Kingsfall (2026)

[turbid umbra]

YES

At this rate imma be running 200 a day for the next month to grab the poua

[iron forum]

Use salmon, ruairc, buff and candle For dungeon

[turbid umbra]

I am, +monumental spec

Except salmon

[iron forum]

Rarer monster amity?

[turbid umbra]

I just use full ruairc armor and candle

[turbid umbra]

Sooooooo, I checked the shop everyday for the entire month and never even saw a single one

[iron forum]

I remember someone actually reach 150 by doing dungeon.

[wanton relic]

Candles and rare monster amity affect dungeons and monuments?

[turbid umbra]

How the fuck, it's only been a day😭

[iron forum]

For previous event

[turbid umbra]

Oh

[earnest oriole]

That amity only affets world spawns

[cold smelt]

Farming event monsters best to worst:

1. Monuments
2. Horde dungeons
3. World

[turbid umbra]

Well yeah that's how it's very for me every other event lol

[polar solar]

Guys raids give XP (and some of them give memories as well)

[iron forum]

But someone tested it and think it might affect World spawn buildings.

[polar solar]

Arisen balin finesse and hippo give memories

This is actually a raiding event (for those who want it to be)

[cold smelt]

Unfortunately(?) if you have any memories and some torment levels, the event monuments are basically self sufficient. So farming memories is almost irrelevant

[polar solar]

Memories give hippo scrolls

[red urchin]

If ragnarok PoUA was achievable, there’s no reason to complain about this one imo. Farm monuments -> kill raids and you’ll be there in no time

[polar solar]

Rag PUA was often achieved because overflow kingdom damage xp bug

[red urchin]

I achieved it without using the bug

Just had to blow through my entire stack of scrolls

[polar solar]

Anyway this is a raiding event for those who want to raid

[turbid umbra]

I dislike raiding high hp raids with beo due to the fact its literally just rolling dice

[polar solar]

Cursed king is 50xp each

[turbid umbra]

Is that max?

[polar solar]

At agony like 35

Appears to be yes same XP at 35, and 43

[red urchin]

33 is minimum level that gives 50

[turbid umbra]

It was 50 at when I did 35 but I have yet to attempt 41

[turbid umbra]

Oh ok

[polar solar]

Ah thx bordo i only tried 43 then 37 then 35

Hippo has lower HP now so it's far far far easier to do at higher agony btw

Like base 9.8m

[earnest oriole]

Hippo hits like a truck

[red urchin]

Didn’t realize hippo got nerfed

But yea, hits much harder than the king

So it’s high risk high reward

[turbid umbra]

1. It hits like a truck, 2.its physically impossible to do as solo beo at high anguish😂

[earnest oriole]

Just hop on rs real quick to kill hippo

[turbid umbra]

I accidentally summoned like 15 at anguish 30 and had to get someone on another class to help me

[turbid umbra]

This was before I checked the codex and saw stasis immunity😭

[earnest oriole]

Fey yeti mostly shuts down king cuz fire/lightning immunities yea?

[polar solar]

well i mean it depends on the class, AL build and so on i guess. hippo is bad for BeoA iirc

[merry shuttle]

Gotta get that fey gerd/arisen fey myrmidon set

[polar solar]

was terrible like all full hp raids for GS, now it's good

we need under 95m hp because BP3 damage is capped

[merry shuttle]

tanking it with lindworm raiding

[turbid umbra]

Not bad, straight up unkillable

[turbid umbra]

Sometimes I wish I mained summoner😂

[polar solar]

ye and take 1 hour for ang 35 king

[turbid umbra]

What build is that?

[turbid umbra]

That's like 10 times faster than beo😂

[polar solar]

at al 252? you have no idea sorry

[turbid umbra]

Well I'm playing al215

[polar solar]

Gsh build vs the king

[turbid umbra]

And besides don't ya run shackled?

[polar solar]

and how do you take more than 1 min for any raid

[polar solar]

no, i want max speed

ah wait you don't duo with alt all raids ok

[iron forum]

Where's your mag+++?

[polar solar]

? lugus but also gsh passive

[turbid umbra]

It's beoA, I take however long my follower wants me to take

If prom wants to waste its time spamming titan seal/strike there's nothing I can do

[polar solar]

no i mean beoA with developed alt is insanely faster than all other classes not even vaguely close vs all raids that aren't stasis or towerfall immune

like it's a joke vs all opther classes, more than 2x faster than the second fastest, you can start redlined and so on

i am talking al 200 doing a morris ang 45 in 30 sec structurally hundreds in a row

[turbid umbra]

Is there something I'm missing? 😂

[polar solar]

an alt with agony 45

if you solo it's "only strong" , there with gs high al and deity then it depends on the exact raid

[rare trout]

I took a minute or two with tank towerfall on pre-nerf last chicken at shackled 22 in my last batch of kills.

