Imperial troopers squad

[silent pollen]

I’m a new players at level 56 and was wondering which characters to choose for an imperial troopers squad, I already have moff gideon and dark trooper at level 50 and gear 6. Should I replace them and what should the other characters be?

[rancid fable]

Veers lead, piett, starck, range, Gideon(low gear).U want at least piett’s zeta.

[digital obsidian]

dark trooper instead of starck since u mentioned u have him already

[harsh barn]

I second dark trooper, really the backbone of the damage in the comp

Veers lead with piett and range is the non negotiable ones. After that dark trooper is the best 4th, and the 5th has a few good options. Either Gideon, stark, even snow if you want a real budget option, but would definitely go stark over snow 99% of the time

[rancid fable]

Dark trooper’s better, but since u only have him at g6 not at relic levels. I wouldn’t invest in him. The imperial troopers are no longer worth investing kyro tech into.

They are a good starting team and get u 2 assault battles, but they are not a team I would spend kyro tech or relics on (besides piett)

[harsh barn]

I reckon dark can do what you need for ABs at like g8

At least to ct2

But idk if id agree they aren't worth the relics. They're still putting in work for me

Cleanup crew in GAC at the very least

[rancid fable]

You don’t want to waste relics on a clean up crew. Especially as a new player. Both starck and dark trooper work great in AB but one takes 10* longer to get.

[harsh barn]

I mean it's really only one AB as you're probably using gar and isc for Forrest moon

But if we aren't investing relics, I'd still put dark above stark

Dark still does great damage pre kyro for most things

And if you're fast enough, it adds up

Using dark instead of Gideon is a no brainer

[silent pollen]

So should my imperial troopers squad be general veers, admiral piett, dark trooper, range trooper, and moff Gideon?

[scenic bolt]

Yeah that’s a good comp

[silent pollen]

Ok thanks for all the advice

[gloomy ferry]

there is no team without dark trooper

[gloomy ferry]

starck and gideon can be interchanged but yes

[rancid fable]

I’ll just leave this here… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQtAmNFwCj8&t=8230s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRFrgKH7GI

[digital obsidian]

u did NOT just send a nooch video

also it’s true, imperial troopers only become a real team with darktrooper

and they’re not a cleanup crew, not where you or OP are at

Carb-Bronze troopers are used in almost every round on offense to counter anything slower than them

[harsh barn]

I don't think there's anything wrong with noochs opinion, but he's looking at it from a optimisation perspective, wanting to save those kyros for other stuff, I wouldn't put yourself on the same timeline as a content creator who's aiming to rush to certain content when the team gains extra longevity with dark trooper, and it doesn't take much extra time

There seems to be a lot of nooch hate in this server lol, his takes are reasonable in context

Just has a different opinion or priority to some others

[digital obsidian]

that’s not true

most of his takes are terrible and majority of his advice will slow players accounts down rather than speed up growth

[harsh barn]

For example? I mean take his farming guide, thats very similar to ahnalds, which everyone preaches right up alongside songetas lol

I don't think every take is great, but as a whole, I wouldn't discourage people from much of it

[digital obsidian]

well the guide itself, the “path” isnt bad because of the reason that he piggybacks it from ahnald…

do you see his execution though? of his f2p “perfect” account? very far from perfect and he’s growing his account slow ASF

he is clueless in how most aspects of the game works, especially GAC 😂

[harsh barn]

Well to at least be fair/charitable, it was a common position many came to independently and just stuck around. As for execution, I agree calling it a perfect guide/account was a little click bait, because just like his Vader rush account, it was always going to be content first, meaning he holds back some things and tries other things out, but by no means is that his advice, he often gives disclaimers about those exact choices.

None of that is about how advice as much as it is about his own account, what about his advice he gives to his viewers is whack? Because frankly the biggest disagreement you really see is to do with the songeta path and going for exec+Jabba or endurance+Leia. Which is an ever evolving contention

Heck, he's actually benefitted a lot of people with his popularization of the gar isc forest moon ct3 tech

I wouldn't say nooch is the end all be all of player guide content by any means, but I would argue he's one of the best brand new beginner starting points, high entertainment, relatable, engaging clear basic rules to start thinking about the game deeper, from there you can expand a number of different ways into the wider zeitgeist, but he should by no means have his value discounted.

