gameplay-help

[cobalt rapids]

so what doesnt make sense

[worldly pewter]

the maint duration

[lavish oar]

jp was up early, it is not yet 2hrs since jp was supposed to be up (And thus when en is supposed to be up)

[jaunty vault]

email support and ask them the question there

[dusk maple]

call to arms always have a story, there's some translation

[jaunty vault]

cause it aint gameplay related

[cobalt rapids]

what call to arms

[lavish oar]

There is a mini event this patch, there is no call to arms

[dawn whale]

I ate the call to arms sorry

[dusk maple]

I meant, I forgot the name lel

[lavish oar]

Still a story though

[whole crypt]

but they screw up the translations anyway

[wispy island]

how does META work i haven't touched the game in a while

[whole crypt]

showdown?

any number of CTA aux that hasn't been archived, but the parallel for mk7 should be quint mag, just a matter of when

[steady beacon]

... but you can build quint mags in the gear lab can't you...?
Or are you suggesting that is what you expect will happen with the Mk 7 as well?

[whole crypt]

the limited shop gear so far have all been non-shop event auxiliaries

the only other piece of gear for reference would be oxytorp, in which case core shop, but not limited but I doubt devs will let us off easy for crafting

[worldly pewter]

boys is there a reason why kazagumo's moral is this low ?

all of the 4 ships i used now in 12-4

[blissful hamlet]

did she died?

[inland shoal]

She died
She's only on first floor
She's not oathed

[blissful hamlet]

oath affect morale?

[jaunty vault]

yes

[uneven cave]

Oath speeds up morale recovery in dorm

[worldly pewter]

i put her in the uh should be the middle spot
lemme check

[jaunty vault]

Oath speeds up morale recovery

[cobalt rapids]

anywhere*

[inland shoal]

It doesn't matter where in the fleet she is

[worldly pewter]

ah i forgot to put her in the middle spot

she was on the left side

and 12-4 still red danger

[blissful hamlet]

she tank

[inland shoal]

How did you notice her dying from her morale and not from her dying

[worldly pewter]

she was tanking

[worldly pewter]

blame auto

[blissful hamlet]

I'm more surprised you can do 12-4 with one dead ship on lethal

[worldly pewter]

they are giga overleveled

i didn't push campaign for 3 months

yeah also i have so many crossfleets and good gear

[jaunty vault]

good for you

[worldly pewter]

i want to go to w14 i wonder if it is good enough

[woeful forge]

how hard should I ration the lv125 limit break chips
I have a returning old account and a bunch of 120 ships with overflow'd xp, not sure how many of these you get on the scale of "lb when hit lv120 cap" to "lb only ships you're absolutely sure you'll use in every fleet"

[undone plover]

If u are leveling backline ships for tech better stay in 12-4. If u are struggling for gold go for 13-4.

[cobalt rapids]

more on the right scale
i lv125 any ship that i dont consider tech fodder

[icy mountain]

is 9-1 okay to farm for xp?

[worldly pewter]

i want gems

[woeful forge]

so about the same as the 100-120 chips, when they were getting introduced?

[cobalt rapids]

im new

[undone plover]

That is fine then. 13 isnt that hard just needs enough aa/carriers. 14 is a bit more difficult and specialized. Try 13 and see how u do

[whole crypt]

125 the main fleet ships you use for "hard" stuff first

[woeful forge]

lmao mostly my 120+shitton of overflow queue is like
over 20 ships
so iunno if I need to be saving chips for new broken DRs or if I just lb as they come

[cobalt rapids]

means enough for 2SR ships per month or 1UR + smth

[undone plover]

If u dont need to uncap from 120 to 125 then just save. It is fine if they stay at 120 for now

[whole crypt]

the priority is basically main damage dealers in challenging content > main tanks in challenging content > other utility ships you'll use in challenging content

which ships to pick first would depend on who you have and what you're pushing for

[woeful forge]

I mean
the only thing at this point is clearing meta raids and the op siren monthly boss faster
and maybe ability to auto w13 hard more consistently, though that's probably down to those still all being on lethal lmao
I guess I'll just lb shinano and reassess later

[worldly pewter]

is there a battle formation that increases eva ?

[whole crypt]

Shinano is a safe one to 125

[eager mulch]

Double line

[whole crypt]

||

[worldly pewter]

oh right reading issues

is there a reason why the sub ships stop attacking even is there is ships in their red range ?
they still have 4 ammo

[steady beacon]

Possibly can't/have not physically gotten to the point of an enemy ship

[worldly pewter]

it is right next to it

[steady beacon]

Can you show a screenshot?

[worldly pewter]

the C tile

[inland shoal]

Cuz that fleet is already ded?

[worldly pewter]

before that

i was moving left and right before hitting that ship and the sub isn't moving so i just went ahead and hit it

[weary gust]

If you have them set to launch a pre-emptive attack (not summon in combat), they can only hit each enemy once.

[eager mulch]

auto call subs off

[inland shoal]

And they hadn't already attacked them before once?

[worldly pewter]

yeah this happened more than once
they reach 4/6 and stop moving

[steady beacon]

... It doesn't look like that ship was in the hunting range, though...?

[worldly pewter]

oh looks like they arent in range

very weird range shaping ngl

[steady beacon]

Some subs have random holes in their hunting pattern, always check when it is important

Heh, nothing as weird as U-410's original pattern tbh
Swiss cheese, that one

[forest palm]

then there's toilet chan

[steady beacon]

No, that one is just funny

[worldly pewter]

there are worse than this ?

[atomic abyss]

At least you can "move" subs now...

[forest palm]

ya that's the biggest plus nowadays

[worldly pewter]

doesn't it cost extra oil for that ?

[atomic abyss]

Ranges effectively became a non issue with the moving

A very tiny amount of oil frankly

[whole crypt]

it costs oil but at least you can get it to where you need it

[forest palm]

U-1206 supposedly exploded because of their toilet, and their hunting range looks like a toilet, that's all you need to know

[atomic abyss]

It was a small qol but so good...

[steady beacon]

Only use it for the cases when you're going to summon them though

As opposed to the passive attacks you are currently using them for

[forest palm]

people need to understand oil doesn't matter if you're trying to clear

[whole crypt]

that's not 1206

[jaunty vault]

heh toilet exploder

[forest palm]

mhm

[steady beacon]

Not quite "explode" but it was a toilet incident nonetheless...

[whole crypt]

that's 37 on hunt mode

[wind hazel]

they are talking about different stuff

[whole crypt]

ah

[cobalt rapids]

yep

[forest palm]

[atomic abyss]

Well and then there's U-522
Who can attack once outside her range kek

[cobalt rapids]

davinki can aswell

[forest palm]

haven't they been actively fixing awkward Hunting Ranges

[atomic abyss]

Then she immediately became irrelevant when they added the range moving thing

Tho for a time she was the final slot in U-boat comps

[cobalt rapids]

still good when ure lvling subs

[whole crypt]

they changed a handful hunt patterns but it's kind of irrelevant because it still depends on sub spawn and enemy node spawn points

[steady beacon]

Ah, is that so
Only one I thought was changed was 410's, interesting

[forest palm]

#al-general

[ocean pilot]

hi, do we have abbr list for alternative gear name?
iirc agir gun is triple 305mm skc/39
sexy bofor is sextuple 40mm bofor etc

so i can learn from that in the future

[plain saffron]

/glossary

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

🔹 General glossary covering commonly used terms
🔹 Equipment nicknames commonly used by players and
Ship nickname guide by Nerezza#7031

[cobalt rapids]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRi32cJUxFgwwSk9EmJ40TPJITLnMD4rFlzODCMtK0XVl7pTGaEy21RRGLWGOtq2Qkb3qRmUa4YTtxS/pubhtml abandoned

[ocean pilot]

oh nice, at least we have it, thanks

[warm flax]

What's the difference between sexy and rainbow french aa gun

[inner delta]

sextuple does more dmg with lower fire rate
rainbow is the reverse there's other stuff too like range and all

[warm flax]

How do the guns select their target

[jaunty vault]

twin57 still has really high alpha damage, sextuple just has more

[jaunty vault]

AA guns?