[polar solar]

solo, shackled

talking duo unshackled

high al

[rare trout]

how is it taking longer when unshackled, duo or not?

[polar solar]

faster, 1 mninut

[turbid umbra]

No, it takes longer when shackled

[polar solar]

1 minute is infinite time

1 min for a raid is uber slow

[rare trout]

I'm super confused at the "it takes 10x long for beoa" comments.

[polar solar]

its uber slow at agony 40 i mean, this is a game where you kill 1k ++ raids in a raiding month

[rare trout]

above agony 32 I can understand, below that it seems weird.

[polar solar]

eh it was justice talking cursed king 35, and i think he is wrong

[turbid umbra]

Because prom decides how long the raid should take lmao

[rare trout]

cursed king doesn't seem to be stasis immune, so I'm even more confused.

[polar solar]

beoa manages higher agony BETTER because pet scales better than all other classes... except gs bp

he doesnt duo i think

[turbid umbra]

I know, my prom hits harder than your summoner (shackled even) but he is by no means consistently using towerfall

[merry shuttle]

Show build in beowulf channel, I need to clear like 400 of them

[polar solar]

1min 10 sec for agony 35 (ye maybe some lag, no vulcan no demeter shrine, no conq buff) is REALLY SLOW guys (At al 252)

[rare trout]

Sure, let me get out of a meeting.

[red urchin]

When I wanted to farm all Great Anguish drops, I HoCd to Beo to use BeoA. That’s how much better that is at agony raiding 😅

[turbid umbra]

And also this is post nerf so raids can just randomly hit you if they feel like it

[rare trout]

That time is also quite slow since I didn't have proper anguished follower stats stuff, it's improved since then.

[woeful basin]

Let's keep this discussion event related please

[polar solar]

i did at lower agony then used the demont tools (After the game started offering them monthly)

[polar solar]

ok so raiding was kinda event related, anyway the point is depending on your class, AL and gear event XP can be farmed smoothly with raids

[turbid umbra]

We're talking about doing event raids on high agony for ap farming?

[polar solar]

which is something i hadn't seen discussed before so i thought made sense to discuss within the event

[woeful basin]

My bad then, keep going 🙂

[polar solar]

in particular given whole May we "had to" do monuments, in the sense it was mandatory for ornaversary, and more efficient for apo event in general

so for people who can switch to raiding, and want a lot of event xp, that's an option this event fortunately

[turbid umbra]

Ngl, im fine with all the monuments, great guild farm

[polar solar]

the minimonu are great, can play 5 min do 4, get mnemonic from proof of mon, free proof of torment, eod drops (btw it appears the minimonu eod are "hard", superior + guaranteed) and the new superraid

[teal pike]

given cursed king pendulus was coolest thing devs did

[polar solar]

but it's not "mandatory" to do minimonu only that's what i am saying (especially if you had stashed hippo scrolls from the past)

[turbid umbra]

Now they just need to make a fishing event

[polar solar]

actually only thing missing is an event using the battleground dungeons, something snow related

[turbid umbra]

I lost all motivation to actually fish due to the leaderboard just being 40% composed of bots

[merry shuttle]

All monuments are "hard" mode

[polar solar]

ah lol never noticed before

maybe because i never had several end of monument screen rewards in quick succession like that

[iron forum]

5-4????

[polar solar]

waaat

what's resurgence bonus?

[cold smelt]

The thing that was already on the boots

[austere axle]

Bonus stats when Shadowmancy and Low HP

[cold smelt]

"Low HP -> Stats: %"

[iron forum]

Pact bonus is literally better than amity now.

[granite sage]

yes this was what i was wondering as well

[polar solar]

amity has always been unplayable though

[granite sage]

were they too mat positive?

[cold smelt]

Yes

[polar solar]

they were breakeven at 0 zerk, mat positive with zerks

[iron forum]

Ya

[granite sage]

aw okay thanks for clarification

so zerk is maybe breakeven, non-zerk is key negative

mat negative whatever

[polar solar]

hippo from 70 to 100; merlin scroll 80 , no arisen merlin available though

unless the t6 scroll can summon t6 or t9 but i don't think so

[stuck sphinx]

Lol went from 70 to 100

[granite sage]

hippo on par for price vs arthur assuming you get no mats from lake and only one crest per boss?

otherwise hippo potentially 3x more expensive than arthur, removing time invested to farm lakes

[iron forum]

What's a turn delay?

[granite sage]

when a turn is delayed

[golden thorn]

it does

[granite sage]

no jk lol like Delay Strikes etc, i think it enhances that chance?

[merry shuttle]

What delay strike does basically

[polar solar]

ah ok then maybe it's better to say than in the description odie just saying

[iron forum]

Oh.....

Pact amity need a buff if the adorn is almost the same.

