Memory Hunt Changes - Server patch 1.303

[split nest]

this could be insane...

let me see what the ornate is

[indigo urchin]

Why?

Ultima 40% crit
Omni flask 20% flask?

[solid tundra]

New follower 40% crit. Then shadowstrike spam

[indigo urchin]

Big shadow strike amity!

[steep pilot]

Any chance I could hunt this (and help find the ornate, I guess)?

Thanks

[split nest]

Red 1

[solid tundra]

I too can help

[steep pilot]

I can invite Korosei if you're cool with it

[split nest]

I made this by party cycling with my alt, I don't mind if you invite anyone

so long as there's a spot for me, anyone is welcome

[solid tundra]

Aww not couchable for me

[split nest]

welp, -18 Distorted and +18 Legendaries 😭

back to regular

[solid tundra]

How many distored did you make?

[indigo urchin]

I guess 18

[split nest]

5 at the very beginning, but those were from archpath/similar

[steep pilot]

I may or may not have just spent $2 on an Apollyon Shrine because I spent all my balor memories crafting over 60 distorted earlier 🙁

[split nest]

I'd make a ton, I have 11k memories but I want my DMs

[steep pilot]

I was going to farm more memories before I did more hunting and then this amity showed up

[steady charm]

distorteds are scam confirmed

[indigo urchin]

Pay to win life

[solid tundra]

Yea I don't think I'd convert my dms to dms... but getting em from EoD is fine

[indigo urchin]

If they used 18 that's 90 Amities
You would have gotten the ornate by then for sure

[steep pilot]

No, really not for sure. Plenty of people have wasted >100 DMs hunting ornates

[indigo urchin]

I'm crafting a couple just to check legs
Not to ornate hunt

[split nest]

getting easy leggies from hunts that only want leggies is perfect

[indigo urchin]

In my year of hunting I've never been 100+ without ornate 😭

[split nest]

then you have never truly hunted /s

[steep pilot]

My goal is to end May with over 100 Distorted mnemonics

[solid tundra]

It might happen running hard dungeons

[steep pilot]

To use them throughout the year until the next Apollyon event

[indigo urchin]

If you change faction every week it's super possible

[split nest]

monus

[steep pilot]

That is why I'm currently Stormforce, but faction doesn't help with the memories

It's just bonus proofs

@split nest I got ornate you can stop hunting it

You should stop hunting it

[split nest]

send pix

[solid tundra]

Its perfect

[split nest]

F

Red 2 is also +20% element but the second is element resistance

[indigo urchin]

Who would have thought

[steep pilot]

I was sitting here dreaming about accessory effectiveness as the ornate

[split nest]

thank goodness I only have 25 Legendaries of it

I would've been sad to get the ornate

[steep pilot]

I only spent 3 Distorted fortunately

Have you hunted Green or Yellow? They're both couchable for me

[split nest]

Green isn't couchable for me, Yellow has meh stuff

[steep pilot]

I'll gamble away on Green while I'm here then

[split nest]

I'll probably do Yellow 4 (or 3?) since it's 2% crit chance and that's the only other one I've not looked at that looks decent

nvm first one is legendary and it's +15% Balor

[steep pilot]

Did I break something? I'm using normal DMs and my past 3 have been legendaries

Bad, but legendary

Nope Green is all bad

[split nest]

I will trash this party and start anew next hour

[eager canopy]

I think i have a X4 colour one in 8 minutes it's I'll confirm that soon

[indigo urchin]

Knight accidentally activated permanent distorted mnemonics glitch

[eager canopy]

Wait there a bug 😑

[steep pilot]

No it was just a bit of luck

[grave jungle]

Hm

[alpine vortex]

I wish there was something between everything is couchable and nothing.

At home I've been able to scout every hour. At work I need 2x static just to make it to the final node.

[wide thistle]

My office all day 0 couchable 3 diff party seeds each hour

Not liking the new spawn system, love the hut colors

[wraith zephyr]

Hi brother.

[grave jungle]

Hey there 👀

[wraith zephyr]

Only left 10ms

[grave jungle]

Oh I was just interested in the base amity not the ornate lmao

[wraith zephyr]

Ar me fast

[grave jungle]

ingame seowqj?

[wraith zephyr]

Might not be couch. It's blue

[wraith zephyr]

Ya

Borderline circle blue.

[grave jungle]

Sent it

Worth a shot lol I’ve stumbled this far somehow without a second one

@wraith zephyr which answer is it?

[grave jungle]

you are a god and saint among men 🫡

[wraith zephyr]

Damn first try

[grave jungle]

Oh I used a distorted lol

[wraith zephyr]

Last minute try

[wraith zephyr]

Oh okkkkkkkkk

[grave jungle]

I wanted the mana regen for convenience on GSA endless lol

[wraith zephyr]

Hahaha

I feel like this one is good for a lot of class.

[grave jungle]

Is there anything you need scroll wise that I could toss your way as thanks?

[wraith zephyr]

I need DM. LOL

Anything will do.

Donate freely!

[grave jungle]

Anything in particular you’ve been grinding for?

And what agony level

[wraith zephyr]

21

[wraith zephyr]

Nah. Nothing in particular. I'm just grinding DM now lol.

[jovial pelican]

Can I join this one tomorrow?

[wraith zephyr]

@strange hinge

[grave jungle]

It’s not mine it’s Seo’s

[odd grove]

Some of the end of DM maps have changed mid-hour for me for no aparent reason. Wanted to see if that has occurred for anyone else?

[wraith zephyr]

It's probably GPS drift. Or u move like a few meters.

The nodes for red and blue still should be at the same place. The other 3 will move.

[grave jungle]

I’ve noticed it from time to time when I have gps drift, it tends to fix itself

[wraith zephyr]

Happens to me a lot of time. Either move around 5-10m or just wait.

[odd grove]

Minigame two shifted from within 250m to over 330m

[wraith zephyr]

5-10 meters

Happens to me when I went to the toilet.

[wraith zephyr]

Mini games can shift too.

[odd grove]

From within 250m to over 340m?

I didn't move - and surely not 90m within the same room in my house

[orchid oracle]

I can confirm I've seen this too. This is the same seed, same spot. GPS drift should not be this drastic

Only difference is I zoomed out to take the first screenshot, then spent some time on discord, then did the second hunt

[wraith zephyr]

Possible, cause it's consider a different location.

[odd grove]

I didn't move, though

And neither did Winter, as stated above

[wraith zephyr]

GPS drifted.

[odd grove]

Also false

[wraith zephyr]

You can't control GPS drift.

[finite coral]

So if the party changes at all then the amities move now?

[wanton topaz]

What do you mean party changes

[odd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-2-nate-bargatze-gif-3629663037087366671

[wraith zephyr]

That's actually correct, 🔴🔵 never move. The 3 might randomly move.

[finite coral]

A non leader leaves, then another member joins. Party leader stays the same.

[wanton topaz]

Gotcha. This shouldn't be the case

GPS drift has always caused couchability issues, but maybe with the movable nodes it's making things snap wildly

[wraith zephyr]

Did the party leader disband or leave?

[wanton topaz]

Seow you really gotta take time to read

[wraith zephyr]

Just reconfirm. Sometimes I also dunno what I did

[wanton topaz]

Yeah but that was a very specific message explaining the party leader did not do anything 😂

[finite coral]

Ohh... I used a distorted mnemonic and the steps were not couchable when the regular mnemonic is.

[wraith zephyr]

See....

[orchid oracle]

sure with a different seed, but this was the same seed same location

[odd grove]

I would like individuals with knowledge on this topic to weigh in 🫡

[wraith zephyr]

Not really, same seed same location, they can move if you gps drifted.
Unless it's red/blue.

[odd grove]

It didn't

[wraith zephyr]

As I said, you can't control GPS DRIFT!

[odd grove]

That is false my guy

[wanton topaz]

Well you can

You can turn off your location

[odd grove]

🫡

[wraith zephyr]

If you purposely do it, by nature you can't.

[odd grove]

So, you admit it can be controlled then - thanks!

[wanton topaz]

Did you have location turned on or off

[odd grove]

On the first DM, I was able to complete all the minigames and completed the arcanist. On the second DM, I completed the first minigame and then minigame two moved to 340m away. Same hour, same party

[wraith zephyr]

In most situation "normal" , you can't.

And some GPS don't really turn off when you turn it off.

[wraith zephyr]

Definitely location changed.

On the first node.

[odd grove]

🫡

[wraith zephyr]

You still haven't answer whether you turn off Gps or not.

[wanton topaz]

@odd grove

[orchid oracle]

Regardless of GPS on or off, I don't think a slight drift, which is completely expected in GPS related gameplay, should cause such a dramatic shift in dynamic node positioning

Why should we feel like we have to turn GPS off for our GPS game to function properly?

We're asking the wrong questions here

[odd grove]

It's tough when the questions that need answered are being drowned out with nonsense.

[finite coral]

Maybe it punished you for going to the toilet and playing on your phone?

[orchid oracle]

I've been planted in the same seat the whole time, unfortunately lol

[wanton topaz]

Totally agree - but it's important to establish what exactly is happening first

[odd grove]

On - of course.

[wanton topaz]

Ok then gps drift may be part of the problem

[odd grove]

I cba to toggle GPS 😂

[odd grove]

It's not.

[wanton topaz]

Drift should never move things that much, but this is a new system

[odd grove]

90m is a lot.

[wanton topaz]

You know nodes snap to roads now right?

