#💡 Remove All Skill Roles

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amber heathBOT
dusty bluff
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Skill roles have caused a lot of drama in the server, and it’s even made some people leave after getting demoted.

The truth is, skill roles mostly exist so people can flex on others. That kind of system is super easy to corrupt and just causes unnecessary problems.

A better idea would be letting members pick their own roles based on what they’re good at. If someone wants to prove their skills, they can just show off their portfolio or share examples of their work. This way, it’s less about power dynamics and more about people representing themselves however they want.

This system also fixes the issue with the lack of rankers in some skills, VFX for example.

desert coral
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i have said this since the dawn of time:

skill roles are cringe
reputation is enough

grave bay
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i totally agree with your opinion. this suggestion should be implemented immediately

supple reef
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no

rigid vector
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yes

tidal night
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No

supple reef
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no

rigid vector
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100%

supple reef
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i want my s0 role to stay.

worn olive
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noo how am I gonna flex m4

supple reef
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deserved

supple reef
worn olive
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this server is only popular because of the roles

rigid vector
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only

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boom

supple reef
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seems like ur coping.. ||g1||

worn olive
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if we didn't have those it'd be useless

supple reef
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no other server has this feature

worn olive
supple reef
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we are unique 😊

worn olive
supple reef
rigid vector
supple reef
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😭 reapply fr

supple reef
supple reef
grave bay
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the people that will vote against this suggestion are the ones that have skill roles, and, thus, their opinions should be nullified

desert coral
worn olive
supple reef
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just apply for s why do u want g

worn olive
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but the knockoff

supple reef
supple reef
worn olive
supple reef
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neither does cricket have a skill role

supple reef
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can u invite?

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im banned on the main rodevs server

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im perma banned in hd as well

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along with my 4 alts

worn olive
supple reef
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i sent gore they banned me for 1 yr and im still banned (shouldve expired in this year's feb??)

supple reef
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i was set up

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deadass i didnt send shit

long chasm
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100% disagree, the only reason why this server is popular

supple reef
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good boy enzi

long chasm
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its what makes it better then hd

desert coral
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nah, i think that's false

supple reef
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b1 ❤️

worn olive
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Ive never seen anyone be toxic over a role

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unless you had clothing

long chasm
desert coral
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there are plenty of people without ranks and high levels in this server

long chasm
desert coral
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that demonstrates populatrity without the need for ranks

worn olive
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well yea all scripters are naturally toxic so no stopping that

supple reef
long chasm
desert coral
worn olive
desert coral
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you know what

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all moderators are naturally toxic too

long chasm
desert coral
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ban moderators

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anarchy

supple reef
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the toxicity created by flexing higher departament ranks causes plebs to strive to achieve greatness so they can, one day, flex as well

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thread closed

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no removing ranks

supple reef
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✅

worn olive
desert coral
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They don't though

supple reef
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so you dont hire a guy who cant do a print statement

desert coral
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and people know that

supple reef
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atleast s3/s4

teal cipher
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I suggested this before when I was mod
The people u need to convince are the ones in management and prob neon himself

desert coral
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then why do we have so many disagreements about this or that person "not deserving their rank"?

worn olive
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the rest don't require skill ok maybe animating

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but still its not hard to get

desert coral
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see? This is the public sentiment

worn olive
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ok so delete all ranks except animation modeling scripting got it

supple reef
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FUCK animation roles ‼️ (no reason)

crisp spade
# dusty bluff Skill roles have caused a lot of drama in the server, and it’s even made some pe...

It adds value to people, they're required to show off a professional evaluation of how skilled someone is in their respective section, and to give people something to work for, as well as to show buyers how experienced someone is, there's 0 reason to remove them and if you can't deal with the fact that you just aren't good enough to get a certain skill role then that's more of an ego problem than anything lol

supple reef
supple reef
desert coral
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Just delete ranks. People gain popularity and name recognition through natural processes

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they serve little purpose other than to create disagreement

vast imp
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Get rid of Skill roles

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It Gives Ego when they are Trash

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Lol

teal cipher
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I’ll be finally free of ranking

vast imp
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Yes

grave bay
desert coral
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People know PoptartNoah, for example, not because of his S4 rank so much as what he posts on his Twitter and the games he has had a hand in making

crisp spade
teal cipher
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Generally speaking though the ego issue I believe is caused by the age of Roblox developers and just general maturity, skill roles essentially add fuel to the fire

vast imp
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It makes sense Why you want to keep skill roles

crisp spade
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I couldn't care less what y'all do

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Just giving my opinion

vast imp
desert coral
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businesses are responsible for their own advertising if they want name recognition.