[polar solar]

for cerus which is t6 scroll it sdoesn't say "summon a Cerus" it sayis "summon a projection of one of the crimson warrior" so it implies all tiers

[polar solar]

pact amity should be like flask and apex at 20%

or at least the 12% of collateral

[iron forum]

Even 10% is good enough buff.

[turbid umbra]

What the fuck

4 floors????

That's 2 floor of actual gameplay

[polar solar]

faster superraid

[granite sage]

the floors were in fact, too juicy and buttery

[teal pike]

lmao

[granite sage]

potentially could turn 1 lake into 1.5 lakes if you had zerks spawn etc

[iron forum]

You got your wish.

[teal pike]

my wish was to convert crest

[north nebula]

Less floor, so less event enemies. same cost per.....

[teal pike]

and devs said that it wouldn't happen

[kindred cedar]

"Severause's Cabochon: increased pact bonus to 3.5%" -> not good enough? 😄

[north nebula]

the only cost adjustment I see is that the birdhorse dude is now more expensive

[iron forum]

Your wish is to make it easier.

[teal pike]

add 1 or 2% chain chance

[polar solar]

harder sustain pushing us to play also something else, but faster super raid access, imo is just better

[iron forum]

Not a horse

[polar solar]

if one loop is too efficient vs all the rest it's just worse

[teal pike]

then I'm happy

[north nebula]

they reduced the super raid access or raised the crest drop?

[teal pike]

that wasn't my wish exactly ig I'm bad at expressing myself

[polar solar]

no it's the same

[north nebula]

I see....

[polar solar]

so you get crests faster (one less floor is a lot)

[iron forum]

None.

[polar solar]

you "convert" the memories into crtests faster

[north nebula]

yeahhhhhhhhhh

[turbid umbra]

So now you can turn 1 lake into .3 lakes

[north nebula]

horray

[polar solar]

but you need sources of memories from outside allowing raids or dungeons or regular dungeons or world

[turbid umbra]

If you're lucky

[polar solar]

just healthier

[teal pike]

i wanted to farm one knight and pay same crest to get raid summon

[north nebula]

event mob density outside of the special monument was not great, but I havent tried in a while

[teal pike]

that wouldn't happen

[polar solar]

that's a diff topic, odie wants you to farm all 4

[north nebula]

yeah I am not putting in question farming all 4

[rare trout]

Since there was an adjustment to the vallhallan/summoner weapon adorn, I may as well just say this: NF, can you do the Valhallans a favor and stop giving follower act as a bonus on new valhallan-centric items?

[teal pike]

yeah ik

[north nebula]

the only lever i could see is them droping more crest, but they can already drop up to 3

[tough zinc]

Whats that turn delay thingie?

[teal pike]

4

[polar solar]

up to 4

[teal pike]

if that vial thing summoned avalon beast for 1 hour or something it would be lot better

[polar solar]

pact adorn at 3.5% because playable in gsh

[teal pike]

I'm bored of doing monuments

[turbid umbra]

At this point why not just make them 2 floors?

[teal pike]

2% chain chance 👀

[teal pike]

don't say that

[turbid umbra]

Yes

Just make all monuments 2 floors

[earnest oriole]

Omg the gear update is great. I'm legitimately excited to try them now. You're the best 💙

[patent vortex]

Cursed coward head losing crit damage makes me sad.

[merry shuttle]

Honestly, would be nice to farm sup+ eod rewards

[polar solar]

@cold smelt lost the twilight stones though 🙁

[merry shuttle]

Still on the t8 one

[turbid umbra]

I still have no idea what to farm from the event lmao, haven't seen any gear that catches my eye

[polar solar]

it doesn't feel like a "must farm" event, but tehre are plenty of interesting new things then xp is always there like every event; but if this iteration doesn't feel too necessary for beo you can play casually till queens are back

i am loving the minimonu even more now 4 floors is so awesome

[turbid umbra]

Also wdym by faster superraids? Wouldn't this make it slower since you're now required to farm monuments or dungeons in between event monuments?

[polar solar]

assuming you were going to do some hippos and raids for xp regardless, this is faster

if you inteded to fully focus all event on minimonu only no then slight nerf

[turbid umbra]

Well as a beo Hippo is a pain in the ass

[polar solar]

ye we covered this topic above lol

[patent vortex]

Let see if it gets added back to t10 or removed from t8

That was the only piece of gear I was interested in, none of the weapons or mage gear seem even worth using

[polar solar]

btw it's 25 memories so 10 event encounter (1-4 each so 2.5 avg); last floor gives memories so 9, 3 per encounter so 3 encounters = 1 minimonu. you get like 1 per floor expected more or less, so doing one outside monu allows to shfulle through like 12 minimonu; minimal outside play is needed still if you want to focus on mini-monus, and that's without zerks from anguish

[near sedge]

Can we up the event mob rate in lakes since we decreased the floors?

[iron forum]

No .