[warm flax]

Yeah like sextuple which fires 6 at the same time?

[jaunty vault]

AA guns work differently

[warm flax]

Can it split like

3-3 or 4-2

[jaunty vault]

the sum damage of all AA guns from all ships in your fleet(vanguard and main) is taken and distributed through all planes in the AA circle

[steady beacon]

Nah, the twin/triple/quadruple/sextuple for AA guns is completely meaningless from a game mechanics POV

[warm flax]

I see

What happens when two different aa guns are mixed

[jaunty vault]

this

[warm flax]

this

so what happens to the fire rate

[cobalt rapids]

Everything is averaged

[warm flax]

Ohh

[whole crypt]

damage summed
RoF averaged
each shot spread across planes in circle with some rng

[jaunty vault]

minimum damage to one plane 5% of summative damage

[undone plover]

is the new aux worth it even on akagi? which one is higher damage 30 AVI or 12% dmg boost?

[wind hazel]

12% dmg sounds a lot more than 30avi

[whole crypt]

I would say yes, if you actually use Akagi

[undone plover]

[whole crypt]

but... no one really uses her anymore, so

[south sequoia]

If only it could be used on akagi muse

Would be so so much more useful

[whole crypt]

that would help... a little

if you were not picking Akagi because meta, you likely wouldn't be picking muse or -chan either

[plain saffron]

i wish they stop saying "a certain ship"

[late flame]

cope for akagi 2.0 during jp anni maybe

[undone plover]

and I assume chapayev augment is also not that useful since avrora is just better?

[whole crypt]

if game specifies Akagi and not the variants it probably won't work for a II either

[dawn whale]

Pre 1938 Akagi

[whole crypt]

how is Avrora better than Chapayev

[glacial widget]

cuter

[whole crypt]

#al-general this way

[undone plover]

35% damage buff all the time vs 70% chance for 20%buff for 6 sec every 20 sec? idk

[eager mulch]

ok but there’s other factors too??

personal damage? tankiness?

[whole crypt]

Chapayev has her own non-zero DPS compared to Avrora as well and less paper durability

[undone plover]

yeah but if dps is a thing u would just take hindenburg or unzen.... and if u want the buff u would just take avrora no?

[plain saffron]

it checks for tag AkagiOrigin, which they just added to aakagi this patch

[whole crypt]

lol?

[eager mulch]

cool, you found avrora’s niche, now what about 95% of other situations

[plain saffron]

instead of just "Akagi", like Bismarck

so yeah prob intended for her and her only

[viscid swift]

The point is that there's more than just their buffs to take into account, you can't ignore the difference in damage between Chapayev and Avrora to the impact of a fleet nor their eHP

it's not just a straight comparison of which buff is stronger

[whole crypt]

not every vanguard fleet is going to be Hidnenburg/Avrora/Unzen, it depends on what you're using the fleet for

[hollow gust]

Oh hey chapy got a pretty nice buff

[eager mulch]

Aug that’s not useless

[plain saffron]

is this normal?

[hollow gust]

Hey I'm happy with anything at this point , especially after kgv aug

[plain saffron]

wth, it's supposed to be like that

i thought it's bugged

[mighty turtle]

do i keep farming 6.4 till lv 50?

[eager mulch]

If that’s the highest you can do then yes

[plain saffron]

until you can move higherst yes

[mighty turtle]

yeah, chapter 7 need me to be lv 50

[whole crypt]

if fleet strong enough you could try pushing war archives for a stage with oilcap instead and grind there

[mighty turtle]

it's quite hard for me, maybe i need to re arrage my fleet

[eternal pine]

hey people is huan ch'ang good?

[forest palm]

nothing of note

[forest palm]

it can also be a gear issue

[mighty turtle]

it's possible, i just slap any gear on anyone

[forest palm]

that's your problem

gear will always be king in this game

[plain saffron]

i have tens of purple bulins, do i start raising 10 saratogas?

[forest palm]

does this include oathing them

[plain saffron]

hmm

[whole crypt]

125 and oath one page of them

[plain saffron]

21 huh

24 for some phones, less for others

[whole crypt]

does it actually stretch to 8 a row on really wide phones, I've not actually ran the game on full res on my phone

[plain saffron]

i tried some weird aspect ratio and it stretch yes

[whole crypt]

my phone is 20.4:9 but I usually run it on 16:9

[plain saffron]

wha- how

[mighty turtle]

should i change penny with volga or ryuuhou?, i use penny, unicorn and arkhangelsk

[plain saffron]

i would keeep everyone

don't change around until you reach higher stage, lvl advantage is op

[whole crypt]

how is it 20.4 or how to change ratio

[plain saffron]

change

is it built in or you using adb magic

[fiery swan]

Why am I not getting x3 core data

[ivory linden]

It starts tomorrow

[fiery swan]

Ah

[eternal pine]

what SR DD and SR CL should i get from the medal shop?

[whole crypt]

android options > display > app scaling

[eternal pine]

(i have 340 medals for some reason)

[plain saffron]

i guess those are for newer phones

[whole crypt]

I guess

[whole crypt]

you get medals from weekly and retiring excess rare+ ships
none of the DD and CL medal SRs are really prominent for anything in early-mid game

[inland shoal]

DD whatever you need for tech rly
CL Sirius ig just so you have her for later

[whole crypt]

the only DD you'd really take for tech is 46 anyway

[eternal pine]

ok

[jaunty vault]

arent the french DDs in medal shop

they are

[noble wyvern]

the game finnaly come back! also is prince auginz good?

[jaunty vault]

eugen?

[tidal meteor]

If you mean Prinz Eugen, she's mostly only good as a tank, and even then not really the best

[jaunty vault]

slightly better tank than portland but the opportunity cost makes her not worth bulins

[noble wyvern]

oh ok

[tidal meteor]

Do you reckon I could improve my current OpSi fleet?

My dock:

[eternal pine]

hey people is U-101 better than I-58?

[jaunty vault]

improvements can be made but are also not necessary

[tidal meteor]

Still unsure if my swapping out Anchorage for Brest was a good idea for my anti-light armour fleet

[tidal meteor]

...I just realised I could have excluded the URs in the non-UR focused screenshots 🤡

[eternal pine]

b

[plain saffron]

idk

[soft raft]

Probably, but both of them are kinda in the overall submarine meta, esp Japanese submarines

[frank pulsar]

u101 is better yea, but id just wait until you get better subs before investing tbh considering how long it takes to raise one

[sage sluice]

Chapayev augment change her significantly?

