gameplay-help

[orchid heath]

Oh, I just do PR6 cause I like how they look, thanks for the recommendation though 😄

[open jackal]

i see, thanks

[crisp wadi]

There's some in guild shop I think

[wind hazel]

medal shop one is too expensive to consider

[steady beacon]

2 months is a reasonable estimate in a vacuum, but you do need to account for other URs, including new ones, possibly having priority over NJ (or any other one, for that matter)

[worldly pewter]

have fun with negative progression

[wind hazel]

well it's not negative progression, just not efficient

[worldly pewter]

how much inefficient ? minor medium or heavy ?

[wind hazel]

in long term it's minor

[steady beacon]

Idt it's particularly easily quantifiable ngl

[wind hazel]

i started with pr1 to 2 to 3 and i turn out fine

[south sequoia]

In short term it'd kinda suck since you're skipping over great ships in 4/5 and their gears

Pr6 is good dont get me wrong but it'd be kinda sad to not have haku agir and ply

[worldly pewter]

yeah from the gear perspective alone it is heavy

[wind hazel]

yeah you're just pretty much stunting your progression by a bit, but it's by no mean a "negative" progression

[crisp wadi]

I regret skipping pr 4 too, still tenrailess to this day

[wind hazel]

the game doesn't lock you out of anything without starting at PR4 lol

[worldly pewter]

if someone has 2 good tanks i think it might be bearable

[normal crane]

Is Vanguard better than New Jersey?

[orchid heath]

I’ll do the PR4 next then, I just like the ship so that’s why I go for it, thank for letting me know

[steady beacon]

You will have to specify the context

[open jackal]

is triple carrier with hornet still good?

[worldly pewter]

i was doing pr6 for 2 months when i started
it was pure pain ngl
luckily someone directed me in this chat

[normal crane]

In general use

[undone plover]

u can focus PR4 and "unlock" the PR6 ships whenever u want. they wont be in a usable state but u can keep them in dock or as secretary, etc... when ppl say focus 4 we mean in the research academy.

[inner delta]

hornet isn't really a good carrier, 3 carrier is fine but i prefer 2 + 1 bb

[orchid heath]

Ohhh I see, thanks

[worldly pewter]

holy when i remember this
pure pain

[open jackal]

ah i see, i saw the double airstrike skill, and i thought it's good

[steady beacon]

If we assume "general use" here refers to campaign/progression, I would personally consider NJ more widely applicable and useful than Vanguard, and if I may add that she is arguably easier to use in PvP if you care for that at all, with that in mind I'd prioritise her
On the other hand, in Vanguard's key domain of serious boss fights, her effective damage contribution positively towers over New Jersey

[hard mesa]

are you starting collecting exp or still gathering tech pts?

[orchid heath]

Is Agir a good ship for PR4?

[orchid heath]

Collecting xp

[hard mesa]

ah, ok

[worldly pewter]

wait i was doing series 6 for 3 months ????

[undone plover]

with events + medal shop u get a lot of PR6 BPs tbh so it is not that bad. they also dont have Fate Sim so u need 165*3 less BPs overall.

[wind hazel]

yes, and all of PR4 ships are good ships

except maybe Marco Polo since there's better alternative available like FdG

[orchid heath]

Thanks

[wind hazel]

but still good nevertheless

[worldly pewter]

oh it was faerlein who guided me ty

[orchid heath]

I’ll switch research focus to 4 now, thanks for letting me know ♥️

[kind slate]

Which is overall better? D3 on mirror involution or any stage up to 13-4
Considering coins/exp/gear bps

[normal crane]

Here's my team currently

[steady beacon]

Unless you're grinding the gear BPs, campaign always has better returns in the oil cap stages

Iirc Mirror Involution D3's gold drop is the rudder and the drop rate isn't... too bad iirc? If you're short on rudders it's not completely indefensible to spend a little time there if your other resources are in sufficient order, but if it's coins/exp you want then campaign all the way

[steady beacon]

Well, since Vanguard is already MLB no particular point changing horses midstream if you're just campaign clearing
You shouldn't have issues until one of the higher campaign worlds with a fleet like that

[open jackal]

can someone explain to me in grade school terms, how does catch-up system works? how will i progress, and if completed, will I be able to get the ship?

[steady beacon]

Choose your catchup ship and you will receive bonus blueprints for her whenever you complete a research
You can get a maximum of 150 such bonus prints for each DR (rainbow) ship
And a maximum of 300 between all the PR (gold) ships in a given season
The blueprints are separate to the tasks you must complete to actually obtain/unlock the ship, though

[kind slate]

Also what vanguard ships to raise? w14 rn

[open jackal]

so i will not get the ship yet?

[steady beacon]

Mhm, getting the ship is a separate affair

For that, go to the shipyard and choose the ship you want to complete the tasks for; once you complete the tasks, you can unlock and obtain her

[undone plover]

to get the ship u build them in shipyard. u need tech points to unlock and then do some missions with xp grind being the hardest.

catchup is to get blueprints

[open jackal]

i see, so there is where you get the tech points needed for their research?

[steady beacon]

Tech points are obtained by getting/MLB'ing/raising to Level 120 ships

[open jackal]

and after fully researching them, then you can get the ship?

[undone plover]

blueprints are like LB+enhance for shipyard ships.
u cant use bulins or enhance on them. that is why they will be useless without blueprints.

u can get blueprints in 4 ways
1- research academy (advisable to do the researches from PR4 upward)
2- some older ships (up to PR4) are coinable where u can "buy blueprints" with coin
3- catchup gives u extra BP
4- events/medal shop give general blueprints that u can convert to specific ship blueprints

[steady beacon]

Yep
The task of raising them to the point of usefulness, and ultimately to full strength, is where the blueprints come in

[orchid heath]

I have question, I have some UR limit break characters, Should I use it to limit break an UR to max or should I split it out to my other UR?

[steady beacon]

Ye read what Faerlein said, that's the detail I'm too lazy to write up

[noble wyvern]

what "spring 2024 homeport idol fes" mean?

[open jackal]

i see, thanks for the info

[undone plover]

@open jackal also read this when u can https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research

[steady beacon]

It's the livestream due to start in about half an hour
Which will reveal what the next event will be

[noble wyvern]

oh i see im gonna check it when it starts

[kind slate]

pls

[steady beacon]

As a rule, always bring any ship to MLB first, rather than splitting Bulins between characters. One ship at MLB is vastly preferable to four ships at LB1

[open jackal]

thanks!

[orchid heath]

Tysm, I make a mistake with some at LB1 but I’ll try to max 1 ship out first now

[hexed gulch]

Any way to get back an unbounded account? New player who had tech issues and was told to fully reinstall without getting told about the loss of said account =\ lost some purchases too like the monthly pass

[icy mountain]

musashi is getting a rerun this year correct?

[steady beacon]

Ngl, there are at least a few plausible options... something like Agir/Anchorage/Tai Yuan/Kazagumo/Otto/Yuudachi strike me as the key candidates, but uh... I'm not quite convinced on the wisdom of four DDs necessarily
Kron would be a potential option if she were MLB, but I imagine you don't have the resources to devote to her

[wind hazel]

contact customer support with receipts of your purchase

[undone plover]

laffey 2 the only one that sticks out there for ch14+ imo since she will also help in 15 but she will need UR bulins which u prob should save till we know more about upcoming UR.

shimakaze would be good in 14 but needs 2 UR bulins

shimanto is great but needs series 6 focus but u should finish plymouth first

sandy and poi need spec core which again should go to bulins.

not sure if otto can main tank ch14 mob but worth considering.

[hexed gulch]

Yeah I'm waiting on a response currently too sadly they're the ones who told me to do so as my account was bugged missing weekly quests they just didn't exist. Noticed this was wrong place to post so reposted in the support section

[steady beacon]

We don't know yet, but safer to assume not I'd think
At least until we know when Vanguard reruns

Oh right Poi needs her retro item, completely forgot about that

[worldly pewter]

catchup is free chips to enhance the ship later, it is the same as foddering N for other ships but the shipyard ships use prints
u need over 450 of them so 150 is kinda a respctable amount

[steady beacon]

Went blind on Laffey 2 as well smh
But as Faerlein points out, the bulin problem rears its ugly head for that as well

[orchid heath]

For collecting exp, does main fleet mean back line and vanguard mean first line guys?

[steady beacon]

Yep

[worldly pewter]

will there be another strimm before the cn anni ?

[steady beacon]

There usually is, yes

[orchid heath]

So if I collecting main fleet exp for eagle union, my back line should have full eagle union right?

[undone plover]

a few quirks of the xp grind to be aware of is Large cruisers have main fleet for cdc1 then vanguard for cdc2.
some ships like marco polo and chkalov change the faction ships required for the grind between CDC1 and 2

[steady beacon]

Ideally, and try to arrange your flagship to get MVP if you can

[crisp wadi]

Do w14 need 2 hedgehog?

[trim path]

if not specified as the map goal, is there any point to clearing all escort ships in operation siren?