[odd grove]

This was minigames

As I said

[wanton topaz]

The minigames do too

[wanton topaz]

My guess is that drift is pushing the nodes in and out of range of road-snapping. That's the only thing I can think of to explain the big jumps

[odd grove]

90m is greater than 10m to 30m

[wraith zephyr]

The drift as goody said, push the nodes to the nearest road.

[odd grove]

🫡

[wraith zephyr]

Your 10-30m drift, ripple effects the nodes to clip to further roads.

Which could be 90m

[wanton topaz]

Brother, now you're just rudely dismissing completely plausible answers. You seem to be the one that doesn't know enough about the subject to be so quick to dismiss the idea

It's definitely an issue - worth bringing it to Odie's attention. The road snapping could be exacerbating GPS drift more than reasonable. I've personally seen drift move nodes over 50m at least - before the rework

[odd grove]

That would derive that the system isn't intuitive and needs to be tweaked.

[wanton topaz]

Yeah nobody's saying otherwise

[pseudo topaz]

If i see a minigame or an arcanist 255m away. I have to walk atleast 10-15+m for it register the movement, but going from my bed to the restroom which is 2m away. it is able to detect the movement and shift the arcanists around

[finite coral]

Poo power

You lost some of your built in antenna

thus GPS drift

[wraith zephyr]

I have the same issue within 5m, so what I did is, I move around the house and let the GPS settle down again.

[wraith zephyr]

Correlation indeed

[finite coral]

like the hokey pokey

it's what it's all about

[pseudo topaz]

dude restroom is not a bunker or reinforced with jammers thats not how it works lol

[finite coral]

Actually, depending on the restroom, it can be? Why do they tell you to hop in the tub for a tornado?

[finite coral]

It's time for Orna Legends to do the testing for causation!

[wanton topaz]

That's always been part of amity hunting and GPS drift. The way that the node generation works has always partially taken your physical location into account. If you shift around via drift you might offset all node positions pretty noticeably

It's.. not ideal

[pseudo topaz]

it wasn't as drastic before

[wanton topaz]

Agreed, it usually wasn't too much

[pseudo topaz]

Not even notieable

[wraith zephyr]

GPS is kinda weak waves though.

[odd grove]

Imagine moving 2m shifting everything 90m+

[wanton topaz]

.

One way or another, it's good to bring it up

[finite coral]

If that 2m movement has your signal partially bouncing from a different direction while inside a building, that actually makes a lot of sense to me.

[pseudo topaz]

stop with a copium lol, this is clearly an issue that needs addressing stop trying to dilute it

[odd grove]

Unfortunately, as stated earlier, being buried in nonsense with AI GPS drift posts

[odd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-no-leaving-im-leaving-im-done-gif-5445408

[finite coral]

You should see my friend car dancing when she loses signal while we move around.

[wraith zephyr]

The issue is, the drift causes ripple effects to the nodes clipping roads, which before this didn't happen.

[finite coral]

Which I can say that ATT has better coverage than tmobile.

[wraith zephyr]

Hence I only use WiFi for ORNA when I'm at home. I turn off the telcos.

[wraith zephyr]

That's kinda dangerous.

[wraith zephyr]

It definitely escalate the drifting issue.

[orchid oracle]

me too

[finite coral]

You're telling me. I'm trying to drive while she wiggles in the passenger seat.

[wraith zephyr]

Oh wait, that wiggle. I thought the car lol.

[wraith zephyr]

Still can happen with GPS drift if that area of your house have weak Wi-Fi signal. Like my toilet.

[orchid oracle]

I'm right next to my router

[wraith zephyr]

Still can happen. WiFi signal are not always continuous.

[orchid oracle]

Trust me, the drift is minimal. Definitely not 10-30 meters as your google search suggests

[wanton topaz]

"I have a problem!"
"Maybe this is the root cause"
"That's nonsense, because I said so. Stop talking about my problem"

[wraith zephyr]

It's definitely an issue. That needs to be highlighted to Odie.

But 10-30m drift using WiFi is possible

[orchid oracle]

Anyway, I'm just pointing out something I observed within minutes of them happening. No need to be dismissive initially

[wanton topaz]

Submit a bug report

[odd grove]

@me next time lil guy 🫡

[odd grove]

Thread is dead from the nonsense being spewed. The title of the thread is Memory Hunt Changes - not dancing on cars or how to Google GPS Drift.

I had an issue, I stated it and it has been buried by individuals with little to no knowledge of viable solutions.

With this post, I am out. Appreciate everyone's time tonight

[indigo urchin]

Good night lil guy

[spring orchid]

what happened here

[indigo urchin]

You happened technically

We're here because of you

Happy mother's day ❤️

[spring orchid]

thanks i think

[indigo urchin]

Except a ping in father's day

On serious note
The way memory hunts spawn is an issue

[orchid oracle]

I was going to make a bug report but tldr inexplicable giant drift: #1499825630231920771 message

[wanton topaz]

Here is the start of the conversation @spring orchid

[indigo urchin]

We have people (me) that have an ot that produces basically no couchable opportunities and then people that can have them with much much better odds than others

[wanton topaz]

Will do lil guy

[indigo urchin]

Please don't be using lil guy passive aggressive 😭
I was being playful and silly

I can't tell

Now it looks like I'm in on being passive aggressive

[wanton topaz]

Well Tilley chose that route, seems he was offended by people trying to come up with explanations to his issue

[spark seal]

Too late, added you to the passive aggressive list...it's getting long

[grave jungle]

Hm… opinions?

[pseudo topaz]

Are there plans to introduce bulk recollection of amities? I am not sure if it should go in qol or here

[pseudo topaz]

Solid for my apex raiding build

[grave jungle]

Nothing mentioned that I’ve seen at least, same thing with recycling titan augments would be good

[indigo urchin]

while we're talking about QoL
Is it really necessary that the catch the wisp mini game requires 16 inputs??😭

I have so much to say about the mini games
They could be improved so much

[pseudo topaz]

preach

[indigo urchin]

I've been doing them so much for the past year I can't believe they stayed the same

[wraith zephyr]

Are you having an ornate winning streak, this is just shy of 1-2% from prefect amity. Damnnnn

[grave jungle]

I’m failing in getting a second lol

[wraith zephyr]

I suspect Odie increase the rate of answers tied to certain bonuses/amity.

I have no data to support.

But personally I feel I've answer this question so much that my legendary is almost the same.

[wraith zephyr]

Don't worry, it will come lol.

[sonic karma]

What is the legendary

[wraith zephyr]

And the faction one is the element damage.

[wide thistle]

@alpine vortex speaking of 3x perfect rolls.

[wraith zephyr]

Yooooo that's perfect and good.

Finally a perfect unique roll!!!!

[wide thistle]

Tried normal 19x 1 legend, used distorted dm x4 with shrine

[wraith zephyr]

The distorted seems really good.

[wide thistle]

Yeah i think they are great for break the glass rolls

Idk how effect later w/out shrine but still nice

[wraith zephyr]

Definitely will keep some.

[wide thistle]

Some good/bad, went through 6 alts to find a couchable, lucked out Ddm was couchable as well

[wraith zephyr]

Then I look at mine.
I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

[wide thistle]

Im a rs, that would be tossed in the keep storage

[grave jungle]

The party seed doesn’t change as long as the party isn’t disband and leader doesn’t change right?

[wraith zephyr]

Based on what Goody said, as long as there's party leader and is the same party without disband.

The other way is to transfer party leader.

But he mention sometimes it might be corrupted due to transfer of leader.

[grave jungle]

Gotcha thought so, that alt is staying parked right there as leader for the day then lol

[wraith zephyr]

I haven't try yet, cause the amity you get from me just now is very good. So I'm scare of transferring and corrupt the seed.

[grave jungle]

Yeah no kidding haha

[wide thistle]

It was a purple hut

But i havnt disbanded lead from alt

[past knot]

surely a useful 3rd bonus in an ornate exists somewhere :D

[next furnace]

Guys, please keep this for the main purpose of the thread.
I don't think it is meant forsharing memories 😉

[split nest]

this is such a visually appealing amity screen

[wraith zephyr]

This is appealing too. Got GPS drift while hunting a very good legendary.

Gg living in the mountains.

I'm stuck between two minigames.

[boreal kite]

Yeah, I have the feeling that I have more couchables after the 'snap to roads' update. I haven't tested it yet (and also don't have any 'before' data). Maybe I should have a look into that for a couple of weeks.
I'm not an expert, but I'm wondering if the distribution of roads within 250m from my home has something to do with it.

[wraith zephyr]

For me is more too.

[alpine vortex]

My OT is way way way more couchable, and my work is basically un couchable.

If you have roads <350m away but >250m away it will snap the dynamic nodes away from you.

[wraith zephyr]

@alpine vortex u have enough data to see which answer have higher chances on related amity/bonuses?

Cause I suspect Odie increase the rate.

[alpine vortex]

I have some data

I pulled 10 parties worth of data for the last year

What are you seeing?

[wraith zephyr]

I keep seeing this 2nd answer appearing as dragon/holy/dark/arcane.

And the first question is 4 elements damage.

[past knot]

this hour i actually have the reverse 😂
15% dragon on the first, 20% fire on the 2nd

but yeah, it feels like it follows a trend, and i think that's been mentioned before in this discussion thread

[alpine vortex]

It's far to early to make any conclusions honestly. Unless Odie says he changed the weights it would take months of data to make any correlation

[wraith zephyr]

Now? Hahaha

[alpine vortex]

I used 10 parties worth of data and barely see any trends for most amity. That's about 1000 questions with 4-5 answers each

[past knot]

yeah, been amity hunting quite a bit today

[alpine vortex]

Per party

[past knot]

maybe i'm just illusioned in my own thought then

[wraith zephyr]

But he did mention it increase x3 about it right?

