UserK thread

[hasty solstice]

why is recursive false here, what sets it to false?

like, its not like the entire file is rerun when the function calls itself, no?

[gray haven]

who set it to true?

it called spawn_fn

[hasty solstice]

oh

you shouldnt use spawn_fn to do it???

[gray haven]

why not?

why cant a spawn fn spawn something from a list

[hasty solstice]

why are you using spawn_fn to recursively call??? yeah if you bypass the recursion you bypass the recursion

[gray haven]

that seems a useful thing to do

[hasty solstice]

yeah you can but you should probably set recursion yourself, maybe i should add it to global so you can manually control that stuff

[gray haven]

this is a useful thing to do and also the design is just bad even ignoring the issue

[gray haven]

or you can get rid of the recursion value

and have seeded and unseeded variants

[hasty solstice]

theres already a method to make a nested table system, if you want it in a function why wouldnt you just make your own logic?

load_entity_from_list is what you're intended to use

[gray haven]

what if i want more than 1?

and complex behaviour to decide how many

[hasty solstice]

then you would presumably want to make your own function for this????

[gray haven]

say i want to load 3 things from small_enemies and 1 from big enemies

[gray haven]

if you just dont design the api in a bad way it works perfectly fine

[hasty solstice]

why are you spawning enemies on item pedestals now????

[gray haven]

ok small_reward and big reward

[hasty solstice]

this is why i was hesitant to ask you for help on this 😔

[gray haven]

global mutable state like this just isnt a good idea

i dont know why you wont just do things the obviously better way

[hasty solstice]

i was gonna change it cuz you made a good point about wanting to not have it seeded potentially but honestly i think im done im just gonna leave the script as-is

its functional and thats all i care about fn

[gray haven]

i mean it doesnt work right but whatever

[hasty solstice]

it works right for 99% of standard cases, to my knowledge that 1% doesnt exist yet, so i dont care enough to put up conversing further about it to resolve a currently nonexistent scenario

[gray haven]

doing it correctly is easier than the way you currently are

and publishing a library with known easy to fix bugs is just silly

people dont want to debug the library not working

[hasty solstice]

hence why im deciding to not release it, at least rn

im just gonna use it for my own internal CC purposes

also i imagine by the time someone actually encounters that issue, they would be able to explain it normally

[gray haven]

?

likely they wont notice

because it just silently does the wrong thing with rng

so you end up with a vanilla chest situation or w/e where a lot of outcomes just arent possible / have altered probabilities

[dawn parcel]

dont forget to make it all 1 line

[hasty solstice]

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)```

geh cant pin msgs in my own thread, wretched

[pallid magnet]

just add it to moddev bot or smth

[hasty solstice]

i dont think i have faq perms lmao

[gray haven]

??

@novel plinth resolve this at once

[hasty solstice]

and i wanted to keep it pinned so i could post it in workshop comments- though FaQ would be convenient

[gray haven]

.workshoptags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: nathansnail)**

tags in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

neato

[novel plinth]

tell discord to add a permission to let people pin things in their threads

[hasty solstice]

ill just do that whenever i need to grab it to paste in some mod desc

[hasty solstice]

yeah it would be nice if discord allowed that

[pallid magnet]

just mod the modders

[gray haven]

faq

[hasty solstice]

oh

hang on

[hasty solstice]

@wise anchor

lmao

[gray haven]

?

ah i see

[hasty solstice]

did i really never catch that one? im sure i wouldve checked graham's things among other top mods

[gray haven]

"Grahams Perks" isnt tagged as adding perks

how can this be

[hasty solstice]

no

every other tag is invalid

perks is the only valid tag

[gray haven]

oh?

[hasty solstice]

yeah steam is weird its the other way around

[gray haven]

makes sense for grahams perks

yeah thats really strange

[hasty solstice]

✅

[gray haven]

id think that perks would be borked and the others are fine

steam bug?

[hasty solstice]

as the faq says, the incorrect ones are the ones listed under Tags:

idk all invalid tags seem to go under there- i assume its intended, just somewhat unintuitive

[gray haven]

.workshop apoth

[dusky mist]

Apotheosis

Apotheosis is a massive content mod which expands upon EVERYTHING.
134 new enemies!
6 new bosses!
84 new spells!
7+ new biomes!
18+ new materials!
New Endings!
Perks, Items, structures, Secrets, Music, and more!

View on Steam

Tags

creatures, perks, spells, gameplay, audio, biomes, bosses, graphics, items, funny, alchemy, total conversions

Author

Conga Lyne

Subscriptions

68901

[hasty solstice]

like Tags: refers to custom community tags, and then the actual tags are not listed as anything cuz they are maybe moreso designations? idk steam weird

apotheosis is correct

[gray haven]

.workshop graham

[dusky mist]

Graham's Enemy Dialogue

This is an entirely cosmetic mod that allows (nearly) every enemy in the game to speak by displaying text above their head!
All enemies have their own unique lines of dialogue, and they'll react to what's going on around them.
There are tons of unique interactions to be found and explored!

...

View on Steam

Tags

quality of life, graphics, Funny

Author

GrahamBurger

Subscriptions

11938

[gray haven]

.workshop graham things

[novel plinth]

Funny

[dusky mist]

Graham's Things

Update 1.5 - the FINAL MAJOR UPDATE?
Check the wiki page for changelogs and a full mod explanation. (WIP!)
(Steam might get mad about this link, so copy and paste it into your browser.)
https://noita.wiki.gg/wiki/Mod:Graham's_Things

...

View on Steam

Tags

perks, gameplay, spells, alchemy, items, streaming integration, quality of life, creatures

Author

GrahamBurger

Subscriptions

11177

[gray haven]

noitabotti knows

[pallid magnet]

but you can see the spaces before tags

amusing

[gray haven]

if you click the borked tags it searches correctly but that mod doesnt show up

[hasty solstice]

lmao i did inform him before

[pallid magnet]

because it can't stringmatch

[hasty solstice]

he just forgor

[gray haven]

this is surely a steam issue

[pallid magnet]

not sure frankly

[hasty solstice]

enemy dialogue also incorrect

[pallid magnet]

feels like it shouldn't even accept incorrect tags

maybe nolla

[hasty solstice]

nah its convenient for community tags

i tag CC with X translation for the langs we support

[pallid magnet]

which you can't search?

[hasty solstice]

p sure you can

[pallid magnet]

try it, idk

[hasty solstice]

yup

you can search community tags

this is portuguese brazillian translation

[pallid magnet]

hm

so search strips spaces, but upload doesn't

yeah, looks like steam issue

[hasty solstice]

on one hand this should probs be fixed in the nolla workshop uploader

[gray haven]

report it or something

[hasty solstice]

on the other hand this is really funny

[jaunty eagle]

lmao the double snail tag

[hasty solstice]

yup

i saw fairmod had incorrect tags earlier this year so i added correct ones :D

[hasty solstice]

ps @jaunty eagle i was just thinking i might spread this standard to apoth, i assume you dont have an issue?

[pallid magnet]

no dlc tag?

[jaunty eagle]

Oh that makes sense

[hasty solstice]

truee

[jaunty eagle]

Apoth already has the workshop page translated into different languages so it would make sense to throw the relevent tags up too

[hasty solstice]

ill throw that in a pr rq then

[jaunty eagle]

kaay

[pallid magnet]

i still lol at the fact that apo confused cat and dog in jp translation

[jaunty eagle]

Remember to include English

[pallid magnet]

or smth like that

[jaunty eagle]

Wait really?

lmao

[hasty solstice]

on the topic lmao

[pallid magnet]

i don't remember if i fixed it or left as meme

[jaunty eagle]

ah yeah, that

I'm pretty sure that's since been fixed

[hasty solstice]

i hate my country sometimes

[jaunty eagle]

Oh right

[hasty solstice]

genuinely not allowed to view any image in workshop descriptions lmao

[pallid magnet]

just move to ireland brub

[jaunty eagle]

I think I made a PR uploading the workshop pics to github

And I'm pretty sure steam supports that

Let me check

[hasty solstice]

if it does im 100% stealing your method for CC

[jaunty eagle]

kaay

[jaunty eagle]

Does the 2nd image load for you here?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3032128572

top image is imgur
bot image is github

[novel plinth]

https://share.evaisa.dev/Sw2-JLuQx.png

box too small :(

[hasty solstice]

W

[jaunty eagle]

Hell yeah

I'll redirect all the image links to github then

[hasty solstice]

genuinely baffling how our government did this and then refused to even consider backing out after we got over half a million signatures asking to repeal it

[pallid magnet]

wasn't gitgub blocked in some country

gitgub

[hasty solstice]

is it?