[orchid heath]

Got it, thanks again

[steady beacon]

You can only have a maximum of 1 Hedgehog in the entire game, sadly

[undone plover]

u can only get 1 hedgehog anyway. and usually 1 hedgehog + asw plane on unicorn is enough

[inner delta]

on -3 and -4 yes

[hard mesa]

itd be cool if theres 2 hedgehog

[crisp wadi]

I thought I can get more than 1

[inner delta]

nah

[undone plover]

u can squeeze out a miniscule amount of xp for free which in the grand scheme of things is not worth.

i forgot the color but the reinforcing fleets in hidden zones dont even give xp so in that case it is absolutely not worth

[hard mesa]

blue one

[icy mountain]

hoping for her to actually drops from what i heard shes very worth it to get

also correct me if im wrong is KMS just ironblood?

[steady beacon]

It is

[icy mountain]

okay thanks

i rlly need a magnetic torpedo now i just need a confirmation on what gold boxes i should buy lol

[steady beacon]

Mag torps drop only from the Iron Blood tech boxes; you want gold+ to fish for the gold quadruple magnetic torps

[icy mountain]

yeah i try to buy ironblood t4 tech boxes only

[steady beacon]

Note that, depending on where you are, it isn't really the end of the world to just use the much more common gold quintuple non-magnetic torpedoes to fill the gaps

[icy mountain]

Its just i spend majority of my gameplay at auto so might as well get the best torpedos for it

[undone plover]

Once you start on opsi the mag torps will be easy to get from gear lab.

[orchid heath]

Anyone have any idea what should I use gold on? I maxed out

[silver vine]

out of ulrich, kron and shinano, who should I mlb first?

[plain saffron]

are all same LB

[undone plover]

Upgrade gear, retrofit, augments, coining ships, research, cats

[silver vine]

yes

[plain saffron]

maxed 600k or soft cap

[orchid heath]

600k

[plain saffron]

time for cat rng

[harsh cargo]

Is this the event with the best Buster NP CE? If so, what's the CE's name?

[inner delta]

what

[jaunty vault]

have no idea what you're talking about

[trim path]

what items should/should i not buy in operation siren port shops?

[inner delta]

i think he missed the part where this server is called azurlane and not FGO

[jaunty vault]

yuki plays FGO

[crisp wadi]

Blud think we need craft essence for shipsgirl

[inner delta]

you can buy the maps first

[jaunty vault]

buy everything if you not unlocked opsi monthly reset
if unlocked reset buy what yuki said and all the UR stuff+gold T4plates
anything else depends on how much you have in stock/whether youre a hoarder or not

[small fern]

Is this gun good

[inner delta]

it's a fine gun

[harsh cargo]

Damn I was found out

[trim path]

just unlocked the monthly reset thing, are maps the loggers?

[jaunty vault]

ye

[small fern]

Should i build prinz eugen later-

[trim path]

oke, ty

[inner delta]

i mean "later" if you have a lot of spares sure? but not for awhile

[small fern]

Much later im sticking to portland for a good while

[inner delta]

yes

[trim path]

very minor thing but in the item description of 'Classified Files Mission Logger' X6 and X7, 'to new zones where', is written together (tonew zoneswhere). don't know if it's client or server

do i report that in bugs?

[jaunty vault]

if you wanna

[trim path]

i'll do that just in case i suppose

[jaunty vault]

but as you said, its a "very minor thing", god knows when or if it'll be taken upon to be fixed

[plain saffron]

they still haven't fix the desc not being full

[cobalt rapids]

nano>wait>=ulrich

[blazing shale]

For Kron's 2nd skill, does the secondary gun have to be NP or can it be any equipment slot?

[jaunty vault]

did you ping them cause its been a while

[jaunty vault]

latter

[small fern]

I should wait for my enterprise to get to level 70 then limit break her right

[plain saffron]

LB asap

they gives a large boost

[blazing shale]

Is there a good NP aux/aa gun that Kron could equip? Haven't found any

[jaunty vault]

just equip her own main gain

other notable options are chapayev gun and https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Ocean_Soul_Camouflage

[hard mesa]

aa gun

[noble wyvern]

[worldly pewter]

gear upgrade and ship awaken will eat most of the gold

[noble wyvern]

also should i develop saint louis (i got the req forgot that i complete it) while try to get anchorage but need 661 eagle points (have no clue how to get it) or dont?

then how to get 661 eagle point? (i have no clue on how to get eagle point )

[steady beacon]

Get and raise USS ships
You can get a fair few from uh... guild shop iirc

Also they're kinda everywhere so you should get a fair few just drop from campaign as well

[noble wyvern]

USS?

[steady beacon]

Eagle Union
The American ships

[noble wyvern]

oh

[noble wyvern]

do i raise the lvl or enhance them to get eagle point?

[steady beacon]

You get tech points for just getting your first copy; thereafter, you can get more by max limit breaking them
Finally, you can get tech points by bringing them to Level 120 but that's probably the most difficult source of tech points

[noble wyvern]

also should i buy kiev? (8,1k crsytal sample)

[noble wyvern]

then do i lb the common or rare? with dupe or bulin?

[steady beacon]

Dupes preferable if you have other needs for the purple bulins... so will depend on your resource situation
As for Kiev... did you already get the gold gun from the shop?

[keen sable]

Acquire, mlb, 120

[noble wyvern]

alr did get gold gun (i have reached the 15k milestone! )

[steady beacon]

Excellent, then... might as well get Kiev

[noble wyvern]

[noble wyvern]

and replace someone with kiev immediately?

[steady beacon]

Uh... probably not unless you can get her to MLB without compromising anyone else

[noble wyvern]

what is the material do i need to mlb her? also i need exp data pack to lvl her to 70 quickly?

[steady beacon]

I'm assuming you have no extra copies of Kiev, so gold bulins... which are quite a precious resource early on, so you shouldn't go around just using them willy-nilly

[keen sable]

Gold bulins and hold

[mellow cape]

Note that the XP pack is primarily for passive/power level a specific ship you want to use right now, 90% of the time you'll be sending them into combat to gain XP. All ships gain the same amount of base XP that's multiplied by modifiers:

1. Ships in the flagship position receive 1.5x more XP than the rest
2. MVP doubles the XP that ship gains, it also doubles the affection points gained
3. High morale (>120) will let them gain 20% more XP in combat
4. Certain events like the Phase 1 for the Call of Arms which allow some ships to gain the same bonus as above
5. Some ships like Langley/Houshou/Amazon and Yuubari have a skill that gives themselves and fellow corresponding ship types to gather bonus XP

So yeah, a lot of the times ship XP is gained through combat but also from dormitory, commissions, PvP, Operation Siren and in events. Note that the Lecture Hall, the place you'll generate T1 XP packs does NOT steal XP for ships in combat, it actually generates on its own based on the percentage of the ship XP gained from fully limit broken, level 100 ships

Ex: That fleet gains 10k XP total and the Lecture Hall have a 20% profefficiency rate, the Hall will generate 2000 XP on its own and store it while the fleet gets the 10k XP intact

[warm flax]

are past cn annivs really that long

3 weeks

[steady beacon]

From memory, yes
Both CN and JP anniversaries are usually 3 weeks for... exams I am told

[noble wyvern]

soo many text-

[mellow cape]

I have a copy and paste exert just for exp packs lol

[noble wyvern]

i have 5 gold

[mellow cape]

[noble wyvern]

[keen sable]

Excellent. Keep saving them for someone great.

[noble wyvern]

like kron? oh wait forgot kron isnt a ur

but who should i use gold bulin on? (dont know what good ur in my mind)

[keen sable]

Someone great...ie not kiev

[noble wyvern]

volga?

[steady beacon]

You will have to make a judgment call, based on what other SR ships you have that might receive priority instead
Should note that Kiev is fine enough, but it's not like there aren't other ships that can approximate or exceed her role, which often don't even require gold bulins, which is why you should at least think carefully as to whether you want to invest in her

[undone plover]

u will get enterprise/hood from rookie missions soon. also next month new medal rotation so also could be good options there (hood/enty)

[keen sable]

Yes Volga is great, superb, meta

[noble wyvern]

well im kinda a begginer soo dont know

[blazing shale]

what do your fleets look like for the hard stages in w13? I just tried to sortie there with AA focused fleets for 3 star lethal but even then they barely finished the mobs & boss

[noble wyvern]

oh is it hard for the rookie mission one? if so then i guess ill wait for medal rotation

[steady beacon]

Volga over Kiev can be quite easily agreed upon
Volga is a great ship

[normal crane]

U need to reach lvl 60 to get enterprise

[noble wyvern]

well someone said that kron is better then volga but i should lvl kron in the dorm for some time

[keen sable]

They were wrong

[noble wyvern]

20 lvl more?-

[noble wyvern]

soo when i should use kron then?

