this isnt the place for it still
#Anime & Manga Development Thread
civic schooner
vestal arch
so you're just spamming in here instead?
still mulch
i believe there's no thread because most stuff gets decided out of your reach of channels (cc/crew channels)
hexed kite
can there be a multipurpose developement thread?
still mulch
i doubt, most of the threads are for discussion of ongoing projects or future projects (megas, orre trainers, anime mons,etc.)
vestal arch
Please keep further questions to stuff relating to the anime/manga.
wicked dragon
s death wing go to github, make some pr so u become a cc so u can invole int the devellopment better
still mulch
1 pr doesn't give you the cc role lol
halcyon hearth
It does if it's big enough
still mulch
also yea any further discussion should be moved somewhere
still mulch
It does if it's big enough
a region is the only thing i can think about
velvet fable
More than 25 I think
hexed kite
?
velvet fable
Was a joke
still mulch
might be using the wrong email then, anyways #general or #off-topic for further discussion not involving the anime or manga
hexed kite
Ok
velvet fable
Or #other I guess
hexed kite
why were the different arbok face forms regected?
velvet fable
Too few difference
still mulch
small change
still mulch
they have a more noticeable change rather than a different pattern
hexed kite
What if you made a new arbok sprite that reveal its chest markings more
vestal arch
The Arbok Patterns are basically ignored even by TPC these days
It was a fun little sprite difference that they haven't kept up or done anything with
halcyon hearth
Tf would he be part of the Galar story?
hexed kite
it was in journeys
halcyon hearth
Also not relevant to this channel
hexed kite
its anime
still mulch
alola and galar story aren't
hexed kite
ok
what about that one weird ditto that couldn't copy pokemon's faces in indigo leage?
still mulch
rejected
hexed kite
squirtle squad?
civic schooner
the story is based on the main series games, not anime stuff
anime stuff would be sidestory quests that involve pokemon, like how Dada Zarude is a sidequest based on the movie
still mulch
all of the ditto mons were rejected because people would ask for a version of all of them
hexed kite
true
vestal arch
If you'll scroll up you'll see that Squirtle Squad was being discussed earlier.
halcyon hearth
Yeah most things don't get accepted. They tend to be either in limbo or rejected
civic schooner
if anything i can imagine the kamina shades one being 'Ash's Squirtle' and the circle shades being Squirtle (Squad)
vestal arch
It's probably hard to see the discussion since this channel's been spammed with irrelevant stuff.
The biggest priority is doing things from the games. This is a side thread because adding anime stuff a side project, it's not a guaranteed thing that they'll all get in.
civic schooner
usually called Venustoise
hexed kite
I would imagine its not canon because it was a dream
still mulch
anime has gone out of canon quite alot of times
civic schooner
its still an anime thing
vestal arch
There are a lot of Kanto alternate forms. For example, all the partner-hat pikachus....
hexed kite
What if you could style you pikachu's hair, but not as a new pikachu, instead a skin for pikachu, purely for cosmetic purposes...? there are a lot of pikachu haircuts in the anime
the partner hat pikachus are in the game
velvet fable
Nooo more Pikachu noooo
still mulch
i mean hats are for cosmetic purposes and they're new pikachu alternate forms
hexed kite
then make them cosmetics too
hexed kite
it'd be like nicknaming the pokemon
velvet fable
And would angry people as would reduce their electric power
hexed kite
good point
still mulch
and pikachu has a quite good breeding efficiency so i don't doubt alot of people breed them alot
hexed kite
maybe haircuts shouldnt exist
velvet fable
And then there is @wicked dragon
hexed kite
what about all of the uncharted areas in the pokemon journeys anime?
still mulch
i mean they're uncharted so it's kinda hard to make them in a map
unkempt thorn
i read somewhere there is a pokemon called mewthree is this true?
fickle scaffold
common urban legend in the 90s but never actually existed
vestal arch
there's a manga where mewthree briefly "exists", it's the super jokey clefairy one IIRC?
i'm pretty sure it's like. a one-off joke though
unkempt thorn
is there any plan to add cosplay pikachu?
could optionally have the extra typings on its costumes
velvet fable
Contest afaik
unkempt thorn
ok then, works for me
we also haven't got mimikyu-busted, though i've no idea how you would add that
halcyon hearth
Neither of those suggestions are anime or manga based
foggy locust
do we have a naked burmy yet?
still mulch
I can send it in some seconds
velvet fable
Then there is a choosen one, because I would need to search for mine
I just remind it was around Xmas because I made it in my grandpa home
still mulch
Here is my naked burmy
foggy locust
Thanks!
Might as well spill the beans: any other good berry wanderer anime forms people know about?
flat shoal
what's the context?
foggy locust
Anything berry related
hexed kite
what if you have a chance of attracting that one female pink butterfree from indigo league if your farm has like maximum sweetness or something?
flat shoal
wanderers can't be attracted based on flavor, that'd be something more complex someone would have to be willing to code
vestal arch
Pink Butterfree is already a Sevii roamer
foggy locust
Aah, to clarify, new mons not yet in the game that have interesting anime forms or costumes
Yes they are
flat shoal
Pink Butterfree is already a Sevii roamer
some roamers can be attracted by berries, so it's not that big of a deal. it's why i asked the context for the berry. for example, if it's the melody berry then meloetta could be a wanderer so unova could have one
vestal arch
understandable
hexed kite
was the pink butterfree cannonically classified as a pinkan pokemon?
flat shoal
nope. it's not explicitly stated that it was
halcyon hearth
was the pink butterfree cannonically classified as a pinkan pokemon?
No, but it's also not a Pinkan in pokeclicker either
hexed kite
thats weird
halcyon hearth
what about the giant torterra from detective pikachu?
Aren't they just Torterra but.... big?
hexed kite
I think so, but they were too big to just be a minor size difference like in gen 9 and pla.
Also, do we know the region from the events of detective pikachu?
vestal arch
Aren't they just Torterra but.... big?
yeah they're literally just Ridiculously Large
halcyon hearth
Also, do we know the region from the events of detective pikachu?
I don't believe so
hexed kite
is it safe to assume its an existing region, or is it just a new one entirely?
flat shoal
for detective pikachu? i think a non-mainline game cause there was a part where west shellos changed into east a la irl evolution, reproducing on an island for a few decades
hexed kite
the movie and the game
foggy locust
Although its location relative to other regions is unknown, the mention of Pokémon Trainers, Pokémon Rangers, Pokémon Contests, and the Alola region indicate that it is located in the same world as the core series games.
hexed kite
there's probably a theory about it somewhere.
What about golden sudowoodo and snowman snorlax?
blue orb pikachu?
foggy locust
golden sudowoodo: I have plans to implement that with the bug catching contest (if i ever get back to doing the damn thing)
snowman snorlax: General statements that it'd be good for christmas, no one is doing that yet as far as I know
blue orb pikachu.... probably acceptable, but it'd need an interesting reason
sand pendant
there's that watermelon electrode
halcyon hearth
I have a feeling that was rejected? But can't remember why
foggy locust
it's... very silly lol
halcyon hearth
not as silly as cheesery
hexed kite
what about james's maranie?
halcyon hearth
How does it look different?
foggy locust
hexed kite
porygon 0?
hexed kite
How does it look different?
nvm i was accidentally thinking about its shiny
sand pendant
3 of the 4 carbink servants from the diancie movie look different
flat shoal
well if anything's going be a berry wanderer i think the one that looks like a fruit should be it
foggy locust
3 of the 4 carbink servants from the diancie movie look different
and they feature heavily in the "The Thieves and the 1000 Pokémon" game, if anyone ever wanted to implement that
halcyon hearth
well if anything's going be a *berry wanderer* i think the one that looks like a...