[pallid magnet]

i vaguely remember hearing about it

[hasty solstice]

hold on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub

[pallid magnet]

open source bad

[hasty solstice]

thats true

[jaunty eagle]

huh

[pallid magnet]

well, you can still use direct steam url

[hasty solstice]

this is 2019

[jaunty eagle]

What do you mean?

[pallid magnet]

upload to steam

[hasty solstice]

In all of these cases, GitHub has been eventually unblocked after backlash from users and technology businesses or compliance from GitHub.

[jaunty eagle]

I think I remember trying that at one point but I remember it not working

[pallid magnet]

but it will clutter the screenshots

[hasty solstice]

it seems like github is not blocked it any country rn i think

i suppose you could make the change and then see if anyone brings up issues with the images?

[pallid magnet]

some govs are stoopid, what can you do

[jaunty eagle]

Oh, it works, I'd just need to upload to the artwork tab prooobably

[pallid magnet]

idk if you can use your own screenshots

[hasty solstice]

it would be convenient

[pallid magnet]

am not guru in steam

[jaunty eagle]

It looks like I can use any random steam screenshot/artwork

[hasty solstice]

i think github should work and would probs be easier to manage, but if it works it works

ill probs switch CC to use github until i hear about it causing issues

[jaunty eagle]

I think github might be the most reliable image host available, apparently the version of steam the rest of the world uses isn't accessible and only a special version of steam is in china; and I imagine no country would want to block github for long

[hasty solstice]

got it, yeah sounds good

https://github.com/Conga0/Apotheosis/pull/81

[jaunty eagle]

huh

[hasty solstice]

did i make a mistake?

[jaunty eagle]

I think it'd be easiest to understand for native speakers if the translations were written down as they would be in their native language

[hasty solstice]

mmm thats fair

[jaunty eagle]

I think the message can be gotten across without adding translation onto each language too, but that's more just me

[hasty solstice]

thats a good point, ill probs ask CC translators for tag names later

mmm i just felt X translation better clarified

if its considered too wordy it can be removed

though do lmk

[jaunty eagle]

I could see it going either way honestly

[hasty solstice]

geh

graham's things doesnt document its github anywhere

not on steam desc, wiki, or #1020421214176551033 post

[pallid magnet]

wasn't it private til recently

[jaunty eagle]

huh.. I don't know if graham uses github

[pallid magnet]

or he forgor again

[jaunty eagle]

I'm having trouble finding him on any other noita projects, I would've thought he'd make at least one PR to something like fairmod

[pallid magnet]

ah, im confusing with advanced inv

[jaunty eagle]

Found it

@hasty solstice https://github.com/GrahamBurgers/grahamsperks

[hasty solstice]

W thx

[jaunty eagle]

[hasty solstice]

lovely lmao

[jaunty eagle]

pft

[hasty solstice]

ah wait i already had it grabbed whoops lmao

[jaunty eagle]

Oh yeah, how are the bubbles going btw?

oh lmao

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah i was gonna look over how they spawn today

im planning on making a list of biomes and the bubbles that spawn for each, but then got sidetracked by all this lmao

[jaunty eagle]

huh

[hasty solstice]

ill finish this up, then finish up bubbles and then work on the thing i wanted to add to CC

[jaunty eagle]

Alright

I'll look over the github pr in the morning since it's half past midnight; there's no issues with it but it's an excuse to let you mess with things if you end up changing your mind about stuff while I'm in bed

[hasty solstice]

sure 👍

after i add the feature im gonna ping the translators so they can translate the untranslated stuff in CC and ill ask them for translation tag names when i do that

[hasty solstice]

fuck i have a question about the bubbles but i think conga's already gone

im just gonna collapse the bubble spawns into one type rather than big vs small enemies i think, ill make bubbles big probably

[jaunty eagle]

Some biomes only have a small enemy spawn group & heaven has an entirely unique pair of spawn group names

[hasty solstice]

interesting, probs doesnt affect much for what im doing tho

[jaunty eagle]

Hey @hasty solstice, while you're doing apoth compat on CC's end, you can gsub in light oil & heavy oil from CC into these two files to have those materials work with oily material hex

[hasty solstice]

what is this doing?

if its providing heavy/light oil there probs isnt much of a point

if its for detecting them tho it makes more sense

[jaunty eagle]

Ah right sorry, this is a status effect which causes the victim to take damage from oil & oil-like substances

yeah

It's for detecting the liquids

[hasty solstice]

oooooooooo got it yeah ill go ahead and do that

[jaunty eagle]

[wheat zenith]

you can thank me userk for not letting conga incidentally make this a lil harder to append to 👍

I remembyered the one mod that adds an oil variant to the game

[hasty solstice]

hell yeah lmao

first apoth compat lmao

[wheat zenith]

maybe now the industrial hex spell will finally see some use!
-# ...probably not lol

[hasty solstice]

would "Grease" make sense here perhaps?

[jaunty eagle]

Probably

[wheat zenith]

yeah probably

[hasty solstice]

got it, thats a mat that would show up significantly more often than oil lmao

mmm, mildly wretched appending, may take a look at apoth code tomorrow to see if i can make it slightly more coherent to append to while making it still work well on its own

oh apparently i forgor to make a pr for my minor utils improvements

i got sidetracked by someone playing fairmod for a good chunk of today so ill do the bubble stuff and whatnot hopefully tomorrow

[wheat zenith]

I wonder who that was..

[hasty solstice]

i wonder lmao

now leave me as i go and post completely unrelated mamumimi fairmod clips in #1293148865943310388

[hasty solstice]

hm, would checking for the Oiled status with GameGetGameEffectCount() not be more ideal?

[gray haven]

i think that function didnt work right with children?

[jaunty eagle]

Likely what Nathan said, I don't remember why I chose my method but remember using it for a reason

[gray haven]

it only checks direct children of the entity

not all children

so if you hold kiuaskivi or whatever it wont detect that if you call it on player

CRITICAL_HIT_BOOST in projectile shooting function seems to be the only engine code that uses the same approach

Lua::GameGetGameEffect does it correctly

[hasty solstice]

Goot it

[gray haven]

maybe document that?

[hasty solstice]

You can

On phone rn

[hasty solstice]

i came up with new Parallel Parity feature creep so maybe this time i can actually finish the mod

after i finish bubbles stuff for apoth

writing it down so i dont forget, 1: see if i can say which PW we're in on the "Entered West/East XXX" like "Entered East/West [biomename] [distance from MW in PWs]"

2: spawn return rift on entering a portal back to Main World from a PW

[wise anchor]

Healthy Exploration stocks rising

[hasty solstice]

hm? wdym?

or do you just mean the concept lmao

[pallid magnet]

"entered biome" is hardcoded

[hasty solstice]

can we not interrupt the GamePrintImportant call? its engine?

[pallid magnet]

well, it's not called from lua side

[hasty solstice]

yeah thats what i meant

[pallid magnet]

have to go unsafe for it

[hasty solstice]

GamePrintImporant is just an easy way to refer to godprints

then i remembered godprint

[wise anchor]

well assuming it counts as a new biome (new biome name) each time

[hasty solstice]

thats a shame, wouldve been nice to mess with

[hasty solstice]

is East Desert considered diff from Desert?

[pallid magnet]

yeah

#mod-development message

[gray haven]

delete the different biome names and implement them in lua

[hasty solstice]

!!!!!!!!!!!!

what would this entail actually?

i probs wont cuz i think itd break compatibility with mods that rely on it

but if not for that i totally would

[gray haven]

for child = each child in biomes all edit file child name = "NONE"

and then in the biome entered script you just print

[hasty solstice]

yeah the latter part i guessed, mmm yeah it sounds like itd break things

[gray haven]

doubtful

what would it break

better idea: change the Entered: translation to be blank

[pallid magnet]

it will break scripts that tracks biome names

e.g. healthy explorer

for blank translation it probably still will show the window or just throw errors

[hasty solstice]

and also mods might get biome names for stuff by, yknow, grabbing the biome names?

[pallid magnet]

just use my mod to track pos 👍

[wise anchor]

i know I sure do

the results might be amusing though

[hasty solstice]

true, but breaking any sort of compatibility is something i really wanna avoid with Parallel Parity lmao

[dawn parcel]

rare instance of nathers ignoring any sort of mod compat :o

[hasty solstice]

ill probs leave the PW number logging on biome enter in the todo under "Technical Limitations" in case a way to circumvent this is discovered/implemented in the future, or if i choose to get into unsafe modding proper

uh oh, wheres my feature creep list for parallel parity

its either not pushed to github yet or i failed to properly write it down

ill check my local build when im on my computer just to make sure

[gray haven]

didnt think it would break things 😔

[hasty solstice]

pre-release

• making Summon Portal questline stuff work in PW
• mod support
• get mod settings functional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  post-release
• better Spatial Awareness PW counter
• Moon Radar works in PW
• Return Rifts on entering portal from PW to Main World
• Shadow Kolmi
• Shadow variants of other bosses

this should be p much my entire todo list of unimplemented features

[gray haven]

shadow kolmi ‽

what will you do about farming sampo

[dawn parcel]

the kolmi from deep end

bosses in deep end are goofy, if you dont kill some other boss before some stronger boss, its literally impossible to kill the stronger boss

[gray haven]

how literal is this literal?