[normal crane]

Yah, also campaign lvl gate, needs lvl 60 to unlock campaign 8

[steady beacon]

Eh, comparing Volga and Kron on performance is a little bit silly given that their roles don't even overlap
From a resource standpoint, the issue is you probably don't have the UR bulins needed to MLB Kron
And any you do have should be saved for the moment

[keen sable]

They don't even compete for bulins or fleet space as you already noted

[undone plover]

u need 7-1 for final rookie mission which is level 50 commander

[keen sable]

You also need laffey not kiev

Which just makes kiev even worse

[noble wyvern]

i think i could try reaching at 7-1? idk

[noble wyvern]

soo z23 is the worst option to choose?

[keen sable]

Z23 is fine/great for meta progression

[undone plover]

if u wanted to use Kron u need to use your very limited UR bulins.
there is an upcoming UR event in May (most likely) with probably a better UR than Kron since she isnt that great to begin with. save for that event and forget kron for now

[noble wyvern]

i got only one special bulin

[undone plover]

i think i heard ppl say z23 is the best. but most starters are the same anwyway so dw. she is the best option for KMS tech anyway

[steady beacon]

Any of the three starters (Laffey, Z23, Javelin) is fine because you want to use and raise them in order to complete the rookie missions

[undone plover]

u will get more. u will have enough for one UR by then but not if u waste it on kron

[keen sable]

Play more

[eternal moth]

Shinano-chan coming!

[noble wyvern]

while on the journey to 7-1 (or close) do i just go straight to boss or get all of the stage to 3*?

[undone plover]

u will be commander level gated at some point probably so might as well just 3 star them

[noble wyvern]

shinano?

[keen sable]

You want gems thereby necessitating 3*

[mellow cape]

Op cv

[undone plover]

plus u will need the gems for dorm and dock space

[noble wyvern]

hm ok

[normal crane]

It sucks that still need lvl 60 to unlock the daily stages to get cognitive chips

[blazing shale]

Which fleets do you clear w13 hard stages with

[noble wyvern]

i have 700 gems rn (spent some to unlock 3rd dorm slot)

[undone plover]

also try and push the hard maps as fast as u can using this tip
there is a triple core event right now so the higher u can farm hard mode the better.

to elaborate u dont need to do this to push the hard mode maps. but my point is dont waste attempts trying to 3 star them. if u want to 3 star cuz of the retro BPs use this tip. if not just push and farm highest u can.

[noble wyvern]

[steady beacon]

Well, you can probably get away with whatever you used to clear W13 with
Or better, if you have them ofc
It goes without saying that you want to bring AA

[normal crane]

Im also still lvl 58 still taking my time here

[noble wyvern]

idk what does it mean by "if you do not see mobs upon entry"

[steady beacon]

Quite literally that, if you enter a hard mode stage on clearing mode, no mobs will spawn

[noble wyvern]

why does the mob not spawn when clearing mode?

[keen sable]

There's no reason to rush HM like that I think. And it wastes oil because that's very inefficient 3*

[warm flax]

what's an efficient 3 star

[undone plover]

yeah i meant push hard mode and dont waste attempts to 3 star. especially now with 3x event.

[inland shoal]

? It improves your core/oil ratio, what else is there to care about with HM

[keen sable]

You can just skip and push for core data

[steady beacon]

... Well, my theory is that it's to make one's daily clears of hard mode easier, but I have no hard proof of that fact

[eternal moth]

In hard mode it doesn't

[undone plover]

yeah but as a beginner u might need the retro BPs from the 3x missions so it helps if they are needed.

[inland shoal]

Well sure, but then you don't get the cog chips or retro prints from 3* missions

[blazing shale]

I'm guessing musashi & unzen get replaced here? Actually the whole boss main fleet but idk who'd fit

[keen sable]

You don't need to kill all mobs for 3rd star. Just clear and smash boss once

[hard mesa]

shina haku with fighter?

[silver lintel]

Try guam sandy ancho

[undone plover]

that is true but it wastes 1 more attempt. i guess it depends how easy u can beat it with out of ammo

[steady beacon]

Uh... honestly... I think that's fine?

[slender heart]

I'll go Mushashi-Yorktown II-Implacable

[keen sable]

You're cl gated. If you wait until cl142 to do HM

[steady beacon]

I'd think that would curbstomp the stages, only thing I'd try is make the ACV

I mean, I definitely brought worse when clearing W13 Hard myself

[hard mesa]

you need kill a number of mob to get star. clearing mode doesnt spawn mob, prevent this star. that method is good to preserve attempts

[undone plover]

well to be fair there is 2 tips in that method. one of them at least u should do which is turn clearing mode off and dont fight the boss. the other one is debatable i agree

[blazing shale]

ACV = AVI? or is that the air control from your CV's fighters?

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki airspace control

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Airspace_Control
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Airspace_Control_Value

Apr 19, 2024, 1:18 PM

[inland shoal]

You mean killing the boss in clearing mode counts for 3rd star?

[steady beacon]

Simpler to read that than for me to try and explain (and probably get a detail or two wrong)

[keen sable]

Was reminded of this the hard way in 13-4H Lethal 3* race

[versed elk]

[inland shoal]

Hmm yeah ig I meant to say cores / day improves by doing that stuff at the cost of oil

[frank pulsar]

this muse event should be the last new event before cn anni right?

[crimson glacier]

maybe

[jaunty vault]

we shouldnt get any more major events atleast

[noble wyvern]

BP you mean z23 or no?

[undone plover]

i meant retrofit blueprints. u want to prioritize unicorn first

[noble wyvern]

oh- guess i shouldn't have focus on z23 to be modernize

[undone plover]

well they dont share the same blueprints so it is fine. but if u had to get one remember unicorn is a higher priority

[mellow cape]

Unicorn makes your mob fleet and auto clearing that much less painful

[noble wyvern]

ooh

[noble wyvern]

well i just look at newbie tips and remember that z23 need to retrofit as possible,soo didnt know i should focus on unicorn first

[undone plover]

if u are limit breaking and using the right ships+gear then u are doing fine.
us telling u to focus unicorn first is just to min/max more. that is why i dont think they write that in those guides.

[keen sable]

Is unicorn L85? If not then it doesn't really matter

[noble wyvern]

not even close- 63

[noble wyvern]

i dont know what gear is good for specific ships

[tame orchid]

I wish I knew this earlier

Spent 3hours grinding, ugh

[noble wyvern]

guess ill just use some exp data pack to lvl unicorn 7 more times

[noble wyvern]

is it a bad thing bc you doubting?

[steady beacon]

You're not really obliged to rush her

[noble wyvern]

hm ok then

[steady beacon]

Depending on where you are at campaign, she performs fine enough until you naturally get her to the level where retro is possible

[keen sable]

Are you unable to progress and not commander level gated?

[undone plover]

u can check this site for individual ship recommendations. but please read the descriptions of the gear.
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/cv?ship=unicorn
or check sam's guide
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/equipment

[noble wyvern]

ive been doing the rerun event and didnt do some campaign now im doing it rn bc no event

at 4-2 rn bc people suggest i should 3* on everything

[undone plover]

if u can farm/push with your current fleet there is no need to use xp pack on them.
save it for later when u want to raise a second fleet.

[steady beacon]

Ye dw about rushing the retros at 4-2 lol

It's more you want to keep in mind your retrofit priority order for when you do get around to being able to retro there

[lean warren]

which torpedos are better for agir?

[keen sable]

Just save. You don't need such opness for 4-2

[steady beacon]

Depends on who you're trying to sync with

[noble wyvern]

hm ok

[keen sable]

Something mag that meets the timing you want. Usually triple or quad

[worldly pewter]

boys i m using this aa on guam but the reload is kinda very low so she basically doesn't do any damage to the planes in ch13
i have 2 regular bofors on the other 2

[steady beacon]

... She doesn't do any damage to planes?
I get slow, sure, but not doing any damage...?

[worldly pewter]

yeah everytime my main fleet survives at 10% hp only boss fight

the planes just crushes everything

[crimson glacier]

that gun really aint that slow

[inland shoal]

Well you want high alpha damage on your AA carry so that gun is one of the best already

[worldly pewter]

then something is going wrong here

she is missing the last ★ is that affecting her aa much ?

[crimson glacier]

maybe your other ships have bad AA guns or you dont use carriers

well you can see how much stats she gets from limit break on the limit break page

[worldly pewter]

yeah it is a BB main fleet

[crimson glacier]

3 BBs? thats just bad on w13

[worldly pewter]

oh really

[crimson glacier]

also without max stars guam wont get any fleet tech

[steady beacon]

Def bring some CVs

[undone plover]

with 3 BB your ACV is definitely not green.

[worldly pewter]

the CVs im using just for mobbing
i don't have extra ones

[steady beacon]

I'd consider training more CVs before tackling W13 then
There isn't any especial incentive to rush

[undone plover]

if u lack CVs get indep and retrofit her. she is fine up to ch14 (maybe even 15 idk)

[worldly pewter]

i m using her with enty and unicorn in mobbing

well these are my only CVs for now

[silk sphinx]

Was there any info in the stream about future not-muse events?

