💡 Revise the guidelines to building to include modelling in studio, I model a lot of my assets fr...

[fiery peak]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[hollow sedge]

The core of building is in Roblox studio

Not in blender

Blender counts as modeling doesn’t it

[lime flicker]

but I'll admit it takes more skill to use blender than to build is studio

they're so many tools in blender compared to studio that comparing a blender model to a studio model wouldnt be fair unless the studio model is incredibly complex

[tough aurora]

FAX

[brittle mica]

Learn blender then and move on. Modeling is not that hard but its a skillset. Roblox modeling is purely snap and set my 7 year old can do it.

As for building. It takes theory of level design to rank up

[lime flicker]

Remember you said this

I'll show you modelling in studio deserves some recognition

[odd willow]

100% agree, 80% of ‘builders’ claim they build except the entire idea is to build INSIDE roblox studios and not create everything in blender and just put the puzzle pieces together in studios.
building is doing things with blocks and tools INSIDE the studio, not a 3d model

[odd willow]

[sonic lake]

I’ve seen plenty of builds look amazing just in Roblox studio

It’s the same concept as learning scripting to make your Ui better

Learning modeling will make your building better

Learning sfx may help your vfx feel better

Animating and vfx can work together as well

GFX and clothing are both some type of graphic design

[brittle mica]

Builder roles are based on showing in roblox

You get models and meshs from other things and import it to roblox

Or are you using parts for everything

Because at that point you are texturing not building

[odd willow]

I do on most of my builds apart from foliage

🤷‍♀️

[lime flicker]

But I don't use blender

[odd willow]

neither do i 🙏

[lime flicker]

I 100% agree

Cuz you can't tell me I can't get b3 when I built an entire car in studio using constraints for example

[odd willow]

🤷‍♀️

its just weird its called building and u put all ur blender assets in the studio and thats it

[lime flicker]

Some do actually build maps/buildings and related just using studio but that's as far as they let it

[lime flicker]

(99th time I'm using this example) but you can't call this texturing

[odd willow]

yeah idk in my opinion a builder is BUILDING INSIDE studios

and not bringing models and saying the did it in studios

thats just modelling and showcasing it

[lime flicker]

In their defense, as @brittle mica said here#1367009628654932018 message it does still take understanding of level design to make it good, the layout is important blender or not, but restricting it to that is just not fair for people like us

[odd willow]

ahh right right

but yeah last part defo

i understand though

[lime flicker]

So that's why you either expand the guidelines or make a studio engineer role for complex builds using constraints and studio only modelling

[odd willow]

yeah i agree that’s a good idea

[lime flicker]

The new role wld be less ideal

[odd willow]

i feel like people who build a lot in studios arent seen enough

not just speaking for myself

but many other builders

who genuinely place brick by brick

[lime flicker]

Just to be told 'b0' lmao

[odd willow]

literally

and get made fun of

when everyone started somewhere

[lime flicker]

I just ignore those kind of people, I cldnt care less about them, I just aim for the change that's needed

[odd willow]

nah idc either but everyone is different and a comment such as making fun of their build can just cut their motivation

[lime flicker]

Yeah I agree on that part, I applied for B2 with some weapon models I made, I agree it may not look impressive cuz of my modelling style but the first ticket opened and b0 and I kinda took that personally

Cuz I genuinely spent a lot of time making the style look good

Like A LOT of time

[brittle mica]

Shaping and coloring and honestly does not look great.

Apart from this everything you aplnare saying will cause bad performance vs using a proper model

this post must be troll

[lime flicker]

That's my old work 😀

[brittle mica]

Here's some of my work

[lime flicker]

In studio?

[brittle mica]

No built on Maya taken to zbrush then imported to roblox

[lime flicker]

I'm talking about built in studio

[brittle mica]

Rug / small statues under 4k trist. Bigger stature 9,999 trist

[brittle mica]

Yeah the point is building is a level of work and skills between game dev and mastery level

[lime flicker]

Impressive work but again I'm talking about in studio things

[brittle mica]

Not (I can weld parts that make my level run like shit)

[lime flicker]

???