[wraith zephyr]

World wide delusional memory hahaha

[wraith zephyr]

I spend 200 since event rewards

[alpine vortex]

I'm not saying it's impossibly Odie made changes, but without data points saved on sheets it's very anecdotal

[wraith zephyr]

Oh u mean for the one I speculate ok...

[alpine vortex]

Odie said the question has always made certain rewards 3x more common. If he increased it, we would either need confirmation from.him or a couple months worth of data

[past knot]

i'm coming up (or already hit, i forgot my exact initial count) on 1k used today, but maybe 50-90 of them weren't completed as a sacrifice for finding couchables

[past knot]

oh, so the answer does matter but any potential increases in the answers influence can't be confirmed?

[alpine vortex]

Correct

[past knot]

tbh if any change occurred i wouldn't even have a point of reference to base it on

[wraith zephyr]

Damn 1k.🫡

[alpine vortex]

For the 9 million posts i missed while sleeping...
Here is 2 maps, of the same party, same hour, Moving less then 30m (one corner of the house to the other, does move all dynamic nodes

map 1

map 2

it doesnt take much movement at all to completly shift the dynamic nodes, which is why memory parties are mainly concerned with red/blue

[wraith zephyr]

And don't forget GPS drift.

[alpine vortex]

this has nothing to do with gps drif

i moved 30m, and gps worked correctly in detecting i moved

previouslly a 3m move had little to no affect on most people, in the new system simply going to the bathroom could completly change your map

[past knot]

not if you simply let it out on the couch

but yeah, i've had a few instances of changes from couchable -> not couchable today, but the new system feels a bit better in my individual case

[wraith zephyr]

Didn't know that. I always that it's not sensitive at all. Or there's like few meter to calibrate.

[lapis musk]

Thats weird. Just tested it on work. I work in a big garage and moved to another room for break and thats literally 50-75 meters away and the game detected me moving. But the nodes and minigames were exactly the same for me (Deux Group, current hour)

Sadly didnt take screenshots and cant move Back again this hour

but maybe i am wrong. need to test it again later. but your proof is definitly valid

[wraith zephyr]

I'm curious what phone you using? @lapis musk

[lapis musk]

android samsung galaxy s23

[wraith zephyr]

Could phone spec causes discrepancy in it?

[alpine vortex]

S24+ here.

Depending on the size of your garage. Moving 100m and not seeing any shift means there are likely no roads to snap to.

If I go to the park, I can move all I want and everything works 100% like it used to

[lapis musk]

Makes sense

[wraith zephyr]

Could be no public road for zookar.

[lapis musk]

Man it kinda sucks now 🙁 even if red and blue are couchable, you need to have luck with Step 2 and 3 of the Minigames

I thought amity-group hunting would be okay, but after 2 days of testing and scouting alot, its insanely hard. you defnitly have better chances living in urban areas.

my garage is kinda rural, so its way harder here. at home and at my gf its insane how much couchable steps and memories i see.

i guess its okay because its intended to be a GPS Feature and i can live with it. but getting a specific amity-bonus this way is just impossible

[lapis musk]

I see the Problem. there is only one road nearby. so it stays the same

[wraith zephyr]

Damn snapping road makes small movements causes butterfly effects towards the nodes.

[alpine vortex]

I have the same issue. My work is the size of a Walmart so the roads are close enough to be detected but too far away to couch.

My home has so many public roads I've yet to find an hour that's not couchable

[wraith zephyr]

Wtf? It's possible?

Even though I'm surrounded by roads, I still get non cochie nodes.

[alpine vortex]

I'm sure it's possible to get a non couchable hour. It's just really rare now

[lapis musk]

I would totaly like to walk for all 4 steps (make them non-couchable) if we can target specific amity-bonuses

[steep pilot]

Mostly the same for me. The vast majority of minigames are couchable, the nodes might just end up being out of reach

[proven orchid]

Idk, sometimes when I'm doing hunting, I have to walk to get some spots but then when I start another hunt it becomes couchable. It' so random now

[wraith zephyr]

Is it the red blue final nodes/question or the other colour?

[proven orchid]

Other colours

I had an hour I was couching 3 colors, blue green yellow, after doing one

I guess they snaped to that road and stayed since I didn't move at all (?)

[wraith zephyr]

Only the other colours are like this.

Blue and red will never move.
Have you tried blue?

[wraith zephyr]

Probably.

[alpine vortex]

I think my least favorite part....is just how dynamic it is. If I walk 10m to finish a hunt....green is in reach. Walk 10m again for the second....and now yellow is reachable and green is 350m away.

[wanton topaz]

Real quick - does moving back to the original spot move all the nodes back too?

[alpine vortex]

If you can get to the exact same original spot I believe so

So don't move your couch:-p

[wraith zephyr]

But based on trex post and some other ppl post, the difference of 3M might change the nodes for the random one.

[alpine vortex]

If I'm 502m away from roads. Everything is static , once I cross to 409m away things start to snap to road. So 3m difference once you are snapping to roads can absolutely shift everything (that is dynamic)

[wanton topaz]

That's why we theorized that gps drift could be causing the massive shifts - making just enough of a difference to make things snap and unsnap

[wraith zephyr]

But for trex it was just pure 3m moving away from the original couch. Just like mine where I went to toilet.

Not a GPS drift issue.

[alpine vortex]

3m of movement can 100% be gps drift. It can also be accurately detected by phones. Both answers can be correct

These are phones using cell towers to triangulate position. Not cia satellite with millimeter level precision

[wraith zephyr]

Not all phones, mine definitely GPS drift.

[next furnace]

It snaps far away from you most of the times.
Despite roads close or not to you

[wraith zephyr]

Mine just a cheap $50 phone.

Can't even receive the triangulation properly unless it's from WiFi lol.

[next furnace]

don't pee when hunting amities!!!

[open reef]

For GPS it's "trilateration" (even if you need 4 satelittes - for x/y/z/t) 😜

[wraith zephyr]

Triangle ain't it.

[next furnace]

I just got all the snapping nodes go to 700/800 m far away from me. I am not sure this should happen, given the advertisement for an easier system.

[open reef]

I guess within buildings the GPS signals can simply get too weak, so the mobile phone automatically switches to WLAN or location detection via cell towers, which can be quite inaccurate (particularly the latter). Which would not exactly be "GPS drift" (which is usually quite small - except if you can only see 2 or 3 satelittes), but the consequence would probably the same (with larger possible movements). But it's a long time ago that I learned something about communications technology, so I might be wrong.

[jovial pelican]

@wraith zephyr could I join the apex abilities and parapet one today?

[wraith zephyr]

I don't think is me.

[jovial pelican]

Oh

@grave jungle do you remember where you got the apex parapet

[wraith zephyr]

Mine is parapet and ward regen.

[grave jungle]

Oh I totally misread because of the context leading up to the question lol unfortunately the party doesn’t exist anymore

I’ve been refreshing seeds like a madman trying to get some good amities

[jovial pelican]

🙁

All g

[grave jungle]

If I get anything similar today I’ll ping you, I still have too many DMs atm

[jovial pelican]

I just wanted to build a big number raid build for d.ara

[grave jungle]

Oh if it’s for raid

you’d have to hunt the ornate but I do have this party on an alt atm

but it’s gonna be about 12.5 hours til it comes around today

[jovial pelican]

Oh that would be 11pm for me I could totally do that if it’s available

[grave jungle]

you’re just an hour ahead of me, sweet

[jovial pelican]

How do you manage ornates I threw 20 event mnemonics at an amity and just ended up with 20 legendaries

[grave jungle]

yeah let me set a reminder on my phone, I’ll ping you a little prior

[jovial pelican]

Thank you !

[grave jungle]

luck my man lol

RNG is a cruel mistress

she giveth and taketh

[jovial pelican]

Thank you, so if I find one that’s good I just ping on here . With colour + number and let others join party . If I personally change location does the amity change too?

My couchability spot is 5 mins walk from home

(Basically an intersection of two roads so everything spawns there)

[alpine vortex]

Location doesn't matter, just party seed. As long as you are in a party when you find it, you can share it....it's up to everyone else to walk to get it

[jovial pelican]

So I can walk away too and it still remains the same for everyone

That’s cool

[grave jungle]

And on the flip side if you disband and recreate parties you can refresh the seed to scout without having to wait for a new hour which I’m about to start doing again shortly

[jovial pelican]

Oh damn I had no idea last week at work I had this seed and thought it won’t work for others

That’s the one I tried to get ornate off and never hit

So I could have done the same seed on the weekend from home too

[queen coyote]

I know it was already discussed, but the GPS drift is quite annoying.

I'll be hunting for a couchable ornate. GPS drifts and it's no longer couchable while sitting in the same chair the whole time. Frustrating!

[solid tundra]

I had that happen yesterday, it was really odd. Had the hour fine until I walked to the break room, came back to my desk and suddenly the node was out of reach

[orchid oracle]

If you have screenshots of this please post here: https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1503975473267605679

especially if you're referring to very drastic shifts in response to not very drastic drift

[wraith zephyr]

My drift swinging outside the house to another outside of house lol

My location was never accurate lol.

X is my real location.