[steady beacon]

Uh... who do we easily have available as good CV
Sara I suppose

[undone plover]

yeah u can get saratoga. did u pull volga?

[silk sphinx]

You’re best off just looking at their dock not guessing who they have…

[worldly pewter]

i forgot i had sara

[steady beacon]

Future events, not as far as I noticed at least... did rehash the QOL updates that were mentioned by CN after the Anson debacle

[silk sphinx]

Oh QOL. I’ll have to check later if someone summarized them

[steady beacon]

Mainly the separate meta dock and "archiving" of cruise pass
Other stuff mostly cosmetic

Oh the mail rework

[silk sphinx]

I looked at the pictures just wondered if there was anything outside of that. Thank you pilica

All things I’ve heard of previously then. Thanks

[worldly pewter]

yeah she is missing the last ★

[undone plover]

can put sara in boss with enty. and move a BB to mob.

[steady beacon]

Volga is nice to raise, but obv Level 32 is a long way to be usable in W13

[silk sphinx]

W13 you should be able to get supremacy with four cvs right?. Yeah just indep and unicorn on mob, the other two on boss and you’re done

Do verify your aa setup and vanguard, w13 isn’t that challenging if you’re prepared

[steady beacon]

The worst is yet to come

[spring scarab]

Just seen the new ship "shinano chan" is she obtained just like Little Cheshire in the event??

[steady beacon]

Imaginably so, yes
All the recent little ships have had the same basic acquisition method (trust system)

[viscid swift]

Probably

[silk sphinx]

Just not confirmed

[spring scarab]

That's great atleast I will get the little version of shinano 🤧

[silk sphinx]

But should be easy to get

[worldly pewter]

will do once i settle the deal with this abominable ijn tech

i need 10 gold bulin and the next 2 will put into volga

[steady beacon]

Uh... if you're MLB'ing for tech, don't just throw gold bulins down the drain on ships you're not going to use...

[small fern]

is sacrificing 2 gold bulins a good idea to limitbreak enterprise

[wind hazel]

good

[small fern]

max limit broken

[worldly pewter]

i don't have a choice

[steady beacon]

Have you really exhausted the entire stock of other IJN ships that could be MLB'd without spending gold bulins

[thin anvil]

300 gems should I spend it on base infrastructures or cubes?

[undone plover]

Only use gems for dorm 3rd slot + second floor then dockspace.

[whole crypt]

more rather what's the rush with IJN tech

[wind hazel]

have you gotten the PR IJN from pr1-2?

[elfin hollow]

is rodney meta good for mob fleet W15 or are there better options?

[wind hazel]

surely there are a lot of better options than rodney meta for w15

[atomic abyss]

Given this is w15, you're limited in the number of BBs you can run in fleets

[whole crypt]

there are definitely better options but I wouldn't say she won't work

[atomic abyss]

And rod meta is extremely far from being top pick

[whole crypt]

the question is why the heck would you want to use her for 15

[steady beacon]

I'd phrase it more that if RodM is your absolute best option then you might want to hold off on W15 for a little bit

[atomic abyss]

That's fair yes

[elfin hollow]

alright, kindly appreciated. I wanted to try going off meta a little and try something new, but you’re not wrong about there being better picks

[worldly pewter]

not yet i m doing ibuki now
almost done
izumo is next
although it is -2 dockspace but i can take the sacrifice

[exotic wren]

Is Kronk's secondary a statstick only or does it actually shoot well

[whole crypt]

there's very little reason to go off meta for ch15 unless you just want to try memes out, in which case the best way to find out is to try

[undone plover]

Are you trying to get haku?

[wind hazel]

probably is yeah

[exotic wren]

Quad 152 itis

[wind hazel]

i remember i was lacking ijn tech for haku too back then

[atomic abyss]

W15 isn't "easy" enough that you can go too far off meta

I mean you probably could but then the rest of your comp would have to hard carry

[elfin hollow]

seems reasonable. thanks a million again

[steady beacon]

Just make sure, of course, that you have fulfilled her NP equipment requirement somewhere, since that gives the +45% efficiency to her secondary gun slot

[whole crypt]

Kronshtadt gun

[steady beacon]

Presumably, but I've had my share of derp moments in the past forgetting faction eq reqs on Yorktown and Hakuryuu so

[worldly pewter]

yorktown is a tech ship ?

[whole crypt]

Yorktown II wants a USS plane

[rapid moth]

Equipment. Not tech.

[undone plover]

Wouldnt u perma run one of tenrai/saiun/ryuusei on haku?
What loadout were you cooking with?

[steady beacon]

I usually run Ju-87 in Haku's 3rd slot, so I once walked into an anti-med fight with Bf109G/Skyraider/Ju-87 and wondered why, even though Haku effortlessly killed and MVP'd, her damage was lower than I was expecting

Such is the power of Hakuryuu, though, you can forget that and she still murders

[worldly pewter]

what is the difference between cv and cvl ?

[cobalt rapids]

hm reqs
but usually cvls have less planes than cvs and they sometimes have aa mounts
functionally they are the same, same as bbs and bcs

[undone plover]

And then u have indep with 8 planes and higher efficiencies than most CVs

[left cedar]

so Eugen copium about her being better than portland its about to beggining again ?

[viscid swift]

well, we'll see

[atomic abyss]

Well.....

[cobalt rapids]

it never left

[atomic abyss]

Here's the thing

Eugen is actually tankier at 120 iirc...

[viscid swift]

she is but let's not go down that rabit hole

[atomic abyss]

Yeah lol

[viscid swift]

anyway moot point cause Eugen Muse will be a thing soon, and she's an SR

[atomic abyss]

Big oof

[whole crypt]

no bossing gear is "permanent"

it's only permanent if the ship gets taken off first line and just keeps doing the same shit

[undone plover]

Tenrai isnt really bossing but yeah badly phrased sry

[atomic abyss]

Also is that noshiro muse lmao

[viscid swift]

yes Noshiro, Formidable, Eugen, Kongo, Boise, and Le Temeraie Muse or however you spell it

[steady beacon]

Well, if you're not going for timing, it still takes your DB slot on whoever is left with DB-only slots that aren't occupied with the Skyraider, as well as for anti-heavy ofc

[left cedar]

iirc, Eugen is one of the tankiest Tankers ships nowadays, but the cost and return its quite low ...
my point about its more like, if she keeps as OG Eugen Tank and a better DPS output like almost triple as OG ... the debate about Eugen >> Port it will start fiercy as is 3~5y ago

[undone plover]

What are some easily available early game tanks? Outside of portland ofc. By the time u need to start second fleet ~ch 9 would eugen be a good second fleet tank to recc? Considering she also gives kms tech?

[cobalt rapids]

what was that about the 3D dorm I saw MTL tentative was it translated correctly or its still in the air if they will implement it ? (even tho now its the 2nd time they announce it)

[steady beacon]

I took it to mean it may not look like the preview in the end

[cobalt rapids]

naruhodo

[viscid swift]

Eugen is tankier than Azuma without VH according to mebot but here's the thing. Eugen's job is only really useful early game and in that Portland is just so much more cost effective.

I don't think Portland is that great in isolation of her performance but she's just so cheap, that's why she will prety much always be preffered over Eugen and a lot of other tanks you can get early game.

[left cedar]

Eugen cost Gold Bullins as the time u reach W9~ u still be in the gold bullins hell to MLB some others ships that can be ALOT MORE usefull as for EX: Enty, Hood ...

[atomic abyss]

Just call her le temmie heh

[atomic abyss]

This pretty much

It's the opportunity cost again

[mellow cape]

Any of the new SSR ships looking good?

[worldly pewter]

usually on strimm they say the minimal info about them

[inner delta]

wait for their skill to actually be known

[viscid swift]

we literally know nothing about them

[misty tree]

New SSR?

[whole crypt]

why MTL just look for someone who understand what they said on stream

[mellow cape]

I got this notification loll

[wind hazel]

wtf ultra datamine

[viscid swift]

that's probably what they said on stream

[whole crypt]

what datamine that's just stream announcements

[viscid swift]

but that's still not enough information to form any opinion on how good or bad they are

[cobalt rapids]

Thats why i asked

[mellow cape]

Ah I see, I hope it's worth pulling

If not, I'll wait till anni

[whole crypt]

Shinano-chan shouldn't be gacha anyway

[hard mesa]

I guess not all stuff announced on stream will be implemented next week?

[stark quiver]

so 6 new ships this event? gacha

[viscid swift]

pretty much

[whole crypt]

checking stream just got home, I'm guessing next week is only up to the skins

[viscid swift]

should be, they also rehashed some of the updates CN released shortly after the incident with the ship that shall not be mentioned

[stark quiver]

porabbly shouldnt pull for them, but i need collection anyways

[viscid swift]

not much else in terms in game info from the stream

[worldly pewter]

formidable needs 3 μ to activate her skill

[jaunty vault]

eugen is free

[stark quiver]

so 5 gacha , nice, less cubes to throw

[viscid swift]

4 gacha

milestone ship as per usual

[stark quiver]

6 new ships including little nano yea?

