ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:10 AM

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oh, wait hold on

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oh i cant delete thread nvm

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thread where ima dump stuff i find in CC's code and ask engine people (probably nathern) whether its real

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:11 AM

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nathern

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:11 AM

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yis

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i heard this was real the other day, i think XML defs needs an update

rustic pilot Jul 7, 2025, 11:15 AM

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ashen fossil # __thread where ima dump stuff i find in CC's code and ask engine people (proba...

your title is too long give me something better

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:15 AM

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the title was "is this real?" though

rustic pilot Jul 7, 2025, 11:16 AM

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i ask you to make it more searchable

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:16 AM

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that was moreso the desc that got deleted when i tried remaking the thread

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oh, uhhh hold on

rustic pilot Jul 7, 2025, 11:16 AM

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the problem is that the thread search bar only finds titles

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Verifying Engine Stuff for XML definitions

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is that better?

rustic pilot Jul 7, 2025, 11:16 AM

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yeah sure

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:18 AM

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ashen fossil i heard this was real the other day, i think XML defs needs an update

this seems p real, XML defs seems p wrong

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on CellData, found this, it appears to be referenced in the engine and used by one material in base game

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lua comments in XML code my beloved

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:20 AM

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ashen fossil i heard this was real the other day, i think XML defs needs an update

it parses the official doc, so a lot of stuff is missing

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manually redefining is pain

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:20 AM

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goot it, makes sense

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unfortunately relying on Nolla is bound to have consequences

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was staring at this for a few minutes trynna figure out what was wrong, and then realised squirrelly forgot to establish this as an entity lmao

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uh- hm. okay so maybe CC does have some questionable code lurking in every corner, perhaps.

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some of these i could maybe make a PR to fix since even i know some of these are real

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(this is in workshop.xml)

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:30 AM

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it was entirely ignored

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needs separate json i think

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same with mod.xml

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wdym it was 7 months ago entity_hamis

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:33 AM

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what was 7 months ago?

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mod.xml is correct, it already accounts for that, but workshop has the same fields + tags, and then compatibility.xml is just _format_version and version_built_with i think

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:35 AM

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active dev was 7 months ago

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:36 AM

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guh? ig it was january i saw you guys doing that

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but wow it really took me 7 months to get around to adding this to my workspace 😭

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love playing "spot the problem", its the second underscore lmao

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this doesnt show up in-game but somehow CC knew it existed? idfk lmao, on GameEffectComponent

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:44 AM

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does it even work?

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:44 AM

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no clue, its empty in CC so ima assume this- oooo this is from me copying XML using CE, thats interesting

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:44 AM

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iirc it's used to unpoly the entity

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:44 AM

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that also means this is seemingly canon?

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:45 AM

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lol

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:45 AM

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which like, you can just do e notation in here???

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:45 AM

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try it with regular hp, idk

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:46 AM

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i think the issue is that theres more than one entity in the file, but like i think thats valid? added to the list of stuff i wanna test

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at the end of all this im gonna list everything into categories like

stuff i can probably correct
stuff i can probably test
and stuff i need nathan to verify

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:47 AM

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ashen fossil i think the issue is that theres more than one entity in the file, but like i th...

it might be ordering issue
xsd is not ideal

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:49 AM

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cant tell if this is us messing up formatting or what but ill make a note to return to this later

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cuz ik this works, but we might implement it weirdly

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:51 AM

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biome stuff is unimplemented too iirc

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:52 AM

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noted

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going through old msgs, i assume hole_image on config_explosion is fake?

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:52 AM

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hole_image is fake

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:52 AM

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amusing how much of it there is lmao

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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config should be a real object

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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stains_image is also fake

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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polar trout config should be a real object

you mean config_explosion itself? yeah

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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ah

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i misread it as or

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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lmao

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p sure this is real

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ah, i mayve picked up some bad habits from Arcane Alchemy

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:55 AM

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it's probably just 0x088CC316

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:55 AM

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is this not a real thing on CellData ParticleEffect?

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:56 AM

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but probably should write fully

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 11:56 AM

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ashen fossil is this not a real thing on CellData ParticleEffect?

i don't think we parsed materials fully

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it's almost entirely manual

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 11:56 AM

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that makes sense, if there was good documentation for materials, the file would be sane

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hmm. perhaps i was too harsh on nolla.

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magic numbers arent real 🗣️ 🔥

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that... okay fair.

upper siren Jul 7, 2025, 12:00 PM

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is this xml validity debunking

polar trout Jul 7, 2025, 12:01 PM

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make xsd great again

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:01 PM

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basically yeah, i was going through CC with the new fangled (7-month-old) XML definitions and noticed some stuff was amiss

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so im documenting my journey through here and then im gonna fix the XML definition stuff i can fix, test the stuff im unsure about and cry to nathan about the esoteric engine things that need verifying

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also a thousand years, one thousand years of jail for eba

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yeah, uh, i guess you could say that

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btw the file name is explosion_tiny.xml, that is indeed a very tiny explosion lmao

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you cant just... type a big number and expect it to... okay.

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wretched lua commenting

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okay i think thats everything in CC

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REAL

count_per_material_type definitely exists on <MaterialInventoryComponent/>s and can take any number of <Material/> children on it with the attributes material (string id) and count (obviously number of pixels)
<Mod/> component only accounts for mod.xml with required name and description attributes, doesnt account for workshop.xml with tags or compatibility.xml with _format_version and version_built_with
color on <ParticleEffect/> under <CellData/>
<MagicNumbers/> is real last i checked idk
mSerializedData is base64 encoded entity stored for Polymorphe purposes according to @compact yew, v cool
on_fire_convert_to_material definitely does exist

NEED TO TEST

e notation on no_heal_max_hp_cap, and perhaps test that elsewhere too

NATHAN HALP

audio_event_name on CellData
color on CellData- Nolla seems very sure that it does exist, could you double check if its not too annoying?
nolla seems p sure that fire_hp="-1" is valid, is that the case?

compact yew Jul 7, 2025, 12:33 PM

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mSerializedData stores the entity that got polymorphed so that it can be unpolyd once the effect expires. It's base64 encoded binary entity data.

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:34 PM

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gooot it, fascinating

compact yew Jul 7, 2025, 12:35 PM

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People have used it for fun things like cloning entities. It does bring at least a single frame of delay to create a new entity with GameEffectComponent, set mSerializedData and other fields, and then have the effect expire

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:36 PM

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thats interesting, yeah mSerializedData sounds fun, should be added

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:37 PM

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compact yew `mSerializedData` stores the entity that got polymorphed so that it can be unpol...

do you know what no_heal_max_hp_cap is? is it max hp cap for GC or is it no heal for meat biome?

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oh, wait this is on GameEffectComponent this is totally glass cannon

compact yew Jul 7, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Seems like it was added on 2023-08-19

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:40 PM

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oh, is it meat realm then?

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lemme check game references

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huh.

