💡 Add a 5th rolegold star but you have to get nominated by your star peers to achieve it and als...

[coarse halo]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[light goblet]

i think its nice cuz it would give at least some reward for being helpful to the community

[fair canopy]

^^

[spare anchor]

lets hope we don't get shut down by meex

[light goblet]

yup

[spare anchor]

Another benefit is that it motivates some of the star experts to start contributing and enlightening us with their experience 👌

[autumn hamlet]

I'm all for this since the people with the star roles choose to vote in a specific person and having it would be temporary for like a month before another person gets voted in

[tribal osprey]

Would this be for all creator roles? And would this be limited to 1 person per creator role?

[spare anchor]

and if it doesn't work out then we can always just delete the role

it would be for all creator roles, every field. It would be limited to 1 person only

basically we vote 1 person that we feel best represents all of us

[tribal osprey]

So 9 new roles. Why do you exactly need someone to represent everyone?

[spare anchor]

their name would still display in the same star group, they'll probably just have a gold star role. Displaying them seperately would probably cause ego issues

[spare anchor]

1. Some stars may be inactive, best to just elect 1 active star to represent all the other stars and someone we also feel who's much more skilled than the other stars.
2. Adds some credability and authority.
3. Motivates the stars to start talking and spreading knowledge

[tribal osprey]

1. Why do you need 1 person to represent a sometimes gigantic group of people.
2. Don't see how this would be different from current star roles.
3. I see a community helper role with which people can grow with more fit.

We've been in the talks about adding a "Master" role but that didn't really go anywhere, it would be a role above the star roles for people that are actually qualified in that field (degrees, etc.).

[tribal osprey]

9 new roles?

[light goblet]

degrees dont mean skill

[fair canopy]

i agree ^

[tribal osprey]

I never said that, and I said it never went anywhere.

#💬︱general message

[autumn hamlet]

We must prevent the rising of the Proletariat

Having a role for scripters for an academic degree is dumb. Considering most people have certificates instead

[tribal osprey]

"etc."

[spare anchor]

1. I don't think we have a huge group of stars anyways in most fields.
2. Say there is some argument or topic where the stars can't even agree on some matter, the golden star would give more objective insight from their experience and profesionalism

[autumn hamlet]

And it's foolishly easy to fake such documentation in more ways than you can imagine

[spare anchor]

and yeah degrees shouldn't be a requirement

many people learn on their own through books etc

[tribal osprey]

1. So they would only represent star creators? I don't see how we would need 1 person to represent those either.
2. A vote would be in place here, saying 1 person is the best causes to loads of issues.

[spare anchor]

doesn't seem that bad, especially if it doesn't even display seperately from the memberlist

[autumn hamlet]

Having one person be voted in every month would be great especially as a go-to person for questions in e.g pro-scripting and it'd only be voted in by the stars

And it's not that they're "the best" it's that they were voted in by the other scripter stars

It's like saying Donald Trump or Joe Biden was the best because they won the election

[tribal osprey]

Nine new roles each with just 1 member is a no-go. Sorry to break it to you. Maybe if it was combined into 1 but it's tricky. We're trying to limit roles with one person uses. We're already pretty close to the limits and it's causing issues already.

[spare anchor]

2. Not really, I've seen how some stars rely on 1 specific star creator for their insight since they aren't sure so they would admit to this person being much better than them or whatever. Also the role doesn't have to nessecerially imply that they are the best at everything, just generally better and someone who actively contributes to the community

[autumn hamlet]

No that's perfectly fine too

[light goblet]

exactly

[spare anchor]

Just create 1 role that says gold star

[autumn hamlet]

One role called "Gold Creator"

[spare anchor]

and give it to 9 people

yes

[autumn hamlet]

Since they're already listed in the scripter stars

[light goblet]

i could fake a PhD diploma in 20 minutes with fucking paint 3d beyond recognition

u wouldnt be able to tell

with literally a brush and opacity tool

[spare anchor]

doesnt seem like much of a stretch

[tribal osprey]

Why would only star creators get to vote who receives a gold star.

[spare anchor]

because they are the most qualified

[autumn hamlet]

Well because we know the other star creators..

