Dethrone Shad

[novel swift]

It does in description but doesn't say unofficial or says it in the name
But yeah i get ur point

[autumn vortex]

2nd paragraph in the server intro

[novel swift]

Bruh where is all this
There is the big one outside already

[autumn vortex]

bulletin board - info

[novel swift]

Where can i find it

[ionic quail]

#info-old

[autumn vortex]

category called bulletin board, right up the top. First channel is called info

[fickle bay]

Hi Ben

[autumn vortex]

Hey noah

been a while

[fickle bay]

Yea, the boys miss you.

[autumn vortex]

awe 🫰

[novel swift]

So... a message
I mean it works i guess

[autumn vortex]

written by the server owner

[novel swift]

But i think writing the word unofficial here solves it all

[ionic quail]

Also, before Shad removed the server from his video description, it used to say this

His website is “official”, we are “community run”

[fickle bay]

I won't say it, but I'm glad that you are alive.

[autumn vortex]

i am also glad i'm alive

[novel swift]

Not saying it isn't valid it's just that most people don't read all of that
Most people just join server to be notified with uploads

[autumn vortex]

gotta read the fine print when it comes to legal stuff though

what people choose to gloss over is no fault of the server owner

[novel swift]

Fair

[knotty dock]

"Official" is (was) fine. As it was promoted and endorsed by him

Official doesn't mean "owned"

Like "Official beverage of team X"

[ionic quail]

It might’ve been, but also we didn’t ever claim to be official

[autumn vortex]

And that is the issue here. Shad has just up and swooped in to try and take that ownership without any sort of explanation or reason except for wanting more control. That is what he said, verbatim.

[ionic quail]

Unless it was attached to “official community run”

[ionic quail]

Pretty much

[knotty dock]

That's why I added "was"

[ionic quail]

My guess is that he doesn’t want the server to rebrand, which is bizarre since he has never been interested in it

[autumn vortex]

I can almost guarantee that's what's going on

he's losing viewers, sponsors, the whole kit and kaboodle, and he doesn't want to lose control

[knotty dock]

Well, getting control makes sense if he wants to "invest" in it.

Is he losing viewers and sponsors?

[autumn vortex]

If he could have answered questions as to what his plans and goals are, this might have all gone differently

but he actively avoided any of that

[ionic quail]

I don’t know how his channel is doing, but I doubt this server has never benefited him in any way

[autumn vortex]

just look at his channel analytics

and tell me the last time you've seen a video with a sponsor

[ionic quail]

A lot of people who joined criticised some of his theories, which used to annoy him. Can’t think of any reason he would want this place

Unless it’s to ban all the critics and make this place a Knights Watch server

[autumn vortex]

heaven forbid

[ionic quail]

Tbh if I were him, I’d just make an actual official server

One promo vid and it would be bigger than this place

[knotty dock]

As you probably missed, I entered this thread saying that I have unsubscribed years ago

[autumn vortex]

ahhh right

[fickle bay]

I say.

[ionic quail]

In this case it literally is

[knotty dock]

The point is that this option is the reason why it would make more sense to acquire ownership

[autumn vortex]

if this place became a knight's watch server, i MIGHT consider coming back, even 🤣

for legal reasons this is a joke. I'm tired

[knotty dock]

No problem, just that I can't answer the question because sponsorships are one of the reason I quit

[autumn vortex]

ahh fair enough

[knotty dock]

Secondary to overall research and quality of the actual content

[autumn vortex]

was this before or after knights watch became a thing?

[knotty dock]

I think it all started at the fifth video of "a stick"

[autumn vortex]

oh boy, the dark ages

[knotty dock]

Which it was in fall, and by May I was totally pissed off

Of what year, I don't remember

[autumn vortex]

that would have been 2020

coz i started at the end of 2019

[knotty dock]

Probably, 20/21

Knight Watch was already a thing, I just don't care watching other people play

[autumn vortex]

yeah knight's watch started shortly after i did

or game knights, rather

Anyway, i am in favour of the rebranding. I think y'all have done a kick ass job with this server so far, and i reckon you'll all continue to do so without being tied to shad

[knotty dock]

Is there a thread for naming suggestions?

[chrome quiver]

Let's name it Dragon's Watch

[low meadow]

Of the server? No. Perhaps start one.

Ahh nvm,someone sort of did.

[chrome quiver]

Where?

[low meadow]

https://discord.com/channels/454767470507589653/1278445435727646800

Sort of.

😂

[knotty dock]

The author of this thread left the server?

[steel charm]

Yes

[fickle bay]

Sad

[knotty dock]

Ok, because it seemed a pretty active user on the topic

Well, goodnight

[bleak trout]

I think shad just found out you can monetize discord and wants the server for those reasons

[rocky wren]

@bleak trout has just advanced to level 14.

[sullen cliff]

I was wondering what that late night ping was about lol.
"I can squeeze you for money"

[minor gale]

Bit late for that lol. Also: how??

[surreal marsh]

Can someone please tl;dr what in the hell happened about shad and the server

I kinda stopped watching him a while ago so I'm in the dark on what the drama is here

[bleak trout]

How what? Idk I just heard you can monetize servers now and shad is desperate for money

[surreal marsh]

I feel like there were a variety of very clear choices that could have averted his past two or three years of being desperate for money lmao

Separation of Foot and Mouth
It's in the Successful YouTuber Constitution

[bleak trout]

Hmm?

[surreal marsh]

Anyway
What happened and how did we get here
Why is Shad versus the server suddenly?

[bleak trout]

It's not sudden noone has really cared about shad here for years.
He stopped making the content he built his fandom on for starters
He's never Active in the server {he's got the same server rank as me but I'm only active in memes}
Doesn't care about this place and all and now he wants it back with threats and no questions asked

[deep surge]

According to the announcement, despite not being active here for like... 3 years or something, Shad has demanded ownership of the server, but has not made clear what his plans are for it, why, etc.
Because of this, the icon and banner were changed, and any mention of ‘official’ server is removed

[surreal marsh]

All that checks out yeah
I have been begging yt to stop recommending him to me for years now lmao

[surreal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ayowtf-craig-gleason-straight-drop-gif-21867265

oh hey Verdi

[bleak trout]

But have you hit the three dots and told YouTube that?

[surreal marsh]

bruh I've hit like
At least 6 dots

[rocky wren]

@surreal marsh has just advanced to level 2.

[bleak trout]

such sad, I don't get recommended videos

[surreal marsh]

me on those dots

[deep surge]

Pretty much, yeah. An apt gif for it!

Hey! How are you?