[wind hazel]

exclude

[viscid swift]

7 including her

[whole crypt]

Shinano-chan is probably trust farm as usual

[mellow cape]

Any info on event gear ?

[stark quiver]

what now, so 4 gacha, eugen in shop and milestone ship?

[viscid swift]

no, one of the elites is the milestone ship

[whole crypt]

no info on gear but expect unique aux like past muse events

[viscid swift]

they revealed at least one

[whole crypt]

yeh but no idea what that is

[wind hazel]

is that even a gear

[viscid swift]

yep, just that it exists

[sonic flame]

I tried to get an augment module, but I cant because I dont have space. How do I delete common augments?

[whole crypt]

feed augments to other augments

[undone plover]

What was the 20 cube thing? Login prize or JP exclusive stuff?

[viscid swift]

daily login

[worldly pewter]

is it bad for a cv to not have a barrage ?

[whole crypt]

yeh, UI revamp, mailbox, META dock & old cruise pass METAs, 3D dorm all only "coming soon"

Enterprise doesn't have a barrage and she does fine

[steady beacon]

Not necessarily the end of the world, no

[whole crypt]

good carrier good, it's not about the barrage

[steady beacon]

I was gonna use Unicorn as the example, but Enty works

[whole crypt]

bad carrier with a crappy barrage isn't going to be better than a good carrier without one

[atomic abyss]

It's usually the BBs

[worldly pewter]

is there a way to check how many each carrier has planes ?

[atomic abyss]

Not in a straightforward way at least

[whole crypt]

wiki, or the LB tab

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki list by acv

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[atomic abyss]

Only way in game are the LB tabs

[whole crypt]

/wiki list by airspace

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[wispy cosmos]

/wiki combat value

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[whole crypt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Airspace_Control_Value

[forest palm]

[whole crypt]

close enough

[forest palm]

how could you ruin the fun of failure

[worldly pewter]

i didn't understand these combinations of numbers

[whole crypt]

variable slots

[worldly pewter]

for example if u only put fighers and dive bombers
it will count as the first one ?

[whole crypt]

Hakuryuu's base loadout is 3F/4D/2T but the fighter slot can load TBs and the TB slot can load DBs

[worldly pewter]

so it is the second one

[plain saffron]

that's a chart, and the value depends on plane type. so we put every possible combination of haku in the chart

[whole crypt]

that chart's for ACV anyway, might be clearer if you just checked the ship's wiki page

[worldly pewter]

i heard that for boss fights mostly it is torpedo that does the damage and fighers aren't that impactful how far is this accurate ?

[whole crypt]

depends on the boss

[steady beacon]

Rocket fighters are pretty impactful for the fights they are used in

[whole crypt]

like 90% of the game's gearing is "depends"

[worldly pewter]

how can i understand this depends

[plain saffron]

enemy

[soft raft]

gearing is heavily context specific
Are you doing early campaign? late campaign? OpSi? a META Fight? Going against light armor? Medium armor? heavy armor? there's so many factors to take into account

[plain saffron]

for fighter slot
mob/need AA: normal fighter
single target light: HVAR
single target medium: BF-109G

TB slot
mobbing: wyvern or barracuda or any good parallel TB
bossing: converging torp, ryuusei,junker,saiun kai

DB slot:
tenrai >helldiver
skyraider if med/light single target

flex slot
single target light: HVAR
single target medium: BF-109G/ skyraider
single target heavy: converging torp. ryuusei,junker,saiun kai
need AA: normal fighter
mobbing: dive bomber, tenrai, helldiver

but depends on your fleet also

[undone plover]

Could someone remind me.. do ship skills matter for w15 supp fleet?
What about enhancement level of torp/dive bombers?

[steady beacon]

Combination of factors, and you only really learn from experience tbh

[plain saffron]

everything that affect normal fighter intercept except skills

[keen sable]

No, no

[undone plover]

And the fighter intercept reload is independent of torpedo bomber reload right? So a +6 gold cuda wouldnt be bad?

[keen sable]

+0 spearfish minmax

Sorry it's no, no. Thought it was the fighters you were asking

[hard mesa]

Does independence improved plane slot eff. by skilk take effect in w15 support?

[cobalt rapids]

skills dont work

[stable turret]

does doing the higher chapters increase the chance of getting t3 blueprints?

[soft raft]

we have no clue but you should be doing the highest chapter you can anyways because more core data per run the higher you go

[sleek vault]

In world 15, does leveling the support fleet from level 120 to 125 help?

[stable turret]

huh

I wonder what makes drop rates impossible to look into

[soft raft]

/droprate

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Q: What are the drop rates for __?
A: Map drop rates are unknown and cannot be datamined, due to being server-side. The only one known is 0.75% for Akagi/Kaga (individually) on 3-4. Community data collection suggests the other gold ship drop rates are somewhat similar, however.

Q: Then where should I farm for __?
A: Farm the highest map you can for it. Higher stages give more EXP, upgrade parts, equipment, and shop currency. Community data collection suggests the drop rates are also probably higher on higher worlds.

[hard mesa]

Yes, plane aa dmg are affected by level advantage mechanics

[stable turret]

how come akagi and kaga are harder to get than a freaking ur?

[soft raft]

[uneven cave]

Are you really comparing a single run of 3-4 to a single event pull

[stable turret]

Yes

I could play 100 games of 3-4 and still not get either

[soft raft]

RNG just do be like that
Also you shouldnt be grinding there if you havent pushed to at least W9 yet

[stable turret]

and that takes longer than just rolling and drilling

[keen sable]

Because 0.75% is less than 1.2%

[stable turret]

[trim path]

about to get started on friedrich der grose xp, which two + unicorn would be best?

[keen sable]

Bisko, zeppy, broomhilda, and Uber vanguard

[rain vine]

if youre going to run uni, any two main fleet ships that are actually limit broken

[keen sable]

brunhilde for unicorn if you must

[whole crypt]

it isn't, but higher AVI

[trim path]

ok ty

is it worth mlbing anyone for convenience? sitting on 23 gold bulins

[silk sphinx]

What are the options?

[trim path]

here

[silk sphinx]

Only looking at the German ones?, is what I meant

[trim path]

need iron blood main fleet for friedrich der grose

[whole crypt]

what level are planes though, same as node?

[hard mesa]

Really? I read on cn wiki how plane aa works. They works like general dmg. If cv get dmg buff(like ara buff), their plane aa also stronger

[silk sphinx]

You’re not at fleet tech stages so doesn’t rly matter, neither are particularly good and you’re just farming exp

[whole crypt]

let me go check the formula again, might be just mistaking for AA damage

[silk sphinx]

Tirptiz has +2FP over brun’s +1FP ig

[trim path]

gotcha

[whole crypt]

hm plane guns scale like rest of weapon, does the lv advantage take enemy plane lv off node level or what

[silk sphinx]

lvl advantage contributes to intercept dmg

Not sure what exactly you mean though

[opal stream]

they have levels

[granite blaze]

are none of the limited ships in the guild shop notable?

[cobalt rapids]

some are notable

[granite blaze]

nothing to worry about when starting out thhough? I just see the 2 rares and two elites reccomended

[cobalt rapids]

wait limted are the 2k ones? then just tech

[granite blaze]

just tech?

[rain vine]

none of them are worth using

[cobalt rapids]

yea just get the 2 rares and elites reccomended
tech ships refer to ships whose only purpose is to be lvled to 120 for the tech bonuses then not used

[opal stream]

even as tech they are at the bottom of the priority list

[granite blaze]

ohh i see

[cobalt rapids]

yea and expensive

[granite blaze]

okay will get the 4 ships then, ty

[silk sphinx]

Not a single one of the 2K ones have any great tech

The best is something like hit/rld

[worldly pewter]

boys i m having massive skill issues to meat the trp stats for hard 12-2

[cobalt rapids]

oxytorps

[silk sphinx]

Use torp auxes yep

[worldly pewter]

this ?

[silk sphinx]

Oxytorps are something like 1.5k core, just use gold ones

[opal stream]

that boss fleet seems dead

[silk sphinx]

Was 12-2 that hard?

[rain vine]

no cvs on boss seems kinda rough

[turbid nebula]

On the tierlist which gold CB gun is best on Kronschtadt?

[cobalt rapids]

but its 4 rainbows

[silk sphinx]

The gun from her event

[sweet delta]

B-50 Russian gun

[turbid nebula]

Also for current meta should I be using BBs or CVs?

