Speed based Long Distance Travel

[hollow basin]

the 2 3x3's of chunks are 2^18 apart

according to lymm if you chunkload with kolmi you can just walk over to the mirror world

and its totally stable

which makes sense

[hollow basin]

^ in reality there are 4 of these mirror world 3x3's

[thorny verge]

i thought I tried this once, and crashed when arriving in 2^18, but maybe i was at crash...

[hollow basin]

oh also i wonder if this can be done for the 2000 -1 entity save file

[thorny verge]

that is the save file for entities in chunk 2000 -1? whats that about?

[hollow basin]

entitys are saved in entities_(2000*y+x).bin

so you can do strange stuff

[hollow basin]

kolmi loading 0,0 2^18,0 2*2^18,0 then tping to 0,-2^18, then back to 0,0 seemed to swap out the chunks that were being kolmi loaded ??

i didnt think that was possible

then crashed

chunk dupe attained on second attempt

wait you can just save and quit after mirror world

except not anymore??

who knows

[hollow basin]

kolmis, go to mirror world, kill kolmis, wait for chunks to return to normal, save and quit, travel back to spawn seems to cause chunk dupe

[unkempt osprey]

Hey what’s the purple spell thing in the center, and how do you get it?

[hollow basin]

inner spell

.beta

[finite magnet]

FAQ: beta (Creator: grahamburger)
The beta branch contains updates to the main game that you can access before they're released. If you have the game on Steam, here's how to access it:

• Right click the game in your Steam library
• Go to "Properties"
• Go to "Betas"
• Select "noitabeta" in the dropdown menu.
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[unkempt osprey]

Thank you

[ocean relic]

I love reading these conversations Koobey and Nathan have.

[hollow basin]

it is me ranting into the void

[thorny verge]

i do read them all though, even when i dont answer

[hollow basin]

theres also some strangeness in messages to lymm

with mirror worlds

idk

noiat is falling to pieces

if only secrets could be found

[ocean relic]

foreally!

[thorny verge]

is the first mirror world the distance from which point onwards entity duping happens?

[paper aspen]

Sounds right. Just tested it : teleport 0->260k - no chunk error. Everything closer to 2^18(262k) causes the chunk error. I believe it doesn't have to be the exact chunk, enough to just load it.

Cheat gui teleport comes in handy

[hollow basin]

as lymm noted, walking around just past kolmi mirror world loaded chunks causes rapid entity duping in those chunks

[hollow basin]

are there any nice solutions for a pw train but for mirror worlds?

[thorny verge]

maybe one of those:
1 phasing, 1 light shot, 5 explosive, 60 flyp
or 191 pahsings on rain cloud

[hollow basin]

🤔

[wet flint]

why rain cloud? :O

[paper aspen]

<LifetimeComponent
lifetime="600" >

[thorny verge]

@ocean chasm #1173323519510200371 message

[ocean chasm]

Thanks! @thorny verge

[hollow basin]

same number of spells only 5 pixel error

for multitudes

[hollow basin]

i don't remember this being noted but because the mirror world terrain is loaded in the chunkmap you can normal tp there

[thorny verge]

Yeah. Cheapest way to reach them: Reduce lifetime+Tp Bolt then shot downwards with no loaded terrain below. If Wisp, you arrive at MW, a few minutes later

[hollow basin]

oh thats clever

[verbal falcon]

think you may need to move to a place with loaded terrain while it's on its way down, so collision check actually kills the tp bolt

[thorny verge]

yeah i realized, that this isnt really accurate, since you need to stay above the bolt, and have terrain loaded. initially i released it from a hollow egg by unloading it, then returned

so it needs additional setup/requirements

[verbal falcon]

But fly up, cast wisp, wait a little bit to give it time to drop, then drop down --- this is fairly simple. And doesn't seem to put you in crash mirror world

oh, right, I guess fly up isn't that simple

[wet flint]

...I've tried several Apotheosis speed-based LDT builds, and they all have ended me up in the same spot in the East Desert :/

What's up with that?

it also places me in the West Frozen Vault

[thorny verge]

#1159767918830161970 message

new wiki page also has a phasing one

show your build? maybe a speed cap or a phasing issue?

[wet flint]

I used the one on the wiki, and then I used 1 decel, 1 heavy shot, 1 chaotic path, and 68 flyups

I can post the build Later once I have computer access

But both builds teleported me to the same exact spot, so I'm doing something correctly wrong

[wet flint]

iirc isn't phasing slower?

[thorny verge]

did you have the mod enabled? ||in regular NG, they put me in EDR, in NG+ they put me in the lake.|| both builds work well for me in apotheosis

[thorny verge]

yeah, but still pretty fast at ~100 frames

[hollow basin]

100f is way too slow imo

[wet flint]

There was one (1) error saying something wrong with initializing Apotheosis

Not sure if it's SpellLab or CheatGUI

But apoth enemies are showing up

so

[thorny verge]

check coords after teleport with CheatGUI?

[wet flint]

Eh, not fast enough for the build I'm attempting to go for

[wet flint]

Will do 👍

[thorny verge]

should be something a little over 52k

[wet flint]

hm

if, theoretically, we could get a payload to release at 0 speed, would spells other than tentacle work for this? (assuming we can figure out their base speed and adjust accordingly)

(this is a hypothetical and is unrelated to my issues)

[hollow basin]

yes

it does work

doesn't need to be 0

just quite slow

[thorny verge]

nathan showed some FlyUp+lightning bolt build, but i never managed to make an actual build

[wet flint]

woah!!

Ok that's cool

[hollow basin]

i think it had simple behaviour

so it should be relatively easy to create good ldt

[wet flint]

I suppose this is something I could mention in my tutorials

"One of the reasons tentacle in particular is used is because it easily drops its payload at 0 speed"

[thorny verge]

we can release at 0 speed using glittering field, thats not an issue

[wet flint]

!!

[thorny verge]

from expiration triggers, timers or whatever

[wet flint]

Neato!

[wet flint]

This gets me to the same place the tentacle flyup one on the wiki gets me

gosh hold on

ok apoth enemies are showing up

As I thought

the apoth world gen is not working

somehow

HEH

The "God Mode" mod I had on that was keeping me from dying somehow forced world gen

and kept apoth from doing custom map things

bingo

Ok thank you for helping me troubleshoot ^^'

YEEEEEEEA THIS WORKS
Thank you :>

[hollow basin]

#1173323519510200371 message chunk swapper other searchable terms blah blah

[edgy mortar]

I'm sorry for digging into the details, but.. twitch link no longer available...

[thorny verge]

yeah makes sense. Ill remove it

[boreal swan]

anyone else have problems with the orange wand just crashing the game

[thorny verge]

1 to 1 copy of the wand? Have not heard that.

[boreal swan]

not one to one

timer + tentacle

instead of timer tentacle

[thorny verge]

4 != 3

you are going 25.949.913.671 px

[boreal swan]

thats a little bit much

oh is it divide by 3s

im an idiot

thank you very much

[hoary badge]

#1173323519510200371 message
Just linking the OP so I don't have to scroll up again, don't mind me.