[surreal marsh]

Fancy meeting you here! Considering I haven't been active on this server since like, the lockdown
I'm good hbyyyy

[bleak trout]

My YouTube looks like this 🤣

[surreal marsh]

Using YouTube in browser with no app or account is a very metal move and I respect that

at least I'm not the only one with 70 tabs

[deep surge]

I’m ok! Been busy writing my novel and a children’s book about classical music.

[deep surge]

Same. Mine also has watch history off

[bleak trout]

I had to DELETE the app to make my phone usable. But I am logged in otherwise I'd be recommended videos.
What are tabs on mobile even for?

[thin helm]

I havent watched shadiverstiy in ages and i havent touched the discord for over a year, imo if shad dosent care you guys shouldnt either. Dont waste your time on nothing. Changing the servers purpose seems like the best case scenario.

[surreal marsh]

hell yeah! That's awesome

[surreal marsh]

to save for later (forever)

[bleak trout]

It's so relaxing only thing I see on YouTube is my own subscriptions and videos related to what I'm currently watching

[kindred holly]

I don't the idea of going against him but parting ways and being our own thing, that I support.
I love knights watch though. You need to understand I have 8 discords I run and they are all dormant. I have a life. So does Shad. He can make his own if you don't wish to to turn it over to him.

[surreal marsh]

If I didn't keep my history on then I would never be able to remember the name of that one obscure and goofy video that I need for the topic at hand right now

[bleak trout]

But you can just like the video

[kindred holly]

The Shad hate is cringe. I like him. But yes we should make our our own thing.

[surreal marsh]

knight's watch is what finally made me jump ship lmao
he turned into alex jones trying to cosplay as the critical drinker

[surreal marsh]

fam I cannot even remember my birthdsy anymore, let alone that step xD

[kindred holly]

He and Will are good friends.

[surreal marsh]

Fax are fax
I liked him back in the day, but I don't know who this dude is anymore

[surreal marsh]

Yeah I watch efap from time to time

[kindred holly]

You are talking to a conservative Catholic man who always knew Shad is a conservative Mormon family man.

Ryan and Gary are arseholes.

Shad is not.

I am Catholic and still like him.

I don't always agree.

Still.

I think we should change the name.

Brothers and Sisters of the Sword perhaps?

[surreal marsh]

A mormon and a catholic walk into a bar

[kindred holly]

Society of the Sword?

One asks for tea, the other for a Boilermaker?

[surreal marsh]

it sounds like the beginning of a joke, but it's just what happened

[pure basalt]

woah what dis?

[rocky wren]

@pure basalt has just advanced to level 2.

[pure basalt]

ay lmao new person moment

[kindred holly]

Shad wants to take offical control of the server.
The owner doesn't want to give it up so he and Shad ended their relationship.

[pure basalt]

and this thread is necessary cause? I thought everyone was on board with the server rebrand and other stuff

then again im technically new so dunno much whats going on

[steel charm]

This is what started it, and what caused Shad to get involved

[pure basalt]

huh thats interesting

its like one of those coup done by a higher ranking lord to the king moment

[steel charm]

In this case it was started by a commoner who fled when it was complete

[pure basalt]

thats funny Im backreading and saw

[low meadow]

Not really. Silimas left due to something else completely. Had nothing to do with this

[pure basalt]

tbf I also kinda left when knights watch was becoming more commentary then gaming/uncut stuff from the main channel

[surreal marsh]

The way I understand it is that shad was completely apathetic to the server for several years and then suddenly wanted to take ownership (which he never actually had)

The details as to how and why are what I do not know

[surreal marsh]

Right, and because I'm present in a lot of other sword tube circles, I have also been subjected to his twitter drama against others such as skal

[rocky wren]

@surreal marsh has just advanced to level 3.

[fickle bay]

🤔

[kindred holly]

Skall is kind of a tool.

I like Shad and Rafaelo best.

[pure basalt]

tbh i dont watch swordtube anymore really only watch matt when something fillipino comes out cause its in my blood

i guess sellsword arts occasionally but its rare

[mild flax]

Drama with Skal?
I remember them being in a good relationship, what the hell happened?

[steel charm]

Skall went left

[mild flax]

You mean in a socio/political sense? I don't want to start a problematic discussion here

[minor gale]

Na he just started walking off the left side of the screen at the end of videos xP

[steel charm]

Yes, I don't want to discuss it at all, that's why I was so terse

[wet karma]

Skall made a joke about people like Shad getting easily offended. Shad got extremely offended and called Skall a far-left NPC. He then cut ties. And no, Skall isn't far-left.

[steel charm]

That's far from the whole story

[wet karma]

#disputatio message

[sullen cliff]

I mean it sounds fitting that Shad is snowflake from the things I heard.

[honest nest]

I've almost forgotten this server existed and today I woke up to this

[formal cairn]

Admin should either rebrand the discord to something more in line with its new purpose or just make a new discord and leave this one to the crows.

Any half measure is just going to be weird with the server owner & what seems like a bunch of the community effectively divorced from shad

[balmy cipher]

Honestly I think it's funny that it only has become an issue because we were talking about splitting off.
Shad didn't want anything to do with the server and has been happy letting it do what it wants for 3 years or so

[fast sluice]

Dunno, his last message here was quite butthurt.

[hearty linden]

Talking to Sili all over the server, it gave me vibes of more going for him

[gleaming kindle]

so shad proved his point

[rocky wren]

@gleaming kindle has just advanced to level 6.

[gleaming kindle]

I still like Tyranth, I will continue watching specifically for him, and his own YouTube channel

[sullen venture]

And Nate..... Man I miss that Shiny bald head of His.

[gleaming kindle]

he’s made a couple appearances on Tyranth’s channel, but yeah I do miss him

[clear ravine]

Seeing how forum post names don't copy paste well, I tried making a bit of an overview here
#1272987251101667389 message

[surreal marsh]

Etal essentially explained what I know of it, yeah
He overreacted and lashed out and now they've cut ties

[sullen venture]

Aye, always glad to see Him appear there.

[gleaming kindle]

me too, the playful insults and threats between them is always funny

[sullen venture]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5YxiOtBFIqkc2iUc1cklgMwFzd3F1l45?si=BJXh0blhsxTY6dXy

😂

[gleaming kindle]

that just reminded me the actual first video I ever saw on Shadiversiry was the helmet one

I didn’t actually watch it until a while ago but it was recommended to me for like a month

[honest nest]

I learned about Shadiversity thanks to Skallagrim

I was watching him and I think he sold Shad a longsword or something?