[hasty solstice]

easy: you dont get sampo

[dawn parcel]

its not super important cause you could end up duping sampos anyway

[hasty solstice]

yeah, but also shadow bosses arent gonna grant any rewards, in order to be in-line with vanilla

though i might add a mod setting to toggle quest rewards from a few so that you can like, recover the key if its destroyed or smth like that

[gray haven]

alchemist is already in pw

[hasty solstice]

specifically thinking about how easily people destroy the key

[gray haven]

the issue is the machines cant be used multiplle times correctly

[hasty solstice]

yeah, this is based off of Alchemists and Wand Connoisseurs- or do you mean regular alchemists spawn in PWs?

if thats the case ill need to think about what to do about that

[hasty solstice]

hmmm, bizarre noita bug, ik qol fixes that but i probs wont, users can rely on qol mod to fix that

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle back to working on bubbles, do they always have this as their progression icon? if so, might be better to instead have a white bubble since we intend to use potioncomp to recolour them based on material rather than having forced preset sprites (will throw in an option for custom sprites btw in case any need it)

[wheat zenith]

then that means the default material is milk

[jaunty eagle]

They always have this as their progression icon, I'd like the icon to be a recognisable bubble liquid like acid or freezing liquid

[hasty solstice]

hmmm fair enough, ill leave it then- i actually was expecting acid and was concerned changing the icon would be unavoidable but it seems it doesnt derive this from the SpriteComponent so i should be able to change this without changing the progression icon

[jaunty eagle]

👍

[hasty solstice]

ill make a white ver of acid bubble rq assuming there are no plans to make new sprites

[jaunty eagle]

None

[hasty solstice]

well even if there were it wouldnt matter now that i think about it lmao

[wheat zenith]

NOT IF IIII HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT...!!!!

.......which I don't particuarly...

one of the sprites I shall hold off on due to its age in the mod...

[hasty solstice]

back to working on bubbles, oooo potion comp seems to read from material inventory by default, that makes sense and is very handy! dont need to actually do any data setting at all

mmmm colouring looks good on this fn imo, feel free to tweak

@jaunty eagle the only difference between acid bubble and acid bubble GC is this script marked as DEBUG/GC_Test.lua, should these be included in the bubble pool? if i get everything else out the way first before you're around ill add them and just wait to hear if i should remove them

[jaunty eagle]

The GC acid bubble is used for some NG+ & hardcore biomes

[hasty solstice]

noted

[hasty solstice]

geh, distractions, the eternal enemy, will surely get back to bubbles tomorrow (tomorrow being today, it is currently 6:34am im sleeping first)

[hasty solstice]

geh okau

test

hmm, idk if these are going through, device is struggling to load discord stuff, its being very slow on loading lmao

geh

loaded now

everything sent after it loaded, thank you discord, how helpful

anyway okay i think im gonna put in an effort to release Parallel Parity this week

ive been sitting on it for some 8 months now, basic functionality was written and working within a week, i had the mod useable withing just 2 or 3, since then i have rewritten it to be much better but the gaps between me working on it grew exponentially greater with each commit, im gonna try to wrap up this long-overdue release

[hasty solstice]

here is my list, i can probably throw Return Rifts into the release- a nice bit of feature creep to better interest me in the project once again

i might give up doing a clean version of summon portal compat and be less reserved about the parts i rewrite

idk ill take another look at it, the main thing that absolutely needs to work for release is mod settings, i couldnt find a clean way to do mod settings in the lovely modular way i liked so ill just half-ass it fn and i can clean it up some other time

then mod support should be simple? i just need to move around some stuff into specific function calls, need to find the last point in init _pixel_scenes.xml can be modified, likely whatever is directly before WorldAndMagicNUmbersInitialised

ill run some prints in every known init call and then try putting my script at diff points to test where it does or doesnt work

then i just need to support appends letting people import pixel scenes, portals, settings and world-scenes identities

i believe you can GetFIleLuaAppends, i wanna see if i can append another mod's init.lua mid-init and then get them through ModGetFileLuaAppends or whatever and iterate over them to get return table[] data from them

if so that would be a very clean way to get file appends without needing globals here or needing to extend into multiple other files

geh i do have some CC stuff to handle first later tho

as per usual, game breaking bugs are causing issues, need to fix toxic mists causing nullium floods, probs modify toxic mist mat to not inherit reactions, then rework material projectile caps and add some more caps to materials that lack them, and fix the setting tooltip too

those should be quick fixes tho

geh okay ill do the CC stuff when i get home, then ill boot up Par and refresh myself on it and where i last was

[hasty solstice]

how does this even happen... (highlight bits are 4 spaces while non-highlighted are proper tabs)

working on par now!!!

[pallid magnet]

copy paste

or why formatter is important

[hasty solstice]

it doesnt really affect me enough to care lmao
im just surprised at the spottiness of the tabs and one of them has space tabs sandwiched between

[gray haven]

what if whoever did the copy paste used tab=2space

[hasty solstice]

theres only one person working on this project

or if you're theorising ways this happened

i did the copy paste but it was nabbed from elsewhere, but im not sure if thatd really cause this? if it could id need elaboration lmao

like all i wouldve nabbed was the nxml.new_element(...) part

[gray haven]

regardless this would never happen if you used a formatter

[hasty solstice]

this will not affect my decision to use an autoformatter

[hasty solstice]

man i love college computers, i got firefox installer on my global desktop so i can install firefox on whichever one im using, the other students here already installed steam and they're game design computers so VSC and GitHub Desktop are already installed, instant 5-minute modding environment setup

modding environment mostly set up, but time is up so ill go home, perhaps ill finish up and make use of it next time i have time to kill here

[hasty solstice]

noitabotti should ping me every time chemical curiosities is mentioned 😔

[wheat zenith]

noitabotti should ping me every time worse enemies or Spoop or spoopy the word is mentioned

[hasty solstice]

true!

[hasty solstice]

summon portal stuff is done now

next is... mod. settings.

Mod settings are for tomorrow me

Eating crepes and going to sleep is for today me

[hasty solstice]

Note to self, do not let sis cook, batter was whack and there was barely enough left for me

Whatever, it’s enough to tie me over until morning

lamia sent it and it has a nice minimalistic thumbnail therefore i should watch it later

later.

[gray haven]

true information

motivates early returns and continues

things i suggest might actually have a purpose 🤯

[novel plinth]

I am better at building pyramids than the ancient egyptians

[hasty solstice]

Peak lmao

Same indentation level! Yeah honestly I was always reminded of your code whenever I saw how indented Par is lmao

[hasty solstice]

geh okay need to write my thoughts out rq

so rewriting Cloning effect from CC

i need to check how many clones the owner has spawned

then based on who the owner is, dont spawn more based on the owner's cap

should check this by every time i spawn a clone for an enemy, i add the clone's entity id to a string list on the aa_clone_origin_data varcomp

then to parse the data i separate at commas and run EntityGetIsAlive(eid) for each one, tally up the total number of clones, and then recompile the data back into the value_string on the varcomp

okay yeah then i can cancel at whatever part of the code i desire if the cap is reached, and then throw into the CreateClone function a bit that adds the new entity to the aa_clone_origin_data varcomp

this looks good enough

[gray haven]

--[[@as entity_id]]

tose this is very sus

entity ids in strings is almost certainly a bug

[pallid magnet]

eids in csv or smth

[hasty solstice]

oooooo i was wondering what it was for that, i tried ---@cast but that wasnt correct, got it

[gray haven]

why not make the function take a table

it looks like you are kinda trying to use a state monad

so this is just a table but awful

write a filter functrion

its the correct abstraction here

local alive = functional.filter(entities, EntityGetIsAlive)

is what you could write

[hasty solstice]

?

i need to store the entities on a value_string if thats what you're talking about

[gray haven]

this is a bug

eid vsc

and even if it wasnt a bug the correct way to do this is turn it into a table immediately

[hasty solstice]

"this is a bug" what is? i dont quite see what the issue is

this stores up to 14 entity IDs but if one of them is dead, it doesnt bother counting it

it seemed to work just fine

[gray haven]

the bug is restarting

the entity ids will stay

but what they point to will change

[hasty solstice]

oooooo

[gray haven]

so now you have 14 random entity ids

hence why using entity ids in this way is a bug

[hasty solstice]

well then the clones will probs just disappear in a few seconds on restart so i dont think this is really that concerning

[gray haven]

?