Sorry to unload a book on you, but with how consistently and militantly some have been disparaging his content, I really wanted to put it out in no uncertain terms lol

[gloomy ferry]

his advice is awful most of the time lmao

[harsh barn]

Real insightful...

[gloomy ferry]

?it’s true though

People get roster reviews and he just gives terrible advice

He’s the worst Swgoh content creator lol

[harsh barn]

Anything to back that claim up? I listed out why I think that's not the case

[gloomy ferry]

Yeah, if you go watch his videos and roster reviews, and then contrast it to everybody else’s videos and advice, and then apply common sense, and then look at what other people say, including high kyber

You will see that he consistently has the most dogshit of takes

[harsh barn]

That's such a nothing argument🤣 "other people said he's bad"

[gloomy ferry]

And you, the chrom 3 player, are the one guy saying he’s good

So your argument is MUCH better you’re correct

[harsh barn]

Ive watched plenty of his content, and while I don't agree with all of it, there's plenty of value for a new player there

[gloomy ferry]

As opposed to literally any other content creator

Who would have far better advice

[rancid fable]

I agree nooch is the worst content creator, my point was that there are many ways to complete the AB . Dark trooper makes the imperial troopers way better, but I would argue that imperial troopers are only useful to get AB done. There ability to beat real teams and provide long term benefits is limited

[gloomy ferry]

For players of all levels

[harsh barn]

Yea except I'm not just appealing to authority, I'm listing rational arguments

[gloomy ferry]

ITs are amazing on offense until mid auro

They take out practically any team you outspeed

You only really stop finding a use for them once you’re between auro-kyber

Tho even there I took out teams with them every now and then

[harsh barn]

Did you even read what I wrote above??

[gloomy ferry]

Yeah, and I’m saying why would you go for him when there are other content creators that are just better

Or actually just good even

[harsh barn]

Because a strong intro point is important, and his advice for very new players is accessible and easy to digest, let's you wrap your head around the basics and gets you thinking in the right direction

[gloomy ferry]

Other content creators do that too without sucking ass at the game

Anyway I’m not boutta debate Nooch #1 fan

Said my piece about ITs

I recommend you build them because they’re useful till low kyber/high auro

You have a good day

[harsh barn]

Like, a lot of his takes are generally accepted things, his farming guide is very similar to others, his packaging is the real value, not his deep understanding

[elder summit]

Ab?

[harsh barn]

Assault battle

[elder summit]

Ty

Are they even worth farming if you are new? You need them for r2 ik but besides that? Exept veers and piet

[rancid fable]

The reason nooch sucks is the following:

• He just copied what everyone else says or looks at Swgoh.gg
• he spreads himself thin playing way to many accounts
• he doesn’t read character kits so he doesn’t understand what’s going on.
• his play style shows very little creativity.

I’ll concede that imperial troopers can have long term benefits, but when I think of things imps beat, I also think of other teams that better fit into other farms.
There has been a move away from imperial troopers. With xaereth, and songeta discrediting them, and I think this is the reason why.

[lucid summit]

They are very solid for AB I will also say and not the worst in GAC

And 3 of them are needed for GLs/GL ships

[surreal fulcrum]

I stopped watching him it was clear he couldn't be bothered to understand game mechanics. Embarrassing as a content creator not understand VIP. Especially since he was including it in a video on annoying teams.
I'd give him credit for being better on very early game decisions because most end game streamers have no clue (don't run alt accounts actively - I would put Ahnald in this category). However, once you get settled into mid game just turn him off.

[hoary shard]

Troopers are good until kyber 2 I think. They can beat lots of teams including dr malak bsf which is common before kyber 2. They function as a gl cleanup team later. They are good in hard conquest if there’s entrenched disks. I still think they are good for early game esp. if one is going for executor.

Loquitur used to be the best for new players. A pity he retired