[soft raft]

Nah she's still kinda whatever

[sage sluice]

Figured, always kinda hope for a kawakaze level aug tho

[blazing shale]

Does every ship have these stats like HP +2?

[plain saffron]

all except muse and child version and collab

[blazing shale]

Then that's just infinite stats to farm right? Or is it capped?

[silk sphinx]

Inf stats?

[plain saffron]

can't exceed number of ship exist in game

bcs, well can't get stats that doesn't exist

[silk sphinx]

But yes, farming those fleet technology bonuses is what endgame players focus on

[frank pulsar]

its once per ship, meaning you cant repeatedly farm same ship for the same stat

[soft raft]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology

[plain saffron]

click this magical button

[eternal pine]

nice button

[frank pulsar]

i think pointing arrows would be clearer

[blazing shale]

Not saying literally infinite but if every ship rewards them then that's awesome

[plain saffron]

yes

[silk sphinx]

Some bonuses are more useful than others

[frank pulsar]

aside from these yea theres stats from every ship

[plain saffron]

even though some of them are not that useful. and cog chip shortage

[silk sphinx]

But yes it does add up to quite a lot. HP is pretty much the most useless stat though

[blazing shale]

Is there a baseline for a decent amount of bonus stats?

[silk sphinx]

Absolutely worthless in terms of fleet tech. You can check out the wiki page for max but

[plain saffron]

max 1 at a time

[silk sphinx]

For bbs you can add 80fp, cvs 60 avi

[plain saffron]

there's priority list for which one you should do first

can't wait for meta fight so painful that it's impposible to clear then that one guy with maxed HP stats cleared it

[silk sphinx]

You can get rld stat and hit too

Which are very valuable for fleet tech

Its all in the wiki, prio is hit/rld/ double fp/avi

That’s for main fleet by the way

[round hare]

Can someone briefly tell me whats the difference between retro unicorn and Perseus

[silk sphinx]

Mostly, unicorn; 1 preload air strike then carry on as normal with further strikes

Perseus; 2 preloads then massively slowed reload for further strikes

[round hare]

Hmmm so perseus is good for manual mob i assume?

[soft raft]

Uni retro: Has 1 preload that can heal backline
Perseus: Has 2 preloads and each strike can heal the backline but lol enjoy that +90% longer reload time

[silk sphinx]

She’s arguably better for short battles

[soft raft]

Technically outside of W14-15 there's no real difference between the two but Unicorn is avaliable from day 1 while you'd have to cope roll for Perseus

[round hare]

Wait so what makes her EX tier in ECTL

[silk sphinx]

But as it gets longer she’s basically not getting any more air strikes while unicorn can still continue

[soft raft]

her backline healing capability
She was the best healer before Unicorn retro existed

[round hare]

I see

[silk sphinx]

Plus Perseus’ two preloads means that they just might hit nothing after the first one

Also having a healer does make a massive difference

So despite unicorn being flat out better, Perseus is still much more “useful” for “general mobbing” above other options that are not unicorn that she getsEX

[round hare]

I see, thanks for the explanation

Generally would u rather place uni at 1 or 3 slot, (another way top or bottom)

[soft raft]

doesnt really matter as long as she isnt flagship

[whole crypt]

but I use her as flag in OS

[round hare]

fair

[open jackal]

where should i spend my gems at first?

[round hare]

Theres a gem guide

[whole crypt]

dock space, dorm slots, dorm 2/F

[soft raft]

2nd floor of dorm if you grind alot
otherwise purely Dock space with F2P gems

That's the general reccomendation

[open jackal]

should i max the dorm space? I have 3/3 on dorm space, and 450 gems left to spend

[soft raft]

no dont expand dorm slots
at most get the 2nd floor

[whole crypt]

unless you're a very active player 3 slots + 2/F is usually enough, just keep gems for dock space

[soft raft]

dorm slots get pretty pricey on like the last two

[open jackal]

thanks

[round hare]

^

That basically says what u need to do with gems

[open jackal]

so it's not really worth to get another oath ring for 600?

[whole crypt]

it's not worth buying rings at all for F2P unless you really just want to waifu

[open jackal]

are there any other sources for oath rings?

[soft raft]

absolutely not with F2P gems
That's like 30 dock space worth of gems right there

[whole crypt]

usually 1 free each year on anniversary

[soft raft]

you get a free 1 for anniv
only for your server region tho

[open jackal]

where is the are to buy the 2f dorm? i can't seem to see it or im just blind

[whole crypt]

it's not available if you haven't fully expanded the floor space on 1/F

[round hare]

Wym by serv reguon

[whole crypt]

CN/JP/EN(/TW/KR)

[round hare]

So like when did the server started?

[whole crypt]

so EN gets theirs around errr August?

[plain saffron]

16th august

[soft raft]

no like the specific geographical area you're in
So CN region has their own servers
EN region has their own servers
etc etc etc

[round hare]

How do i know if im universal or en tbh

[whole crypt]

there's no universal, if it's English it's EN

[plain saffron]

there's no universal

[round hare]

I mean CN server started at different time at EN does so

[soft raft]

EN is basically everyone that's not in Asia

[plain saffron]

excuse me

[round hare]

Ive heard theres International acc or some isk

[whole crypt]

EN is basically everyone that's not in east Asia

[eternal pine]

how do you heal ships in opsi wtf lmao

[whole crypt]

with Unicorn

[soft raft]

that doesnt really matter

[round hare]

I mean date

So different anniv dates

[whole crypt]

all the different regions have a different start date, so your region's anniversary is going to be different from CN/JP

[plain saffron]

or use healer or use repair box

[soft raft]

CN is late May
EN is August
and JP is Sept

Dunno about KR and TW

[eternal pine]

1000 opsi tokens what the fuck

[eternal moth]

Go to port and click Formation. You can heal there

[soft raft]

that's chump change lol

[icy mountain]

is this a good equipment?

[eternal pine]

oh ok

[whole crypt]

best ASW gear and you dont' get replacement if you lose it

[soft raft]

Kinda niche but it's very good at it (Killing submarines)
Basically a must use in mob for 14-3, 14-4, 15-3, and 15-4

you can use it in events if you want but the submarines there are piss easy

[eternal pine]

how do you change your opsi fleet?

[icy mountain]

can i equip it on my z23?

nvm my question

[whole crypt]

yes, but you don't need it unless you're fighting something hard with subs

[eternal moth]

In port, go to Order - Fleet Deployment

[soft raft]

Yes
DDs have the highest ASW stat so they have priority
It's just kinda niche for most content

[whole crypt]

imagine reading the in-game help

[round hare]

I see

[plain saffron]

ikr

why read when you can ask basic question here

[round hare]

Once i reach pity in normal pull i shd go for shinano right? Since nj is prolly not quite useful other then pvp?

[whole crypt]

why read the in-game help when you can read the exact same thing after asking in gph yes

[eternal pine]

thanks

[plain saffron]

guys how do i put gear on my ship

[icy mountain]

also opsi is so hard i hate it so much

[wind hazel]

click it

[eternal moth]

OpSi is pretty simple

[icy mountain]

why does everything hurt like a truck

[plain saffron]

underlevelled

[hushed dawn]

It gets easier overtime.