[hasty solstice]

well, not a few seconds, but less than a minute

[gray haven]

the issue is that its random entity ids

it could end up being anything

its a pretty big issue

[hasty solstice]

hmmm is it? we dont do anything with the eids we just check if they're alive

[gray haven]

why do you check they are alive?

[hasty solstice]

to set a spawn cap, it sounds like all this could potentially do is decrease the individual spawn cap of a single entity

cloning solution tries to spawn a clone of its target entity every 9 seconds unless it already has 14 clones

theres also a separate check to make sure theres not too many enemies nearby in general just so things dont get out of hand

[gray haven]

you could store the frame you set the thing on

[hasty solstice]

what would that do for me?

[gray haven]

and also store the last frame restart in a global

and if its bad then you invalidate the list

because your data is completely invalid

[hasty solstice]

it sounds like if the game restarts, the eids are likely to be invalid, and if theres a chance they are valid (likely connecting to the wrong entity), worst case scenario is the cap on clones is lowered for the clone origin as long as the incorrect eid entities live

i can fix if its not too convoluted but i feel it isnt as urgent as you seem to be making it out to be

[hasty solstice]

order of init funcs (and the obviously the latter 5 are not part of this)

btw OnPausedChanged() doesnt seem to be able to trigger more than once? or at least i cant find its condition, it triggered once when opening the pause menu, it doesnt trigger again for me when going to other menus, resuming and repausing the game, going to the gif recorder or opening the inventory

idk what its supposed to be other than a "The game has been paused before" check

[pallid magnet]

it runs when you press escape basically

[hasty solstice]

wait no it works now

idk maybe i was blind the first time i tested

[hasty solstice]

yeah idk i couldnt see it at all before, but i do now

local init_func_names = {
    "OnModPreInit",
    "OnModInit",
    "OnModPostInit",
    "OnMagicNumbersAndWorldSeedInitialized",
    "OnBiomeConfigLoaded",
    "OnWorldPreUpdate",
    "OnWorldPostUpdate",
    "OnWorldInitialized",
    "OnPlayerSpawned",


    "OnPlayerDied",
    "OnPausedChanged",
    "OnModSettingsChanged",
    "OnPausePreUpdate",
    "OnCountSecrets",
}

Count = {}
for _, func in ipairs(init_func_names) do
    _G[func] = function()
        Count[func] = Count[func] or 0
        if Count[func] >= 9 then return end
        Count[func] = Count[func] + 1
        print(("||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| "):gsub("|", Count[func]) .. func)
    end
end```

[pallid magnet]

tf

[hasty solstice]

just posting code in case i need to verify smth or smth like that in the future

i think ill want to use OnWorldPostUpdate or OnWorldPostUpdate depending on when pixel scenes are defined

wait no am stupid

probs OnBiomeConfigLoaded or just before it

OnMagicNumbersAndWorldSeedInitialized it is then, that seems to work and is likely the very last point in the code

i could do some hax to ensure par is the last mod to do OnMagicNumbersAndWorldSeedInitialized but i dont think thats worth it

ig ill say in case i need to use this for smth similar in future- hax would be go over ModGetActiveModIDs, get last mod in the list and append its init.lua, since its the last mod in the list their init hasnt been run yet so its probs not yet cached meaning i could theoretically append it and ensure my instance of OnMagicNumbersAndWorldSeedInitialized runs last, but thats def overkill here

geh ive been dancing around it for too long, but mod settings are immenently awaiting me

[hasty solstice]

okay im going to completely redo my settings from the ground up

ill keep the 2 tables of mod settings since thats just data i can edit whenever i want, im going to completely delete the settings renderer and decide if i need to delete the cacher

[hasty solstice]

i will surely do this today

[hasty solstice]

finally actually working on it

ended up not redoing the entire thing

it was mostly functional just needed to patch a few things up

[hasty solstice]

geh why is the string down there??

i think the mod is p much done as soon as i get this DrawTooltip option working

this isnt good, the offset is relative to position on-screen

@pallid magnet lamierrr do you know why gui funky? :(

i cant tell why this isnt working (values in GuiText were an attempt to resolve the offset issue but the offset isnt static so rip)

mmmm i feel like i ping nather too often, lamia's offline- perhaps they got a funky timezone and are sleeping, and idk anyone else who does GUI stuff

@wise anchor gram do you know any gui wizardry?

[wise anchor]

Define wizardry...
all of my GUI is made with hopes and dreams

[hasty solstice]

this

gui is offsetting the text by a weird amount

mmmm its weird that it happens regardless of the 9piece

oh?? i think i might have it

i might be very stupid sorry for ping

okay i see, this is weird

i got it now i think, GuiText needs its coordinates to be absolute static, around 0 ideally, cuz its position is already relative, but for 9piece i need to provide the relative position because it is absolute

still weird tho

[wise anchor]

Oh yea that is weird

sorry, I can't comprehend code well enough at work to figure things out

[hasty solstice]

yeah im trynna do smth else now

issue now is the tooltip pushes stuff down, i dont want it to interfere with the other stuff as it should be rendered on top

but using GuiOptionsAddForNextWidget(gui, GUI_OPTION.Layout_NextSameLine) causes the newlines in the text to break (which btw im p sure is a bug?)

this is so close to working

id rather not have to manually linebreak but i might have to

lamia if you see this pls ping if you know a fix

okay this works, but now i cant get this to be outside the mod settings window

GuiTooltip can go outside it but idk how or why

[wise anchor]

You can just set the z really low, right?

[hasty solstice]

thought itd be IgnoreContainer but that didnt seem to do it

[hasty solstice]

i tries -2k, should i go further?

lemme give it a go, but its behind the bg which is surely really positive

[wise anchor]

Or put it outside the GUI layout, though that probably causes different issues

[hasty solstice]

i wouldnt know how to do that nor know how to resolve ths issues itd cause

z of -20k doesnt do it so i dont think any value will

[wise anchor]

GuiLayoutBeginLayer and GuiLayoutEndLayer

[hasty solstice]

oh?

lmao

but i think this will work

[wise anchor]

maybe use GuiGetPreviousWidgetInfo to get the absolute x/y and then just place this guitext there

[hasty solstice]

nah i got it

[wise anchor]

[hasty solstice]

i just switched to using relative position

was inputting absolute position before cuz GuiText was naturally applying the relative in post, but it doesnt now that its on a new layer so i just need to put in the same position i use for the 9piece

[wise anchor]

Ah, makes sense

[hasty solstice]

anyway fuck yeahhh (shit works)

Parallel Parity is now officially feature complete

just need to make a workshop page and whatnot rq

oh right, mod support

thats p important lmao

[wise anchor]

Very good

[hasty solstice]

i think settings creep is done, im gonna go implement Return Rifts now and then work on workshop page

[hasty solstice]

ah, spot the typo

[wise anchor]

file oops

[gray haven]

maybe you should make that file autocomplete plugin i made but good

it would fix this

also require is a winner

i think defining it is a great idea

[hasty solstice]

im not dofiling here for global stuff or anything im dofiling here to just run a diff file cuz main init is getting messy and i wanna have return rift stuff in its own thing

[hasty solstice]

and maybe but probably not anytime in the remotely near future

[gray haven]

?

require is just dofile except your lsp oesnt hate it

or do you mean run it every time?

[hasty solstice]

Oh okay I thought the point was to grab global variables and whatnot, ig running code would also work tho

But also it literally doesn’t affect me here

[gray haven]

also why would you ever use globals?

[hasty solstice]

Since no values are being passed between the files here

[hasty solstice]

Cuz we’re sometimes not given much better options

[gray haven]

idk if globals are ever a good idea

[hasty solstice]

Is there any issue with global besides potential name collisions?

[pallid magnet]

global what, lua?

[hasty solstice]

Yeah

[pallid magnet]

only global pollution, yeah

and spaghettification

It is also slightly less performant iirc but negligible

[hasty solstice]

Yeah then I’m not gonna stress too much over globals

[pallid magnet]

i mean, the whole ML is global

[hasty solstice]

That’s funny lmao

I just have all the data in my mod under ParallelParity global so mods can mess with it

[hasty solstice]

guess ill yap here while im unable to mod, just gonna get thoughts out

i got detection from PW to Main World detection working (was about as simple as i thought), creating a return rift should be trivial from there
the main important thing i need to do is create the boundry for it, when its created i want there to be a circle at a medium-far radius that slowly shrinks, if the player leaves the circle or if the circle reaches the centre then the Rift disappears

i should also remember to delete the Rift when the player goes through it

mmm i think thats all, idk how to do the circle thing tho ill need to look into how other things in vanilla handle that

[hasty solstice]

on apoth's end ill probably write up some compat that makes their blob cave work with the mod but i wont go beyond that since idk what does or doesnt need the localisation option, but it will work for me testing how well the compat works, and if the apoth folks are interested they can use it as a base to integrate all their other pixel scenes too

[wheat zenith]

for wha?