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not referenced anywhere in /data/

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i wanted to be able to visually test the effects of the component in-game and use that to experiment with e notation and then try it on other stuff, if we can figure out a way to visually see the effects of that in-game thatd be nice

compact yew Jul 7, 2025, 12:45 PM

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Yeah, it's probably used by the meat biome NO_HEAL game effect to store your max hp in the biome. There's no reason to read/write to it from Lua hence why it isn't referenced in data/

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 12:47 PM

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oooo no_heal is a game effect, did not know lmao

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yeah i can test for that

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anyway, multi-<entity/> entity files are indeed FAKE

ashen fossil Jul 7, 2025, 8:29 PM

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so i verified on_fire_convert_to_material does indeed exist, and i am also very glad i did not push CC update to workshop with the test stuff i forgot to remove

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was testing other stuff lmao

ashen fossil Jul 8, 2025, 9:53 PM

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i barely know anything about ghidra, but its super handy when it comes to quickly verifying if something is real, i can just easily do a search for solid_break_on_explosion_rate, see no references and conclude "oh, so that ones not real"

ashen fossil Jul 8, 2025, 10:30 PM

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maan why are pin and delete messages the same perm

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itd be great if we could pin whatever we wanted inside of the mod forum posts, but wed also have delete message perms if that were the case, which obviously i dont think can just be handed out

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@polar trout did you start the xsd stuff? im lost lmao

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wtf is this long-ass line for? im scared to touch it since it seems to contain like, everything

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too massive to send in one go, im scared to add stuff cuz it might break this, how would i go about modifying the XSD to correct data and add missing things?

📎 message.txt

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 12:50 AM

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ashen fossil wtf is this long-ass line for? im scared to touch it since it seems to contain l...

this file is autogenerated

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you edit the json source for it

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i need to move over all of them to json

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and make generating from json simpler

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because it turns out to be a useful way of doing things

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 1:18 AM

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Oooo got it

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So I put the changes in to json file, got it I’ll do that later

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 5:14 AM

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nathan can we tell the file that the materialaudio options are exclusively "NONE", "MAGICAL" and "LAVA"? also could you look into available options for the breakaudio enums? its probs just the ones used by materials already but itd be nice to verify o/

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huh, there actually seem to be a few audio things, physics event, wall and solid, interesting

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 5:22 AM

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ashen fossil REAL - `count_per_material_type` definitely exists on `<MaterialInventoryCompone...

oh also wanted to know about the 3 things in the last section: audio_event_name, color and fire_hp="-1", all on CD

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also is there a way to read filename? like interpret syntax differently depending on mod.xml VS compatibility.xml VS workshop.xml?

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 5:58 AM

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ashen fossil ~~nathan can we tell the file that the materialaudio options are exclusively "NO...

nvm

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:08 AM

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ashen fossil ~~nathan can we tell the file that the materialaudio options are exclusively "NO...

change the types and write them

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see reaction direction for example

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:09 AM

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seem like you already do this tho judging by the fact you have the enums written down somewhere

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:09 AM

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wdym?

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:09 AM

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ashen fossil nvm

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dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:10 AM

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oh yeah

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:10 AM

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oh the type isnt properly assigned, ill just fix that then- oh does it work?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:10 AM

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idk where i got those

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:10 AM

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lmao? bizarre, ill replace type anyway then? i assume thats fine??

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:10 AM

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yes

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run generate and test things out

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:11 AM

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sure, i also made a magic numbers list- i havent verified if all of the magic numbers listed on the wiki exist cuz holy fuck theres so many, is there a way to automate searching a list of stuff in ghidra to find out which ones return 0 results?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:12 AM

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just use ghidra

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i will collect them

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:12 AM

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i am, how do i go over a list?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:12 AM

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mosttly i copi paste the decomp then hit it with a vim macro to make it usable

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not very proper but works well enough

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:12 AM

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ive been using ghidra thus far to search for if stuff is referenced, but theres just too many to go over individually

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apparently there are 404 individual magic numbers

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:13 AM

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ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:13 AM

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i probably verified like the first 30-40 or so before deciding shit sucked and i was just gonna deal with that another time

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:18 AM

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ashen fossil oh also wanted to know about the 3 things in the last section: `audio_event_name...

can you check at some point if audio_event_name and color are real things on CellData at some point?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:18 AM

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currently making json for magic nums

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need to clean up the broken types

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:19 AM

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noted

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ill pass over the few doc stuff i had written up in my magic numbers json later then

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:22 AM

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ive been hit by the mysterious yellow square

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i probably need to figure out what part of my setup is broken and causes it

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dpesnt help that my monitor is at least partially broken so i can't rule out hardware failure

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:23 AM

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PR here
https://github.com/NathanSnail/noita_xml_dtd/pull/7

GitHub

Did a few things by FatalUserK · Pull Request #7 · NathanSnail/no...

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:23 AM

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dull saffron dpesnt help that my monitor is at least partially broken so i can't rule out har...

i assumed yellow square was metaphor for weird unexplainable issue, but, do you mean, like, a literally yellow square on your monitor?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:23 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:23 AM

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bizarre

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:23 AM

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aha

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:24 AM

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huh

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:24 AM

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its not hardware failure because its in screenshot

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:24 AM

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not a monitor issue ig

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yeah

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:24 AM

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dull saffron aha

my favourite mob

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:27 AM

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ashen fossil PR here https://github.com/NathanSnail/noita_xml_dtd/pull/7

PR has my magic numbers thingy, and a couple minor fixes/additions to stuff
default value for convert_to_material type attributes is "", not "air", added on_fire_convert_to_material, added color to <CosmeticParticleConfig/>- wait thats not right materials use <ParticleEffect/>

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wait theres no ParticleEffect mentioned in any of the jsons but its recognised as CellData Legal and even has stuff it does and doesnt accept, it is just identical to <CosmeticParticleConfig/>? what??

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nather why is your xsd thingy so weird?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:29 AM

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product types with custom names are <Name> in the xml

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struct Thing {
  struct Inner someName;
};

will look like <Thing <someName someField = 12/> <Thing/> in the xml

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so you end up with different looking elements that are the same

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:30 AM

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okay, so ParticleEffect is just CosmeticParticleConfig?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:30 AM

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probably

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:31 AM

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its the only thing in the xsd thing that takes airflow_scale which is something that also exists on ParticleEffect so ima assume so

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got it so i didnt mess anything up, color is correct, PR should be good then

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:37 AM

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looks like the wiki is correct

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none missing and no ficticious ones

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:37 AM

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W

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:38 AM

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time to abstract the json stuff away

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i didnt realise id have like 5 different jsons that do the same thing

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:39 AM

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honestly kinda hope we can get modders in general to contribute to the xsd and turn it into a documentation thingy that people will actually update with info cuz its smth people actively use, and then data from the xsd can be passed down to the wiki later down the line

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~~first step is of course to make sure we get all the components, attributes and types correctly set up~~

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:41 AM

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ashen fossil also is there a way to read filename? like interpret syntax differently dependin...

oh, is it possible to do this btw? @dull saffron

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since those 3 files use diff aspects of Mod component

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:41 AM

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i think you should just do it explicitly

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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<?xml-model href="entity.xsd" type="application/xml-xsd"?>

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noitas xml parser can handle them

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:42 AM

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idk what you mean

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:43 AM

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add this to the top of the file

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and itll use that xsd

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:43 AM

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to the top of the XML file? like in each individual mod?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:44 AM

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yes

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alternatively in the lsp config you can specify xsd for paths with more specificity

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:44 AM

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that feels like more effort than its worth lmao

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:44 AM

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dull saffron alternatively in the lsp config you can specify xsd for paths with more specific...

this sounds like smth, what do you mean?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:46 AM

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when you configure your xml language server

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you specify what xsd to use for what

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:49 AM

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you mean here?

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that works

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:50 AM

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yes

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also spaces in filepath

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evil

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:50 AM

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true but i didnt consider it when i made the folder lmao, perhaps ill fix

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so something like this is what we'd expect?

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that can work

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:51 AM

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yes probably

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:53 AM

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do you know if <Mod/> has any funny secret properties or checks in-engine that we dont know about?

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or if you dont know, would that be smth you could check at some point? seems unlikely, but potentially interesting

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:53 AM

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ashen fossil do you know if <Mod/> has any funny secret properties or checks in-engine that w...

wdym?