[hollow basin]

discord forums are very functional

[edgy mortar]

[hoary badge]

[boreal swan]

without divide by 10s can i get a ng+ accurate wand

[hoary badge]

Yes, but you probably need to run the tool to calculate a good one

I mean, or just play with Divides to get 40 Fly-ups without D10s

[hollow basin]

?

tool does 0 divide solving

[hoary badge]

Yeah, brainfart

but some numbers are easier to hit than others without the D10 unlock

That's 40, right?

[hollow basin]

yeah

looks kinda suboptimal

[hoary badge]

yeah

[hollow basin]

🪰 ?

[hoary badge]

Too many I think

Don't have WandDBG loaded

[hollow basin]

you are wrapping

remove wr

[boreal swan]

but would it work

[hollow basin]

yes

[hoary badge]

oh yeah, neat

[hollow basin]

but suboptimal wandcrafting is not acceptable

[hoary badge]

27+9+4

[hollow basin]

i wonder if a better sol exists

yes it does

maybe

no

yes?

no

[boreal swan]

do i have enough stuff on me rn

[hoary badge]

How did you work that out, may I ask?
36, is the easy part, and then, add trigger ignores the Div3? and then the Div3 + the extra because they're dumb?

[hoary badge]

Yes

[hollow basin]

yeah, i thought that 36 seemed the best product available to start

then from there you need 4

which is just drawing spell

@graceful hinge you do the fancy new wand sim right?

[hoary badge]

Sick, I'll try and do that next time

[hollow basin]

this eval doesnt look right

Wand
└Cast #1 Delay: 182f, ΔMana: 210 @ 1
 ├Tau
 │├Divide by 3
 ││└Divide by 3 ] 3
 ││ └Divide by 3 ] 9
 ││  └Add trigger  ┐ 27
 ││   └Fly upwards ┘
 │└Divide by 3
 │ └Divide by 4 ] 3
 │  └Add trigger  ┐ 12
 │   └Fly upwards ┘
 ├Fly upwards
 │└Divide by 3
 │ └Divide by 3 ] 3
 │  └Add trigger ] 9
 └Divide by 4
  └Add trigger ] 4
┌─────────────┬────┐
│ Add trigger │ 52 │
│ Fly upwards │ 40 │
│ Divide by 3 │ 18 │
│ Divide by 4 │ 4  │
│ Tau         │ 1  │
└─────────────┴────┘

or i dont understand the tree 🤷‍♀️

is the └fly supposed to be at the end?

what is it there

[boreal swan]

what should i change here

i dont use add trigger

so im not sure what will mess it up

[hollow basin]

maybe i just dont understand the inlining rules for your tree

[hollow basin]

thats 54

[boreal swan]

it was for ng

and it doesnt use add trigger

[hollow basin]

oh what combo are you wanting to do?

[boreal swan]

ng+

now

[hollow basin]

yeah what ng+ mod set

[boreal swan]

no mods

[hollow basin]

?

i mean like modifiers

[hollow basin]

whiich ones

[hoary badge]

Inner spell in the hole

how to finish it off Nathan?

[hollow basin]

use my wand tree

[hollow basin]

wdym?

oh you need extra mods probably

[hoary badge]

No actually lol

[boreal swan]

so this should work?

[hoary badge]

They're gonna want to use Wand Refresh at the end tho

[hollow basin]

d2wr

[hollow basin]

that will wrap causing issues

[hoary badge]

remove the Explosive Proj and Accel

[hollow basin]

add a divide before wr

[hollow basin]

you sure?

tbh the build seems too slow

[hollow basin]

where did you get 40 flyup from?

[hoary badge]

Posted in the main comment

main

whatever

post

Oh

wrong wand lol

[hollow basin]

ng+

[hoary badge]

2 decels for 40, oops

[hollow basin]

still a bit off

[boreal swan]

imma save before using it

[hollow basin]

ig not that bad

[hollow basin]

it wont take you far enough

[boreal swan]

do i need the deccels

[hollow basin]

yes

[boreal swan]

and then its mostly good?

[hollow basin]

or a different build

with 2 decels its accurate

ok i tired

👋

[boreal swan]

thank you

is there any other way, even less accurate, where i dont need the deccels

[hoary badge]

yes, I think

[boreal swan]

wandmart isnt as big in ng+

so its gonna be a bit harder

and i dont want as many parallel worlds loaded

so if there is a cheaper way or even just using the stuff i have on hand

that would be cool

is there a tool to check

[hoary badge]

1 Accel and 52, I think If I'm reading above correctly

[boreal swan]

bet

how much off

[hoary badge]

almost a chunk overshoot

[boreal swan]

thats solid

thank you

[hoary badge]

Try it first 😅

[boreal swan]

oml

its amazing

thank you

[hoary badge]

nice!

your welcom

[graceful hinge]

tree is a bit broken

[limber socket]

I made this wand a few days ago. It's quite inaccurate, but I thought it was funny.

{{Wand2
| wandCard     = Yes
| wandPic      = Wand 0821.png
| castDelay    = 0.03
| rechargeTime = 0.10
| manaMax      = 1700.00
| manaCharge   = 560.00
| capacity     = 22
| spread       = -30
| speed        = 1.00
| spells       = NOLLA,HORIZONTAL_ARC,BLACK_HOLE_DEATH_TRIGGER,I_SHAPE,BURST_8,FLY_UPWARDS,DIVIDE_10,ADD_TRIGGER,DIVIDE_4,ADD_TRIGGER,FLY_UPWARDS,BLOOD_MAGIC,PURPLE_EXPLOSION_FIELD,TENTACLE_TIMER,CASTER_CAST,TELEPORT_PROJECTILE_CLOSER,DIVIDE_10,DIVIDE_3,ADD_TRIGGER,FLY_DOWNWARDS,DIVIDE_2,RESET
}}

[thorny verge]

Glittering Field lol

[hollow basin]

glitter field ldt !!

[limber socket]

LemonedQ (a Chinese community player) found what child_speed_multiplier means. told me to try the GIF1 wand.
Based on my current testing, the child_speed_multiplier is effective when as the payload of the projectile hits a wall and trigger, but it does not activate when triggered by a timer, expiration, or hitting an enemy.

So one more funny LDT.

Additionally, I'm not quite sure why it shifted a little;

gif wand,Putting “GRENADE” behind the tentacles make the wand not in the opposite direction.

{{Wand2
| wandCard     = Yes
| wandPic      = Wand 0821.png
| castDelay    = 0.17
| rechargeTime = 0.33
| manaMax      = 2000.00
| manaCharge   = 500.00
| capacity     = 26
| spread       = 0
| speed        = 1.00
| spells       = HORIZONTAL_ARC,PIERCING_SHOT,LIGHT_BULLET_TRIGGER,I_SHAPE,BURST_3,ACCELERATING_SHOT,GRENADE,TENTACLE_TIMER,CASTER_CAST,TELEPORT_PROJECTILE_CLOSER,DIVIDE_3,DIVIDE_3,DIVIDE_3,DIVIDE_2,DIVIDE_2,FLY_UPWARDS,RESET
}}

[hollow basin]

nice

[thorny verge]

so thats where i get the 0.9x from that i always wanted to make a NG+ variant of the standard NG wand

a bit clunky, but very fun

[thorny verge]

yours probably pointed downards slightly because of gravity?