It's real goofy but that's a fair point
flat shoal
yeah, not really a fan but if we do add something it should at least make sense 🤷♂️
sand pendant
it would be a very summer-y addition
hexed kite
what about porygon zero?
hexed kite
new bills grandpa quest?
halcyon hearth
We also have more interesting porygons
hexed kite
maybe it could replace the porgon in the shop at kanto, then give regular porygon a new use?
idk
what 'interesting' porygons?
halcyon hearth
Shield, Hammer and Sword
foggy locust
slk is doing... something with that, iirc
hexed kite
those are from the same movie as the one that porygon zero was featured in
halcyon hearth
Which makes Porygon Zero even more pointless
hexed kite
good point. Maybe it can be the only porygon that can transform into sword, hammer, and shield?
hexed kite
I heard that the devs are potentially putting ash-squirtle in pokeclicker. My question is will there be a difference between ash-squirtle and regular squirtle's sprites?
foggy locust
gross but potentially useful
hexed kite
what about the ancient pokemon?
hexed kite
...
frozen stump
what actresses think they look like without makeup
hexed kite
Millennial hairlined god of antimatter snake wants your attention.
hexed kite
oh no what have i done
halcyon hearth
what about the ancient pokemon?
You'll have to elaborate. That could mean many things
hexed kite
The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis ancient pokemon
what about the heart patterned spinda?
halcyon hearth
You should check the pins, a lot of these things are already there
hexed kite
ok
formal valley
would Marin work as a farm pokemon?
there's not really any story for it so it wouldn't fit better anywhere else
foggy locust
if it doesn't have a dex number it's a hard sell. not impossible but a hard sell
formal valley
good point
formal valley
How does it look different?
James' Mareanie/Toxapex has its cyan replaced with purple
also, in-keeping with the theme of no-cloak Burmy, Applin is seen without its apple in New Snap
halcyon hearth
I guess that would be dragon type instead of grass/dragon?
still mulch
Isn't that technically the same thing that happens with flabebe line?
halcyon hearth
Yeah, their flowers are also not part of their body. Well, Flabébé and Floette's aren't. Pretty sure Florges is
formal valley
have the Flabebes been seen without their flowers in anything yet?
flat shoal
still mulch
Yeah, their flowers are also not part of their body. Well, Flabébé and Floette's...
So it starts attached to an item and then becomes part of the item but doesn't gain a new type
So ig it could still be a grass dragon
civic schooner
James' Mareanie/Toxapex has its cyan replaced with purple
James' mareanie never evolved. That's a shiny toxapex that Mareanie crushes on iirc
formal valley
shiny Toxapex looks like this, I don't know if that one is James' or not but it's not the shiny
I'm getting my info for where these come from from Bulbapedia so I'm fully aware some of it is definitely wrong
I just don't know what's wrong and what's right
civic schooner
I watched the sun/moon snime a while back and don't remember James making any attempt of catching it
formal valley
I just re-checked the bulbapedia page I looked at & it does say it's one that his was crushing on, maybe it was changed or maybe I'm misremembering, sorry
either way, it's still a different colour ot both its regular and shiny form
halcyon hearth
Point is, it's neither the normal or shiny colour. (I would hope we could think of a better name than "James' Mareanie anyway so it not belonging to James wouldn't matter)
formal valley
Mareanie (purple) seems like it'd be fine
or just Purple Mareanie like Pink Butterfree already is
velvet fable
Tldr
foggy locust
Tldr no sprites needed yet just talkin
gaunt narwhal
There's also 1 shrooms paras and no shrooms paras @foggy locust prob a few more but I would have to double check
I'll get you the picture of them later or tomorrow when I'm home
Porygon also depends on what I can get away with
velvet fable
I would wait it to be centered...
My problem with add a paras is that we already have 4
gaunt narwhal
Carbink
Wait that's eggs
Jirachi sleeping
https://images6.alphacoders.com/131/1313172.png
velvet fable
As the gif
gaunt narwhal
Pudgy pidgey, your invisible kecleon, crystal coin Meowth, gold Diglett from staduim, smeargle with the different tail brush colors, the tan and tall sunflora
halcyon hearth
If we're looking for wanderers there's that Applin that someone brought up earlier
foggy locust
current batch is finalized but those are all good candidates for potential futures
halcyon hearth
Yeah don't want to do too many at once
foggy locust
gold diglett is in my brain now though
gaunt narwhal
There's plenty of stadium and smash alt colors to choose from too
formal valley
I don't think the Stadium colours are proper alts
Pokémon in Stadium get recoloured based on their name so the ones in the minigames look different because they have specific names
this post explains how it works & has links to a google drive of the max & min hue shifts
https://projectpokemon.org/home/forums/topic/55978-stadium-nicknames-and-color-changes/
gaunt narwhal
I meant the ones from the mini games
formal valley
yeah, I think the ones in the minigames are differently coloured because of the pre-existing system in the game rather than a specific choice by the developers
frank tapir
Some of those were probably suggested before but
one tail vulpix
venustoise
legendary bird fusion
dialga palkia fusion
unkempt thorn
that dialga palkia fusion i hope that become real one day
velvet fable
123 have sprite already
foggy locust
Some day, thu-fi-zur
still mulch
the famous pokeball guy
civic schooner
Ball Guy who teaches you about special balls or is a special ball vendor
velvet fable
Is he wearing very long gloves or he painted his skin?
still mulch
I think it's one of those full body suits
I've seen him somewhere without the mask and he had normal skin
Galarian meowth staring at me is scary, and yea i see him.
velvet fable
He only want you to pet it!
still mulch
I'd pet it since it's a cat still but he looks like he's gonna push me from my feet while i'm sleeping
velvet fable
Nah, he only will lie over you during night, making you unable to wake in the morning
frozen stump
he is the kind of cat to sit on your face and suffocate you in your sleep
halcyon hearth
Does anyone know of any Eastery forms?
still mulch
Did some research and i couldn't find anything that has to do with easter or can be fit in as easter related
fickle scaffold
the crucified unova gym leaders from the manga ☠️
velvet fable
That's too easter lol
formal valley
there's an Easter event in Unite that has some Holowear, I believe these are all the explicitly Easter based ones
still mulch
The cinderace one looks cool
formal valley
here's a better pic of Wigglytuff
it seems like the bulbapedia page of all the Unite costumes hasn't been updated since February but some others might work. I believe all the ones called "pastel style" are from the Easter events
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Holowear
foggy locust
Formal sprite request: Snowman Snorlax
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/PK09
velvet fable
Formal sprite request: Snowman Snorlax
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/P...
Was already done...
Should be pinned...
#1039089756342079498 message
foggy locust
ahh thanks!
velvet fable
Quicker sprite at this side of Ebro river!
sand pendant
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Easter's_Pikachu_(SM-P_Promo_55)
there's this that could be used as an easter form
frank tapir
if we have Ash's butterfree why not his primeape
halcyon roost
https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Zapmolcuno
If we dabble into manga exclusives, we can have this masterpiece
(with a quest with team rocket shenanigans ? owo)
civic schooner
Its been brought up multiple times
frank tapir
Not to be that person but there should probably a better organized pin with ideas that should not be brought up again (as if anyone reads the pins lmao)
formal valley
you can use the keyboard shotcut "ctrl" + F to search for if something had been talked about before
or use this in the top right
unkempt thorn
would pikachu libre ever come to game and fun fact this pikachu is female
still mulch
All of the pikachu costumes are planned to be added and they're not related to anime and manga
gaunt narwhal
https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Zapmolcuno
If we dabble into manga exclusives, w...