[wraith zephyr]

@strange hinge

[alpine vortex]

I am also getting reports from multiple people who scouted something yesterday, they had 1 static and 2 dynamic nodes they could reach....and today it's 1 static and 1 dynamic.

I know a lot of people are using personal parties to reset seeds to maximize rewards, but the community data from parties is also very valuable.

So there does seem to be a lot of variance with dynamic nodes

[wraith zephyr]

Bugged or variance? Nodes missing?

[alpine vortex]

Not missing. Just they have shifted even though the person scouting is still in the same spot as yesterday

[wraith zephyr]

Could be a drift again?

Did he zoom in and checked whether it's the same spot?

[alpine vortex]

It's multiple people saying the dynamic nodes aren't consistent day to day. Or even in the same hour. That's the take home. It could be drift, it could be the algorithm, it could be any number of things.

[orchid oracle]

Can confirm. Before the event I scouted a couchable party for every hour. The next day I went back to those parties and many were way off. Parties were not disbanded.

[wraith zephyr]

So you transfer the party leader to an alt?

Cause I know there some issue that when you transfer party leader, it will corrupt the nodes/seed.

I mean this is based on what @wanton topaz told me.

[pseudo topaz]

There is no transferring, alt is the party leader

[alpine vortex]

You also can't transfer party leader in orna. The skull 💀 icon stays next to the name of the person who made the party

[wanton topaz]

I've seen only one time where the leader seemed to transfer, but it could have been a fluke/mistake

[orchid oracle]

I did not.

[wanton topaz]

You can have an alt keep a party alive while the leader is not in the party

[alpine vortex]

The leader can leave, join another party and rejoin and they get the skull icon back

But if the leader starts a new party, the old one disbands automatically I believe/ any invites to join it say it no longer exists

[wanton topaz]

Oh yeah? I feel like I tested that and that wasn't the case, but I wasn't very thoughrough

[wraith zephyr]

So rejoin party change the nodes.
Drift change the nodes.
Don't do anything also change the nodes

[split nest]

Made a thread so everyone can keep memory sharing: https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1504192111778468102

[autumn wren]

I must be in a bad spot. I live at the end of a cul-de-sac backing up on a wildlife area. It is consistently putting the hunt locations at surrounding area roads but to actually get to them by foot takes forever since you can't walk in anything like a direct line. Further, snapping them to these locations then makes it almost impossible to get a couchable one. Really frustrating watching all my hard earned boosts idly ticking down because it is takes forever to complete any hunt.

[inland laurel]

I saw the same thing.
Same hour, same exact location.
One day it was couchable across three characters in the same party with the same memory locations.
The next day, all three were uncouchable and the memory locations were consistent with one another.

[queen coyote]

Not sure if this has been suggested, but I feel a reasonable quality of life improvement would be:

1.) an indicator above each colored memory representing how many questions you've answered. Something like a pie that is sliced 4 or 5 ways, with the pie being filled up with how many questions you've answered

2.) and then when you open up the actual question/answer menu, a check mark next to the question if you've answered it at least once

Because I'm constantly forgetting which ones I've answered 😂

[tacit dirge]

@wraith zephyr do you still have 25% accessory party?

[dusty otter]

please, stop messing with mechanics right before big events. This has been such a major drawback on community fun with sharing couchable finds with these dynamic nodes. People use their hard earned bonus multiplers ya know

[pseudo topaz]

It would be nice if exactly 250m was deemed couchable please and thank you 🫡

[wanton topaz]

#1453896366844678285 message

[wraith zephyr]

Wait what exactly 250 is not accessible to the nodes...

[wraith zephyr]

Yup

[tacit dirge]

Can I get invite?

[wraith zephyr]

I need to check whether it's full, I forget about it. 5 minutes after the hour , will let u know.

[wraith zephyr]

U requested?

[tacit dirge]

Invited your char to friends

[wraith zephyr]

Which one is u?

[tacit dirge]

Frodo

[tacit dirge]

Blue second option?

[wraith zephyr]

Ya sword.

[tacit dirge]

Give me a sec I need second one

Thank you so much

<3

Got 2x leg

[wraith zephyr]

Nice! Congrats!

[grave jungle]

@jovial pelican amity in half an hour, hopefully it’s couchable for you

[jovial pelican]

I’m on

Shall I send an ally request

[grave jungle]

Yeah send it to Delirax

[jovial pelican]

Added from me and celedora

What colour and number ?

[grave jungle]

Should be green 2

Unfortunately not one of the fixed ones, hope it’s in range for you

green 2 not 3 whoops great time for a typo

[jovial pelican]

Walking to green

Ty

[grave jungle]

Hopefully I can get the second ornate tonight

The slightest gps drift completely shifting nodes is going to be the death of me

[jovial pelican]

Got it thank you !

All done

Will hop out of party

[grave jungle]

Okie dokie

[jovial pelican]

You are a champ

[grave jungle]

Haha have fun with apex shenanigans, I just HoC’d to deity so I’m learning it myself

Oh and there the second ornate is, bless

[lone hedge]

Hey gang, love to see the excitement sharing but if we could keep this thread focused on feedback about the mechanics, it's easier to parse ;)

[indigo urchin]

wdym

[fathom patio]

keep it on topic rather than sharing amities. konq made a seperate thread for that

[past knot]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1504192111778468102 boop

[indigo urchin]

Ahh

[alpine vortex]

I feel like the new system is very disproportionately balanced. It's either feast or famine. My OT sees why more couchable, while my work sees none.

The maps also feel too sensitive, moving rooms in my house can change a map completely. It also makes walks interesting cause yellow might spawn near you now, but 15m down the road and now yellow spawns 450m in the opposite direction.

I also would like to bring back option 2. We have people using 1000s of dms and finding maybe 1-2 good legendary. This was always my main issue with amity hunts, it's almost impossible to find something you want.

[wraith zephyr]

Option 1 using weighted class bonuses?

Or we can do a cycle of bonuses every season or per year, but we still can keep the amity with old bonuses that we found?

The hype of new bonuses and phasing out less used bonuses sounds good though.

[steep pilot]

Do not weight anything by class, please. That would be terrible for memory hunting when bonuses are locked behind Bestial Bonds

[alpine vortex]

Agreed

[steep pilot]

And also that would screw with party sharing even more

[alpine vortex]

Unless it is something like.... collateral primary, Gilgamesh have higher ornate rates

[steep pilot]

"The first answer with Red on Gilga is CD, on Realmshifter it's Parting Remark, on Nyx I got Memory Rewards, but if you swap to High Taranis it's 40% crit!"

[desert scarab]

The concept of favoring major roads has good intentions but, I believe it is fundamentally flawed. I live in a major city very close to its downtown, but my municipality does not really believe in sidewalks for whatever reason.

So what I end up regularly seeing are amities seeded to areas nearby in practical terms, but also inaccessible due to lack of crosswalks or sidewalks.

There’s also a very large cemetery in my neighborhood with named roads that locks its gates in the early evening, so whatever drops in there can’t be accessed for more than half the day.

I realize this is somewhat anecdotal, but it’s also a new symptom of the new system I’ve experienced.

And, like Trex, there is rarely anything accessible while I’m at work because the roads are simply too dangerous to traverse on foot.

[indigo urchin]

Preach brother preach

[kindred pivot]

Honestly I think people overcomplicate this

1. Remove all those Lyonesse/Northern forces nonsense
2. Build more roads
   Done, memory hunting is now prefect

[alpine vortex]

For example, i work from home today, and the 9 parties i checked this morning i could couch 100% of them with 1-3 witch nodes each.... all in 1 hour. At work i am still bating 0% chance of reaching a witch unless i use trinkets or walk 100m or more.

BRB going to OSM to add some free ways through the middle of my work

[wraith zephyr]

I want one shot lynonesse/Northern bonuses. 5% chance to full HP damage.

I want to nodes to clip to my character only.

[alpine vortex]

As a community i can say we are definitly see a higher % of each party being mapped due to dynamics, but a much lower % chance of others being able to reach even red/blue nodes due to how much local geography affects everything

[indigo urchin]

I believe it's a side effect of everyone spaming amities because of the events and not because of the changes

When we return to normal orna the people the usually map will have significantly less chances of getting a couchable over all

[sonic karma]

true, but if trex is at home, he can scout almost all of the parties, vs the previous system that if it was uncouchable for 1 person, it was 90% odds of being uncouchable for everyone

[wraith zephyr]

I won't even touch amity.

[indigo urchin]

Let me travel to Trex's home real quick

[sonic karma]

Travel to mine homie, i'll cook you a steak dinner and we can walk half a mile to scout some parties

[wraith zephyr]

In the previous system, when there's amity quest, there's no way I can finish the quest.

[fathom patio]

going into this event i expected I'd need different couchable parties and made yoshi 1 - 10 alts but apparently yoshi 1 & 2 are enough at my OT

[wraith zephyr]

Damn hunt every hour.....

[alpine vortex]

i am accepting donations , for just 500 dm a day i will map 6 parties for you...totally not for me...completly selfless...100%

[wraith zephyr]

Welcome to DM laundering.

[pseudo topaz]

I am sure it has been asked before but it would be very helpful for amity sharing if the mini games were color coded as well.

[buoyant nest]

I finally did some couch ability checks last night.

Felt like 30-50% were couchable at first,
And then I went 27 in a row that weren't couchable.

Wondering if that somehow had anything to do with the hour changing.

[alpine vortex]

were you forming a new party every time?

