#gameplay-help
civic hollow
keen sable
gear is more important than ships
crisp estuary
elfin hollow
Which is better azuma or prinz heinrich
rapid grail
good day chat, what's the armor type of this month arbiter?
inland shoal
light (+med)
rapid grail
thank you thorin
tropic tusk
can u unlock odin with this?
whole crypt
yes, but I wouldn't say it's worth the money 
tropic tusk
cheshire?
elfin hollow
What is “ ⬅️ 🌈 “
whole crypt
stark quiver
You could easily grind for her and get the bps, 15 dollars can go into stuff that would improve gameplay like dock space
whole crypt
What is “ ⬅️ 🌈 “
ship on the left, rainbow better
stark quiver
What is “ ⬅️ 🌈 “
Azuma better cuz UR ship
tropic tusk
champagne?
stark quiver
You didn’t like buy it yet right?
tropic tusk
no
eager mulch
Not worth the money
stark quiver
I’d advise against it
keen sable
champagne?
#bot-spam /tierlist
whole crypt
the answer is going to be the same regardless of which PR ship you ask
tropic tusk
oh ok
stark quiver
You could easily grind for her and get the bps, 15 dollars can go into stuff tha...
^
tropic tusk
oh well
stark quiver
Same with basically any PR ship
arctic aspen
gear is more important than ships
that was not my question but alright
keen sable
that was not my question but alright
no that is not the fleet
viscid swift
No, Agir is doing nothing useful part among other things
arctic aspen
can someone tell me then
viscid swift
Well there is no consistent one shot fleet
keen sable
No, Agir is doing nothing useful part among other things
i cope on agir slow but i'm also incredibly lazy on alt so maybe there's something better
viscid swift
Well that's even if you can sync it in the first place
keen sable
can someone tell me then
nagato, shinano, hakuryuu, kirov meta, helena, unzen and 📌
viscid swift
Besides all you really need it for is the slower CV's first strikes
If set up properly all other airstrikes should be hitting when Rodney is stationary
Unzen to the off tank Position, Kirov main tanks
tropic tusk
what is it that you really want to do? have $16 and want best p2w?
naa just want to own all ship
im to the point where my gear is very under level
lvl 107 still onyl 4 rainbow gear
rapid grail
can someone tell me then
shinano - implac - hakuryuu -- helena tank - kaza - unzen
consistent 75pt fleet
viscid swift
naa just want to own all ship
still wouldn't reccomend it, 100% collection will take at least 2 years so there's no rush to unlock one PR sooner
eager mulch
money better spent on dock space then
tropic tusk
still wouldn't reccomend it, 100% collection will take at least 2 years so there...
yea that true also
keen sable
im to the point where my gear is very under level
you CAN p2w rainbow gear but all out grinding is the normal way.
inland shoal
2 years 100% sounds incredibly lucky too
tropic tusk
money better spent on dock space then
just did that last week set for another fwe months
near tangle
So I just barely managed to get through world 14, how do world 15 threats differ from 14? What should I prepare with 
viscid swift
I'll get on that 100% guide after finals are done
eager mulch
So I just barely managed to get through world 14, how do world 15 threats differ...
planes and subs
viscid swift
So I just barely managed to get through world 14, how do world 15 threats differ...
imagine if W13-H and W14 had a child, that's W15
inland shoal
Main difference is a shit ton of planes
eager mulch
/w15
odd rootBOT
tropic tusk
you CAN p2w rainbow gear but all out grinding is the normal way.
wait u can buy rainbow gear with real money?
wt is it
wait or u mean use money to buy oil for OS
keen sable
wait u can buy rainbow gear with real money?
buy the 343 bp for a D30 ship and convert all the bp to protocore
costs like $10 or something?
tropic tusk
oh
eager mulch
why did i think you mean buy cubes, do cube research, convert surplus bps, protocore
stark quiver
Ngl, play the game enough and you’ll have everything
eager mulch
no gf
inland shoal
Though that still counts towards the limit so pretty useless. Though you can buy gold research gear with that one pack
tropic tusk
temping
eager mulch
i love helena
rapid grail
btw datamines do get posted and then pinned here right
near tangle
Main difference is a shit ton of planes
Do you think world 15 even possible with just sakura ships 
Thankfully we have shimanto now, and I'm going to give Maya's new augment a try there
inland shoal
Yes, still gonna take some hours though
soft raft
btw datamines do get posted and then pinned here right
yes
And we are like 4 hours away from CN datamine
rapid grail
okay thanks a lot
undone plover
temping
it is really not worth. and i say it as someone who got it. if u want the protocore. keep Azuma and Drake Catchup and use them for protocore. they will give u 6k which is much more than this
viscid swift
Do you think world 15 even possible with just sakura ships <:kdaprestigeahri_lau...
yes, how much effort do you want to put in to make it work well that's up to you
inland shoal
Do you think world 15 even possible with just sakura ships <:kdaprestigeahri_lau...
Possible sure, ppl have done it with factions fleets, gonna be annoying/hard tho
stark quiver
thats some suchiguma type stuff
tropic tusk
it is really not worth. and i say it as someone who got it. if u want the protoc...
yea ik i got 1 and 2 
inland shoal
Nah that's some ... what was the resident kms + CA simp name here again?
eager mulch
Esdeath?
inland shoal
Yeee
arctic aspen
nagato, shinano, hakuryuu, kirov meta, helena, unzen and 📌
didnt know kirov meta was usable
near tangle
yes, how much effort do you want to put in to make it work well that's up to you
"yes"
I mean my 14-4 autoclear fleet took like 20 tries to figure out what could work, apparently just tanking, healing and killing subs was the answer
tropic tusk
"yes"
I mean my 14-4 autoclear fleet took like 20 tries to figure out what cou...
whos the vanguard 3rd one?
viscid swift
well W15 is the same, just now add in 3 times the number of planes you'll face in W13-H on top of all of that
stark quiver
i see a very ungodly w15 run
rapid grail
whos the vanguard 3rd one?
kitakaze, yuudachi, yukikaze
near tangle
whos the vanguard 3rd one?
Yukikaze completely unkillable idiot
eager mulch
bro i killed her this month wym
tropic tusk
oh is that like the married skin
eager mulch
that fleet is dead on arrival in w15 though no cap
tropic tusk
oh ok thx
near tangle
Yeah this fleet cant hold up to planes at all god i hope the ramming boats arent as vicious tho
eager mulch
There aren’t rammers
tropic tusk
cant wait for tmr update u guys think independence u will be better then the normal one?
eager mulch
There is no independence muse
stark quiver
instead of rammers, there are plane that will send your backlines into oblivion
keen sable
cant wait for tmr update u guys think independence u will be better then the nor...
who?
tropic tusk
oh wait thats formidable u 
i read wrong
eager mulch
my diagnosis is that formi muse isn’t a rainbow ship
therefore, i sleep
wake me up when muse ships start giving cv rld tech
tropic tusk
eager mulch
you’re not Taz
elfin hollow
Is cherisine better than prinz heinrich in opsi?
rapid grail
wait today is maintenance right
south sequoia
Is cherisine better than prinz heinrich in opsi?
Different roles
tropic tusk
yea later in like 6-7h
rapid grail
Is cherisine better than prinz heinrich in opsi?
planes aren't a concern in opsi lul
viscid swift
wake me up when muse ships start giving cv rld tech
Finish up your current reload tech smh
elfin hollow
planes aren't a concern in opsi lul
In terms of fire power though and damage
eager mulch
Finish up your current reload tech smh
gotta grind 15-3 for that one cv
frank pulsar
In terms of fire power though and damage
heinrich should still be better if theres another iron blood ship, idk about without
rapid grail
In terms of fire power though and damage
heinrich.
stark quiver
gotta grind 15-3 for that one cv
7-4
eager mulch
7-4 is for cowards
elfin hollow
(Dont mind the levels) is this fleet good?
elfin hollow
Here the second
elfin hollow
If everyone’s mlb/dev30 ofc
Azuma and agir are like 5 dev away but close (they take longer since pr ship)
eager mulch
then not ok
whole crypt
somehow 7 q152s isn't enough for daily use 
inland shoal
silver lintel
Its fine, i clear w14 with d25 brest
eager mulch
i cleared W14 with a dev0 brest
elfin hollow
~~ I cleared W14 ~~
eager mulch
i even cleared W15 with a dev0 brest (i was brain damaged and did PR6 before PR5)
inland shoal
With her in your fleet?
eager mulch
unbuilt
atomic abyss
I'm assuming you didn't even use said Brest
eager mulch
i was Guam and laffii pilled
atomic abyss
With that said
Which CBs does she outclass anyways
eager mulch
Kala ideas
inland shoal
Her heal is pretty neat
eager mulch
put her and musashi in my opsi mob and it very consistently and handily solos strongholds
whole crypt
I'm pretty sure the only active service my Brest saw was the affinity grind
atomic abyss
The real flex would be using Brest to grind Sanrui...