[light goblet]

watch gray names say whoever helps them first

[spare anchor]

beginers may not know what is good quality and what isn't

[autumn hamlet]

And we want to vote in the ones we know best fit..

Instead of letting scripter 2 Joeshmo vote his friend in

[spare anchor]

so for scripting for example, beginners may just value code that looks more complex even though that's a terrible way to grade code

but perhapes it can be also open to 3s and up

[light goblet]

possibly rank 3s could vote too if *s would be an issue but seriously not s2s

id even doubt 3s but eh

[spare anchor]

but imo, it should be limited to stars just to keep the election process not much of a big deal or else the server will seem too centered around roles

[light goblet]

imagine the 200 s2s voting

[spare anchor]

also the golden star role just adds a bit of motivation to talk and share your insights more

[light goblet]

most of which who have such narrow game dev skills that its miserable

[autumn hamlet]

There is a lot of 3s on other ranks so it'd be a lot of people

[spare anchor]

not only does that gold star benefit but so does the community

[autumn hamlet]

You'd lose the "vote in the member you want" and rather vote in the member you see the most

[light goblet]

oh

[fair canopy]

meex just left the thread

[light goblet]

we officially got cancelled

[spare anchor]

2. A vote would be in place here, saying 1 person is the best causes to loads of issues.
   You can also keep it to a majority rule, so you only need 2/3 of the stars to elect or whatever. There shouldn't be issues that come up from this if it's majority or public election

[tribal osprey]

forced back in now

[spare anchor]

hehe

[fair canopy]

[spare anchor]

its a democratic election process

[autumn hamlet]

Get back to work Proletariat the bourgeoisie is here

[spare anchor]

and again if we start seeing issues you can just delete the gold star role

ez 👌

[tribal osprey]

it's never that easy

[autumn hamlet]

And any mod can assign the role so everytime there's a vote it can literally just be someone sending a message in a gc

Vote for this person
A - person
B - person2
C - person3

[autumn hamlet]

It's just a gold role lmao, if the gamejam winners have a trophy I think a gold role is also fine

[spare anchor]

may you provide your very experienced management insights and enlighten us on the process of executing such plans

[tribal osprey]

It's different, one says you won an event and the other says you've been voted the most useful by a select group of members in your category

[light goblet]

u can consider the election an event

flawed logic

[autumn hamlet]

Or the selected person by the select group of your category?

[spare anchor]

just create the gold role, we have our civil election inside the discussion channels

then ping a head mod

and the head mod roles the person

[autumn hamlet]

Or just any mod after voting

[spare anchor]

simple

and if it doesn't work out you just press 1 button to delete the role

[tribal osprey]

why not do this like an employee of the month system,

Creator of the Month
2-3-star can vote

[spare anchor]

what did i just say

[light goblet]

cuz s2 are bad

[spare anchor]

you hold elections every month or so when you feel as if the current gold star isnt fit

[tribal osprey]

I don't know, busy. I don't read everything here. Just think the naming is stupid.

[light goblet]

one semi decent (likely inspired heavily by a tutorial) script is enough to get u s2

[autumn hamlet]

And s3's will most likely just vote in their friend which sort of overthrows the whole point of it

[light goblet]

and the person could be absolutely shit

u dont know

[light goblet]

yup

[tribal osprey]

So do stars, we've seen so much gate keeping and friend voting.

[fair canopy]

"make a terrain generator, free s2"

[autumn hamlet]

I don't even know 3 of the s4's and neither do most of us

[light goblet]

seen goat talk like twice

[autumn hamlet]

Well you mentioned gate keeping

[spare anchor]

he inactive now

[light goblet]

trix

gn

[tribal osprey]

Yeah, it's a common concern in some creator categories.

[spare anchor]

just pick a humble gold star

and have their opinion in ranking matter more

[tribal osprey]

can we drop the gold star

[spare anchor]

ez, no gate keepin

just a 5th role

[tribal osprey]

no

[autumn hamlet]

What name would you prefer

[tribal osprey]

Creator of the Month

[spare anchor]

Noble Master

[autumn hamlet]

Big Daddy/Mommy

[spare anchor]

dont you already have that role

from the creations channel

[tribal osprey]

?