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:54 AM

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wondering if the engine has any checks for properties on <Mod/> that arent documented

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:55 AM

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pretty sure i found the fields in engine before remembering examples exist

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:55 AM

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im wondering if theres just any undocumented behaviour towards the mod.xml fiels

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mmmm fair enough

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:55 AM

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📎 message.txt

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:56 AM

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what lang is this, C++?

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its making my vsc very sad

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:57 AM

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c++ish

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:57 AM

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"ish"???

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:57 AM

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ghidra generated

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its meant to be c++ mostly

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more c with namespaces

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 6:57 AM

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ah, i thought you were about to tell me nolla did some horrid language amalgamation to make their engine

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huh, this isnt everything, ig workshop.xml stuff isnt included, nor compatibility.xml

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purely mod.xml attr, thats interesting, ig this is just the interpreter for mod.xml and there isnt really a defined struct/type for <Mod/>?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 6:59 AM

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ashen fossil huh, this isnt everything, ig workshop.xml stuff isnt included, nor compatibilit...

they are seperate parsers

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you have a type which is what it parses, then a name

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:00 AM

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yeah that makes sense, do you happen to have the other two on hand?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:00 AM

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its just like how in components Transform is ctypes::xform or whatever and in entities its _Transform

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:00 AM

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well ig i meant it doesnt have a rigid structure- ig i could check if this stuff is listed somewhere else

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:00 AM

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ashen fossil yeah that makes sense, do you happen to have the other two on hand?

give me some strings they use

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easy to find

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:01 AM

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ui_newgame_description?

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ooo wait im dumb

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hold on

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misunderstood what you meant

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:01 AM

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ashen fossil ui_newgame_description?

yes but for others

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:01 AM

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_format_version
version_built_with
compatibility ^^^

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:02 AM

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📎 message.txt

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those are the only 2

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:03 AM

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dont_upload_folders
dont_upload_files
workshop.xml ^^

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:04 AM

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dev exe exclusive 😭

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:04 AM

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@gloomy veldt fix this btw, spaces break the tags, spells and alchemy are actually spells and alchemy and wont be found under those tags on the workshop

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:05 AM

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description, dont_upload_folders, dont_upload_files

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thats all

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:05 AM

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noted

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and tags, no?

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and name?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:06 AM

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oh wait

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i dont have small strings marked here

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tags, name as well

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:07 AM

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ashen fossil <@532582331333214211> fix this btw, spaces break the tags, `spells` and `alchemy...

@lilac elk you too

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im just going through mods rq with this issue- lemme move this to mod dev rq lmao

lilac elk Jul 9, 2025, 7:08 AM

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Ooh, okay thanks

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:39 AM

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ashen fossil okay, so ParticleEffect is just CosmeticParticleConfig?

whats meant to use this?

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 7:40 AM

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CellData uses ParticleEffect

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 7:41 AM

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also in future run generate in your pr

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so that way the changes to the xsd actually appear in it

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rather than whatever commit comes next

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ive made the json system easy to use, moving over sprite, biomes_alll to it at some point is needed

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 10:46 AM

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dull saffron also in future run generate in your pr

sure, got it 👍

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:53 AM

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for useful things to do id do workshop.xml, compatability.xml, font files, moving existing hand written xsd to json

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 10:54 AM

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wheres the hadwritten xsd stuff?

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and yeah ill get back to this stuff proper in some hours, i didnt get much sleep last night so ill be taking a nap soon

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:55 AM

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sprite.xsd and biomes_all.xsd

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also transform should probably use the generation system

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it was somewhat handwritten because i didn't support vector2s (or any a.b style xml types)

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and really i out to create a directory for the generated content, the testing content, and the source content

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 10:57 AM

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ought?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:57 AM

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yes

polar trout Jul 9, 2025, 10:57 AM

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materials_source?

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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ought to create an out dir

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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polar trout materials_source?

?

polar trout Jul 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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that would be a pain to generate imo

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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we're generating from json files, idk if theres a misunderstanding about that

dull saffron Jul 9, 2025, 10:58 AM

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oh ill keep the source xsds

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for the base

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but rather than having a handwritten sprite xsd i want it to be jsonified

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some of the subelements in materials should also be jsoned

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currently they dont have lsp hover

polar trout Jul 9, 2025, 10:59 AM

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i think i did that one dirty just to shut it up

gloomy veldt Jul 9, 2025, 12:46 PM

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ashen fossil <@532582331333214211> fix this btw, spaces break the tags, `spells` and `alchemy...

where is this at? GE?

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 12:48 PM

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Yeah Glimmer’s Expanded, and I might’ve seen it on one of your other mods? Just double check for spaces following commas on all your mods

gloomy veldt Jul 9, 2025, 12:59 PM

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Alright, thanks for the heads up!! I did notice some jank stuff with my tags on the workshop; maybe that's the issue

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 1:08 PM

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CC had the same for a few years, just thought to check up on some mods I use and found Gram and GE had the same issues, along with a few others

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Surprisingly less common mistake than I would’ve thought tbh lmao

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At least considering the fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else bring it up before in my presence at the very least

gloomy veldt Jul 9, 2025, 3:14 PM

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Yaaaay it's fixed :D

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thanks!

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 11:34 PM

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is it possible to have default values change depending on cell type btw? since liquids solids and whatnot have diff default values for some attributes

compact yew Jul 9, 2025, 11:35 PM

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electrical_conductivity has a different default depending on other fields (including cell_type). I don't know about any others

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 11:35 PM

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the defaults for diff cell types are listed on the wiki iirc

compact yew Jul 9, 2025, 11:37 PM

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ashen fossil is it possible to have default values change depending on cell type btw? since l...

ig I don't understand what you're asking. Aren't you answering your own question here

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 11:38 PM

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no, im asking if the XSD autocomplete system can handle conditional defaults

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not a noita question, moreso an xml xsd question#

compact yew Jul 9, 2025, 11:38 PM

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I see. I was missing the XSD context

ashen fossil Jul 9, 2025, 11:39 PM

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yeah couldve been clearer, if they cant we'll have to choose which material we consider the default

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probs whatever the default celltype is

dull saffron Jul 10, 2025, 12:54 AM

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ashen fossil is it possible to have default values change depending on cell type btw? since l...

xsd 1.1 can, but lemminx is only xsd 1.0

ashen fossil Jul 10, 2025, 3:48 PM

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dull saffron xsd 1.1 can, but lemminx is only xsd 1.0

mmmm and i assume we need lemminx?

dull saffron Jul 11, 2025, 6:07 AM

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well i want it to work with the lsp i use entity_hamis

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i suppose we could raise the minimum requirements

ashen fossil Jul 11, 2025, 6:13 AM

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thats fair, if we can raise it thatd be convenient

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:43 AM

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@dull saffron what does this actually mean?

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:43 AM

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lets you specify an xsd path in a file

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see test folder for usage

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noita can handle it being included

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:43 AM

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okay, that sounds really inefficient, can i remove it?

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 AM

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🤷‍♀️

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 AM

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like, you specifically add it to the singular file you wanna use?

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 AM

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ill specify that then ig

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 AM

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itd probably be good for compat and workshop xml when they exist

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to disambiguate what it is

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ig you could do **/compatability.xml → ...

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:50 AM

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dull saffron itd probably be good for compat and workshop xml when they exist

yeah thats the plan, for now ive excluded it but this is what i have my file looking like

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anyway, here PR https://github.com/NathanSnail/noita_xml_dtd/pull/8

GitHub

Improved README.md by FatalUserK · Pull Request #8 · NathanSnail/...

