gameplay-help

[atomic abyss]

i swapped formi to avp hoping to increase by damage against rod meta

not only was timing a pain, the damage decreased

tf am i supposed to do, make avp launch after ark so she can launch tenrais or something

[cobalt rapids]

use rainbows

[atomic abyss]

welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

technically nano is ready

all i need is 20k coins to mlb her
the issue is more so haku

[forest palm]

using Ark Royal, and August together is an interesting choice

[atomic abyss]

ark regularly got mvp even in my old ark-centaur-formi comp

[steady beacon]

Who's the third again? Still Centaur? Or did you change

[atomic abyss]

when assault carrier procs its lovely

centaur is just easy to un-sync

[undone plover]

Ark is hit or miss with her buff but I have seen her do damage on par with my IJN pair. D30 haku though not FS5

[atomic abyss]

when assault carrier procs

[steady beacon]

Ark isn't to be underestimated tbh... she's fallen behind the best, true, but her damage against heavy especially is still pretty competitive...

[atomic abyss]

actually, are there DRs that are worth rushing to d30 before haku
fdg aside

[undone plover]

Her aa debuff is also decent ig

[atomic abyss]

yes im asking if i shd sac the pr5/6 rainbow BPs to haku

[forest palm]

I've always treated Ark like a joke tbh, especially when she's outclassed by August at her job

[atomic abyss]

it's easy to forget ark has 6x143% TBs...

[viscid swift]

eh not really, you'll want to stick around for 2 tenrais anyway

[soft raft]

imo I always use the blanks on the highest season they go up to

[atomic abyss]

yeah that's my policy usually

[steady beacon]

... I would say that may be a tad too nihilistic tbh...
How far is your Haku along?

[undone plover]

I wouldnt personally. There is also still 2-3 reruns that will give DR4 prints.

[atomic abyss]

27

im exactly 100 away

[steady beacon]

Ugh, OK, I would actually be tempted at that point ngl
I very distinctly remember sacking some DR5 prints for Agir and Haku, tbqh
Was it a good idea? Idk, but given my proclivities, I still hold Haku made a bigger difference for me than Ply ever did...

[atomic abyss]

well then the better question would be
is hinden that high in demand

[forest palm]

not necessarily

[atomic abyss]

ply aside, we know ply is her own league

[undone plover]

I could do the same but I am holding off. Just not sure what the extra 20% dmg on hakuu will help achieve

[viscid swift]

I could definitely see making the case for using DR6 prints for Plymouth, but that's as far as it goes for me

[half plover]

wow that trp requirement is insane

[atomic abyss]

well if i wanted to be silly and make my life easier

that's why we have 2 fleets

[half plover]

second doesnt count

[steady beacon]

No, not really...
Haven't you seen 2200 TRP reqs before

[atomic abyss]

it counts if the fleet is valid

[undone plover]

It does but it needs to be a viable fleet. At least 1:1 fleet with 1 req filled

[half plover]

aaah

I didn't know that, thanks

[half plover]

no 😭

[undone plover]

U also dont need to use the second fleet. U could put bad ships with enough level to be able to sortie and clear all w the first fleet

[steady beacon]

I would prio Haku over Hindenburg, but I'm also... very biased on that point

[atomic abyss]

i could just push ark's timings first and throw the tenrais onto avp

[half plover]

yeah I plan on using 1:1 until the oil caps

[atomic abyss]

...did WA get oilcap, i really dont rememeber

[steady beacon]

It did, ye

[atomic abyss]

i have never actually touched WA
maybe i shd huh

[steady beacon]

D stages only and uh... I think last stage of the small events?

[viscid swift]

not too much point tbh

[atomic abyss]

or rather, is there anything as an oldie worth getting from WA lol

[undone plover]

Free “gold bulins”

[atomic abyss]

...tempting yes

[supple ferry]

what is this basic life experience? i cant complete it

[viscid swift]

adding oil caps just made it go from a really bad idea to just one that's not worthwhile

[atomic abyss]

cos my avp is kinda scuffed atm

i think avp's advantage is supposed to be that she's easy to sync with other CVs

rodM kinda makes that not a thing tho

[undone plover]

Honestly avp is not worth imo just use indep if she is ready.

[viscid swift]

well her main advantage is she can completely stop enemies, whereas Ark can only slow them

[steady beacon]

Currently doing UiU for the Celestial Body in preparation for muse memes
But in seriousness, apart from fishing for the golds if you want them...

[atomic abyss]

i already pushed avp to 125 whoooops

[sweet delta]

Fantastic idea

[atomic abyss]

avp is my 4th lv125...

[steady beacon]

Eh, you are missing Implac aren't you
It's not like you won't get use out of AvP

[atomic abyss]

i am missing impla ye

ok you know what, let me just try putting avp last...

[whole crypt]

what are you setting up Parseval for

[atomic abyss]

rodM

im trying to make a rodM CV comp with what I have ready
and all it needs to do is out damage the Ark Centy Formi comp
surely 410k isn't that hard!

[steady beacon]

Ngl, given the assist attempts I've seen, 410k might honestly be considerably above the median
That, or this is an Amagi problem

[atomic abyss]

410k for me is the highest i've seen with my fleets, but almost certainly from assault carrier procs on ark lining up with helena's

[cobalt rapids]

i didnt notice any difference in my assists compared to prev meta fights

[hard sedge]

guys my data keys is almost capped should I focus on like thinning tht first or should I continue clearing the main story?

[cobalt rapids]

u can safely ignore wa key cap

[inland shoal]

data keys are pretty much always capped for most players

[steady beacon]

I don't really remember older ones, but everyone was oneshotting KirM

[whole crypt]

only reason to bother with archive is if you're level capped from campaign progression or you're trying any WA specific drops that are actually useful

[hard sedge]

tqtq

[inland shoal]

Nah, I have yet to see a meta without assists that do like 50k dmg

[frosty ore]

I have question, let's say I'm trying to get Houshou, which drop only from 7-4

Does she drop from every encounter or just from boss fight?

[atomic abyss]

pretty sure she's not boss only

[inland shoal]

If it doesn't say boss only it's not boss only

[atomic abyss]

for houshou SPECIFICALLY

[frosty ore]

So it's better to destroy everyone?

[inland shoal]

(on wiki)

[atomic abyss]

no

boss always guarantees a ship drop

random nodes do not

[eager mulch]

grind houshou in 15-3 bcuz oil cap

[inland shoal]

Just farm 15-3 instead

[frosty ore]

Not unlocked

[whole crypt]

more importantly why would you look at your screen while farming, just autosearch and come back in 5 minutes

[stable plover]

Guys are these good for soyuz?

[eager mulch]

it’s ok ig

[silk sphinx]

That’s a 35 fp aux gun I think

[atomic abyss]

assuming you're fighting med/heavy yeah it's alright

[frosty ore]

Thanks

[silk sphinx]

Could be better but it’s good

[eager mulch]

45

[silk sphinx]

Nvm then

[stable plover]

So is soyuz better against boss or mob?
Also does she need to have a fleet made of the same Faction as her ?

[eager mulch]

there aren’t even any 35 fp cl guns

[eager mulch]

She can do either, no

[ivory crown]

i cant beat 9-3 boss with 0/5 ammo, what should i do to fix this?
do awakening? make 2nd fleet? fix my gear?

[eager mulch]

all of the above

[ivory crown]

are these worth 125-ing?

[eager mulch]

helena and unicorn but damage dealing mainfleet gets prio

[whole crypt]

Unicorn is but not a priority, but you can 120 them without 125ing them

[stable plover]

So one last question who should I use soyuz instead of ?
First is my boss fleet
Second is my mob fleet

[whole crypt]

and at those levels you probably have a gearing issue, though awakening to 105/110 would help

[strong veldt]

Does Shinino want you to build around her? Or can you just jam her into a formation?

[ivory crown]

ok so ill focus on gear

so do i just make them at gear lab or something

[whole crypt]

every ship wants to be built into a composition that works for what it's meant for, Shinano or otherwise

[mellow cape]

Unicorn yes!

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[stable plover]

Uh so you guys use gear lab?

