not half a weapon

[grizzled lion]

Easiest was to level and get coins?

[atomic abyss]

....play the game

[worldly pewter]

w12

[whole crypt]

play until you reach ch12

[atomic abyss]

for a new player, the highest map

[whole crypt]

leveling and coin pace is pretty awful before you reach ch9 at least

[worldly pewter]

i feel like this event is on the worse side than the other SR past ones
or is it just me ?

[whole crypt]

if you mean the ships they're kind of meh just like previous muses

[worldly pewter]

and event currency ?

[whole crypt]

pretty much the same as last SP event

[worldly pewter]

can u tell me which was the last SP event ?

[atomic abyss]

virtual tower rerun

[nocturne scaffold]

Someone ping me here?

[atomic abyss]

there is another etoile here so...

possible mistaken ping

[nocturne scaffold]

Ah

[sweet delta]

[whole crypt]

I blame stigma for being schitzophrenic with name change

[worldly pewter]

they forgot to put the e accent aigue

[nocturne scaffold]

Understandable

[sweet delta]

have a nice day Etoile

[nocturne scaffold]

Ditto

[jaunty vault]

two etoiles

[wet sigil]

anyone got some tips for this month's extreme challenge?

[jaunty vault]

you got soyuz and a mk7?

[wet sigil]

yup

[jaunty vault]

use that on her with total RLD stat of 199

with good vanguard and ideally good CVs cause you dont wanna mess her timings

[wet sigil]

i'm guessing we want guns that fire fast on vanguard to break that dumb shield?

[jaunty vault]

i used seattle guns but apparently plyguns work

[cobalt rapids]

guns that output alot of shells not necesarily only fast

[wet sigil]

lemme see what i can do

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message mby u can do these

[elfin hollow]

Sister team! Any thoughts? (Lv.20, go easy )

[viscid swift]

it's bad

[cobalt rapids]

thoughts empty
needs a almost complete makeover

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips give that a read

[sweet delta]

at least the fleet has portland

[cyan ravine]

Dumb question.....if you only have the Muse version of a ship....can you use skins for the regular version if you max out affinity?

*I can't remember if you needed to have both versions at max affinity to use the alt skins on the Muse version

[soft raft]

iirc only the muse version has to be 100 affinity

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki skin sharing

[cyan ravine]

Thanks! That's what I thought....I just wasn't sure

[wet sigil]

okay this right here was golden, broke this dumbass challenge wide open

ty for the help @cobalt rapids @jaunty vault

[sweet delta]

can warspite not equip 2 asw planes?

[elfin hollow]

Glue it onto her

[cobalt rapids]

only her left slot

[ivory crown]

who should i retrofit next/what should i grind in hard mode

i have helena/unicorn/javelin/portland retro fitted

[soft raft]

Saratoga and Nelson

[cobalt rapids]

nelson kai if u need bbs or sara

[jaunty vault]

what retrofits are you done with

oh nvm

[cloud fractal]

New here. No idea what I’m doing tbh. I put a few dollars in to give myself a boost, but how do I quickly get fleets up to snuff for the event quests? Would really like to grind out these tokens for that unit in the shop.

I guess what are the best resources to read up and figure out synergy, leveling, and such.

[worldly pewter]

why did u reply to that comment

[soft raft]

Here's a basic beginner guide, and there's other guides on this site as well
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

If you have anything more specific or want further elaboration on anything in the guide, you can ask here

[cloud fractal]

Honestly, it was likely a fat finger. Wasn’t supposed to reply to anything.

[worldly pewter]

yeah it happens discord is kinda weird

[cloud fractal]

Nice, this is what I assume I’ve been looking for. I have some stuff unit wise, but right now I’m not doubt floating on sheer stats of the units I dolphin’d rather than anything relevant.

*no doubt

[worldly pewter]

if u have played epic 7 or arknight
the start is somewhat similar
u can't go wrong with low rarity comps

[cloud fractal]

Never played those. I liked pain, so I come from FGO, Honkai, HSR, and GI.