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

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btw json cant have trailling comma

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unlike nvims lua config

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

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oh fuck did i leave one in?

dull saffron Jul 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

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2 entity_hamis

ashen fossil Jul 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

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yeah i knew that i just forgot to exclude

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fuck lmao

ashen fossil Aug 8, 2025, 1:04 PM

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can this even be accounted for in the xsd?

dull saffron Aug 8, 2025, 11:06 PM

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ashen fossil can this even be accounted for in the xsd?

Sure

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Your are sort of meant to use text in xml rather than attributes for everything

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Nolla just doesn't mostly

ashen fossil Aug 9, 2025, 12:02 AM

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ah, i did not know that lmao

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noita xml is the only time ive ever seen xml lmao

ashen fossil Aug 10, 2025, 4:40 AM

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@polar trout you surely remembered or documented your findings while working on biome stuff, right? :D

polar trout Aug 10, 2025, 10:34 AM

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random bullshit go

ashen fossil Sep 20, 2025, 3:03 AM

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seems inaccurate, considering nolla uses material names

dull saffron Sep 20, 2025, 3:20 AM

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yes

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material types are kinda weird

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they are converted to int by the xml parser so the type is int

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maybe modify generator to make the type some material type if its a material type and not an int

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not sure how to easily detect

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configs are all from dexter

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he did some engine patch to generate them

ashen fossil Sep 20, 2025, 11:30 AM

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dull saffron they are converted to int by the xml parser so the type is int

yeah i remember the same thing for other material stuff before

dull saffron Sep 20, 2025, 11:30 AM

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open a pr if you figure out a good solution

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also actually run your pr and test it works this time

ashen fossil Sep 20, 2025, 11:30 AM

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i mean my suggestion would be string makes more sense than int imo

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why would you set a mat id for it thats just prone to break, ideally taking both would be nice but string is def more important imo, perhaps add a note saying it can take int mat id or smth

compact yew Sep 20, 2025, 11:35 AM

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int field in the "custom data types" section is good enough to differentiate between integers and material name fields, I'm pretty sure. Even if it's not, that would be a good starting point for creating a hard coded list.

dull saffron Sep 20, 2025, 11:44 AM

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seems likely

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theres only a single one there

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so idk

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theres a uint32 colour

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sprite doesnt seem to be in merged

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current bugs are:
jump_trajectories
count_per_material_type
cloth_color accepts hex (maybe all ints do?)
only_position is legal in inherit transform

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 3:34 AM

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_version might be real

ashen fossil Sep 21, 2025, 4:02 AM

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i would presume so considering example mod has it

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 4:03 AM

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nolla frequently uses stuff that doesnt exist

ashen fossil Sep 21, 2025, 4:05 AM

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tru but for the example mod?

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 4:05 AM

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quite possible

ashen fossil Sep 21, 2025, 4:06 AM

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example mod is questionable but i dont think it just has fake stuff in it

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though tbh i wouldnt bet money on it lmao

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 4:07 AM

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_version does exist and does get read but it gets immediately thrown out and not used

ashen fossil Sep 21, 2025, 4:08 AM

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thats amusing

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worth putting in a note "hey this property exists but doesnt do anything"

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can we mark it with yellow with a custom warning? i imagine so

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 4:08 AM

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maybe

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also we need to move entity away from handwritten to json generated

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doesnt seem like xsd or lemminx has a way to do deprecated

dull saffron Sep 21, 2025, 8:28 AM

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i wonder if 3.40282e+038 is actually valid

ashen fossil Sep 21, 2025, 9:31 AM

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i believe things do interpret that format correctly so presumably

ashen fossil Oct 19, 2025, 6:02 PM

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do we not have default values for min/max count on LoadEntitiesComponent?

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also nathan you should make an NXML post in #1391736603348697220 since its a p handy tool/lib thats used by many mods

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would make it easier to find

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.moddev

pure geyserBOT Oct 19, 2025, 6:08 PM

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**FAQ: moddev (Creator: nathansnail)**

Introduction to mod development

Wiki page: Modding

Various tools for mod development

Text editor: VSCode | Nvim | kickstart.nvim
Git: Website
LuaLS: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP
Lemminx: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP | Github - VSCode
Lua definitions: Github
XML definitions: Github
Type definitions: Github

Mods for mod development

Component explorer: Releases | Install Guide
- Limited functionality: Workshop
Spell Lab Shugged: Workshop | Github
Conjurer Reborn: Workshop | Github

Various libraries which are often useful

NXML: Github
Smallfolk: Github

upper siren Oct 19, 2025, 7:58 PM

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ashen fossil do we not have default values for min/max count on LoadEntitiesComponent?

0,0 according to component docs

ashen fossil Oct 19, 2025, 7:58 PM

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noted, much appreciated 👍

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:11 AM

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_format_version
version_built_with
workshop_item_id
settings_fold_open
request_no_api_restrictions
ui_newgame_name
ui_newgame_description
ui_newgame_gfx_banner_bg
ui_newgame_gfx_banner_fg
is_game_mode
game_mode_supports_save_slots
is_translation
translation_xml_path
translation_csv_path```
bunch of strings i found, seem to all be tied to <Mod/> space

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also found this lmao

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:12 AM

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special vanilla perms

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:12 AM

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oh i think OnModSettingsChanged might be a init function?

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never heard of it before

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:12 AM

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dull saffron special vanilla perms

which?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:13 AM

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ashen fossil oh i think `OnModSettingsChanged` might be a init function?

its in lua api

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:13 AM

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oh is it already documented in the api defs?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:13 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:15 AM

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got it, there are a lot of init funcs that arent lablled in the example mod, i would be worth compiling into a proper list if i get around to improving modding documentation on the noita wiki

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:15 AM

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lua api has a full list

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:16 AM

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in sequence? thatll make it convenient

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:17 AM

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?

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:18 AM

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BEAT_THE_GAME
BIOME_EXCAVATION_SITE
BIOME_SNOWCAVE
BIOME_SNOWCASTLE
BIOME_RAINFOREST
BIOME_VAULT
BIOME_CRYPT
GODS_AFRAID
GODS_IMPRESSED
GODS_ENRAGED
PROGRESS_PERKS
PROGRESS_SPELLS
PROGRESS_ENEMIES
ALL_ORBS```
list of achievement ids you can input into GameGiveAchievement()

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:19 AM

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true

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though this is somewhat useless because its not possible to call

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:19 AM

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this is the main thing i booted up for lmao

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:19 AM

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mod restriction

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:19 AM

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dull saffron though this is somewhat useless because its not possible to call

disable mod restriction mods

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i agree its not very useful but i disagree that its entirely useless

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wish we had a function to revoke achievements

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it wouldve been so funny for fairmod lmao

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you can pay in achievements to do stuff- oh we should implement that with the existing achievement system

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natherrr

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what do :(

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:22 AM

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whats this for?

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i did some evil things to the history

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:22 AM

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apparently unpushed changes to autoluaapis repo but idr doing anything

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:22 AM

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you should reset to remote state

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i changed my email address

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:23 AM

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can you tell me how or gimme command?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:23 AM

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so every commit got tinkered with

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:23 AM

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ashen fossil can you tell me how or gimme command?

delete the entire repo and clone it again is easiest

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:23 AM

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got it

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Verifying Engine Stuff for XML and Lua definitions

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okay, now thats out the way

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@dull saffron :D
in the repo, GameGiveAchievement isnt in main.py, so should i just directly put info into out.lua? how should i add documentation to things?