[sweet delta]

Sometimes

[eager mulch]

not anymore

[atomic abyss]

still have to

[stable plover]

Lol I never used it

[atomic abyss]

why wouldn't you tho

etoile and turtle don't use it cos they prob got all the stuff they needed

[whole crypt]

you not using it doesn't mean it's not part of the meta, welcome to gph

[atomic abyss]

on a note

putting AVP last actually worked

[sweet delta]

Mod abusing bypass slowmode to spam chat

[stable plover]

I just didn't bother since the mats needed are in ops and I don't really play that

[whole crypt]

can't remember the last time I crafted something in lab but yeh
hopefully will have something interesting to craft from CN anniv

[eager mulch]

triple negative makes my head hurt

[atomic abyss]

opsi is basically, if you still have time to play but no oil or morale to

[whole crypt]

well some of the best gear is in lab, you can live without them, but eventually you'll probably want them

[atomic abyss]

so yes, throwing tenrais on avp was the solution
who would have thought
thanks

[whole crypt]

OS is where I spend my time when taking a break from 14-1

[stable plover]

I see
So this probably means I need to start doing ops

[silk sphinx]

What ships do you use for that?

[whole crypt]

BisZwei/Unicorn/Volga/x/x/x

[stable plover]

So about this?

[whole crypt]

is your soyuz MLB

[eager mulch]

she was

[sweet delta]

Back in my day it was musashi uni ryuuhou plus three level 100s

[undone plover]

Probably richy tbh. Although in later chapters u want 1 BB 2 CV in both fleets

[eager mulch]

it’s quite shrimple, -1 gold BB, + 1 rainbow BB

[whole crypt]

also Guam should main tank not Unzen
and I personally prefer Bremerton offtank than maintank... though you'll need someone else to replace maintank

[atomic abyss]

actually, now that i think about it
wouldn't ryuuhou's sub related skillset make her more relevant than her other compatriots for w14 2nd healer?

[stable plover]

Wait so the 2 side positions have roles?

[sweet delta]

Not in the slightest

[whole crypt]

Bremerton main tank skill only lasts 30s

[eager mulch]

ryuuhou has a sub skill?

[atomic abyss]

While this ship is afloat: decreases your Vanguard's DMG taken from enemy SS torpedoes by 4.5% (12%). When your Submarine Fleet enters the battle: heals 10% (20%) HP to each boat in your Submarine Fleet. Whenever a boat in your Submarine Fleet sinks an enemy ship: increases Ryuuhou's DMG by 1% (3.5%) (can be stacked up to 6 times)

[stable plover]

I mean aren't they both just tanks?

[atomic abyss]

, ye it's cope

[whole crypt]

main tank or the frontmost ship usually takes the most damage and you want your toughest ship there
some ships have skills that operate based on position like Bremerton
Unzen is not a tank

[sweet delta]

Unzen is as much a tank as Portland is

[whole crypt]

which is not a tank in a fleet with Guam

[ivory crown]

should i craft augments for my vanguard

[inland shoal]

I mean sure, but they're not gonna help you much

[sweet delta]

Spend your coins on upgrading gear first

[stable plover]

So I should just switch unzen and Guam spots?

[ivory crown]

hmn how do i get more gear, im lacking crafting mats atm

also, is a specific faction's gear only equippable by that same faction?

[eager mulch]

no

[ivory crown]

ok

[atomic abyss]

you get gear really from t3 or higher tech boxes. research and gear lab, and OCCASSIONALLY farming

to answer the second question, no

[oak plaza]

is there any fixed order where I should clear the data-key-based former events

[eager mulch]

no

[whole crypt]

the order is to just not do them at all

[oak plaza]

completionist mayhaps

[whole crypt]

then just start from top to bottom

[vernal osprey]

Is there a limit as to how many urgent com you can get in one day? I have been grinding sorties for 2 hours and have yet to get one after the first two sorties

[ivory crown]

should i disassemble rare gear for gear storage

or is there any that i want to keep

[whole crypt]

not that I know of, it's just random

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II

[vernal osprey]

Oh ok...that means my rng is crap

[whole crypt]

if it's gear you actually want to keep but have no space, just equip your stuff on ships

[sweet delta]

I believe it to be more complex than a simple random die roll every battle

[whole crypt]

I'm willing to believe it's more than that, but we don't know

[vernal osprey]

It's been 6 years and azur lane has yet to disclose how the urgent com works?

[eager mulch]

you’re right, it’s not a die roll, it’s a coin flip, you either get one or you don’t

[atomic abyss]

they have yet to even disclose drop rates for SR on maps

[whole crypt]

it's coming to 7 years and they've never disclosed drop rates either, unsurprising

they don't even disclose drop rates for any ship, not just SRs

or prints for that matter

[sweet delta]

[vernal osprey]

Damn...is it like a "coin flip" after every battle or after every boss fight?

[whole crypt]

didn't they only release that after some serious data farming by CN

[atomic abyss]

nope

[ivory crown]

guide says use f4u corsair, are the golds better or no?

[whole crypt]

no idea how or when

[ivory crown]

is the general consensus to not use the golds if theyre not on the gear guide

[atomic abyss]

both of those golds are shit in this case
so yes stick to what's on the guide

[atomic abyss]

in this case, something the staff just said

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips#gear_rarity

[sweet delta]

They don't seem to perform very well for two 15-4 boss battles https://youtu.be/Vkt2aX79SjI

[ivory crown]

so should i change my air radars and stuff so that all ships have naval camo + repair tool kit?

[whole crypt]

for cruisers, DD wants 2 toolkits in general, main fleet ship want damage aux

[rapid grail]

15-4 what? i asked 14-4

[modern depot]

I’m unlocking FDG rn. I need to use Iron blood main ships. Tirpitz is not very good and I’d rather use someone who is already 125 over her. Does a LV 125 ships gained EXP go towards the 1.2 mil I need for FDG? Or am I forced to use tirpitz?

[cobalt rapids]

tirpitz is alr mlbed and +2fp so shes in fact very good

[whole crypt]

what's wrong with tirpitz

[eager mulch]

using a level 125 ship is a waste

[sweet delta]

Level 125 works, but what monster of a map are you farming where level 110+ Tirpitz is bad?

[modern depot]

12-1

[whole crypt]

if you have trouble with 12-1 at those levels you have a gear issue

[modern depot]

I definitely do have gear issues

[wind hazel]

just keep using your fleet1

or swap graf for jade if you dont wanna lv125 graf for some weird reason

[whole crypt]

if you know you have gear issue why are you trying to change a working ship over non-working gear

[modern depot]

I’ll get her to 125 but after she is done I’d have to use tirpitz

[whole crypt]

you don't need to 125 anything that's not going into endgame content

[modern depot]

I hate moving gear around because I lose track of so many things so I normally just assign gear and then don’t touch it. I usually follow the “highest” gear on the GitHub tierlist then if I don’t have a recommended piece I just put whatever on

[cobalt rapids]

ignoring some gear choices those gears arent even lvled ofc tirpit wont do anything with a lv0 mk6

[wind hazel]

just use Jade when your Graf is 125

[modern depot]

I need to put steam catapult on Avp

[cobalt rapids]

you need alot more
also not moving gear is a luxury and gear on unused ships is dead gear
just use the preset feature to keep track of ur loadouts on the ships u use later

[modern depot]

I’ve never played around with presets maybe I’ll dive into that

That’s fair enough.

[cobalt rapids]

we've all been there but look at it this way the more u optimize the faster ull progress the more ull increase ur gear and be able to afford dupes and the faster ull get to the point where u wont have to swap gear around ( that much )

[eager mulch]

also top doesn’t always mean the best in ECTL, that’s why they’re bad

[undone plover]

Does help count as 2x for reducing threat level?

[eager mulch]

no

[opaque yacht]

+13 this?

[eager mulch]

no

[cobalt rapids]

/plus13 if its not here then dont

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/+13_Priority.jpeg

[opaque yacht]

oki

[undone plover]

Is +13 hedgehog/asw plane/beaver req for w15?

[eager mulch]

no

nothing is required for W15 but having a mix of everything helps

[sweet delta]

Huh why is champ red and above Soyuz plus13

[rapid grail]

also i apologize being rude in my response, i was a bit busy at the time

[opaque yacht]

so i can +13 this??

[atomic abyss]

well, assuming you have the resources ye

[undone plover]

Only 2, 1 for each fleet. Dont +13 more than u need

[eager mulch]

someone hasn’t done the full sexy tech i see

[light totem]

hiya, had a quick question for grinding combat data purposes. is there any list or place i can look at ships that have XP bonus skills? aside from manually going thru all of them to read their skills..