The sprite is still somewhere. Soul has a copy I think since they were working in a galarian version of it
gaunt narwhal
gold diglett is in my brain now though
forgot to link picture https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/26/Gold_Diglett_Stadium.png
fickle scaffold
say, is there a thread for new form suggestions that aren’t from anime or manga? I thought of one from merch/Shuffle but I can’t find a thread for either of those topics so idk if it’s already been suggested
gaunt narwhal
no one has made one
but this thread has kinda also ended up just being a dumping ground of all outside main game alts
foggy locust
just remember that forms for forms sake are not usually desired
new mechanics that need forms to make them worth doing, that's the ticket
gaunt narwhal
new pikachus are even less desired 🤣
foggy locust
yes, indeed
is currently adding 5 pikachus
gaunt narwhal
rename pokeclicker to pikachu clicker
flat shoal
lmao
fickle scaffold
but this thread has kinda also ended up just being a dumping ground of all outsi...
ah ok thanks! I was looking at old Shuffle-exclusive forms and variants and I took note of the Celebration Pikachus which were based on a plushie line that came out on a monthly basis with each form themed around that month, like Children’s Day in May, Rainy Season in June, Summer Festival in July, etc. I know we already have a billion Pikachu forms but I think these are much more distinct and interesting than all the rest, and their month-themed format poses an interesting opportunity for gameplay mechanics (maybe one per month could rotate availability in pokeclicker? either in Pikachu Valley or wherever else devs decide to make them available)
Shuffle sprites can be seen here: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Pumpkinking0192/ShuffleSchedule#Celebration_Challenge
info on the merch line (but no photos 😭): https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu_Celebrations
fickle scaffold
new pikachus are even less desired 🤣
oof 💀 oh well (but I appreciate the chance to pitch it regardless)
gaunt narwhal
yea theres LOTS of possibilities with pikachu beause mascot and what not but it becomes a bit over saturated with pikachus unless you can think of a good reason why this specific one would be a good add
flat shoal
just wait until Pikachu Jump
gaunt narwhal
only if they dont add new pikachus lol
like 1 pikachu form that could have a compelling reason that we went through before was special delivery,
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ki8AAOSwRIFhTedM/s-l1200.webp
because bidoof and charizard would make it a 3 mon set
fickle scaffold
I do think the month-themed format is a unique appeal especially if y’all want to create content that can have a long tail to keep endgame players playing (it would take a full year to EV these if you chose to do them)
gaunt narwhal
but other than a short discussion about it, it never moved past that
fickle scaffold
but you’re right there are a billion pikachu
gaunt narwhal
especially when you start looking at tcg
then you think wtf theres 1019 pokemon and you want to drown us in pikachus
flat shoal
I do think the month-themed format is a unique appeal especially if y’all want t...
we're trying not to timegate things, hence the event refactor
gaunt narwhal
fickle scaffold
we're trying not to timegate things, hence the event refactor
ah, I assumed exactly the opposite due to friend safari lol
gaunt narwhal
but yea, if you think of an interesting way to add them then im sure more pikachus would be considered
oak marten
https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Zapmolcuno
If we dabble into manga exclusives, w...
Oh no no no no 
Which of the three would be used for the idea though?
gaunt narwhal
Still needs the third type or for it to work
oak marten
Yeah. It's just a random thought I head seeing it. As it's not as obvious as with Kyurem who's the main one. If you know what I mean.
gaunt narwhal
its has been and will continue to a be a " well worry about it when the quest is written out"
oak marten
Honestly the perfect answer hahaha
halcyon hearth
Oh no no no no <:MonkaS:583829097034285066> Which of the three would be used for...
I'd imagine Moltres? Since it's last in the dex so it would appear after all of them
oak marten
I'd imagine Moltres? Since it's last in the dex so it would appear after all of ...
I guess that makes the most sense
It's also the Center Head
velvet fable
like 1 pikachu form that could have a compelling reason that we went through bef...
I made the charizard last year and I'm sure other person made either Pikachu or bidof
gaunt narwhal
i think all of them were made
velvet fable
Good
formal valley
since the Safari rework has happened, I'd like to recommend these robot birds that appear in Safaris in the manga as safari level rewards similar to the BF floor rewards. I think they're cute
oak marten
I think that's actually a pretty neat idea
oak marten
The starly I like the most
velvet fable
Future paradox hoothoot!
foggy locust
cursed implementation: Rarer item-only mons
velvet fable
I ask for hoot hoot sprite! Is so cute and Gen 2 nostslgia
velvet fable
I the card rayquaza have the original colors
oak marten
I the card rayquaza have the original colors
I am very much aware.
velvet fable
Then you will be aware that with current line this wouldn't ever be accepted... Would be called "non-canon"
oak marten
Then you will be aware that with current line this wouldn't ever be accepted... ...
I am. I originally posted it somewhere else and was told to move it here. So I did.
hearty tinsel
Meh. It was fine here. That's the point really, regardless if it were to be accepted or denied. This thread began as an Anime & Manga thread and has expanded beyond that, including TCG stuff. (My point is proven with the attached image) The worst they could tell you is, "no" and posting it might lead to a person in a higher position to advocate having it in the game. In my personal opinion I don't think it was different enough/had a good reason to be implemented (especially because we just got a Rayquaza form), but nonetheless I thought it was a good recolor, keep up the good work Pendra! 👍
velvet fable
Meh. It was fine here. That's the point really, regardless if it were to be acce...
The thing is that, pendra knows the current view of devs is against of fake forms and thus it mean a recolor without a solid base won't be accepted. Not if it come from a card or from the anime
oak marten
Meh. It was fine here. That's the point really, regardless if it were to be acce...
I'm glad you like it! Thanks!
velvet fable
There is a user making a full dex fusing pokemons with Rowlet. But you won't find it here because is not official
oak marten
The thing is that, pendra knows the current view of devs is against of fake form...
Yes I do, and I'm aware. I was simply told to post it here, so I did. I didn't mean any harm and it won't happen again.
halcyon hearth
There is a user making a full dex fusing pokemons with Rowlet. But you won't fin...
That is not a worthy comparison
velvet fable
It won't first time people is told not to post unofficial sprites here...
oak marten
It won't first time people is told not to post unofficial sprites here...
But I was told to post it here... so I didn't pay it any mind... I don't know what more you want me to say. I'm sorry and I removed it.
velvet fable
I don't saying you anything more...
I'm just saying you what I was told myself (and they were ruder) and then explaining to your white knight...
oak marten
I'm just saying you what I was told myself (and they were ruder) and then explai...
Oh okay. I see, I'm a bit bad with situations like this sometimes and didn't fully understand your intentions. Sorry about that.
I'll refrain from posting unofficial stuff in any capacity from now on and instead focus on official things like the purple Kecleon I made.
🫡
velvet fable
Weren't there already one made?
oak marten
Weren't there already one made?
Not that I was aware, and from the reaction I got others didn't seem to be aware either.
velvet fable
I though someone else made one one year ago... But might be confusing with the orange one
oak marten
Well I checked the pin and it seems the Purple Kecleon from the anime hasn't been made yet. Or the pin wasn't updated.
My version was the one from PMD though, which isn't listed anywhere, which makes it hard to look up what exists and what doesn't.
velvet fable
If it was talked was in a now archived place... I the old development chat...
But it might as well just be rejected...
I can't fully remember
oak marten
The people that were working on things related to the Kecleon seemed to like it and didn't know of one existing yet.
But if it's rejected there's really not any harm.
At least to me.
velvet fable
I know orange was approved but the one that was coding that event disappeared
oak marten
Guess we'll see what happens
oak marten
Oh I see
#crew-general message
Posted the Kecleon here if you wanted to take a look at the discussion.
velvet fable
I don't go to general. I prefer keep my mind healthy and not be insulted
hearty tinsel
I'm just saying you what I was told myself (and they were ruder) and then explai...
White Knight, huh. That's a new one. Being kind to a member, especially a new one is called "white knighting" now. Your message (this one I'm responding to) implies someone was ruder to you when you learned the "unofficial sprites" information which also implies you were rude with your response. Doesn't hurt to be kind ya know
oak marten
That's fair.
still mulch
That's the crew general drak
velvet fable
White Knight, huh. That's a new one. Being kind to a member, especially a new on...
You were just not reading what I said and making a snowball of something that wasn't so big. So yes, you were being a white knight... I wasn't rude. I just said this don't belong to here. I hope you don't need to discover what people being rude means...
And if it doesn't hurt to be kind why people never try to do to with me...?
velvet fable
That's the crew general drak
Is neither good lately...
still mulch
Yep, but there's no insults towards you there and the topics that cause discussions are for the game and not whathever happens in the normal general
civic schooner
i mean Eugene was the one who told Pendra to post the rayquaza here, and the TCG is as official as merch is if not moreso
oak marten
i mean Eugene was the one who told Pendra to post the rayquaza here, and the TCG...