[limber socket]

It looks like what you said is correct. When I place the GRENADE after the tentacle, it starts to shift upward. However, when I replace the Spark Bolt with Pinpoint of Light, it no longer shifts. Pinpoint of Light is not affected by gravity.

[thorny verge]

I just made my funniest LDT yet. requires 2

[hollow basin]

cursed

[thorny verge]

is it even readable?

[hollow basin]

not very

[thorny verge]

PAT tentacle teleports root

swapper in this case

[hollow basin]

ooh

i see

so mato swapper

wait not mato

[thorny verge]

more hatred for PAT to target deer

then mato swap

is there anything with herd relation and no cbc?

[hollow basin]

ah does tentacle kill deer?

[thorny verge]

if not nullshot yeah

i think

[hollow basin]

🤔 why swap with mato not deer

[thorny verge]

2nd deer doesnt work 🤷‍♂️

[hollow basin]

nonsense

[thorny verge]

first LDT example ive seen where fish cant replace deer lol

[hollow basin]

theres the small distance travel ones where fish is too small

[thorny verge]

null shot tentacle sets 0 damage on swapper

thats why mato swapper works, not deer

[quiet talon]

Any advice for accounting for faster projectiles and low recoil perk in the noita-speed-calculator? I'm trying this, but as you can see it no likey:

speed_calc.exe 35840 -b accurate -m verydeep -w 0.01 -coefs 0.20 1.75
...
KeyError: 0.2
[15004] Failed to execute script 'speed_calc' due to unhandled exception!

[thorny verge]

oh, unkown coefs throw keyerror? 🤔

you can adjust the distance

that version doesnt have an easy way to set perks

if 0.2 and 1.75 are correct, and you have 1 of each, i think you could go
speed_calc.exe 102400 -b accurate -m verydeep

numbers will be off, but the solution should work

[quiet talon]

ah so account for it in the dist, ok thanks will try that out! (I had the perk numbers wrong at first too, but hopefully low recoil is additive and makes for an easy 1.4 from perks when combined with faster projs)

[thorny verge]

it should be multiplicative

how many do you have?

[quiet talon]

the wiki says "reduces your spell flight speed by 20%", so i'm shooting in the dark a bit. (just one stack)

[thorny verge]

3 low recoil is 0.2^3=0.008x

reduces by 20?

wait

let me check myself

oh damn

yeah 0.2 is wrong i got fooled

its 0.8 multiplier for each projectile for each low recoil

we have 1projecitle, so 3 recoil is 0.8^3 = 0.512

this goes 4 instead of 1

[quiet talon]

for each proj, ok good catch

[thorny verge]

so how many perks you got?

it would be new_distance = old_distance / perkmultiplier

[quiet talon]

just the one faster projectiles and one low recoil. Also one projectile repulsion sector which may or may not be wreaking havoc

[thorny verge]

adding Long distance cast at the start will likely fix repulsion issues

these should work with 1 of each

[quiet talon]

cheers!

[thorny verge]

i should really make the rust-version ready for release

[quiet talon]

got one! (1PW with Low Recoil x1 and Faster Projectiles x1 - repulsion sector seemingly not an issue)

[thorny verge]

nice. idk what the second does tho

[quiet talon]

just me being dumb and not fully understanding the cast diagrams!

[vernal fjord]

Fantastic tool, got a wand that's accurate despite my desire for pinpointer!

[hollow basin]

l- is not a winner here no?

[vernal fjord]

hm?

[hollow basin]

l- doesn't do anything i think

or maybe it do and im silly

but i seem to remember you needing precisely 1f lifetime to get benefits

[vernal fjord]

Wiki claims I need either that or Add Expiration Trigger

[hollow basin]

wiki is not a reliable source

maybe its right here

i cant remember much about fish swapper

i typically just do inner homebringer

[vernal fjord]

I think it has to do with preventing the tentacle from killing the fish

[hollow basin]

perhaps

i do remember something about that

but i think i couldnt replicate the tentacle actually killing in quite a few cases

[thorny verge]

i take that as an insult :P

reduce lifetime prevents tentacle from killing fish

some sort of fish protection definitely required

null shot, exp trigger, reduce lifetime all work

[hollow basin]

was there not some issues where if the fish had speed it just didnt die?

[thorny verge]

that would be news to me, reduce lifetime tentacle -> swapper is something I used a lot. fish should have 0 speed in that scenario

idk if release speed is important for swapper payload

[thorny verge]

yet another one. 80px too short for NG

[thorny verge]

Modifiers
6 | 08 | Phasing -3 | 15 | Decel -4 | 20 | Chaotic/Slither 6 | 25 | Accel 1 | 58 | Explo 6 | 60 | Heavy -12 | 95 | Light -6 | 97 | SpeedUp
Projectiles
-1 | 47 | Slimeball -10 | 65 | Lightshot+Glitter 3 | 80 | Giga Nuke / SpeedUp+Glitter
child_speed_multiplier
0 | 58 | Giant Firebolt
Perks
-2 | 15 | Pinpointer -4 | 93 | Faster Projectiles
Wands
-2 | 78 | Swiftness -3 | 78 | Multitudes -1 | 99 | Destruction (inkl. Nuke)

|| NG || has X= 46.17

• missing 83
  || NG+ || has X= 45.68
• missing 32

Calculating "by hand"

• X = log(Distance/7.92) / log(1.2)
• split X into integer, and decimal parts,
• round decimal part to 2 digits, treat it as a 2-digit number
• use decimal part to complete N*100 by adding values from the middle column
• add corresponding values from the left column to the integer part

N + integer part + sum of left column values = number of flyups

solutions that reduce the integer part by more than 16 are invalid

Example:

NG+: 32768px

X = log(32768/7.92) / log(1.2) = 45.6765

integer part: 45
decimal part: 68

we need 32 to complete 100, we can easily do 25 + 8 = 33, which will be good enough.

68 + 8 + 25 = 101

1 + 45 + 6 + 6 = 58

=> 1 Phasing 1 Accel 58 flyup
Acutal distance traveled: 32,726 px (-42px)

[thorny verge]

actual Glittering field solutions for regular New Game
the light shot one is extremely accurate, speedup overshoots slightly

credits to @hollow cypress

speedup+glitter field can be replaced by giga nuke if you are that kind of person

[hollow basin]

wow

[thorny verge]

Odd Firebolt can counteract spread, and errors in manual aiming, making the ||tower-wand|| budget builds much more accurate, or just replace linear/horizontal.

it has a few seconds of delay, and is not so budget anymore though

again, credits to Nutty.

[verbal falcon]

Tentacle also seems like it would pair better with <formation> <junk projectiles> <exp trigger> [unnecessary, see below] <LDT> as an aiming alternative, though I guess this only aims in one direction per build

(better relative to non-speed-tentacle approaches)

[thorny verge]

thats a cool idea

goes west like this, swap spark bolt to the empty spot to go east

[verbal falcon]

This isn't very clean, but you can also fit a direction switcher on. Similar to #wand-research message but not geared for rapid fire; either just a fire&recharge to switch or a long click to travel. Was trying not to use 3 requirements + another divide + WR, but ended up with other not-so-convenient spells and other bloat. [Might look better using first req to impact a later alpha selection (proj vs not) and then having second req restoring the toggle state more cleanly without req calls or wraps. Hoping there's something better than that.]

a bit pointless perhaps since probably LDT-ing through HMs anyway

[inland galleon]

I've never gotten a ||pw|| travel wand and just need something simple to play more comfortably, any recommendations?

most of the wands in here seem to need 10-20 different spells that'd require me to go search for probably a few hours to get all

although there are probably faster methods to get them

[thorny verge]

the wiki page has a lot of builds ready to copy. this channel is more for research purposes

Energy orb with timer + Inner Homebringer is usually the easiest to gather

or the budget builds ofc

.wiki LDT

[finite magnet]

||Expert Guide: Long Distance Travel||

||Methods have been invented, initially by Kaliuresis, for using spell combinations to travel very long distances.||

Link to page

Wiki pages may contain spoilers.