[brittle mica]

I can toss literally millions of my small statues in a level with a sub 5% performance diffrence

Take a bunch of parts that are welded and tru to run 100

[lime flicker]

This was my most recent and it's even unfinished

Tell me anyone can get this straight away

[brittle mica]

Yeah all I see is memory overhead and overdraw

[lime flicker]

What?

Over what?

[brittle mica]

Overhead?

[lime flicker]

Idk what that is mb

[brittle mica]

Your loading all those extra part faces

For your overlaps

Even if they can't be seen they take draw counts and memory

That's exactly why you model it so you can get rid of those faces.

Its a game dev discord not a art discord

[lime flicker]

I see what you're saying

[brittle mica]

Game performance > the rest

[lime flicker]

I get it now but how about these

[brittle mica]

Same issue

Im not saying its not cool

Im saying it costs extra performance

You could make tbe same stuff on blender and have literally 20% of the cost

[lime flicker]

So would I just export it and decimate for example and reimport

[brittle mica]

No you would need to get rid of faces, get better topology and then you could uv map / pack it

Letting you not only get more performance but get much less memory usage overall

That simple point is what makes a builder b3 or b2 or b4

[lime flicker]

So I should just stick to blender cuz I have better control over my models

So I can reduce the faces

[brittle mica]

Better control / better end performance more so when you uv pack

As you could use 1 texture for 10 models

[odd willow]

^^

[brittle mica]

Now you saved 90% memory

[lime flicker]

No no he acc has a very good point

I do computer science too and honestly should have seen this first

[brittle mica]

I mean think of it this way

Spend 4x more resources for less quality

[lime flicker]

In blender I can still keep the same style whilst making my game run much better

[brittle mica]

And increase tpt (time per task)

Do 4x less work reduce tpt and increase visual fidelity and yet 4 x more performance

[lime flicker]

I got it

[brittle mica]

Yeah

[lime flicker]

So I should remodel completely?

[brittle mica]

Depends do you use any modeling plugins?

[lime flicker]

No not really

[brittle mica]

One you will want to look into is zen uv

Ignore the retop stuff just do by hand

[lime flicker]

It would be amazing if I could model in studio then import to blender, cut down faces and reimport

[brittle mica]

Its just an obj or fbx

[lime flicker]

Mk then, I'm almost home so I'll look into it

[brittle mica]

So you can

But kt would be a pain

[lime flicker]

Sweet

[brittle mica]

I'd look for a plugin that can cull or trim negative faces

Then retop and do uv

[lime flicker]

Like tbh I was previously a modeler but blenders controls felt overcomplicated

[brittle mica]

Spend a week with blender 2-3 hours a day of focused tutorials

Don't think just do them and follow

After a week the controls will feel natural

[lime flicker]

Mk

I'll still keep my voxl style

Man thanks for the advice

[brittle mica]

So if you keep voxel style deff look onto zen uv

It'll help allot with uv and orginaizing the uvs for repacking

[lime flicker]

I'm about to get M3 🗣️🔥

@odd willow you should probably do the same

[brittle mica]

https://superhivemarket.com/products/zen-uv

This one

[odd willow]

Im good thanks

Ill stick to my building in studio

[brittle mica]

So theirs nothing wrong with that but no one is going to commision you. The more time you put in you may wanna do commisions but your going to get ripped a new one doing what your doing and once your reputation is fucked it gets hard

[lime flicker]

Btw what's a uv

[odd willow]

No one?

[brittle mica]

Only kids for 3-5k robux at a time

We pay our builders between 50-400k robux per map

[odd willow]

I think you’re basing that off stereotypes and stories from other people

[brittle mica]

I run a studio with over 200 workers.