[whole crypt]

OS is hard when you first unlock it because you quickly run into stuff you're too low leveled for

[icy mountain]

my ships are above lvl105 and this stupid lvl90 mobs chip half my ship's health

[hushed dawn]

Eventually you'll be able to clear OpSi in 2-3 weeks.
And I've seen people do it for less.

[whole crypt]

you need to raise your adapt scores

[mellow cape]

New augs worth?

[whole crypt]

this thing if it's too low you take penalties when fighting higher level fleets

[icy mountain]

by constantly clearing the map over and over again right?

[whole crypt]

or you could buy it from port shop, not good value compared to just grinding more though

[soft raft]

no not really
chappy aug is decent but she's still mid
And are you really gonna make a aug for a common rarity shitter you've prob never used

[mellow cape]

Fair nuff loll

[icy mountain]

also i really need enty to actually perform well in bossfights in opsi

i just need to grind a lil bit more and oath a ship (i wanted to oath other ships)

[soft raft]

depends on your dock
Enty isnt a absolute must but she's cracked af regardless

[soft raft]

Tatical oathing is only a thing if you can whale

[icy mountain]

i need some burst

[icy mountain]

i need to complete the rookie missions

i cant wait till next month for enty to appear (its not even guaranteed)

[eternal pine]

how do you raise those then?

[soft raft]

by grinding maps
you can also buy adapts from port shop

[mellow cape]

Honestly having a good mob grind fleet for ops si changes your life more than a good boss fleet. You can almost make do without doing the main arbiter

[icy mountain]

i just need to create a boss fleet so that i can also make my life easier for future events in case theres a really tanky boss and i dont have the URs to fight it

[wind hazel]

just post your entire dock and have someone help you out with opsi fleets

[icy mountain]

i dont really have anybody leveled other than hood, uni, saratoga, z23, helena, and portland atm 💀

[wind hazel]

then just use that fleet and explore low corrosion areas and do your best 👍

[icy mountain]

i have kron but i didnt really invest my rainbow bulins on her atm since i cant afford to put bulins on her cuz i know for a fact its not worth it yet

Opsi fleet building and future ships i can build that i can use until i get good ships

[eternal moth]

You can also get tuning samples from the mysterious merchant; those increase your adapt tunings

[eternal basalt]

Stop ar 200/200/150 though... as it's 2/3th of the month you should have that already

[mellow cape]

So why is it that Haku/Shino/implacable is better at dealing with med/heavy vs Yorktown, Kearsarge, and implacable?

I thought gear dictates that

And maybe some skills

[stark quiver]

A lot of damage and converging torps, implac stops the enemy and nanos and hakus torps hit if all goes well

[sweet delta]

idk where you heard that but they're not better on med, and yes plane slots and skills determine it

[stark quiver]

Also nano and haku paired up is very good bc of nanos skill

[eternal pine]

what does the RPG adventure interface do?

[mellow cape]

Huh the YouTuber I was watching had some bad information then

[stark quiver]

YouTuber bad, go to gph

[wind hazel]

but what if gph has youtuber too?

[eternal basalt]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/RPG_Adventure_Interface

[stark quiver]

Look out for a guy called kimo cheese

[soft raft]

Most of AL YT is pure misinformation or just plain wrong

[eternal pine]

sounds like its pretty shit ngl

[wind hazel]

it's actually okay

[plain saffron]

good as 2nd toolbox

[eternal basalt]

It's a geeat secondary DD aux

[plain saffron]

because anything better than nothing(2nd toolbox, skill doesn;t stack)

[rain vine]

its essentially a toolbox aux

[eternal pine]

but its just a worse version of it?

[eternal basalt]

Not if you use 2

[sweet delta]

How did you read that?

[eternal pine]

i only have one tho

[plain saffron]

tookit + toolkit
1000Hp + heal
tookit + RPG
1050HP + heal + that skill

[eternal pine]

?

[eager mulch]

it’s good as a second toolbox i.e. if you have 2 toolboxes on a ship rpg interface replaces the second one

[sweet delta]

It's a 550

[plain saffron]

at +10?

[sweet delta]

It's a 640

[plain saffron]

uhh waht

[eternal basalt]

2 toolboxes

[plain saffron]

alright so 550 at +10

[plain saffron]

2 toolbox, also on DD usually use 2 toolbox. so toolbox + rpg better than 2 toolbox

[eternal pine]

but toolboxes dont stack right?

[eternal basalt]

It's got the same hp as toolbox, but can +13 instead +11. Then again... do you want to

[wind hazel]

yes, people usually use 2nd toolbox cause free hp

[plain saffron]

stats stack skill doesn't, and people use toolbox for stats

[stark quiver]

Yes that’s why rpg is good, because it also has a extra skill

[plain saffron]

bcs DD need HP

[eternal pine]

ah okay

[plain saffron]

wiki said 550 at 10 so idk who to trust anymore

[wind hazel]

rpg is 550 at +10

toolbox is 500 at +10

[eternal basalt]

Hmm, guess it's better then. Neat.

[mellow cape]

Who would be my main DPS on the team of York 2, implacable, and Kearsarge?

I'll put all my 12-13 plus gear on the dps

[kind slate]

is this fine for w14? im unsure of the gearing and fleet comp

[jaunty vault]

york2 probably

[mellow cape]

These were my 2 fleets I had in mind for bossing but I don't have enough gear to use both cv fleets, which one do you think I should stick with?

[jaunty vault]

should perform around the same, i prefer shinhaku comp tho

[stark quiver]

It’s either yk2 or kear, implac mostly for time stop

[sweet delta]

I prefer using the one that's better for the job

And why not just move gear if it's opsi

[sweet delta]

The gear is fine for new players, but Sirius is bad in 14

[stark quiver]

You’d maybe want like 2 dds for mob, and haku would be better in boss, but you can test it out

[blazing shale]

whats currently the best sub fleet? I read the other day that its something with flasher & archer

[icy mountain]

is it fine for me to grind 8-4 till lvl65?

[stark quiver]

I use flasher, archer and alba

[sweet delta]

Depends on the battle

[cobalt rapids]

PP would be better since oilcap

[sweet delta]

Fishes mean flasher > Alba/archer

[blazing shale]

you mean like the armor? but if content then siren

[eternal basalt]

Don't you want ch9 for oilcap?

[sweet delta]

Oh is this the kawakaze thread guy

[icy mountain]

im at lvl62 atm cant do chapter 9

i need to reach lvl65 first

[stark quiver]

Do the highest possible level and level up there

[eternal basalt]

I see... hope you catch Maya

[kind slate]

for gear, would the wyvern/tenrai be better on haku?

[uncut creek]

for ships that are capped on exp gains, they still contribute to shipyard exp for the combat missions right?

[stark quiver]

Probably wyvern if she’s in mob

[hard mesa]

put tenrai on haku to get buff, she needs sakura plane

[whole crypt]

unless you have FS5
also it doesn't need to be Tenrai, Suisei can do the same job if you need a faster timing

as well as using Ryuusei or Saiun for TB if medium/heavy bossing

[kind slate]

for w14 bossing, haku would be fine with pancake/tenrai/barracuda?

[sweet delta]

can replace all instances of Taiyuan or Helena with augmented chapayev

[fluid brook]

So Chappy with aug good?

[sweet delta]

One of the best against DDs

Just high gold against other hulls

[hard mesa]

oh, for yukikaze

[kind slate]

does pr ships take dock space? can I complete research whilst researching some other ship?