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i think it should be the same here

crisp spade
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Name recognition is barely a thing in roblox development, especially for people hiring who don't have much experience in development

worn olive
crisp spade
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If you're not in the community most of the time you don't know any big dev names

vast imp
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Skill roles Bring toxicity so remove them

desert coral
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that's exactly what I'm saying Cricket

teal cipher
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I spend the majority of my time in industry servers with people of a much higher skill/experience range than here

The issue of ego generally comes with the immaturity of youth

vast imp
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No other community has it but this One

teal cipher
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I think even removing skill roles won’t be removing the issue entirely but it’s a step in the right direction

crisp spade
desert coral
worn olive
worn olive
vast imp
worn olive
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at least thats how I view it

vast imp
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You know that right

crisp spade
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So what's the issue?

desert coral
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Okay, then that's your definition. But what you just described does not involve ranks, hence my argument

worn olive
# vast imp You know that right

in a way this isn't true, people are aware of rsc ranks and how hard some are so it can be seen as a flex outside the server

vast imp
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Read

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The chat

vast imp
desert coral
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ranks don't get you jobs you are interested in doing

crisp spade
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^ Gives you more credibility so yes, they do

worn olive
crisp spade
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In a community full of scammers and posers every bit of credibility counts

worn olive
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without it we can't stand out and were practically useless compared to other servers

vast imp
worn olive
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our marketplace isn't well polished n made

vast imp
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Your own portfolio and works does

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Not the rank

teal cipher
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Hd moment

crisp spade
worn olive
vast imp
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That’s not true

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I’m sure people have slipped through

crisp spade
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I'm sure they have and I'm sure it doesn't last

worn olive
teal cipher
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Who was that

worn olive
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then it was probably with the old system

vast imp
teal cipher
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I don’t know em, joined last week lol

desert coral
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i mean, i dunno about you, but I am here because there are people here who I am interested in talking to

worn olive
# vast imp All ranks

Other ranks probably do the same I'd assume bones always does a good job with builder

desert coral
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i'm pretty sure that's what gives a community value

worn olive
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but

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to grow the community

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we need a gimick to get people to join

crisp spade
teal cipher
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Lmao

vast imp
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He looks like you

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His name

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Lol

teal cipher
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But a counter argument is that any system no matter how perfect there will always be flaws and errors

worn olive
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oh this guy ahh

teal cipher
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That’s just the nature of things

worn olive
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I think he applied with anime models that the m4 refused to believe were stolen (since there wasn't a 1:1 on the internet; but it was an app that he used to create em)

teal cipher
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What we can do is minimise but that’s about it

worn olive
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guh we were arguing with him for ages till we got enough proof

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I beleiv

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could be confusing him with anotha guy

teal cipher
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Unless u guys wanna suggest a art test for roles for more credibility

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But that’s just a hassle

long chasm
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how do you know who your talking to is a actual skilled dev or a dimwit who think they are the best

desert coral
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I mean, if we need a gimmick that badly, aren't there other more productive things we could come up with?

crisp spade
teal cipher
worn olive
long chasm
worn olive
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pretty silly

teal cipher
long chasm
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yeah i kinda disagree

teal cipher
long chasm
grave bay
worn olive
worn olive
long chasm
crisp spade
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The issue is most of the people hiring here aren't people with the budget to hire established devs, or the experience to know established devs. So skill roles are a good way to establish who is and isn't good, and generally skill roles are handed out pretty fairly depending on the skill of an individual, I haven't really seen any bad g3/g4 designers, not sure about the other roles

desert coral
# worn olive like what aa

I dunno, like more regular game jams? That is the one thing I see everyone constantly asking for and that other servers only do in scarce amounts

ripe flame
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i like flexing on losers

worn olive
teal cipher
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Whether skills roles get removed or not is not really my interest here
I just wanna know at the end of the day when the decision is made there are solid arguments backing them up and not a baseless decision

worn olive
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and we don't have the funding