[lime flicker]

I haven't seen more than 500 in my balance lmao

[brittle mica]

[odd willow]

I’ve been working with the same guy for almost a year now who commissions me practically every month and get quite a lot, also got a lot of good commissions in the past so i wouldnt appreciate being said i DONT get commissions because believe it or not people are searching for builders like me 🤷‍♀️

[brittle mica]

Okay how much do you earn from the 1 guy a month?

[odd willow]

Wouldnt you like to know weather boy 😹

[brittle mica]

And safe to assume he's on hidden dev or rsc

[brittle mica]

Not*

[odd willow]

Also i couldnt really give a shit about money, i get joy out of it so idgaf

Im just not into modelling, period

[brittle mica]

Im asking so I can give you info on pay diffrences if you expended your portfolio and skillset

[odd willow]

No need to convince me or push down my motivation with saying i wont get commissions, thats extremely rude honestly and a lot of people enjoy studio-built things such as roleplay communities

[odd willow]

I dont need it

I couldnt care about pay honestly

Its my hobby and i enjoy it

[brittle mica]

I dont care if I'm rude. I want people to succeed and do well.

More so if they are serious.

If your not cool.

I feel bad for the dude paying you who is serious though

[odd willow]

How so?

If he wouldnt be happy with my models he wouldnt be asking for them…

[brittle mica]

Invite him to rsc

[odd willow]

For what?

Lmao

Cant leave people alone these days

[brittle mica]

See? I guarantee he does not know his options.

And your not going to tell him or help him. Cut your check and go

Fucked.

[odd willow]

I dont care, i get to choose how much i price my builds

He’ll pay me whatever

[brittle mica]

Hi I'm not going to improve and do the minimum and basically scam people who dont know better

[odd willow]

I dont understand your problem anyways, if he and i are happy whats the point of making an issue out of it, just because pay isnt up to your standards?

[brittle mica]

Very nice

[odd willow]

How am i scamming them lmao

I dont price them extremely high

Im laidback 🤷‍♀️

I dont really need the robux anyway

[brittle mica]

🤣 easy to be laid back when you give the worst work in contrast to anyone else who does building not even level design just direct building

[odd willow]

worst work?

Where did that assumption come from

[brittle mica]

don't care about the money but won't help the guy out

[brittle mica]

Your doing pure parts

[odd willow]

When did i say i dont help him out lmao

[brittle mica]

What is optimization?

[odd willow]

Which he wants…

He hired me for a reason

I build purely in studios and he WANTS a build corresponding to it with parts

Not a 3d model

Fun fact studio built games are very much alive

[brittle mica]

See you just fucked up not knowing what your talking about

[odd willow]

Such as pacifico or greenville

[brittle mica]

Part is a 3d model

And meshs are more optimized

[odd willow]

I dont care man why do you care so much 😭 🙏

Literally not interested in modelling and i get commissions, thanks!!

[brittle mica]

I hate people who put 0 effort and literally fuck others dreams and aspirations over

0 respect for people like you

[odd willow]

and when did i say i make no effort?

you’re pulling assumptions out of your ass

[brittle mica]

No you said it yourself

[odd willow]

where..

[brittle mica]

Bring your buddy in and let's see if he keeps paying you

[odd willow]

i said i dont care about robux but i do my job well

[lime flicker]

Can I ask, since I plan to build mechs, I'm gonna use a slot of constraints on them, would that pose a massive performance issue

[brittle mica]

Just add a rig

Sky has a good video on rigging and weight painting

[odd willow]

its been a YEAR and i just finished a commission yesterday. wtf is ur point supposed to be

that he doesnt like them?

[lime flicker]

No like I'm using a rig for the main movement, for the hydraulics I'm gonna use stuff like prismatic constraints and hinges allat

[brittle mica]

https://youtu.be/O1vhlTGP1-o?si=LGUhjMFME2K3vGfh

[lime flicker]

The rigging transfers over to studio?

[brittle mica]

Ah you can rig those and just animate it.

[brittle mica]

Yes.