[eager mulch]

wiki has them

[cobalt rapids]

ignore xp bonus skills

[undone plover]

Should ignore that mostly tbh

[atomic abyss]

but frankly, outside langley, none of them are worth using

and even then, langley only sees use in w15 support fleets...

[cobalt rapids]

but its nurn for subs, amazon for dds, yuubari for cl, langley for cvs

[opaque yacht]

this enough?

[whole crypt]

ignore unless the XP skill ship itself counts

[eager mulch]

Langley is +1 cv rld

[undone plover]

120 per SR gear

[eager mulch]

Argus

[light totem]

noted! thanks for the quick response im moving at a pretty good pace tbh but i just wanted to check and see if i could optimize more

[whole crypt]

Houshou too if you want to pile on

[cobalt rapids]

[eager mulch]

do people use Langley in W15 support

[whole crypt]

supposedly next ship down after Chen Hai, who's supposedly roughly Little Illustrious

[opaque yacht]

are there any good rare ships

[eager mulch]

how good

a rare ship will never be able to go toe to toe with a rainbow ship

[light totem]

im kind of new but in my limited experience the only rares that eventually become somewhat high end seem to be the ones u can retro

[eager mulch]

how good a rare ship can be is relative to the ships you have on hand

[whole crypt]

the only ones you'd really use for an extended period are Portland and Juneau

Pennsylvania too I guess

[eager mulch]

Pennsylvania is good to a brand new player but nothing more than a single medal to someone who’s been playing since the dinosaurs like cheeky

[viscid swift]

I haven't been playing that long....

[cobalt rapids]

is tanikaze at the high end of torp memes ?

[silk sphinx]

if you're in amagi you can't have been playing that long either way

[whole crypt]

that makes some of the folks here pre-dinosaurs

[steady beacon]

... In what context, exactly

[terse sinew]

Can PR ships gain exp with 125 lvl ships?

[whole crypt]

tanikaze was part of the top torp memes at some point but I wouldn't say she still is at this point

[cobalt rapids]

#gameplay-help message in this context

[whole crypt]

also, torp memes.

[undone plover]

How many xp slots do I lose if I start running ch14 for farm? 14-1 and 14-4 specifically

[cobalt rapids]

14-1 like 3 depending on ur gear and carries
14-4? idk never farmed it

[steady beacon]

OK, so PvE
I'm totally not using her against RodM
Objectively, should you use her? Probably not
Is she fun? Absolutely

[whole crypt]

generally you're looking at 3 main fleet carrying 3 vanguards for leveling, and the lower bound you can bring is going to be like lv 105 or so depending on how good the ship is

that's for 14-1, 14-4 is going to be harder and you'll probably need to keep 1 strong vanguard for ASW

[cobalt rapids]

2 main carries + brest also does the trick

[eager mulch]

just farm 12-4

[cobalt rapids]

nah

[whole crypt]

well you tend to run out of main fleet ships to level before vanguard

14 better chip cope

[undone plover]

13-4 is great tbh but want to also get orleans at some point

[eager mulch]

just grind 14-4 before a UR event under the excuse of farming 300k coins

[cobalt rapids]

~~just wait for 14-4 hm ~~

[eager mulch]

+6 core data/day

[whole crypt]

if you can grind 14-4 you probably don't need the coins and are better off grinding 14-1 unless you're still waiting for NO

[ivory crown]

how do i get more gear crafting materials

[whole crypt]

play more OS

[cobalt rapids]

play more opsi

[eager mulch]

daily raid opsi

[whole crypt]

lv95 daily raid doesn't really help early on because you'll be short of designs and ord reports... but it's nice when you get there

[eager mulch]

it exists

[kind slate]

Which kms plane should I give avp? I still have no clue how to use her yet tho

[cobalt rapids]

the good ones, usually its bf109/junker

but thats generally sinces shes used against st bosses but it can change depending on content

[kind slate]

I’m planning to use her in opsi. Also how to time cvs?

[undone plover]

u typically use her in a full CV fleet and time everyone together. AvP stops enemy and everyone will land their rockets/torpedoes
there are better CVs to use in campaign but she is decent there ig

[undone plover]

https://traneptora.com/azur-lane/cooldown/airstrike/
or copy someone who's done their homework

[cobalt rapids]

u time cv by aligning their airstrike together to match the freeze point which for avp is usually between 0.03s and 0.2s from each other valid for 3-4 airstrike with avp in the middle

tighter = better for longer durations

[inland shoal]

Nice out of context quote

[kind slate]

Is this separated by use? Like against armour type?

[cobalt rapids]

content and ur timing needs

u only need 1 ib plane to proc it

[inland shoal]

Fighter by armour, TB by timing mainly

[kind slate]

I’m just starting to realise, timing cvs is a pain

[undone plover]

do nano/haku pref flag?

[soft raft]

depends on whos barrage you want to put more copium into

[undone plover]

are they position dependent?

[atomic abyss]

yep

[undone plover]

[inland shoal]

Haku only without Fighter

[chilly crow]

Does Sovetsky Soyuz's support skill consider herself as one of two battleships to activate?

[silver lintel]

1st 14-4 clear with this, vanguard almost ded though, unzen died, should i change unzen to jeanne

Also do i go double tb on haku

[undone plover]

what is renown META gimmick? also why some ppl use frontier medal in META fights? does it work or is it pvp only?

[inland shoal]

Always unless the skill says "except" or "other"

[atomic abyss]

renown meta is basically, stop her special attacks from charging or your backline dies after failing 2x

[inland shoal]

It's just a steam cata

[sweet delta]

Your cross fleet barrages may prefer haku to be flag in opsi 🤏

[steady beacon]

Frontier Medal effect does not work in PvE, but it gives the same AVI value as catapult and if you +13 it well, you might as well use it rather than +13ing another Steam Catapult

[atomic abyss]

stopping her 2x gives her a debuff

[undone plover]

i see thanks all . do i need anything specific to stop it or just do dmg?

[kind slate]

is there anyone whose done their homework?

[atomic abyss]

just do damage
you might need to time the shots

[sweet delta]

It's a gear issue or just very unlucky

[atomic abyss]

i believe BBs are better for renown meta for this reason

[whole crypt]

how

[undone plover]

depends which 3 CVs u will use

[soft raft]

Skills like that always include the ship the skill belongs to unless explicitly stated otherwise

[steady beacon]

Plenty, but the homework you copy depends on which boss it's for

[sweet delta]

Siren killer

[eager mulch]

tech, boss armor, other cvs, oaths, levels, many factors yes

[silver lintel]

Torp bulge+rudder on agir?

[kind slate]

ahh. right

[sweet delta]

Main fleet gear, vanguard gear, lack of cats, bad luck, many factors

The sooner enemies die, the less damage your fleet takes

[keen sable]

too fast and your cd isn't ready for next command ship

[stark quiver]

what ammo to use for 14-4 mob?

[whole crypt]

BB use 457 if possible

[elfin hollow]

Does this build work for Laffey?

[whole crypt]

if she's not dying then I guess
otherwise twin toolkits
also retrofit

[elfin hollow]

Yeah, working on the retrofit. Almost there. And so far so good. I guess since she is a hybrid anything goes

[whole crypt]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/dd?ship=laffey https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment for reference

[elfin hollow]

Thanks!

[eager mulch]

oxytorp pre-retro laffey tech

[whole crypt]

well if she's surviving with a +4 toolkit my guess is he's just way overleveling content

[atomic abyss]

well oxy torp laff kai was a thing

[stark quiver]

overlevel + some gear will get u past most stages until like w9 or 10

[atomic abyss]

considering there weren't many alternatives for offensive frontline auxes

best you had then was an autoloader

[eager mulch]

it just seems a bit early to own an oxytorp

[whole crypt]

wasted cores yeh

[elfin hollow]

Lol, yeah the torpedo was meant for my IJN DDs at first, until I realized I won't actually use them so this happened now

Also I am at w9

[kind slate]

This team dies in w12-2 boss. Pls help

[soft raft]

how the fuck

[atomic abyss]

definitely a gear issue

[jaunty vault]

bet its hard mode

[atomic abyss]

that's like 15 level advantage for normal

[stark quiver]

are you one fleeting (which is fine) definitely a gear issue

[stark quiver]

send gear screenshots pls

[jaunty vault]

oh one fleet no healer means dead dead

[kind slate]

Pls wait a sec

this

[stark quiver]

one fleeting?