[autumn hamlet]

I'd say Gold Star fits much better

[spare anchor]

oh the featured role

[tribal osprey]

I don't agree.

[autumn hamlet]

Since its given to the "star ranks"

[spare anchor]

exactly

and gold is like

[tribal osprey]

It isn't.

[autumn hamlet]

What

[spare anchor]

universal

[autumn hamlet]

It literally is

[tribal osprey]

People can only vote for star ranks?

[spare anchor]

what would you be comfortable with

[autumn hamlet]

Well that was the point of the role was it not? To have the star ranks vote for someone with the star role

[spare anchor]

having it open to all ranked people in that field?

[light goblet]

Watch me get golden s3 s2

[fair canopy]

[tribal osprey]

Anyone, if the purpose of this is giving them extra recognizability and it's linked to their contribution to the creator community.

That's why I don't see how a "star" let alone it being "gold" would be fit.

Maybe limit it to 2+ (or the lowest rank that can vote)

[autumn hamlet]

Like nobody is going to get mad that the star ranks voted someone to be a gold star and then in the next 3 months they vote in someone else

[spare anchor]

creator of the month implies that their creation was impressive

and it was voted for

[autumn hamlet]

While this is voting in something like a student council president lmao

[spare anchor]

actually not a bad idea

[autumn hamlet]

Nobody is going to get mad that someone became the student council president

[spare anchor]

cause the stars usually end up helping the lower ranks

so the lower ranks themselves can vote for which star helped them the most

[light goblet]

Again, rank 2s generally are not experienced enough at all

Ive seen what can get u s2 and b2

[tribal osprey]

Maybe you shouldn't be part of this suggestion then?

[spare anchor]

dam

[light goblet]

Precisely

[spare anchor]

but anyways this aint a bad idea

[light goblet]

Just prove my point im not even qualified to talk about it, let alone be it

[autumn hamlet]

Even some s3's aren't even that proper tbf

[tribal osprey]

I don't think we should leave people out by what they've shown at this moment.
I understand that level 1 creators don't know much (they're beginners), but level 2's should understand at least the basics and be able to help level 1's.

[autumn hamlet]

So it's a bit hard to judge

[tribal osprey]

Based on what you said, yes.

[light goblet]

Oh ud be surprised

[autumn hamlet]

Have you seen the junk that gets submitted for s2 and s3 sometimes?

[spare anchor]

na its not a bad idea cause usually its the lower rank people who learn from the experts

not that big of a deal if s2s vote

[light goblet]

U can get s2 (talking abt scripting roles cuz i dont have anything else) for showing one specific script

[autumn hamlet]

Some s2 are literally just s1 but got lucky with ranking

[spare anchor]

yes who just bribed baha

[autumn hamlet]

Like some guy just didn't wanna read it and said yes sure that's s2

[light goblet]

Not very useful to someone making a chat module when all u can do is an s2 worthy fireball

[light goblet]

I shouldve been s0 and look at me

[autumn hamlet]

And you can even copy paste the script from some website and nobody will bother checking 🤣

[light goblet]

Now im qualified and i was s2 skill but i didnt show enough work technically

[tribal osprey]

Well moderators aren't doing their jobs correctly then.

[light goblet]

Change the var names and its not findable

Decompile and u wont know

[spare anchor]

moderators shouldnt be ranking unless they have a high enough scripter role

[fair canopy]

fax

[light goblet]

Just change the var names

[tribal osprey]

The moment you get caught you're out. It's a risk you take, everyone can steal and modify their way out of easy recognition. Unless we test everyone based on industry standards while watch (basically coding interviews) this is bound to happen.

[autumn hamlet]

The original suggestion is good when it's original, when you change it and open it up it becomes meaningless and unimportant

[tribal osprey]

Not how ranking works.