But can sanrui take French exp even lol
whole crypt
no
atomic abyss
You'd think that's one of the things they'd fix
eager mulch
I’m leveling my sanrui at dev12 for the ca eva because i cba to go back for her
atomic abyss
Oh? She gives CA Eva at 120?
inland shoal
Go back? You just need to coin?
stark quiver
plain saffron
elfin hollow
Who is the Ur this time?
viscid swift
we know nothing about any new events past the one dropping in a little over 12 hours
atomic abyss
If I knew, so would everyone else lol
desert yarrow
hello, any option for replacing Fairey Spearfish (Prototype) ?
stark quiver
Who is the Ur this time?
nobody knows until a week or so before it
plain saffron
but you're a mod of course you would know
atomic abyss
The community expects the next UR to drop sometime in May, at or after CN anniversary
stark quiver
hello, any option for replacing Fairey Spearfish (Prototype) ?
the UR plane? the wyvern is a fine replacement for it
atomic abyss
Isn't the wyvern flat out better 
stark quiver
better and cheaper
viscid swift
let's not go there...
eager mulch
spearfish is the best rocket torpedo bomber 
desert yarrow
the UR plane? the wyvern is a fine replacement for it
Thank you
atomic abyss
Rocket TB 
plain saffron
something2 it's better in certain situation
atomic abyss
What, against light?
viscid swift
it's better when the targeting isn't screwed over by concealment and it's not predominantly heavy armor targets, and I guess when not having intercepting TBs isn't a noticeable downgrade
stark quiver
what does the crash damage mean on my planes? Do they just kamikaze the enemy?
atomic abyss
Yes
stark quiver
beautiful
inland shoal
Nothing outside pvp
atomic abyss
It's a PvP thing basically
eager mulch
spearfish has weaker torps but stronger rockets than wyvern. I personally like it more
plain saffron
infinitely stronger also
atomic abyss
.... strongholds are supposed to be easier than abyssals right
And definitely easier than even normal arbiters?
eager mulch
depends on your fleets and gear
my ryuusei fleet dumpsters any single target boss but my mob fleet was relatively weak until recently so I couldn’t solo strongholds consistently
thorny surge
Well for the first time for me harbiter might go down..
elfin hollow
What is the middle of the opsi is? (The red orb thing?)
stark quiver
look one message above and youll see what is it
eager mulch
Arbiter, a boss
elfin hollow
Looks like this month wont be the month i face her. What are the fastest way to put a ship to level 120
eager mulch
xp books can do it instantly
warm flax
Does harbiter drop UR design plans
atomic abyss
Yes she can
warm flax
Chance or guranteed
opaque yacht
what is this new event gonna be tmr
viscid swift
arbiter doesn't drop any UR design plans
viscid swift
what is this new event gonna be tmr
icy mountain
who should i equip this to in the meantime?
eager mulch
a battleship
icy mountain
okay, hood it is then
thorny surge
Worked... 
eager mulch
this is gameplay help not trophy room
thorny surge
No I've got a question
viscid swift
which is?
thorny surge
why's there still a hole
viscid swift
because that's how he devs designed it
violet vigil
Is there any ship worth getting in the merit shop? Or ist it just bulins?
thorny surge
because that's how he devs designed it
Really? I thought everything becomes blue I mean like no red atmosphere/ fogs around after beating harbiter
vale spindle
Is there any ship worth getting in the merit shop? Or ist it just bulins?
Basically just bulins unless you want u37 for submarines
cobalt kettle
whats the expected number of runs to complete fox mines 
eager mulch
yes
sweet delta
200
plain saffron
1 - infinity
arctic aspen
can I improve this mobbing team?
sweet delta
1 - infinity
They said "expected" 
sweet delta
can I improve this mobbing team?
It could be better if you have the ships
plain saffron
that's what i expect
arctic aspen
It could be better if you have the ships
I have all the non collab ships except jintsuu meta
sweet delta
Where is it mobbing
arctic aspen
opsi, if thats not your question, i have no idea what you mean
sweet delta
Opsi mobbing is quite flexible depending on your goals
arctic aspen
My goal is to one shot all strongholds 
sweet delta
For example, if you wanted the best possible mob fleet, that would take away the best ships from your boss fleets
arctic aspen
without full investment in points
arctic aspen
For example, if you wanted the best possible mob fleet, that would take away the...
Yeah, I think that'd be ok, I just want to make the mob fleet so good that it even wins against bosses 
sweet delta
Though that current fleet should already handle strongholds at equal or maybe even zero adapt
arctic aspen
I can show all my other fleets
arctic aspen
Though that current fleet should already handle strongholds at equal or maybe ev...
yeah when the adapt is higher I can, I wanna try to clear it all with lower adapts though, without dying at the last boss with like 7% of its HP remaining.
iron umbra
guys is there a dummy doc or link i can use to learn about gears/ships of the game? just got back after year or 2 of hiatus and to say i feel lost is an understatement
sweet delta
/equip the picture guide for gear
odd rootBOT
soft raft
do we know when jintsuu meta will come back <:haru_stare:1102576411086176256>
like at most a year idk
arctic aspen
FUCK
iron umbra
/equip the picture guide for gear
thank you!
arctic aspen
this is what I get for being burnt out thinking metas will never be good ig
last time I thought a meta was meta was helena meta, who isnt meta anymore
plain saffron
meta are like event ships, some bad some good
idk why you think meta will never be good
frank pulsar
prob cuz most are disappointing
plain saffron
i guess standard SR ship is disappointing now
plain saffron
that's on you for expecting a purple event ship to be good
sweet delta
I guess this channel should be merged to #al-general
arctic aspen
doesnt change the fact that most of the sr are disappointing too 
Anyway, do you want the rest of my fleets etoile
plain saffron
doesnt change the fact that most of the sr are disappointing too <:KappaMhm:6931...
just like SR event ships
frank pulsar
just like SR event ships
its disappointing because of the amount of effort it takes compared to just using bulin for similar performance, at least for me
arctic aspen
so can someone help me make a better fleet for mob
viscid swift
speaking of which, it's the 6 new ships, Shinano Chan, and 3 new auxes for this datamine yeah?
soft raft
should be yeah
arctic aspen
alright thanks cya
-sorry wrong chat
sweet delta
so can someone help me make a better fleet for mob
The best fleet would be like pick two from (Musashi Bisz Soyuz), and then add unicorn agir ply hinden
Best meaning strongest against stronghold
echo axle
I don't know who to prioritize right now 
please help
sweet delta
Nobody because you don't have gold bulins
south sequoia
The only notable ships I can see they could probably level are riche volga and ognevoy
And probably patricia
sweet delta
Maybe start on Volga and prioritize expanding dock space
south sequoia
And probably patricia
Assuming with aug
echo axle
Nobody because you don't have gold bulins
I do
Volga it is then? But does she only run well on Northern Parliament team?
Or like is the team comp random for her as well
south sequoia
Volga it is then? But does she only run well on Northern Parliament team?
Nope
echo axle
I want to run a Opsi fleet but right now, my fleets are taking heavy dmg
south sequoia
If volga was heavy reliant on a faction to work we wouldn't be recommending her
echo axle
Mhmm
iron umbra
guys is the general rule auto the highest campaign you can for coins?
atomic abyss
guys is the general rule auto the highest campaign you can for coins?