[atomic abyss]

[kind slate]

no.

[atomic abyss]

how is that dying

[sweet delta]

is this sorcery even possible? Who dies

[atomic abyss]

the only sorcery here is that auto was possibly turned off by accident

on second thought

457 and no rockets against tanikaze...

[cobalt rapids]

no second thoughts

[stark quiver]

well for one, voro ass gun, switch that shit for a triple 152 or something

[atomic abyss]

even then should only be a time out

wait, those AA...

[sweet delta]

...are nearly the best

[cobalt rapids]

this is one sorcery the 2nd is that mirror is fake

[kind slate]

so only improvement i can make is to get better gun for voro?

[atomic abyss]

the only possibility is if 457 is doing no damage cos of DD bosses
and the CVs are whiffing against a DD

but even then shd only be a time out

[modern depot]

How how how I clear with this, on auto and my gear is all ass. Literally all of it is terrible

[stark quiver]

switch backline equip to anti light stuff

[atomic abyss]

who exactly is dying

[cobalt rapids]

are your gears +10 ?

[frosty ore]

Is it worth buying the gold equipment from Core shop?

[soft raft]

/coredata

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Core_Data_Priority.jpeg

[cobalt rapids]

check /protocore or /coredata in #bot-spam

[atomic abyss]

what map is this exactly

[modern depot]

12-1

[atomic abyss]

you aint 1 fleeting 12-1 without a healer

[frosty ore]

Thanks a lot

[cobalt rapids]

use a 2nd fleet to pad acv, dont onefleet it and use a boss fleet

[kind slate]

so swap out flapjack and twin 457?

[atomic abyss]

1 fleet past w9 is just why honestly

that shd work, but again

WHO is dying?

[soft raft]

what is with the full iron blood backline?

[eager mulch]

PR grind

[atomic abyss]

then run 2 fleets

[stark quiver]

id assume that backline is dying to suicide botes

[eager mulch]

12-1 suicide boats? Yeah no

[atomic abyss]

w12
suicide boats
wha

[soft raft]

there are no suicide boats in W12-13 outside of gold boat nodes

[atomic abyss]

^

[stark quiver]

dafuq

[atomic abyss]

yeeeeep

that's why you can run 3 CV in w12 with no issue on mob

[eager mulch]

unbuffed avp and graf don’t have the best fighter slots

[atomic abyss]

i mean
if you really needed a CV with a secondary there's Zeppy and Houshou

[stark quiver]

just use

[atomic abyss]

yeah, but again, who is dying anyways

[atomic abyss]

is there any reason why you aren't using a 2nd fleet?

the 1 fleet is almost certainly the source of all your problems

[eager mulch]

he one fleeted without a healer

[atomic abyss]

i change my statement

you ain't 1 fleeting 12-1 reliably without a healer

[modern depot]

All auto. Also the reason I’m not using a second fleet is:
1 I can beat it with just one fleet so I’ll just do that and 2 I’m trying to unlock FDG and I don’t have enough main fleet ships to form another one.

[cobalt rapids]

theres no reason not to choose a 2nd fleet to pad acv

[atomic abyss]

^

[modern depot]

They won’t be getting any exp anyways since they won’t fight

[atomic abyss]

and i highly doubt you don't have enough main fleet ships

just, don't use ironblood ones

[soft raft]

1. Just because "You can get away with it" doesnt mean it's a good idea
2. Either grind for FdG or push W12, not both at once
3. A second fleet is mainly to kill the boss so that wouldnt really speed up your XP gain

[modern depot]

What does this mean?

[sweet delta]

do you know the ACV

[cobalt rapids]

make this go green = make stuff ez

[sweet delta]

this ugly red color

[silver lintel]

Ded sub in battle affect s rank or nah

[modern depot]

NO WAY I didn’t even know about this ACV

[atomic abyss]

well now you do

[modern depot]

I will definitely throw another fleet in there then

[atomic abyss]

yeah if someone asked you to copy that, it's almost certainly with a 2nd fleet to pad acv...

[modern depot]

I was just using 12-1 for exp grinding cause it seemed to be the best EXP efficient map for me that’s all

[atomic abyss]

i mean, w12 is generally the best place

[kind slate]

i tried again after swapping out flapjack and twin 457 and the ones that died are soyuz, agir and ancho.

[atomic abyss]

[sweet delta]

gonna need a video

[atomic abyss]

yeah... sorry my dude, we gonna need to see a video

because at those levels, with those exact gearing, with 2 fleets
i can't fathom how it's losing

[eager mulch]

i can

[elfin hollow]

Are iron blood twin prototype 406mm he gun good?

[atomic abyss]

enlighten us o aged turtle

[eager mulch]

FdG gun

[atomic abyss]

...it has AP in the name?

[eager mulch]

I can’t think of any IB 406 twin AP guns my bad original gangster

[atomic abyss]

i mean neither can I then again

[elfin hollow]

No but it has simliar name with the American one

[atomic abyss]

i don't think there was a twin 406 american gun...

[eager mulch]

by hitting manual and then taking your hands the device

[elfin hollow]

Sigh let me just show you

[atomic abyss]

oh i mean, that is what i said earlier

but surely that can't happen twice

ahahahaha...

[elfin hollow]

Yes mb not ap and is this one

[sweet delta]

am i supposed to put 🧯 on the auto search 15-4 mob BB

[eager mulch]

fucken told y’all

[atomic abyss]

yeah that gun is neat

[modern depot]

So how do I get ACV? Like what are the requirements for the fleet? Do they need to be carriers?

[elfin hollow]

Im using that on soviestky (mob bb)

[sweet delta]

/wiki list of ships by airspace

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Airspace_Control_Value

[atomic abyss]

tldr, throw in more carriers ye

[elfin hollow]

Is that alr?

[undone plover]

I have some Q with detection

1-does getting hit with enemy shells reveal CV if it doesnt cause burn?
2- if i have triple CV does this mean enemy will fire blindly or will they target "where my ships are supposed to be" and basically guarentee a hit (assuming eva check fails)
3- does running 1 BB mean they will target that BB and therefore having BB will help CV maintain hidden status?

I am just wondering about detection with shells not plane or boats crossing the line

[modern depot]

Thank you 🙏

[atomic abyss]

yep

[eager mulch]

more like more often

[elfin hollow]

Glacier ?

[eager mulch]

her barrage

[atomic abyss]

her barrage skill

[eager mulch]

if you want main gun damage then it’s quite poor compared to its competition

but it’s mob so who cares

[sweet delta]

1-usually no
2- usually yes, some enemies can blind fire
3- usually yes, but some enemies still like to blind fire your cv even if your bb is revealed

4- all or almost all challenge mode bosses have a skill that repeatedly does a burning blind barrage if your main fleet is all concealed

[silver lintel]

Do i need rudder on bb for 14-4 boss

[outer kernel]

what's the best map to grind for easy coins + beaver squad?

[jaunty vault]

not really but ig it depends on context

wouldn't recommend defensive aux on backline unless theyre dying without one and not dying with one

[modern depot]

This is my gear btw, it’s terrible

[eager mulch]

could be worse

[atomic abyss]

pretty much the only major issue are the auxes

[jaunty vault]

gold quint mags are an issue

[weary gust]

4/6 star Laf2 is pretty major issue.

[eager mulch]

fighters could be better since it’s 12-1 after all

[sweet delta]

not just one, but two

[atomic abyss]

well me155 have some of the best intercepts

ah ye missed the laff II

[eager mulch]

laffii doing nothing there

[modern depot]

I’m bullin poor

[cobalt rapids]

[atomic abyss]

might want to drop the laff II for something else then

[ivory crown]

do i just keep doing these until i unlock rodney?

[jaunty vault]

do your own bosses too

[kind slate]

oof. i cant upload a video. too big dont have nitro

[jaunty vault]

and do it atleast till you mlb her

[ivory crown]

i had one and i killed it, how often do they pop up

[jaunty vault]

twice daily if you do opsi

[atomic abyss]

we're boosted tho
so unless file is bigger than 100mb shdnt be an issue

[cobalt rapids]

put it on streamable or some other known video hosting site

[kindred dust]

Wuts best stage to farm coins?