It was a few years ago so I don't really remember

[sullen venture]

Think my first video from shad was one of the old sword classification videos from 9 years ago when the channel was just starting. So Im one of the old OG´s 😂

[sullen venture]

Yeah I remember this, and then later Shad mentioned that Him and Skallagrim dont really come along either. Which suprised me a bit cause I rememeber Shad getting the sword from Him afterall.

So it seems Shad is not really coming along whit anybody. Which doesnt really suprise knowing the stormy past and recent happenings.

[honest nest]

When did he say that?

[sullen venture]

I think it was in a community post that He made after Matt Easton cut ties whit Him.

[honest nest]

Oh, okay

I think it was after I stopped watching him

[sullen venture]

Or mentioned it briefly in a video addressing it I cant recall on the top of myhead. Its been like what, a year?

[balmy cipher]

If you are talking about the drama with Skall, it wasnt a brief message

[sullen venture]

Well please refresh my memory, I cant be bothered to scroll trough all the videos and community posts to read a long post about it again.

I jsut vagely remember a video of somesort where Shad talked about this subject and mentioned something Skall not liking their content and all

Mightve been on Knights watch or something I dunno

Unsure if its even public anymore

[balmy cipher]

Already been told not to air it further by mods in this thread

[fickle bay]

Shad is dethroned.

This is a Republic now.

[chrome quiver]

Elect a New King!!!

[sullen venture]

Yes I know, yo ucan also shoot a DM about it.

[soft agate]

https://tenor.com/view/death-palpatine-gif-13920755

[fickle bay]

Ouch

[minor gale]

Is pyro also going to be dethroned then, per the gif analogy?

[soft agate]

No no, he’s fine for now

(Twas just a joke)

[minor gale]

(/s) lol

[minor gale]

"for now..."

Revan preparing his play

[soft agate]

https://tenor.com/view/going-crazy-willem-dafoe-grin-smile-gif-16959907

[atomic slate]

Might as well, before he cements his powerbase. 😋

[red marlin]

lol

[minor gale]

Time for your coup colt

[kindred holly]

Not really. He's pretty chill from my experience.
Skal and Shad were cordial but never liked each other. I don't like Skal that much. Just like I don't ike Liendybeig but Shad and him are good freinds.

HAIL REVAN!

Shad seems like nice moron family man who maybe under stress.
I blew a gasket at some the other week for being rude to me. I am having problems on my end.

[rocky wren]

@kindred holly has just advanced to level 6.

[kindred holly]

Shad and co seem like good guys.
He and Oz even patched things up.
That made me very happy.

[minor gale]

*Mormon family man?

[kindred holly]

Yes.

He's not a polygamist my dude.

I'm Roman Catholic, thinking about becoming a Greek Catholic Priest.

https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-you-bless-cross-priest-gif-17443764

[minor gale]

I was just correcting your spelling error lol. You said "moron family man"

[kindred holly]

LOL Sorry.

I like Shad.
I was just as Pissed as he was at the Halo show.

[minor gale]

No worries. Also Roman Catholic. I think there's plenty of reasons to make the discord its own thing without disliking shad

[kindred holly]

I'm a right wing Monarchist so maybe the modern liberals all hate him for being a 1950s liberal.

Agreed.

I'd have preferred to hand it to over to Shad and make our own.

Hell I may make Another discord!

You interested in being an admin?

But this can be it's own thing.

[minor gale]

This was my thought at first too, but people have pointed out that there would be a lot of negatives in doing that, and that the current discord owners/admins have more right to this discord than shad does, at the end of the day

[rocky wren]

@minor gale has just advanced to level 14.

[kindred holly]

I am on Doomcock's server and he polices it hard.

I have been trying in to Razorfirst's for a year.
Clever bastard only gives out link on his livestreams and only 50 at a time.

https://tenor.com/view/scifi-picard-mad-angry-no-gif-13835031

[minor gale]

Probably not :/
I like this discord and the users, and it seems like it'll be continuing as its own thing

[kindred holly]

Aye.

[minor gale]

Thanks for the offer tho

[kindred holly]

Aye.

[low meadow]

Nah, shad didn't create any of stuff in here, he he can create his own.

[ionic quail]

Exactly. Everything here is well established

No use in moving everyone to a new place

[fickle bay]

[ionic quail]

I think Dark, maybe Jester, and I liked the idea of calling it The Castle

If there’s a vote on it, that’d be an option for consideration

[fickle bay]

More like Castle Mayhem.

[ionic quail]

I haven’t seen others yet tho, we’d need a few alternatives if we do have a vote

Oh I’m in the wrong thread oops

Still, we gotta ditch the Shadiverse name

[fast sluice]

There is this post #1278445435727646800 message that have most of the rename ideas.

[dusty violet]

I was thinking we have a tourney for new name, icon and banner
Get as much of the server involved as possible

[wet karma]

I second that

[balmy cipher]

He might be, and I really try to think that but he also shows what he thinks when he calls people "degenerates" and uses coded language in his KW videos. Last I checked, his 14min elongated "picking up f*gots" joke video is still up on his channel.

Either way, he isn't what most people have stayed in this discord for.

(sorry if my comment isn't appropriate, let me know and I am happy to remove it)

[sullen venture]

As do I, but theres no excuse for poor judgemental behavior as Cieron said, or the recent allegations of threats and demands.

Shad was one of the first people I found when looking into historical stuff. Swords and shields and stuff. First video I watched from Him 9 years ago was the classifications of the sword family, so Im one of the OG supporters of the man, and I mainly stick whit His main channel and dont go into KW Too much.

I Just wish He had made better decisions/actions over the years, like actually keeping in touch whit the projects and following them trough. Like the short film adaptation that He was filming, casting in etc! Suddenly: Drops out and lack of funding. Not even a mear MENTION of that happening from Shad! No update, nothing. Complete radio silence. The team had to do it for Him as well.....

[kindred holly]

"Mormon"
I am not a bigot, but being charitable towards homosexuals is not approval.

He has 6 kids though.
I think you are to hard on him.

[pure basalt]

this is what turned me off of KW and the whole shad thing there was a time when I was in a bad mental state during the 2016-2018 era when I was watching all the "anti woke" people

turns out watching nothing but people being angry all the time doesnt put one in a healthy mental state

and when KW started being all about being super angry at properties it was bringing me back to that place in the past and I just couldnt tune in anymore

[fast sluice]

And just to sprinkle in some pepper with the salt: I actually agree on a lot of points Shad brought up regarding "political" views (minus being a mormon, miss me with that religion).
On the other hand, when I want to watch people messing about with history and pop culture, I RATHER NOT listen to political ramblings, even if I agree.
You see, that kind of crap is coming from the taps now, and I primarily watch YT to AVOID IT.
Henceforth I dropped KW a few videos in when they started doing it, and got angry(er) at shad every time politics finds itself into his videos.