[hasty solstice]

the blob cave, the pixel scene biome you have full of blob enemies

with the blob boss at the end?

on right of main path, i think branching off of jungle or vault?

its perfect for compat with my mod imo cuz the lack of the cave is jarring in a similar way the lava lake's blocky absence is imo, and i can also add localisation since last time i mentioned doing this, conga i believe expressed that the boss at the end should not spawn in PWs

[hasty solstice]

this place

though actually it does look like you guys fixed how bizarre it looked in PWs

[wheat zenith]

mm yeah I knew you were talking about that place, I was just wondering what you meant by the other stuff

[hasty solstice]

well, i imagine yall add more than one pixel scene to the game

[wheat zenith]

at least 2 yeah

[hasty solstice]

oh if you mean the localisation stuff

i recognise that some stuff existing vs not existing in PWs can greatly affect balance, so stuff like Lava Lake orb and whatnot by default do not spawn in parallel worlds even if the pixel scene they are a part of does

the localisation options basically just target a designated piece of code and put it inside of a main-world check so what ever it does/spawns only works in main world

and also mod settings are appendable but i imagine that doesnt need explaining

[wheat zenith]

I mean we do already have checks for stuff like that

[hasty solstice]

do you have checks like that for stuff that dont normally spawn in PWs?

id be surprised by your thoroughness if so lmao

[wheat zenith]

like a certain uh super important quest item is set to not appear in parallel worlds through the biome script

I'm not sure what you mean by that

[hasty solstice]

yeah that makes sense, but i imagine its not part of a pixel scene?

to clarify, my mod makes it so Pixel Scenes in _pixel_scenes.xml spawn in Parallel Worlds

[wheat zenith]

mhmm

[hasty solstice]

so, for example, if this were to be just applied to your blob cave, it would break in parallel worlds because conga said the boss needs to be main world only, that or balance reasons idr, so localisation options exist on my end to deal with scenarios like that

since this is an issue with blob cave as well as some vanilla pixel scenes, its possible it might also be something to take into consideration for other pixel scenes in your mod

[wheat zenith]

there is some biome init handled pixelscenes that don't appear in parallel worlds but yeah makes sense

[hasty solstice]

there might be a big scary boss pixel scene that doesnt spawn in PWs for apoth, and you might not want the boss to spawn in PWs for jank or balance related issues, im just saying its best to leave that nuance up to you guys if you're interested, plus i wanna minimise spoilers for apoth somewhat since i havent beaten it yet lmao

[hasty solstice]

ooo you guys do do that? neeat, means theres less that need to be handled by par if you guys do end up doing compat 👍

i should ping emi once return rifts are finished

[hasty solstice]

trynna optimise mod settings is certainly amusing

[hasty solstice]

GuiText is funky it for some reason was making all newlines go on the same line so i need to manually like split the description shit

ig ill post in case someone knows the solution but i dont think this is smth i can get around lmao

[pallid magnet]

just don't use layers

[hasty solstice]

need to in order to get the tooltip to go outside the bounding area

if i dont then the tooltip doesnt render past the scrollbar on the right

[hasty solstice]

@raw linden @lyric plinth if you two are still interested in TLing Chemical Curiosities in the future, we have a channel in the CC server with the other 2 translators
mostly pinging rn cuz i had a question about how i should structure translations in mod settings (this is for Parallel Parity atm, but the system i use here i will eventually use for Chemical Curiosities when i rewrite the settings for that)

also emi you said youd be down to tl Parallel Parity, if you're still interested, the mod should be released p soon so i can let you know when it is if so o/

choosing between 3 systems here, first system is this

an alternative system would be a flat system like this, this is closer to how regular .csvs work

3rd option is just storing the translations on the setting itself like this

the benefit of the second one is its very readible and easy to navigate, but you get less of the context on the setting itself and the general structure
the first is sorta a hybrid in that you can see the general structure but dont get much context on the mod settings
and then the third allows you to fully see the context of the setting and how its used/the structure, but probably comes across as less readible

lmk which one of these seem more convenient or if you have suggestions for a better translation structure (yall will be the ones using it after all)

[raw linden]

yea im down! id go with whichever system u feel more comfortable with, i dont mind readability

[hasty solstice]

system 1 is what it currently is and what i was planning on doing, but soon realised it would be inconvenient for modders adding settings to this mod unless i revamp the system, so if im revamping the system i might as well check in with translators to find out whats most convenient for them- since this is a system id ideally like to use for all my mods from now on

[hasty solstice]

system 3 is what im leaning towards personally since its convenient from a programming perspective, but if translators would find alternative method easier then thatll work

regardless of what we go for, i imagine it will be more parseable that the devious wall of text in apoth's settings.lua

the translators who use that impress me

[gray haven]

why not just have them be normal translations

and add a build script

[hasty solstice]

Would need to set that up, not worth imo

Most convenient form of that would be python and I don’t like python

[gray haven]

maximum convenience for translators

[gray haven]

you could write it in lua

[raw linden]

yea thats what i thought from a modders point of view

[gray haven]

its just as a general purpose programming language lua isnt very good

severely lacking standard library'

zig or rust could very easily do it

[raw linden]

python is actually pretty cool

(i used it once)

[gray haven]

python is the easiest language to write bad code in

[raw linden]

LMAO yea

[pallid magnet]

import * from bullshitlib

bullshitlib.sum(a,b)

[gray haven]

real python code

[hasty solstice]

if translators say theyd find that more convenient id be entirely down, but i feel using regular csv format really is not much better than that the proposed systems

sure its familiar, but its also just a massive wall of text with no context for what the thing you're looking at is

for regular translation stuff it makes sense, but for smth where you have a standard thing you're applying TLs to- like setting descs and names, we can easily provide the context of what the text is for in an easily parsible manner

[gray haven]

yeah, imo csv is worse

but it is popular

imo 1 or 2 are best

3 is harder to find what needs doing

and the translations are scattered everywhere

its also not capable of representing more complex settings where the key needs to be accessed by more than 1 thing

[hasty solstice]

translations arent that scattered bc they're on every setting, but yeah thats the main reason i didnt originally go with it

[gray haven]

well not well anyway

if you want something advanced like a reset settings button (which you do) then that cant do it

[hasty solstice]

its also not capable of representing more complex settings where the key needs to be accessed by more than 1 thing
can you give an example of a key needing to be used twice?

i cant think of a time this would be a need

[gray haven]

same hover for multiple things

mainly where the vanilla settings code isnt used due to it sucking

so like

local settings = {
    {
        id = "reset",
        render_fn = function(...)
            CallSomeGuiFuncs()
        end
    }
}

[pallid magnet]

you can do that if you just have a separate table with a default value

instead of specifying default for every setting

[hasty solstice]

mmmm i already specify defaults for individual settings lmao

i find it more convenient

[gray haven]

i mean the ui for the reset button

its a button so it needs translations

and you surely need a reset all button

[hasty solstice]

yeah seeing that made me realise i should have one, why would i need a custom render func tho?

[gray haven]

because its a button

you need to run custom code

[hasty solstice]

why would i do that any differently?

[gray haven]

?

[hasty solstice]

i already have a system for custom code

[gray haven]

are you not using the vanilla mod settings system?

[hasty solstice]

i hate nolla's basic gui funcs so i already have a custom bool setting function

no i hate it, i wanted a custom tooltip and also hate the cooldown on clicking buttons

[gray haven]

🔥

ok then its fine

i do think the scattering is suboptimal

and it does kinda break the logic up

[hasty solstice]

yeah ill hear opinions from the translators first

what i might go with is 1 and then just let mods appending their own settings package in the translations like 3

since its more convenient for other mods if they only need to pass stuff into one table rather than two

[hasty solstice]

settings code wouldve been done so much faster if i was just using vanilla ui code lmao

reason it took so long was i was procrastinating rewriting my gui code

[lyric plinth]

I'm down too, haven't been active in noita discord lately cuz I'm binging gtnh and making textures for another Minecraft server as of late lol

as to which option I prefer, I myself don't really notice any major difference between those 3 from a translator's perspective and I can do localization with any of the given format

[hasty solstice]

hm, hang on, is the mod done?

i just sorta wrapped up mod settings, sat here trynna figure out what to do next and i think its done?

here ig ill test compat with it rq

[hasty solstice]

geh apoth scary, still 257 calls of _pixel_scenes.xml

guh?? are the enemy spawns in blob cave not part of the pixel scene?