[atomic abyss]

12-4

[elfin hollow]

Is level 10 now

[elfin hollow]

Why is Bismarck worst then the rest

[modern depot]

Just the one I use the least. I don’t splash her around other fleets like some of the other units. I also don’t have a ton of carriers built so better gear to go around. Also laziness, been pretty busy the past 2 weeks haven’t had much time

[silk sphinx]

14-4, seeing as you're from 2018

[atomic abyss]

[vale spindle]

[jaunty vault]

lixxy is right

[kind slate]

how do i send video. too big. how do i make smaller

[vale spindle]

Just upload it to YouTube or streamable

[stark quiver]

right here

[jaunty vault]

@kind slate

[silk sphinx]

12-4 isn't best coin or exp, it's just an easy stage you can farm with tech trash

[kindred dust]

Embarassingly enough i only just full cleared ch14 last week

[vale spindle]

If you want to level ships at the same time 12-4
If you only care about coins and nothing else 13-4 or 14-4 are better

[silk sphinx]

13-4 then

but normally coin isn't hugely in demand for endgame players (neither is exp though tbh)

[vale spindle]

Coins are in huge demand for me cause unique augment for fleet tech ships are expensive :(

[silk sphinx]

well i just ran out of aug materials for crafting so

coins still high

[jaunty vault]

farm 13-4

[kind slate]

this https://streamable.com/7yzthb. Should work?

[jaunty vault]

why doesn't it embed

[kindred dust]

13-4 better than 14-4?

[vale spindle]

It works yes

[vale spindle]

If you can do 14-4 and you don't care about exp then it's better

[jaunty vault]

its faster and easier and about same coins per oil

[kind slate]

yea. this is video of me dying in w14-2 boss. and i want help

[kindred dust]

Ah ok

[cobalt rapids]

u said 12-2

[silk sphinx]

13-4 you can afford to raise some ships in your mob fleet

[sweet delta]

[silk sphinx]

14-4 less so.

[atomic abyss]

that's... definitely not 12-2

[kind slate]

did I? im so sorry i meant 14-2

[atomic abyss]

[stark quiver]

[atomic abyss]

that would explain a lot

[modern depot]

Hahaha

That would explain it

[frozen dune]

just got my 3rd CA gun should i do more quad or tenrai

[jaunty vault]

how much of those do you have

[atomic abyss]

ok well this was the fleet

and i think

[frozen dune]

3 quad 3 tenrai

[atomic abyss]

a good start might be to get the ships to 125

[jaunty vault]

quad then ig

could go for the skc if have none

[frozen dune]

skc?

[atomic abyss]

you can go back to the 457 and the flapjack definitely

[jaunty vault]

the pr6 UR equip

[kind slate]

ill run back to w12 to get them to lvl 125 then.

[frozen dune]

uuh i forgot to said it was my 3rd UR pr6 sorry

[silk sphinx]

get more plym gun then (pr5)

[frozen dune]

that why asking if tenrai or quad is better since u dont use ca gun that much

[silk sphinx]

if you have three of both I don't see the point in getting more of those

quads though... you can use quite a lot of them at the same time

[stark quiver]

if youre running 2 fleet for 14-2, it might be better to put IJN torpedo bombers on haku for the damage booost and stuff

[vale spindle]

Hey if there isn't a (valid) target on screen and you launch an airstrike do the payloads still drop cause i noticed that whenever my shinano fires during the last 10s of modney she drops like no payload unless I'm blind

[steady beacon]

Ye that happens to me for RodM too
I... cannot think of any other occasion to check this, though

[vale spindle]

fair enough xd

[silk sphinx]

I wasn't sure either because in the last couple secs against rodm bb strikes don't launch either

[sweet delta]

put 457 and flapjacks back, and nothing you can do about the vanguard losing 50% hp in 3 seconds besides switching voro to jeanne

[kind slate]

i dont have jeanne.

ill try farming exp to lvl 125 then retry the stage

[sweet delta]

then just quit the battle if your vanguard eats a torp wave

i wouldn't 125 voro

[silk sphinx]

how close do you get to killing? honestly that fleet looks pretty capable of killing

[glass quest]

is Hindeburg at 20/30 dev lvl already usable or not

[sweet delta]

https://streamable.com/7yzthb

also get better AA

like twin 113 instead of twin 90

[atomic abyss]

usable in the sense you can level her up in like w12, yes
usable in the sense she's going to pump out her ridiculous dps, no

treat her as a non mlb ship really

[kind slate]

should i get all aa into roomba?

[sweet delta]

soyuz and indep could be on staag, and all vanguards on 113

and w14 is where you want to start having wyverns and flapjacks

instead of hellcat and barracuda

[kind slate]

i have 1 more flapjack and 1 wyvern and theyre in mob

[sweet delta]

put 14 off until you get better gear and ships

[kind slate]

is there a target i should work towards? like 2 wyvern, 1 more tenrai, etc

i also thought wyvern was for mobbing and not bossing?

[sweet delta]

these planes being alive is what kills your main fleet

[worldly pewter]

independance is so squishy

[sweet delta]

you have two problems,

1. main fleet ded because enemy planes aren't dying. Twin 113, fighters, and wyverns deal with that
2. vanguard ded because they eat torps, nothing you can do about it but get better luck or jeanne

[kind slate]

ok. i will get a few more wyvern and flapjacks. before trying again

[stark quiver]

🕹️

[worldly pewter]

or he can move the wyvern to the boss fleet ?

[stark quiver]

then mob gonna get destroyed

[worldly pewter]

so ground aa is very weak at that level ?

[stark quiver]

its the lack of gear

[worldly pewter]

what about if he has guam and sandy in mob fleet

[stark quiver]

[kind slate]

i have guam in mob

[ancient kettle]

So… I got a second NJ… first one is fully LB, so what do I do with her?

[atomic abyss]

retire

[worldly pewter]

experimenting with ground aa with scuffed aerial might get u by
although i still didn't experience the taste of ch14 yet
still lacking cv

[soft raft]

Scrap
There is zero pratical justification to raising dupes in general, especially UR ones

[worldly pewter]

also isn't this better for bossing than flapjack ?

[stark quiver]

for what context, light/medium yea

[atomic abyss]

given it's 14-2 as shown here

[soft raft]

against light/medium where AA IS NOT a concern
Which means OpSi 99.9% of the time

[atomic abyss]

with the planes still alive to yeet into the backline

i don't think the bf-109 with NO aa guns is gonna help here

[worldly pewter]

i told him to move the wyvern to the boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

wyvern alone isn't gonna fix everything

[terse sinew]

Which position was the main tank in a fleet?

[fluid brook]

Leftmost

And flagship in case of backline

[jaunty vault]

frontmost in battle

[fluid brook]

Leftmost in the fleet building UI, it will appear at the front when doing sorties

[somber canyon]

Is it worth it buying the T3 development container?

[jaunty vault]

the what?

[jaunty vault]

do your opsi and buy from shop ig

you get directly the mats most of the time

think arbiter gives selector but not too sure

[somber canyon]

Alright then, thanks 🙂

[soft raft]

normal arbiter does yee

[stable plover]

Guys what PR ship should I focus on?

[soft raft]

FdG -> All of PR4 -> at least Plymouth from PR5 -> everyone else

Also note that you have to get at least one ship from PR1-5 for the rookie missions

[undone plover]

imo stop buying the t1/t2 boxes and META mats before considering not buying this.
if u are actively doing your opsi u should have enough to clear out all the shops anyway

[stable plover]

Well I got anchorage

She is dev 30

[soft raft]

then do FdG and everyone else in PR4

[stable plover]

I just unlocked her and straight away maxed her out

[jaunty vault]

they havent unlocked the new shop

[stable plover]

Ok thank you

[undone plover]

Do FdG so u can start coining her then do another gold PR4 so that u can start coining them by the time u finish coining anchorage

[undone plover]

even more reason to clear out the shops then so that u can buy the good stuff

[stable plover]

Anchorage is almost done

But I also have kears should I still use blueprints on her or should I keep them for FdG?

[undone plover]

yeah she needs 120 more BP for FS5 which is 12 days if u buy 10 per day
u want to start coining AvP/Marco soon after that.
this way u will finish PR4 sooner. once a ship is dev30 (or FS5 if they have it) u will stop seeing their faces in research
meaning u can finish agir/hakuu faster

[mellow cape]

Besides op si, what do end game players really farm for?