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either way

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since neon isn't online 99% of the time

desert coral
crisp spade
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Even HD gives dogshit prizes

plush trench
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as a member of rsc since 2020 and counting
i must say that skill roles are here to stay but i think skills roles should have less tiers

crisp spade
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You don't really need to give much

worn olive
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i forget the name of the server let me try to remember

teal cipher
crisp spade
worn olive
crisp spade
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Some people would just like game jams to test their skill

worn olive
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ig the only way to find out is via a poll

ripe flame
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this server should have gambling

desert coral
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well, other than tribalism

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but that's just gonna be there

teal cipher
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I see it as two options right now

  1. Remove skill roles
  2. Improve the ranking system
ripe flame
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  1. remove the server
desert coral
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I mean, when I say "remove skill roles", I mean remove the current numerical system we have, to be clear

worn olive
teal cipher
crisp spade
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There's no point in having skill roles if you don't have a numerical system to show skill

desert coral
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I'm not opposed to some way of identifying that you know how to script

teal cipher
desert coral
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or even a work-based system of proving that

crisp spade
plush trench
worn olive
ripe flame
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the skill roles help me identity verified skilled devs

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so i vote no

crisp spade
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^

crisp spade
worn olive
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not a bad idea

desert coral
crisp spade
worn olive
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but then the gap might be too big n people will think its unfair to be placed with mediocre people when they are considerably higher hmm

desert coral
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that's the issue we are bringing up here

crisp spade
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Then you're looked down upon for not having the higher skill role

ripe flame
desert coral
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that they don't really help you identify those people all of the time

ripe flame
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its not perfect and constant

teal cipher
desert coral
ripe flame
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oooo

plush trench
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in a very rational scenario i think the current system is just fine it has been working eversince i joined almost 4 years now there will be few hickups in every system i dont think its worth the effort to redo the whole system now

crisp spade
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^

long chasm
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this prolly the biggest thread in rsc

crisp spade
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I'd write an in depth message on why the system works and is needed but it'd get ignored and I'd be so mad 😭 🙏

teal cipher
plush trench
worn olive
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anyways the system's staying not getting removed

ripe flame
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i think it needs to be better defined for each rank

worn olive
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its good as it is and works fine in the major categories of deving

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aa

long chasm
grave bay
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if it works, it works

teal cipher
crisp spade
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Main thing I'd say is needed is examples for every stage of every skill rank

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So you have something to go off of

long chasm
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i recommend yall add a skill role 5

worn olive
teal cipher
crisp spade
worn olive
long chasm
ripe flame
plush trench
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we cannot even change the ways we rank now as it has been so polished over the years that now polishing it more will now lead to more cons than pros

ripe flame
desert coral
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So then what we're concluding here is that this system as a structure is fine, but the rankers are the issue (either lack of them, or inconsistent judgment)?

worn olive
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its extremely bias since its not inclusive

ripe flame
worn olive
desert coral
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Right, of course

plush trench
desert coral
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Some skill sets have plenty of rankers

worn olive
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for modeling we are fairly consistant since we've had the same staff for a while now and we all get involved in tickets but dunno ab other ranks

desert coral
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Oh, you mean for consistency

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Hmmm

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Here's an idea

worn olive
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the whole ego thing for rank 4s seems to be present bcus of low requirements for rank 4 leading to more younger folk getting it

teal cipher
desert coral
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Or rather, some food-for-thought

worn olive
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aka less mature ones

tidal night
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Don’t remove roles ez as that

teal cipher
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1-2 would have 3 examples however 3-4 would have 6-9 examples to get a range in

plush trench
teal cipher
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Probably due to the low bar to entry

crisp spade
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@worn olive Am I allowed to open a ranking ticket to see if my work is good enough for a rank up if I know I don't meet the additional requirements like tweening?

tulip gateBOT
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studio** You are now Level 15! **studio

crisp spade
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Also speaking of which that's a big complaint I have about the skill role system, or at least for gui

worn olive
crisp spade
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You shouldn't have to tween your UI to get gui3/4

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It's not really a designer's job

worn olive
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in modeling I never see rank 3s and 4s making fun of lower ranks; only m2s w m1s

desert coral
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If we want every ranker department to be consistent, then we need someone in charge of each group of rankers to standardize opinion. Do we currently have a governing body (or bodies) that serves that purpose for every department?