[spare anchor]

then what does this imply

[light goblet]

This tho

[spare anchor]

anyways i take it from this that you like the idea

and might consider it

[light goblet]

Like i got more skilled in different subjects but theres still so many, even s1 topics, i cant do

[spare anchor]

you're just iffy on the name

[autumn hamlet]

Creator of the month will be just a role anybody gets

[light goblet]

Sure but it will cause a ton of misconceptions

[autumn hamlet]

And will be a complete mess to choose propepry

Like who are you going to vote for

You have 300+ people to vote for

[light goblet]

What exactly do u get it for and how does it differ to a promotion

[spare anchor]

gold star is just the most universal name

and the color itself

[autumn hamlet]

The suggestion is useless unless you properly limit it to at least s3's

[tribal osprey]

They aren't following our ranking guidelines.

[spare anchor]

cause its more like a badge

[fair canopy]

also people can vote on their friends

[spare anchor]

not a actual rank

[tribal osprey]

I wouldn't say like, but I'm here to give the community what they want.

[spare anchor]

we want star gold

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah

That's literally what we came to suggest

Everybody who's seen it liked it

Apart from you and Baha

[spare anchor]

then that means the idea of getting star gold added is totally dependant on how many upvotes this suggestion gets

[tribal osprey]

I dislike the naming "Gold Creator" and the idea of a "gold star".

[light goblet]

Are u talking about the works?

[tribal osprey]

Correct.

[spare anchor]

but do you like the concept

[autumn hamlet]

But you have no issue with scripter star?

[tribal osprey]

"I wouldn't say like" #1016844797568360489 message

[light goblet]

The issue with that is that one script can be split into 5, still useful and work-worthy code

[tribal osprey]

I can't have opinions?

[autumn hamlet]

Also when you sent the suggestion to add a role for people with degrees it was overwhelmingly positive

[light goblet]

Its not like say b2 or a2 or sfx2 where u show 2 builds, 2 animations, 2 sound effects/songs

Define a script thats work-worthy

[tribal osprey]

It was an idea, after thinking about it we came to the conclusion (at least for now) that it wouldn't add much positivity wise. So we didn't do a server wide poll.

[autumn hamlet]

I'd like to hear more people with star ranks voice their opinions about this considering that's where this suggestion was originally aimed at

[light goblet]

50 lines? U can make a 30 line script anywhere between 1 or 500 lines, same with characters

[spare anchor]

master role going to bring more problems

[autumn hamlet]

You have the perms to ping the star ranks to ask them for their opinions too

[spare anchor]

than star gold

[autumn hamlet]

Gold Star is perfect since its literally just the same role but colored gold (the star would still be the same color for accessibility obviously)

[tribal osprey]

Again, already told you that we weren't planning on implementing it.

[autumn hamlet]

And nobody is going to get mad over the name "Gold star"

[spare anchor]

but if you even bothered considering that

then you have to consider this idea

[autumn hamlet]

Nobody at school got mad that timmy got a gold star

[light goblet]

Also is there even a degree in music production

[tribal osprey]

Same color?

[light goblet]

And sound effect production

[autumn hamlet]

The color from the original role

For accessibility obviously

[tribal osprey]

I am considering this idea, I think I've made that clear now. Else I would've left and downvoted it.

[tribal osprey]

So we're back to 9 different roles.

[autumn hamlet]

What

No?

[tribal osprey]

What color then?

[autumn hamlet]

The role icon from the original star role would show

[spare anchor]

just make 1 universal color like I said

gold seems nice

[tribal osprey]

Ah so.

[spare anchor]

white, gold, black are all universal colors but gold looks more pleasing

[tribal osprey]

Accessibility wise yellow is awful, so awful that I'm considering giving effects a different hue.

[light goblet]

(make it have no icon but golden color)

[fair canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992068833416331295/1016858788495630366/caption.gif

[spare anchor]

can i see the effects color guide

[light goblet]

Then make it the color of another gem like diamonds

[spare anchor]

so i can propose a different color

[light goblet]

That being very light blue / sort of gray almost

[autumn hamlet]

Magenta

[light goblet]

The color on its own doesnt matter, the concept does

[spare anchor]

black is something 2 consider considering that the roles get darker and darker

[tribal osprey]

The current one? Because I'm in the midst of reworking colors.

[spare anchor]

but imo it would look uli

[tribal osprey]

Can't, bad contrast.