Up to a certain extent, yes
Though there's an argument to be made that if you're gonna farm for one thing, you should probably try to farm for other things as well
Like exp
eager mulch
farming 15-4 for coins 
stark quiver
guys is the general rule auto the highest campaign you can for coins?
highest and safest campaign
iron umbra
thanks, i need to push some campaign, im at 12-4 hahahahaha
stark quiver
most people do 12-4 for farming coins/xp
eternal moth
I've been running 12-4 all day
stark quiver
how many total event ships will there be, how much in gacha/shop/milestone?
viscid swift
6, 7 if you count little shinano
atomic abyss
It is a crime if little Shinano isn't called Nano Shinano
desert yarrow
not even close yukikaze and your healing minions
frank pulsar
I want to run a Opsi fleet but right now, my fleets are taking heavy dmg
if you dont already have her get yourself a unicorn from guild shop and retrofit her, shes the best healer in the game
plain saffron
speaking of which, it's the 6 new ships, Shinano Chan, and 3 new auxes for this ...
CM
stark quiver
It is a crime if little Shinano isn't called Nano Shinano
5 in gacha, 1 in shop and one in milestone? well accountingh for the fact that shop ship can also be built
viscid swift
5 in gacha, 1 in shop and one in milestone? well accountingh for the fact that s...
4 gacha, 1 milestone, 1 shop, and Little Shinano
stark quiver
ah, thanks
desert yarrow
<#479676955411873802>
mb, sowie
frank pulsar
can tai yuan beat unzen on light if unzen has no +13 main gun
eager mulch
maybe
echo axle
if you dont already have her get yourself a unicorn from guild shop and retrofit...
I already have her
frank pulsar
then how are sustaining heavy damage 
do you have enough adaptability and levels?
echo axle
I just retrofited Unicorn yesterday 💀
And I haven't even built her yet so she's just there
eager mulch
easily one of the best ships in the game
sweet delta
can tai yuan beat unzen on light if unzen has +13 main gun
south sequoia
I'd imagine unzen would probably win
sweet delta
Is yukikaze fair to test on
south sequoia
Is yukikaze fair to test on
Think so, not like we have anything else to test on other than helmet
echo axle
Can someone recommend me a fleet comp with Unicorn and Volga or should they be the just slapped on a fleet with New Jersey or some UR Battleship
sweet delta
@frank pulsar full +13
south sequoia
they're pretty close
sweet delta
#gameplay-help message offensive aux
soup did see it
Unzen was oathed unlike Taiyuan, so Taiyuan should do a little more
echo axle
Can someone recommend me a fleet comp with Unicorn and Volga or should they be t...
So it's just random slaps?
steady beacon
<:Noteshiro:911039555904368650> Unzen was oathed unlike Taiyuan, so Taiyuan shou...
What torp on Unzen
frank pulsar
<@794137928334180352> full +13
ouh ty
frank pulsar
<:Noteshiro:911039555904368650> Unzen was oathed unlike Taiyuan, so Taiyuan shou...
i didnt see the tai yuan and unzen comparison
is white shell or black shell better against ykk
sweet delta
Recall that ykk has 100 Eva and 100 lck
frank pulsar
wait can unzen deplete ykk shield as fast as tai yuan? cuz i hit shield a lot
steady beacon
Consider the differing rates of fire
frank pulsar
ill just try both and see which clears faster
sweet delta
Chapayev 
frank pulsar
mines still collecting dust
steady beacon
Consider dusting her off, then
sharp token
I need gold, where should i farm?
soft raft
12-4
sharp token
can't do a w12, any other?
sweet delta
Divergent chessboard D4
forest palm
that feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel 
soft raft
can't do a w12, any other?
Any W9 or above map
Cuz oil cap
frank pulsar
albacore is the fastest tb right?
sweet delta
/wiki list of torpedo bombers
sweet delta
Yes, faster than breguet by 0.2%
frank pulsar
so its the fastest then
silver lintel
Both
silver lintel
Indep then
steady beacon
On the one hand, Uni has preload; on the other Indy has 4 TB
I'm kinda inclined on Uni tbh, assuming this is OpSi mobbing...
atomic abyss
It is
Indep is mobbing with her too
I'm more curious if wyvern dps increase is that high that it's worth the drop from the gold avenger (with the buffed efficiencies)
...yes I have the gold avengers for Indep sue me
steady beacon
Most mobs die before Indy launches in my own mob fleet would be my argument for Uni
And anything that lives to Indy's launch typically lives long enough to see Uni's second, so 6 Wyverns launched vs 4 is my (arguably flimsy) argument
viscid swift
Wyven and Spearfish are better than all other parallel TBs on Indepednence still
atomic abyss
I know that much...
3-4 done
steady beacon
I'm more curious if wyvern dps increase is that high that it's worth the drop fr...
I have two Skypirates, so I won't judge
Since Indy at least has buffed effs from USS plane, I would take that as doubly supporting Wyvern on Uni but uh... you can argue the other way plausibly
atomic abyss
is 6-4 also 200 runs or is it way less
Depends on your luck
atomic abyss
I have two Skypirates, so I won't judge <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
Since In...
Where's the dps calcs 
steady beacon
Oh no, DPS still loses as far as I know
viscid swift
Simple, just get 2 wyverns
steady beacon
But this is what you must endure when you're short on eqs
cobalt kettle
just get 5 of everything
atomic abyss
I literally just crafted my first wyvern cheeky 
frank pulsar
theres avenger tb?
silver lintel
Just use cvs with no tb
cobalt kettle
did they make it so its easier to make wyverns or is it still same 3 months for pity one
atomic abyss
You do realise the best purple rarity PARALLEL TB is also an avenger so
frank pulsar
i didnt know there was a yellow version
steady beacon
Wait, wait, are you talking about the purple Avenger
stark quiver
I literally just crafted my first wyvern cheeky <:KISAAAAAAAAAA:1113921142449786...
did u use the mission stuff for UR prints in exchange shop?
atomic abyss
No no, I'm not using the purple one
steady beacon
OK, thank God lol
steady beacon
i didnt know there was a yellow version
VT18
atomic abyss
Well I'll throw it on uni for now anyways
stark quiver
yea and u used all of them?
stark quiver
well wait like 2 months if good rng and yea i meant the files
atomic abyss
If so no I'm still doing them
I just got one copy from doing them
vale spindle
You do realise the best purple rarity PARALLEL TB is also an avenger so
parallel purple rarity tb < purple tenzan 
atomic abyss
You're talking to the person who praised converging in a barracuda meta
stark quiver
If so no I'm still doing them
I just got one copy from doing them
excellent, well you can get 2nd wyvern in may
eager mulch
ryuuseis 
vale spindle
~~theres avenger tb?~~
yes its the vt-18 avenger from microlayer i believe 
atomic abyss
Bloody hell
My uni is still using Hellcats wtf
viscid swift
there's also the purple TBM Avenger
eager mulch
be me and craft a skypirate due to brain damage
steady beacon
Actually, if yours is from Microlayer Ender that's already better than the materials I spent on Skypirate lol
Forgot it was once an event eq
viscid swift
be me and craft 4 for reasons....
eager mulch
the reason is it looks cooler than wyvern
cobalt kettle
for research, do u just do highest (aka 6) for weapons?
viscid swift
I was short on mats for Wyverns at the time and trying to rush W14, don't judge me
viscid swift
farm for whatever UR gear dupes you want basically
eager mulch
Once you complete all the ships it’s just whichever rainbow weapon you want the most
atomic abyss
Actually, if yours is from Microlayer Ender that's already better than the mater...
165% efficiency is nice
eager mulch
4 x 165% at that
atomic abyss
Maybe I shd craft a flapjack for uni
vale spindle
craft one
eager mulch
W15 prep, good idea
atomic abyss
Unfortunately I alr have 1 tiger cat from the days of yore so it'll have to do too
steady beacon
Ye, it's not like you're going to regret down the line so might as well
steady beacon
Unfortunately I alr have 1 tiger cat from the days of yore so it'll have to do t...