[jaunty vault]

fdg is coinable so using selector BPs on her is a waste, more so if its from later seasons, so no, not on fdg

[forest palm]

120 tech, and coin....

[soft raft]

the coin grind never stops

[stable plover]

Oh so I just use them on kears I guess

[jaunty vault]

there's also fleet power farmers

[forest palm]

fleet power farmers are a different breed let's be honest

[stable plover]

Here I thought I was rich with 160k

[stable plover]

Thx

[elfin hollow]

Ayy im also at the same step twins

[undone plover]

u should finish season 4 then season 5 and lastly season 6
meaning u shouldnt worry about kearsarge anytime soon

keep selector BPs for the same season
dont use general series 6 BP on lower season

[mellow cape]

I'm sitting on 490k ATM and I don't know what to spend it on, I guess some meowofficers and gear

I don't think I'm at endgame yet tho, I still have w15 and maxing out gear as best as I can

[stable plover]

Nice brother

[pearl olive]

I just notice i can retrofit her happaretly, is she any good?

[inner delta]

not worth

[sweet delta]

Bad before retro, very expensive to retro, still mid after retro

Nelson for example is stronger and much cheaper

[pearl olive]

And is her good? (Please tell me she is lol)

[sweet delta]

not worth

[jaunty vault]

she is good at mlb

[sweet delta]

Ships need limit breaks to be good, and your rainbow bulins should be saved for more impactful rainbows

[pearl olive]

Understood

Thank you for the tips

[main latch]

Which one of Kronstadt's skills should I prioritize first? Or should I level them equally

[jaunty vault]

doesn't matter either ways

you want them all levelled

some recommend doing each skill to lvl6 cause ships would be more usable when levelling

but me personally, too much effort

[main latch]

Ah okay thanks.

Sorry if this is a dumb question but how does one get more snacks for dorm im almost out..

[frail ledge]

You can buy it with Oil

[main latch]

Damn was hoping there was another option oils a little tight rn

[frail ledge]

Or the shop

[stable plover]

Guys am back for a question
I wondered hard but couldn't come to a conclusion which 2 of these 3 are better?
I have 2 more slots to fill in my iron blood fleet

[frail ledge]

Did you looked up the tierlist?

[sweet delta]

The gold ones are better

If you can afford them

[main latch]

Who should i work on getting my next retrofit for ?

[sweet delta]

Unicorn Portland laffey nelson

[main latch]

Any particular order i already did unicorn

[sweet delta]

Portland laffey nelson

[stable plover]

What about San Diego?

Isn't she a solid ship for mob fleet?

[sweet delta]

Paying 4 to 7 gold bulins, half a rainbow bulin, and 100k coins for a solid ship doesn't sound too good

[stable plover]

Oh ye forgot that she isn't friendly to new players

What about helena for boss fleet?

[elfin hollow]

Unicorn helena then portland

[eager mulch]

portland, laffey, Nelson, helena

[elfin hollow]

Unicorn should be the highest priority

[eager mulch]

i already did unicorn

[elfin hollow]

Dw about sandy until world 12-14

[surreal jackal]

I have 6 bullins, which 2 of Laffii, Kron, Sov do I MLB? Others URs for reference

[eager mulch]

soyuz, laffii, kron

[sweet delta]

soyuz, laffii, save

[eternal basalt]

Next month is the new UR, save 4 bulin for it

[haughty dust]

any of these characters labeled as “new” ever worth getting at any point in the future? whether it be for tech points or for fleets in general.

[eager mulch]

if we ignore nagato’s niche use in modney fight there all just tech

[haughty dust]

Modney fight?

[surreal jackal]

meta rodney

[worldly pewter]

yeah nagato i think
good ijn tech

[eager mulch]

Massachusetts is 2 BB hit tech

[arctic aspen]

what do I do with these if the prototypes are gone

[eager mulch]

save them?

[keen sable]

wait until next month for gold bp. did you buy out all the rainbows?

[dawn crest]

Golden prints for cruisers, are they harder to drop or is it just my impression?

[rain vine]

rng, if comparing to other gold prints

[novel solstice]

Drop rates aren't published, but I suspect you are just suffering a run of bad rolls.

[dawn crest]

So it's just my bad luck after all.

[stable plover]

Damn just how long did it take you to get that 33k??

[arctic aspen]

2 days

[inland shoal]

33k isn't even that much tbh, if you've been playing since when URs were introduced you should be at about 100k now

[dawn crest]

I've started farming the PR ships from KSM. At the moment, I'm about to finish Prinz Rupprecht, and I'm missing Mainz, Agir, and Felix. Should I farm Agir and the other DRs next? By the way, I'm farming by faction, except for Georgia; I've already farmed all from the US. Georgia is lacking 800K XP; once I finish her, I'll move on to farming the French ships, starting with Gascogne and then Flande, leaving only the DR Brest. But here comes the question, should I farm the DRs now, or should I secure all PR ships first?

[inland shoal]

Unlock order doesn't rly matter tbh as long as you unlock ships before you can d30 them and always make sure you have at least 1 PR and 1 DR to coin

[dawn crest]

DR coin is only for PR2?

[inland shoal]

And 3

[dawn crest]

so Azuma and Drake

and then the PR ships

[dawn crest]

Thanks

[eternal basalt]

FdG not exist for you?

[chilly birch]

Hey what are the recommended fleets for 15-2 and beyond? The only ships I don't have that could maybe be relevant are Musashi, Vanguard and Perseus

[atomic abyss]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

15-4 collection
0. http://renhex.github.io/alft/81 standard fleets. First fleet could do boss 1 and 3, or give it to the second fleet.

1. http://renhex.github.io/alft/59 if you're tired of seeing Musashi Guam laffii fleets...this wins with half tech/cats. Chapter 15 isn't that hard, have correct gear and ship roles covered. Second fleet needs to do boss 1 and 3.
2. https://renhex.github.io/alft/98 3 starring fleets that may or may not work on lethal depending on whether your account is actually good. Musashi fleet does all mobs and boss 1+3, and the crossfleet fleet does boss 2 only. Prioritize 2 support Large Air Formations > Boss 1 > Large Main Fleets when having ammo. Save your full ammo node to use on two Reconnaissance Fleets and Boss 3 for last.
3. Shimanto > Ply, Yorkii > Enterprise, bb aux guns can both be 155.
4. Full flapjack on support carriers is best, but skyrocket and fw190a5 are cheaper and also good. For surface fleets, flapjacks are best, followed by tigercat/pirateCorsair/seahornet. Prioritize flapjacks for surface fleets.
5. #gameplay-help message read this. These fleets should have 99%+ win rate with medium-high cats and tech. Expect your win rate to be slightly lower. If you don't have Guam/laffii, much lower.
6. #gameplay-help message on submarine timing. Early subs = dead subs
7. #gameplay-help message choose support carriers with good fighters
8. Avoid Large/Medium Main Fleets. If you're 3 starring, use Shimanto and never fight them out of ammo.

By suchiguma

[atomic abyss]

^could refer to this message above

[chilly birch]

Didn't know that was a tag option, thank you!

I'll use them as a basis for my fleets. Instead of Musashi for the mob, would NJ or Soyuz be better? (Don't have Musashi)

[opaque yacht]

how do oath skins get released is it random?

[eager mulch]

whenever the devs feel like it

[inland shoal]

Wasn't there some special oath skins for something too?

Some sort of popularity something? Just vaguely recalling something about NJ getting her oath skin like that

[restive escarp]

I got 80 medal and i want to exchange them
I am a newbie so what will be the best value ship?

[inland shoal]

What's your hull types? If you got BB or CV there's Hood or Enty

[restive escarp]

Hull?