[spare anchor]

so is effects color guide going to have clash with the gold star color

[tribal osprey]

Well gold star color would look more like a piss / poop mix.

[light goblet]

.

[light goblet]

Straight up honest

Be the coolest pissname in the server

[autumn hamlet]

If this was guilded it'd be easier because you can have gradient colors which is better for accessibility

[spare anchor]

what if we just do white

or can white users not see that

[tribal osprey]

Just so you guys are aware, I'm still not a fan of the gold and star aspect.

Currently what it looks like from my perspective.

2+ can vote.
3+ can earn.
Every month there is a vote for every creator category.
One role, 1 member from every creator category with the most votes get picked each month.

[autumn hamlet]

But colorblindness only leaves a tiny spectrum for you

[tribal osprey]

tada.

[autumn hamlet]

I'd say only star roles can vote for star roles still as it removes the original point of the role tbf

[tribal osprey]

Gradients are not better for accessibility. We need to be able to pick a role color per theme.

[tribal osprey]

That would earn a downvote from me.

[autumn hamlet]

They actually are blue -> green is very easy to see the difference for me

[light goblet]

How would you count the votes and duplicates when theres like 200+ s2+

Im assuming even more in other categories

[tribal osprey]

For you.

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah, one of the colorblind users in this discord

[tribal osprey]

Bots.

[autumn hamlet]

Ask some of the other colorblind users

(I'm sure there is more in RSC)

[tribal osprey]

There are a lot of colorblind users with different kinds of colorblindness, we can't accommodate all.

[light goblet]

Ok heres a maybe idea, let the higher ranked users have a slightly more powerful vote

[light goblet]

And a lot of types of colorblindness

[autumn hamlet]

Yay now we get into an American voting system

And why Meex should never be dictator of North Korea

[light goblet]

Complete, red, green, blue, combinations

[tribal osprey]

Why would I want to be a dictator of anything.

[spare anchor]

is this color fine

[autumn hamlet]

You're dictator of adding a piss colored role

[tribal osprey]

No

[spare anchor]

what options do we have

[tribal osprey]

^

But not a lot, since they would conflict with creator roles.

[autumn hamlet]

Can I choose one

[tribal osprey]

You guys can discuss further while im gone

[light goblet]

Ask the colorblind person to choose a role color

[spare anchor]

can we not do this

[light goblet]

Astonishing idea

[autumn hamlet]

This one

[spare anchor]

Diamond Star

[autumn hamlet]

(they all look the same to me I just randomly chose a blue lmfao)

[tribal osprey]

That's about 50 colors.

Every pixel is a different color.

[spare anchor]

pick something in that range

[autumn hamlet]

These ones have a difference

[tribal osprey]

I'm gonna explode.

Acedia is definitely pushing me towards a downvote ngl.

[autumn hamlet]

I only have 7% battery so I'll be out of your hair in a bit

[spare anchor]

can we do this color, people will know the difference since we literally have a star icon

[autumn hamlet]

Ha imagine literally being shit colored

Ok no I just plugged my phone I'm going to be here all night

[tribal osprey]

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[light goblet]

Are u really going to cancel an entire idea cause of two people that isnt even proposing it

[spare anchor]

they can see the star icon

[tribal osprey]

Trakktor.. cmon bro.

[tribal osprey]

I'm gonna chop someone's head off. No Yellow

[spare anchor]

dark yellow 🙄

[tribal osprey]

That's NOT BETTER

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[light goblet]

Light blue

[spare anchor]

thing is then you cant call the role gold star anymore

gotta be something else

[fair canopy]

dark purple

👌

[light goblet]

Diamond star

[autumn hamlet]

Any issue with my favorite color based on my favorite fruit bornana

[tribal osprey]

purple is limited to staff roles

[spare anchor]

Diamond star just too long

[autumn hamlet]

Why not orange

[fair canopy]

i forgor

[light goblet]

Water star idk man

[tribal osprey]

level roles

[autumn hamlet]

Wtf is a level role

[spare anchor]

chat roles

[autumn hamlet]

What

[spare anchor]

change chat roles then

[autumn hamlet]

Those still exist?