[inland galleon]

thank u

[hollow cypress]

I have utilised the 20x speed cap for accurate LDTravelling today
@fading pumice was doing a speedrun (new joke category for reaching the trailer altar and dying to it with mod that gives sacred_barrel tag to player) with 64 chunks jump required, and he started getting unreasonable amount of speed ups, so i checked, and capping the speed was indeed beneficial, 3 Accelerating shots and 48 flyups for 34 px error
So happie I utilised x20 for accurate travel, in real time too, wanted to run into making one for a while

[hollow basin]

fun

20× cap isnt typically used

[hollow cypress]

Noticed another ng+ solution utilising 20x
20x > Heavy shot > Decelerating shot > 33 flyups = 21 px undershoot, and its a comfy number of flyups again
Hmm seems like 20x is kind of Gaming, since it

1. Just requires unspecific speed increasing resourses, just put random junk together, and then 20x solution
2. Positioning tentacle timer just right, can both ignore speed perks effects and also use them to your advantage. On screenshot above you can see add timer used, that's cause of also visible Faster projectiles perk grabbed earlier. But having original tentacle timer before last speed up would cap speed multiplier anyway, removing the need in add timering/Gammaing/etc tentacle. And in that example it would require 1 less speed up too.
3. Another spot for storage, as long as there's no phasing potentially capping everything later, and result speed is 20x or more, can just stick random speed multiplying modifiers before the solution, for quick changes to distance travelled

Gonna be spicy, requiring extra caution while keeping the order of everything right, like in that heavy shot+Decel solution but I think worth for extra style points

[hollow cypress]

Oh and can ignore wand's speed multiplier, if haven't found alligners yet

[thorny verge]

order of operations can be quite convenient occasionally

for 20x-> 1 heavy 1 decel, 33 flyup

although it is 11 heavy, 11 decel and 43 flyup

order of operations and 20x cap make those equivalent

(not saying this is the best/a good way to do this specific solution, but it is certainly interesting, and most likely saves slots at times)

[thorny verge]

regular NG also has this which is pretty nice

just 20 -> Accel -> 36xFyUp

which translates extremely well into the NG+ solution Lymm used in that screenshot above

by far the best NG -> NG+ transition for Speed LDT thus far

[thorny verge]

88px over for NG (top)
34px over for NG+ (bottom

[wet flint]

wow!! impressive!

[hollow cypress]

D10 isn't needed? Though this is a great flex

[thorny verge]

yeah it was meant as a "throw garbage in", lightshot could also be speedup

you dont have to be particularly careful how to hit the cap

is waht i wanted to show

[hollow cypress]

I was blushing when noticed that singular accel with 20x lines up with very comfy 36 flyups, was planning on using it, damn easy to build

[thorny verge]

and the NG -> NG+ transition is something that always bothered me with speed LDT

that is so much simpler with phasing

[hollow cypress]

I like that this ignores perks, if you place tentacle just right
And that speed downs, like accelerating shots, still give room to multiply distance afterwards
I double distance travelled all the time, with slithering or chaotic path, and accelerating shot allows that to be done
Though Heavy+Decel solution is barely not enough to do that 😭

Can also cover the draw by careful dividing of speed capping spell
Like D3 - Light shot - Tentacle inner homebringer - Accelerating shot - D36 AT - Flyup

Will still ignore perks, considering you didn't dupe Low recoil to the extreme

[hollow cypress]

Oh speed up instead of light shot would work here too

[hollow cypress]

Just felt like a funny one to build
5px error tho

Not as cool as all previous 20x builds in terms of vulnerability to speed perks, but is very accurate and gets extra 4 flyups in a funny way
I am a delayed spellcast hater usually, since it's not Wall immune, but for this one i can make an exception

[thorny verge]

funny 44

[edgy mortar]

can you build big teleport 513+ PW?

[hollow basin]

You can go much further

[edgy mortar]

b u i l d

s h o w

The further it gets, the worse it gets.
The chance of crashing the game increases.
The teleporter won't work.

Ko0bEy dupe wand but db 4, 10, 2, 10
crash

😄

[thorny verge]

#wand-research message

:flyup:

[fading pumice]

You can teleport past the 512 PW boundary (where the precision loss starts being visible and you can no longer move 1 pixel at a time) but it's just gonna crash pretty much immediately...

[edgy mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138536076424794272/1366726885756895333/image.png?ex=6811ff1a&is=6810ad9a&hm=ca8626fb70aaf06f725a3bc0646af85d07f13ebabea0cf9dbd74151a55ee812a&

and game not work

F

after restart crash

huh

i can move, but not seen character 😄

[edgy mortar]

@thorny verge this correct? 59919 world teleport?

[thorny verge]

no

[edgy mortar]

?!

[thorny verge]

It is PW 187 decillion

Which is a billion billion billion billon PWs

[edgy mortar]

To be honest, I'm completely confused.

[thorny verge]

It is VERY FAR. As far s floating point numbers get you

[edgy mortar]

i put Nathan x number to noita orb atlas and 59919

😎

[thorny verge]

The number is too large for the field

Doesnt even fit in Windows calculator

It cuts it off

[edgy mortar]

187³⁶ pw?

[thorny verge]

187 with 33 zeroes

1.8 × 10 ^ 35

[edgy mortar]

this is impossible number

[thorny verge]

Unless i miscounted

[edgy mortar]

lel

am use wand slot 2 and my game lost fps

F

[thorny verge]

https://github.com/Ko0bEy/Noita-Speed-Calculator/releases/tag/Release3.2

fancy new version with arbitrary teleport

Example output ( angle_solver.exe 3545 13590 6400 15000 -v )

`Recommended solution:
Pattern Degree: 90, L: 1, R: 6, N: 8, Error: 0.569117° (32px)

Running: speed_calc.exe 3184.199271 --tol 0.01 --top-n 25
Target distance = 3184.199271 (Error tolerance=32px)
flyup heavy accel phasing explo decel slither speed light | multiplier | distance | error | rel_error

 39                       1                                         |     404.19 |      3201.2 |     +17px |     5e-03
 30                                       1                         |     398.79 |      3158.4 |     -26px |     8e-03
 36                               2                                 |     398.70 |      3157.7 |     -26px |     8e-03
 45                       2                                         |     398.28 |      3154.3 |     -30px |     9e-03
 55                              14                                 |     403.48 |      3195.6 |     +11px |     4e-03 `

[edgy mortar]

@thorny verge

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326485453729435681/1390895589847466175/noita-20250705-111235-744537834-00004888.gif?ex=6869ebf6&is=68689a76&hm=63e65b90258576470aea67f8ed8fc464849a310c3d0fc101e287ea29492ea379&

blue screen

[thorny verge]

why not just

also no need for lighntning

almost every projectile can replace it here

just enough flyups, so that speed is treated as infinity

if you want the game to somewhat reliably not crash you need:

• 0,0 loaded
• bounceable terrain at 0,0
• a bouncy projectile at NaN (inf speed) a short time before the teleport

you can also return by any suitable teleport, and restore the camera by polymorphing / cessating

[edgy mortar]

@thorny verge Hi. How to make a teleport in PW so that the chunk is replaced with another one?
I saw a gif by Nathan #noita-spoilers message #noita-chat message that this is possible.
The chunk is completely changed.
I'm not sure if I can explain it.

||Why do need such experiments?||

[thorny verge]

Mirror Worlds: Teleporting close to 262144 px in any cardinal direction.

permanent swapping can be done by restarting or by teleporting back at the right moment. maybe also by restarting. It is not very consistent or targeted however.