The point was that while the Rayquaza with the changed typing was based in Canon, the colors I gave it were not.
Which I think is a fair point.
civic schooner
ah, hard to know when the images are gone
oak marten
Yeah, sorry about that. But I thought after the reactions, it would be better to remove them.
I could probably repost them in #off-topic if you'd like to take a look though.
foggy locust
i mean Eugene was the one who told Pendra to post the rayquaza here, and the TCG...
whoops
oak marten
Made a small Dialga (Primal) sprite/recolor since I already made another PMD one ( Seen here: #crew-general message / #crew-general message ) recently. But I am not sure I am am as happy with the Dialga as I was with the Kecleon. Yet, if you people like it enough I'll gladly also make a shiny version of it.
Not sure if it is still being updated, but in case you are all happy with it the two sprites ( Purple Kecleon / Kecleon (Shopkeeper) & Dialga (Primal) ) should probably be marked as finished on this post: #1039089756342079498 message
forgot to index it, will fix that if needed.
still mulch
The orange parts need a better shading and the dark blue shading doesn't to be that dark
oak marten
Oh, that's what you mean, yeah
still mulch
Try increasing the brightness of it by like 5%/7%
oak marten
That's fair
velvet fable
And it fuse with outline making a thicker impresión that seem weird
still mulch
You fused it with another shade it had tho
oak marten
What do you mean exactly?
velvet fable
Original dialoga have more shades you reduced the number of them
still mulch
You've used the shade from here fusing the 2 of them
formal valley
the top of the tail definitely, the bottom seems fine to me though
oak marten
Original dialoga have more shades you reduced the number of them
I did infact not. it might seem that way since the original had more blue-ish parts tho
velvet fable
You did in the butt
frank tapir
They did what in the butt
velvet fable
You destroyed the curve made to give volume to it
oak marten
Yeah that's what Soul meant, I messed up with the shading fix.
I thought you meant something else
formal valley
I feel like the red gem also has too many colours
the original one looks like it only has 2
velvet fable
Basic of recoloring if you are making it lighter start from the paler shade if you are making it darker for the more dark. And when you are working with dark tones reduce saturation of original layer to generate a biggest con strat feeling
Not saturation. Transparency
still mulch
the original one looks like it only has 2
It has 3 since gf often made a lighter shade to make the transition between the light shade and the normal shade smoother
oak marten
the original one looks like it only has 2
I mean, yeah. That was just something I tried, but that's easy to remove
formal valley
maybe the light blue is closer to white than the light red is too?
oak marten
As I said, it's am easy "fix"
still mulch
Ok
velvet fable
Are we entering in color perception? You obiusly don't change the hue and done. At same level of brightness diferent hues have different perception so you have to manually graduate to make it feel correct
still mulch
I mean for that dialga chaging the hue would be a good thing
still mulch
Since i've learned hue shifting i preffer doing it
But anyways let's not dive too much into that
velvet fable
But hue shifting don't works very well in pixl of that size...
still mulch
It does
velvet fable
Is better for big drawings
still mulch
I don't think you understand what i mean with it
velvet fable
Change the hue of the shadow to make a darker perception
still mulch
Ik you do know alot about art but ig you might've confused the names while translating it?
Cus it works really well
velvet fable
I don't like the result in pokemon sprite because diverge from original styling and make you feel it isn't really a sprite. I prefer to stick as much as possible at original way of work
still mulch
But.. their sprites almost all of them use hue shifting
oak marten
That's the blue made a bit lighter and the gem returned to the original amount of colors
velvet fable
I only see it in yellow ones
still mulch
That looks good but now the only "issue" i see are the orange shades being too similar to eachother
oak marten
That looks good but now the only "issue" i see are the orange shades being too s...
Yeah, that is a bit harder and as such I wanted the simpler things out of the way first
velvet fable
I still find blue too dark
oak marten
If I make that shade lighter it will blend into the next shade again, unless you mean the whole thing
velvet fable
Both of them need to be a bit bright
still mulch
Them the rest of the stuff would also too
oak marten
Like this? Either way, I'll take a short break and then fix the orange parts first.
Issue was I tried to recreate the gradients of the Artwork which made it blend to much and doesn't really work
velvet fable
Add more contrast, you need a paler and less saturated shade to recreate the light effect
still mulch
Yea, never really base of artwork outside of the pose
velvet fable
Here pose is the original
still mulch
Ik
still mulch
Look great
velvet fable
Tu haven't make the orange yet?
oak marten
I have?
velvet fable
It looks like it have light in original art, but not in the sprite
oak marten
It kinda does, but that's a hard to recreate effect with a sprite, and my attempts at it failed horribly
Though I think it is supposed to be more of a bronze effect
velvet fable
Doesn't look like metálica shine to me in art. It tends to be more sharp
still mulch
I'm trying to understand what you mean by it having light in the og art
still mulch
Ooh, that isn't that important tho
The sprite will always appear during daylight in this game so trying to make light on it is kind of pointless
oak marten
I did try to do something similar to the official sprite at first
But it just didn't look good
Also the difference isn't even that noticible
still mulch
Yea
oak marten
There is an error on it tho
Gimme a moment
Some how made a part of the gem orange when testing shades
Now fixed
Here is a potential shiny version based on Arceu's colors. Not sure if that works for a shiny p. dialga tho
still mulch
That looks weird..
oak marten
Yeah a bit
halcyon hearth
I can't tell if that shiny looks amazing or terrible. I flip flop every five seconds
foggy locust
velvet fable
Why don't make the body a dark esmeralda color?
After all the original color is darker base one
civic schooner
the only shinies ive seen have made it lighter blue
frank tapir
I know you probably dont want that but origin dialga has a darker color than regular dialga and its shiny color is turquoise
frank tapir
One could go with the primal kyogre/groudon route and make it black
frank tapir
I know you probably dont want that but origin dialga has a darker color than reg...
which would be this?
civic schooner
primal dialga has no official shiny is the issue bc he's a temporary form in a side game
velvet fable
Making the color more greenish as ks do e in both dialga versions
civic schooner
turquoise might look good
velvet fable
But both official shinies follow the same pattern
So the logic would say make the same
oak marten
Didn't base it of the original Dialgas shiny because for Kecleon the regular adapted one wasn't as well liked as a completely custom one
Can make a tinted shiny p dialga later
velvet fable
You can't extrapolate
And even if people like something more. We are trying to keep Canon aren't we
oak marten
They said "There is no Canon shiny for this form, so go wild."
Besides not every form has the same shiny scheme as the regular form. But I'll make one based on og shiny.
frank tapir
I'd say primal dialga color is close enough to origin dialga
(which makes sense from a lore point i guess)
oak marten
Yeah, I just wanted to explain my thought process.
halcyon hearth
Whatever the shiny looks like, it is 0% canon. So you can pretty much do whatever you want, as long as it looks good imo
oak marten
Whatever the shiny looks like, it is 0% canon. So you can pretty much do whateve...
I think that aswell, but I think making two versions, one based on base form shiny, and one (or more custom) and letting people decide is probably best.
Will make 1 ~ 2 after dinner,
frank tapir
Should there be an official poll "should custom shinies be more akin to be like the canon colors" or do we have this exact conversation each time
velvet fable
Should there be an official poll "should custom shinies be more akin to be like ...