[balmy cipher]

I don't get what you mean by "but being charitable towards homosexuals is not approval"?
(Honest question)

[balmy cipher]

Well, gay people exist and them being in a relationship or existing isn't politics.
What I meant by "coded language" is how KW and the "Anti-Woke" grifters focus on the presence of LGBT people calling it "political", or giving the purposeful impression that they don't belong in popular media.
This is ofc absurd

I honestly think Shad is just very bad at communicating his opinions without getting emotional. I don't think he is actually a bigot and is a conservative (which is fine).

Though his anti-vax stuff is getting funny lol. Considering he is from Victoria, I am willing to bet who he votes for haha

[fast sluice]

Was about to counter you, but I just realized it would get into disputatio territory (to which you have no access now), so I'm gonna stop and recommend you doing so too (until you turn piss yellow, so I can redirect 😛 ).

[balmy cipher]

Yeah I've been referring it to the #noaccess channel lol

[balmy cipher]

I know we have stopped but I just wanted to say that I was trying to speak with kindness and that I didn't mean any offense if caused ❤️

I know this topic can cause passions to flair

[fast sluice]

I've been on the internet for one and a half decade now, most of it forums and chats that people nowadays call toxic, so I'm quite frankly desensitised at this point.

Hell, actually it'a going to be 20 years soon in october. Damn I'm old.

[balmy cipher]

Ha, yeah let's not bring age into the discussion please 🤣🤣
Nah, I've decided previously that I would try being nice and to take the other person honestly. So just wanted to put that across

[kindred holly]

I can not condone such things as a Catholic.
I am charitable towards homosexuals though.

[kindred holly]

My dude please stop with grifter terms.
Grifter means conman.
You can't grift if you believe what you are saying.
This is stupid.

[wet karma]

Go to #disputatio if you want to argue about it

[kindred holly]

I don't have a problem with saying you want gay people out of the spotlight. That is is fine.

It's not the same as saying you want to stone them like the Saudi's do.
I do not support that kind of stuff.

[kindred holly]

No Access.

[wet karma]

Well, then DMs

[kindred holly]

Eh.

[wet karma]

That kind of talk isn't meant for here

[kindred holly]

I have said my piece.

[brittle harness]

Thanks for being calm and cool with this convo but yeah, if you want to talk about that (which is fine, especially if you do it this calmly) please do it in #disputatio (for the serfs, you can reach that channel within an hour of chatting elsewhere) or do it in dms

Merci :)

[balmy cipher]

Ok, that seems to run counter to your comments but sure 🙂
The thing about respecting other people is that it has to work both ways ❤️

And with that, I'll log off for a bit

[minor gale]

Dethrone shad: disputatio for serfs xP

[balmy cipher]

#serfpride

The Rise of the World of Serfs 2: The EnSerfening

[red marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/marseillaise-gif-5744786

[fickle bay]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-carentan-101st-normandy-d-day-gif-21748675

[ionic quail]

Now that the monarch is overthrown, serf rights are a priority. So yes, free the potato

[wind nest]

Will the King Shad role be deleted?

[low meadow]

It should be. No need for it.

Is it still there?

[fickle bay]

I say that the Roses have come.

[minor gale]

King silimas will return and claim his rightful throne

[wet karma]

Yay cat-holic monarchy!

[wind nest]

Yes.

[rocky wren]

@balmy cipher has just advanced to level 9.

[fickle bay]

Tywin hasn't escaped justice for upsetting Godzilla.

[bleak trout]

more importantly will shad finally be removed from the hunger games

[low meadow]

Him and his team should be. More people!

[bleak trout]

some people who will actually interact with the games

[brittle harness]

That's on @dusty violet to decide (wisely hopefully)

[dusty violet]

Lol yeah I'll remove them from the list

Tbh I just took the line up from when honey was game master

[minor gale]

We should get more events going on here

[pallid halo]

Tsk tsk. You serfs forgot that I still exist.

And I'm hungry

[hearty linden]

That means one whould work so the ancient customs aren't lost

[dusty violet]

Join the #923283318705905704

[brittle harness]

and check https://discord.com/channels/454767470507589653/1273026282849828914 to suggest stuff

[minor gale]

Interesting, thanks!

[atomic orbit]

I'll pass judgement on this once I hear Shad's side of the story, I don't like taking things at face value as the truth is often far more complex.

[sullen venture]

Same, but I bet there wont be any Shad´s side of this story.

[balmy cipher]

Not unless we get the screenshots of him asking for server ownership

Either way he didn't (and still hasn't) cared enough to engage with the community here

[sullen cliff]

Dude has never showed up as long as I was here and I still don't even watch that guy lmao. I was just dragged into library

[minor gale]

As others have said, he really hasn't been involved with us. The fact that he hadn't said a single thing in here during all of this is evidence

[brittle harness]

yeah i mean if hed have send one message we'd been like "oh so you do want to be involved!" but... meh

[minor gale]

Right, I mean seriously. I don't mind YouTube discords, but he himself has proved this isn't one

[kindred sundial]

Pretty much anyone who's active on YouTube can't really afford to be on it much if it's open to the public

They have enough stuff on their plate

It only gets worse if they are like, youtuber + author etc etc

[balmy cipher]

Thats not true, I'm on a number of successful YouTuber Discord servers, who have other jobs aside from the YouTube work, a family and still interact with ppl on their community discord.
I'm not saying everyone is capable to it BUT to say that you aren't able to interact with your community because you are busy is not true just because you are a youtuber

I'm not saying he has to interact with us. I'm sure everyone agrees that people get busy and it's understandable but I think it's also fair to say that he took steps towards distancing himself from the discord a long time ago and now only wants involvement (ownership) when what little support here is being taken away from him.

[wind nest]

Yes, many youtubers engage with and manage their own communities. It's not a valid excuse, it's a choice Shad has made to be an absentee, non-managing figurehead.

He hasn't been active here in over 3, getting close to 4 years now. Not even popping in to plug his channel(s) or other projects.

[minor gale]

Was he even active before that?

[wind nest]

He has the Freeman role, so marginally better than a person who joins and just lurks.

[wet karma]

Once again, Shad isn't getting banned. He just loses his special title

[fast sluice]

If at all... it could've been done ANY TIME, takes about 3-5 seconds, dunno why mods are being so wishy-washy about the rebranding, even though it was announced to happen.

[low meadow]

Good question.

@clear ravine why is the king shad role still there, as well as why no temporary name replacement for the server?