I'm still operating on Sea Hornets
atomic abyss
A relic of the fox mines
sweet delta
stark quiver
with decent luck, how long could i get kear from dev 14 to 30
atomic abyss
Depends on if you use cubes I guess
stark quiver
its been a work in progress for a while
atomic abyss
If you use cubes should be within 3-4 months
steady beacon
with decent luck, how long could i get kear from dev 14 to 30
If you cube, 2-1/2 months
atomic abyss
Maybe even less if you're really liberal
frank pulsar
I mean there aren't any other planes to craft right?
tigercat, flapjack, one or two sea hornet, junker, wyvern
thats about it
steady beacon
Actually, if already Dev 14, probably like 2
atomic abyss
What's the purpose of sea hornets
I'm assuming they're related to the seafangs?
viscid swift
Sea Hornets, Flapjacks, and Tigercats are all 2 x 1000 Ibs fighters
slightly different reloads and different AA capabilities
frank pulsar
What's the purpose of sea hornets
I'm assuming they're related to the seafangs?
timing only
atomic abyss
So in other words, side grades
And flapjacks shine for AA?
steady beacon
What's the purpose of sea hornets
I'm assuming they're related to the seafangs?
2x 1000lb fighter but worse AA DPS than Tigercat < Pancake because of its stupidly fast flight speed
viscid swift
So in other words, side grades
And flapjacks shine for AA?
pretty much
stark quiver
Actually, if already Dev 14, probably like 2
nice
steady beacon
Advantage is that it is 0.4s faster than Pancake, 0.2s faster than Tigercat, and because I'm addicted to speed, well...
atomic abyss
Also is it just me or are pancakes much cheaper
viscid swift
they are
atomic abyss
steady beacon
Oh God, don't craft Hornets in the Gear Lab lol
atomic abyss
Well it's time to replace my vf-17s then
cobalt kettle
how do people farm fleet power
frank pulsar
Oh God, don't craft Hornets in the Gear Lab lol
i did mention just make one or two...
cobalt kettle
having multiple copies of the same ship?
frank pulsar
how do people farm fleet power
raise ships and fully equip with +10 gear
frank pulsar
having multiple copies of the same ship?
i believe so yes, they need to be geared as well
frank pulsar
no idea, fleet power farming is something only old vets do
cobalt kettle
steady beacon
i did mention just make one or two...
Ehhhh, if you're going to craft 2x 1000lb fighters in the Gear Lab at all, it's more resource efficient to do Pancake or Tigercat, no? Until you reach the point where resources are irrelevant
I just happen to have a lot of Sea Hornets from farming some RN event
frank pulsar
its just for timing, hence just one or two
frank pulsar
i only have one from a year ago and its enough
its definitely not a priority
steady beacon
Ah, it was Vanguard was it
Thought it was AN but upon checking it was in the event shop, not a drop
atomic abyss
What were hidden zones good for again
steady beacon
Resources
Crafting materials and gold plates, above all
Plus most have a couple of cat nodes you can fish at for even more stuff
atomic abyss
forest palm
could use it to funnel meta xp if you want due to the nature of spawns
steady beacon
Ah yes, the endless META experience farm as well
Although these days I just use the books
forest palm
books may exist, but they're not always in supply, and the sources demand certain resources that you'd rather not spend on said books 
vale spindle
What were hidden zones good for again
all relevant materials you want from opsi
eternal moth
Datamine doko?
vale spindle
whenever i feel like it
steady beacon
books may exist, but they're not always in supply, and the sources demand certai...
True enough, but I have no other uses for crystal fragments and always get plenty of purple tokens from OpSi to clear the books as well
And, in any case, I train one META ship every blue moon anyway... anyone I'm not using can just gain passive skill experience from whatever the other sources are
So it's really just for something like JintM where I needed to get her ready ASAP
forest palm
can't say I relate, I typically have my Meta all done, and in relatively fast pace, to the point I currently have no meta to work on
That all said I used to grind Hidden Zones just to make sure I hit the 30k per day limit, so there certainly is value in that method, even if you can make up about 20k per daily work
maiden wagon
Roon is at Dev.Level 9 and max exp but won't go to 10, is there a reason why? o.o
viscid swift
You need to get her actual level to 10
maiden wagon
o
viscid swift
Same as limit breaks for regular ships
maiden wagon
got it
stark quiver
do muse ships count towards collection
atomic abyss
Yes
verbal thistle
How important is Harbin's Fate Sim to her being strong?
frank pulsar
she doesnt need it, but just get it anyway
youll collect enough for fs5 by the time you dev30 both dr anyway
steady beacon
I want to say less than the other two PR5s, but I've never seen a concrete calculation of this fact tbh
verbal thistle
she doesnt need it, but just get it anyway
So I shouldn't use general BPs for it? Just accumulate them as time goes on?
frank pulsar
general bps just use on the highest season you can, and on the ship you need the fastest
otherwise doesnt matter cuz youre gonna max out each season regardless
forest palm
don't think anyone in PR5 got a Fate Sim that made a sizable difference in their respective performance 
verbal thistle
sweet delta
predl up
forest palm
that said it's good to Fate Sim a ship regardless otherwise you just get bombarded by them in the future when DRs get a Fate Sim
steady beacon
... We did get research catchup for PR/DR5 right...
viscid swift
yes
steady beacon
OK, ty
I'm not going mad then
eternal moth
We're all mad here
sweet delta
μSP drops eugenμ and quad bofors.
SP5 oil cap 20/30/15, drops eugenμ and quad bofors.
All maps drop gear skins.
3 auxes
35 AA, 30 HIT aux changes music.
550 HP aux gives the ship a 2% hp barrier for 15s.
550 HP aux gives the ship a 3% FP, TRP, AVI, RLD buff for 15s.
silver lintel
First 15s of battle?
steady beacon
Do the latter two auxes confer muse status on equipping ships
inland shoal
Doesn't look like it
steady beacon
Shame
So I guess that wasted time in UiU might be worth it, after all...
sweet delta
level 125 Takao CM
高雄 Medium 5,230,000 100 0 30 150 0 160 200 210```
Taurus enters the battle in [Steel Knife Stance] status; while in [SKS], Taurus receives -90% FP, TRP, and AVI damage. When [SKS] is interrupted, Taurus regains [SKS] 10 seconds later.
When [SKS] is interrupted, fire a barrage at the closest player ship. Hit players take +6% more damage from enemies, stackable.
You can interrupt [SKS] by dealing 20000 damage (effectively 200000 dmg).
hollow gust
use ur fleets
plain saffron
damn thanks
sleek spade
Is this good or for collection? I dont really like the -300hp
thorny surge
For collection
sleek spade
Ah ok fair
steady beacon
It's used on Akagi and Akagi only
tidal meteor
Lore aux
sleek spade
It's used on Akagi and Akagi only
Steam cata still better after all
uneven cave
The problem isn't the gear
The problem is Akagi being collection 
steady beacon
For everyone else? Yes
blissful hamlet
Still doesn't make akagi good
sleek spade
Akagi aug when…
blissful hamlet
akagi aug still won't save her
sleek spade
U must believe
blissful hamlet
uneven cave
Akagi aug giving preload + teamwide heal when
blissful hamlet
akagi aug probably just remove the kaga requirements and turn it into IJN requirements
eternal moth
Is this good or for collection? I dont really like the -300hp
-300HP when a ship has 7k is not really significant
crimson glacier
And carriers just don't take dmg anyway
sleek spade
-300HP when a ship has 7k is not really significant
Yea but the useful buff is only for the first airstrike which is kinda shit
eternal moth
She gets a straight 12% damage increase for the whole fight
crimson glacier
That aux would probably be used a ton if it wasn't locked to a trash ship
sleek spade
That aux would probably be used a ton if it wasn't locked to a trash ship
Yes that’s the issue
sleek spade
She gets a straight 12% damage increase for the whole fight
O shet I didn’t read carefully enough
eternal moth
I still don't think that's enough to make Akagi good, but it's a pretty good aux
blissful hamlet
good day gph where is datamine
sleek spade
Does it work on u version?
wind hazel
no
sleek spade
That suck balls. U is decent
inland shoal
<:TacoBox:666111444340834306> level 125 Takao CM
```NAME Armor HP EVA...