[thorny verge]

||this time it swapped some of the spawn region to east 7 desert||

[edgy mortar]

Is it possible to control the copied chunk?
||For example, can I move a piece of desert to the winter biome behind the tree (on the left side)?||

[thorny verge]

probably, somehow.
I did some research to find consistent setups, but not a lot. And with little success

[edgy mortar]

It would be fun to create two cauldrons.

[thorny verge]

not sure if you can create two permanent copies of the same chunk

since Mirror worlds also work diagonally and at multiples of 2^18, i have the feeling, that you could in theory swap any chunk anywhere with enough effort

as long as you could choose which chunks to copy at each jump

[hollow basin]

i couldnt get it to ever perform a duplication, only swaps

[thorny verge]

I vaguely remember the same

[thorny verge]

wait is this true, or are we still constrained to the same grid?

[hollow basin]

same grid

[thorny verge]

yeah, diagonals give no new points to access

[hollow basin]

so you cant do arbitrary

[thorny verge]

sad

[edgy mortar]

I think I've lost the ability to understand what you're writing.

Thank you so much for #1173323519510200371 message the information, the name and the builds!
Sorry to bother you with something that's not really important.

[thorny verge]

we also dont really understand, we just observe what happens when you teleport very specific distances

(at least thats true for me)

[hollow basin]

one day we will have a complete theory of it

the chunkmap at least explains the basic behaviours

[edgy mortar]

What do the game developers think about this?
However, they don't care about long teleports.
They would probably be surprised by your discoveries.

[fading pumice]

We should probably use the #1389424824035577856 thread for this chunk swapping. I've duplicated the cauldron before, but the way I did it involved swapping the cauldron chunk to a mirror world then deleting the original so that a new cauldron loaded in

[edgy mortar]

I think I'm doing something wrong.
I drop the crystal and move to the parallel world.
After a while, the crystal activates on its own and swap me to the main world.
Nothing happens...
Why is the fish inside the crystal swap me back, shouldn't the chunk be loaded?
I thought the loaded chunk only existed near the final boss (Kolmi area).
If I explore the parallel world, the textures glimmer (glitch).
After 5-7 jumps, the game crashes.

I wanted to repeat this experiment: #1227369264374354121 message

tree -> pyramid

[fading pumice]

To do this, I just brought kolmi to the tree, then traveled 7 PWs to where the pyramid was. If the chunks start flickering and constantly reloading, that means you've gone too far, past the MW distance.

[edgy mortar]

this is 7 PW build?

#1173323519510200371 message

[edgy mortar]

Place Kolmi inside the tree;
Place the crystal inside the tree;
Make a PW teleport;
Go to the pyramid;
Return to the main world to Kolmi.

Is that the plan?

I won't make it to the pyramid before the crystal breaks.
I don't know why.

[fading pumice]

The return crystal doesn't work in mirror worlds

How you go back might matter. You might get different results depending on if you save somewhere and unload kolmi before going all the way back. I don't remember exactly how I did it

[thorny verge]

you dont walk to the pyramid, you shoot the wand to teleport there

and then the crystal goes off, bringing you back

usually making the copy permanent

and you should not be building a PW teleport, but a MW teleport (like the one you linked).

[edgy mortar]

Do I need to restart the game to paste this copy?

[thorny verge]

dont think you need to 🤔

but it could be done instead of the crystal. just teleport, then restart.

(If I remember correctly)

[edgy mortar]

I drop the crystal inside the tree.
I go to the pyramid.
I make a MW teleport.
The crystal breaks automatically.

[thorny verge]

I drop the crystal inside the tree.
I go to the pyramid.
I make a MW teleport.
The crystal breaks automatically.

[edgy mortar]

😎

[thorny verge]

DONT go to the pyramid

the MW teleport puts you at the pyramid

• drop the crystal
• teleport
• wait

[edgy mortar]

Here's what I did:
I drop the crystal on top of the pyramid.
I use a MW teleport.
The crystal brought me back.
I returned to the tree.
I restarted the game (mod menu).
Nothing happened.
???
I drop the crystal under the tree.
I use a MW teleport.
The crystal brought me back.
The pyramid was around the tree!!!

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[flint bobcat]

me when doing things i was told explicitly not to do does not have the desired effect

[thorny verge]

i dont know what you are trying really. Why are you at the tree sometimes, and sometimes at the pyramid?

[thorny verge]

in the first scenario, why did you go to the tree?

and by "the pyramid" you mean Main world pyramid?

or east 7 pyramid?

[edgy mortar]

I was at the pyramid.
I did MW at the top of the pyramid and the crystal brought me back.
The world was blinking.
Nothing happened.
I went to the tree because I wanted to take the pyramid to the tree.
When I reached the tree, I did a restart.
After the restart, nothing changed.
I decided to do a teleport just below the tree.
When the crystal brought me back to the tree, there was a tree and a pyramid.

[thorny verge]

which pyramid though?

because the one that is now intersecting your tree is from east 7

[fading pumice]

When I first did this, I just walked to the pyramid as part of my normal run. Teleporting all the way there isn't necessary, but it does save time. The result for me looked basically the same as this

[edgy mortar]

position.x="-1084.02"
position.y="-303.1"
My character is currently in these coordinates.
I jumped into the Right Parallel World when I was at the top of the pyramid.

[thorny verge]

so what happens is:

• you drop the crystal at the tree
• you teleport (to East 7 Pyramid)
• some time later, the tree unloads, which releases the crystal payload
• you get automatically teleported back to the tree
• the game is giga confused about what just happened, and now you got a pyramid stuck in your tree

you dont have to start at the tree

you can start anywhere, and what you will copy there depends on what is 512 chunks away left/right/up/down

[edgy mortar]

I tried to repeat it on video.
But I couldn't repeat it 1 to 1.

[fading pumice]

Oh, I see, you're using the chunk unloading to automatically trigger the return crystal, using a wand that teleports directly to the MW. I was using kolmi when doing this, so the chunk remained loaded and the crystals didn't break. Using a MW teleport wand like this seems like a good way to quickly scramble your world lol

[edgy mortar]

The video will be available in 1-3 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tOm6ULNoSQ

@thorny verge

[thorny verge]

damn this is your 46324th test?