[sweet delta]

Yes, no

[kind slate]

frick. so i should collect now then?

[sweet delta]

Probably

[kind slate]

okk

[open jackal]

helena good for completing story?

[copper pine]

what was the maintenance for?

[sweet delta]

#game-news

[jaunty vault]

chweck pins for datamine

[sweet delta]

Good from chapter 1 through chapter 13

[copper pine]

new memory and that's all?

[jaunty vault]

chweck pins for datamine

[kind slate]

another question: which ship to research next?
i have odin/ancho/haku/agir/avp/ply/shimanto.
i was told harbin but exp and tech points is lacking

[sweet delta]

Fdg

[kind slate]

srry ive got her

[undone plover]

Triple core event is not this patch right?

[jaunty vault]

harbin is good
nvm

[atomic abyss]

if unable to get harbin, i suppose brest...?

[copper pine]

so we are getting basically pointless story event then chapa and comet story and an akagi augment i assume?

[hard mesa]

triple starts tomorrow

[sweet delta]

Literally just look at patch notes or even the most recent msg in #game-news

[copper pine]

like i said, what the fuck it does? like chapa to tier 0?

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

we are getting chapayev and comet augment
akagi aux
and pointless story

[open jackal]

any better alternatives for nelson?

[atomic abyss]

The patch has been live for all of 3 maybe 4 hours

[jaunty vault]

fdg

[sweet delta]

Rainbows other than warspite

[atomic abyss]

preliminary results say lol no

it makes her competitive with what, avrora?

[kind slate]

i was considering marco polo but maybe not?

[copper pine]

let me brutally ask, are there any augment that spiked up a ship's performance so much the last 2 years that is worth to get?

[opal stream]

avrora better

[atomic abyss]

marco is... same as nelson kai
worse on account of the fact she requires BPs so....

[viscid swift]

Hood, Saratoga, Shangri-La, Kawakaze, Taiho

[undone plover]

In my defence patch notes were blank on mobile

[opal stream]

if you meant to the point that they perform at UR level
no

[jaunty vault]

not on my mobile

[sweet delta]

not on my azulene app

[copper pine]

i mean lets be brutally honest, its 2024, and its UR or pointless at this time

[opal stream]

augs at best bring the ship to be under UR

[jaunty vault]

yes ahri, this patch is pointless, you can go back to your cave now and come back next patch

[viscid swift]

considering that not everyone has URs and some of the best ships still not URs...

[atomic abyss]

that claim is only true to a certain extent

though the exceptions are few, they do exist

[kind slate]

if im gonna use haku in bossing, who should i swap?

[pure geode]

while she's a low priority i wouldn't wait it too long, since fs5 ing her would definitely get you more of other ships face research

[viscid swift]

and more importantly they're very relevant exceptions

[frank pulsar]

enty imho

[undone plover]

Imo if u have no one else to coin and dont have agir/haku finished get her to take her out of the research pool

[jaunty vault]

id swap haku and indep, use aquila/volga instead in mob fleet if you have them
give haku tenrai
bench sirius and voroshilov

[vale spindle]

nope marco is better

[hard mesa]

independence prob

[kind slate]

ive got all pr4 ships (except haku fs5)

[opal stream]

ill die on the hill that is marco bad

[atomic abyss]

my issue with marco is the opportunity cost

[keen sable]

🍿

[elfin hollow]

What gear from gear lab should i get

[vale spindle]

which is fair

[atomic abyss]

/gearlab

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Gear_Lab_Priority.jpeg

[atomic abyss]

might need to open dat in browser to see everything

[copper pine]

the only ships on top of my head that are critical is helena, unicorn kai, indep, volga, avp (secondary to impla)

[atomic abyss]

if volga is there, so is aquila

[keen sable]

junkers, bidders, 128, and 137 are all reasonable first crafts

[copper pine]

aquila also

aquila was the MVP for W14

[worldly pewter]

does the game do a hype patch before the cn anni ? like log in freebies and such

[viscid swift]

Anchorage, Kazagumo, Sirius, Aurora, Shimanto, etc

[copper pine]

how much sirius give again for ARA?

[soft raft]

No

[elfin hollow]

Imma grind to get cl guns

[worldly pewter]

wyvern

[elfin hollow]

Whats the next ur ship (hopefully its mushai)

[soft raft]

10% max
and it's not ARA so it stacks with ARA

[soft raft]

Next UR in line to rerun is Vanguard
Next new UR is currently unkown

[pliant sluice]

Sirius gives a 10% avi buff for carriers and a 10% hitrate buff for carriers against DDs, CLs and CAs

So really nice to have when you can use that hit rate buff

[atomic abyss]

sushi isn't gonna be for a while...

[elfin hollow]

I already got vanguard so Im chill

[viscid swift]

Might want to make note of what's what there, i.e. UR event, regular SR event, smaller event

[elfin hollow]

Alr Im saving my cubes for mushai

[copper pine]

since soyuz is finally a copium that comes into fruition, what was the next copium UR again?

[elfin hollow]

It just said (vanguard

[copper pine]

Yamato?

[atomic abyss]

just bear in mind, we're likely going to get another UR soon so

[elfin hollow]

Unfortunately there is no Yamato ship

[viscid swift]

one, #al-general this goes

[jaunty vault]

alaska

[sweet delta]

Ah yes say stupid things in front of a red name

[copper pine]

huh? sir we have shinano which was a yamato class

[elfin hollow]

Watch it be another russian UR (this year been a russian UR)

[atomic abyss]

honestly, what are you trying to ask

[worldly pewter]

most likely they want ships that preload and oneshot the enemy

[atomic abyss]

if you're asking us to speculate what the next UR is
it's like asking what the next major event is going to be

[soft raft]

that's nowhere close what

[atomic abyss]

which is beyond the scope of this channel

[atomic abyss]

...there was a time where JB was used to 1 shot EX nodes...

[copper pine]

tho JB was ages ago ender

[atomic abyss]

hence the use of past tense

[copper pine]

like.. 2021?

[atomic abyss]

even longer

[copper pine]

god we are old

speaking of which, do we have another debuffer like helena's radio scan so far?

[soft raft]

afaik no
at least not to the same noteriety as Helena

Closest you could argue is Ply but she just stacks with her, not replace her

[atomic abyss]

nope

closest in the old days was like what, swiftsure?
even then all she did was make stuff easier to hit by debuffing eva

fact is nothing we've gotten is quite as potent

[elfin hollow]

I dont think there will be ever a shinano rerun

[atomic abyss]

tho i suppose avrora is sort of close in the buff department

[undone plover]

Isnt aurora better on average than helena? Where her buff is procced?

[viscid swift]

she's literally in the permanent pools, already reran back in 2022

[soft raft]

man the EN'ing is getting off the charts

[elfin hollow]

Yeah that (also war archive i think)

[soft raft]

yeah War archive is perma

[viscid swift]

I don't know about on average but it's close, better probably cause consistency

[copper pine]

i haven't got aurora to 120 yet

need to shove in the xp packs

[opal stream]

aurora is better than averaged helena

[hard mesa]

hms aurora?

[copper pine]

is aurora fragile?

