How would I link a roblox game to an external database?

[soft crow]

I want to do something similar to rivals where queues are ran through a 3rd party which stores all of the data. I just need some advice on a couple of things.

1. How would I send/recieve data? (I know its js http service)
2. How would I use sent data from the roblox game to the database and organize it there?
3. How would i request data from that database?
4. Do I need to know another programming language to make the database work?
5. What database should I use? This will be used for a global matchmaking system where data will be constantly changing and being sent.

[jovial pier]

Keep in mind good database solutions will cost $ for a license, and you will need to write an api layer to organize your data. Do you want a managed database that does all of this for you?

The DataStore is a very nice solution, it makes it very easy without exposing you to the messiness

[steel veldt]

self host one

the once it works

you can upload it

[jovial pier]

Many solutions also offer free tiers for low processing

Which imo is a better testing environment

[soft crow]

well idk what to use

i have been looking around and i have no idea how to even start

[jovial pier]

I love mongodb but it can get a little pricey

[soft crow]

there are no forums on this stuff

[jovial pier]

A lot of ppl use fire base as a service

So they don't need to do much management

[soft crow]

do you need knowledge of another programming language?

[jovial pier]

I would say you should yeah

[soft crow]

sheet

uhh

[jovial pier]

You don't rly need to know a lot though

With your understanding you can learn C# or python or JavaScript or whatever

Enough to do basic stuff

[soft crow]

which would u reccomend for someone who is broke af

[soft crow]

how would i self host one

where would i go to do smhtn like this

[steel veldt]

you run on your pc

[soft crow]

and can it hold alot of data?

[steel veldt]

and use local host

you just need to get the matchmaking logic

[soft crow]

so what happens if my pc turns off or sm

💀

entire game is cooked

[steel veldt]

for testing

then once you get everything working you can upload the software to an online server

since you don't need long term data

[soft crow]

would it sync that easily?

[jovial pier]

Not always

[steel veldt]

you would need to do a bit of modification to work with their api

[jovial pier]

Most database solutions have a free tier

I highly recommend doing a free tier license

Test with network not local

Trust

[quaint oracle]

anyone mind helping me with my problem it got lost in the forum i made it last night

[soft crow]

dawg

💀

[jovial pier]

I think ur lost bro 😭

[quaint oracle]

just asking smh

[jovial pier]

Go back to the main channel

This is a channel for only 1 question

[soft crow]

what does this mean

what is the difference between network and local

[jovial pier]

You want your test environment to be as close to production as possible

[soft crow]

if you self host what is the api

[jovial pier]

Localhost/endpoint

Whatever you make your endpoint

The difference is where the database is

Local means it's running on your computer

In production it will be running on another server ideally

Like a cloud server

[soft crow]

ok so i should js use the free tier temporarily and once its fully ready

upgrade it

[jovial pier]

That's what I usually do

[soft crow]

that makes alot of sense

[jovial pier]

You can also manage it yourself

It just depends how much manual work you want to do

[soft crow]

it makes more sense doing network

so what database should i use ideally?

before i upgrade it

i mean i want the same network before and after spending money

[jovial pier]

You don't HAVE to spend money

Database wise

It's just if you want it managed or unmanaged

[soft crow]

i mean once the game is released and if it makes money, ill upgrade it so it works with alot of people

[jovial pier]

You have to spend money on a server though

[soft crow]

i thought that comes free

[jovial pier]

Yeah the db will scale fine

[jovial pier]

No a database and a server are different if it's unmanaged

Even some managed ones

The database service runs on a computer you pay for

Or you pay someone else for their database on their server

There are some free tiers for servers

[soft crow]

oh so ideally i should run it on my own so someone cant js destroy my entire game

but i can transfer it over later

for now i will js milk the free tier

So uhhh what do you suggest i use?

[jovial pier]

What

[soft crow]

if they shut down the server then what happens?

my game is cooked

[jovial pier]

Wym

Like an outage?

[soft crow]

yes

[jovial pier]

Outages happen, it's unavoidable

That's one benefit of DataStore

They have a safer system

Because they can afford it

They pay AWS the big bucks

[soft crow]

well its safer, but it isnt better all around

[jovial pier]

You can mitigate it a few ways

This is a complicated process

[soft crow]

my game wont be entirel ydependant on global queue

[jovial pier]

I think you should explore using memory store first

[soft crow]

its supposed to be efficient as possible

[soft crow]

more than i already have?

i do have an idea in mind

but i dont wana go to it

yet

[jovial pier]

You will need 3 separate servers to mitigate outages

Minimum

Ideally 4

[soft crow]

nah i aint got money for that

[jovial pier]

Yeah

That's what I thought

Lol

That's why DataStore should almost always be chosen

It's a great solution

I think ur overthinking your queue

Try running some volume tests in your current implementation

[soft crow]

ok ill do that

[jovial pier]

There is a reason roblox made the DataStore so easy

It was to make it so ppl didn't have to do all this lol

[soft crow]

true

[jovial pier]

It is a pain

I have done a fair share of it

[soft crow]

i trust u lol

u know alot

[jovial pier]

Appreciate it

@cosmic mirage also knows about databases if I remember correctly

[cosmic mirage]

hm?

oh yeah use data store if you can

dont do your own thing it is painful

[jovial pier]

What do you think is good for a w service

Q*

[cosmic mirage]

let me read the full convo, sec

queues? like matchmaking?

[hardy nymph]

why not just use roblox data store

[jovial pier]

Yes

[soft crow]

yes

[jovial pier]

Mongodb for rt processing

Is my flavor

In a high volume setting you would also want a separate queue service

But you don't need that

[cosmic mirage]

rivals uses an external system for that?

[jovial pier]

Apparently

[soft crow]

yes

[jovial pier]

I think most of the time external is overkill

[soft crow]

i got insider info

i know a guy who knows the rivals owner

and he apprently asked the question already

so he told me

[soft crow]

i guess

[jovial pier]

It adds a lot of complexity

That roblox nicely packs away for you

The question is simply

Does the budget bottleneck you

[steel veldt]

another game that uses external system is rush point pretty sure

[jovial pier]

Do you NEED httpservice

And does that have a higher lim

[soft crow]

i dont think i need it

but i would like it

[jovial pier]

Lol

[soft crow]

i do like learning and applying my knowledge

[jovial pier]

I mean as a learning project feel free

[soft crow]

also can someone give me s2 so i can have pro scripting access please

[jovial pier]

Yeah Hao give me s2

[soft crow]

^

[cosmic mirage]

wonder if theyre using open match

hmm

or maybe its custom idk

[jovial pier]

I can't imagine it's conplicated enough

Where they wouldn't customize the application layer

[cosmic mirage]

openmatch is the most overkill option tbh, its probably something similar

[jovial pier]

If they are making a fuckton of money

I would do that lol

Just take it out of my hands

Get me AWAY from ts