[edgy mortar]

no.. this is name 😄

random name

[thorny verge]

I thought i was being funny, sry

[thorny verge]

since you already have everything set up. can you do a quick test with just crystal -> ?
I think you dont need swapper even

[fading pumice]

MWs are not exactly 7 PWs in NG, so the tree's East mirror world position is the pyramid. So you'd want to start at the tree to have it loaded, and do the MW teleport to end up at the position of the pyramid while still being in the tree.

[edgy mortar]

Did I do it right?
Did I need to restart the game and repeat the teleport?

[thorny verge]

is this a PW teleport?

or MW?

[fading pumice]

So there is no need to originally load the pyramid in main at all

[edgy mortar]

yeah.. this is

main world pyramid

[thorny verge]

you want to put the pyramid at the tree?

then there is no reason for you to be at main world pyramid

at any point

you start at the tree

you end up at east 7 pyramid

teh crystal gets you back

and you can restart if you want, but i dont think it matters much

main world pyramid can be put where the west 7 tree would be (if it was there)

if that makes sense

[edgy mortar]

I started with the pyramid and went back to the tree.
I restarted the game.
I made a second MW teleport at the bottom of the tree.
That's what I did in those 3 minutes in the video.
🐛

[thorny verge]

i am not sure why the first one didnt replace the main world pyramid

[fading pumice]

Right, the whole part with the pyramid at the beginning wasn't necessary to get the pyramid into the tree though

[thorny verge]

but if i remember correctly, this worked most of the time, not always

[edgy mortar]

so.. build is trigger crystal + teleport bolt?

[fading pumice]

Probably because he did not move around at all in the MW?

[thorny verge]

drop crystal, teleport to mirror world, let me know if you returned or not

[fading pumice]

I think the first teleport at the pyramid might have swapped some chunks to the left/right/above the pyramid in main but they would be filled with air, from above the lake (in East 8)

[edgy mortar]

ahahahaha

o have no idea wtf is this

xd

this is fresh start

[thorny verge]

oh, so you did not return to the tree like that?

[edgy mortar]

I started a new game.
I went to the tree and placed the crystal near the greed.
WHERE DID THE PYRAMID COME FROM?

[thorny verge]

https://discord.com/channels/453998283174576133/1389424824035577856

[thorny verge]

the pyramid has always been there. Where the tree came from/why it is showing it instead of the pyramid is the real question

[fading pumice]

So wait, after this, were you in main or East 7?

[thorny verge]

east 7

[edgy mortar]

position.x="260589"
position.y="-96.0028"

[thorny verge]

and remained there

so teleport failed

i expected it to work tbh

[fading pumice]

So you just unloaded the original tree and the pyramid loaded in correctly

[thorny verge]

thats what usually happens

nothing breaking really

just the tree showing while still loaded

[edgy mortar]

I didn't approach the pyramid...

[thorny verge]

and then disappearing, and the game fixing itself when the tree is unloaded

[thorny verge]

you teleported into it

the east 7 one

thats what the wand does

but because the tree was still loaded

[fading pumice]

So why does the game sometimes fix itself but sometimes not? 🤔

[thorny verge]

it showed it in the wrong spot

before it noticed, and then correctly showed the pyramid

[edgy mortar]

i change to -100 100

[thorny verge]

in my experience, if you jsut MW tp, and then wait, nothing breaks

or what is broken fixes, once the original chunks unload

[fading pumice]

Right, loading chunks around the MW while the main chunk is still loaded is what causes the chunk swapping issue, if I understand correctly

[fading pumice]

Well, the MW ceases to exist when the main chunk is unloaded

[edgy mortar]

NOLLA GAMES😎

[edgy mortar]

Can I change the fish for a deer?

[thorny verge]

so my early understanding when trying the crystal trick was:

• MW phenomenon happens only while the original, and MW are loaded.
• as soon as the original unloads, MW ends.
  I tested this theory by dropping crystal -> inner spell -> CoV (a chunk unload detector) and felt like my observations pretty much confirmed this. MW flickering always ended exactly on time with the CoV spawning on top of me (measured only by manually observing).

then i wondered, what happens if we teleport back at that exact moment. I built the setup above and that created a permanent ~~copy ~~ (its not a copy, the cunks are swapped) that got saved ot my disk.

[thorny verge]

deer needs something extra

unstable crystal (the other one) should do the trick

so
dormant crystal -> unstable rystal -> paylaod with deer

[thorny verge]

pretty sure that works

[edgy mortar]

lets see lets see

[edgy mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyN6xcrgZxY

[thorny verge]

didnt work that time apparently 🤷‍♂️

these things are not well understood. I just found this to be a fairly reliable way to replicate permanent chunk replacement

i also remember it not working every time

[fading pumice]

You should try moving around in the MW to load some adjacent chunks

[thorny verge]

oh also

the extra crystal might add delay

which could be an issue

so fish/taika swapper are probably better

[edgy mortar]

After that, I will restart the game.

This is a continuation of the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GWDDgTiFo

I don't understand why the pyramid again... 😄

[edgy mortar]

no.. sometimes this deer build not work

[thorny verge]

yeah beacuse of the extra delay i think

so deer can not really be used then

maybe with more trickery

but just use fish or taikasauva

[edgy mortar]

I don't understand.
How are textures transferred.
Do I need to restart the game?
Or jump a second time in MW in a different location.

[thorny verge]

oh ,didnt see the last video.

the 2nd crystal doees not properly unload at all

🤔

[edgy mortar]

this helps

[thorny verge]

teleport back where you came from, at the exact moment it unloads

thats what you want to achieve

[edgy mortar]

😵‍💫

The experiments didn't lead to anything.

AAAAAAAAAAAA
#1173323519510200371 message
THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO DO

[valid kernel]

Dude wrote a whole ass essay on tentacles

Not giving context whenever someone asks me about Noita

[tame cave]

are solutions valid that reach 99 of the decimal part and then subtract -1 from the integer part? or does it have to hit at least 100?

[thorny verge]

Close to 100. 99 works fine

[tame cave]

Thank you. It's NG+ distance, so 68 + 15 (pinpointer) + 8 (phasing) + 8 (phasing) = 99

45 - 2 + 6 + 6 = 55 flyup, or is it 54 flyup because 100 - 1 = 99 ?

[thorny verge]

45 -2 + 6 + 6 + 1 = 56. The extra 1, because 99 is roughly 1 lots of 100

or in not-log space:

0.33 * 0.33 * 1.4 * 1.2 ^ 56 * 9.72 = 32811

43px too far

but you need to be a bit careful with this solution when building:

• exactly 1 projectile, so tentacle timer, no (so you get exactly 1 instance of pinpointer)
• exactly 1 stack of the perk
• phasing draw be consumed, before the flyup-division starts

[tame cave]

Oh okay that makes sense, thanks!

[void gorge]

how might one address the absurd cast delay of this?

i would have thought the wand refresh would handle it but apparently not.

adding a chainsaw at the end seems to break something.

[thorny verge]

which build are you using?

[void gorge]

something close to this one.

deviations including no reduce recoil, timer black hole instead of delayed spellcast, gamma for the black hole.

the wand actually ended up killing me, since at some point instead of sending me a PW over it sent me somewhere into cursed rock. still, while it existed, it had a great deal of cast delay.