[patent vortex]

Doubtful

[iron forum]

I know u like farming nonstop.

Hahaha

[turbid umbra]

Sadly no

So now we get less floors and shit rates

[near sedge]

they not vial positive now I bet 🙁

[turbid umbra]

Yeah like 3 vials=1 vial now

[red urchin]

I think that was the point of the change 😅

[prisma laurel]

Net zero was nice.

[turbid umbra]

Apparently this makes farming the super raid faster somehow

[red urchin]

It wasn’t net zero, it was very positive 😅

[red urchin]

Faster monuments, more crests, more raids?

Just need to make sure you have a steady supply of memories

[turbid umbra]

It was around 1-1.3 per monu

[red urchin]

The fallen king aspect is still positive, while the vial isn’t. Ideal scenario imo

[turbid umbra]

Slower raids bc you now have to farm several monuments and dungeons in between

[magic holly]

do ygs know what the origin town theme looks like if u unlock the archpath

[turbid umbra]

Making the monument 13 seconds faster isn't gonna change anything😂

[polar solar]

this is just not true

[rare trout]

What is the event mob presence in horde dungeons looking like?

[turbid umbra]

Very, very slow

[woeful basin]

What

[polar solar]

8-10 per solo with 100% salmon, 7 avg normal

[rare trout]

Wow that is bad.

[polar solar]

normal monuments are far far far far better than dungeons

or you kill some finesse and balin

[magic holly]

nvm i figured it out

[polar solar]

it's 13 memories per finesse/balin

kingdom arisen balin counts as well for those with stashes of korns btw

but it's 5.5

[chilly wing]

Yeah it doesn't seem like the intent is for this to be another dungeon farming event, the other mechanisms are more appealing. This is ok imo

[rare trout]

That isn't worth korn

Not with 3 sisters around the corner

[turbid umbra]

Ngl I'll probably skip the poua this event

I have 5 left over from the appolyon event anyway

[vivid ruin]

My lobsters too juicy

😭

[red urchin]

I do think event spawn density in dungeons should be adjusted

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i just dont do dungeons because they dont show up

Even with monumental spec on

[rare trout]

Agreed. I'm fine with monuments being good, but non-event monuments shouldn't blow horde dungeons out of the water.

[turbid umbra]

Especially comparing it to the appolyon event

[polar solar]

might have been adjusted in these patches but no1 is doing dungeons to test my numbers were from the first 2 hours

[turbid umbra]

Appolyon having almost the entire floor with event enemies that give up to 4 times the xp of this event's mobs

Even titans and giants have like twice as many spawns

[polar solar]

if dungeons aren't top for everything that's better, it's a nerf to alts

[rare trout]

They don't need to be at the top, just average.

[polar solar]

if you do say 6 or 8 dungeons

[turbid umbra]

I would love more events to farm boss hordes lol

[polar solar]

then you can look minimonu for a while just try it

[turbid umbra]

There's like 3 rn

[polar solar]

*you can loop

[covert mountain]

brotha I don't get it, the only few positives you noted here got removed.. what the hell?? why did we loose the 15% Cd?

[turbid umbra]

Fr?

Yeah I think I'm done farming the super raid

[merry shuttle]

It's still on the t8 kingdom raid

No ward though

[covert mountain]

yes, the only usable rs piece went to the sh*tter with the rest of the gear

[sweet meteor]

Should I just start a Heretic thread or something for this event? There's been 0 responses about the mage gear concerns

[teal pike]

your threads are fun to read so go ahead

[sweet meteor]

I'm gonna imagine that this was a compliment

[iron forum]

But having chance to gain extra turn for all physical skill is imba.

[sweet meteor]

It's a nice thought

[earnest oriole]

We got resurgence on all pieces and delay chance, I'm fine with losing crit damage for having an actual class bonus. I do think the numbers need to be tweaked to be more impactful, but its a start

The resistance is still pretty low when spells are our main pain points and 12% isn't great on its own, would've still liked the 20% but I can understand how that'd get out of hand

[near sedge]

Yeah like you make the lakes faster but now you need to do normal monuments to stock up... GIve me the 5 floors back that were vial positive is going to save real time or adjust the spawn rate in 4 floors.

[iron forum]

No

You done your farming.

🤡

[near sedge]

I hate that this game has become a farming simulator every month also.

[sweet meteor]

I wish, I'd love farming in Orna

Have my little citizens water some crops

[golden thorn]

vial positive is just not ideal - why have a cost if it's going to be invalidated after one run?

[iron forum]

I propose a mini sim

[red urchin]

Would adjusting the spawn rates in dungeons be on the table? I initially tried stacking currency through that but even with Ruairc + monumental I was still getting terrible spawn rates

I think dungeons for memories -> lake -> raids would be a more interesting gameplay loop

[cold smelt]

Here's a peak behind the scenes: I do not know the metas around mages, and neither does Dangy. Initial pre-launch changes were made after prompting by Konq (our resident ORN Heretic), and at least for the time being there hasn't been another ORN familiar with Heretic taking charge.