[light goblet]

Pissname roles

[spare anchor]

or we can

share it

[tribal osprey]

to what...

ngl you guys kinda pushing buttons

[autumn hamlet]

@tribal osprey can you restore my old xp

[spare anchor]

i am proposing ideas

[tribal osprey]

dms

[tribal osprey]

why not ditch the star

make it cute hand holding something

or something else

and name it something else

now im gonna be a pain

YES!

[autumn hamlet]

Yeah we should ditch the star if it's not meant for star roles

[tribal osprey]

it's not for star roles..

[spare anchor]

it doesnt even matter if orange clashes with level roles, people commonly have skill roles anyways that overwrite the color

[autumn hamlet]

HAND HELD SPOON FED BY ACEDIA ROLE

You're not going to have a chat role if you have a 3+ role

[tribal osprey]

hear me out, colorless role with a nice badge

[spare anchor]

whats the badge

3 stars?

[tribal osprey]

come up with something nice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

just not too detailed

[light goblet]

Make it more complex than the serbian flag combined with the croatian

[tribal osprey]

The Chosen One

[spare anchor]

double star

just rotated

like that

[tribal osprey]

verified badge

[light goblet]

Would be really cool if the saber matched the star role color but thatd reintroduce the 9 role problem sadly

[spare anchor]

Star of the month

Gold would still have been sexy

[light goblet]

Yes

[spare anchor]

wait what

thought only s3+ can earn it unless I read something wrong here

[spare anchor]

Either this, or just a double rotated star that's colorless

[autumn hamlet]

Can it just be a photo of the last supper

[tribal osprey]

yh

3 and above

[spare anchor]

ideally, best to have the role orange. Not much of a deal if it clashes with chat role

cause 90% of the server has skill roles anyways

[autumn hamlet]

only 3's can get the role

unless they get the role removed at the same time

which isn't really possible

[spare anchor]

what

also why would it be 3s

they arent even stars

[tribal osprey]

bcs its not a star role

not just for stars

if its just for stars its a no from me

[spare anchor]

stars will have a higher chance of getting elected anyways

so then you cant call the role star of the month

or gold star

gonna have to resort to the ugli "creator of the month" name

[autumn hamlet]

I would say limit voting to s3's too

[spare anchor]

seems too orange

can you make it lighter

[autumn hamlet]

I like it

Can I test run it

[spare anchor]

trying to think of a better name

[autumn hamlet]

Brilliant Creator

[tribal osprey]

The role doesn't make them brilliant

[autumn hamlet]

Can I test run it @tribal osprey !!!

[spare anchor]

I feel like creator just implies you might a outstanding creation

[tribal osprey]

no

[autumn hamlet]

Why not

For 10 seconds

[tribal osprey]

it doesn't exist

[autumn hamlet]

Did you not make it just now

[tribal osprey]

no, i'm a graphic designer

[spare anchor]

how about credible creator or something

[tribal osprey]

that would make them more trustable

[autumn hamlet]

THE MESSIAH

[spare anchor]

better idea

honorable creator

[autumn hamlet]

Why not just Elected Creator

[spare anchor]

._.

[autumn hamlet]

Easy to figure out, New users know what the role is and not complicated

[spare anchor]

can we do developer

instead of creator

[tribal osprey]

no

[autumn hamlet]

Elected Developer seems more fitting though

[spare anchor]

bro what

Honorable Dev

[tribal osprey]

im going to bed

[autumn hamlet]

Also how will you host the elections with all s3 and s4 devs, all b3 and b4 devs, all g3 and g4 devs, all s3 and s4 devs, all m3 and m4 devs, all e3 devs and e4 devs, all game design 3 and game design 4 devs, all c3 and c4 devs

[tribal osprey]

have fun!

don't ping me

[autumn hamlet]

You were the one that decided that 😛

[spare anchor]

ok we will host our own civil election in scripting

[autumn hamlet]

4th there is too many people lmao

[tribal osprey]

"don't ping me"

me want sleep

unless you gonna pay me

[autumn hamlet]

Then go to sleep

[light goblet]

[autumn hamlet]

Instead of checking your phone

Silent mode exists