I personally follow that rule
oak marten
I don't think one can answer that question in a general way.
velvet fable
Taking account our decission with shadows...
frank tapir
I dont think one should answer that question but as a collective
velvet fable
We followed the Canon at te point of use colloseum special shiny colors
oak marten
Shadows are not technicly entire different forms tho
halcyon hearth
Shadows are kinda different to regular alt forms...
velvet fable
But if you check most of alt forms we have follow cannon style
halcyon hearth
Tbf, most alt forms don't largely change the colour scheme
velvet fable
This neither do if you ask me... Just make it darker and add a new color in a zone
halcyon hearth
And those that do (Pinkans and Magikarps for example) have completely made up shinies
frank tapir
Purple kecleon changes the colour scheme
and still could have a canon shiny
a canon like shiny
velvet fable
Tbh I would prefer a Canon like one
velvet fable
But that talk was made when I was sleeping so I couldn't even have time to express my opinion (neither it would be Litsen, as always...)
frank tapir
does the second one look better? imo yes
Should the rule be "canon first"? also imo yes
velvet fable
And qwerty, I can assure you that half of Magikarps follow the same hue shift as original magikarp
halcyon hearth
So half don't?
velvet fable
I don't know how soul made thier
halcyon hearth
Although, that doesn't really make a difference, the same hue change from a different starting point is not the same thing
velvet fable
Is the only reference we could use
sinful axle
tomfoolery begins
sinful axle
you see i am an ultra custom night fan
meaning I am completely insane knowing miniscule changes that makes something a variant/new thing lmfao
sinful axle
base kanto (aka no forms yet) done
just gonna get all the base dexes in there to set a good spot for where to put everything else-
foggy locust
please remember that the more small and borin the change, the higher justification it needs to be added to the game (Generally)
not saying don't do a deep dive, just setting expectations
sinful axle
silly idea already in my mind are
the pokemon go spindas
since those spinda spots are hand picked instead of random
oak marten
I don't know what you are cooking, but same with my own food/projects, only the one cooking can get burned. So cook as much as you want.
sinful axle
i mean someone said to sort of remake this
so I am in a way
just need to set this foundation first before going crazy
oak marten
I mean, do what you want, but Eugene's warning should not be ignored. I have a much smaller Document/Project coming up and even that will with 90% certenty be a waste of time.
Just be aware of that.
sinful axle
yeah lol
i mean a lot of the smaller stuff is just
mostly go putting flower crowns on stuff But they put those mons still in the event dex/variants or whatever so they count them as seperate stuff teehee, hell just shoving all it in a "Go" subregion and it's just a map of the world would be hilarious
velvet fable
Spindas have been rejected multiple times. Only one accepted was heart one and sprite is already done
foggy locust
Spindas have been rejected multiple times. Only one accepted was heart one and s...
and more broadly, having the (8?) spindas from PoGo and heart spinda was thought of as a potential solution, but was not finalized
velvet fable
Iirc heart was approved for love at first flight but the other were discussed and said no
foggy locust
you'd know better'n me
halcyon hearth
I don't believe anyone who can say no said no, but I may remember incorrectly
gaunt narwhal
iirc the pogo spindas and heart spindas were verbally approved to quell the constants all spinda spots request
sinful axle
another idea stuck in my head
oak marten
Please tell me no one unironicly asked for "all spindas"
gaunt narwhal
TONS of people have asked
velvet fable
There is a lot of people that think they can ask for anything and get mad if that doesn't happen...
You can't image how much make game easier and add this thing suggestion we have find...
sinful axle
these silly guys
velvet fable
Why do you think any pr that change the balance of game is behind cc edit? To avoid people programing things that will be rejected and in images is even worst...
No
sinful axle
😭
velvet fable
Ditto forms a big NO
sinful axle
i was just gonna ask for the tcg ones, especially the pink ditto pikachu-
foggy locust
you ask for just those, someone else asks for just a few from the anime, someone else asks for some from the manga
Now we have 200 dittos
oak marten
Detective is in the game
sinful axle
no I mean
irl movie versions
gaunt narwhal
art style wouldnt match the style the game is in
foggy locust
i am leaving this discussion, good luck all
gaunt narwhal
unless you mean something else entirely
oak marten
Gimme a moment
How is that as a shiny that is more based on how the shiny of the regular looks?
velvet fable
You can turn the blue a it to green
sinful axle
unless you mean something else entirely
I was just thinking sprites styled after the movie designs with whatever quirks the realistic models have
velvet fable
Don't sound feasible in 96 pixels
gaunt narwhal
so facial expressions?
sinful axle
A lot of it is the fuzziness of them, but idk how feasible that is for pixels
gaunt narwhal
not really feasible at all considering the size
velvet fable
It wouldnt be a significant change. We could make totally new poses and different face expressions but that wouldn't make them different forms
gaunt narwhal
and im not even sure if the art style would match
its gonna end up looking like funky fakemon
halcyon hearth
It would be no different to adding Bulbasaur (Anime) and Bulbasaur (Manga)
For example
velvet fable
In art style the most we could do would be rise the number of shades to end to a gradient feel but would be damn weird and not good looking imo
sinful axle
Fair enough
Point of this is to spitball every possible idea, whether debunked or whatever Because I have an unhealthy problem making lists Though probably put in the notes like an ❌ for debunked
velvet fable
Take account even if a form is possible we aren't adding form for the shake of add them. You need also a good read. To add then
Reason* (In writing without look the screen sorry)
sinful axle
At least you can’t forget this silly guy
Black Fog
Seems like the lore for him similar to these guys, even the Statue of it having similar markings
foggy locust
no one's gonna stop you from making the list, but just remember that putting a lot of time in doesn't always equate to it being used
sinful axle
Ik
Ig this is slight off topic- Just explaining that I do understand
I just have a lot of time available, and I am used to this lmfao
velvet fable
But we already have a list pinned...
oak marten
But we already have a list pinned...
Someone once asked to have it redone, though I don't think they ment like this
velvet fable
I would prefer a accesible list made by a mod as it allows better edit and readibility...
oak marten
Yeah
sinful axle
It’s unorganized and made me want do it like this, just able to put each variant under the original Pokémon-
Plus once I finish the base and maybe the forms already in-game, I’ll set it-
Yeah exactly, just open and available
oak marten
I would prefer a accesible list made by a mod as it allows better edit and readi...
I think that was, what they meant when they asked for a redone list.
gaunt narwhal
the only thing unorganized about it is that it doesnt have sprites for listed pokemon
pokemon with bow and ribbons are more than likely hard nos
the list follows based on anime episode, not pokemon number
velvet fable
It’s unorganized and made me want do it like this, just able to put each variant...
Isn't as unorganized as it looks like and have already purged all decision take already instead make us move in the same circles
oak marten
The List is outdated tho
gaunt narwhal
it would make the most sense with episode number and not pokemon number because someone, which was me, had to watch each episode and finds said pokemon with differences
of course
i closed the suggestion so its not being updated
oak marten
But unorganized it isn't
Well, except that small extra part, but that is so small it doesn't even matter
gaunt narwhal
extra was stuff that was remembered off top of head
was supposed to be organized and placed into slots as they came up in anime, movies, shorts
and seperate section for manga that was never done
oak marten
Which is fair
velvet fable
Slk could you add a message saying ditto and ribbons are a big no to the top of the lsit?
I might be a bit tired each few time a new person say exactly the same we have answered 100 times in last year
gaunt narwhal
a new thread with someone actually manging it would be best
but ill add it later, i should be asleep already
oak marten
Sleep well!
velvet fable
Good night slk, and you know you are the best for manage it
Better than someone else who have been here a month or two and don't know all we made and talk
And is your proyect, you could reopen it
oak marten
I could totally help format the list and such, but since I have no jurestiction over it the mangement definetly needs to be done by someone else.
sinful axle
Better than someone else who have been here a month or two and don't know all we...
……..well I’ve been playing the game for a long while but the discord I just joined uh….two days ago…lmao
well at least we got through this before I sunk too much time into this list lmao
velvet fable
I could totally help format the list and such, but since I have no jurestiction ...
That's why slk is best option. Is his proyect, that what closed for other reasons so he have right over it, he is mod so can edit, he knows the approved and rejected things and have a wide pokemon knowledge
oak marten
That's why slk is best option. Is his proyect, that what closed for _other reaso...
And I don't disagree with you, but whether or not he wants to manage it again, is something only he can decide. If not another mod/dev will need to be found for it.
velvet fable
There is a mod with wider pokemon knowledge than I think any human on earth, but I don't think he would want to deal with this
oak marten
There is a mod with wider pokemon knowledge than I think any human on earth, but...