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dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:29 AM

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out.lua shouldnt be touched

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:29 AM

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okay so what should i do

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:30 AM

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add it to overrides if you want it to have custom functionality

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:30 AM

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got it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:30 AM

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only the manually written functions are in main.py

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technically out.lua shouldnt be in the repo and you should build it yourself

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:31 AM

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okay but thats annoying and inconvenient

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:31 AM

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repos should not contain build artifacts

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they should go in releases

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:32 AM

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the repo is already like 3 files text files, including README.md

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convenience outweighs cost here imo

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:33 AM

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ashen fossil ``` BEAT_THE_GAME BIOME_EXCAVATION_SITE BIOME_SNOWCAVE BIOME_SNOWCASTLE BIOME_RA...

nather is there a convenient way i could go "the list of possible string inputs are these"?

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for GameGiveAchievement

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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union type

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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how do i specify union type here in the override thingy?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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entity_hamis

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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oh you're so true actually

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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alternatively

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:37 AM

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like so?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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surely string is wrong

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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?

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i just copied how the damage thingy did it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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well is string a valid value to pass?

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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the function does take string

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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can you just pass any string?

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notably not

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

#

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:38 AM

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whereas with dealing damage you can do whatever you want

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its just it makes the most sense to use the standard damage translations

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:39 AM

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oh i thought that first thing was just specifying the type it is and then the inputs

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i didnt realise it was like "this type OR any of these inputs"

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got it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:39 AM

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its the union of the types

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a union is like a set union of the sets corresponding to each type

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:39 AM

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so this? or do i not want the > there?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:40 AM

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mostly like a coproduct

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:40 AM

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ashen fossil so this? or do i not want the `>` there?

why is beat_the_game the default / special value?

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:40 AM

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it was just the first listed in the engine, does > specify a default value?

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if so i can remove it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:40 AM

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makes that value more visible

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:40 AM

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got it, ill remove it then

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this is all interesting to know

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:41 AM

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also no need to newline

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:41 AM

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it looks cleaner, should i make it all one continuous line then?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:41 AM

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yeah probably

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out.lua is a bit bloated

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:42 AM

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got it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:42 AM

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i dont use like 2000 lines on the different component fields

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i try to avoid bloating it too much if possible

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:43 AM

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got it

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so this is good?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:45 AM

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probably put the extra info afterwards

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and not that its mod restrictions

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:45 AM

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you mean move the comment after args, or what?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:45 AM

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the extra comment info should be after the built in one

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:46 AM

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how do i change that?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:46 AM

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rewrite the comment

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:46 AM

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wait whats the built in comment?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:46 AM

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the main one

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also corresponding is spelt wrong

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:47 AM

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or are you just saying label the fact its not safe api after main point of what it does?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:47 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:47 AM

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ah okay sure

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:47 AM

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also maybe note that its a steam achievement

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:48 AM

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?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:48 AM

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rather than treechievement or whatever

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:49 AM

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oh you're saying i should specify it as steam achievement

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yeah thats fair i forgot treechievements exist

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is this good?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:50 AM

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caps are ugly

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idk nicely worded description is better

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why doesnt it work in safe api

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also . before \n

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:52 AM

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dull saffron why doesnt it work in safe api

well

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steam achievement

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:52 AM

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yes

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also use for the param name

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:52 AM

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dull saffron caps are ugly

works here imo

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:53 AM

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or ' actually

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' gets replaced with markdowned version elsewhere

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:55 AM

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NATHER

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RAT 🫵

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:56 AM

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the classic if TESTING

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entity_hamis

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:56 AM

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ah

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well still running the file didnt do anything

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hrmmm

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:56 AM

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set testing to no

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:56 AM

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oh

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you're still rat then

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:56 AM

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alternatively if i had set it up so that out.lua wasnt part of the repo this wouldnt be an issue

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:57 AM

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but also it wouldnt be an issue if testing mode wasnt enabled in the main repo 👁️

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:57 AM

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its more convenient for me

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:57 AM

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also p sure it would be? i dont see how that resolves it

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hmm still no worky

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nathan am i crazy or is it still using your base_path as its default?

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where does it grab my path?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 10:59 AM

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ashen fossil also p sure it would be? i dont see how that resolves it

you wouldnt need to build out.lua locally

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 10:59 AM

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dull saffron you wouldnt need to build out.lua locally

????

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im building it cuz i just made changes and would like to apply them

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and releases are more inconvenient for users to download than just, git pulling

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:00 AM

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yeah but you could create a PR and just not test entity_hamis

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:00 AM

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tru testing for the weak fr

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id rather have my documentation work when i make it

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if you're asleep or smth i might have to wait like 6-8 hours before it worky, is annoying

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anyway why this no worky

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:01 AM

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you should just be able to run it

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idk git pull

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and then see

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:02 AM

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hm, ill give it a go

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:02 AM

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probably need to pip install

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:02 AM

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wait config.py?

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got it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:02 AM

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i dont use requirements.txt because im like that

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:03 AM

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is this all i need to run?

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i dont use python lmao

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:03 AM

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no idea

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maybe beautifulsoup?

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:03 AM

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mmmm to google!

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:04 AM

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thats python

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not a terminal

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:04 AM

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oh would cmd work?

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nope

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what terminal nather

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oh, this?

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nvm

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:05 AM

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ashen fossil *what terminal nather*

one which is running a shell that can run commands

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preferablly the shell knows of pip

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:05 AM

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hmm

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i mean the python thing i was in just now knew pip

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CMD does seem to work

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:07 AM

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ok i set up uv

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using proper tooling wow

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just do uv run main.py

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and it should all work

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installing uv is left as an exercise to the reader

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:08 AM

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i got bs4 installed now

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:08 AM

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dull saffron just do `uv run main.py`

got it?

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how install UV?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:09 AM

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idk google

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:09 AM

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google told me how to install python through UV lmao

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oh found it

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????????????????????

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why no stash option

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:10 AM

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use cli git

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:10 AM

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wretched wretched program

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:10 AM

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it actually works

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:10 AM

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cli git?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:11 AM

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just use git normally

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:11 AM

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nvm im just gonna save the entire file to clipboard thats simpler

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:11 AM

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wow its incredible

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:14 AM

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nothing happens when i add folder as C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Noita/modding stuff/AutoLuaAPI

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:14 AM

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thats not where your tools modding is

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:14 AM

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ooooooooo got it

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:14 AM

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also spaces in file path 😱

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:14 AM

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it reads from there, noted

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:15 AM

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ideally it would throw some errors

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but its python so i dont think about that

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:17 AM

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W, worked

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:17 AM

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that is broke

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⚠️

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:20 AM

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made pr- oh

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you're true? hold on

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why did that happen?

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dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:21 AM

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your args wrong

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:21 AM

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is it?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:21 AM

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yes

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() is for overload

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because you just write the whole thing

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:22 AM

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?

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ah

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i see

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fixed

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pr
https://github.com/NathanSnail/AutoLuaAPI/pull/2

GitHub

added additional GameGiveAchievement info by FatalUserK · Pull Req...

added list of valid achievement IDs for GameGiveAchievement()

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:24 AM

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no caps 💥

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see main.py:580 for example way i described thing not working

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steal that style or something

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:26 AM

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is this satisfactory my liege?

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:26 AM

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i did thing

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🤔

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is my lsp just melting or is this a real issue

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it really hates this file

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indeed your code is wrong

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smh test your types work

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:27 AM

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i sent screenshots and followed your intructions 😔

dull saffron Oct 26, 2025, 11:28 AM

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it looked vaguely correct

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fun i can just push to your repo

ashen fossil Oct 26, 2025, 11:30 AM

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oh thats amusing

ashen fossil Nov 3, 2025, 11:21 PM

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added pr for note about potential Randomf() inaccuracy, feel free to correct
https://github.com/NathanSnail/AutoLuaAPI/pull/3

GitHub

added note about Randomf() error by FatalUserK · Pull Request #3 ...