[buoyant nest]

For the non couchables I used the number of party join notifications to count

Yeah

[alpine vortex]

k then the hour really shouldnt matter

cause its basically a new seed each time

[buoyant nest]

Yeah I'd think so too

Could just be coincidence

But 27 in a row not couchable is quite a bit

And I had my gps turned off to keep my location stable

[wanton topaz]

I wish I had your road layout

[grave jungle]

I’m definitely more on the side of feast than famine with the update so I’m sure there’s more to address, but nodes being so sensitive to your location and consequently drastically shifting is my main complaint

[pseudo topaz]

I have used 1250 dms so far, for which I had to waste 120+ dms to find couchable hours.

And the couchable hours weren't couchable the next day

[wraith zephyr]

Are you at the same location fr all the parties?

[tacit dirge]

Agreed that witch hut is too sensitive. It should have same layout near same roads if you move 30meters. But I can get 3 different layouts by just moving in my house

[solemn lion]

Haven’t checked here in a few days, couchability still completely unpredictable?

[buoyant nest]

yeah.
I got my location in the game, and then turned off my phone's gps

[wraith zephyr]

Same location for both couch and no couch?

[buoyant nest]

Yeah

[pseudo topaz]

Hence why I have been using the exact same spot. And phones on the table

[buoyant nest]

Did it all in 1 session

[wraith zephyr]

My toilet break have been a nightmare.

[buoyant nest]

started around 7:30p local time, stopped around 8:30p local time
all in 1 go

I did less seeds during the 7p hour since I got couchables, and did some mapping

was only ever 1 node couchable

A little before 8p local time is when my 27 non-couchable streak started

There were numerous near-couchables

[wraith zephyr]

Oh so all in the same hour are not couch with same location. Ok.
But the couch ones are a different hour?

[buoyant nest]

where either one of the minigame steps, or final witches looked like they were on the verge of being couchable

but weren't

[wraith zephyr]

That's the issue I think.

Someone mention that it's near but u can't press it.

[buoyant nest]

Yeah.
At least for that session,
all the couchables were during the 7p hour

none in my 8p hour were couchable (and probably accounted for at least 23 in that 27 streak)

[wraith zephyr]

So 7pm all couch.
8pm all not couch.

Have u tried 9p?

[buoyant nest]

probably more like 30-60% couchable during 7p hour

I wasn't bothering to count

It was just easy to count the streak since I could count party notifications

Since I was scouting couchability with an alt,
and then mapping with my T10 character

[steep pilot]

It varies a lot by the road layout around your physical location

[buoyant nest]

not yet

[steep pilot]

Ie, for me I'd say probably 80-90% of all hours are couchable at least until the arcanists

[wraith zephyr]

Tried it then show us your map with the final nodes.

Or the minigames tht u can't couch.

[buoyant nest]

The minigames were close enough in some cases that the ring around them was almost touching my character
Which I think is just barely too far?

I can get a screenshot at some point

[wraith zephyr]

Just tried it and show us your map tht u can't couch. So we can have idea of what it looks like.

[alpine vortex]

When we ask for all the mini games to be colored, this would be helpful in knowing that this hour, would only be couchable using dynamic nodes that move....which thanks to my house (map 1) was super easy. But for people like Da Kat and Stormshaw, and wintermelon, would basically be a wasted DM unless they wanna use trinkets and lose 2-3m orn and tons of mats (map 2). The second picture is 30-40m north of the park (map3) and is close enough to roads that they 'suck up' all of my nodes and i can no longer couch (3rd picture is at park with no roads for default mapping)

For all 3 pictures, the couchable ness of red/blue varied as well since we still have the left over drif of "where did you start the hunt inside the little circle. Sometimes Red, Sometimes blue, and sometimes both were couchable.

map 1 - park (red is reachable) map 2 house - blue is reachable, red is almost reachable, map3 the roads_stole_mynodes, red is very reachable

Even with my house, the green/yellow node moved further away. which is my other big complaint, that nothing thats reachable by default should ever move away from you.

[wraith zephyr]

Could be because of nodes trying to all snap the road near you but they can't for dunno what reason and instead, it snap the furthest.

That's some weird codes going on.

One bunch snap to the top, another snap to bottom.

Your aura too strong.

[alpine vortex]

when i am in a park, there are no roads to my w, s, or e....just north, so there is only one way for all the nodes to go...north. which back to my second post, if no nodes moved away, the park map, my house map, and the road map would all end up couchable from start to finish, its due to the dynamic nodes moving away from me that it becomes not couchable.

[wraith zephyr]

Looking at the
Post 1 , 2nd pic.
Then
Post 2, 1st pic,
Then
Post 2, 3rd pic.

Minigames all snap to the crowded roads while dynamic final nodes just snap to your normal road on post 2, 1st pic.

But the post 2, 3rd pic final dynamic nodes actually snap to the crowded road again.

If map uses population to prioritize the road snapping, this probably will happen among two major roads?

I dunno how Odie or the map priorities roads.
But that's my speculation.

[alpine vortex]

post 1- picture 1 is my house, if i zoom in youll see its a big cul-de-sac, and its 20 year old neighborhood, thus those roads have been on osm for a while, so everything tends to cluster around the cul-de-sac. The road to the north is a 12 lane free way with no side walks and businesses only on the north half of the 12 lanes. the reason they all cluster in that one spot, is if i drew a circle from my starting location that was the only part of the circle that would hit the free way. if i moved further north they would spread out a lot more

if i turn my camera you can see both spots at the same time.

oddly enough that giant looking road in the middle isnt on osm, so it has no effect on anything, its actually a neighborhood , but its ~~ ❤️ ~~ (less than 3) years old

lol, good to know if you strike through a heart...id adds an arrow... thanks discord

[wraith zephyr]

Ya which is why I assume that ,
the reason why they snap that way is because it uses the density/population data to snap roads when there's two major roads.

But once that dense population is out from the view/max distance for nodes, it goes back to the one big odd looking stick road.

Because walkable roads = have higher density population? Hence the snapping prioritize that?

Again that's my assumption.
But it is indeed an issue.

[heady lantern]

I’m there with you. I’m pretty rural, and there aren’t many roads around my work. The closest roads are about 300m away, so the road snapping really hurts there.

My house actually improved with the update because I’m by a lake. Before, I couldn’t really hunt there at all because the lake would add about 300m to any node. Now that nodes can spawn in the water, it actually works great for me at home.

But then I go to work and it’s the complete opposite. Im not sure of the fix. I like this system better since I can at least do amities at both locations now kinda. Before I couldnt do them at home. I would have to get in a car and drive 500m away from the lake.

[alpine vortex]

100% same boat (home better, work worthless), i just want something between feast and famine. I think the simplest solution is to color the mini games, and then not let any dynamic node snap to a road if it would naturally be <250m away.

this would also increase the ability to share 'couchable' hunts, as in every step is couchable, vs the current system of only being able to report if the red/blue witch is

[heady lantern]

Yeah I really hope we can figure out a way to keep the couchable amitiy parties. That part of the game was amazing.

If that goes away its going to be really hard for new orna players to get the good amities like all the OG's and I think it will hamper game growth.

[alpine vortex]

Again, option 2 could potentially counter that, i feel a lot more people would be willing to walk if 99% of legendary werent trash.

[sonic karma]

what if the new players had a more intuitive way to find good amities due to questions/answers having a much stronger weight to the rewarded amities?

[sonic karma]

isn't that option 1? lol

option 2 originally was to force 20% couchable nodes

[alpine vortex]

meh

option 1 was weighing it to the class

which no one wants

but adding more weight to the question is what everyone wants

[sonic karma]

he said class weight as a possibility

im arguing about silly things

i'm with you

[alpine vortex]

i figured when odie said option 2 was adjusting weights to target 20%...then 5 minutes later said "nm jk 1million locations tested and the current rate is 20%" meant option 2 was null ;-p

[sonic karma]

stronger possibility for good amities / weight to questions so it's more intuitive aleviates the struggles of geographical disadvantages

[steep pilot]

This is purely anecdotal, but in the past 48 hours of me farming amities I'm found two 40% crit and a 25% accessory effectiveness, purely solo

[sonic karma]

looking at DM's specifically for amities, not necessarily for orns/mats

[sonic karma]

how many DM's did you use?

[steep pilot]

Around 200

But that's also counting me spending the rest of hours farming legendaries on random garbage

[sonic karma]

https://klipy.com/gifs/not-bad-james-corden-1--k01KRKMQEYZ85K3G06M9WV6DC18

[alpine vortex]

ive found both as well,,, one had 20% mimic dmg, the other had 10% northern forces :-p so back to the inital statement that 99% of legendaries arent worth walking for :-p

[solid tundra]

Yea I've had 0 of either over 10~ couchable hours including legendary/ornates

plenty of 50% positive duration though

[steep pilot]

Funny enough I haven't seen one of those yet

But that's why it's anecdotal, we don't know the real rates for these things

But I do feel that a solo player can get all the standard good bonuses solo. It's really only good legendaries that start needing parties

[solid tundra]

I have a potentially good 30% dragon dmg later today I need to find the ornate for, give me your luck

[heady lantern]

I wish I could say the same. Im hitting this event hard and no crit amities from this event.

[wraith zephyr]

I found so many good legendary solo without party hunt.
Ornates too.

Oh ya I found trick to instantly spawn u to final nodes.

3rd mini games don't finish it, when you are at the next hour, you finish it and it instantly brings you to the final node of next

If you stop at final nodes, next hour you answer it, it will gives you amity from the next hour. I'm not sure whether is it from the same question/answer or randomly pick from that hour or same color.