[pallid magnet]

why would they be

[hasty solstice]

because that would avoid insanity like this

im making a PR to make blob cave sane
@jaunty eagle would it be fine to make blob cave its own biome? or how do you wanna handle that? cuz i think itd be ideal if the stuff in it spawned via biome functions

currently half of it is just this data/biome/solid_wall_hidden_cavern.xml

mmmm wondering if itd just be worth getting some other pixel scene to use as an example and test for parallel parity compat at this point

thought blob cave would be simple but the way its made makes it not very clean to hook up to par, ill see if there are more sane spliced pixel scenes to go for

[jaunty eagle]

It would probably work as a biome, I think there was a reason I didn't do it but I don't remember why.

I guess the main reason PW blob bosses aren't supported is because the boss itself doesn't support being killed multiple times, it was never supported by the death script.

[hasty solstice]

yeah, i can make it so blob boss doesnt spawn in PWs

[jaunty eagle]

It would be very low priority for me personally, so if you want to then go ahead; but make sure to check the blob death script supports PW deaths if you do

Or that

[hasty solstice]

yeah no im doing this to test and create an example for compatibility with Parallel Parity, im testing pixel scenes, spliced pixel scenes, localisations, portals and settings

[hasty solstice]

evil how my list of things to finish in my mod keeps expanding despite me not adding any new feature creep\

okay maybe one feature creep in the form of reset button for settings but the main thing is realising some portals are already PW local

i knew about fast travel portals and remembered i need to remove those, but apparently like cube/buried eye portals are the same, maybe secret shop?

cuz they check last position, so it can be either PW local or not, depending on where you last used it

ill probs relegate those to "Puzzle Portals" and explain the nuance in the mod setting

then i need to figure out making Apoth compatible with par

then i need to make return rifts work (i think i know what the issue is so thatll be a very quick fix)
and finally implement functionality for reset button (again, should be a quick patch)

these last 4 things and then i need to work on a workshop thumbnail

[hasty solstice]

conga spotted

[jaunty eagle]

o/

[hasty solstice]

anyway new evil feature creep idea (actually old but i wanna do it even more now at some point)
modulate pixel scenes in sky/hell loops

watching goragle hell noita video, their talk of noita above and below made me wanna make that into a proper thing lmao

[hasty solstice]

@left pumice do you know any way i could have this shader end texture work but stop particles from breaking the rendering?

the shader code is here and if you want to test stuff or smth in case you have an idea, mod currently spawns a rift above you at the beginning of runs
https://github.com/FatalUserK/parallel_parity/blob/main/files/return_rift/return_rifts_init.lua

[left pumice]

What do you consider to be breaking the rendering?

As in the purple particles that are on top of the dark area?

[hasty solstice]

the particles appear on top of the dark area and cancel out the greenscreen effect

i dont mind if the solution is a fix or alternative to the green screen rendering method

just lmk if you have any ideas on how i can do this

[left pumice]

Particles are difficult to deal with as they render over the top of everything. Some ideas:

1. Upload a mask texture and screen position to the shader, then do the effect that way. This will allow it to render over the top of everything, but it will then render on top of the player, materials, etc.
2. Supersample around the area to check for single pixels surrounded by greenscreen. Not perfect, but it should help
3. If you can control the direction particles move, send them outwards away from the center. Might need to micromanage particle emitters for that to work
4. If you're able to make the greenscreen area a physical material in the world, you can use a unique glow color to get an unobstructed mask of it and read it out of tex_glow_unfiltered

[hasty solstice]

geh forgot to check back here

If you can control the direction particles move, send them outwards away from the center. Might need to micromanage particle emitters for that to work
not entirely doable here as its a particle area, particles would still be able to spawn on the rift itself

[left pumice]

I was thinking of multiple directional particle emitters, carefully placed at specific offsets and directions

if that's possible

[hasty solstice]

hmmm, but the shape of the rift is very irregular

and i think in most cases either thered be too few emitters that it looks strange that certain particles are going in specific directions, or too many particle emitters

should mention the point of the particle emitter, i have a temporary rift and want it to disappear after n number of seconds
i have a region covered by the particle emitter that shrinks in accordance with this, and use 2 particle emitters for it, one inside to show the region and one on the rim to show the exact boundry

it seems like i may have to forego the inner emitter as its the one that is spawning particles on the rift

oh maybe i could replace it with another particle emitter on the rim which spawns particles moving inwards similar to what you said, if i tune the values just right i can make it so they move inwards but never manage to reach the actual rift in the centre

[hasty solstice]

okay i think i like how this looks

[hasty solstice]

If you're able to make the greenscreen area a physical material in the world, you can use a unique glow color to get an unobstructed mask of it and read it out of tex_glow_unfiltered
i might also do this as a secondary effect cuz i think itd look cool

like have a particle emitter that emits particles in the area of the shader material

[novel plinth]

oh sidenote, this effect i made breaks in low resolution rendering mode for some reason

it just turns entirely purple iirc

[hasty solstice]

oh fr? thats wild

[novel plinth]

no clue why

could never figure it out

[hasty solstice]

something something rendering mode changes and the stuff we do is skipped or smth? idk

[gray haven]

no

itll be low res rendering borking the fg texture colours somehow

[hasty solstice]

rifts are functional now, im satisfied with them

next ill probs get the [reset] button working, should be very trivial

then ill look into the nuances of PW portals, and finally do some minor compat with apoth to make sure it works and to provide an example for modders who are interested

[hasty solstice]

geh modifying the core structure of my mod is scary cuz its so dense that i cant tell if the thing broken rn is from a small change i made that i didnt fully understand or an already existing issue

having a fascinating issue with apoth compat where spliced pixel scenes- or at least the tree is being loaded twice in PWs, and i wont even be able to ask anyone for help if i need it cuz im the only one who understands this monstrous code and thats only barely at best

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah i forgot to properly debug why pixel scenes spawn twice in PW with apoth compat

eh its probs cuz i messed up smth with the code that iterates pixel scene applications to multiple biome maps- shouldnt be data from original biome map interfering as that wouldnt result in- oh maybe it would, okay wait lemme go check uhhh lake island maybe? hold on

@jaunty eagle are there any vanilla pixel scenes that you relocate? like _pixel_scenes.xml pixel scenes?

[jaunty eagle]

I adjust the location of dragon cave downwards slightly so it doesn't look weird with the ant nest above

[hasty solstice]

i assumed map changes would do that but it seems you extend the map and avoid moving stuff too much- at least the several pixel scenes i check are

[hasty solstice]

hmmm isnt that a biome scene and not hardcoded?

[jaunty eagle]

Yeah, technically a pixelscene though

uhhh

I don't think i touch any pixelscenes in the pixelscene file

[hasty solstice]

yeah im talking about _pixel_scenes.xml pixel scenes

[jaunty eagle]

Yeah no

I can't think of anything

Oh

[hasty solstice]

goooot it okay that makes the issue easier to figure out then i think

oh? if you know one that would help me narrow this down

[jaunty eagle]

I guess I move the PW music machine spawns to match the new world length

[hasty solstice]

fuck, nvm lmao

[gray haven]

nolla doesn't do that

[jaunty eagle]

Essence Eaters are moved too to use a biome file

[hasty solstice]

pixel scenes outside of main world that i apply to PWs are culled

oh really? i should disable the Essence Eaters setting from showing then if Apoth is enabled

[gray haven]

what if a mod makes pw exclusive content?

[hasty solstice]

then they can simply choose not to add their pixel scene to compat? its an opt-in system

[gray haven]

whar

surely opt out is best

[hasty solstice]

you append to my file which pixel scenes you wand duplicated in PWs

opt in is better imo cuz some pixel scenes mods wont want in PWs for balance reasons

i have considered adding a nuclear "PW everything" option with a blacklist table mods can append to, but thats feature creep

i have more fun post-release feature creep to get to before then

actually im dumb it doesnt really matter here what pixel scenes are moved as it would be applied to both maps- hmmm size diff should be relevant tho, i have theories ill look over my code tomorrow

[hasty solstice]

geh i keep getting distracted

i have so many diff things i wanna be working on at once

lemme look at Parallel Parity rq

does the compiler not differentiate between map-scene index i wonder

OH

wait no nvm

it takes like a solid 20-30 seconds to generate all the table data scraped and arranged before i pass it to the compiler lmao

lmao??? never seen this before

@gray haven i have a question i thought id never be forced to ask before...

how do i run a lua formatter 😔

geh wait i mightve just crashed VSC

ah, i need to run the dump again

it didnt put quotes on the strings

[hasty solstice]

vsc broke and stopped doing any formatting after i clicked this, even after deleting the text and closing the tab lmao

i hurt it

anyway time to do it again

hmmmm i think vsc is sad again, i dont think it wants to format 350kb of nested table stuff, i can probs decrease the load by turning off a bunch of unrelated settings hold on

good lord

okay some kind of recursion is going on here- or my settings are being enabled wait what-

ah, note to self, settings hover works even if outside of settings container, fix later