[hollow tinsel]

fr why we still named shadiverse

name us Castleverse

that goes hard

[fast sluice]

there is actually a post with naming suggestions in #1278445435727646800 message

[hollow tinsel]

thx put it there

[atomic orbit]

Of what exactly? Some pretty heavy accusations have been leveled at Shad and the evidence amounts to 'he totally said that trust me bro' and I don't.

[hearty linden]

That's your right, and that skeptisism is a great approach. That said, I trust Pyro

[low meadow]

Hea y accusations?

[brittle harness]

"He wasn't here much and then demanded the server handed over when we thought about breaking off"

[grand ferry]

Honestly at this point let's just change the server name and boot Shad, he's just causing drama and being petty.

[fast sluice]

nah, it's good that he is taking the "loyalists" out of the woodworks, now we can count them by our hands

[kindred sundial]

Tbf, the anti-shad faction started this long before shad himself did...or any of his supporters. Either side saying "just leave" defeats the purpose of trying to have a discussion.

[fast sluice]

I'm just waiting on Pyro's response at this point. Preferably with the rest of the DMs because I'm 90% sure they continue.

[kindred sundial]

And ultimately, not really helpful. The other issues of concern can be addressed w/o deciding on the shad issue or not. Ofc...Shad may force the decision regardless.

[bitter reef]

I'm a more neutral party who hasn't been interested in Shad's videos in a while, but I'm not sure kicking him is a good idea. He may need a warning or mute if he takes it too far, but he currently isn't being any more disruptive than some of his detractors in this channel have been. I do think that losing the name is probably the best idea at this point, though.
I agree with Zolanius on needing more information. This whole situation has confused me from the start. All I can see is my own perspective, which has some level of sympathy toward both sides, but understands the folks who would rather move away from this being a Shad server a little better.

[clear ravine]

I at no point had any intention of kicking Shad

[hearty linden]

I may be biased, but I haven't seen Pyro throwing adjectives like "liar" or "fraud" towards Shad, that alone kinda sets my predisposition

Besides, I know not how curated the screens provided by Shad were

[bitter reef]

I probably should have been clearer, but yeah, I haven't seen any ill intent on your end. I've also been around long enough to know that this rebrand is far from coming out of nowhere, since I can remember Silimas, Princeps, Artorex, and other people who seemed reasonable discussing it months (maybe even years at this point) ago. I've just noticed some of the extreme serfs coming out of the woodworks after seeing this post. Probably one of the best things about a rebrand would be that the trolls with extreme views for or against Shad would lose interest and stop popping up.

[clear ravine]

And especially the last ones I don't find to be particularly positive on him lol

[hearty linden]

Well, I'd rather have him showing everything, even what paints him in an immediate poor light. That always implies honesty and integrity

[clear ravine]

I can be very open about the fact that that last message was indeed the last, he felt rude, demanding, and ignored any ask for context. To top it all off, he might not call it a threat but his sign off certainly came over as one

I can only ask for context that many times, and I'm not talking to a toddler am I

[fast sluice]

write the response! xD

[clear ravine]

Uhu

I'm sure people won't like it

Well these lil chats are good for it

because otherwise if you just lock yourself up and write a response it won't be nice lol

[hearty linden]

Aye, it's hard to do these without turning antagonistic

[clear ravine]

And also, you get reminded of some context things by what ppl are talking about here and in #1281270471031132262

[wind nest]

Thanks for the responses though. I'm sure it's a stressful time.

[balmy cipher]

Wait??? What did I miss?

[fast sluice]

go to the top of the post pyro linked

[balmy cipher]

Oh wow I missed that!

Everytime I go away for a couple of days this server shifts so much lol

[hearty linden]

And here I was wondering what did I do this time

[balmy cipher]

Sorry for the ping ❤️

[hearty linden]

It's ok, I won't kill you for now

[fast sluice]

I find it quite ironic how shad's sudden appearance increased server activity by an order of magnitude.
If he could've done this a couple more times in the past maybe we wouldn't have a zerg rush of angry serfs now.

[red marlin]

Zerglings dont count

[rotund current]

zergbros...

[pure basalt]

Hold the z key for two for the price of 50

Tbf I did rejoin after hearing the news I left originally cause being queer in the space seemed scary

[hollow tinsel]

Yeah another reason why shad must go. He has such a hatred for so many ppl that could be part of this Community otherwise

[brittle harness]

I absolutely understand that! Come to us in gatehouse, we generally don't mind who you love and if someone does, they're quiet about it or will be shut down quickly in my experience

That should be the standard everywhere, in all channels but I can definitely emphasise how it doesn't feel that way... 💜

[wind nest]

A few of us rejoined after the news.

[pure basalt]

Glad to know! Lost all me sword knowledge a while back and it'd be nice to relearn

[wind nest]

I just came here to talk RPGs with my buddy, Marcell.

[pallid halo]

Discussions like that belong in disputatio.

[sullen cliff]

Not really, there is no discussion to be had really.

[minor gale]

Arguments or psychological discussions about it do, but what about simply mentioning it?

[pallid halo]

Simply mentioning that you're against it can get you warned here. That's why I don't. I agreed to follow the rules and follow it I shall.

[minor gale]

Not in disputatio, surely

Since it falls under religious arguments, at the very least

[sullen cliff]

Because that's basically an insult, thinly veiled. Of course that isn't allowed and I think also against discord TOS

[minor gale]

The statement that you think something certain people do is wrong doesn't seem to me to be forbidden territory for a debate channel

Though IDK about discord TOS

But here I am, veering into dispute about what belongs in the disputation channel xD

[brittle harness]

mentioning that someone is queer (or however they want to address it) is not in any form potato-material. thats just relationship-status, something people talk about loosely often enough

if someone wants to talk about their opinion on it, then that is indeed potato, yes. which is one reason why we shut it down in gaehouse

[minor gale]

Are debates concerning the morality of LGBT lifestyles allowed in potato, at least? (Just saw the second message where you addressed this, nvm)

*discussions, I should say

[ionic quail]

Emphatically second this. Your identity and lifestyle preferences shouldn't be considered political

[balmy cipher]

People existing isn't political

[wind nest]

Not here for the argument, but that misspelling is hilarious.

[brittle harness]

LMAO

oops

[brittle harness]

As far as im up-to-date yes; as long as you follow these: #rules-and-regulations message as well as the normal rules in #info-old

[brittle harness]

yk what? ill keep it there considering how its clear its a misspelling xD
may make someone else laugh too

[sullen cliff]

I do wonder what morality would have to do with it but I don't enter potato so I should just google after work lol

[pallid halo]

That's what I mean

[hearty linden]

Long story short: some believe certain preferences are intrinsically right and other preferences are intrinsically wrong

The "how" or "why" is what falls into potato territory

[dusk grove]

Shadiversity - Shad = iversity

[hollow tinsel]

why is the name still not changed

[fast sluice]

Good question, that was asked many times already, and even spawned a full on post for name ideas as well.
It takes 15 seconds at most, and should've been the very first thing to do.