I've used this to scout my next hour final nodes.
Or randomly get some amity that I can't couch.

[sonic karma]

Doing that used to give a different node than the hour it was on

11:59, start hunt and save last game
12:00 seeds change, complete it and get seed B
12:01 start new mem, get seed C for the rest of the hour

[wraith zephyr]

Interesting. So something definitely change here.

[modest garnet]

I've definitely noticed mild drift cause a very volatile change in my work building. I went from having the same couchable setup for 45 minutes to getting an entirely different couchable... Then random swapping between those and a third different couchable

[lone hedge]

To keep you guys up to speed - we're exploring the idea of further boosting the chance at amity bonuses within the same category as answer chosen in final nodes.
It's come up a lot of times in this thread, we just wanted to run through with Aethric crowd also as they were a bit more hesitant to more changes.
We've polled them and they seem on board, so we'll explore it

Odie currently locked down working on a few things at once, but we'll hopefully get to it soon 💪

[wanton topaz]

This would reset seeds again I assume

[heady lantern]

Can someone explain what this means? "we're exploring the idea of further boosting the chance at amity bonuses within the same category as answer chosen in final nodes."

[sonic karma]

yes they would be reset again, but they were just reset a a few weeks ago so eeeeeh

[wanton topaz]

@heady lantern

[sonic karma]

right now there is correlation between answer - amity, at a "3x" rate.

We dont know what that rate is

[lone hedge]

Yes, seeds would reset again. They did recently, so not a huge loss from fat gathering standpoint from the community

Aethric crowd raised that they'd prefer seeds reset at the start of a week, rather than middle

[sonic karma]

Yeah seed reset is not a big deal since we've just recently reset them all. Especially if the reset leads us closer to a better system overall

Thanks for giving us an update, Dangy. It definitely felt like we were spinning our tires in the mud there for a bit, so it's greatly appreciated!

[alpine vortex]

Seeds come in 2 parts, the rewards, and the couchable, typically redoing the reward wouldnt change the couchable aspect...but we have 1 week of data, so by all means, toss it if it means better hunts

[lone hedge]

Can be tricky to jump in at times, but we're not ignoring the threads.
I'll reiterate that pushes for more couchability wouldn't be super attractive to us, and we're happy that this new system makes more sense for folks starting out.

We've done a middle ground approach on the available nodes already, unsure we're looking to increase couchability more atm

Giving more ability to target bonuses properly should go a long way though

[alpine vortex]

while your here dangy, can you ask if distorted NM affect ornate rates or not, a coucple people have used 20+ and not seen any ornate so just wantting to check before we keep wasting them

[wanton topaz]

My concern with the current implementation isn't to increase couchability in general, but that your OT's specific geography seems to drastically impact your couchability chances. Some people seem to have ~80% couchability while others have ~10% (obviously estimates but that's the ballpark)

This has been mentioned by several people in this thread

I'm wondering if we could decrease the amount of dynamic nodes for minigames and questions, changing them over to be static. So 3/5 final questions are static for example

[modest garnet]

I can definitely say that I have been on the feast side of feast or famine at both work and home in the new system. I've had the majority of 8am-5pm couchable this week.

That is also with some generous luck since most of my evenings have been non-couchable.

I think it is simply that my office building is on the intersection of two major streets, and my home has a large field to the east that has become something of a memory dead zone that pushes nodes to me.

[lone hedge]

Ornates should be accessible via Distorted Mnemonics. I hadn't heard anything about them being precluded

[tacit dirge]

But question is does distorted have same chances as normal for ornatw

[grave jungle]

But is their rate buffed?

[alpine vortex]

i know they are possible but do they have increased rates, cause 20+ on multiple people seems low is all

[grave jungle]

I’ve also used ~26 distorted with no ornate

[lone hedge]

I'd have thought so, but I don't do any code so honestly unsure. I'll ask about it - Odie's in lockdown mode to finalise Ornaversary (which is going to be incredible) and a couple of other things, will let you know when I hear back

[tacit dirge]

Hey I have idea - since we have 2 static witch huts - maybe some of minigames nodes (2 or 3 per step) should be also marked in diff color circle and static for all when rest can go all over the place, roads you name it.
It would be truly good for hunting community (possible to get few 100% couchable hours for anyone) and keep the safetynet road snapping other nodes.
I remind that they were to fix issues with private property or inaccessible area in hunts - my suggestion doesn't affect this change at all. Memories fixed for new players and scouting groups happy.

If we're gonna revisit memories sometime after ornaversary

[alpine vortex]

2 mini games at each step are static, but multiple people have said it would be nice if they were colored so we could tell easier.

[tacit dirge]

So it's already in good. Colours would be nice

[heady lantern]

Could be cool if the ones you can actually reach are different colors

[buoyant nest]

If the answers get further boosted it would be great to have something in-game that indicates when you get a boosted bonus.

Wouldn't want to have to collect hundreds or thousands of data points per answer to figure it out.

It also would help less hardcore players know that certain answers tend to give certain bonuses.

Even something as simple as some text saying "answer aligned first bonus" would help a ton.
Both for casuals and more hardcore players that would want to document this.

Really, even if they don't get further boosted feedback in-game would help a lot

[lone hedge]

Odie has confirmed Ornate rates are higher with Distorted Mnemonics

[sonic karma]

Odie has confirmed that those people's luck is drastically reduced, broken mirror or spotted a black cat walking under a ladder perhaps.

[solemn lion]

What about improving the consistency of couchability within the same hour?

[sage quest]

I mean last night I use 25 hunting for an ornate one, and got none, so higher rates means 1 extra% ?

[lone hedge]

I'm unsure whether disclosed rates is what I'm allowed to share - but Odie did double check and rates are more than doubled.
So the above scenario would be unfortunate RNG

[modest garnet]

You can tell us Dangy. Unless it means you have to kill us.

[indigo urchin]

reading Dangy say Odie is in lockdown is pretty funny

I imagine him closing the door of a basement and not letting him out until he's done

[queen coyote]

I feel like using Distorted Mnemonics to hunt for an Ornate would need the rates be 5x better chance rather than more than double to be worth it... best use case is use Distorted to find Legendary, then if it's good use regular Mnemonics to hunt for the Ornate

Considering it takes 5 regular Mnemonics to create 1 Distorted

Not saying the rate needs to be increased either, just pointing that out

[solid tundra]

As far as we know it's also just for this event that we can convert diluted to distorted, after that it could just be from EoD

[heady lantern]

Anyone else having it where if you move around your (average size) house that your DM can go from Couchable to uncouchable in the same hour?

[alpine vortex]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1503975473267605679

Yes. It's quite drastic

[heady lantern]

Not cool

[alpine vortex]

3m of movement is tough to cause everything to snap to new roads. Whether that's actual movement or just gps drift

[wide thistle]

I have lost all shrines and fountains at my OT 😢

[solid tundra]

because you clicked on them while trying to click a memory?

[alpine vortex]

If you are fishing there is a chance a broken line can break all fountains

It's like ornate....but for bad luck

[digital patio]

The more I look into it and the more it feels as an unnecessary patch on a system that was working

[indigo urchin]

some changes are really welcome, like the colors, loomstones and distored mnemonics

[digital patio]

Those are fine

The mapping tho is pure garbage

[indigo urchin]

the system of snaping to roads and fixed and variance ...

[digital patio]

Completely unnecessary

[indigo urchin]

that's really just a mistake with pretty colors and stuff

[indigo urchin]

not unnecessary I can see why Odie did it
he wants an incentive for walking and that. But he didn't do it right

if we all lived in a perfect world with walkable neighbourhoods and cities that actually cared about ppl walking while also having lives than can give opportunity to free roam in walks then it's good

but we don't live in that world

there's private property we can't enter, closed roads, random fences, closed parks

[digital patio]

Definitely I don't have that life

I spent 80% of my week in airports and hotels

[indigo urchin]

and with amities by nature having so much rng in them it's really a pain

[digital patio]

Roads are weird around there

No way I can chase an amity

[indigo urchin]

if all bonuses had less variance between them say 20-30-40 crit then it's less friction

but the bonuses have HUGE ranges it's just not realistic to walk

[wide thistle]

Yeah 😥 we need items/amity on different filters

[digital patio]

Like for towers and dungeons

[wide thistle]

Those too

I moved all personal towers away from OT bc they big

[solid tundra]

It's been discussed a lot and Odie does have his reasons for not adding more filters

Though it would be nice

[wide thistle]

Or a drop down menu for what can be clicked

If on top of each other

[wraith zephyr]

Odie is hiding himself in the deep mountains training to be his peak form.

The final boss of ornaverse.

[wraith zephyr]

I speculated this and it's been answered!

[indigo urchin]

So this is clearly a problem
It's snapping to a big highway
As you can imagine that's not a walking type highway
Only the first 3 out of the 8 steps of the distorted mnemonic were within reach. I used trinkets to make it even more obvious that the game loves to snap everything there

[wraith zephyr]

But there's so many roads... If I'm the AI, I can't choose one.

[indigo urchin]

It's a 2 way highway with 2 roads in each side
I guess the game leans heavy towards that side cuz "there's more roads" but it's just car lanes

[wraith zephyr]

I suspect before that it uses population/ density as a priority.

Higher density = walkable road.

[deft jacinth]

Spent more than 1k mnemonics last 5 days got 1 40% crit and no accessory

[indigo urchin]

Great odds if you ask me

[alpine vortex]

and what was the legendary.... 20% dmg to lyoness, 10 exp per m while walking...dont hold out on us

[wraith zephyr]

1% cast twice is good!