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:23 AM

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run the generator

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also does this apply to the other random fns?

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add comments them to if so

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otherwise suggest Random() * (b - a) + a

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also almost certainly applies to ProceduralRandomf

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:36 AM

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dull saffron also does this apply to the other random fns?

perchance? i didnt test

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i didnt run the generator cuz i figured youd want to improve the phrasing in some manner so i left as is

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i imagine it doesnt happen with the reg random funcs im testing the float ones rn

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confirmed on ProceduralRandomf()

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confirmed on RandomDistributionf()

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why are there 3 funcs?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:48 AM

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i dont know

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:48 AM

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and why does i say it can return an int but return value doesnt match that

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:48 AM

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nolla docs wrong

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:48 AM

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they use all 3 funcs more than 50 times each, wild

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:49 AM

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one day nolla will design something well

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:53 AM

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done, check PR

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guh wait no

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fixed

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https://github.com/NathanSnail/AutoLuaAPI/pull/3

GitHub

added note about Randomf() error by FatalUserK · Pull Request #3 ...

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:55 AM

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is that even correct for RandomDistributionf?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:55 AM

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i mean i tested it

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but it is very hard assuming you have sane values

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it happens frequently if the mean is one of the bounds

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:56 AM

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is it just slightly out of bounds?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:56 AM

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i got it every few million iterations setting the mean to the upperbound of 93.66

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:56 AM

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suggest using Random() * (b - a) + a instead

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and check that that actually works good

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does random with no args even work?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:57 AM

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i used this since i thought itd be sufficient, ill give it a go

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:57 AM

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or is it also [0, 1]

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:57 AM

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dull saffron suggest using Random() * (b - a) + a instead

what does this mean out of curiosity?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:57 AM

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?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:58 AM

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like, what is this testing for, to see if Random() goes out of bounds? surely it doesnt

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:58 AM

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[0, 1) * (b - a) = [0, b - a], [0, b - a) + a = [a, b)

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:58 AM

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can 1 be faulted in a precision error?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:58 AM

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probably you should just indicate that the range is [min, max] and sometimes slightly above max if its unlucky?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:59 AM

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dull saffron [0, 1) * (b - a) = [0, b - a], [0, b - a) + a = [a, b)

this is nonsense to me idk this

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 12:59 AM

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smh no interval arithmetic?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 12:59 AM

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dull saffron probably you should just indicate that the range is [min, max] and sometimes sli...

i mean id assume it can be below too if min wasnt 0, idk how float to double conversion works though it might only be up

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:00 AM

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you can use the interwebs or something to find out

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:00 AM

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ik i just assumed it made sense for float imprecision to happen up and low

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yeah idk im not getting anything

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nothing that i get at least

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:04 AM

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also you can maybe deuglify the vanilla comments

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:05 AM

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yeah i did consider doing that

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i dont think the whole spiel on how Random() works needs to exist 4 whole times

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:10 AM

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Random() is code

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:10 AM

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true

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fixed

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:10 AM

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probably just do identical to ```lua
SetRandomSeed(x, y)
Random(a, b)

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:11 AM

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got it

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:11 AM

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or does the seed get unset?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:11 AM

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actually i assume it doesnt

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mmm geh ig ill test

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:13 AM

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doesnt get unset

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:13 AM

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ah

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makes sense

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:18 AM

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also between 0.0 and 1.0 is ambiguous

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is it [0, 1] or [0, 1)?

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   else if (max == 0) {
      max = (int)RNGState * 0x41a7 + ((int)RNGState / 0x1f31d) * -0x7fffffff;
      if (max < 1) {
         max = max + 0x7fffffff;
      }
      RNGState = (double)max;
      local_208 = (float)(RNGState * 4.656612875e-10) + (float)NULL;
      lua_checkstack(param_1,1);
      lua_pushnumber(param_1,(double)CONCAT44(uVar1,(int)((ulonglong)(double)local_208 >> 0x20)));
   }

what the code does

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:20 AM

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dull saffron is it [0, 1] or [0, 1)?

whats the difference?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:20 AM

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1 ∈ [0, 1] but not [0, 1)

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:20 AM

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oh whether 1 is included or not?

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whether the value can be 1?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:21 AM

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yes

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∈ = is an element of

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:22 AM

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dull saffron Random() is code

were you telling me to do this?

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cuz no worky and idr how to make worky if so

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:23 AM

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ashen fossil were you telling me to do this?

yes

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when you hover the function it should put random() in a code block

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:23 AM

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you also do not do this very much

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:23 AM

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you can also do ```lua if you want full code examples

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:23 AM

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ashen fossil you also do not do this very much

thats from nolla i thought?

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or is it a me issue

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ah it is me

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:24 AM

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i tried finding an example on how to make it work properly (cuz its doing this for me), but all your function mentions are not in code blocks in main.py

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:24 AM

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oh wait it gets autoadded

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:24 AM

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so how fix?

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yeah i was wonering if smth was doing that lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:25 AM

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hmm the () are out of the block

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:25 AM

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yeah thats the part that was confusing me

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:25 AM

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ashen fossil so how fix?

remove the manual `

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i forgot it got autoadded

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:25 AM

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doing that rn to test

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concerning

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dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:27 AM

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it not including () is a bug im fixing

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:27 AM

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👍

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ping when fixed, ill build and push

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:29 AM

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it is

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:30 AM

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done

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PR surely good now

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wait no

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built

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i forgot to do that, now it should be good

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:32 AM

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what is between 0 and 1?

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also this is borked

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:32 AM

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guh

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lemme fix

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:32 AM

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---This does not interfere with the current random seed from SetRandomSeed().
this iswrong

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at least probably

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give it a test

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:34 AM

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dull saffron what is between 0 and 1?

includes 1

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:34 AM

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dull saffron ---This does not interfere with the current random seed from `SetRandomSeed()`. ...

???? didnt you say it didnt reset it?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:34 AM

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so note its [0, 1]

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:34 AM

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geh cant you

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you have edit perms

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:35 AM

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ashen fossil ???? didnt you say it didnt reset it?

not getting unset ⇒ does get set and not unset

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so it interferes with the state

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:35 AM

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ah it interferes with the state cuz its counted as running a random func, i assume it was outside of that, got it

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are you ammending this or shall i?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:36 AM

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ashen fossil includes 1

happened twice across 100,000,000 iterations btw lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:36 AM

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ashen fossil are you ammending this or shall i?

you can

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also i think itd be cool to do the show equivalent code thing

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because it is literally just

SetRandomSeed...
Random

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and so hovering it and seeing what its implementation is would be nice

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:38 AM

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ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:38 AM

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dull saffron because it is literally just ```lua SetRandomSeed... Random ```

oh so it is literally this got it

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:38 AM

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ashen fossil

in not between

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or from ig

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also i think i might have code blocked interval notation elsehere? idk

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:39 AM

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dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:39 AM

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probably correct enough

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:39 AM

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would be amusing if (0, 1]

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:40 AM

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surely they would never be so evil

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:40 AM

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dull saffron ```c++ else if (max == 0) { max = (int)RNGState * 0x41a7 + ((int)RNGSta...

actually if max = -2³¹ does this get a slightly negative value?