[wet karma]

A temporary name is necessary until full transition

[hollow tinsel]

i suggested multiple names and i know others did too

[wind nest]

Why don't you ask Pyro what the future timeframe for all this looks like?

[rocky wren]

@wind nest has just advanced to level 11.

[brittle harness]

pretty sure hes very busy with work as well

and cant really delegate those kinds of stuff to others

[wind nest]

I seem to recall that he does things over the weekend.

[bleak trout]

[kindred sundial]

Why...does it matter when the server name is changed lol

It'll happen when it happens and Pyro can get to it

[hearty linden]

It does feels like when there were those executions that required several axe chops to get the head off... and for now the head's still hanging by a bit of stretched flesh

[fast sluice]

The better question to ask pyro is WHY he has not changed it yet.
It's not that hard, takes MUCH less time than what he wasted on answering to all those people under shad's post, he had MANY opportunities to do so, and it was declared a couple times by pyro that the rebranding WILL HAPPEN, and there is no going back to shad now.
At this point it's quite obvious there is a reason behind why the name change hasn't happened yet (aside from not enough time, that isn't the issue as stated above). I hope it's not just some stupid thing like "people would be pissed off and leave".

[wind nest]

Probably one controversy at time, and dealing with the next issue next weekend.

[hearty linden]

Doing it, perhaps, as Shad was ranting here and some fans awakened from the lurking, it would have seemed heavy handed. Maybe Pyro's bidding his time and having some buffer between actions as Zeblinz mentions

[fast sluice]

Except, he could've done it the same time the icon was changed (and the serfs didn't emerge from the woodworks yet): it's the same page, in fact the two options are next to each other.

[wind nest]

[swift falcon]

It didn't even have to be a proper name. It could simply have been [Server Name WIP]

[wind nest]

I think you're a little late. Name has been changed.

[swift falcon]

only barely though :)

In my defense it still had the iverse part so my brain auto completed it :)

[hearty linden]

Well... it's less problematic than my suggestion

[low meadow]

Lol

[grand ferry]

Shad has been dethroned!

[fast sluice]

that took a hot minute

[hollow tinsel]

HAHAHAHA

IVERSE

i love it

[rotund current]

its so fucking over for shadcels

[hearty linden]

That's rather uncalled for, and while some fans may cross the line towards fanatism, the idea is to not antagonize those that remain that still enjoy his content

[brittle harness]

This! Please stay respectful on both ends!

And the middle top lol

[fickle bay]

🤔

[balmy cipher]

And the middle bottom?

[low meadow]

They can fuck around and find out😈

[hollow tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gif-13618771096516831524

[limpid kraken]

yet another case of double standards against two-dimensional folks

[dusk grove]

That's a skill issue to be honest.

And this is coming from a parallelogram.

So I know my stuff.

[bleak trout]

are we keeping the shad emojis?

or is it finally time to give the room to pepe?

[hearty linden]

Good point, I'm sure the server has enough lore to make it's own emoticons

[shy raft]

If y'all have any ideas for new emotes, drop them here: https://discord.com/channels/454767470507589653/1282085903308820542

[knotty dock]

I know this is a very old message... but he's a Mormon. Part of the cult personality IS being bigot.
Some have more or less tolerance, but they are raised with that.

Maybe less in Australia, as they lack the whole America centrism that Joseph Smith used to fund and spread his cult

So, the server is just iverse for now? 😂

[steel charm]

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1.1
1.2
1.4
1.7

[minor gale]

1.7, you say. Interesting

[mellow summit]

@knotty dock Please do not attack people based on their faith. The LDS are just as valid as any other major christian denomination.

[minor gale]

Aren't they technically not Christian? (Interested to continue in disputatio, just figured I'd respond where the message was sent)

[mellow summit]

They are non trinitarian Christians. But still Christians.

[minor gale]

Interesting. Wasn't aware they believed in the divinity of Christ, but I haven't researched them much

[dense skiff]

Time to move the convo to #disputatio

[median thistle]

Yep please do

[fickle bay]

🧐

[minor gale]

Continued in disputatio

[fickle bay]

You have to dm me old boy.

[minor gale]

About what, old bean?

[lethal fractal]

jfc, what on earth happened here? Going through all the pins, pings, and surrounding, but is this a good place to catch up on things?

[minor gale]

This plus shads response thread

[wind nest]

This has all the important messages. The rest is mostly just... noise.

#1281270471031132262 message

[minor gale]

Better answer than mine. Ignore what I said

[lethal fractal]

I thinks I gots a rundown? Correct me if I'm wrong
-Shad sees all the messages and threads critical to him in a server with his name attached, and wants ownership transferred to himself
-Pyro says no citing his lack of engagement
-Shad and Pyro go back and forth for a bit citing influence, engagement, prior agreements
-Shad says to "not make things messy", shit goes up in flames, Pyro labeled lair and fraud, server is rebranded

[wind nest]

I'm not sure if Shad stated that as a reason, but a lot of people suspect that is the real reason behind it—to remove people critical of him.

I believe what he stated in his response, was to ensure there wasn't another Devon situation, e.g. secret porn channels. However, as has been pointed out, Shad had admin privileges, and so no channels could be hidden from him.

So some find his stated reason to be dubious at best.

[bleak trout]

You have just angered all the other Christian denominations including the non denominational

[fickle bay]

🤫

We just settled this.

[bleak trout]

Ey I'm just saying he pissed off 1 billion people, he's free to be wrong

[wind nest]

How is it you read the conversation but missed the part where the mod said to move the conversation to #disputatio?

[bleak trout]

Might have read that after as that's how discord works and I'm also not continuing the conversation

[mellow summit]

Here is it's continuing point in the other channel. #disputatio message

[mellow summit]

@red marlin I think the roles are broken here. Freeman is the role needed to see the courthouse set of channels right?

[bleak trout]

Je but I said something they didn't like so

[rotund current]

jannie'd

[bleak trout]

[brittle harness]

Might be potatobanned

[ionic quail]

Why not make the name The Castle or Castleverse now, instead of iverse?

We can still change it later if we come up with a better one

[knotty dock]

Luckily for us, screenshoots mister Brooks provided, show the messages about Devon are like from 2018 or something

I have more messages than him in this server, and I'm not active basically at all

[wind nest]

I phrased it that way in case I missed anything when casually skimming his message.