[hasty solstice]

ok nvm thats a more sane amount of data now, my settings changes just werent applied

okay so yeah, its adding twice to the apotheosis map-index id, so why

so this means scraper is adding twice, why

yeah apoth pixel scenes file looks sane too

my guess since the beginning has been somehow scraper double inputs the second mapindex thats run so im gonna assume its smth like that

{ [1] = "data/biome_impl/biome_map.png",[2] = "mods/Apotheosis/files/biome_impl/biome_map.png",[3] = "mods/Apotheosis/files/biome_impl/biome_map.png",} ah, thatd do it

my compiler works fine, im doing smth wrong to add apoth to it twice

oh

thats scary

return at end of file doesnt inhibit appends maybe? hold on

[hasty solstice]

i see, this revelation has made my mod load-order dependent, which means appends from mods before Par are run twice

(this is all conjecture ill test in a min)

(but i cant think of anything else going on here)

apo append is indeed running twice.

also got a cool gradient on image preview, neat

[gray haven]

they probably integrate directly with your editor

if your file is gigantic you'll want stylua because its the fastest

just run it from the command line with stylua filename

do cargo install stylua to get it

[hasty solstice]

ill keep that in mind, i made do with the in-editor formatter but it was kinda ass, ill try stylua next time 👍

[gray haven]

stylua also has a better style imo

luals formatter isnt specific enough and has ugly defaults

[hasty solstice]

got back to this now, i fixed by having a data.lua file which mods append to which i also threw most of my own data into to clean up my init.lua slightly since i might as well while im at it

i can now proceed with some fun apotheosis compat and also maybe throw in some type defs if i feel like it

[gray haven]

certainly not

how do you think appends work?

string manipulate on the do_appends call?

it just executes your file then calls do_appends

[hasty solstice]

yeah that was my main issue with the VSC formatter, i was guessing and hoping stylua would be better

[hasty solstice]

i heard a while back its effectively a dofile at the end of the script, but i guess they meant it less literally than i interpreted

and setting appends to nil seems unideal since subsequent calls would no longer have the appends unless i make a separate listing of appended files somewhere

so i just went with a proxy file which mods append to instead

[gray haven]

if you think about how it must be implemented it makes sense

[hasty solstice]

i assumed nolla just literally stitched do_appends onto the end of the cached file or smth idk

[gray haven]

it could only be implemented as

function dofile(path)
    local ret = {loadfile(getcontent(path))}
    do_mod_appends(path)
    return unpack(ret)
end

(technically they could do something with the returns of the mod appends, but they don't)

[hasty solstice]

i dont know how the lua scripts are run so the idea of the mod appends being run not inside the script itself doesnt sound any more plausible

[gray haven]

they are run using whatever api lua provides

and there is only really one sensible one

[hasty solstice]

could they not just stitch the function call into the file when they cache it?

[gray haven]

not really

editing the ast sounds hard and unsupported

and doing string manipulation is a terrible idea

[hasty solstice]

got it, yeah thats way above what i really know about how C, the engine and the API all work lmao

[hasty solstice]

hmm. mod maybe done now? no collapsible folders tho, might rq implement that

[hasty solstice]

@acoustic spruce i wish for you to know i put your guidance to good use

({func()})[index] format my beloved

[gray haven]

yuck

[acoustic spruce]

Winner alert

[gray haven]

completely unreadable

[acoustic spruce]

Highly readable

[gray haven]

also use the mouse enums

and at the very least replace the magical 3 with a constant for whatever thing that is

[acoustic spruce]

No constant needed if you add a comment probably

Should be fine as-is

[gray haven]

no comment needed if you write code which doesnt suck

[acoustic spruce]

Thank fuck I don't need to write comments then

🔥

(Since I dont)

[gray haven]

if you write code that sucks (see above) you do

if you want to do something like the above where its just one line why not do

---@class GuiWrapper
local M = {}

function M.GuiGetPreviousWidgetInfo(...)
    local what, ever, values, are, returned = GuiGetPreviousWidgetInfo(...)
    return {
        what = what,
        ever = ever,
        values = values,
        are = are,
        returned = returned
    }
end

return M

you could even autogenerate that really easily

[acoustic spruce]

Silly Nathan this is way more than adding 5 characters

[gray haven]

you do this once then you can easily write readable stuff everywhere

[acoustic spruce]

Person-who-only-uses-it-once-man:

True though

[hasty solstice]

i need to like lock you two in an escape room

i feel like this would be really amusing to watch

[gray haven]

only i would escape

[hasty solstice]

on a related note, i got collapsible folders now (dont like how down-weight the icon feels on uncollapsed folders but i can resolve that with dependent offset another time if i so desire)

[gray haven]

nice

add a (*) next to the folder?

[hasty solstice]

and if i set this up correctly, they should have default collapsed states

[gray haven]

iff. its all *, iff. its all ( ) then do ( ) else (-)

[hasty solstice]

yup, all vanilla things are folded when i go in-game

[gray haven]

(*) your folder of guis

[hasty solstice]

eh, feels like feature creep bloat to me, i dont personally see a need

[gray haven]

to toggle whole cats

[hasty solstice]

yeah but like, thats just not necessary

people shouldnt need to edit settings often and there arent enough settings to warrant that as a feature with this in mind

[acoustic spruce]

Open wall panel
Expose Nathan to the inner mechanisms of the escape room
Staff give up after being told their mechanisms are dogshit
Easy win

[hasty solstice]

find a computer in the room (real or fake) and he'll explain why it is of poor quality

[gray haven]

copi does a suboptimal solution, copi gets murdered, taken to jail (outside of room)

easy win

[hasty solstice]

put copi in the room and he'll write insane gibberish that flatlines the entire puzzle system

fuck i cant think of anything else i need to add to the mod pre-release

[gray haven]

why is apotheosis empty

[hasty solstice]

i think i just need to finish testing compat via apotheosis, ig ill do that tomorrow

?

[gray haven]

⚠️

[hasty solstice]

oh, cuz i havent finished writing up the basic compatibility

i was doing that but got sidetracked by adding collapsible folders

i just need to add those on apoth's side tomorrow

but i confirmed the settings system appears to work!

[gray haven]

warning!

fix your warns

[hasty solstice]

"Warning! You're code is too fire and is overheating our AI slop generators, please fix!!!!!" is what the warning says

rip microsoft ig

oh right i should look into the thing alex mentioned

ill do that tomorrow (in 5 hours cuz its 7am and i need to sleep soon lmao)

wanted to sleep about an hour ago but then decided to do a "little bit" of work on collapsible folders and then i finished them and the linear passage of time is my mortal enemy

[gray haven]

am i code?

[hasty solstice]

"You're code" thats what they said

shit happens when you replace your staff with AI idk man

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle do you happen to have translations of the mod name anywhere? translation.csv doesnt seem to contain the mod name as standalone

[acoustic spruce]

I don't think the mod name is translated?

I'm fairly sure it's a case of it being a proper noun in spite of it also being a word

i.e. there are translations but you'd use those when referring to the act of apotheosis and not the mod itself

[hasty solstice]

transliterations exist tho, like if a proper-noun were translated from japanese or smth i wouldnt want it to be written in hirigana yknow?

[acoustic spruce]

I mean I've seen just like the plain ass english text in the middle of japanese

[pallid magnet]

skill issue

[acoustic spruce]

though I am sure this is not always what is done

[hasty solstice]

mmm fair but it feels like relying on the reader having a baseline understanding of english pronunciation which normally transliteration is meant to resolve in the case they dont

[hasty solstice]

fair but there are a lot of non-germanic languages that i wouldnt know how to pronounce the name of shit in, hell there are lots of germanic ones too

[pallid magnet]

just learn english or smth

the games translation for non-english is shit anyway

[acoustic spruce]

I will admit though bad transliterations are really fucking funny

[hasty solstice]

this is why community projects like Better Chinese exist lmao

but i do kinda see your point

[acoustic spruce]

up there with hearing "american accents" in non-western media

peak shit

[hasty solstice]

this and your other msg are valid

very amusing

is COPI BLAST transliterated into katakana in fairmod?

[acoustic spruce]

no its literally just the noita glyphs

[hasty solstice]

oooo got it

[acoustic spruce]

I think it's like KOPI BLAST or some shit I forgot what but one of the characters didn't have a glyph iirc

[hasty solstice]

? which glyph format were you using?

surely not this one?

[acoustic spruce]

idk you identify it

[hasty solstice]

oh, is that the finnish glyphs..?

[acoustic spruce]

iirc yes>?