I got CL and DD

[inland shoal]

Ah then probably just get gold bulins for now

[restive escarp]

Im short on ships and only have 1 sr

[eager mulch]

you don’t need SR ships tho

an sr ship from CL/DD is definitely not gonna do you much good rn

[restive escarp]

Ok

[viscid swift]

at this point it's pretty much during the 3 main anniverseries

[opaque yacht]

oh when are they

[viscid swift]

late May, August, and September

[opaque yacht]

okayy thanks

[forest palm]

using, "late" there like that doesn't sound right

[viscid swift]

maybe latter half would be more appropriate but details

[forest palm]

except JP Anniversary hits on the early half of the month

[viscid swift]

it's right in the middle more or less

[forest palm]

so it'd be more apt to say middle

[viscid swift]

probably the former, we don't know, no

I rather doubt Shimakaze will be that useful to you, let alone moreso than Shinano or even NJ

[eager mulch]

she is next in line yes

from original UR run order

[viscid swift]

we don't know

WAs and reruns are not consistent date wise, at best I could estimate a quarter in which they'll drop

most of time the rerun order follows the original run order of the events and by extension so does the WA order as it usually follows the rerun order, usually being the key word here

[eager mulch]

we’ve been going off the rails recently

[viscid swift]

just a tad

[sharp token]

which is better? for vanguard comp

[forest palm]

where are you planning to use this

[keen sable]

You get less ur if you refuse to exchange

[main latch]

i dont know where im getting these from should i spend them wisely ?

[elfin hollow]

Yes, you should.

[dawn crest]

I stopped farming Georgia to farm her, so I just need to farm Azuma and Drake to coin up.

[blissful hamlet]

any estimate when is tenrai get added to gear lab?

[viscid swift]

mid to late January next year

[blissful hamlet]

[dawn crest]

Next to the PR7 ships?

[blissful hamlet]

PR7 is july

[viscid swift]

no, I'd expect PR7 around mid July this year

[blissful hamlet]

Nakhimov

[viscid swift]

like here's how the updates for PR generally are scheduled now
new PR season in July, Fate Sims for the last season in August with the EN Anni, Misc(gear to the gear lab, prototype shop updates, new catchups, coining for more ships, possibly 1 DR Fate Sim moving forward) in late January

[dawn crest]

It seems that I need to update the spreadsheet of the golden Retrofit plans, for the PR and DR ships.

[blissful hamlet]

wasn't DR fatesim have no schedule? they add it when they want to add it

[viscid swift]

eh yeah, but I don't think it's a coincidence they added both FDG and Haku's Fate sims in late January with the usual PR updates

all speculation but that's what I believe the schedule will be going forward for DR Fate Sims

[south sequoia]

Yep its random
Fdg got her fs5 on february last year
Drake got hers in the middle of may/april
Azuma got hers in october

[dawn crest]

What's fatesim?

[blissful hamlet]

kid named coincidence

[viscid swift]

to be fair, the Azuma, Drake, and FDG had there's spaced at about 8-month intervals, and then they released Haku's a year FDG

[south sequoia]

Additional lck stats + a skill upgrade

For DRs its 2 skill upgrades

[viscid swift]

but anyway, it wouldn't be the most outlandish thing given that new schedule would mean they're releasing them at an even slower rate than they were before

[blissful hamlet]

the schedule is that there is no schedule

[viscid swift]

that's complete and utter bollox

[normal crane]

Is it better to buy dorm furniture or dorm to increase the dorm space

[eager mulch]

what? with gems?

[normal crane]

With the decor coin thingy

[eager mulch]

max out the size so you can get the second floor

[normal crane]

so there's a second floor, thankies

[eternal moth]

Second floor will have the same number of slots as your first floor BTW

[tawdry sluice]

Yuudachi worth farming for still?

[atomic abyss]

She does have an excellent retrofit
The issue is moreso that getting the retrofit item from the proto shop may not be worth it

[tawdry sluice]

I already have that

[viscid swift]

depends on your options

[tawdry sluice]

I can send a pic of my destroyer options

[viscid swift]

vanguards as a whole not just DDs

[tawdry sluice]

Alright on second, will make a thread for it so I don't spam chat with pics

Vanguard Help

[desert tapir]

So I finally got around to going through the archives for Ply and Brest as there both almost dev 30.... I don't like them. Any chance there's equivalent ships I can use for their rolls in opsi without suffering to much?

[eager mulch]

you don’t need Brest nor ply to do everything in opsi but you’re gonna need to compensate in other places

[desert tapir]

Main story then?

[eager mulch]

you don’t necessarily need either of them as with any other ship in the game

[lethal adder]

Anyone knows how i can craft or get the improved rudder aux?

[eager mulch]

research

[lethal adder]

is the parts like from operation siren?

[eager mulch]

no, it’s from research

as in, research academy

[torpid crystal]

is it better to get sleeper comms as soon as i get them? is there a set time when they appear?

[forest palm]

long coms spawned like 2 hr 53 mins ago, and they disappear on reset which is in about 3 hrs

[grave oak]

What main fleet should i use rn base on what i have? I'm also looking for a map drop ship currently I'm on 3-2

[torpid crystal]

huh

do they always spawn at the exact same time?

[elfin hollow]

Where tf can you get Congnitives at???

[exotic wren]

daily raid, event shops, some one time quests

[viscid swift]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
Give that a read for that info and more

[forest palm]

that they do

[lethal adder]

For the combat data pack am I supposed to convert them into data prototypes?

[frank pulsar]

convert into protocores

[lethal adder]

Then what do I buy in the prototype shop? For the specialised one the ur bulin seems to be the one worth buying

[vale spindle]

Only buy ur bulins as needed

Otherwise its a waste of dock space

[vale spindle]

/protocore check this out

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Prototype_Core_Guide.jpeg

[lethal adder]

Thanks a lot!

[vale spindle]

npnp

[woeful forge]

how much of an improvement is wolfpack (37 81 96) compared to archerfish/albacore/cavalia
trying to decide if it's worth going through the trouble of leveling to replace with how much of a pita leveling subs is

alternatively I also have u-47 half leveled but I don't think slotting her in anywhere is particularly productive

[vale spindle]

Not a significant improvement

Just stick with fish pack until the eventual rainbow sub drops surely

[woeful forge]

aight I guess I'll just chuck them in the dorms and slow level then

[crimson glacier]

if you feel likeit, i doubt you could ever tell a difference

[keen sable]

neither you want flasher

[blissful hamlet]

is new muse event a 2 weeks event?

does muse event have event shop?

coggers

[eternal basalt]

It's an event

[frank pulsar]

how many +13 rockets should i have? i currently have 2 +13 hvar and 3 +13 bf109g

[vale spindle]

that's good enough for now

[frank pulsar]

what about for the future? cuz after im done with planes i need to +13 my mk7

and mk7 +13 prob gonna take a few months

[blissful hamlet]

I usually save my plates enough to +13 a UR gear

[spring scarab]

Can u all help me to a build a boss and a mob fleets pls ?

[frank pulsar]

thats not answering my question

[crisp wadi]

Not all ur worth for +13

[crimson glacier]

where would you use more rockets

[frank pulsar]

make thread and post dock

[spring scarab]

Yep

[frank pulsar]

idk how many +13 i need thats why im asking

[crimson glacier]

how many you need? 0

[spring scarab]

Fleet building

[frank pulsar]

not helpful

[crimson glacier]

might want more but you dont need any

[blissful hamlet]

it's for the future when new UR is worth +13

[crimson glacier]

rockets are niche opsi stuff only, really not that common to be of any real use elsewhere

right now i think my opsi fleet uses 0 rockets

[blissful hamlet]

what's your opsi fleet looks like

[crimson glacier]

shiny

[blissful hamlet]

[crimson glacier]

theres noth ing special in my fleets

[neon finch]

Uh does anyone know how does the recommended icon work for guild operations

[plain saffron]

set by leader iirc

[jaunty vault]

and officers

you never wanna sort by total stats

[steady beacon]

Idt there's a single set answer
I have 5 and 5, but I'm a bit mad

[jaunty vault]

i agree with torva on that

[stable badger]

ugh...why aren't the Muse ships in their own faction? it's so annoying to find new stuff to Upgrade skills with them around

[plain saffron]

because they're not a faction?

like how yorktown II is not in II faction. she's still USS

[stable badger]

they even have skills that require other Muse ships to stack bonuses.

[plain saffron]

yeah but muse is not a faction, just an alter

[stable badger]

in that sense, Royal fortune should be in one of the French factions cuz it "supposedly" was a french pirate ship?