Might as well add RLD 150 
blissful hamlet
where is it
uneven cave
📣
inland shoal
Datamine is gonna be out soon anyway
sweet delta
blissful hamlet
no datamine :KMShima:
sleek spade
<:ShiSleep:771507346069389313>
Oh shet loli so strong
sweet delta
huh maybe it's wrong sprite
blissful hamlet
9 planes
silver lintel
Damn 9 planes loli
steady beacon
Wow she keeps 9 planes 👀
sleek spade
Strongest loli
blissful hamlet
secret UR
steady beacon
SRs wish
vast whale
👀
frank pulsar
<:ShiSleep:771507346069389313>
the strongest loli?
blissful hamlet
children ship better than 90% CV
crimson glacier
9 planes doesnt make you good
plain saffron
there's 12 songs in rythym game
main menu bgm changed at day and night with new song instrumental version
inland shoal
<:ShiSleep:771507346069389313>
Btw as far as I can see the 3% AA debuff stays forever, but the AA debuff tag should go away if Nano dies 
vale spindle
does anyone have any copy paste cm fleets for this current cm that don't involve a soyuz
sleek spade
But soyuz strong…
vale spindle
mine isn't leveled yet :(
sleek spade
What is CM?
inland shoal
Challenge Mode
crimson glacier
least lazy sam moment
vale spindle
challenge mode
wind hazel
i used this
sleek spade
Ah I see
vale spindle
alright thanks
frank pulsar
does anyone have any copy paste cm fleets for this current cm that don't involve...
i ran uss setup but with skyrocket + tenrai yorkii
this
skyrocket should be in yorkii first slot
sleek spade
I dont have skyrocket. What are they good against. I’ve seen some on guild support but that’s it
slow fox
2% HPBOOST 
frank pulsar
skyrocket is from gearlab and its cheap just make one
tidal meteor
mine isn't leveled yet :(
Ayy same; she's the sponge for the free UR bulins so they don't build up in the dock
sleek spade
skyrocket is from gearlab and its cheap just make one
Oh wait that’s not what I meant I mean Skyraiders
frank pulsar
skyraider is bis db on single target light and med
sleek spade
Isnt skyrocket just for AA
frank pulsar
good enough to make my albion compete with my yorkii
dry zenith
i think they mean skyraider
steady beacon
Damn, that's a big difference...
Skyraider is rocket-armed DB, anti-light and anti-med
Idk why you'd use it against the guild boss though
frank pulsar
skyraider is bis db on single target light and med
i meant skyraider 
sleek spade
Damn, that's a _big_ difference...
Skyraider is rocket-armed DB, anti-light and ...
idk my guild mates are not super active. Could’ve been there since very long time ago
frank pulsar
they prob just use cuz shiny
steady beacon
Not implausible
sleek spade
Most likely
sweet delta
fixed sprite
Shinano-chan 120/130/135% for 2 flex / 3 DB / 4 TB planes
Every 15s, fire barrage, enemies hit by barrage get -3% AA forever, no stack.
Self +15% AVI and -20% damage taken. If no DD in fleet, the -20% dmg taken disappears after second strike.
sweet delta
just pretend the green box is the enemy and the red box is ally
inland shoal
<:ShiSleep:771507346069389313> fixed sprite
Shinano-chan 120/130/135% for 2 flex...
Hmm, doesn't each of the 4 bullets split into 5 spawners that spawn 5 bullets each though? Or am I reading sth wrong?
lilac jacinth
Which 3 subs to prio 120?
slow fox
U410, I19, and Surcouf.
vale spindle
Ayy same; she's the sponge for the free UR bulins so they don't build up in the ...
no mine is fully mlb but not lvl 125 yet
steady beacon
That is a lot of choices tbh...
hollow gust
he has archer albacore flasher
eternal moth
mine isn't leveled yet :(
slow fox
#trophy-room Smh
forest palm
they literally have all the top meta relevant subs, so do with that what you will
lilac jacinth
he has archer albacore flasher
So 120 these 3 first?
frank pulsar
thats the best setup atm
lilac jacinth
Ah ok. Who should be middle?
eternal moth
I don't remember the gear, but I think it was full autoloaders on the vanguard
frank pulsar
Ah ok. Who should be middle?
albacore
lilac jacinth
Okey
blissful hamlet
is datamine up now?
jaunty vault
full autoload+seattle gun on vanguard for bullet spam
crimson glacier
is it really that needed
frank pulsar
is datamine up now?
we have part of shinano chan kit out #gameplay-help message
crimson glacier
i dont think i used any autoloaders on my CM run
jaunty vault
i just used what was premade by someone else
blissful hamlet
just pretend the green box is the enemy and the red box is ally
the barrage is moving away from the enemy?
crimson glacier
cmon
inland shoal
the barrage is moving away from the enemy?
That was a reply to the thing MeBot said...
crimson glacier
look at the previous message
steady beacon
the barrage is moving away from the enemy?
No, no, that was etoile explaining how to interpret it if the enemy is firing
frank pulsar
the barrage is moving away from the enemy?
no thats cuz mebot was asking for enemy bullet sim, its just a joke...
jaunty vault
but even then the shield didn't get broken sometimes
crimson glacier
i just used ply guns as usual
eternal moth
Fleet tool really doesn't have Kear yet?
blissful hamlet
lilac jacinth
I have 6 +13 Bidder, do i need to make the UR sub torp?
slow fox
no thats cuz mebot was asking for enemy bullet sim, its just a joke...
It's not a joke, it'll be very important for the convolution function for the distribution of the enemy bullet
eternal moth
Whatever the first link was. Do you have the link for Renhex's tool?
steady beacon
blissful hamlet
Fleet tool really doesn't have Kear yet?
steady beacon
Oh God, I typed it from memory...
crimson glacier
oh god you have brainfunctions?
slow fox
jaunty vault
typing links doesnr work 
steady beacon
Yep, completely forgot about that
jaunty vault
oh god you have brainfunctions?
whats that 
lilac jacinth
Equip which? Left or right? Or both?
inland shoal
Typing links works fine, you just gotta add the http stuff
jaunty vault
both
steady beacon
I have 6 +13 Bidder, do i need to make the UR sub torp?
You don't have to, no
You can if you want to...
lilac jacinth
Ok thx
jaunty vault
lilac jacinth
You don't _have_ to, no
You _can_ if you want to...
I dont remember the last time i use sub, so i just wan to get over with this quick
plain saffron
why space
jaunty vault
thats how it appears
blissful hamlet
remove the / after renhex
jaunty vault
if i type the correct link
steady beacon
I dont remember the last time i use sub, so i just wan to get over with this qui...
If you just want it quick and easy, just use those six +13 Bidders
jaunty vault
remove the / after renhex
i didnt add that
lilac jacinth
If you just want it quick and easy, just use those six +13 Bidders
Thx
blissful hamlet
jaunty vault
oh it works now 
inland shoal
if i type the correct link
My discord doesn't do that, so looks like skill issue
steady beacon
@inland shoal , somewhat silly question but by pure chance I happened to see examples of what you refer to as "tags"
And I'm curious, what does the "Armor-CV" one do?
eternal moth
no mine is fully mlb but not lvl 125 yet
I think this was it, but I don't remember the exact gear on the main fleet
inland shoal
<@452258087701708800> , somewhat silly question but by pure chance I happened to...
Maybe Lusty class? Idk
forest palm
That is a questionable amount of Autoloader
frank pulsar
I think this was it, but I don't remember the exact gear on the main fleet
how did you even survive 
eternal moth
It died in 4 minutes
inner delta
Armor cv is indeed lusty class
steady beacon
Maybe Lusty class? Idk
Interesting... just that Illustrious-class is its own tag, so I wondered if it were something different
I thought maybe heavy armoured CV initially, but it seems Shinano-chan, at least, lacks it
Then again, I don't fully comprehend how tags work
elfin hollow
Do we have the datamine yet?
inland shoal
Interesting... just that Illustrious-class is its own tag, so I wondered if it w...