[cobalt rapids]

depends on ur ships

cvs are favoured but u should use ur strongest ships

[atomic abyss]

boss heavily punishes BBs yeah... so CVs assuming levels arent an issue

[worldly pewter]

3 maxed oxytorp this is despairge

[frank pulsar]

is choukai droprate boosted? i just got like 5 of her in the past hour

[viscid swift]

rng

[frank pulsar]

[soft raft]

Have you tried yeeting Guam for another DD

[atomic abyss]

or even a sandy/chesh might push the stat above 2200

[viscid swift]

but don't worry, the law of equivalent exchange says good RNG will be equaled out with bad RNG soon enough

[worldly pewter]

if i yeet guam it is a ggwp go next

[undone plover]

yeet yat sen

[atomic abyss]

yeet yat for laff II?

[hard mesa]

rainbow quit torp

[worldly pewter]

[atomic abyss]

yeahhhh that's an oof

maybe uhhhh

drop uvh or something for owari?
owari has torps right?

if not ig odin?

[soft raft]

yeah Owari has Torp stat
Sam with the rest of the Kii class

[atomic abyss]

so those are alternatives
you might be able to remove an oxy with owari or odin even

@worldly pewter^

[worldly pewter]

yeah i don't have neither

[soft raft]

Do you have Amagi?

[atomic abyss]

or tosa

we really stretching it lol

an alternative for frontline could be like, throw agir on for yat?
could play around with ancho and agir places then

[stark quiver]

Are there any sample 14-4 full auto fleets

[eager mulch]

several

[stark quiver]

Such as? Are there any images?

[eager mulch]

you could probably take the W15 fleets and swap the BB aux guns to 155 kai and it’ll work

[strong veldt]

Does the "Contact" ammo type for the Hedgehog mean anything?

[slender heart]

It's exploded on contact

Which is next to the sub's hull

[strong veldt]

I assume that means the normal charges do a small aoe even if they miss?

[soft raft]

#gameplay-help message
If that doesnt work or you cant get the ships, post your dock in a thread

[slender heart]

The normal charges explodes anyway despite it hits or not. Less effective

[soft raft]

do /w15 in #bot-spam

[sweet delta]

No

[stark quiver]

What’s armor for boss and mob in 14-4

[cobalt kettle]

for operation siren, what do u auto on secured zones if u want gold materials

6?

[sweet delta]

secured corrosion 3 or 5

[cobalt kettle]

o

how many electric components do u guys get a month though if u farm opsi

i was kinda lazy with opsi, mainly just cleared shop for over a year+

[sweet delta]

maybe 100 or more electronics

[static harbor]

How is Hidenburg pre Dev 30?

[cobalt kettle]

is this just dailies or including max oils every week

[sweet delta]

dailies and all opsi activities and AP without oil

[keen sable]

Beyond the specifics mentioned, not really. All asw weapons basically use the same variables like aoe, spread, explosion, etc. Just like in real life though hedgehog has the best aoe, range, and explosion and is far better than any depth charge and is modeled pretty well I would say.

[sweet delta]

what specifics mentioned

[cobalt kettle]

btw for ships like https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/main/cv?ship=shinano. is there any reason why flapjacks is ranked higher than wyvern for fighters slot

[rain vine]

wyvern aint a fighter

[keen sable]

Expand contact

[cobalt kettle]

oh

[sweet delta]

because they consider cost for gear

[vale spindle]

no they just rank fighter > dive > torp for all universal slots pretty sure

[cobalt kettle]

[sweet delta]

no they do

[cobalt kettle]

cause i left my shinano like this since forever

[vale spindle]

what stage is this for

[cobalt kettle]

and most of my other ships

universal i just do my dailies and clear mobs

[tired forum]

felix schultz does not have fate simulation?

[young bluff]

hi does anyone have good fleets for world 13

[sweet delta]

correct

[young bluff]

having a hard time finding a good mob fleet

[rain vine]

post dock in a thread

[keen sable]

#bot-spam /w15

[sweet delta]

i suppose this seems to be true too. It's just inconsistent overall though

[cobalt kettle]

do u just click repeat zone for strategic search auto?

[keen sable]

or lazy

[cobalt kettle]

3 or 5 same thing?

[young bluff]

thanks

[sweet delta]

5 dumps AP faster, while 3 uses more time but gives more drops if you stop for mysterious merchants

[cobalt kettle]

5s it is

[cobalt rapids]

if u cant copy w15 fleets (which id be surprised) then just open a thread

[young bluff]

I'll check it out thankyouu

[cobalt kettle]

wheres picture of this

[cobalt rapids]

in #bot-spam /w15

[cobalt kettle]

i also need to do it, btw can u auto world 15

[sweet delta]

I can auto 15

[cobalt kettle]

cause i played before and at some point they made it so u cant auto 14

[sweet delta]

14 was never not autoable

[keen sable]

January or something

[eager mulch]

I can auto 14

[cobalt kettle]

im getting closer to 100% ship completion, so working on all the farmable ships

i swear it wasnt autoable before

[sweet delta]

How?

[cobalt kettle]

no clue

[fickle scarab]

Back when it first released?

[cobalt kettle]

yeah

[sweet delta]

Auto is available after you clear 1-3

[eager mulch]

can you auto 1-1?

[keen sable]

@cobalt kettle

[cobalt kettle]

[fickle scarab]

After clearing 1-3 yes

[cobalt rapids]

are u guys talking about auto or auto-search

[cobalt kettle]

idk maybe my info was outdated

[fickle scarab]

He said auto

[sweet delta]

I'm talking about auto

[cobalt kettle]

im old

[sweet delta]

Communication issues happen to the best

[fickle scarab]

I don't think there was autosearch back when it first released if that's what you meant

[cobalt kettle]

yeah

[keen sable]

They clearly meant auto search though

[cobalt kettle]

there wasnt autosearch back then

[sweet delta]

It wasn't clear, I thought they meant it was too hard to auto

[cobalt rapids]

well it wasnt clear for me

[cobalt kettle]

wait its been over 2yrs since i started wtf

[keen sable]

Occam's razor

[cobalt kettle]

i joined this server when i started

[sweet delta]

The /w15 fleets might not work on auto search, but they're the best or close to best for manually selecting battles on lethal

[cobalt kettle]

but is it possible to auto

[cobalt rapids]

time to update command with auto fleets

[cobalt kettle]

assuming u have every ship and gear

[sweet delta]

Which auto do you mean this time

[cobalt kettle]

search+auto to farm

[sweet delta]

safe threat is easy

[whole crypt]

if you mean ch14 and 15 autosearch then yes they weren't available on the chapter launch, but the fights could be done auto

I left 15-3 lethal for testing but as it turns out I never quite got around to test anything

[young bluff]

is there anyone i can substitute for shimanto?

[whole crypt]

for? there are other AA carries, and otherwise other competent CLs

[young bluff]

in this fleet

[sweet delta]

Jeanne, ply, and various others

[cobalt rapids]

if this is w13 then it doesnt rly matter

[whole crypt]

is that 15 mobbing
in that case Harbin will probably be fine

[fickle scarab]

Harbin good there if no shimanto

[sweet delta]

Sounds like it's chapter 13 , non-hard

[sweet delta]

You can remove half the fleet and it should still work for 13

[whole crypt]

if 13 nonhard that'll roll over the map even if you replaced Shimanto with a blank

[young bluff]

okai\

[sweet delta]

just remove the correct half

[whole crypt]

just looked like 15 because ASW
ships good for 15 but AA guns look a bit insufficient anyway

[young bluff]

can i use the same fleet for w14? i heard theres new mechanics n stuff

[sweet delta]

Also remove the hedgehog and unicorns asw plane because there aren't enemy subs in 13

[cobalt rapids]

ye just replace sushi 155 with 155kai

[sweet delta]

W15 fleet works for w14, keep the asw for 14-3, 14-4, 15-3, and 15-4

[fickle scarab]

Cl can just equip antisub and it's enough no? Worst case scenario black torps and sub gear on backline

[whole crypt]

the hedgehog is on Laffey that's fine
I'd just prefer something better than twin90 for Laffey but shrug

[young bluff]

is the 2nd fleet with bismarck supposed to be the boss fleet?

[sweet delta]

More rainbow AA equals good yes indeed

[fickle scarab]

More rainbow aa and wyvern good

[elfin hollow]

Da

[sinful void]

I have 30 extra dock space from upgrading in guild tech, if I leave my guild will those extra slots go away?

[young bluff]

thanks everyone

[whole crypt]

ew Vampire META's drain is conditional?

[sinful void]

So hypothetically, technically, can’t you hop those guilds for extra dock space

[atomic abyss]

lol no

[whole crypt]

if you leave your guild you keep your current tech levels
it was never meant to allow you to hop guilds for more tech

[pseudo hearth]

I’m debating between developing Kitakaze, Georgia, Odin, Cheshire, and AvP. Which of these should I start first? I know a lot of people talk about the importance of slows, but I do already have Ark Kai and Impacable for that, so I’m not sure if AvP is still needed asap.

[whole crypt]

whoever you have the most prints for

[pseudo hearth]

Do you mean Research Blueprints or Retrofit Blueprints?