[buoyant nest]

Big agree.

I'd go further and recommend to have at most a "low" and "high"

e.g. Crit is either 20% or 40%
Dragon damage 15% or 30%
Apex Damage either 10% or 20%
Accessory.... either 15% or 25%
etc.

Really, with how many amities are super underwhelming
(5% more orns is a primary bonus btw)
I personally wouldn't mind if everything only gave the max
but I'm sure there's people that wouldn't be down for that.

Even though there's still roughly 70000 3-bonus combos

.
Oh, I just realized that the orna legends amity guide spreadsheet doesn't have the beast bond 1 amity listed.
Wonder how many bonuses are missing from that.

[wraith zephyr]

Unpopular Opinion.

I like quality range from 1% to max. Just like our gears quality.

[buoyant nest]

If you could target specific amity bonuses I wouldn't mind the ranges nearly as much

I'm assuming memory hunts won't really change in a particularly meaningful way when I suggest changes to the bonus value distribution

.
I've played other games where for systems like this you can target some pool of things
and that would go a long way towards helping here if added.

E.g. you could limit amities to only drawing their bonuses from some set of 10 bonuses or something

And I do think something like that becomes increasingly more desirable as more bonus types get added to the pool

[wraith zephyr]

Odie did mention some bonuses have higher chance on some question/answer.

[buoyant nest]

10 choose 3 would still be 120 combinations for reference

[wraith zephyr]

Too little.

[buoyant nest]

If you include qualities, it's more like 3240

and also then multply by 80 for a

[wraith zephyr]

There's now like 1 million combination.
70k unique.
20k max unique.

[buoyant nest]

so still like 259200 attempts on average to get the exact 3-bonus amity you want

which I think is plenty personally

[wraith zephyr]

With the help of the hunting party, is probably gonna be map out with few weeks. So then, there's nothing to hunt anymore.
259200 is very easy to achieve through parties.

A lot of ppl spend 400-1k + to scout per week.

[buoyant nest]

Also, for reference
On gear with there being a 1/200 chance at an ornate
and assuming the quality is evenly distributed there
It's only 6000 attempts on average for a perfect piece of equipment

[buoyant nest]

I assure you, there are not "a lot" of people that spend 400-1k to scout per week.

There's a notable amount of really hardcore players that do that.

but even if they're spending 1k per week,
that's still requiring 260+ people scouting in a coordinated effort to do that
which I don't think is happening.

and like, if you get 260+ people spending 1k DMs to get a single amity I think that's fine actually.

[indigo urchin]

you you're saying that relying on discord to fix an ingame issue is the good route

[buoyant nest]

If the goal is to make amity hunts more approachable/desirable/rewarding for the overall playerbase

We should be trying to make the spending 7-20 DMs per week experience good

[wraith zephyr]

I'm saying too little bonuses choice will reduce the amity getting map out in a short time.

Which ruins the whole content.

[buoyant nest]

I strongly disagree

Amity hunting parties are amazing

but they only exist because the level of effort required to get/find good/perfect mulit-bonus amities is quite frankly way too high

[wraith zephyr]

So if someone map out the whole amity bonuses in few weeks, do you think you gonna spend DM to scout for amities anymore?

[buoyant nest]

Yeah

because amity parties are a huge pain

so I don't want to have to do them

Probably at least 99.99% of the player base doesn't even know what an amity hunting party is

[indigo urchin]

people burn mnemonics just for the mats man

[buoyant nest]

^^

[wraith zephyr]

Personally, I won't scout anymore if the whole map is known

. I will just go to the hunting party to find the specific amity I want.

Which destroy the whole content.

You don't have to map it, some one else will.

[wraith zephyr]

I understand they do. But some didn't lol.

[buoyant nest]

I don't want to have to coordinate and join people's party and stuff

the only reason those exist is because players figured out how the RNG works

it's litterally RNG manipulation

Core gameplay features shouldn't require RNG manipulation,
and you're not forced to use it.

If you enjoy mapping out amities, why not just hunt yourself if it becomes too easy in groups?

The content of memory hunts is not supposed to be RNG manipulation
it's supposed to be walking around

[wraith zephyr]

Ya but once they know, u think anyone will wanna hunt/scout anymore?

Hence the current amount can be improve but definitely not too low like 10 choose 3.

[buoyant nest]

yeah, because different people want different amities.

You can't boil down everything that everyone wants in just 10 bonuses

[indigo urchin]

the while mapping amities and doing party play with discord was the community pushing the boulder uphill against rng man, Odie prob never intended for people to build bots and spreedsheats around the amity sistem

[wraith zephyr]

Gears quality are RNG.
Monster drop are RNG.

Oh ya, I solo hunt too.

[indigo urchin]

we have made a monster out of odie's creation basicaly

[wraith zephyr]

Ya which I don't bother using lol.

[wraith zephyr]

U monsters!!!!

[indigo urchin]

but you learned from their reaserch and work...

you are not an exception, you're a product of it

you thinkg a player can figure out all of that?

[buoyant nest]

I'm sure original goal was:

Let's make walking more rewarding and stuff

and not

Let's get players to reverse-engineer RNG changes, map out RNG seeds, and then share it to do some RNG manipulation.

[wraith zephyr]

But tbh, the current amount is not enough to map everything.
As I said 32 or 37 unique maps to map all amities for a year.

[indigo urchin]

and it could have been much much different if the amity system wasn't so RNG heavy and basically gambling

we wouldn't have had all the people doing reaserch just to not deal with the system as intended

[buoyant nest]

I definitely have much better odds of going positive in vegas than finding the amity I want

[wraith zephyr]

I didn't use their map info. I'm just learning the mechanism of the game.

[wraith zephyr]

That's what Odie is trying to improve.

Ppl will still do the research even if it's less RNG.

[indigo urchin]

he's building on top of a flawed base if you ask me

[wraith zephyr]

@alpine vortex @steep pilot are data freak. They enjoy it as much. Lol

[wraith zephyr]

Yoooooooooooo

I'm gonna stop here and farm my DM

If I'm the Odie, I'm gonna be sad seeing this.

[buoyant nest]

The system should be designed for most players though

not the handful of people going mega hardcore on it.

I can appreciate the positioning patch being for the large player base,
but when it comes to finding desirable amities the system is still flawed as Da Kat was saying.

If there's more changes to come that greatly reduce the RNG,
or at least designed for a person using 7-20 DMs per week for walks (non-couchables) being able to find a single amity they're searching for in a relatively timely manner (a few weeks or a month)
I could see the feature being much better

but as it stands, I still dunno anyone that would think non-couchables are a viable way for finding good multi-bonus amities.

[indigo urchin]

bro, why would Odie be sad lmao

he knows we love him

[buoyant nest]

I think Odie is pretty good at taking in opinions that aren't rude

[wraith zephyr]

I'm saying
if I'm Odie, someone say my game flawed. I would be sad lol.

[buoyant nest]

And grounded enough to know that not everyone thinks the stuff he shifts is perfect

[wraith zephyr]

Which is why we have this thread at the first place?

[buoyant nest]

There's no such thing as a game everyone thinks is perfect

[buoyant nest]

yeah

[wraith zephyr]

There's also no need to call it flawed.

[indigo urchin]

sounds like someone can't take criticism
you extrapolated "this aspect of the game is flawed" into "you game is absolute bull"
it's not as big as you're imagening my man

[wraith zephyr]

I can't!

[indigo urchin]

but that's another topic
end it here or Dangy will

[buoyant nest]

Depending on the numbers, I'll be at least somewhat excited if something like what Dangy was mentioning earlier is done

[indigo urchin]

i want this conversation very focused on memory hunt changes cuz other wise it's not going to change and I love the game a lot to see it in this state

[buoyant nest]

(the further boosting for answers)

[pseudo topaz]

I dont think he will be 1% of how sad I was this week.

[buoyant nest]

lol

[wraith zephyr]

Which is why Odie is on the mountain meditating for his final boss form.

[pseudo topaz]

Love that guy but I have the shortest straw from this update, the straw is merely a dot

[wraith zephyr]

Maybe try my map before the update, I can't even finish my daily amity quest lol.

[sonic karma]

Bro

[next furnace]

The onlyn odd part is that in some places you get 95% couchability because of road snapping.
In other places you get 95% minigames and nodes spawn very far away.
Which is honestly not fair.
I faced both cases in similar urban areas, not downtowns.

[next furnace]

Same as I faced

[digital patio]

Main problem is that I'd consider myself in a good spot if we look at the roads from close by, unfortunately the game counts only the one loaded only once fully zoomed out, so even if I'm currently in the middle of a town I'm still messed up

The random dots are streets 🥲

[wraith zephyr]

How's your minigames and final nodes look like?

[digital patio]

Depends on where I'm sitting

Now I'm in a weird lucky spot and I'm couching

But I'll come back with the others almost too far every time

[wraith zephyr]

Come back meaning?

[digital patio]

I'll send screenshots with the messed up scenarios once I'll get them again

[next furnace]

Exactly it is the same that happens to me.
It looks like the algorithm is skipping normal streets and goes for main communication roads, which are normally not properly "walkable".

[digital patio]

Let's adjust the spawns so people don't end up in fields and woods in the middle of nowhere, let them run into an highway

I wonder if the dude in the middle of the runway last week was just looking for amities

[next furnace]

I think doing that may have caused him critical collateral damages...