[atomic abyss]

yes hms aurora
yes she's fragile

[elfin hollow]

My experience w her she is

[atomic abyss]

iirc she's more fragile than helena kai

[elfin hollow]

(Mostly because she a older model of ship)

[copper pine]

for Rodney Meta, do people use aurora than helena?

[hard mesa]

well aurora is consistent but limited to dd cl

[atomic abyss]

...my dude aurora's skill only affects DDs and CLs

[copper pine]

ah

well i guess this meta's gimmick is one of the case where killing it will be impossible in 1 run

[elfin hollow]

Now imma have to wait a painfully long time to mlb implaceable

[kind slate]

is this fine?

[elfin hollow]

I finished yorktown 2

[elfin hollow]

Switch barracuda with a japanese torpedo bomber

[elfin hollow]

And switch the high standard to the heavy american black ammo

[atomic abyss]

what are these for

[viscid swift]

W14 probably

[kind slate]

w14

[kind slate]

for both zwei and soyuz?

[kind slate]

on haku?

[copper pine]

idk if that haku would do much with that loadout

[elfin hollow]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

haku can stick with barra cos low eff
more replace for indep's high eff torp bombers

[cobalt rapids]

[elfin hollow]

Yes with aichi if you do have it

[worldly pewter]

boys any idea why fdg's damage was so little on 13-1 boss ?

[copper pine]

i assume lethal right? isn't aquila a bit better choice than haku for that spot?

[worldly pewter]

so there is something weird going on in the damage calculation ?

[elfin hollow]

Or prototype kai

[atomic abyss]

if the salvos are missing, possibly

[worldly pewter]

it is consistent though

[atomic abyss]

13-1 is... mog kai it seems so med armour

[cobalt rapids]

theres so many factors and unless u would like to share more details then its just a pointless guessing game

[kind slate]

is this fine then?

[soft raft]

Lack of fighter intercept

[opal stream]

looks like no dmg

[kind slate]

so pancake on 1st slot

[copper pine]

that fighter issue will be a huge problem

is aquila a better option than haku for w14 lethal?

[hard mesa]

parallel torp are better on w14

[copper pine]

if yes, i would reommend that then

[cobalt rapids]

https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/1216364383417008159 here is the thread for w14 with his fleets posted

[coarse coral]

Does golden upgrade material for weapons drop from any of the maps btw?

[soft raft]

Depends on the comps if not your mob and boss

[soft raft]

OpSi only
Mainly hidden/abyssal zones and the shop

[copper pine]

using that person's back fleet @kind slate

[copper pine]

this one*

[elfin hollow]

Keep the figher you just had on haku

[soft raft]

Then maybe if Soyuz keeps dying

[copper pine]

i assume lethal threat, it will be a struggle, that's one thing for sure

[kind slate]

i have wyvern barracuda tenrai saiun kai and ryusei and pancake. what should i use on haku.

[copper pine]

barra tenrai

pancake?

[atomic abyss]

pancakes for fighters

[copper pine]

what is pancake?

[pure geode]

flat blue plane

[atomic abyss]

flapjacks

[copper pine]

oh..

[kind slate]

srry flapjack. i forgot thats jp name

[copper pine]

first time i heard pancakes ngl

[kind slate]

so flapjack tenrai barracuda for haku in w14 boss?

[copper pine]

yes

[frank pulsar]

high standard + white shell is better than double shell cuz of conceal

[hard mesa]

wyvern tenrai barracuda on haku

[copper pine]

if your planes are limited, that's fine. if you have extra wyvern, can be better

[hard mesa]

uni should be fine with barracuda

[viscid swift]

ignoring potential timing needs Flapjack, Tenrai, Wyvern would be preferable

[copper pine]

@kind slate you should give it a shot, then report whats the problem. or what happened

[kind slate]

aight. off i go

[copper pine]

from that on, we can improve

because at certain degree of prepping, you need to see what are the needs by doing the battles and is the ships good enough to handle them.

[elfin hollow]

Which is better duca or chap

[copper pine]

duca for torp damage

chap prolly tankier?

[whole crypt]

I'd say Chapayev has more value now with her aug

[thin anvil]

is this good or decent? and should I use it?

[elfin hollow]

I dont like sandy too much in opsi im trying to replace her

[keen sable]

not really but 2LB or MLB is great

[atomic abyss]

not use, but you'll want to limit break her eventually for collection rewards

[elfin hollow]

Use her for star points to get the beaver squad

[thin anvil]

okay

[copper pine]

beaver badge is a huge aux

[elfin hollow]

(Then use it for a large cruiser)

[atomic abyss]

the aux is called beaver badge

[elfin hollow]

Augment?

[copper pine]

just released

[elfin hollow]

It did?

[atomic abyss]

today yes

[copper pine]

along with comet

[atomic abyss]

with that said, both are still prob gonna see less use than sandy kai

[thin anvil]

this?

[elfin hollow]

Then imma replace sandy w her then

[atomic abyss]

yes

that

[copper pine]

yes

[thin anvil]

oh so it's worth it to lb her then

[whole crypt]

depends on where you're using her, San Diego still generally has better utility

[copper pine]

is it better than washing machine again?

[atomic abyss]

no

lower eva

[elfin hollow]

Is for opsi

[copper pine]

ahh

[elfin hollow]

I need more firepower on my fleet

[atomic abyss]

sandy has one of the better damage for CLs so

[copper pine]

better damage? isn't she still in top 5 ish?

[atomic abyss]

chap is definitely worse

[opal stream]

chap is better

[atomic abyss]

[elfin hollow]

I mean she is a admin

[viscid swift]

Sandy DPS isn't that high of a bar, she's about the same as a fully kitted starter

[elfin hollow]

I trust the admin better tbh 😭

[copper pine]

sandy DPS is bloated because of AA damage. without that her damage isn't that great

[elfin hollow]

I also have Yat san

[atomic abyss]

[elfin hollow]

And a chinese dd ship

I might pair both of them up in the same fleet

For opsi

[atomic abyss]

sandy's DPS is already high for a CL even WITHOUT her AA prowess

it's just that CL gun DPS is kinda sad outside plymouth

[opal stream]

you clearly havent use other CL enough

[copper pine]

idk man

[viscid swift]

Harbin, Shimanto, Scylla, etc

[copper pine]

even scylla xD

[atomic abyss]

scylla uses DD guns as well lol

[elfin hollow]

Scylla is funny to use

[copper pine]

Harbin is the most powerful CL so far

[elfin hollow]

Yes but has high damage 😭

[atomic abyss]

and please, just because she isn't top 5 doesn't mean she's not good lol

how is chap better is what i'd like to know

[jaunty vault]

this is correct and true

[elfin hollow]

Idk I just wanta replace sandy

[copper pine]

huh? why people are doubting harbin's damage?

[atomic abyss]

no one said harbin isn't high

[jaunty vault]

plymouth

[viscid swift]

This statement is uhhh yeah

[eager mulch]

most powerful = ply

[elfin hollow]

I have yat duca chap kuy noshiro

[atomic abyss]

ply is miles ahead of the competition

[opal stream]

helena

[keen sable]

no said she's not good but chappy even before aug was far better dps

[elfin hollow]

(I dont have ply yet

[viscid swift]

just post your dock in a thread, more efficient than guess work and drip feeding information

[copper pine]

ply is a UR, give harbin a bit of break

[atomic abyss]

i don't believe that in the slightest

not when sandy kai reigned the top of light armour CL DPS charts for quite some time

[viscid swift]

considering Sandy released in what 2018...