There hasn't been a consolidation of what direction to take changes to the Heretic gear, so I don't think there's been a specific push for specific changes.

That isn't to say changes won't happen (the event started only 25 hours ago), just that unlike the thief gear there hasn't been directed consolidated feedback.

[sweet meteor]

I've given feedback but there was no response

[cold smelt]

It's sounding like Heretic gear is now the only stuff with complaints, so that really should be what we can consolidate next I'd hope.

[covert mountain]

I just don't see how a class locked avidity and 12% resurgence is better than flat 15% usable by all classes. You went and extensively explained that the gear could get a little love, what we got was a change that feels more like a nerf.

My point of view is from the non-RS perspective. From Beo/Deity standpoint, there is almost no point in farming the ultimate raid.

[cold smelt]

At least the Rhongomiant was fixed to have Tier 10 stats

[copper hill]

we definitely are ok changing up the mage gear, but there's not really any consensus showing from the crowd yet.
there's complaints about it being bad, but no real established direction

Konq likely busy at work etc, may come in with some stuffs when you guys get the ideas flowing ;)

[sweet meteor]

Oh good - at first glance it is still essentially useless though

[copper hill]

useless isn't fair, it's more that you guys have BL2 which makes other things less attractive

[earnest oriole]

I don't want to sound harsh, but my concerns are only for RS and how the thief gear benefits RS. We've been wanting gear that benefits our class for sometime and Odie double downed on the effect.

[copper hill]

imo, BL2 is too much 😅

[sweet meteor]

No flask power, the flask charge on defeat is made pointless by the fact that it is 2-handed

[cold smelt]

My current heretic understanding:

Hood - Not meta. Powerful but worse in the builds that would use the Yelm Headrobe
Robe - Just 20% dark damage isn't ideal for a rare expensive drop
Boots - ???

[teal pike]

all i want is some chain chance (1 or 2%)on the pact adorns

[umbral shuttle]

Delay turn chance is the best about the change to the gear

[iron forum]

Wait what fixed?

[cold smelt]

It no longer has the same magic as the T8 base game raid staff, and has ward

[sweet meteor]

I'm not looking at it for AoE, I'm looking at the stats it has and the builds it could be used for. There's nothing really unfortunately

[merry shuttle]

Has same magic as the Excalibur and Shotel have attack, so 1850 mag at 200% godforged

[sweet meteor]

And it got negative stats for some reason lol

[cold smelt]

What's your thought on this that's been brought up several times:

Make King's Wrath dark element and up it's damage a bit

[teal pike]

@merry shuttle can you please tell me what you find wrong with chain chance suggestion?

[copper hill]

yep, existing mage gear sure is hard to sidegrade from!
Get some ideas flowing, come to some consensus and it helps us immensely

[sweet meteor]

I already threw ideas out there, but received no responses

[merry shuttle]

Not related to valhallan/summoner class or pacts in general in any way. You can't just ask for free hypa 2 horde usage buffs

[sweet meteor]

Dark element would be better for heretic for sure. I haven't tested the damage but the AoE ability is not very relevant due to BL2 so idk

[teal pike]

it's related to gsh wdym

[sweet meteor]

The Rhongomiant would be 1000% more useful as a 1-handed weapon

[red urchin]

I still have complaints about being able to stack 40% ward bypass as well 😅

[teal pike]

🤔

[merry shuttle]

Chain chance is not related to gsh "identity" in any way, you guys just prefer that gear

[earnest oriole]

Well now we can stack bypass and delay your turn in conq attack (:

[sweet meteor]

The t8 Rhongomiant is more useful than the cursed version

[cold smelt]

I'm responsible for suggesting a bow with a 100% ward bypass offhand skill during the last community competition so I need to hear more people concerned about it to add it to the ORN Feedback, sorry 😅

[teal pike]

that kheper staff and some previous attempts to make chain chance work for gsh says it's indeed part

it's not overpowered too 😀

[red urchin]

Im really happy to see RS get some love finally, but I really don’t think people are considering just how meta warping it can potentially be

[iron forum]

With the buff to cursed rho*, I might need to try it out. Did the offhand aoe buff too?

[cold smelt]

But truly I haven't seen anyone other than you mention it Bordo

If other people are concerned as well I can add it

[iron forum]

It's gonna change BOF.

[covert mountain]

Btw I find it really funny that Odie changed the Windtamer cost from 70 to 100, but kept the Broceliande Candle at 50, which prior to the event update, was costing the equivalent of 30 windtamers. 🤡

[red urchin]

I think it’s either because my stupid brain is always on “wait, this is going to screw me in PvP” or because people still haven’t been able to actually use the gear and realize its potential

[covert mountain]

didn't he forget a 0?