There's not much to comprehend about them, they're added to ships as is needed for specific skills
inner delta
Its both skill and history shit
steady beacon
There's history shit included in the tags?
inner delta
I mean them being armored cv
steady beacon
Oh huh, looking at Kongou, she has "Musashi-Game" so I guess that's how they get some event gimmicks to work, too
Fascinating stuff
plain saffron
yeah for musashi event
vale spindle
Heart-Linking Harmony
Event ends <t:1715238000:R>, at <t:1715238000>.
Links
- Datamine: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR1vLKixr7sq3hK0TytFsg2qzWX0COFPQuT6-Ae5VAo_HJu0wPblw4u1rdcNh6RSL9We_HH699i7aGD/pubhtml
- Contains shop priority, event rewards, etc.
- CONTAINS MAY 2024 CHALLENGE MODE.
FAQ
May CM?
- See datamine for more information.
Oil Cap?
Oil Cap is on SP5 , and is 20 mob, 30 boss, 15. Do /oilcap in #bot-spam for more information.
Farming Strategy?
Run SP5 with full fleets repeatedly. If unable to do SP5, use a 1:1 fleet on the highest stage possible.
- If possible, do the uSP once per day.
What are the ISP stages?
- They are similar to the Event EX stage, in that they are challenging relative to other stages, and give minor, one-time rewards upon completion. Only do them if you want; if you can't do the stage, you are not missing anything relevant.
What does "Clear with a Full Combo" mean?
It means "Defeat all enemies without getting any fights lower than B-rank".
Should I pull for these ships?
Reasons you should pull for the ships, in no particular order:
- Waifu
- Collection
- Better than a lot of permanent options at their hull type (only for gold/rainbow ships, check datamine for ship information).
*Note: There are 3 more UR events set to appear this year, plus potential UR reruns, so spend cubes at your own risk.
Shinano-chan Event?
Works the same way as the other loli ships. Grind story or event stages, get point accumulation, and acquire Shinano-chan.
*more information coming soon ™️ *
@south sequoia pin plz
or @inner delta / @inland shoal
south sequoia
# Heart-Linking Harmony
*Event ends <t:1715238000:R>, at <t:1715238000>.*
## Li...
First
slow fox
blissful hamlet
omg datamine
vale spindle
today was the first test and overwhelming success of nagami's datamine automation tool, so now theoretically anyone can datamine as long as nagami gives them access
inner delta
Ya just ping the orange next time
slow fox
Congrats @plain saffron
steady beacon
Nice work @plain saffron
plain saffron
Who's Nagami
silver lintel
So shinano chan good or nah
frank pulsar
looks good so far
crimson glacier
doesnt seem like anything special
south sequoia
Wait, none of the new aux gives muse status?
cobalt rapids
sadly
steady beacon
Apparently not
crimson glacier
based
south sequoia
Akagi Muse sad
crimson glacier
atleast she isnt formi
steady beacon
@inland shoal , to make 100% sure, Noshi Muse's Skill 2 is an InjureRatioByType a la Tanikaze right?
Uh, I guess InjureRatioByTorpedo, to be specific
south sequoia
I guess the hp barrier aux is nice
crimson glacier
how do you even calc eugen self dmg
slow fox
uhh std.dev off.
slow fox
how do you even calc eugen self dmg
Consume 5% HP 4 times is consume 20% HP
crimson glacier
but she can also self heal
slow fox
(mobbing) assumes she kills 8 enemies to recover 8% HP. Regular assumption she kills 0 enemies, recovering 0% HP.
south sequoia
The heal and crit rate is seperated right? So the vanguards can heal as much as they want assuming they defeat a lot within the duration?
slow fox
Good luck getting Eugen to kill more than 20 units 
crimson glacier
i just feel like on mob its kinda hard to really judge her tankiness
south sequoia
I think the main appeal is the fact she can make other vanguards also use the effect 
sweet delta
💀 wasted 45 minutes of my life, there does end up being 100 butterflies, but they're exactly stacked on each other in stacks of 5
slow fox
Mobbing eHP is a moot point anyways.
uni
laffii
sweet delta
💀 wasted 45 minutes of my life, there does end up being 100 butterflies, but th...
@inland shoal
slow fox
crimson glacier
what if she kills unit every 0.2 seconds
slow fox
what the
south sequoia
I see prinz muse having potent not as a main tank but as a sort of support
crimson glacier
if she is around portland then she is main tank
vale spindle
no she is the main tank as long as you are mobbing and have a healer
slow fox
slow fox
This is true DPS Eugen == eHP Eugen
south sequoia
I guess you can say eugen has infinite potential
vale spindle
whats the ehp assuming she gets a 8% heal from unicorn every 18s (which is probably too conservative but whatever)
and going back to a reasonable kill assumption
crimson glacier
just wait for year 2045 when we have 5000 reload tech
plain saffron
tldr who's good?
eternal moth
Noshiro for torp meme
slow fox
whats the ehp assuming she gets a 8% heal from unicorn every 18s (which is proba...
Assuming 3 heals, and shorter than ~70 second battle
cobalt rapids
# Heart-Linking Harmony
*Event ends <t:1715238000:R>, at <t:1715238000>.*
## Li...
cm is missing, but stig alr mined it so cant u add his ?
eternal moth
Boise is a healer. Interesting
eternal moth
Shinano-chan actually has decent eff on her planes? I didn't expect that
crimson glacier
i wonder how strong the enhanced barrage is
maybe it can kill some production ships
eternal moth
Please tell me that Shinano-chan isn't T0 as a purple
crimson glacier
ofc she isnt
dry zenith
She has 9 planes as an elite lol
eternal moth
Then again, she doesn't have much of a barrage, so maybe only t1
gusty olive
Formi Muse is a downgrade huh
crimson glacier
the barrage looks really weak and her only other offense skill is 15% avi
yeah formi looks fucking awful idk what they were smoking
gusty olive
Man... another botched shit
eternal moth
I'm thinking Formi might be lower tier than Shinano-chan at this point
south sequoia
yeah formi looks fucking awful idk what they were smoking
Preload must mean good ooga booga
gusty olive
Like... SLOW AT ENEMY KILL. ZE FUCK
crimson glacier
preload if you sacrifice half of your fleet
south sequoia
Theres potential if her skill counts for herself in muse like akagi does
vale spindle
it does
steady beacon
It does, yes
crimson glacier
it doesnt say other
south sequoia
Then just slap on kicks and dress
crimson glacier
i dont want to 🙂
south sequoia
😠
steady beacon
Oh, I intend to
Otherwise farming UiU really was a waste of my time
crimson glacier
and well, preload value is lower on mob anyway
gusty olive
What I don't like is slow upon enemy deth... Basically throws her towards mob fleet...
night pumice
so any of the new ships looking like they're good?
crimson glacier
ofc not, its muse event
gusty olive
rip Formi and Formi Muse meme set up lol
cobalt rapids
aight
crimson glacier
shinano but with a lot less dmg and no support
sonic hemlock
Wait. Eugen actually got 57 more FP than her regular version? Holy fuck.
crimson glacier
she also got barrage
blissful hamlet
eugen good
crimson glacier
looks like the best ship of these atm to me
slow fox
Same
sonic hemlock
Holy shit I was joking to myself that she'd get 60 extra FP, I didn't think that would turn out to be a reality.
crimson glacier
she still has bad effi mgm+0 but maybe the barrage is nice
and if you use muse faction aux then its slightly better
sweet delta
Shinano-chan keeps the kashino pair skill
crimson glacier
S A L V A G E D
sonic hemlock
...Wow, Formi's skills are... Bad.
crimson glacier
dont overrate her like that
night pumice
so should I try and get eugen muse or nah
sonic hemlock
so should I try and get eugen muse or nah
Try? She's free. She drops from SP4 and is in the shop.
night pumice
idk I haven't seen the update yet
steady beacon
SP5 btw
sonic hemlock
...I'm telling you, she drops from SP4, and is in the shop, this is something we already know.