[atomic abyss]

chappy has CL guns...

[copper pine]

one of the OG's

[knotty garnet]

So, How is Chappy's augment

[opal stream]

not good enough

[jaunty vault]

[opal stream]

idk why they kept the proc rate 70 but whatever

[viscid swift]

you can't just conjecture based on a that alone though, as we're forever saying there's more factors to consider

[whole crypt]

the thing is you know, they buffed CL guns, and q152 exists

[viscid swift]

aye, all CL guns had their damage buffed by 20% some time back

[woven tendon]

who should get my dr6 bps?

[whole crypt]

whichever is closer to completion

[opal stream]

whoever you like

id say hind cuz shes not as restricted

[jaunty vault]

still doubt chappy has better DPS than sandy without aug

[woven tendon]

just about done developing hindenburg and havent started kearsarge yet

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

hais... do i seriously have to pull out the tables

[copper pine]

then can go for hinden, but its all back to your choice

[opal stream]

ill on that the hill that is sandy bad

[copper pine]

die?

[atomic abyss]

does the wiki account for the 20% buff?

[hard mesa]

[opal stream]

redacted

[atomic abyss]

...then what i see is just depressing

[copper pine]

i mean... its a 6 year old ship

[thin anvil]

are augments useful?

[jaunty vault]

yes and she got retrofitted

[opal stream]

using which guns isnt the only thing you compare when you compare 2 ships

[atomic abyss]

maybe i shd change the question

[keen sable]

yes and chappy with chappy blows away sandy's gun.

[viscid swift]

aye, stats, skills, barrages, etc

[atomic abyss]

so why do you think chappy's dps is better?

[thin anvil]

i can do these for enty which one should I choose?

[jaunty vault]

yes why

[keen sable]

why do you think sandy is better? chappy just flat out is. i don't know where you get sandy is even close from

[viscid swift]

neither, save your mats to craft some useful unique augs later

[atomic abyss]

sandy's barrage is deceptively strong lol

[copper pine]

can we pull out the stats, barrage, gun stats and damage comparison of sandy vs chappy? to put this to rest?

[whole crypt]

take this with a grain of salt but CN wiki DPS list has chapayev about 24% ahead of San Diego, and I doubt it's updated with aug yet

[opal stream]

its not
they probably gonna update it soon
and we see even bigger gap

[copper pine]

to how much?

40-50%?

[whole crypt]

probably? and even bigger on her rdps

[undone plover]

can i have a link pls?

[keen sable]

sandy's aoa is weak, sandy's skill is weak. she just loses in all cases against chappy. and sandy has one of the saddest torp slots ever.

and again this is unaug chappy

[whole crypt]

https://wiki.biligame.com/blhx/舰船输出生存参考

[copper pine]

sandy is just a meme, that's all (im joking)

[hard mesa]

[atomic abyss]

you do realise her skill barrage has 100% proc rate, does more damage AND homes right...

[copper pine]

but the skill itself is weak ender

[atomic abyss]

chappy's barrage is lower dmg

[copper pine]

can we pull the receipts

[whole crypt]

[opal stream]

sandy barrage is weak as shit

[keen sable]

chappy's aoa is a modern 200 dps aoa. sandy is stuck in shitty og aoa. I am wrong about skill sandy's skill is better

[atomic abyss]

i mean, yes, it's an AOA procced by DD guns

[worldly pewter]

boys how do i know when i need parallel or converging fighers or when i need intercept or no intercept torpedo ?

[atomic abyss]

so it'll proc WAY more

[opal stream]

DD require more shots...

[keen sable]

math does not support you

[elfin hollow]

So should I keep sandy currently or replace her with duca, chap yat or sum other ship (i dont have ply)

[atomic abyss]

sandy's mgm+1 solves the issue of that

[opal stream]

chap also +1 mgm

[whole crypt]

well Chapayev also has MGM+1

[atomic abyss]

mgm+1 cl guns are slower tho

[elfin hollow]

What is mgm?

[eager mulch]

main gun mount

[whole crypt]

main gun mount

[opal stream]

[copper pine]

main Gun mount +1

[atomic abyss]

and again, can we not ignore the fact that DD guns are straight up still better than CL guns

[copper pine]

is it better?

[opal stream]

we cannot ignore the fact chap has better skills, barrage and mg eff

[hard mesa]

chap has better secondary

[viscid swift]

alright there's an easy way to settle this

[eager mulch]

damage test

[opal stream]

ender is that boomer who settle ships dmg on what gun they can use

[copper pine]

lets not start a discussion by mocking people being boomer etc

[elfin hollow]

Agreed

[copper pine]

just pull out the receipts

[atomic abyss]

im still not seeing how chappy's skills are better

[viscid swift]

give it about 10 minutes

[copper pine]

that's all

[opal stream]

jokes aside
the only thing sandy has over chap is the DD gun
everything chap has is better
and all that combine is better than being able to use dd gun

[atomic abyss]

ok well ignoring Sandy's AA skill ofc

[sweet delta]

I'm still not seeing how your 2019 fossilized beliefs are relevant

[eager mulch]

You’re in CM aren’t you

[viscid swift]

where else

[whole crypt]

are you considering chapayev before or after aug ender

[eager mulch]

arbiter

[atomic abyss]

i mean chap is 2020 herself...

[viscid swift]

yeah but keeping them alive would so much more of a PIA

[whole crypt]

because chapayev's output is going to be quite a bit higher with aug

[atomic abyss]

let's see before the aug first, since the claim here is that chap wins pre aug even

[copper pine]

what is the battle we are using as the parameter?

[whole crypt]

sitting in CM for 10 minutes and comparing output

[opal stream]

sounds like a bad idea
do it

[whole crypt]

I think cheeky is doing it

[copper pine]

im doing it also... my chapa is only 120 my sandy is 125 tho.. not an apple to apple comparison

[viscid swift]

same

[atomic abyss]

barrage proc rate for chappy is going to sway her dps a lot

[kind slate]

this is 14-2 mobbing. guam is getting destroyed. whats the problem?

[atomic abyss]

i mean, it's 70% vs 100%

[elfin hollow]

Cheeky?

[atomic abyss]

it's a valid point no?

[whole crypt]

I like 70% across 10 minutes, it irons out the RNG compared to a shorter fight

[viscid swift]

well in the context of CM it's a 10 minute battle so it averages out

[opal stream]

enty in mob is kinda cope

[eager mulch]

Kronstadt is redundant

[opal stream]

cheeky remember to do burn dmg math

[viscid swift]

nah, I'm just posting a SS and running

[keen sable]

there's 5 other ships. rng is not an issue generally. you'll probably see far more variation in stuff like torps whiffing

remember to test twice so chappy doesn't buff sandy

[jaunty vault]

what gear are you running

[eager mulch]

I’d assume rainbows

[atomic abyss]

what's the CM boss again, yooks?

[jaunty vault]

yeah

[eager mulch]

[copper pine]

what is the loadout?

[atomic abyss]

then both should be at their maximum potential

since chap is specifically anti DD

[viscid swift]

Chapy: +10 Plymouth, +10 UR DD, FP AA
Sandy: +10 UR DD, +10 Quad Mags, FP AA
both running toolbox and and rudder

[whole crypt]

I'm guessing rainbow duck vs q152, no idea about aux gun

[opal stream]

and now we sit here for the next 20minutes i guess

[keen sable]

ok that's fine. both get the same buff and chappy anti-dd isn't included in her base dps

[copper pine]

should i run the same test for mitigating variable difference?