worn olive
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Ui needs more examples fo sure

worn olive
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we have 2 seniors for each skill aka leaders

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but like at the end of the day thers many styles

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for everything

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so being consistant gets tough

teal cipher
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Are there any seniors for modeling

worn olive
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the only way to combat this is by gathering a shit ton of examples

worn olive
desert coral
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Sure it does, but if you want consistency you need to be precise

worn olive
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co1n and someone else I forget who

teal cipher
long chasm
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can yall shut up already this shit aint getting removed

worn olive
long chasm
worn olive
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could give u that position aa

worn olive
plush trench
# worn olive in modeling I never see rank 3s and 4s making fun of lower ranks; only m2s w m1s

the idea of ranking is very subjective. when we rank stuff we only see a persons final product to rank them.
instead a better way would be asking a person "how did you do ___ in this".
i think this will be a better way to ranking people.

ranking people by the idea of "specific guidelines" they have to follow can be very inconsistent
instead make "ranking questions" which the ranker has to ask the rank'ee so suggest that if the person is of that deserving rank or no.

long chasm
worn olive
worn olive
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for modeling obviously thers a technical side but styles are involved so itd be harder to rank since not all rankers have experience in x field

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they all use different workflows so it gets tough

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and for styles like I said we just need a shit ton of examples

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but as far as technical side goes we ask for the main parts that are present in anything game related

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idk ab other ranks again aa

plush trench
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if you do this with all ranks then i dont think there is a better way
these ranks are here to stay and any change in any way will revert slowly without realising as more new rankers with different opinions are appointed in the team.

worn olive
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we've been consisting in modeling for ages and it seems to work well little to no flaws; but yes your right anyways ranks are staying bybye im bored

plush trench
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true end of thread

cobalt summit
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i can finally be an equal

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cause im too lazy to get a skill role

tidal night
teal cipher
plush trench
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can i get owner too

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my dad works for rsc

teal cipher
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Fr

ripe flame
ripe flame
velvet nova
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Skill ranks are not 100% representative of the ability of an individual to make a product.

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Skill ranks just prove how much within a certain field you have learned.

worn olive
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but it should be limited to their domain aghhhhhhf

velvet nova
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It is.

worn olive
velvet nova
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This is a roblox discord.

worn olive
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we don't limit ourself to roblox whatsoever

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infact we don't even want to be associated with it

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its just silly to me; to make a crazy good detailed ui or a very appealing one just to get rejected since its not tweened

velvet nova
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Same with music production.

worn olive
velvet nova
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Some skills are used towards roblox, but not directly associated.

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Roblox UI is directly associated with roblox.

worn olive
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wait no

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oops

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not associated at all*

velvet nova
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Its not even scripting

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its just tweening

worn olive
velvet nova
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which takes like 5 minutes to learn the basics

worn olive
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it goes for visual appeal

velvet nova
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Yes, tweening applies to visual appeal.

worn olive
worn olive
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it adds on to it sure but can you make good ui without it

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absolutely

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so it should be a plus and not mandatory

velvet nova
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We are ranking on the basis of skill completion.

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Tweening, constraints, design, and implimentation.

worn olive
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I don't see tweening as being mandatory

velvet nova
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Go tell builders they cant use lighting, models, or effects.

worn olive
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that there is litteraly what building is

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but for ui its not forced in and out of roblox

velvet nova
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UI = User Interface

worn olive
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but go become an enviro artist without that knowledge and you're screwed which is building in our server

velvet nova
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not screen pictures

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not design buttons

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The entire interface.

worn olive
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I mean it is

velvet nova
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Tweening exists under the UI section in the roblox forum.

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Tweening is another aspect of UI.

worn olive
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its like a creature model for a game lol

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it won't function without animation

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then why isnt animation and modeling 1?

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because they are seperate skill sets

velvet nova
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If you can make UI that is godlike without tweening, sure we will pass you higher ranks.

worn olive
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godlike is excessive this is roblox unless an industry artist joins

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but it shouldnt be mandatory and just a plus

velvet nova
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Ok, I'll wait for them.

worn olive
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and if you say otherwise thats silly; go speak to proffesionals and then come talk to me

velvet nova
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People need to learn the roblox UI aspects to get higher roles, we already permit UI2 and perhaps 3 in few cases.

worn olive
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so you're saying its too simple and needs other aspects to make it harder since really thats what you've been trying to infer to

velvet nova
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Its not simple if you look into finer details.

