#💡 Grey names should not be able to create a post in 1006356488912121967 , without having a pr...
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warm eagle
well that would just create another massive wave of grey names in general who are spamming for levels
some people just refuse to read no matter what you do
so i doubt there is anything we can do
wraith charm
Wouldn't that be better in comparison? To shift over the issue to another place, that is essentially resolved by the same moderation team auditing the channels?
There's always a few fruits in there who are eager to learn.
sweet timber
most studio help posts are just brainless grey names looking for people to work for free
wraith charm
Limiting them with certain restrictions, is a sure way to get less incidents occurring.
sweet timber
yeah I think either a skill role or lvl5
celest summit
The whole reason that people join this server is to get studio/scripting help
Why would they need to farm Levels in order to get that help
That's like gatekeeping support
sweet timber
Why would they need to farm Levels in order to get that help
because 90% of grey names only ask really stupid or unhelpful questions or hiring posts
unhelpful
no picture
nothing
sweet timber
So then add rules to the forum
do you think grey names follow rules
they dont
there is a reason this sticker exists
is because they dont care / read rules so it wont change anything
celest summit
do you think grey names follow rules
There are no rules for the forums
- rules means you can warn them if they don't do it
Simple as that
wraith charm
That's like gatekeeping support
It's a measure.
It filters out the users who aren't capable of following the rules.
That's one of the prime factors on why I've suggested it at all.
sweet timber
it only takes a few days to get lvl 5 anyway
wraith charm
If they can't get LVL 5 properly, then how would you expect them to create posts properly?
wraith charm
So then add rules to the forum
This only adds on more tasks to the moderation teams, which are held accountable for it. (There's more than 222 posts in the help thread at the moment.)
By maker the users follow a procedure they'll be less likely to throw away all their progress of getting lvl 5 for some support. Since they acknowledge that if they don't have the role, they simply won't be able to ask for help
celest summit
so in the end it has the same result
Not all gray names fill them in wrong
Your logic doesn't add up imo
sweet timber
Not all gray names fill them in wrong
90% do
celest summit
By maker the users follow a procedure they'll be less likely to throw away all t...
They join the server for support
sweet timber
anyway its easy to get lvl5
anyway most of their problems can be solved by using google
celest summit
90% do
I'd like to see a statistic that actually backs this up, because that's just ignorant at this point
wraith charm
They join the server for support
So in this instance they should respect the servers rules, or no?
celest summit
anyway most of their problems can be solved by using google
That's not true at all. The whole reason I joined this server was to get support because I couldn't find things on google
celest summit
So in this instance they should respect the servers rules, or no?
It's not in the server rules
Again, your logic doesn't add up here
wraith charm
I'm sure there will be rules.
wraith charm
That's why I've wrote it beforehand, since I expect it to be an addition.
wraith charm
There aren't, so..
For the moment, yes.
sweet timber
ok I take it back, 7/10 of the last grey name posts have been vague or unanswerable questions
wraith charm
Still, Grinch you haven't provided any solutions either?
wraith charm
Explain me why not filtering out users wouldn't help?
We can't immediately suspect that every grey name in this server came in here for help, that's just a common guess.
sweet timber
it takes just 1-2 days to get lvl5 so its not hard
celest summit
ok I take it back, 7/10 of the last grey name posts have been vague or unanswera...
Not true
wraith charm
So are there any other solutions, exempt from implementing rules?
celest summit
6/10 of the last gray name posts in #1006356488912121967 are answerable
sweet timber
I just checked
celest summit
I just checked
3 of them have images, one has a video
The last 2 are easy to answer
wraith charm
Most of these posts could be solved with a google, youtube or devforum search.
However, are there any other solutions?
We're skipping over it.
sweet timber
3 of them have images, one has a video
can you show these 6
celest summit
can you show these 6
Playing a game rn
wraith charm
Let's get rid of that, perhaps?
celest summit
You're showing the same one
sweet timber
celest summit
You're only showing the ones that you cant answer
sweet timber
celest summit
What about the other ones
sweet timber
You're only showing the ones that you cant answer
these are in the last 10, and thats the point
celest summit
What about the other ones, go on
wraith charm
Why is it that most of these grey name threads don't have an title related to their issue.
"help"
sweet timber
some ok as well
celest summit
Again, it's not 90%, or 70%, the fact that a number of gray names are inconvenient doesn't mean every other gray name on the server should be denied help
sweet timber
Again, it's not 90%, or 70%, the fact that a number of gray names are inconvenie...
denied help while they have a grey name
its not a permanent thing
sweet timber
it would just reduce unhelpful question AND even if they really need help most issues there could be asked in a creations channel
celest summit
it would just reduce unhelpful question AND even if they really need help most i...
Level 5 people also have really unhelpful questions, do you think we should do that too?
You know what, you're right, we should gatekeep support to only Level 10+
sweet timber
You know what, you're right, we should gatekeep support to only Level 10+
sounds good
celest summit
Actually, I also saw a post by a Level 10 titled "help" we should make it Level 20+
sweet timber
yeah sure
wraith charm
This seems like a bit of a far reach.
sweet timber
wait how about we just get rid of studio help
most of them could just be put in something like scripting
building
celest summit
This seems like a bit of a far reach.
It's not at all, I'm just following your logic
A considerable number of Level 5s have really annoying and unhelpful titles/descriptions, so we should deny them help too right?
sweet timber
gui
sweet timber
it doesnt need to be a forum 
celest summit
Everything that isn't related to scripting should go in #1006356488912121967
wraith charm
It's not at all, I'm just following your logic
A considerable number of Level 5s...
Implementation of Rules in Studio-Help would suffice.
sweet timber
celest summit
it doesnt need to be a forum <:facepalm:839491218504941578>
So where do you suggest they put it
sweet timber
all these places
celest summit
We're encouraged not to ask for help tehre
celest summit
There are literally GUI and Building tags in #1006356488912121967
How are you this dense
You're meant to ask for building help there
Bruh
sweet timber
There are literally GUI and Building tags in <#1006356488912121967>
what has that got to do with what im saying
im saying that these can all offer help
wraith charm
It's not at all, I'm just following your logic
A considerable number of Level 5s...
My logic is to define the restriction based on the servers standards.
celest summit
what has that got to do with what im saying
You're saying that people who need help with building should ask questions in the building channel, and not in the support forum for building, etc.
wraith charm
I've used the level 5 as an example, which could be an solution firsthand.
celest summit
Your argument and logic are awful
sweet timber
You're saying that people who need help with building should ask questions in th...
yes
most people do that
I do that
loads of people do
celest summit
I do that
I don't think you realize how annoying that is. The building channel isn't for building support
The #1006356488912121967 channel is
I'm done with this, you're too stubborn
wraith charm
Provide solutions, ladies and gentlemen.
sweet timber
it may not be intended for but it is
do you actually go into any of the creation channels, there are always help questions in there
anyway you have an orange name so shut
wraith charm
How about we sort it out by not adding restrictions, nor implementing rules. So we can have moderators fulfill more of their voluntary quota?
wraith charm
We require solutions.
What if we just implement rules, extend on restrictions and have an optional voluntary division under the Moderation Team that would be tasked to enforce rules inside of studio-help?
sweet timber
Your argument and logic are awful
wait I just realised didnt you literally just suggest we shut of voting on suggestions until lvl 5 💀
wraith charm
celest summit
They don't even read the rules, you think they're going to read that?