[fickle scarab]

Research prints

[cobalt rapids]

kita georgia and odin are all good tech
cheshy is good aa but better options exist
avp is implac downgrade but sometimes u want 2 implac and u cant use 2 implacs

[pseudo hearth]

The only thing in regards to AvP, is that I do have Ark Royal as my second slow option

[cobalt rapids]

ark is a slower not a freezer and freezes are superior where they matter

[whole crypt]

I'd just go with whichver you can actually put to use soonest
AvP needs to be FS5 to be used for stopping anyway

[jaunty vault]

thing with your list is, avp is the most relevant one, all of the others are pretty much the same level of priority

[eager mulch]

they’re all coinable too

[jaunty vault]

Cheshire might be a good investment depending on what you dont have bur better options exist like ren already said

[pseudo hearth]

AvP has the most Blueprints set aside at 170, with Kitakaze at the second most with 85

[whole crypt]

then yeh go for AvP

[pseudo hearth]

I’ve got Laffey 2, Guam and Sandy Kai

[jaunty vault]

do you have every other research ship

[pseudo hearth]

What?

[jaunty vault]

do you have every other research ship

[pseudo hearth]

Oh, I see

No, there are a few DRs I don’t have, but I just finished grinding a DR, and I prefer spacing them out between PRs since DR grinding is so much more.

As well as some other PRs I don’t have

[jaunty vault]

[whole crypt]

20% isn't really a lot, it kind of depends what ships you have available for the grind
main fleet ships also significantly easier

[pseudo hearth]

I mean, I just have trouble getting it done as quickly as other people, it’ll take me a month or two to do one DR

And using the same team the whole time can be tiresome

[small fern]

What's a dr

[jaunty vault]

Decisive Rarity ship

[viscid swift]

Decisive Rarity, URs from the shipyard

[cobalt rapids]

shipyard rainbows

[jaunty vault]

[small fern]

Ah alr

[pseudo hearth]

I still haven’t moved on from PR4 focus because Haru has been in a pain in the butt to get BPs for. She has like 57 more BP to go before she hits Dev 30.

[jaunty vault]

you aren't an active player i see

[young bluff]

probably dumb qn but is there a way to farm these?

[sweet delta]

@plain saffron is there a collect all button in dorm?

[pseudo hearth]

I am, im just very bad at the game

[cobalt rapids]

farming opsi

[sweet delta]

Standard opsi farming, opsi bosses, and opsi port shops.
You don't need flapjacks for chapter 13

[young bluff]

oh ok.. do i just use F4Us instead?

[jaunty vault]

if you already have them, sure
assuming you mean golds

[cobalt rapids]

hellcats are fine

assuming u mean golds

[young bluff]

yeh d golds

[cobalt rapids]

for affinity and tokens and why are u pinging nagami

[fickle scarab]

Did they give load outs the ability to take gear away from ships yet?

[young bluff]

can i run this fleet with nj instead of monarch? with sandy baltimore in the vanguard instead too

[cobalt rapids]

uh

[eager mulch]

ectl moment

[cobalt rapids]

are u missing like all the ships from before coz they are way stronger ?

[eager mulch]

just make a thread

[young bluff]

oh r they? i thought all d suggested fleets r good enough

[opal stream]

meta

[viscid swift]

they're all very dated, sure they probably work but you can do so much better easily these days

[young bluff]

ooic

[keen sable]

You can 3:1 13-4 Lethal if that's what you want to do. It basically means 2-4 ships can be total junk and you will still succeed

[fickle scarab]

This tema is terrible

[pseudo hearth]

I’m curious since I’m never asked about this, do all CBs tend to be interchangeable between mob and boss fleets? If not, which of them tend to be best used for which?

[fickle scarab]

Don't use it as an example

[sweet delta]

If you're missing these ships, then start a thread and show what ships you have

[young bluff]

[sweet delta]

Assuming you mean. That you have multiple CBs and want to distribute them between two campaign fleets, Brest is better on mob because heal

[fickle scarab]

I can just farm Kron to 120 without bulins right?

[young bluff]

boss fleet halp

[forest palm]

if for just tech, I mean sure

[fickle scarab]

What other reason to raise kron

[pseudo hearth]

Kind of, I’m just curious if they can all be used interchangeably betweeen the two types of fleet with minimal change to performance, or if they individually tend to preform better in one role more so than another (such as Brest being a good Mob Tank).

[viscid swift]

yes you can

[eager mulch]

Are there rammers in W14 boss nodes?

[forest palm]

not if you kill them fast enough

[eager mulch]

i was asking for someone in ectl gph

[astral turret]

Does the UR echange count past 400 if I don't buy a UR ship? Or does it sit there until you trade your points in

[atomic abyss]

the latter

sits there, but counter doesnt increase

[astral turret]

That's so lame. So every roll past that is wasted.

[eternal basalt]

Yes, so redeem them

[thorn tartan]

how many gold bulin do we get per month?

it looks like i have dozens of gold ships which will take a long long time to limit break

[cobalt rapids]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/common_resource#bulins

[eternal basalt]

One a week, plus pvp, plus events, plus 2 a month, plus pass... what I forget EDIT: Ah, one from monthly.

[thorn tartan]

so i can limit break about 1 to 1.5 per month not counting pvp points?

[cobalt rapids]

u get 7 gold bulins per month not countingpvp at all

[thorn tartan]

thank you

[eternal basalt]

That lies, there is one in the pass

[cobalt rapids]

only in the paid version

[thorn tartan]

so i can raise about 2 gold ships per month

[cobalt rapids]

about that yes

[thorn tartan]

I get several per month so they are stacking up

which is fine, not complaining

[cobalt rapids]

im not complaining either

[rose whale]

is pamiat meta stronk?

[cobalt rapids]

non

[rose whale]

thanks

[main latch]

what SR's fill portlands role better?

[cobalt rapids]

anchorage

well no thats false because portlands role is to be an easy accesible cheap tank to help you get through early game with minimal investment and SR and portlands role is then counterintuitive

but if u want portland slightgrades disregarding cost then theres many

[main latch]

Yeah i eventually want to get someone that would be fairly better later on so i asked who could replace her

[eternal moth]

Anchorage then

[keen sable]

FC

[dapper musk]

is this upgrade or sidegrade of agir gun

[sweet delta]

Very small upgrade, could be called sidegrade

[wet prairie]

Nano~chan

So next event should be next maint?

[viscid swift]

yes, on stream they said it would start on the 25th

[wet prairie]

Also what’s formi muse rarity?

[viscid swift]

SR

[sweet delta]

#jp-spring-2024-livestream-discussion

[wet prairie]

Damn an idol event

[terse helm]

For ur bullins would the best order be uvh>guam>shinano>kron

[sweet delta]

Depends on your other URs

[crisp wadi]

Or maybe just wait new UR

[terse helm]

Here’s what I have at the moment (excuse the massive gap, I stopped playing for ~2 years)

[terse helm]

That’s my other consideration, I’m hanging on a new good ur or musashi rerun

[sweet delta]

How many UR bulins can you have right now?

[terse helm]

I have the one from kron event, 6k spec core (but will have 8k by the end of the month) and I’ll soon have the cruise pass bullin

Tldr 2 now, 4 by the end of the month

[sweet delta]

I suppose you can max either Ulrich or Shinano and then wait and see

Ulrich costs one fewer bulin, but you have a lot of BBs already

[crisp wadi]

Personally I'll save until the new UR next month and see how's the ship compare to ur UR right now.

[terse helm]

Sounds good I reckon I’ll go for ulrich, but thanks for the help

*using the cruise bullin and kron event one, that way I still have a few bullins banked from spec core

[round egret]

do i keep this for my ss fleet?

[sweet delta]

Keep your two best different submarine cats

[round egret]

this is my first one so i keep it i guess

anyone else i should keep?

[sweet delta]

Keep the ones that have the potential of being better than your 10 top opsi cats

[round egret]

eeeee

i have a dd cat that gives luck aa and trp, is this good?

[sweet delta]

DD cats aren't very useful in the first place, and then AA sucks and luck is mid

[round egret]

so i look for main fleet cats then?

i have nothing

[delicate fiber]

is there a gear tierlist i can look at

so i dont accidentally scrap good purple gear

[round egret]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[sweet delta]

Don't scrap limited gear and don't scrap very new gear if the guide isn't updated. And you could just put gear on ships you don't use

[round egret]

this is the only one i have that looks slightly usable

+2 acc and 70 hp + 11 fp

[sweet delta]

Pick ones that look usable and use them to level 30, just don't waste coins on resetting talents

[round egret]

you can reset talents?

[crimson glacier]

no rare talents so that cat too is meh

[sweet delta]

You can reset talents that the cat got from level ups

[round egret]

rare talents are those rainbow looking ones?

[crimson glacier]

no

[sweet delta]

But the starting talents at level 1 will always be there

[crimson glacier]

most rainbows are bad

[keen sable]

Where purple cats...