And I could not blame him for that, given what kind of messages are sometimes posted here
velvet fable
I have seen the same pokemon being proposed 100 times... People really dont read
velvet fable
And I could not blame him for that, given what kind of messages are sometimes po...
Yes, this get very annoying when you check for what sprite are needed and approved and all is shit posted with silly repited suggestions or even with already made sprites (I even see people suggesting pokemons already on game)
oak marten
Yes, this get very annoying when you check for what sprite are needed and approv...
Yeah and I can get that, say about me what you will, I at least checked the pin here before I made the sprites
velvet fable
It would be better that you wouldn't post the process. I usually post my sprites process in offtopic so I don't annoy here.
oak marten
For now I'll just store the sprites in a github repo of my own. If there are any questions just ask.
sinful axle
well now I'm trying out making sprites, just read a sprite guide and going off from there with medibang pro lol
velvet fable
I though you were still working in that unfinished kangaskan
sinful axle
no that
is the thing
kangaskhan with no baby
velvet fable
Oh.... I though it was a previous version...
sinful axle
damn 😭
halcyon hearth
What does that mean, exactly?
unkempt thorn
it was a ghost of a mimikyu
halcyon hearth
A ghost of a ghost?
halcyon hearth
You got any images of this?
halcyon hearth
That's just a shiny Mimikyu?
unkempt thorn
was nicknamed mimikins if that's relevant to incorporating it
and yes it was shiny
civic schooner
yeah its a shiny mimikyu with a patch of normal cloth and its not a living being bc its a spirit, so its not like a normal mimikyu
its dead and it floats about
unkempt thorn
it had the flower on its head too
halcyon hearth
So, it's basically visually identical to a shiny Mimikyu?
unkempt thorn
almost
it could be floaty and have the flowers on its ear
also i don't think it's got the dark spirit thing underneath the cloth
it's just ghosty dead stuff
civic schooner
basically besides the patch of brown cloth and the flower clip
velvet fable
Ribbon case imo
velvet fable
discover this dope thing. can I made the sprite?
still mulch
Showndown already has it
oak marten
I mean, it is a Human Fused with a Pokemon. If that's not an issue... probably?
still mulch
And if it was used you'd need to talk with jostav to know if they are gonna implement the battle with her
velvet fable
Showndown already has it
Be use snogom not showdown
still mulch
Smogon is pokémon sprites not trainer sprites
Showdown talks with some artists who have done sprites of those types of characters to add them to their game as a avatar
still mulch
A possesed human is technically not a pokémon
velvet fable
The pokemon that posses the human is
oak marten
Nihilego
still mulch
Didn't slowking's crown do the same to ash and goh?
velvet fable
Slow to crown isn't a pokemon itself
sinful axle
maybe beating her allows a way to catch her team since they all get the totem glow/boost (either a sort of trade that gets opened, get put in any dungeons that don't already a "totem", or maybe they start roaming)
velvet fable
@flat shoal as alola expert
still mulch
Drak it's still a human being possesed by a pokémon
velvet fable
Is a pokemon possessing a human being. Pokemon is who controls
still mulch
Pretty sure it happened alot of times and i'm sure all of those times none of them were considered a pokémon
velvet fable
And how much of that times the pokemon shape changed?
still mulch
Calyrex does that with peony to communicate and possesed peony isn't considered a damn pokémon
velvet fable
Because slowbro crown remains the same while possessing ash. Here nihilego have a totally different shape
still mulch
And how much of that times the pokemon shape changed?
That doesn't matter since it will be back to normal once lusamine is taken out of it
It isn't a pokémon since it doesn't even have a battle with it in any game
You can't use it
oak marten
Soul, I guess Drak's point is that this is also kinda a unique Nihilego Form, which I think could be valid
sinful axle
maybe put a mannequin/default looking body in it and call it a general Possession Form of Nihilego
velvet fable
You can't use single egg eggsecute in any game
velvet fable
Is part of a pokemon that got temporally separated of main body
still mulch
That nihilego doesn't separate any of it's parts from the main body of them or lusamine's
velvet fable
But is a nihilego that took a different shape while possessing a victim
still mulch
And how would it look without the victim tho
It would be like a normal damn nihilego
velvet fable
We have a lot of pokemon that are temporal forms
still mulch
But none of them involve a pokémon possessing a human
halcyon hearth
The same thing that makes the Grisious Or important for Origin Giratina. Without it it's not Origin Giratina. Same here
velvet fable
It could be possessing the player
still mulch
How would that even work
halcyon hearth
What does the player look like?
velvet fable
Androginus siluette
still mulch
Do whatever you want i'm out
flat shoal
<@823666951565344828> as alola expert
i've already used showdown's sprite, sorry!
velvet fable
Jostav, scroll
flat shoal
it's a negative pokemon like ??? for the story
velvet fable
Is an alt form of nihilego that have possed the bad woman
civic schooner
Gpx made it a pokemon by having it using a Substitute Doll as the host
flat shoal
i'm using the showdown sprite. and making it unobtainable cause it's weird to catch lillie's mother
is that what the question was?
velvet fable
The question was if it would be a pokemon, as it is a totally different look nihilego
flat shoal
yes, i made it a pokemon cause i think battling it makes for a cool plot point
i already used showdown's sprite though so no need for you to make one (unless for fun!)
velvet fable
You reminded to make it 96x96?
flat shoal
You reminded to make it 96x96?
sure did!
velvet fable
Tbh would be nice to have unlock it as trainer sprite tho
That would be a really hard sprite taking account the size...
Sound damn fun
civic eagle
Yeah forgot how big they are
still mulch
I kind of have a plan to add gen 5+ trainers as avatars
Just waiting on some of the artists permissions
velvet fable
don't see mareep Easter motives
still mulch
don't see mareep Easter motives
Omg is that a rowlet
velvet fable
And a cute chick (don't tell Jeremy I said this)
still mulch
@ jpremy
velvet fable
Tbf sprigatito is cutest... But as Gen 9...
still mulch
I'll sprite the rowlet just for fun
civic schooner
Turtpinch...
unkempt thorn
i think it's looks cool
oak marten
I need it. Now.
foggy locust
Context? That can help us find a place for this lil bean
civic schooner
I assume a little dress up contest of sorts
oak marten
Most likely a contest, given the backdrop yeah
unkempt thorn
i thought i would just drop the pic in here and see what happens. but it's shiny which way would it go trapinch normal or turtwig shiny or something totally different
still mulch
Probably turtwig's
civic schooner
Its a cosplay contest yeah, episode title "All dressed up and somewhere to go". The contest winner got an egg, which was Brock and it was Happiny
velvet fable
And a pansage dressing as emolgs
frank tapir
Other cosplays from the episode:
- electrode as ghastly
- geodude as steelix
- nurse joy as chansey and jenny as growlithe
- turtwig as bonsly
- aipom as bonsly
- staravia as torchic
- pikachu as a bunch of mons (we dont need more pikachu alts)
- Mightyena as suicune
- swalot as grimer
- koffing as togepi
- weepinbell as sunkern
- gyarados as caterpie
- kakuna as crawdaunt
- Doduo as dodrio
- piplup as weedle
- meowth as sunflora
- meowth as weavile
frank tapir
My favorite are Mighticune (but we'll get walking wake sooner or later) and Koffepi (but we already have 3 togepis)
foggy locust
it would probably end up as Koffing (Togepi)
frank tapir
I figured but maybe people wanna shine on some other mons instead of togepi even if it means koffing gets no alt
But Koffepi might be some eastern content
oak marten
Would it be just Poison or Poison/Fairy tho?