[crimson glacier]

cool

[plain saffron]

she doesn't exist in ww2 or even ww1

tempesta is just a faction of cosplayers

[jaunty vault]

if you wanna complain about the game, go somewhere else like #game-feedback
this conversation doesn't belong here

[stable badger]

fair

[plain saffron]

they're still the same person with different rigging, that's why they keep old faction
META meanwhile is totally different person

[eternal basalt]

But the kids ships are also a different person

[plain saffron]

fuck

you get the idea

[jaunty vault]

[steady beacon]

Easiest way is just go to the muse category on the wiki and cross-check
... I tried to C+P the mu symbol into search function but game isn't having it (or I'm doing it wrong)...

[plain saffron]

iirc wiki is using the other symbol

game use muse, wiki use micro? nano? idk

[jaunty vault]

its mu

[steady beacon]

No, I tried to C+P into the game

[stable badger]

at least the kids, are stuck at Elite level. Muse have SSR ranks too

[steady beacon]

Game uses "mu" for muse as well, does it not

μ - this symbol

[plain saffron]

copy from where

[steady beacon]

Charmap

[plain saffron]

try this

μ

[steady beacon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Category:Muse_ships - here's the wiki page btw

[plain saffron]

also fwiw having muse their own faction is more to a disadvantage

[stable badger]

thing is, i want to fillter them OUT in-game. guess there's the retiring option though...

[plain saffron]

why you want to filter them out

[eternal basalt]

If searching note they use both symbols ingame, unless they fixed it

[steady beacon]

Idt the issue is the symbol, but I can't seem to copy something from outside the emulator into the emulator
... or, at least, I haven't figured out how to

[plain saffron]

like having them their own faction just to filter out them
And make them worse?

[stable badger]

for tactical class for example, if i look at my SSR ships to see which one i can still train, they are always there to confuse me. "oh, there's a lv1 skill to train...its a Muse ship..."

[wind hazel]

this is so stupid

[eternal basalt]

People (like me) like a way to filter out stuff that gives no tech

[plain saffron]

just...don't choose them

[hard mesa]

[atomic abyss]

Or... Just get rid of them

[plain saffron]

also why train all SSR anyway

or you know, train muse too

[atomic abyss]

Like objectively speaking, for an f2p player, there is 0 practical reason to keep let alone raise a muse ship unless they're actually good for gameplay

They don't give any fleet tech after all

[vale spindle]

thats like any ship then

[plain saffron]

some of them actually good for gameplay when they released

[eternal basalt]

In 2020

[plain saffron]

but people compare 2020(?) ships with today so

[atomic abyss]

To be fair
Akagi muse is still fine ig

[vale spindle]

still remember just finishing up roon only for roon muse to come out the next event

[plain saffron]

oh no this 2020 ships is bad. this means muse bad

[atomic abyss]

And you could use gascog muse for Brest/Gascogne/Champy grinds

Roon muse was hilarious tho

Incidentally
How does roon mu compare to say
Adalbert, Heinrich and Carl

[crimson glacier]

roon muse being good at the time just tells about how long it took them to release good frontline ships

[vale spindle]

worse than all 3 but pretty similar to hein overall

[atomic abyss]

Wait, did the rest get MGM+1 lol

[vale spindle]

no all 3 of the p-class cas have 1 mgm

[atomic abyss]

Well that's the one thing Roon mu has going for it I suppose

[crimson glacier]

but thats not useful

[atomic abyss]

Ah right
I'll still need to pull them out for Hinden eventually...

[jaunty vault]

dont think roonM is worse than hein
hein is comparable to portland afterall, damage and tank

[crimson glacier]

pretty sure hein does a lot more dmg

[atomic abyss]

Well torps would inflate hein's damage I guess

[crimson glacier]

and is more tanky too

[jaunty vault]

nvm I was wrong, dmg is about 25% more than portland

[south sequoia]

Heinrich comparable to portland sounds really wrong as someone who has used heinrich

[jaunty vault]

not more tanky if you dont get the IB buff

[vale spindle]

hein is similarly tanky even without the ib buff

ib buff is what puts her slightly ahead yes

[crimson glacier]

heins torps dont inflate anything

[vale spindle]

her damage is significantly higher though

[atomic abyss]

I mean the fact that port kai is the measuring stick is really telling a lot about the state of the game....

[crimson glacier]

portland is outmatched in everything tho

[atomic abyss]

I mean, it would be strange if she wasn't

[crimson glacier]

it just makes sense to measure aganst something that ppl have easy access to

[jaunty vault]

but have you used portland, maxed

[paper lantern]

mlb laffey 2 or kron first? i guess they're both tanky but idk what niches each have

[crimson glacier]

kronk is pretty useless if you have any other CB

[paper lantern]

i have uhh agir, azuma, guam, and unzen

[crimson glacier]

well unzen aint CB but still no reason to invest in kronk

[vale spindle]

i used heinrich, maxed, for my w13 clear boss fleet

[inland shoal]

If that includes skills, no

[paper lantern]

huh guess i was wrong this whole time

[sweet delta]

Does maxed mean 125 200 shiny +13 gun

[south sequoia]

Yas

[vale spindle]

no i was poor so it was lvl 120 triple 283

[sinful elk]

Chat how do i use this

[rapid moth]

Analyze and turn into protocore

[jaunty vault]

click on analyze, unless you wanna use it as exp, which isnt recommended but you can do it from shipyard

[sinful elk]

I don't see a button for putting those in shipyard lab

Or maybe i am blind?

[jaunty vault]

perhaps

[plain saffron]

are you looking at series 1 ships

[jaunty vault]

its a series1 datapack, so it can only be used as PR1 exp feed

[sinful elk]

Oh right nvm i am truly blind 😃

Should I invest in her or nah

[crimson glacier]

right now absolutely not

[icy mountain]

finally done with z23 retro

[sinful elk]

Why though

[icy mountain]

time to retro sara

[crimson glacier]

coz she is like bottom 2 UR BBs, and theres a chance that theres a new UR BB in a month

[sinful elk]

Aight

[sinful elk]

wait what is the next upcoming ur bb, is it a rerun or a whole new ship

[crimson glacier]

i said theres a chance

cn anni is next month and its practically guaranteed to have UR

[slender jackal]

Hello are those boxes in operation siren openable or something? (Those 5 red massive ones)

[vale spindle]

no they are just pillars, usually there are 2 cat nodes around them hidden unless you auto search or use the scan feature

[jaunty vault]

please use the recon order

[slender jackal]

Oh okay I found cat nodes but Pillars seemed suspicious
Thanks

[jaunty vault]

for your own sake

[noble wyvern]

any news on the new ships or no

[frank pulsar]

wait for thurs maint, theres usually a datamine during maint before new stuff is added

[noble wyvern]

hm ok

[worldly pewter]

are u using cubes to do special construction
or do u have alternatives to restock them other than the f2p income ?

[lethal adder]

I saw in the guide that portland is a good tank for mid-late game, do I need to replace her for my san die, roon u and san franc?

[pearl olive]

Is any of these worth working on?

[stable badger]

oh right. they're already bad enough, some people don't want to see them already. Cant get much worse. and like 10 "new" ones are going to be added next event. they don't add anything New. they could've just as easily been skins. looking at Ning hai and Ping hai Idol skins. pretty amazed they weren't made into ships back then. Though, with how useless they are. i guess Yostar didn't want to stain their chinese ships with the Muse. And the retirement doesn't work for me after all. I've been playing since Open Beta, i take pride in having 100% collection~

[whole crypt]

Portland is a budget tank for early to mid game, if you have already invested in Roon Muse and San Francisco they're fine, San Diego is not a tank

[lethal adder]

bruh i even oath and max limit her cuz i remember she was a must pull back then

[whole crypt]

10 what, we're only getting 6 new muse ships, you don't have to pull them if you don't want to

just because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't, you're free to go to #game-feedback

[stable badger]

nope. my collection man. And already did post a message there. i just want them to have their own faction like Tempestas and Metas for filtering

[whole crypt]

retiring the muse ships doesn't change your collection % anyway if you're not going to ever use them
and like I said, just because you don't like muse ships doesn't mean others don't

also muse is not a faction so good luck with that filter

[crisp wadi]

Go to #jp-spring-2024-livestream-discussion this for now

[hard mesa]

i fyou want filter them, go to extra > special. it will only include muse+child version

[stable badger]

yup. dont you think something being shoved down the pipe is not fun? and David's been defending it like it's the Iron blood faction back in 2021~

[whole crypt]

I don't play AL because it's fun so