[round egret]

i waited for 10 gold cat to do a multi with them, i never used my cat box b4 that

[crimson glacier]

good rare talents are flame, and the ones that have only 1 level, and are really strong like soulful warrior or alpha wolf or ace something for carriers

[keen sable]

All I can say the best sub support cat is purple

Staff

[round egret]

like this? if no then except 2-3 wolf for my ss fleet i have none

[crimson glacier]

yes but i dont really see that as useful

[round egret]

yeah etoile told me dd cats aren t good

[crimson glacier]

i wouldnt really bother with anything else than backline and subs

[round egret]

just need to wait a day for the next batch of cat and pray the rng gods i guess

in the meanwhile i ll go see if there is a doc about cats talent on the bot spam channel

[worldly pewter]

what about that oscar u got in the pic ?

[round egret]

this?

[worldly pewter]

yes looks like 2 FP skils for BB

[round egret]

1 is fp the other is 3 rld

dunno if 3 rld is good

[worldly pewter]

yeah i think people say it is decent but not better than fp

[round egret]

i have a cat that gives 3 speed if i want to go fast but it just means the ai will run faster into bullets

[worldly pewter]

what about the bishamaru u got there ?

looks like 2 avi skills

[round egret]

10 avi, 3 rld and the sakura fleet boost, mmh could use it on my sakura fleet

[worldly pewter]

rld is good i think

[crimson glacier]

i wouldnt say so

imo reload is only useful for subs

[round egret]

i have a good looking one with hp fp and destiny but third skill is anti sub

[worldly pewter]

imo the bishamaru and oskar are very usable

[vale spindle]

you can feed cats into better cats later anyways

[worldly pewter]

is there exp loss ?

[graceful meteor]

Exp lost kinda bad, but just use whatever you can tbh

iirc 20% loss

[round egret]

[worldly pewter]

20%

when resetting a cat does it restore the skills that it hatches with ?

[graceful meteor]

yea, reroll cat is expensive

[elfin hollow]

What meowafix do I put on opsi

[round egret]

can you do anything with the extra skill points of a cat that already have his skill max lvl?

[crimson glacier]

you can replace a skill

or well first you can use skill points to either level old skills up or pick a new skills, and after you have max skills i think its 5, you can replace old skills with new

[blazing shale]

Are these ships geared properly? Also tenrai soon ™️

Siren ^

[sweet delta]

looks fine against medium boss

[crimson glacier]

is that avp too slow to be useful

[blazing shale]

Well, she kind of desyncs after 2-3 waves

[sweet delta]

it should be fine for 3 strikes

[elfin hollow]

^^

[sweet delta]

with tenrai on yorkii, it'll be good for 4 strikes

[blazing shale]

And the champy gun's better for med compared to the rainbow HE gun right? Because I figured that one's exclusive for light

[sweet delta]

soyuz gun is even better because russian gun for kear

on top of the 8% better med soyuz gun already has

[blazing shale]

Oh wow, okay that's awesome then

[worldly pewter]

the one that synergizes with ur fleets

lime bishamaru oscar antenna are the best ones i think

[crimson glacier]

getting good antenna is like insanely hard

[vale apex]

how does farming Divergent chessboard get you KMS fleet points

[sweet delta]

it drops KMS ships

[vale apex]

which stage do i farm

[sweet delta]

D4

[vale apex]

ok

[sweet delta]

unless you got every ship in D4 already

[keen sable]

Start with two gold

[noble tulip]

15-3 / 15-4 Full Clear comp

[pale girder]

Is there a cooldown between leaving a guild and joining another?

[sweet delta]

it might be 24 hours

[pale girder]

Thx

[sweet delta]

do debuffs not target off-screen enemies?

[elfin hollow]

Iron blood have good for CV?

[eager mulch]

august von parseval

[elfin hollow]

People not use her

[eager mulch]

People use her

[elfin hollow]

Alright ty

[mellow cape]

Avp is the mvp

[split topaz]

So is there an optimal team for stage 14 yet?

[rocky fjord]

stage 14 is old news, 15 is new fad

[rain vine]

when was 14 released, two years ago?

[rocky fjord]

almost 3

[soft raft]

quite alot
depends on what your dock looks like (post it in a thread if you want)

[soft raft]

came out the same year PR4 did

[dawn whale]

How many stages were there when the game originally launched?

[rocky fjord]

6

[split topaz]

I have all the UR and SSR ships, I’m just missing some META and elite ships that don’t really matter

[viscid swift]

/w15

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

15-4 collection
0. http://renhex.github.io/alft/81 standard fleets. First fleet could do boss 1 and 3, or give it to the second fleet.

1. http://renhex.github.io/alft/59 if you're tired of seeing Musashi Guam laffii fleets...this wins with half tech/cats. Chapter 15 isn't that hard, have correct gear and ship roles covered. Second fleet needs to do boss 1 and 3.
2. https://renhex.github.io/alft/98 3 starring fleets that may or may not work on lethal depending on whether your account is actually good. Musashi fleet does all mobs and boss 1+3, and the crossfleet fleet does boss 2 only. Prioritize 2 support Large Air Formations > Boss 1 > Large Main Fleets when having ammo. Save your full ammo node to use on two Reconnaissance Fleets and Boss 3 for last.
3. Shimanto > Ply, Yorkii > Enterprise, bb aux guns can both be 155.
4. Full flapjack on support carriers is best, but skyrocket and fw190a5 are cheaper and also good. For surface fleets, flapjacks are best, followed by tigercat/pirateCorsair/seahornet. Prioritize flapjacks for surface fleets.
5. #gameplay-help message read this. These fleets should have 99%+ win rate with medium-high cats and tech. Expect your win rate to be slightly lower. If you don't have Guam/laffii, much lower.
6. #gameplay-help message on submarine timing. Early subs = dead subs
7. #gameplay-help message choose support carriers with good fighters
8. Avoid Large/Medium Main Fleets. If you're 3 starring, use Shimanto and never fight them out of ammo.

By suchiguma

[viscid swift]

just use the W15 fleets but swap the 155s to 155 Kais on the BBs

[split topaz]

Alright, I’ll try that

[rocky fjord]

those are pretty unrefined messages

[dawn whale]

So do you change your server name for ever upcoming event o

[vale apex]

is 3 starring hard stages important

[soft raft]

you get guaranteed gold retro BPs as rewards for doing so but it's not really a high priority

[sweet delta]

Muse ships don't give tech ||yet ||

[eternal basalt]

Also later stages it gives chips

Also Shinano-chan gives no tech

[left cedar]

yeah, pretty much any loli i retire, that include DD and chan ships

Muse pretty much i retire them all, no tech

Room and TaiM are the i keep it

[noble wyvern]

i got some epic cats and one rare cat rn but idk which one i should use

which cat should i try to get based on their talent and ability?

[crisp wadi]

I don't think you need focus cats early

[blissful hamlet]

[still merlin]

Just want some general tips like should I go double dive bomber on haku and shinano doing less dmg than haku generally?

[viscid swift]

no, yes

[eager mulch]

gear is always situational

[eternal moth]

It depends on what you're fighting

And make those planes +13

[rough vale]

Do you not get Astoria as a reward anymore for getting 3 stars in SP3 Moonlit Overture War Archives?

[silk sphinx]

there are no star rewards for war archives

you'll have to get her through shop

[left cedar]

as a Begginer aoid to focus on cat, but take some time to learn about them, read this one https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Riceist/CatGuide

[eager mulch]

“cat update is a lie”

[left cedar]

iirc they told they it will make a up in cats ... in the end, dont happen

[elfin hollow]

are these the best aux for her?

[grave oak]

Probably a dumb question but i just can't complete this "defeat all enemies" thing am i suppose to defeat the other ship first before the main boss?

[elfin hollow]

and is she supposed to have no augment?

[south sequoia]

pretty much

[south sequoia]

yep, shes the only tempesta without an augment

[south sequoia]

Yes, you need to defeat everything on the map first before the boss spawns

[soft raft]

you also have to do it manually because Auto AI automatically goes for the boss asap

[grave oak]

Is the ships that comes with the boss also counted? I kill the boss too fast though

[south sequoia]

Yep, as I said everything on the map

[elfin hollow]

😭how they gonna do her like that she is as popular as golden hind

[south sequoia]

Only boss should be defeated last, if the boss spawns in with more enemies on the map then just defeat them before killing the boss

[soft raft]

She simply just came out 2 years before the rest of them

[low juniper]

I wish I could see ship evaluations like in #event-faq for every ship

Like they remove the ones there for newer events, why not just keep them there

[eternal moth]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/samvaluation

[low juniper]

Ah

It does exist
Thanks

Weird, Takao is there but not Atago

[sweet delta]

takao was updated recently with an augment

and sam didnt valuate old ships

[novel solstice]

Atago evaluation: slightly worse version of Takao.

[low juniper]

Ah

[sweet delta]

what chapter 15 mechanic may be missing from these notes? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chapter_15#Notes

[dim summit]

what rainbow gear should i have before starting ch15? like ive slowly been collecting rainbow prints for Wyvern #1, but what else besides that