[lime flicker]

Rig the hydraulics? 💔💔

[brittle mica]

Its just an animation

Play: stopplay:

[lime flicker]

Not really

Like let me be more

[brittle mica]

Yes really

[lime flicker]

Specific

[brittle mica]

Animation + cframe

[lime flicker]

The rig moves the hydraulics

[brittle mica]

Yes

[lime flicker]

The hydraulics use constraints

[brittle mica]

You script the rigs movement

X movement = y movement

[lime flicker]

Like using ik?

[brittle mica]

You can that's one option

[lime flicker]

Wait let me find the vid

[brittle mica]

Theirs lots of options but its all done on tbe animation side

How you play those animation is just animation play times

For example let's say you have a hydrolic on tbe back of the leg

[lime flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790817830064619540/1224703739924058184/VoxMachina_-_Roblox_Studio_2024-04-02_13-53-54.mp4?ex=68136f3d&is=68121dbd&hm=17083fe6a8796bdcc61f65a56d0e7c0f8e7243a4422c7e7d2e66397f9b4087a4&

[brittle mica]

I assume you want it to do x motion when its moving

[lime flicker]

Of I can just do that???

[brittle mica]

Yes man...

That's basic animation

But you get better control

You re potion the model and grab key frames for animation

[lime flicker]

😀 so no need for painstakingly making constraints

[brittle mica]

Correct.

Sky has a good video on animating too

[lime flicker]

What ABT when the mechs ragdoll

[brittle mica]

https://youtu.be/06_puGmTIko?si=p82x8ujC5BpTRlZ0

[brittle mica]

Just get a ragdoll script

Theirs plenty

[lime flicker]

I thought I had to make ball and socket constraints at leat

Man there's so much I'm learning today

[brittle mica]

Welcome to the real reason for rsc

Just don't become mia

[lime flicker]

Def won't

I'm gonna start modelling

Once I'm done w my finals

[brittle mica]

As long as you put in effort and focuse on building your skill set you will do well over time.

I highly suggest watching videos on level dressing and level design as well

These are the true concepts building is supposed to have but roblox kids dont get it

[lime flicker]

I'm not planning to build maps DW, I alr have a guy for that, but I'll get him on blender

[brittle mica]

Yeah but still good to know

Level design is more about concept and understanding

Dressing is put this here etc.

[odd willow]

boo hoo god forbid someone has a different building style and dont have an ego the size of the atlantic ocean

[lime flicker]

Oh you meant the user Mia

[brittle mica]

Diffrent? Unpptimozed, none expandable, expensive in terms of memory usage, hard to update and lacking modular support or reusability outside pure copy paste.

[lime flicker]

Not missing in action

Dam am dum

[odd willow]

LMAOO

[odd willow]

do u think i could care less about memory usage

copy and paste depends on builds

[brittle mica]

Exactly that's why I hope dude finds a discord like rsc and drops you.

[odd willow]

aww

my feelings are hurt

💔

[brittle mica]

Of course they wouldn't be most scammers dont care

[odd willow]

do you have any evidence to backup that claim?

[brittle mica]

Yes the logs above

[odd willow]

please show me 🙏 i would love to see how im scamming him

[brittle mica]

How did you get b2?

When did you get ranked?

[odd willow]

lmao

how is that relevant

[brittle mica]

Because I'm doubting authenticity of your rank

[odd willow]

youre switching the subject because you have no proof im scamming him

[odd willow]

how so lmao

[brittle mica]

You have shown a serious lack of understanding that I know is base requirment for b2

[odd willow]

ur just pissed i have a different style

pipe down jeez

not everyone builds like you

[brittle mica]

No proof?

Your giving him low quality builds and keeping him away from everything else

[brittle mica]

Your right but theirs standards

[odd willow]

and how do u know they’re low quality exactly…?

pls

proof

i beg

[brittle mica]

Post something then

[odd willow]

where?

[brittle mica]

Or I can dig around your old media posts

Your choice.