[atomic abyss]

hmm, it isn't?

doesn't she have a 20% damage bonus to DDs?

[whole crypt]

doubt you'll see a significant variance for a 10min fight

[viscid swift]

Make of that what you will

[sweet delta]

Where variable means tech and cats

[whole crypt]

I mean if you could take 20% off chapayev to see where she stands at the end
but rainbow duck is also better against light when it's the least significant armour type for trash killing

[opal stream]

kron bad

[eager mulch]

redundant one could say

[kind slate]

whats the problem pls?

[sweet delta]

So chap without aug beats sandy by over 10% against non DD light armor

[viscid swift]

With aug

[atomic abyss]

[elfin hollow]

Should I replace sandy by chapy?

[viscid swift]

But 120 vs 125

[atomic abyss]

then i think we can assume that they are equal for most intents and purposes

[opal stream]

level gap

[sweet delta]

They are clearly not equal

[whole crypt]

which is 125

[opal stream]

5 levesl is already 10% dmg

[elfin hollow]

Maybe replace one of the aux with health

[atomic abyss]

i mean y'all said pre aug

[viscid swift]

Sandy

[atomic abyss]

[copper pine]

dont have XP books

[atomic abyss]

i never said post aug

[copper pine]

can only do to 121 for my chapa

[whole crypt]

so sandy lost even with 10% more advantage

[eager mulch]

sandy bad

[atomic abyss]

well let's see

[elfin hollow]

Wait does sandy have its own aux?

[kind slate]

ill replace beaver with medkit?

[opal stream]

not yet

[atomic abyss]

here with chappy post aug at lv 120 vs sandy kai with no aug at 125

[jaunty vault]

chapayev has 20% more damage vs CLs and aug so

[opal stream]

chap aug is boosting sandy there btw
so her number is even lower

[atomic abyss]

chappy wins by about 100k here against a DD with less levels

[whole crypt]

that's Chapayev beating Sandy by about 20% with 10% less level advantage, but with aug

[jaunty vault]

no aug would unboost herself more

[stark quiver]

@sweet delta can u link the sample fleets for cm

[elfin hollow]

Yes

Is overall chap better then sandy

[opal stream]

so what we learned chat
chap does more dmg sandy
nuclear take

[copper pine]

comparable set?

[elfin hollow]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

with aug, definitely, i concede to that

[hollow gust]

No?

[keen sable]

just get plygood

[viscid swift]

Gimme a few minutes for no aug

[elfin hollow]

I dont have it im finishing agir

[atomic abyss]

pre-aug i think it is too close to be sure statistically speaking

too many factors to skew the numbers here

[whole crypt]

[atomic abyss]

i wanted to check with the damage formula buuut

the wiki page for damage calculation is... very broken

[copper pine]

running it now

[patent pivot]

Are yall counting burn dmg? out of curiosity

[opal stream]

no

[whole crypt]

doubt

[atomic abyss]

[jaunty vault]

are you using plygun on sandy

[opal stream]

chap is even better if you count burn

[atomic abyss]

the fuck happened to the page

[hollow gust]

Imagine not having 125 chapy

[copper pine]

oh shit, yes

[hollow gust]

Why plygun on sandy

[jaunty vault]

cheeky already tested with aug

[atomic abyss]

next thing we know, plygun on z23 is the new meta

[copper pine]

bruh i shouldn't turn on the fight sound when i sortie sandy

bruh..................

[forest palm]

I mean she actually can...

[atomic abyss]

hence the joke

[opal stream]

seems like a you issue

[hard mesa]

in the end ppl prob choose sandy more over chappy not for dmg, because sandy has good utility to push w13 - w15 while her overall dmg isnt too weak

[whole crypt]

I mean utility wise it's sandy for campaign, but ender was on about DPS and also augment is giving chapayev better damage support now

[atomic abyss]

i am willing to concede with aug

pre aug im still skeptical

[sweet delta]

#gameplay-help message
Or old http://renhex.github.io/alft/158
Adjust tech accordingly, Soyuz should be at 199 or 200 rld after 10% buff with BBs

[jaunty vault]

you guys were just shitting on how bad sandy surface dps was

[atomic abyss]

i mean they were

[jaunty vault]

especially you

[atomic abyss]

but yes i do admit that i was overselling her

[elfin hollow]

Did i really start 20 minutes of yapping on which ship is better chap or sandy

[copper pine]

is that 3 autoreloader??

[jaunty vault]

welcome to gph

[sweet delta]

Yes it's only 3

[opal stream]

i mean it is...
ply does like double that and buff at the same time

[vale spindle]

sandy is better for campaign

[sweet delta]

Well no there's 4

[elfin hollow]

Yes

[jaunty vault]

and here comes the NPC

[hard mesa]

[whole crypt]

which is why my test is plymouth/sandy/chapayev

[copper pine]

damn NPC

[vale spindle]

sandy is more expensive than chappy to get to maximum investment

[atomic abyss]

how is that double again

[elfin hollow]

So in opsi who is better

[vale spindle]

but why invest in chappy or sandy when shimanto exists

[atomic abyss]

well

[vale spindle]

you will not notice a difference

[keen sable]

if you want dps, get dps. don't look for it in cl's before harbin

[copper pine]

btw, this debate starts an hour ago, just saying

[atomic abyss]

since you dislike sandy, you can probably swap without issue

[elfin hollow]

Yeah due to me 😭

[keen sable]

even mainz and seattle are sus against latest cl's

[atomic abyss]

seattle

[whole crypt]

OS mobbing really doesn't matter, preloads/fast strikes will clear a bunch and your vanguard won't be picking up all that much when divided among themselves

[grand sigil]

What is the best way to spend oil before World 13?

[whole crypt]

seattle was always sus

[copper pine]

what is the current DPS rank for CL again?

[atomic abyss]

aren't seattle and mainz worlds apart to begin with

[keen sable]

12

[hollow gust]

why use either sandy or chapy, scylla supermacy

[atomic abyss]

cos scylla is limited

[opal stream]

ply exist
use ply

[copper pine]

ply speedrun all CL to the ground DPS wise

[modern depot]

On soyuz is the the twin 381 better than the triple 406?

[whole crypt]

plymouth harbin shimanto

[copper pine]

the top 3?

[elfin hollow]

Is this fleet good?

[atomic abyss]

wha- twin 381???

[copper pine]

wtf is the right side vnaguard one?

[jaunty vault]

has it been 10 minutes yet

[hard mesa]

[copper pine]

@jaunty vault 50 seconds

[jaunty vault]

scylla

cheeky wya

[modern depot]

Follow up, what is the next gun I should aim for? I read the same heart guide but applying what I learned in game is tough because idk what to prioritize

[atomic abyss]

twin 381 is a worse twin 410 for all intents and purposes

[elfin hollow]

^^

[keen sable]

umm that's not even a retro sandy?

[atomic abyss]

soyuz has really good gun damage
so twin 410 or triple 406

[whole crypt]

good for what?

[hollow gust]

im running a scylla setup rn 5 more min :)

[viscid swift]

give it 3 minutes