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probably rounds up to 0

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:41 AM

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like this?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:41 AM

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no

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multilines go on multiple lines

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and should be lua

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see GameOnCompleted

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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semicolons are lua

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technically

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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semicolons do (almost) nothing

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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they're useful for ultimate one-liners

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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you can remove them

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:42 AM

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i can here

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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you can almost always

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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just used it to get the idea across, make more sense to some

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ik

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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but the point of a multiline code block is to be multiline

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:43 AM

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geh i thought itd be ugly to multiline block in the middle of the comment

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fucking how lmao

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[[]] doesnt work

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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i thought this looks fine

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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surely not zn

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oh yeah

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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ashen fossil [[]] doesnt work

wrong language

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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check there

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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use \n or """

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:45 AM

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oh i thought \n wouldnt work, got it

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vsc doesnt support newlines unfortunately

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yours probs will work

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:47 AM

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?

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whats the comment look like

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:47 AM

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dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:47 AM

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nxml uses them heavily

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:47 AM

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]

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:47 AM

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see gameoncompleted

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:48 AM

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oooo

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W

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okay, ProcRnd =/= ProcRndi

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these are p much never the same value

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:53 AM

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ooh hang on they use a seperate rng?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 1:53 AM

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yes, that much at least

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 1:53 AM

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   SetSeed(&local_220,WorldSeed::Seed + NG+_Level,dStack_210,dStack_218);
   if (iVar1 == 2) {
      RandomStep(&local_220);
      if (0.0 <= dVar5) {
         local_220 = dVar5 + 0.5;
      }
      else {
         local_220 = dVar5 - 0.5;
      }
      lua_checkstack(param_1,1);
      floor(local_220);
      iVar1 = FUN_00dfbb10();
   }

local_220 is the rng

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same with the other one

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ok

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:00 AM

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so is it just the same but with diff seeding or is there a genuine difference to take note of?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:01 AM

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it uses a different seed

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and proceduralrandomi is weird

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:01 AM

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ProcRand funcs all use a diff seed and ProcRandi is extra weird?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:01 AM

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yes

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they use the same seeding method but dont modify the global seed

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:03 AM

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dull saffron because it is literally just ```lua SetRandomSeed... Random ```

but dont modify the global seed- so, do they interfere with the SRS or not?

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or wait, do you mean ProcRandi?

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geh whatever, ill let you figure this all out

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:05 AM

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ashen fossil but dont modify the global seed- so, do they interfere with the SRS or not?

no interference

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:06 AM

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is it just ProcRandi that doesnt interfere or is it all of them ProcRands?

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and if the former, is that all thats really different about it?

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?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:10 AM

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none of the proceduralrandoms do

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:10 AM

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dull saffron they use the same seeding method but dont modify the global seed

?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:11 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:11 AM

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oooo

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got it

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:11 AM

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   local_218 = 0.0;
   SetSeed(&local_218,WorldSeed::Seed + NG+_Level,dStack_220,dStack_210);

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:12 AM

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so whats special about ProceduralRandomi?

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just alternate seeding method or what?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:13 AM

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it doesnt modify global seed

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:13 AM

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what

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i thought you just said none of the procrandoms do

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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yes

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oh wait i

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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okay

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yes

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lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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uhh its case for 0 args is weird

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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is that it?

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this resulted in constant diff values

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so it clearly at least seeds differently too

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im just gonna push what ive done and leave you to figure out how ProcRandi works

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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dull saffron oh wait i

i think this is why we were going around in circles for a minute lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:16 AM

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proceduralrandom seems to return a float always?

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print some values

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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should this be code block?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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maybe

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it looks better in one i think

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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dull saffron print some values

gahhhh i just wanted to quickly document some small things and get back to CC developing 😭

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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oh i see, proceduralrandom makes a float then casts it to int

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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dull saffron proceduralrandom seems to return a float always?

huh, so it is

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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oh no cast

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that explains it

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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oh my god

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ProcRand == ProcRandf

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:21 AM

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indeed

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:21 AM

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im going to fucking kill nolla games what the fuck why

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Random() is int and Randomf() is float, why the fuck are both ProceduralRandom() and ProceduralRandomf() float and ProceduralRandomi() is int

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😭

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:25 AM

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its not almost identical

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because it doesnt change global seed

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:33 AM

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dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:33 AM

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note the differences

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:33 AM

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i do

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note was already there

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:33 AM

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reasonable

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do you note the special behaviours with 0 args?

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:34 AM

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guh

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what special behaviours are there?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:37 AM

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vanilla seems true enough

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test them ig

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:37 AM

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?

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i mean ig sure hold on

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:39 AM

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why doesnt forum read work

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i have to press <Esc> to mark messages as read

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:40 AM

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never change nolla, never change.

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they fucking cast 0-1 to int lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:40 AM

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   if (max == 2) {
      dVar3 = RandomDouble0To1(&rng);
      if (0.0 <= dVar3) {
         rng = dVar3 + 0.5;
      }
      else {
         rng = dVar3 - 0.5;
      }
      lua_checkstack(param_1,1);
      floor(rng);
      max = FUN_00dfbb10();
   }

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mystery fn

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:40 AM

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seems rounded rather than ceil/floor

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:41 AM

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im pretty sure it is literally always >= 0

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so its just floor(Random() + 0.5)

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actually is 0 <= -0 true 🤔

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and can Random() return -0

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:42 AM

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wha

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can you do this stuff on your own? i can push what i have now

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been stuck here for over 2 hours lmao

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:43 AM

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idk its probably pretty accurate now

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:43 AM

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0-1 behaviour sounds iffy but thats smth to figure out another day

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actually i can run a test rq for low values

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:43 AM

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i think the behaviour of ProcRandomi with no args might slightly depend on hardware features?

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it checks a hardware feature and uses a different approach depending on it

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im not sure if they are equivalent

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:44 AM

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new security vulnerability found, ProcRandi gives us user hardware information

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surely this can summon the devs back for epi3

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:45 AM

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   if (RoundModeThing == 0) {
      uVar1 = (ulonglong)ROUND(param_3);
      uStack_20 = (uint)uVar1;
      fStack_1c = (float)(uVar1 >> 0x20);
      fVar3 = (float)param_3;
      if ((uStack_20 != 0) || (fVar3 = fStack_1c, (uVar1 & 0x7fffffff00000000) != 0)) {
         if ((int)fVar3 < 0) {
            uVar1 = uVar1 + (0x80000000 < (uint)-(float)(param_3 - (float10)(longlong)uVar1));
         }
         else {
            uVar2 = (uint)(0x80000000 < (uint)(float)(param_3 - (float10)(longlong)uVar1));
            uVar1 = CONCAT44((int)fStack_1c - (uint)(uStack_20 < uVar2),uStack_20 - uVar2);
         }
      }
      return uVar1;
   }
   return CONCAT44(param_2,(int)param_3);

wtf is this garbage

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:45 AM

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idk what im looking at

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:45 AM

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exactly the issue

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:45 AM

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lmaoo

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:46 AM

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awesome, if i commit the params they all get deleted

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ghidra bug ig

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wha the hardware feature check dissapeared

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wait i commited the params and ghidra took me to a different fn

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:47 AM

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you seem to be correct that it cannot land on 0

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:47 AM

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ashen fossil would be amusing if (0, 1]

does that mean it literally is this?

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across 1 billion iterations, it did not land on 0 a single time

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dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:48 AM

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print the smallest values?

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your starting seed might just never hit 0

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the rng is periodic

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print whenever you get a repeat of the smallest value

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i suspect youll find that your rng is looping

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:49 AM

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ah, should i procrand with shifting seed then?

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smth like this?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:49 AM

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maybe

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it might be the rng cant ever return 0 because thatd get it in a bad state

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:50 AM

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yeah okay it still just doesnt seem real

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nothing at 300 million

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:50 AM

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there are 4 billion states

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:50 AM

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previously i hit 1 a few times within 100 million

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:51 AM

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dull saffron there are 4 billion states

but surely theres more than one 0 within that

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:51 AM

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ideally there shouldnt be

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:51 AM

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im gonna say it seems highly likely that 0 is not a possible return value, feel free to check the code to verify

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:53 AM

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i think it should be able to return -0?