[thorny verge]

teleporting back and forth is a bit of a risk. if your tentacle hits loaded terrain, you only go half the distance (which would be cursed rock, if halfway between one HM and the next, my guess on what happened to you.)

with and you get both of their cast delays, using only black hole (no charges are spent due to ) would be a bit faster.

or similar at the very front deals with all the delay (no cast delay inside triggers)

[void gorge]

ah, fair. i wasn't sure if that would mess it up.

[thorny verge]

using chainsaw is not so simple here, without throwing off the accuracy

[void gorge]

i wonder if a simple would have worked.

[thorny verge]

yes

but drained all your mana instantly/within a few frames

but yes

[void gorge]

i suppose so.

going only half the distance troubles me.

[thorny verge]

thats really annoying yes

has killed me before as well, although i should know better

[void gorge]

i wonder, is tentacle the only thing you can do this with? what's to stop one from, say, speeding up a LDC more or less indefinitely with fly ups?

so it does not collide with terrain.

[thorny verge]

speed caps exist

tentacle is special. it is technically at 0 speed

the physics part moves it

it itself is sort of "passive"

that makes it ignore the caps

(probably)

[void gorge]

fair. i would like to look for a LDT wand that has all the properties i would like.

[thorny verge]

you came to the right place

(though i can not resolve that half-way jump thing for you)

[void gorge]

somehow i remember this not being an issue before but i don't remember what kind of wand i built.

[thorny verge]

phasing is always an option and doesnt suffer from the half-way thing

i wonder if i should build 2pws instead

so jumping half way doesnt matter

[verbal falcon]

is it really unique to halfway? I would have thought it'd be any discrete point the tentacle ends up at along the path

like ~20ish spots

[thorny verge]

I have only ever seen halfway

and the terrain-collision was discovered by someone from the chinese community

they were also only speaking of half-way iirc

[verbal falcon]

hrm. if it's actually 20ish spots then ~1f-lifetime tentacle seems like something to try. but if halfway, seems more like a stab in the dark

[thorny verge]

what properties do youlike?

i did some tests in the early days with 1, 2, 3 frame tentacles

3 worked just fine

1 and 2 were pretty close to the player

but i do remember some strangeness there

[verbal falcon]

oh... from nikita's lightning trigger at origin thing, it seems like lightning does raycasts. If verlet stuff also does/approximates raycasts that might be one possible explanation for halfway and maybe some other points being special

[void gorge]

could it be related to impulse_coeff="0.5" in the verlet component?

[void gorge]

this one's pretty good. it doesn't hit me if i'm moving but maybe that's unavoidable without swapper type payloads. the halfway thing is just the real problem since it seems pretty hard to come back from that.

[void gorge]

i guess this is for it launching other objects. maybe not.

[tame cave]

i think i broke it. what can i use to consume phasing draws?

[thorny verge]

phasing first, then tentacle

both
:phasing: :phasing:
:phasing: :phasing:
work

[tame cave]

Ah okay. Ty

[tame cave]

i think my solve is wrong anyways, its undershooting by quite a bit

[thorny verge]

are you using any perks?

because that is only 19530px

(with phasing in the right spot)

what distance were you going for? NG PW?

[tame cave]

only pinpointer

Yeah ng pw

no ng+

oops

[thorny verge]

-> reduce lifetime

replace

you dont cast tentacle, so you are not getting the pinpointer buff

you only cast here

even with 1 pinpointer i think you are still off by quite a bit

what solution were you going for?

ohh

that

my bad, miscounted. replacing with reduce lifetime is enough

56 flyup is correct

[tame cave]

I'll give that a shot, thanks!

like this yeah?

or is it phasing phasing reduce lifetime

[thorny verge]

ah

phasing :(

adds lifetime

forgot about that

got null shot?

[tame cave]

I do

[thorny verge]

tentacle needs to not kill fish is the thing

that instead, or in addition to reduce lifetime

but then your tentacle will stick around for a while

yeeting stuff around

probably a bit annoying

[tame cave]

Maybe I should go for a solve without phasing lol

[thorny verge]

yeah maybe lol

can you send me a screenshot of your inventory?

inner homebringer would also be easier

[tame cave]

I think theres a homebringer around on the ground somewhere, been farming spells, i could do that though yeah

[thorny verge]

taika instead of fish is worth a try

should survive getting hit by tentacle (maybe?)

and you use bloodlust anyway

[tame cave]

Found the HB

[thorny verge]

this wand with inner homberinger will work just fine
(projectile repulsion field or projectile eater could be annoying now)

[tame cave]

Oh yeah. thats why i didn't use hb in the first place cause of repulsion field

lemme try with taika

do i have to ?

[thorny verge]

no, there is

but swapper first, then taika

is important

otherwise swapper doesnt spawn

[tame cave]

its a pretty ugly wand lol

damn. now it just shot out a tentacle and did nothing

[thorny verge]

the non-phasing one turned out bulky. (NG+, needs 1 pinpointer)

but it is good

and it should be all spells you have

multitudes works

not needed

[tame cave]

Lol well the only problem is i need another slot for or to escape the repulsion field

[thorny verge]

leave out

make sure to have exactly a

[tame cave]

All right I'll give that a shot

[thorny verge]

then lumi up front

ah well

much better than lumi

you want to fire once exactly

[tame cave]

Ya

[thorny verge]

also walls

be carful

dont hit a wall with delayed spellcast

thats for all ldt ever

dont hit the wall

[tame cave]

Right right

how much mana cost is that thing btw ?

[thorny verge]

282

taking both into account

[tame cave]

perfect

[thorny verge]

for this version

[tame cave]

does it have to be fly down?

[thorny verge]

fly up is the same

[tame cave]

thought so

[thorny verge]

repulsion field makes this slightly unreliable which is strange

sometimes it doesnt teleport

but only with repulsion field/sector

not sure whats happening there

[tame cave]

multitudes not required for this one you said?

[thorny verge]

doesnt matter

only 26 slots

but you could cut down on that as well probably

only made sure to use spells you have, not to compact it as much as possible

[tame cave]

Gotcha

[thorny verge]

it does double mana cost

but...

multitudes does compared to 1 spells per cast

[tame cave]

Looks like this is working well now. thanks for the help!

[olive oyster]

Speed increase from Extra modifiers that are added by perks (Faster Projectiles [1.75x] and Pinpointer [1.4x]) can also exceed the 20x speed cap. With Faster Projectiles, there are a quite wide variety of builds available (depending on how accurate you need to be) that don't use any Divides or Add Trigger series spells, and can enable LDT without those unlocks. However, they tend to require many wand slots and large multicast.

1 PW in NG, accurate to ~13px with 1x Faster Projectiles perk. 24 slots, 233 mana drain. Just Heavy shot and 7 slimeballs are used for accurate travel.

• Heavy shot and the first Slimeball can be replaced by Phasing with any other projectile
• Drilling Blasts can be replaced by any other projectile/static projectile/material spell (except slimeball, nukes, glittering field)
• I believe Delayed spellcast can be replaced with Warp Cast/Long Distance Cast (then both Pentagon formations must be changed to Hexagon), but havent tested (dont know how well linear arc/ horizontal path affect them)

1 PW in NG, also accurate to ~4px with 1x Faster Projectiles perk. 24 slots, 105 mana drain.

• Either chaotic path or slithering path (or both) can be used.
• Formation: Trifurcated can be replaced with Bifurcated or Above and Below. Or, you can remove it and add a 4+ multicast (making the wand only need 23 slots) and move the Tentacle before the first Digging Blast; then the wand will travel in the opposite direction of fire.