[wind nest]

Maybe we could have an unannounced poll?

I think that was brought up before, that tagging everyone would alert people who aren't really invested in the server.

[hollow tinsel]

agree

those who care will vote

[ionic quail]

Also I think #voting is limited to people with Freeman role and up

So we shouldn’t get a huge number of people who never check here

[minor gale]

What's wrong with the iverse? I think it's a pretty funny placeholder

[ionic quail]

Nothings wrong but since the name can be changed anytime, may as well jump to one of the actual candidates imo

[minor gale]

I guess it seems like pyro has a lot to do already, so it might be best to wait until we're ready to choose a permanent name

But I guess one of the other mods could set up the vote

[knotty dock]

I think it's good to wait

It's not necessary to do things fast

There are still people coming to this, give it a good month

[ionic quail]

Eh, sooner is probably better in terms of other things though. We need to formally break with Shad - staying in limbo just increases his grievances against us

[fast sluice]

If that's the problem, then what should actually happen is the #info-old should have his logo removed, and the text redone to not imply the server is connected in any way, shape or form to him.
Plus merge #shad-video-updates to #content-creators , and #the-shadlands be either moved there too... or just removef tbh. It's his PERSONAL channel, nothing to do with the server's theme.
One of the reasons behind this whole thread was to not give him any more preferential treatment.

[wind nest]

And remove the King role.

[fast sluice]

yeah, that too (why is it still there??!)

[low meadow]

@clear ravine time to finish the clean up this weekend, today is Friday after all. Plenty of somewhat quick loose ends to tie up😁

[hearty linden]

Imagine having a long week, planning on chilling and then reembering about the server xD

[low meadow]

Lmfao yeah...but leaving things half assed isn't good either

[hearty linden]

🤫

[wind nest]

At least he does more than just be an inactive figure head.

[clear ravine]

I've been working on a new info

Got on a sidequest in #reports because I was linking to it and it had become quite the mess ahah

[pallid halo]

Late to the party, but being non-trinitarian makes them heretical and definitely not Christian. I'll go to potato now.

[brittle harness]

thanks

next time, please screenshot, ping and link instead of answering here

[balmy cipher]

ooOo so that's what the Devon situation was

[minor gale]

Yep. Pretty bad thing, especially on the server of a traditional Mormon. Whatever your views on Porn (though I'd say it certainly doesn't belong in a server like this), it's a huge betrayal of trust

[balmy cipher]

Yeah absolutely! I'm pretty sex positive but jeeze that's a bit crazy

[ionic quail]

The funny part is most people knew and weren’t all that bothered, but a guy (who I think was once banned for posting nsfw himself) snitched to Shad

[wet karma]

Imho NSFW channels are fine as long as people can opt out of it (by default)

[hollow tinsel]

based

[wind nest]

Not sure if anyone else saw, he's no longer the king.

[low meadow]

I did not! Excellent

[hearty linden]

Me neither, he's one of us now, which I think it's fair

[balmy cipher]

I guess so, I used to be in a guild discord that has a NSFW channel, I opted out cause I liked to choose when I saw that kinda stuff.
Problem was it kept "leaking" over to the other channels. You have be strict with it for it to work

[wet karma]

All servers with NSFW channels I've been in is good at keeping them in their own channels

Don't post NSFW or get topics to NSFW adjacent in normie channels is the rule

[hearty linden]

"normie" xD

I don't see the need for nsfw everywhere, specially when the argument for it is "it's everywhere anyways" (thus, you can go anywhere else to find and/or discuss it then xD)

[sullen cliff]

Tbh, I think this server is a little too broad for that and gets too many serfs.

[ionic quail]

And this server also has nothing to do with any nsfw topics

[sullen cliff]

Stupid sexy swordfs

[ionic quail]

The only thing we could consider doing is being a bit more tolerant when it comes to memes or creative work. But I don’t see who would need actual adult content here lol

[wet karma]

Yeah

More lenient towards lewd humour in library (bring back cafe) isn't the same as a channel for content straight out of e6 which is better for more crowded servers

[fast sluice]

slowly, gently
this is how a crown is taken... FOR SOME REASON!

[ionic quail]

I nominate Pyro for King

[fast sluice]

I nominate to not have a king at all.

In fact, it may be the case already.

[ionic quail]

That's cos the role was called King Shad. Pyro can just make a new one

He's already Duke. May as well rank up. Why not

[fast sluice]

Considering how absentee and slow going pyro's work is... how about not having to do this again? 😄

[sullen cliff]

Have an empty throne

[ionic quail]

It's not a lot of work. And it's just a role really. Since he has been owner since the end of 2018, why not

[low meadow]

Keep it as empty as during the lionhearts reign in England....the new king is gallivanting across France and the holy land. Never to return.🤣

[ionic quail]

Then we end up with the whole Robin Hood Sherrif of Nottingham thing

[hearty linden]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-men-in-tights-kiss-mwah-gif-16699832

[low meadow]

We found Robin hood.

Who's gonna play as the sheriff?

[fickle bay]

Not me

[atomic orbit]

Oh, is this little farce still ongoing?

[rocky wren]

@atomic orbit has just advanced to level 4.

[atomic orbit]

Yay me!

[fickle bay]

Hi

[fast sluice]

What farce? That would imply things ain't happening, which they do.

[ionic quail]

For legal reasons this is a 1 frame GIF not a meme

[fickle bay]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-wars-clone-wars-fleet-republic-fleet-battle-of-scipio-venator-fleet-gif-21637667

[minor gale]

I think the thing with Devon though, was that this was still in Shad's name at that point. And Shad is a conservative mormom who would never want that associated with him

[wet karma]

And most active users here don't want to be associated with him after his awful takes, and as I mentioned before some of them could get him in jail in many EU countries

[minor gale]

Good thing for him he doesn't live in the EU I suppose. The point is, we were associated with him at that point (well, the server was). Different situation now, sure, but back then Devon had a responsibility not to do something like that

[fast sluice]

*in his own country
that whole sharing private conversation thing for starters is forbidden by australian law

[wet karma]

Yeah that too

[minor gale]

I thought Lied was referring to his religious/political views more than that

[fickle bay]

What?

[waxen jackal]

This situation clearly shows why that is a bad law

[hearty linden]

Nah

[ionic quail]

I don’t really care about his views. I knew what they probably were given his identity and occupation, but respected that the policy of his channel was to avoid being overtly ideological in favour of making good content

Now the content is cheap political stuff. His views don’t matter - it’s the decline in content style. For me at least

[bleak trout]

Shit even as someone who agrees with allot of his views it's annoying to have a channel just so he can vent them over and over.