I mean your portfolio is not b2 level

Its barely b1

And the requirment for b2 is the ability to consistently do b2 level work

[odd willow]

stalker type shit

ew

[brittle mica]

Fuckinf all parts so shit performance and huge memory thumbprint

Baiting people off look and refuses to increase expertise

But the building is b1 level

[odd willow]

awww

[lone swallow]

** You are now Level 10! **

[brittle mica]

Did you get ranked off old system?

[odd willow]

im sorry it isnt up to your standards

oh forgive me lord please 🙏

[brittle mica]

Oh this is no longer about my standards

[odd willow]

he literally said he likes it

tf 😭

whats ur problem

[brittle mica]

Does not know the difference of a part and a mesh and thinks meshes are 3d models and parts are not?

This is the basics of building

[odd willow]

ive been building since like 2019 i havent updated my damn language

jesus

[brittle mica]

No lighting correction or actual levels just buildings being claimed as full builds

[odd willow]

its a fucking model for the guy to add to his game

[brittle mica]

So show a build

[odd willow]

what rhe hell is your problem

[brittle mica]

Show your "quality"

[odd willow]

no you genuinely make me uncomfortable

like why are you so aggressive

i dont need to prove my worth

im happt with how i build and get lots of comments on how some things look good

you’re just pissed im not like you

leave me alone jesus

[brittle mica]

Look at my texture i took from somewhere else. It looks so good

[odd willow]

why are you so mad i dont get it

i already said leave me alone

[brittle mica]

Your the one responding in a public room

[odd willow]

because im defending myself???

its not like i have a choice do i

[brittle mica]

You shouldent need to, your reputation is out. Enjoy that 800 robux

Made my point

[odd willow]

get some english classes 🙏

[brittle mica]

Sorry, I assumed you where from a different country and just a call center scammer.

As it stands currently. I feel bad for the dude who thinks he is getting quality work. He is paying for textures and reused parts. From someone who has the want of doing nothing.

Good for you my friend. I hope you have a wonderful day and take more from people chasing their dreams as you do below the bare minimum.

[odd willow]

reused parts

where

?

[brittle mica]

Show your texture drafts or inverts

[odd willow]

wtf is that 😭 ☠️

i use roblox studio materials gng

[languid zephyr]

Hi

Who's OP?

@odd willow After review of your work, its clear you dont meet the Theory & Practical requirements for b2

[odd willow]

i just opened a ticket god damn

[languid zephyr]

Hm?

[odd willow]

of one work?

[languid zephyr]

https://miasbuilds.straw.page

[odd willow]

oh yaah

[languid zephyr]

every photo here is b1

[odd willow]

when i applied i got called b2

[languid zephyr]

How new is this?

[odd willow]

its pretty old

[lime flicker]

Why have I been summoned

[languid zephyr]

i asked who made this

dw

[odd willow]

#1367182872913510480

[languid zephyr]

Ticket contents? i dont have access

[lime flicker]

Mk, bye bye bonnie

[odd willow]

oh?

[languid zephyr]

bye bye

[odd willow]

how come

[languid zephyr]

not all staff has access to every ticket

[odd willow]

oh i see

my bad

[languid zephyr]

for example, staff questions, appeals, reports

[odd willow]

nah just this guy kept on coming at me for being a builder who isnt interested in modelling

accusing me of having low quality builds and getting no commissions

[languid zephyr]

It is beneficial though not mandatory

[odd willow]

as well as being a scammer..?

[languid zephyr]

That is an accusation

[odd willow]

which he has no proof lmao

[odd willow]

thats what im saying

he kept on pulling out accusations

and i genuinely didnt appreciate it

i enjoy building and dont need an excessive amount of robux, nor have i EVER scammed someone.

[languid zephyr]

While a statement is being made, it is important to try and take in what is being said, even if negatively presented, criticism can be supportive in the long run, and i do share similar ideals in the sense that you probably wont get far with comms if you dont learn and extend further than roblox building.

[languid zephyr]

Nobody does comms for robux.