[rare trout]

Your brain is definitely not stupid for saying that, we just had an entire delay reduction in crimson festival

[merry shuttle]

That's because that weapon was specifically designed for that purpose, this adornment is supposed to be a shared piece for valhallan and summoners. It's unrealistic to just get a free BiS adornment for a different use case from something that wasn't even designed with that use case in mind

[golden thorn]

most followers are just gold/orns - what is the concern?

[teal pike]

honestly is that adorn good for beos?

[golden thorn]

are they meta? do they need to be more expensive than a super raid?

[teal pike]

i thought it's for gsh

[cold smelt]

People feel a little cheated that they "wasted" lots of windtamer scrolls to get it in previous years

[golden thorn]

survivor bias should not be a reason we can't improve events

[cold smelt]

Steward Pegasus is a meta live PvP pet, Steward Gwyllgi is really really good for RS corvus thanks to Critical Poise.

[covert mountain]

the event folowers felt rare, we used to sacrifice many windtamers to get them, only for other ppl to get them for free now :/

[merry shuttle]

None of the gear in this event is good for beo ngl, in fact I'd dare say they're all bad, but this is more about the reason behind the creation of the gear rather than it being good for a class or not (cough mage gear is still not that good for mages despite being made for them cough)

[golden thorn]

okay, so this is survivor bias, correct?

there's no other reason to make them super expensive?

[cold smelt]

I tend to be in the minority here among RS players, but every time I've brought up +Resurgence I've seen no reason to make it be classline-specific.

Realmshifter has High Tenacity, even if other classes can utilize +resurgence for some fun it'll be RS that always does it best. (This is relevant for base Beo and BeoA mainly)

[iron forum]

I miss the days where VD is just black screen.

[iron forum]

Someone try it on heretic lol.

[red urchin]

Second chance + redline is already a busted combo. Giving “resurgence” gear access to non RS classes would just multiply that further imo

[rare trout]

I can admit that I am mildly annoyed that I farmed 2k materials for 4 candles long ago, but I will live. It's mostly because I'm 310 hippos in and have no ornate windtamer boots

The HP nerf honestly makes up for it.

Those candles were way overpriced earlier anyways.

[covert mountain]

I think Gwyllgi is great follower, top in pvp offense. The reason to make him more expensive would be that he is really good..? and now costs less than Lesser Slime.

[iron forum]

That's why I never really take part in that event.

[rare trout]

Well, they were. Now they are not.

[covert mountain]

I get it, just feels weird

[sweet meteor]

Proposed changes to Heretic gear:

• Hood: Add either flask power or elemental weakness (dark damage could be removed), or remove all the negative stats
• Robe: Give it flask power or elemental weakness. It's also missing the flask charge stat for some reason.
• Boots: remove some of the negatives
• All 3 items above could potentially get a significant boost to flask charge rate (5% is basically useless), make them higher than beguiled apollyon gear. This could be in lieu of some of the above changes.
• Cursed Rhongomiant: add flask power AND elemental weakness to it (it would still be less damage for Omniflask than a single t5 scholar's chargeblade). Alternatively, remove all drawbacks and make it one-handed like its T8 counterpart (which is currently more useful than t10 version)

[umbral shuttle]

The same as you wanting immunity break on summoner too, of course your summons are weaker is because you use pants

[golden thorn]

i'm glad you find it a great follower. now you can afford it without losing out on too many raids 🙂

[merry shuttle]

I mean, even then it would only really be deity and maybe heretic corvus benefitting from that change. The gear isn't even tanky enough for beo/beoA to use for turtle builds. I'm gonna be completely honest when I say I actually have 0 hope or belief that any of this gear will reach a state it's actually useful or can even be considered a sidegrade for beo

[teal pike]

heyyyyy

1% chain chance isn't that much

if only gsh gonna use it make it good for gsh

[merry shuttle]

Give warrior gear chain chance just to make plague angry please

[teal pike]

i wouldn't get angry on other class buff wdym

[cold smelt]

I hope the theme of a Ragnarok rework is chain chance, because that might mean it gets reworked to not be unreliably bad for non-Hyrdus Pact purposes

But it does need to be Chain Chance (Non-Summoner), of course

[teal pike]

rn chain chance is just a chance of hitting additional opponent

what more is needed?

[cold smelt]

No MrPlague, I really really wish that was the case 🙁

[woven magnet]

40% ward bypass whats the issue there (not sarcastic)

[teal pike]

huh?

can you explain

[cold smelt]

Hydrus Pact works differently than Chain Chance does in any other circumstance

[sweet meteor]

Flask Power (Warrior)

[teal pike]

also i got called Mr Plague 😀 (usually i get called plague so formal tone make me sound cool XD)

[teal pike]

it doesn't hit additional opponent?

[orchid wyvern]

Does lakes stay usable even outside event? Do we have any info on that?