Like go be an anti woke channel not a Knight's channel that implies talking about sword fights or the armor in shows/movies, and historical inaccuracies I love those.

Also let tyranth talk!!

[vagrant raft]

That's not a law in Australia.

[wind nest]

It's going quite well actually. The server has been making good changes. I think there was one guy who passive-aggressively quit, telling everyone he was deleting his comments.

[minor gale]

Is there a reason this thread is still open, anyway?

[wind nest]

For fun.

[fast sluice]

Someone brought up the Privacy Act. Have fun searching for it in the close thread, because I sure wont. 😛

[fast sluice]

To pester pyro to finish the job mostly.

[balmy cipher]

Yeah Tyranth has the patience of a saint haha

[bleak trout]

Is he married? He seems married

[balmy cipher]

Married to that job lol

[ornate rapids]

Us mods will be stewards of Iverse, instead of raising ourselves up above to be Lords and Kings we will keep ready the throne to honor a bygone era. Iverse has no king. Iverse needs no king.

[kindred sundial]

I propose we have a sword in the stone server meme to highlight the fact we have no king

Till the King cometh

[ornate rapids]

I mean, I was referencing Minas Tirith, but Camelot works too I suppose.

[kindred sundial]

Hmm, I do like that you were referencing Minas Tirith

Could do a white tree instead lol

[knotty dock]

Emh... do you follow One Piece? And if you do, how close to the latest official release (manga or anime)?

[fickle bay]

Anime

[knotty dock]

The ||Empty Throne|| as already been presented there months ago

Almost one year, thinking about it

[knotty dock]

I'm not a lawyer, especially in Australia, but that kind of laws across the world don't really protect chats between two people on a platform.

Privacy is in a context of someone talking to a professional and giving private information, like your lawyer, or a doctor.

They can't use or share that information, either because they can hurt your case, or being embarrassing, and damage the reputation.

Then we have GDPR in EU where every personal data is automatically protected and cannot be collected, examines, or shared even to third parties, even if it's relevant to the service given, without explicit consent, and that data must be deleted if requested.

[sullen cliff]

The anime. And yes, very related

[balmy cipher]

Its also incredibly difficult to enforce. (Against private people)

You are going to attempt to sue someone on discord for sharing private posts.
That means you have to engage a solicitor, get them to get discord to request the ISP to release personal information (which in itself is dependent on where that person lives), so you can serve them papers in ... an Australian court?
That just wouldn't happen

[wind nest]

Knowing the address may not even be necessary depending on the court. They may allow substituted service.

It's not like a court case goes nowhere just because a person can't be found to be served.

[hollow tinsel]

In all of the EU private chats on all platforms are protected under article 7 of their Charta. It is strictly forbidden to share content of private chats without all parties consenting. And in Australia its the same, as an australian here pointed out earlier

[balmy cipher]

Yeah but how is that actually going to be enforced?

[hollow tinsel]

If a violation is reported and proof of it is presented that goes to court real quick

[balmy cipher]

Hmm maybe my thoughts on how it's a waste of time is colouring what I'm thinking then

I guess it's a good thing and I'm usually in favor of this type of stuff

Actually, I have no idea what my issue with this is now haha

[hollow tinsel]

I think its a good thing to have as a possibility. Like most times u share this stuff its unproblematic, with friends or sum. But to have this Tool and then the law on your side if someone tries to spread stuff with malicious intent is nice to have

And (only speaking from my experience in germany) its enforced pretty rigorously

[balmy cipher]

Thats the good thing about the EU tbf

As an Aussie living in the UK ...

[hollow tinsel]

its got its upsides

[knotty dock]

It doesn't work like that. You have to share private data

[hollow tinsel]

Nop. All private communication is protected

[knotty dock]

No

You can keep saying that all you want, it's not going to become true

If I say to you, in a private chat, that my father is hill or something, it's protected because it's something personal.
If I talk to you about how cool is Picasso, it's not

It's the content that matters

At the same, if the content of the message is about something illegal

[hollow tinsel]

The general data protection regulation (GDPR) is applied to personal data yes. thats what you are on about. The more recently passed EU ePrivacy Directive also protects chats in itself if one or more parties of the chat oppose it being shared. It is a big discussion rn because they have now passed a law to allow chats being regularily scanned for terrorist or pedophile acticity. But the discussion about this new law only exists because the ePrivacy Directive protects all chat contents

[knotty dock]

It is a big discussion rn because they have now passed a law to allow chats being regularily scanned for terrorist or pedophile acticity
No, this isn't happened

[hollow tinsel]

It was passed on July 6th

[knotty dock]

No, it didn't

That's not what it says

[hollow tinsel]

oh wait my info is outdated

sry

wait

[knotty dock]

And it's also a different topic, this is not someone sharing a private conversation, but a provider wiretapping

[hollow tinsel]

yeah it was taken back and is in discussion again now

[hollow tinsel]

yes but its also blocked by the dierctive protecting all pricvarte chats

[knotty dock]

Again, that depends on the content of the conversation, like the example I gave above

[rotund current]

tbh if you care enough to go legal about something as petty as DMs you're like

[knotty dock]

This is like those who say you can't talk about the content of an NDA you DIDN'T sign

[hollow tinsel]

No. just NO. the general privacy of correspondence that you know from physical letters is applied to all online communication in the EU

[knotty dock]

That's different... that's wiretapping

Stop conflating the two cases

[hollow tinsel]

Sharing without consent of all corresponding parties is also not allowed

[knotty dock]

It depends on data, as I explained

But you keep talking about spying

A third party spying on someone else conversation

[hollow tinsel]

i keep talking abt both bcs both isnt dependant on what data is shared

[hollow tinsel]

no it does not matter whatsoever

its obviously worse for you if u share private data bcs then there are more laws on yo ass

there is a good phd thesis from the University of amsterdam out there analyzing digital com protection in the Eu up until 2015. can google it its a nice read

[knotty dock]

Oh well, we are going in circles... but it depends on the contents.

[hollow tinsel]

yes we are

[pearl depot]

If you want to continue this back-and-forth, you are welcome to do so in #disputatio

[minor gale]

No, don't send it to us xD

[limpid kraken]

nope, it's the kiddy corner for you

[vagrant raft]

That Australian lied to you, or was misinformed.

[pearl depot]

The discussion has already been redirected. Please do not continue it here.

[vagrant raft]

Redirected to good ol' no access

[fickle bay]

#1281683054708002918 or #reports if you are interested in discussing it.

[wind nest]

Need to level up by participating in the server.

[fickle bay]

Or that

[minor gale]

Probably that lol

Of all our rules, that one is on point imo