😭

even if they do, its for devex

[odd willow]

i DONT care about how much robux i get

i enjoy building

period

never have i scammed someone, i think its morally wrong

[languid zephyr]

I dont know where the conversation of scamming is relevant but it is inadmissible and not required to the plot of this conversation

[odd willow]

thankyou

i dont know where he got scamming crom

because i never said i did something like that

[languid zephyr]

My intervening is solely based on your work - and the quality we upkeepo

[odd willow]

genuinely as much as i dont need robux i will always try my best to give the best commission

[odd willow]

i dont rlly care if my quality is up to standard

i just wont tolerate this unnecessary hate

[worn bison]

hi

[languid zephyr]

Hi

LOL

[brittle mica]

🤣 out from the left.

[languid zephyr]

hes on screenshare rn

😭

[brittle mica]

Second monitor

[languid zephyr]

I think immortal's main point relating the "Scamming" is simply more of a projection in the sense that newer developers will demand higher quality for work and it no longer becomes a battle for prosperity and passion but more about who makes the most monetizable work, its important to have passion of course, but without alterior drive its hard to imagine it being fun for much longer (note from someone who's built a lot longer, it stops being fun.)

i metapointed, to refer to my first statement, the scamming isnt directly "Scamming" but more deceiving quality

[brittle mica]

That's a nice way of putting it, I was going more for the push of the guy who's paying him does not know any better.

But he should

[odd willow]

no but i dont think its necessary to come at someone for having a different mindset/style

[languid zephyr]

Fair point though its important to keep an open mind and not disclose anything simply because they "came across incorrectly'

al qaeda gave off a pretty big message

[odd willow]

i aint disclosing it, buddy just wasnt listening to the fact i just do it differently and tried to convince me im all in the wrong for what i do

i just like sticking to the old roblox development 🤷‍♀️

[languid zephyr]

While different is different, for commissions its less about "What you do". it stops being about "Doing what you like"

[brittle mica]

big fair >.>

[odd willow]

if the person likes the build i dont see the problem

like genuinely

if they’re happy then so be it 🤷 theyre the one asking for it, they hired me for a reason

[languid zephyr]

I get what you mean, though its like if you went to a pawn shop and said "Hey i foudn this rock, whats it worth" and they were like "Oh, like $40" but they were happy to get $40, but it turns out that rock is actually $400? or the other way around.

This is an unbiased statement simply revelated from the nature of this conversation respoken

[odd willow]

yeah and i understand that but the issue is EVERYONE is different and dont need to follow the same ideas

but aight then

[languid zephyr]

For commissions its a bit different though i understand how you fail to view it that way

[odd willow]

i just am not interested in getting paid big amounts in robux and thats how i am

[languid zephyr]

is OP

[odd willow]

im not gonna get fucking hated for having my own opinion

[languid zephyr]

OP's question answered*

[languid zephyr]

Attempt to regulate, i am not arguing with you

[odd willow]

right

thanks anyway

[languid zephyr]

@lime flicker was your question conclusive?

[lime flicker]

Hm?

If you're asking about the building role expansion then yeah @brittle mica helped me understand why it is the way it is

So yes

[languid zephyr]

awesome

[paper barn]

by definition anything built in studio with parts goes under builder role

if your not getting accepted it's just not good enough

there's only so far you can get when you try to emulate modeling with parts

[sonic lake]

Same with UI, you can only go so far until you need to learn to make the UI work

[hollow sedge]

building IS LITERRALY STUFF MADE IN STUDIO. anything made in blender is not building, its modeling

[hollow tapir]

The only way that I could imagine that external assets are helpful for higher builder ranks is if you're making materials in blender/substance designer to apply to your builds.

And also as others have said, level design is important for builder ranks. I don't think it matters if you can build a 10k part fnaf animatronic when its just time consuming, not actual skill 😭

[lime flicker]

build a 10k part, ultra detailed fnaf animatronic

and we'll talk

(I've alr understood and I agree nothing needs to change and I'm just a bad builder, even for b1)

[sonic lake]

tbf you can model in studio lol

just union parts together and u can export it as OBJ and edit it in blender 💀