velvet fable
Wait... Then there are 2 cosplay episodes
frank tapir
This one is from DP before emolga and pansage
velvet fable
Then yes, there are 2 cosplay events in anime
velvet fable
this one? seems to be fanart idk
Is not fan art found the episode the other day
frank tapir
Is not fan art found the episode the other day
mb then i didnt know you could upload non-oc art on deviantart
foggy locust
velvet fable
mb then i didnt know you could upload non-oc art on deviantart
Ep731
frank tapir
Might be to basic to be an alt buts its really funny
frank tapir
Currently collecting images and cosplay
- pikachu as Bouffalant
- axew as darumaka
- sawk as audino (the best one)
- pansage as emolga (+ femboy cilan)
look it this, its perfect
also pansage
foggy locust
[other than Gyradaterpie]
Are there any alt forms we can find that could reasonably be bug/water type and Gen 1 or gen 2?
flat shoal
how would gyradaterpie be bug/water? wouldn't be in the same vein as hoppip (chimecho) because it's just a costume?
foggy locust
it would be a stretch to put it in the bug catching contest, yes. that's why i say other than
flat shoal
ah bug catching contest, so that's why gen 2
foggy locust
some alt forms (surfachu) have special typing, which would be a great find if we can
flat shoal
well i suck at finding pokemon, but if you want other rewards maybe this can help?
velvet fable
what about bugged squirtle? is a joke
halcyon hearth
Has a Shuckle ever used a Squirtle shell? If so that would work and be really funny
foggy locust
Asking me to add more shuckles to the game
Don't tempt me
velvet fable
Has a Shuckle ever used a Squirtle shell? If so that would work ~~and be really ...
Can't find any, sorry Eugene...
(only a lot shuckle plushie)
frank tapir
not contributing to the water/bug discussion but buff torchic
formal valley
wouldn't be a water type (and its canonicity is extremely debatable) but this is in the anime
that would actually probably fit much better into Pokestar Studios if that gets added
flat shoal
the problem with original non-game creatures is that, for them to be in pokclicker, they need a valid id, which means they'd need to be an alt form of an already existing pokemon
velvet fable
And stats and a lot of things...
velvet fable
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
frank tapir
its probably a bug, it has an id, it has a design
formal valley
diglett alt that's bug type?
lucid surge
And stats and a lot of things...
We can make them shitty. 
formal valley
the wrong coloured Weedle from the anime?
frank tapir
diglett alt that's bug type?
this mon is literally the incarnation of this meme
baby celesteela could work as a mon imo - tie it with a cute quest about kaguya hime
formal valley
I think the pokemon pocket monsters manga was made witout any reference material other than the games so the early gen 1 stuff was really off model
velvet fable
baby celesteela could work as a mon imo - tie it with a cute quest about kaguya ...
Is Gen 7though
frank tapir
Is Gen 7though
Its also not bug so not usuable for the bug contest anyway - or is there a rule against gen7 alts?
velvet fable
Nah, just though you were suggesting for Eugene question
frank tapir
No, sorry
flat shoal
baby celesteela could work as a mon imo - tie it with a cute quest about kaguya ...
oh now that's cute
frank tapir
these pinsir and heracross that are in love with each other and decorated with flowers might be a bit too similar to the original ones
https://youtu.be/oQLQpCveKMs?t=62 but this one could work
formal valley
Scizor's alt colour from Pokken is blue
flat shoal
that looks so sleek
halcyon hearth
That would be wanted for the pokken subregion, were it to ever happen, though, right?
oak marten
Dark Mewtwo tho?
frank tapir
shadow mewtwo
flat shoal
how many alts does pokken have?
formal valley
one for each mon in the game
plus the mons that have megas get recoloured too
so mewtwo would have 6 new forms if all of them were added
flat shoal
huh that does sound like we should leave them all for a subregion then
aw man. and that scizor is so cool too :/
formal valley
formal valley
aw man. and that scizor is so cool too :/
it's probably my favourite recolour in Pokken
a lot of them are red so Scizor really stands out
halcyon hearth
How many playable Pokémon are in Pokken, including and not including megas?
sinful axle
Well looking at Pokémon that are already Water/Bug
Only thing I can see for Surskit is that the PMD manga is the only time it gives it a mouth, when it’s just not supposed to have one (But probably not that big of a change)
Dewpider without their bubbles (though only because they are already underwater)
Similarly Underwater Araquanid without its bubble
Nothing I can see for Wimpod or Golissopod
oak marten
How many playable Pokémon are in Pokken, including and not including megas?
21
But two are similar
velvet fable
Well looking at Pokémon that are already Water/Bug
Only thing I can see for Sur...
Gen 1 or 2 is the problem
oak marten
Mewtwo/Shadow Mewtwo and Pikachu/Pikachu Libre
sinful axle
Ah
oak marten
Pokemon that have Mega Evolutions can Mega Evolve in Pokken aswell
Since it's like a limit break mechanic that all mons have, those with Mega Evo just change their looks more during it.
halcyon hearth
Hmm. That's a good number of alts, but also not too much. And lots of variety in species. Seems like it could make a good subregion in that aspect, I think
formal valley
How many playable Pokémon are in Pokken, including and not including megas?
there are 23 playable fighters (2, Pikachu Libre & Shadow Mewtwo, being alts of existing ones) and 11 mega evolve (including Shadow MewTwo)
oak marten
Oh the number I had didn't count Shadow and Libre separately.
velvet fable
there are 23 playable fighters (2, Pikachu Libre & Shadow Mewtwo, being alts of ...
Is Pikachu libre as cosplay one?
oak marten
Though it should be notes, that Mewtwo and Charizard only Evolve into the X version
oak marten
I mean, yeah
formal valley
some of the other synergy burst forms are debatable different enough to be alts too but they're not super interesting IMO
Weavile gets icy and Machamp gets red
oak marten
Red Machemp could be like the Shiny for the alt color
But Icy could be a new form I guess
formal valley
it's strange to me that those are the only ones that change
oak marten
Yeah. But Drakrei does look a bit different at least
formal valley
is it just the hands or am I missing something else?
oak marten
So does aegislash, which gets more golden
oak marten
is it just the hands or am I missing something else?
The cloak looks longer to me
formal valley
So does aegislash, which gets more golden
I do see that now (on the image on Serebii) but I'd never noticed it before
sinful axle
Mecha Spinarak, Different back pattern Spinarak, this is just something funny on the ariados page, Dark Ariados in the TCG (but not sure if it’s different enough),
Ledyba has an Anime Error where it has a black head, and apparently a beta design from a cutscene concept for GS, then finally Delta and Light Ledian from the tcg
velvet fable
Macha and costumes aren't pokemons. And dark tcg should have a global decision. Same with anime mistakes
halcyon hearth
Violet Paradoxs would like a word with you 😛
sinful axle
Well the mecha isn’t sentient it’s controlled by team rocket-
formal valley
the lore of most of them say they're partially biological
formal valley
found a weedle chilling on a leaf
velvet fable
Happy weedle... But that's hard to be seen as an alt
formal valley
yeah, it's similar to Surfboard Pikachu but I don't really like alts being the pokemon with an item
oak marten
Surfing Pikachu also is pretty different to... Weedle with Leaf
lucid surge
Surfing Weedle. 
formal valley
the only pokemon in this image not in the water is the bug type one ):
it's flying rather than water type but the old Sugimori art Venomoth has different wings
foggy locust
per Crobat, i'm just gonna let flying mons go over water
but if some of these are nice to add, we could always find a way to add em to the BCC
frank tapir
it's flying rather than water type but the old Sugimori art Venomoth has differe...
when talking about different pattern we have arbok
basicly deoxys before deoxys
velvet fable
Dapper already suggested it themselves
foggy locust
an oft-rejected idea sadly
frank tapir
I see, sorry to bring that up again
foggy locust
there's a lot of those
velvet fable
We need a negative list
frank tapir
I assume pokemon tower ghost as ghastly alt was suggested a million times before
halcyon hearth
I can't recall it ever being discussed
frank tapir
obviously there is the iconic gen1 design but also FRLG, LGPE and anime (origins) or anime (banette)
foggy locust
Haunter (Xtra Spooky)
flat shoal
the arbok were rejected as regular sprite differences depending on a clicker region. if they can serve a purpose in a contest i don't see why we can't use them?
formal valley
wouldn't work for the BCC because it's not bug
frank tapir
the arbok were rejected as regular sprite differences depending on a clicker reg...
well those arboks arent regional based but a special ability arboks have in the pokemon manga. Agathas arbok had these 3 patterns (+ the regular one) and kogas arbok had a 4th one which isnt shown on bulbapedia
formal valley
I thought Koga's 4th one is just the regular anime one
flat shoal
well those arboks arent regional based but a special ability arboks have in the ...
oh neat, didn't know that!
oak marten
I assume pokemon tower ghost as ghastly alt was suggested a million times before
Don't you mean a Marowak alt.? :^)
frank tapir
oh neat, didn't know that!