[cold smelt]

Real quick, then we get back to Kingsfall discussion.

Chain chance is the additive chance that your attack will roll a 50% chance to hit an additional enemy. 100% chain chance means that you will always roll that 50/50 to hit an additional enemy however it will still be extremely unreliable.

When used alongside an already chaining ability, the math falls apart completely and you can only hit 3 enemies if were going to already hit 2 enemies with the attack that normally chains.

Hydrus pact has special code in it to make Chain Chance work differently than it does for any other skill/spell in the game.

[rocky cipher]

we do

[teal pike]

so if i understood it right other if cc is used with other chain spell /skill it will only hit single additional opponent (or only hit 3 opponents)

[cinder basalt]

I support these changes. Would be nice to have new event gear actually be viable instead of just acquiring for novelty.

[cold smelt]

No

[iron forum]

It's a dark theme though, dark damage should stay. The negative too.
Adding elemental weakness shows that it is a King's item.
Weakness works like a passive aura.

All 3 armour should have an elemental weakness or flask power then with dark damage.

Cursed Rho * AOE offhand power should be similar to arcane AOE.
800 is too low tbh. Despair offhand power is 2000.

[teal pike]

i again proved my dumbness 😔

[cold smelt]

If you have 100% chain chance and use Cleave:

1. The game rolls 50/50 for you to hit a second opponent (Cleave is a chained skill)

• If you fail this check, you hit one enemy
• If you pass this check, move to step 2

2. The game rolls 50/50 for you to hit a third opponent (100% chain chance)

• If you fail this check, you hit two enemies
• If you pass this check, you hit three enemies

50/50 may not be entirely correct per the testing I did, but that's the gist of it

[teal pike]

how many opponents cleave hit without cc

[pastel spruce]

is the rare encounter amity working in a monument to have more kingfall monsters pls?

[cold smelt]

1 or 2

[lean ember]

Adding my 2c - I am actually most interested in side-grades. Omniflask has been an extremely fun build to optimize, and it'd be great to find another cool niche using the toys we have.

A pet project we've had (primarily GoodyPhil; credit where credit is due) is to figure out a way to make Bloodray into a raiding tool. Stacking a more substantial amount of flask charge % with flask power would allow for this build. Goody Phil can probably get us specific numbers thanks to their calculator.

[cold smelt]

No:

1. That amity doesn't work in monuments
2. Kingsfall enemies are "common" rarity - you can see this in the codex

[teal pike]

oh i finally understand the issue

[sweet meteor]

You'd be the second one to do that

(Knight is the first)

[pastel spruce]

thanks, that makes sense 😄 (was asking for a friend, i didnt do it 🤣 , hi @pseudo widget )

[cold smelt]

My name would be something about chain chance if it didn't require a large rewrite of game code. The code for Sands of Aaru working the way it used to is literally already in the game files so that one is a quick easy fix and I just want it back 😢

So that takes priority lol

[teal pike]

if cc worked after chain skill calculation is completed then it can be fixed (I'm very sure I expressed myself very bad)

[cold smelt]

If chain chance could be boosted to be reliable we wouldn't need all these dang full AoE-fests

[sweet meteor]

Higher flask charge would definitely be useful here. I could try to come up with a reasonable number but you are correct that if the gear doesn't also have flask power, it's moot.

I think Bloodray's only hope of competing with Omniflask as a raiding tool is to have enough built-in flask charge to regain 1+ flask per cast of Shadowed factionstrike

[lean ember]

I'd second that

[teal pike]

rn chain chance can only hit one additional opponent right? (no hypothetical scenario where cc is more than 100 or something)

[lean ember]

And competing could still be "omniflask is better but this is different/you can get this while you wait" kind of deal

[teal pike]

also use cc instead of chain chance because it's ez

[cold smelt]

This really isn't the place to discuss chained chance since this event has none of it. But yes

[lean ember]

Omniflask requires pieces from many different events to really sing

[sweet meteor]

So if this gear is meant to have dark damage and flask charge, bump the charge up and also give it some flask power

[lean ember]

Other thoughts: mirroring the bonus to resurgence Thief line gets, the gear could have a bonus to blue lining that is exclusive to heretic. That would give the gear a niche in dungeons

Would also serve to distinguish Cursed Rhongomiant from Yelm Staff

[teal pike]

I'm not rs or mage but this sounds cool

[void leaf]

As a gilg player, I feel left out that the melee 2h dont get to apply Dark Sigils, but the mage options do

[lean ember]

We'll trade you that for some elemental weakness damage

gladly

[near sedge]

Balancing high ward builds

[iron forum]

1. Add either flask power/elemental weakness while dark damage and negative stat stays.

2. Cursed Rho* AOE should be similar to Despair offhand AOE power at 2000.
   One is a super raid, another is a boss.
   At least it should have higher power to King's Rage physical AOE with cri.