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try change your condition to <= 0

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:53 AM

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i put in a check for less than 0 separately tho

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:54 AM

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ashen fossil smth like this?

surely this would also trigger if it hit -0, right?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:54 AM

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apparently -0 = 0

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:54 AM

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there was nothing except the percentage markers

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well then i still didnt hit anything for ==0

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so neither 0 nor -0 were returned within a billion iterations

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i can set my computer up to do 100 billion iterations overnight, but i think at this point its fairly certain

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:57 AM

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ig it can never be returned

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 2:57 AM

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yeah, im throwing this in now

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i believe this is the correct representation

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 2:58 AM

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evil

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:00 AM

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check PR, i pushed changes and built

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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did you run python formatter?

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its just black

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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seems to be formatted correctly

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:01 AM

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worked fine for me idk what you're saying

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:02 AM

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formatter

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:03 AM

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i dont think i have a formatter

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:03 AM

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it uses black

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:03 AM

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if theres a formatting issue surely you can fix it on your end

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wdym it uses black i dont know what you're saying

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:04 AM

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black formatter

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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is that like, the name of a formatter???

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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yes

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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got it

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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its not ideal

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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i didnt afaik

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:05 AM

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written in python so almost unusably slow

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and uses spaces (why does pep say to do this??)

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other than that its good

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writing tools in python is a terrible idea but always tempting to do

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:06 AM

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i dont have any python extensions installed

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wait no

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i do have some

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these are all

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should i replace spaces with proper tabs rq?

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:06 AM

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no

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if black actually worked with tabs then i wouldd

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:07 AM

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k ill just leave this to you then

dull saffron Nov 4, 2025, 3:07 AM

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but not having a formatter is too irritating

ashen fossil Nov 4, 2025, 3:08 AM

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W changes merged

ashen fossil Dec 8, 2025, 12:00 PM

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do we have a list of Session numbers we could dump into the relevant functions? iirc its a static list that cant be added to

polar trout Dec 8, 2025, 12:07 PM

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?
https://noita.wiki.gg/wiki/Documentation:_SessionNumbers

The Noita Wiki

Documentation: SessionNumbers

Used to store map and New Game Plus information for the current run.

ashen fossil Dec 8, 2025, 12:07 PM

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yeah i found those, someone should put that into the lua defs

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(im in lesson rn)

dull saffron Dec 8, 2025, 12:08 PM

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ashen fossil (im in lesson rn)

best time to do development

ashen fossil Dec 8, 2025, 12:08 PM

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yes ~~and best excuse to not do documentation, get on that nather!!~~

dull saffron Dec 8, 2025, 12:08 PM

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also someone whos less lazy than me should split up the generator script to be readable and reusable

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what if i want to autogenerate new versions of the api functions where multiple returns are replaced by table returns?

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rn i can't and would need to reimplement a parser for nollas broken doc format

polar trout Dec 8, 2025, 12:10 PM

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am working two jobs and have a family at home, can someone else pls do it

ashen fossil Dec 8, 2025, 12:12 PM

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i guess nathan's the only one available enough to do it 😔

dull saffron Dec 8, 2025, 12:20 PM

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worst hover ever

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idk why it looks so bad

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i think its lua not markdown and thats causing everything to go wrong

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why the -- doesn't hide it but the " doesn't work i cant say

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i think treesitter just hates this not even vaguely valid lua

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intereseting, if i manually remove the | the highlight gets fixed

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too bad i cant do that

ashen fossil Dec 22, 2025, 4:15 PM

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gameeffect comp, doesnt recognise mSerializedData and no_heal_max_hp_cap has its type as decimal which makes it angy when you put in string

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 6:19 PM

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not a string

ashen fossil Dec 22, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Isn’t everything supposed to be accepted as string in the xml file format?

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:45 PM

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?

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the issue is that its using e notation which xs:decimal doesnt work

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we need a new number type

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:47 PM

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do we

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:49 PM

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yes

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it can parse e stuff fine

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:51 PM

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the game doesn't use it tho

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as well as mSerializedData

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:53 PM

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yeah they are only meant to be used by engine

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mSerializedData is almost impossible to use correctly, so idc about it that much

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no_heal_max_hp_cap is actually useful

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:53 PM

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yeah, but

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who in the right mind will use the e notation

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:54 PM

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noller entity_hamis

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:54 PM

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they won't use xds def

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:54 PM

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true

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we have to read their code though

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:55 PM

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it's just CE export

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 8:55 PM

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yes

polar trout Dec 22, 2025, 8:55 PM

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do they really use e notation

ashen fossil Dec 22, 2025, 10:33 PM

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Idk it’s just what I got i think when I used CE to copy XML data, and I’m p sure it does work

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 10:49 PM

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mSerializedData is base 64

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the underlying data is not recognisable by an xsd pattern

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but doing a b64 string could be easy enough

ashen fossil Dec 22, 2025, 11:24 PM

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Used for poly iirc?

dull saffron Dec 22, 2025, 11:35 PM

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yes

ashen fossil Jan 15, 2026, 5:46 PM

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^ LoadPixelScene

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i think this is the colour table, so thats smth

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since the colour table is here, the actual setting of pixels should take place after this

dull saffron Jan 15, 2026, 10:26 PM

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ashen fossil

optimisestring?

ashen fossil Jan 15, 2026, 10:27 PM

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i thought it was a translation, but then after investigating the function with other people, it was concluded its doing something to strings- seemingly optimising them?

dull saffron Jan 15, 2026, 10:27 PM

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also your lua_gettop type is wrong

ashen fossil Jan 15, 2026, 10:27 PM

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p sure you were there for that

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i dont remember setting the type for lua_gettop

dull saffron Jan 15, 2026, 10:28 PM

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it might be std::string::from_cstr

dull saffron Jan 15, 2026, 10:28 PM

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ashen fossil i dont remember setting the type for lua_gettop

you can just import lua.h into ghidra and get them all set

ashen fossil Jan 15, 2026, 10:30 PM

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oh rly?

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lua.h?

dull saffron Jan 15, 2026, 10:30 PM

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yeah

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or copy them manually from lua.h but thats a bit silly

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somewhat worth messing with the types to make the index an enum which has a special value for the _G table so the decomp is nicer

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note that this is just the lua function for loading a pixel scene

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itll call the actual impl elsewhere

ashen fossil Jan 21, 2026, 3:43 AM

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todo: document ModSettingSetNextValue calling on ModSettingsUpdate after it runs, seemingly only in-game?

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also document is_default being annoying for no reason

ashen fossil May 12, 2026, 12:32 AM

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nather

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nather please we need biome xml defs

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im trynna make random corrupted biome stuff

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but idk what most of this is Devastated

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@jolly crypt i presume you handle most of the biome stuff in apoth? do you have any notes jotted down anywhere in terms of comments or anything detailing any of the parameters for biomes? or is it all stored safely away in your mind palace?

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i can gather the general stuff, name is name, type is whether its noise or wang generated, background image stuff

but theres weird stuff i dont understand here- limit background image? noise_biome_edges i can guess what its related to but idk what it does, i can make vague guesses about wang_map_width/height and audio_music_2 and audio_ambience

#Verifying Engine Stuff for XML and Lua definitions

thread where ima dump stuff i find in CC's code and ask engine people (probably nathern) whether its real

Introduction to mod development

Various tools for mod development

Mods for mod development

Various libraries which are often useful