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Constraints for example.

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All these people can photopea draw their UI or design them in figma, but can they constrain it to every device and do it efficiently?

worn olive
worn olive
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but tweening no

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thats a mandatory skill a ui designer should have

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at least on roblox

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outside it obviously isn't

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but tweening no

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constraitns yes

velvet nova
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That's like a web designer complaining that it doesn't apply to our ranking system.

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These roles apply to our marketplace and what people look for in every job.

worn olive
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again animation + modeling topic all over aa

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use that as an example

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ya hire a sperate skill to do your job

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knowing how to do both is a plus

velvet nova
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You hire a modeller and an animator separate yes?

worn olive
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which is what I view tweening to be

worn olive
velvet nova
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You don't hire a tweener and a UI designer.

stark sedge
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lets remove all skill roles

worn olive
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and you hire a scripter and a ui artist seperate; but if they can do both then thats a plus!!

worn olive
velvet nova
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If you remove skill roles we will lose 90% of our server.

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Yeah I know about that.

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I work with scripters.

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A lot for UI.

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But guess what.

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I usually either do the tweening or understand it to the point of being able to organize correctly for it.

worn olive
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Don't get what you're trying to prove ga

velvet nova
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yeah a plus to your skill rank apps.

jovial ravine
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lets just ban everyone

velvet nova
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Seriously

worn olive
velvet nova
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I know why you are bringing this up.

worn olive
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huh why

jovial ravine
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uh oh management beef

worn olive
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I acc don't have a reason rn im just incredibly bored

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and need a break from my sculpt pray4k

rigid vector
worn olive
velvet nova
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We are not removing skill roles as it is one of our primary services offered at RSC

Removing skill roles would lead to a loss in activity and many more complaints.

We understand frustration with many aspects of the ranking system and constantly give updates to cater to these complaints such as ranking guides.

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Obviously you could be better in one way but still be a lower rank due to some ranking requirements, but we can't cater to each individual differently. In order to keep consistency and promote learning, we have requirements for each level and hope that they offer new experiences for users to grow their skills.

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Skill ranks don't represent your raw skills compared to another member, it is purely a checkpoint along the road of growing your skills in that area. Whether you learn modelling and need to get better at topography, or you are a UI designer who needs to learn the constraints of roblox.

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We do hope that other roles such as event winners, gamejams, levels, and merit offer other chances at showing off your abilities.

vast imp
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GameJams that never Happen

main fjord
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no lol thats not happening

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its one of the things that are unique about rsc

wide lynx
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studio help:

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discussio on development in gneral:

limpid hearth
worn olive
worn olive
supple reef
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and activity

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🤣

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its going to become like every other boring ass roblox dev server

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nothing special

limpid hearth
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its gotten extremely messy anyway

fringe musk
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Rsc lowkey peaked a few years ago, bring back game jams now it’s dead

iron portal
supple reef
lament sinew
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Nooo how am I supposed to boast to people

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All my personality in this server relies on the higher role that indicates better knowledge in the skill I have acquired

supple reef
lament sinew
long chasm
supple reef
narrow pine
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Noooo i wanna be racist towards a1!!!

supple reef
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youre a2 bro

narrow pine
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You have no skill role

cerulean scaffold
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and trash garbage

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get better kid

narrow pine
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For an A3, you should have realized that

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Or you are so inactive here that you don't even know that hate towards a1 is just a joke in animating chat smh

cerulean scaffold
narrow pine
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No

lament sinew
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Make a game using only animations

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(Getting in the drama for the funnies)

narrow pine
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Scripting is superior

lament sinew
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Real

narrow pine
lament sinew
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Only based animator out there

narrow pine
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They hate me when I speak the truth

cerulean scaffold
quick dew
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No

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Isnt what you described what’s already in place? We have to prove our work to rank up

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This suggestion has been denied by Subwaytacoman 🧑‍⚖️

crisp spade
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@sleek lodge

limpid hearth
narrow pine
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This sucks
Rolism shall prevail

supple reef
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is that you?

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do you know what the basement is