night pumice
okay then
vale spindle
eugen muse is the free gold ship this event
so if you dont get her it means you didnt play the event enough
night pumice
oh uh is it better for me to just stock bulins and push ships to mlb one at a time or lb them in groups
crimson glacier
bunch of non mlb ships is just useless
vale spindle
lb them one at a time
crimson glacier
always better to focus on getting 1 ship to mlb asap
vale spindle
a ship going from lb0 -> lb1 does nothing compared to lb2 -> lb3
also if you know you are intending to max limit break a ship use the bulins asap on them, no need to hoard until you get 4 and use all 4 at once
night pumice
ah. guess I did some really stupid stuff then before finding out this discord existed, I've got one mlb destroyer and four at lb2
kind slate
Is maint in like 10 mins? Also how long?
inland shoal
<@452258087701708800>
Sorry, I already suspected that when asking the question, guess I should've remarked it
steady beacon
In 13 mins, for 8 hours
crimson glacier
check #game-news
night pumice
had to give up on farming ship drops today cuz I ran 2-2 for a good 5 hours trying to get pennsylvania before I gave up and just bought her from the guild shop
gusty olive
Rip Formi muse
night pumice
this might be a very stupid question but when the servers are offline, stuff like commissions won't keep timing down right
crimson glacier
they do
night pumice
oh okay
vale spindle
they will
Which is why you want to set all your afk thingys (dorm, comms, etc.) before maint
crimson glacier
everything works just like normal
inland shoal
Btw Formi also seems bugged so her s2 doesn't benefit from skill lvl
crimson glacier
i doubt that really matters when she is already at the bottom
what interests me is, does shooting down planes trigger s2
since that counts for end screen kills
inland shoal
I don't think so but don't quote me
echo axle
Is this good team for Opsi, I just sort of slapped Volga and Unicorn in there cuz I haven't built them yet
crimson glacier
front looks kinda awful
echo axle
Or should I replace the light Cruisers with others
echo axle
front looks kinda awful
I have others, can you recommend? I don't have Frontline UR tho which kinda sucks
echo axle
Then who's a good tank
slow fox
Eugen Mu
echo axle
I doubt I have a good tank unit
cobalt rapids
the non mlb ships arent helping ur fleet either
echo axle
Uhhhh, so heavy cruisers is the thing to go?
crimson glacier
oh that NJ is really handicapped
echo axle
the non mlb ships arent helping ur fleet either
Mlb ship? What's that
cobalt rapids
Uhhhh, so heavy cruisers is the thing to go?
portland is an easy to get statstick tank, otherwise depends on ur dock we cant predict whats in there and hull doesnt define roles
cobalt rapids
Mlb ship? What's that
make these stars full
or dont because u might have other prios for UR bulin over NJ
echo axle
Yeah I haven't really invested and I asked to make sure so that I don't LB the wrong ships 💀
So three UR Bulins and 4 SR are going in to feed them
cobalt rapids
or dont because u might have other prios for UR bulin over NJ
unless this yes
night pumice
Yeah I haven't really invested and I asked to make sure so that I don't LB the w...
this was literally me I invested bulins into all the wrong things
echo axle
unless this yes
Well I have Musashi but sort of well, I have enough Proto cores to buy the necessary Bulins to fully LB Musashi
cobalt rapids
well musashi def takes prio over nj
crimson glacier
musashi is way way way out of NJs league
cobalt rapids
what else have u got
echo axle
I got Vanguard, Zwei
sweet delta
low quality barrages
cobalt rapids
ok nvm.. zwei then
crimson glacier
both of those are also way better than NJ
echo axle
NJ got powercrept too much, sadge
So it's Zwei or Musashi over NJ and Heavy cruisers over Laffey and Helena?
crimson glacier
is that sandy retroed
echo axle
Yes
vale spindle
So you want portland as the tank, then you can keep laff and sandy alongside
gaunt hare
Eugen Muse skill is full offensive 
echo axle
Alr thanks
vale spindle
If you have a better tank than portland then use them
vale spindle
probably
elfin hollow
Is she basically the best purple CV ship because of the plane number?
crimson glacier
no
grim spear
Am i reading this wrong or does noshiro muse buff torps like crazy
crimson glacier
unicorn probably more useful than her even before retro
grim spear
It's like helena for torps?
crimson glacier
well helena also buffs torps
steady beacon
It's like helena for torps?
Some would describe it as Tanikaze but guaranteed
warm flax
Eugen still a laughingstock?
crimson glacier
eugen proabably best ship of the event
elfin hollow
+15% Eva rate after the shield is off, noshiro is cracked
grim spear
Even her barrage does TRP damage
crimson glacier
i dont see noshiro being good
elfin hollow
How is eugen better than noshiro, I dont get it
crimson glacier
noshiro does nothing useful, thats why
elfin hollow
She's tanky and buffs torps
cobalt rapids
but normal noshi has perm +15% eva rate
crimson glacier
tanky? lol
elfin hollow
Eugen basically buffs frontliners and thats it
crimson glacier
eugen can heal, tank and buff others
noshiro can only buff torp dmg
and torp dmg isnt really that useful
unborn temple
What's the difference between formi and muse?
crimson glacier
formi is bad and muse is fucking awful lmao
elfin hollow
I'd be happy if eugen muse turns out to be good
I just dont see her being that good idk
crimson glacier
she might not be good, but she still seems like the best ship of the event
elfin hollow
I like shinano-chan though, her having 9 planes is a pleasant surprise
jaunty vault
can you guys open datamine doc
crimson glacier
yes
unborn temple
Good answer. Thanks 
crimson glacier
like i dont want to be an ass but formi muse legit seems like a joke
grim spear
Noshiro muse shimanto jintsu?
crimson glacier
sounds like bad fleet
jaunty vault
wind hazel
cooper banned 
steady beacon
Try and C+P it into a browser
jaunty vault
Try and C+P it into a browser
works ty
crimson glacier
the dataminers found the controversial essex tweets cooper made in the past 😬
violet vigil
Since Kron event has been run twice, that means the next time will be perma?
plain saffron
yeah
violet vigil
Which that usually takes a year to two, right?
crimson glacier
probably a lot closer to 2
night pumice
is there a recommended order for the pr ships
crimson glacier
fdg asap
normal ember
Hmmm... I hope, barrage shi-chan will be nice, and little one SR girl will overdamage SSR big cv 😆
inland shoal
<@452258087701708800> , to make 100% sure, Noshi Muse's Skill 2 is an InjureRati...
InjureRatioByBulletTorpedo
steady beacon
InjureRatioByBulletTorpedo
Right BulletTorpedo
I will learn these one day
Cheerio
crimson glacier
from what the barrage looks like, i wouldnt expect it to do dmg
looks similar to normal shinanos weak as fuck butterflies
normal ember
Not good
steady beacon
... Hmmm, is there a reason Noshi's AoA is missing in the barrage data in the sheet?
winter condor
question would be good these fleets? full atelier for mobs / Shinano NJ unicorn Friedrich Carl (tank) Mainz and Kronshtadt for boss
steady beacon
Depends on how far you want to go with it...
As someone who has used them a fair bit, I'm rather sceptical that a full Ryza fleet gets past 13, and it almost definitely does not get past 14
icy mountain
does new event have a cube milestone?
sweet delta
... Hmmm, is there a reason Noshi's AoA is missing in the barrage data in the sh...
you can consult this different format and 10x velocity
专属弹幕-能代II
targeting TargetNil, 170462 is a SUB_CANNON
25 dmg, scaling on 100% of FP, 125% coefficient,
28 bullets of: HE ammo, 145/105/70% armor, 100±5 range, 14 velocity.
targeting TargetNil, 170463 is a TORPEDO
206 dmg, scaling on 100% of TRP, 100% coefficient,
4 bullets of: TORPEDO with 70/90/120% armor, 3 diameter, 150±10 range, 4 velocity.
steady beacon
does new event have a cube milestone?
Do you mean like... a pity number...?
If so, no; this is not a UR event
And Idt there are ever (?) cubes for milestone rewards, or certainly none I've ever seen
cobalt rapids
Depends on how far you want to go with it...