Kogas pattern is the regenerative pattern and the infamous "arbok cut in half" one
oak marten
Love their Let's go Concept Art btw
frank tapir
It can regenerate everything as long as its head is intact
flat shoal
wouldn't work for the BCC because it's not bug
i think the bug catching contest can have rewards that aren't bugs, if it's something you exchange for points. rewards can be anything, right?
unless this is about pokemon that can be caught during it? idk
haven't been paying attention lol
frank tapir
Don't you mean a Marowak alt.? :^)
Well yeah the ghost in LGPE is specifically Marowak but I like alts for mons that dont have alts already (alolan marowak)
oak marten
Well yeah the ghost in LGPE is specifically Marowak but I like alts for mons tha...
Pretty sure it is a Marowak in other versions of R/G/B aswell
velvet fable
unless this is about pokemon that can be caught during it? idk
If it is as in games is part of it that you can only catch some pokes there
flat shoal
Love their Let's go Concept Art btw
oh wow its ears are like haunter i never noticed that before
halcyon hearth
Don't all the ghosts show up as Ghost until you have the Silph scope?
frank tapir
I thought Koga's 4th one is just the regular anime one
seems right, bulbapedia kinda makes it sound like its different but as you can see here its not
frank tapir
Don't all the ghosts show up as Ghost until you have the Silph scope?
In RGY and FRLG yeah, in LGPE i dont think you can enter the tower before you get the silph scope
foggy locust
i think the bug catching contest can have rewards that aren't bugs, if it's some...
yeah right now BCC has a purchasable rewardmon in a shop, but i wouldn't be opposed to adding more bugs as area-exclusive ones down the line
frank tapir
Sorry to bring it up againt but what about pretty pinsir?
foggy locust
so here's my thoughts on that
We need to save some mons for Jostav's contests that will use pokeblocks and whatnot. that's probably an excellent candidate
could be a shop reward, or could be a one-time reward that (after getting) goes in the BCC
formal valley
could golden Diglett from Stadium be another BCC shop reward? I think it's the only other golden Pokémon out there (other than BREAK from the TCG)
foggy locust
Sudowoodo is very tied into the national park since it's right there in the original game, diglett is a little less directly related. but there may be another good application for golden diglett
formal valley
that makes sense
velvet fable
That image is disturbing
formal valley
I don't think they spent very long making the whack-a-mole minigame in Stadium
velvet fable
Here you have a use for golden diglet, convince Eugene to make wake a mole mini game for game corner
sinful axle
i actually wanted to give the idea of a stadium sub region-
basically introducing different battle frontier spots making different rules for each one, and each able to give there own rewards, but maybe the draw back is there's not as many rewards as the main frontier, though introduces stadium/stadium 2 exclusive stuff-
velvet fable
i actually wanted to give the idea of a stadium sub region-
basically introduci...
Isn't a thread about it? Isn't a thread made by dapper?
sinful axle
i didn't see that yet-
velvet fable
Look if archived or old
foggy locust
if someone wants to make minigames (like picross) there has been wide enthusiasm for such a feature
Shit's just hard to make
velvet fable
Good news! Jess is doing picross
foggy locust
jess does program good, so that is great news
velvet fable
Yeah, her versión is already functional
formal valley
Isn't a thread about it? Isn't a thread made by dapper?
there was a thread for a Pokken & Unite subregion but I never made one for Stadium
velvet fable
Oh confused them
formal valley
I probably have talked about a Stadium one at some point too, just not much
frank tapir
could golden Diglett from Stadium be another BCC shop reward? I think it's the ...
also golden kakuna and golden metapod (not in the screenshot)
but they're also just using harden
sinful axle
giant caterpie and butterfree (and apparently there's also Metapod, just no image)
formal valley
I'm pretty sure giant pokemon have been rejected 50 times by now
sinful axle
fair then
formal valley
there's just no way to make their sprites interesting
formal valley
I think the biggest pokemon I've seen is the Torterras in the Detective Pikachu movie
sinful axle
formal valley
baseball
sinful axle
formal valley
also golden kakuna and golden metapod (not in the screenshot)
but they're also j...
I think these are interesting but forms that only exist when doping a move have been rejected before (Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem overdrive forms)
formal valley
is this another cosplay mon?
lucid surge
jess does program good, so that is great news
Picross next update, then ?
halcyon hearth
Kakuna is gen 1
At least, I'm pretty sure it's Kakuna that's the actual mon there?
oak marten
But Krebutak is Gen 3 so that be a bit odd
oak marten
More like Crawdon't at that point
sinful axle
sinful axle
bulbapedia and just checking each pokemon's "artwork on bulbapedia archives"
formal valley
I looked through all the gen 1 & 2 bug types but I didn't find much
sinful axle
isn't that just some guy
no it is a pokemon, nicknamed the red lightning
flat shoal
oh cool
sinful axle
can't find anything else from mons that are already bug type from gen 1-2
unless we can just
allow later gen mons to be put in once you unlock said region-
but idk
velvet fable
isn't that just some guy
Is a scizor
fickle scaffold
if someone wants to make minigames (like picross) there has been wide enthusiasm...
late to respond to this message and sorry I can’t code so all I can do is make a suggestion, buuuuuut… 👀 I’m sure everyone would love voltorb flip if someone decides to do it
formal valley
late to respond to this message and sorry I can’t code so all I can do is make a...
8th currency is gambling dollars
velvet fable
unless we can just
allow later gen mons to be put in once you unlock said region...
Long ago you used to be able to have unown and rotom at Kanto. Was changed so they only can get them at their proper region or later
flat shoal
late to respond to this message and sorry I can’t code so all I can do is make a...
you mean if someone can do it. coding hard
fickle scaffold
that too
formal valley
are there other game corner games?
flat shoal
only the old gambling ones. mauville had roulette and something else, veilstone had slots, and idk what older gens had
fickle scaffold
mauville’s other game was slots too, and older gens also had slots too. Crystal had a weird card flip one in addition to its slots
formal valley
I feel like slots would be easier to code than voltorb flip at least
velvet fable
mauville’s other game was slots too, and older gens also had slots too. Crystal ...
Gave more coins that slots
formal valley
there was also a roulette wheel in the gen 3 Hoenn games and 2 minigames appear in Game Corners in FR/LG & Emerald
civic eagle
Ok so question with Unown from Poekmon 3 the Movie this wouldn't count out a alt form as it mostly just a ton of the same pokemon right
oak marten
Probably not, but who knows
foggy locust
there's a sprite for it floating around, but probably not
i think best odds we have for new unowns are those weird movie unown letters, and a questline
last stirrup
Ok so question with Unown from Poekmon 3 the Movie this wouldn't count out a alt...
I could see it as a unkown swarm, being reverse of the single egg exxeggcute
halcyon hearth
Anyone know of any alt forms where either the Pokémon or the specific alt is linked to the moon? (Especially if it's a specific moon phase)
marble pier
well there's ursulana in legend arceus
last stirrup
not sure if there is an alt form of oddish, but could have one centered around moonlight so the full moon side of the cycle
marble pier
it's not a new form, but what about only being able to transform lunala (full moon) during a full moon?
flat shoal
bad idea lol
last stirrup
can only really think of moon pokemon that are full moon related and darkari new moon
flat shoal
there might be some dex entries, but yeah very few obvious mons
fickle scaffold
ugly-faced clefairy from the pokemon pocket monsters manga? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Red's_Clefairy
it itself is not moon related but the species clefairy is, at least