[olive oyster]

Lowest-capacity build for NG PW travel with 1x Faster Projectiles, at 20 slots and 91 mana drain (4px accuracy)

[hollow cypress]

Having fun with tentacle eggsploiting, hoping to come up with some accessible update to eggsploit wiki page https://www.twitch.tv/nutty_mitchell/clip/StupidDirtySaladImGlitch-w6lJrnsKEsTiSZfJ

So wand 2 is teleporting to Endroom from the start, and after 2 minutes + time to unloaded left starting chunk teleports you to above desert
Wand 4 goes to PW, and after 10 seconds and time of unloading left chunk, teleports back to main
Such combo can be used to get both sub 1min and sub5min in one run, if you wait a bit before throwing the PW egg, so a minute would pass and second loaded endroom had sub5min, since they are exclusive

Null shot is not advised, that yeets the trophies like crazy, i just found random point of time with both builds on one screen

Wand 3 is a one-way ticket to endroom, without even any accuracy for the spot where you're standing required, since for treechievements, you need to load the endroom, so it's ok if it puts you in brickwork, as long as endroom got loaded
Can also do same but with anti-gravity instead of gravity to have a way back on a separate egg
The idea of going back is to start the run with billions of gold, as a pleasant addition to also covering those treechievements that require you to actually play the game

[hollow cypress]

Is true orbit + orbit larpa hitting Mina every time? With 0 starting speed

[thorny verge]

Definitely not without more conditions. If no terrain is nearby then i think it is pretty reliable

Not sure if it is viable for egg trick, but probably not

[hollow cypress]

I added quite a few tentacle eggs to eggsploit page, though I am not sure where to fit explanations for what can replace what and how to use
The page is rather naked, with each previously existing there build barely having a sentence of comment on it, so if i would want to make it more informative, i would have to probably restructure the page, with tentacle eggs being their own sub-section, because people are just copying that ASE build without having a clue on what's going on with ownership and if position of egg/mina matters

[thorny verge]

I was also wondering if a phasing LDT with formations to shoot the angle would be the smaller build

[hollow cypress]

Not like people use that page a lot
What would be lovely is a utility similar to minecraft Wikis, if item can be crafted out of several items of the same type, the ingredients rotate through them
It would be really nice to have, for example, last divide be rotating through ones that are enough to cancel the draw, add triggers rotating between eachother, spell with gravity through clouds/circles/fields

[hollow cypress]

Yeah was thinking the same too

[thorny verge]

Around 500 phasing jumps

Am i doing that correctly?

[hollow cypress]

Or rather: same formation usage, but phasing build instead
Not smaller, just thought that it's obviously possible
And i feel like slow enough projectiles can't even hit terrain in front of them, so could be done without too too much space taken by working around that

Hm looks like 580 to me

It could also be some unique combination of more agressive angle, like from bifurcated, with projectile that has gravity, maybe with accelerating shots

Do i get it right that the phasing ASE build from wiki hits the terrain and does it's first jump to the right?

I was confused for a while as to why it goes at angle
My guess it hits terrain before first jump, does it horizontally to the right, the rest 4 are in unloaded chunks so it does them downwards, then it releases second ASE that does all 5 jumps directly down

So like, if someone throws it at the ceiling, it might not hit terrain and tp into lava/EDR

[thorny verge]

i dont think it needs to hit terrain. it just has 0 speed and goes east by default

[hollow cypress]

Oh wait, second rotation doesn't have gravity
But the first one does, and it has 12 frames before the first jump, and people always throw it on the floor

Sorry for shitting in speed-based thread, i don't have access to searching for threads on mobilei just have link to this one saved lmao
It's a small filler anyway

I have distance to endroom saved as 41.85315401692 flyups, though Mines entrance <-> Endroom distance is quite tiny so range is pretty wide, and closer to 41.83 works even better
And when i do 7.92×1.2^41.84 it gives like 16240 px, which is ~580 phasing jumps

Also koobey feel free to do whatever you want to tentacle injections i did to eggsploit page
It was unironically my very first time doing something for wiki and i'm not satisfied with how it looks so

[thorny verge]

you might want to stop by #noita-wiki as well

[hollow cypress]

Oh riight, that exists

[hollow cypress]

Added many generic tips to eggsploit page as well
I need to make image(s) similar to the one phasing has, but for tentacle eggs, since just that blood cloud can be a dozen of other spells

I think you will like the summon egg tech in tip #3

[hollow cypress]

Found another easy transition, now in one spell
Speed cap > X > tentacle timer with payload > Decelerating shot > 33 flyups
If X is Phasing arc, then it's NG PW teleport, overshoots whole 180 px though
If X is Heavy shot, it's NG+ ldt, undershoots 21 px, very pleasant

Pretty inaccurate at NG teleporting for today's standarts, it's rather NG+ wand that is decently adapted into NG if you already built it but forgot that you need to pw travel a few more times

[hollow cypress]

So this

And you can do delayed spellcast with no wand refresh if you like walls

[hollow cypress]

I've been looking at more of such transitions
0.30/0.33 is pretty close to 64/70, but not perfect
So any NG+ builds with heavy shot in them can be turned into NG with phasing and backwards
But it will be overshoot in NG and undershoot in NG+
Accelerating shot is not enough as heavy shot replacer, it's like 2 chunks of undershooting

Difference in 2 accelerating shots is much closer to perfection, but requires 12 more flyups, so changes are still noticeable
It's nice how that accelerating shot transition aligned anyway

[hollow cypress]

Phasing arc => EP - 5 flyups is a much cleaner transition
NG: Phasing + 3 accelerating + 70.9976064429 flyups (16 px over)
Into NG+:
a) EP + 3 Accel + 66.0031739317 flyups (19 px under)
Or
b) Phasing + 1 Accel + 58.0069279587 flyups ( 42 px under)
Or
c) Heavy shot + 3 Accel + 71.0288590344 flyups ( 172 px under)

Fixing post-Heavy shot decimal inaccuracy using Speed up results in just EP speed multiplier, so same group, and that's too many spells already

I try not to start looking for solutions among speedcap tree, since it's immediately 2 extra slots and limitations in using them, it might store even better paid actor for demonstrating transitions than this phasing 3Accel

[olive oyster]

also, phasing = heavy shot + slimeball (though you need an extra multicast)

[hollow cypress]

Oh true
Could intentionally make some slimeball NG and take off slime ball in NG+
Making slimeball tentacles is easy, you just need to fix the spread and formation issues
So either another projectile to the other side of the tentacle and something in the shot reducing spread
Or overwriting formation with like 5-cast,will remove all spread too

[hollow cypress]

Oh it's a bit simpler
If you see a NG+ build you have everything for, can add slimeball to it to get NG ldt

Reverse can be done with that Giant firebolt's child_speed_multiplier but it's ungodly inconvenient

[edgy mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx6ZWgXQRIA&t=408s