[teal pike]

as i summoner i feel left out because aside from pact adorn there isn't much (and pact adorn i lacking chain chance)

as a status player I'm still sad about nerf on status adorn

[teal pike]

ik it wasn't live so not technically a nerf

[woven magnet]

Right, its not an issue haha

[tough seal]

me still not knowing how Flasks work outside of Manaray, blood loss in Base Hera Endless and Bloodray/Manaray strictly on Offense Hcorvus.

I trust our non-ORN heretic think tankers on these proposals to gear changes to make things unique, useful, and fun.

[lean ember]

that's almost the entirety of it

[sweet meteor]

Inflection is cool, it lasts longer with more flask power

[cold smelt]

to make things unique, useful, and fun.
Yes, but what about 'balanced'? lol

[lean ember]

Bloodray is near to being useful in endless (fixing a weird interaction with flask on defeat might make it jump to useful). Inflection is really nice, especially with Fey Pearls.
And Omniflask became the primary raiding tool once scholar's chargeblade came out.

Oh, and how can one forget - Ara Vestaga with HAra and sigilflask

[sweet meteor]

Wdym near to being useful, bloodray is extremely good in endless

[lean ember]

Yeah, that was probably the wrong way to put it. It is very good. We were recently tryingn to make it the "spam" button that Viperseal III usually is

[sweet meteor]

T8 rhongomiant does that btw

[lean ember]

enabled by the new +100% manaflask charge amities

[tough seal]

but of course balance, maybe, just maybe, heretic could be considered a class played to the extent of beo/Gilga/Diety some day

[lean ember]

this is true. It would sacrifice more orn-farm potential, but you are right.

[sweet meteor]

But tubbug

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[turbid umbra]

Damn, I thought it guaranteed superior+ quality

[sweet meteor]

Look at it in your inventory

[turbid umbra]

I did, it's standard?

[covert mountain]

I got t6 white from it

[sweet meteor]

Guess it doesn't guarantee then

[teal pike]

what's that?

[austere axle]

Nimue's Lake?

[teal pike]

uh it's a bug odie replied in hoa

[orchid wyvern]

Blind Frodo be like:

[teal pike]

probably not bug

but it's not more event monument

[red urchin]

I don’t think nullifying a stat is the best way to balance it, that’s all. Especially at a % higher than any defensive tool available (parapet being the one with the highest % at 25% for comparison)

[sweet meteor]

Just add "20% chance to negate ward bypass" to amities 👍

[red urchin]

Not even mentioning that the ward bypass amity also got a substantial buff, meaning you can get to 45% bypass rates

[cold smelt]

(The buff was from 2% to 5%)

For anyone not in the know

[red urchin]

Edited my comment since I had the number wrong

[turbid umbra]

Just found out affinity candle and scroll of chaos does affect monuments

[cold smelt]

Just the berserk chance part

[turbid umbra]

Yeah but that's also the only part I cared about lol

[teal pike]

thank you

[turbid umbra]

I just decided to try it and got a triple zerk event horde

[teal pike]

now my affinity candle will finally get used

[red urchin]

Don’t forget your Guinevere’s hairpin

[near sedge]

Which of these is which class 😂

[lean ember]

Dagonet = Mage, Lancelot = Warrior, Brunor = Thief, Severause = the others

[near sedge]

Pin that thank you

[woven magnet]

40% chance is hardly nullifying a stat (which has been pvp meta for years)

Look at accuracy these days. Dex is super dead in comparison

[red urchin]

Oh, fully agree with that. I called out ranger as a very problematic spec when it released, and the feet of Mnemosyne only made that worse

[turbid umbra]

@earnest oriole I've almost reached the limit of bad luck😂 net -22 memories

Only enemy that spawned was the boss

[earnest oriole]

I've had this happen a few times, that extra floor missing is a big hit. On a whole I haven't noticed a huge decrease though, just running 4 at a time

[hidden pasture]

This ...
The gear as it stands just feel very useless

[umbral shuttle]

Odie can you at least guaranteed one event pack per floor on the lakewater thing? Sometimes you dont get anything

[wanton relic]

Does anyone know why the cursed cowards gear got changed?

[covert mountain]

because some ppl were unhappy 🤷‍♂️

[earnest oriole]

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[turbid umbra]

Yeah the rng spread is very wide, sometimes I was barely making any gains and sometime I was losing, it's almost the exact same, just slightly worse

My gains when they happen are just significantly reduced

[wanton relic]

Ah i see thank you!

Also im curious about the heavy hp and mana penalty all of the super raid gear seems to have

Since the raw stats are just worse than the crimson super raid stats

greater class identity benefits?

[earnest oriole]

I think the idea is that the resurgence benefit should make up for the defense/res. At first glance I agree, I do wish the res was higher, but maybe in practice it's not that bad

[granite sage]

@hidden pasture