[hasty solstice]

okay that i could probably see, id barely know anything about those other than they're in finnish so rip me trynna understand them lmao

[pallid magnet]

which breaks other mods translation

[hasty solstice]

oh do they not add it properly?

[pallid magnet]

it adds a virtual column for csv

[hasty solstice]

?

[pallid magnet]

so appended translations won't work

and everything will be in english except for those that the translation mod adds

[hasty solstice]

oh it breaks chinese translations from other mods and untranslated vanilla stuff?

[pallid magnet]

yeah

[hasty solstice]

hmm, i wonder if the author could be contacted and this could be resolved

[pallid magnet]

no

[hasty solstice]

has anyone tried to reach out?

oh rip

[pallid magnet]

well

they can include translation string from other mods

but it's stupid

[hasty solstice]

nolla system is stupid?

[pallid magnet]

yeah

you can kinda support it

e.g. if the game has custom translation you can edit your csv to use that language instead of english

[hasty solstice]

i actually dont think i fully understand the issue, surely the mod can just overwrite all the relevant strings in their csv? why do they need a new column?

[pallid magnet]

ML has that, but it doesn't work for runtime language change

[pallid magnet]

translations mods don't have init.lua

it's handled on the engine side

[hasty solstice]

better chinese isnt a translation mod

[pallid magnet]

oh, is it? that's nice

[hasty solstice]

it adds a couple minor alchemy things iirc

or at least so ive heard

[pallid magnet]

i think one of the russian translation mods have two versions also

translation one and correct one

[hasty solstice]

hmmm i suppose tho an issue with changing how Better Chinese works is itd break mods with existing compatibility...

times like these i wish i had a time machine to fix something before it became too rooted in its ways to reasonably be able to change at this point lmao

[hasty solstice]

damn you apotheosis and your surprisingly good pixel scene management!!
struggling to find a good pixel scene to use as an example for my mod for testing and demonstration purposes

AHA, YOU DO NOT EXIST IN PWS!

oh maybe i should add cauldron to my mod, maybe eyes too later down the line, anyway spotted this and found it funny apoth cuts so close to the cauldron room lmao

[hasty solstice]

back to this, hmmm, that doesnt seem right...

guh???? im somehow creating a self-recursive table hold on

something is setting the setting's colour table to be itself lmaoo

thats amusing, should be simple to find and fix

ah, line of code i was in the middle of writing before i got distracted lmaooooo

thats very funny, fixed probs

[gray haven]

no types?

[hasty solstice]

✝️

stay back

this was also amusing to write as a solution to infinite recursion

[gray haven]

this is terible

and doesnt even work well

i like doing something like

---@param value any
---@param seen table<table, integer>?
---@param count integer[]?
---@return string
local function dump(value, seen, count)
    seen = seen or {}
    count = count or { 0 }
    if type(value) ~= "table" then
        return type(value) == "string" and ('"%s"'):format(value:gsub('"', "'"):gsub("\n", "; ")) or
            tostring(value)
    end
    if seen[value] then return "r" .. seen[value] end
    seen[value] = count[1]
    local s = "r" .. count[1] .. " {"
    count[1] = count[1] + 1
    for k, v in pairs(value) do
        s = s .. "[" .. dump(k, seen, count) .. "] = " .. dump(v, seen, count) .. ", "
        ::continue::
    end
    s = s .. "}"
    return s
end

so that way you can easily see the recursive structure and all references to a given node

doing bfs instead of dfs for the printing could make it a bit prettier

maybe not though

you just run stylua on the output to get something nice looking

[hasty solstice]

Blame Nolla.

[hasty solstice]

im sorry mister nathan sir that i did an ugly solution to a 3 second check, i will do it again 🙏

[hasty solstice]

better dump func???? may give this a go at some point lmao

[gray haven]

writing a recursive solution is easier and better

[hasty solstice]

this was like 3 copy pastes and then messing with variable names

[gray haven]

if you cant be bothered to handle recursive tables just pass a seen map and if its seen then return "..."

local function dump(v, seen)
    seen = seen or {}
    if type(v) ~= "table" then return tostring(v) end
    if seen[v] then return "..." end
    seen[v] = true
    local s = "{"
    for k, v in pairs(v) do s = s .. dump(k, seen) .. "=" .. dump(v, seen) .. "," end
    return s .. "}"
end

is pretty easy idk'

it works well enough for basic use cases

[hasty solstice]

giving your func a whirl rq

[hasty solstice]

this is more than the 3 lines of code i had to write is all lmao

[gray haven]

doesnt have issues with depth and more clearly denotes where the recursion happen

i often also have a banned list of keys passed in

[hasty solstice]

but i knew recursion would be happening withing 3 layers, there was no need to do more

for a quick simple check my solution worked fine

[gray haven]

what if there are some deep nonrecursive branches?

[hasty solstice]

how stylua? i think ive added it before so where would i find it?

[hasty solstice]

assuming i understand this correctly this would not be the problem with how i wrote my code

i do very little baking for colours so i knew it was unlikely to be an extensive issue

c should not have any data in it other than r g and b, so just seeing what data was in the first/second layer would be enough to point me in the right direction

i chose my method because i know my code

[gray haven]

i mean i would solve this by adding some more types

[hasty solstice]

perhaps, but that can come later

[gray haven]

if your data has the wrong type the solution is to add more types

[hasty solstice]

neato

[gray haven]

types are especially useful when changing the code (which you tend to do a lot of when first writing it)

[hasty solstice]

i change my code a lot but i rarely get it mixed up, but i do agree, the reason i dont use types isnt because i think they're bad but im simply not used to them, as with most of my current coding habits i imagine its something ill utilise more over time and get used to in my own time

types are something i use more and more over time already, i added types to a bunch of funcs last week in squirreltilities.lua

[hasty solstice]

.workshoptags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: nathansnail)**

tags in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

ah nvm, i saw a bunch of new mods and thought one at least surely had to mess up their tags

[hasty solstice]

right, i need to do stuff about the fast travel portals

[hasty solstice]

geh, evil error, hmmmm

is noita angry that im running settings.lua during init

yes, it is

okay so running ModSettingsUpdate is crashing noita, which part

mk so it crashes here

hmmmm probably these being evil

the condition for crash is weird tho

yeah if i open settings and then do it on init the game crashes, but if i just go straight into the game no crash

fascinating, well fixed now

local x,y = 200,1702
x = (x + (GetParallelWorldPosition(x, y) * BiomeMapGetSize() * 512))
LoadPixelScene( "data/biome_impl/excavationsite/meditation_cube.png", "data/biome_impl/excavationsite/meditation_cube_visual.png", x-20, y-29, "", true )
EntityLoad("data/entities/buildings/teleport_meditation_cube.xml", x, y-70)

wretched-ass script

should work but no work

oh, stupid

fixed

return portal here certainly does store pos when you enter, so you return to the same place

geh i dont wanna have to think about this rn

ill look into this proper tomorrow and decide how to handle quantum-locality (that sounds fancier than i meant it to i just meant conditional state of whether or not it sends back to a PW or not)

im sleeping its 4am

[hasty solstice]

.moddev

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: moddev (Creator: nathansnail)**

Introduction to mod development

• Wiki page: Modding

Various tools for mod development

• Text editor: VSCode | Nvim | kickstart.nvim
• Git: Website
• LuaLS: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP
• Lemminx: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP | Github - VSCode
• Lua definitions: Github
• XML definitions: Github
• Type definitions: Github

Mods for mod development

• Component explorer: Releases | Install Guide
  • Limited functionality: Workshop
• Spell Lab Shugged: Workshop | Github
• Conjurer Reborn: Workshop | Github

Various libraries which are often useful

• NXML: Github
• Smallfolk: Github

[hasty solstice]

@acoustic spruce question for reimplementing shrinkium, i kinda wanna make it so spells and whatnot fired by the player while they're shrunk are also physically smaller, would this be feasible to do?

[acoustic spruce]

I've been working on some generally applicable code for scaling projectiles
but basically the gist of it is that,

• projectiles are a single point that hits in a ray between its last and current position, and thus cannot be smaller
• gameareaeffectcomponents can cause some projectiles to hit in a circle around their current position, though mainly only field spells in vanilla do this, some modded spells use this. Nominal way of increasing "size" and usable for shrinking existing larger shots
• sprites can be shrunk via special scale
• b2d cannot be easily shrunk
• you can also edit stuff like plasma and shit, but some stuff may be harder like pattern particle emitters

[hasty solstice]

this is good but my questions were on a more basic level like "how do i apply these changes" lmao, what is the most effective way to modify player's projectiles based on their size? patching gun.lua? or is there like a thing i can do on the player's ability component to make a modifier script applied to their projectiles?

[acoustic spruce]

shot script