As someone who has used them a fair...
it should 
steady beacon
it should <a:EssexRun:662256346313523200>
Well, I must confess I'm not particularly inclined to try ... but if anyone has, I'd personally love to see it
I did take the human three to W13 Hard with me fwiw...
Oh and the OTP to W15
cobalt rapids
Well, I must confess I'm not particularly inclined to try <:PortDoll:58558524114...
patty is very good for flag bb on 14, klaudia is also good mainhealer
kala decent tank and ryza also good so basicly just carry the other 2 but as i dont have all these ships raised I rest my case aswell
steady beacon
Hmmm, the reason I worried about W14 was the sub pressure, but maybe I'm misremembering how bad it was...
sweet delta
w14 and 15 are clearable with zero asw
cobalt rapids
just dont fight dd nodes
but well gold asw plane on klaudia and hedge on ryza should be enough, i meant clear after all not 3* lethal
winter condor
i'm on 13 still no problems
steady beacon
Parting Ryza from the Four-Star Aurora setup and Klaudia from the Angelic Embrace setup gives me heartache 
Jokes aside, now I really wish once again it were possible to return maps to lethal because I'm genuinely curious about this...
winter condor
dunno on 14 tho but i have them maxed af
hard mesa
Does dot on next cm works to breaks (sks) stance?
silver lintel
My cursed w14 setup:
inland shoal
... Hmmm, is there a reason Noshi's AoA is missing in the barrage data in the sh...
Yes, me being tired
cobalt rapids
i fail to see the cursed part
steady beacon
i'm on 13 still no problems
If it's not too inconvenient, could you share your eq setup?
winter condor
they wear full colab gear + low/mid recomendations on the wiki
the boss flet is a bit more complicated and work in progress but they manage well the bosses for now
sweet delta
wiki recommendations?
cobalt rapids
wiki makes recommendations
steady beacon
Must be CN wiki
winter condor
i mean the github site
steady beacon
Patty with Testament Meteor setup?
winter condor
rain mesa
when is next UR event?
cobalt rapids
dunno on 14 tho but i have them maxed af
does mid reccomandations on patty entail odin gun since its in the middle ?
crisp wadi
when is next UR event?
CN anniv, late may
cobalt rapids
when is next UR event?
expected for cn anni, might change stay tuned
rain mesa
thanks cuties
winter condor
all are at lvl 10 only main gun is at +11
steady beacon
Fascinating, that is something I've never actually tried...
Prob because I'm not really used to mob battles lasting to 50s...
So just standard radar/white shell for me
sweet delta
Idk what the auxes do but it looks OK except for the AA gun
cobalt rapids
all are at lvl 10 only main gun is at +11
i recc reading /plus13 when u wanna go above +10 for gear
slow fox
renhecc
earnest rapids
how long will be the maintenance ?
steady beacon
About 7 hours more... in theory... 🤞
steady beacon
If only those auxes worked like they do in the actual game
winter condor
i recc reading /plus13 when u wanna go above +10 for gear
welp not all here we farm 24/7 XD i take it more like something to play on breaks or putting it on auto if i can't do more than 13 is fine
crimson glacier
ppl are at work in eu for most of the maint, thats like the opposite of suck
vale spindle
updated the pin 
winter condor
because the gear recommen for +11 to up all require a lot of farm and is a looong way
inland shoal
The only suck thing is CN maint finishing at 4~6am
vale spindle
can someone tell me if my timestamp is correct 
cobalt rapids
because the gear recommen for +11 to up all require a lot of farm and is a looon...
exactly why it shouldnt be thrown around on random gear
crimson glacier
rather 6am than like 1 am
steady beacon
Your timestamp looks correct to me, for my timezone, Sam
winter condor
exactly why it shouldnt be thrown around on random gear
but if i don't trow it in random gear i can't do anything going all +0?
jaunty vault
maint timestamp where
crimson glacier
im not seeing any timestamps but im sure its correct 🙂
inland shoal
can someone tell me if my timestamp is correct <:WarBlank:753375682620555284>
Looks good to me
cobalt rapids
but if i don't trow it in random gear i can't do anything going all +0?
no +10ing any gear is fine, I meant going above + 10, like how u said u +11 ur mk6 which isnt exactly a worthile investments for plates
steady beacon
Also, aren't the ISP stages just like... those extra challenge stages we had in Arclight rerun and Senran Kagura? Clear it once, no morale or oil cost, and get cubes and something else?
inland shoal
I think so
winter condor
no +10ing any gear is fine, I meant going *above* + 10, like how u said u +11 ur...
could be but i choosed that evil path
and for now works so is fine
knotty garnet
Thoughts on new Oigen muse?
crimson glacier
no
hollow gust
Akagi item doesn't work on her muse version right?
uneven cave
no
noble wyvern
when server maintenance finish? 
pure geode
unkempt mortar
lets say i got 34% on the 2.4m exp task with about 10-13 rounds of 11-1
how many more 11-1 do i have to do till 100%
thorny surge
Then I'd say 2 x ( 10-13)
unkempt mortar
so 20-26
knotty garnet
Oigen muse's skill is something else.
thorny surge
Do that amount and u should reach 100 %
unkempt mortar
now i understand why getting rainbow research ships is a pain
thorny surge
Yea
crisp wadi
when server maintenance finish? <:Ehhssex:611004140046254080>
9/10 pm wib
eternal basalt
now i understand why getting rainbow research ships is a pain
It's the bp that's the REAL problem
unkempt mortar
It's the bp that's the REAL problem
how much of a problem
eternal basalt
how much of a problem
Much
whole crypt
depends on the time scales you're considering, nothing in AL is particularly fast and research isn't exceptionally slow by the same measure
normal ember
But, after two year or more, u will just farm money and cubes between events, new world or new pr 
whole crypt
I'm just working on finishing fleet tech mostly
normal ember
Yee, MLB everything and take it to 120 is real pain 🙂
whole crypt
MLB is done, it's the leveling and chips
normal ember
All 600+ girls got MLB? Ohh
inner delta
uneven cave
how much of a problem
At least 10 times the effort of the exp grind 
whole crypt
MLB isn't the hard part when you're usually done with that every major banner for chat frame
prints take no real effort, it's just time
noble wyvern
9/10 pm wib
oh-
worldly pewter
can someone tell me if my timestamp is correct <:WarBlank:753375682620555284>
i want the jp server timestamp too
charred pollen
Don’t got much in terms of what the new ships do 
south sequoia
Don’t got much in terms of what the new ships do <:NagatoThink:70664201900667699...
All of them don't really stand out, formidable especially
but eugen and noshiro have the potential
whole crypt
i want the jp server timestamp too <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
extended
whole crypt
SP events aren't hard, and missing 1 day of SP isn't that bad
worldly pewter
i missed 3 SP from the kron event because i can't speedrun
whole crypt
the thing that takes the most time is cutscenes anyway
if you skip all of them you can run all stages in 2 hours
worldly pewter
whole crypt
eh I tend to miss the first SP run because attention span
worldly pewter
yeah and usually they don't release the SP stage from the first day
steady beacon
For big events, ye (although that's only bc the B/D stages are timegated for reasons I still don't comprehend)
worldly pewter
whole crypt
well D maps don't unlock till midday, and if I get off work late it's like 4 hours, and I don't usually skip story too much
shadow yarrow
is formi muse mid
whole crypt
I'm tempted to say she's worse than mid, but we haven't used her in practice to be sure
shadow yarrow
https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/1cckozw/datamine_425_mt_heartlinking_harmony/l15xdut/ prompted to ask by this thread
whole crypt
yeh I saw the thread too
steady beacon
It's safer to reserve judgments until we see it in action tbh
Not everything can be gleaned from just the raw data
whole crypt
but no one is even in the game yet and we need an environment to test her leveled
shadow yarrow
no its just the vibes there that prompted me to ask (those commenters)
steady beacon
Well, technically CN got back in an hour ago, you can try and go snoop on CN places if you want...
Provided you can decipher the spaghetti
plain saffron
who's the leaker
whole crypt
I mean CN just uses math numbers not really testing, in which case they'd have told you how she works from datamine
let me take a peek on nga
crimson glacier
formi just feels like they threw a dice for her proc % and conditions for her skillls