[steep pilot]

Per Odie, memories can spawn just find on any public road or trail, not just major roads

[next furnace]

the experience shows it is not the case

[alpine vortex]

I mean people are posting evidence of the opposite

I have the same issue at my work

[steep pilot]

Whatever is going on is related to the OSM tags Odie is using to determine what a "public" road is

Because in my testing so far it has somehow worked perfectly fine. Amities spawn on the small roads, big roads, park paths, etc.

[next furnace]

I can see a big majotity of spawn on major roads.
With a very high preference for roundabouts and crossings

[alpine vortex]

Maybe osm is more reliable in Canada ...

[digital patio]

I'm not saying they don't, I'm in a simple town with normal roads

[digital patio]

But what I'm pointing out is that nodes spawns only in the roads visible only once zoomed out

[steep pilot]

See I would like to check the tagging on the roads there, but doing that would require you giving me the address of your work 😆

[digital patio]

Which in my case or others for example ends up being some broken dots

[alpine vortex]

There are lots of public roads near me....but it selectively prefers the intersection 350m NW of me

[steep pilot]

I can prove that's not the case for me, one sec

[spring orchid]

That wouldn’t be true, no. Each seed, random positions on nearby roads are chosen. It cannot only choose one of them

If it renders beige on the map, it can be chosen by the server

[alpine vortex]

My roads disappear when zoomed out, so I don't think it had to do with zoom as it still prefers a specific intersection

[spring orchid]

Definitely not true, the server has no awareness of your zoom position

[steep pilot]

If it renders beige on the map, it can be chosen by the server
Trex does have proof that isn't working as intended

[alpine vortex]

Here it is without my red line lol

[digital patio]

Sorry I didn't mean it's based on my zoom. I was just saying that besides being surrounded by roads and even a train station, those roads disappear once zoomed out and I see things spawning only on the drawings visibile during the zoom out

[steep pilot]

Zoomed out, you can see many of my roads vanish but still get things spawning on them

Sorry for the fools

[digital patio]

I mean they seem to be nearby the corners of them anyway

And still zoomed out you've full drawings of them

To me it just looks messed up like if I live in a swamp (I guarantee I don't)

[spring orchid]

The map library we use can hide some details at higher zoom levels for performance reasons

This won’t have any effect on memory hunt locations

[steep pilot]

Trex, could you post a screenshot of what nodes look like at your work?

[alpine vortex]

This is 99% of my maps with 3x dynamic in the corner and 2 static else where

[steep pilot]

Despite rendering beige, they aren't spawning on all beige paths

[spring orchid]

They’re pulling from the same db table. I’m not quite sure how one could disprove it

[next furnace]

In my case they preferentially stick to roundabouts

[spring orchid]

Some spots / roads will have more geometry registered in OSM data, therefore more candidates for the algorithm to choose random positions from

[alpine vortex]

Aka 4 lane highway intersection with 4 lane highway?

[steep pilot]

Ah, I see what's going on then. It's choosing OSM Nodes?

As opposed to OSM Ways

[spring orchid]

It would be safe to say the a four lane highway will have more geometry then a small road

[spring orchid]

No, it’s ways

[wraith zephyr]

Odie coming out from meditation cave to explain roads.....

[steep pilot]

I was thinking because a roundabout is made of many Nodes (in order to make it circular) while a straight road would have few Nodes. Idk though

[spring orchid]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a0a45cdbce176b25421b468/1533827580993-E110SVU0RHQK975EUR6E/giorgio1.jpg

[spring orchid]

Ways can be circles

[steep pilot]

I was trying to think of a reason LordGreenMonkey would see his memories sticking to roundabouts more often than not

[spring orchid]

How many samples do we have in order to suggest the roundabout is preferred over other geometries?

[digital patio]

Wish I had more roundabouts nearby. Damn Rome and the Roman infrastructure with just crossings

[steep pilot]

I have good couchability because some madman mapped all the sidewalks in my city as separate paths instead of the roads being tagged as having sidewalks. Which looks really dumb on maps and screws up routefinding -.-

[spring orchid]

Ugh, I hate that. My city has some too

[wraith zephyr]

The issue here is, which road does the algo prioritize as the road to clip.

Is it coded by Odie?
Or it is feed by OSM

[steep pilot]

I was told by OSM Admins that it was valid and I shouldn't fix it

[next furnace]

I have my office 150 meters from a big roundabout, yesterday I had 80/90% of couchable nodes (even 4/5 per step.
Today despite I am very close to several small streets, I see a drastical drop of couchable rate.

[spring orchid]

it is according to some of the local practices. but it’s not great for machine reading

[wraith zephyr]

Are the cars gps asking u to drive to the sidewalk?

[steep pilot]

No, I use Strava or CalTopo to map out running routes. But that's veering way off topic 😅

[wraith zephyr]

I'm just curious lol.

[next furnace]

As you can see in the following screenshot, I have also cycling paths mapped in front of my house, but they are not as attractive as yours 😄

[alpine vortex]

In osm what is classified as a public road

[steep pilot]

There is just something about this new system that makes it great for some people and bad for others, and I wish we could figure out what specifically it was.

Because overall for the majority of the playerbase that uses amities and walks around without hunting in Discord, it works great. Walking for amities has never been easier

[steep pilot]

Odie now said it's anything beige, which is basically anything that is a path

[wraith zephyr]

Literally any path recorded by OSM

[alpine vortex]

Yellow roads on osm are the only ones I see anything on

[steep pilot]

Well now that you've posted it I have to look at it on oSM

[alpine vortex]

That is osm

[wraith zephyr]

Damnn ppl, going technical.

[alpine vortex]

I think my work is just perfectly spaced between 3 major roads so it pulls everything away from me

Feel free to come visit. We have cadavers for the medical students so the building smells great

[steep pilot]

I'm not sure how much Odie cares to dig into this:

• Does it avoid roads tagged as highway=service?
• Does it avoid roads tagged as access=no or access=private?

[wraith zephyr]

Those streets at your place is public roads?

[next furnace]

Don't know if this helps, but in this case I have very good couchability, the nodes stick to the orange road (this is my office)

[alpine vortex]

Yellow is neigh

[next furnace]

this is my home, here the nodes sticks to yellow and orange

[steep pilot]

Trex, the parking lots and most roads around your work are tagged as highway=service

[alpine vortex]

How do you see that, cause the road to my east and the neighborhood to my south are all public

[wraith zephyr]

Knight with admin access... Damnnn

[steep pilot]

I'm in Edit mode. The residential area is properly tagged as highway=residential

[next furnace]

So the feeling is that small streets (white ones in my map) are not liked by the system

[steep pilot]

Technically, around my house all the sidewalks are tagged as highway=footway

So if for some reason it was avoiding highway=residential, I wouldn't be affected either.

[next furnace]

How can I see these tags?

[alpine vortex]

I mean the road to my east and south are marked as residential

[steep pilot]

Edit mode, or right click query features and click the road

[alpine vortex]

Just not primary road

You have to login via Gmail or something to see it

[steep pilot]

Shows all the details

[sweet mesa]

Your guys maps look so much cleaner than whatever I have going on here at work

[alpine vortex]

Look at the number of nodes in that intersection.... 10x any other location no wonder they all get sucked to there

[steep pilot]

Yeah, Odie said it's supposed to be based on Ways (lines) not Nodes though

But it's stuff like that why I assumed it must be based on Nodes

[wraith zephyr]

That's why I suspect, the osm prioritize density too.

[steep pilot]

Because of the sidewalk situation near me, every intersection has 9 nodes

[wraith zephyr]

So most of them clip there?

[steep pilot]

That's what we think we're seeing

[next furnace]

There should be something like that happening indeed

[wraith zephyr]

So those nodes+lines are tagged as highway, foot.

[alpine vortex]

If it would prioritize residential roads over "main" roads it would help me....not sure how it would affect green or ash. But the morale of the story is my work is just perfectly placed between 3 major roads....so everything gets pulled away from me towards them

[steep pilot]

That's why I asked if it was avoiding service or residential. Avoiding residential seems like it wouldn't be intentional though

[spring orchid]

I can look into whether access=foot is used enough, that would be a good thing to add to the query

My hunch is that it’s not tagged as much as it should be

[next furnace]

also "residential" would do

[steep pilot]

access=foot is definitely not used much in OSM

[wraith zephyr]

3 major highway+foot.

The residential roads should be tagged no foot.

But do check.

[steep pilot]

I'd think the only safe tag to assume a road/path has is highway

[wraith zephyr]

Or residential default setting is foot?

[steep pilot]

I can confirm the residential streets new Trex only have Highway and Name

[alpine vortex]

My house has secondary road , foot path, and residential....but it's 90% couchable rate there and multiple roads and round about close by

The issue with osm is it flags highway as "allows foot"

[spring orchid]

I wouldn’t agree with residential. There will be quite a few public walkable areas in recreational or retail spaces

[wraith zephyr]

So Odie uses default highway=path.

The residential streets at trex work place might not categorize under highway=path.

[steep pilot]

Please don't just post screenshots of AI explanations

[next furnace]

I see foot= "designated", "yes", "permissive", "destination", "customers"

[steep pilot]

Right now should it just be pulling to all highway tagged Ways?

Or is it doing something else?

[spring orchid]

there’s a few it’ll be pulling, I’m away from the code atm

[steep pilot]

Right now a concern from our semi-anecdotal evidence is that it might not be pulling toward highway=residential for some reason

[next furnace]

In my area all residential are marked "foot=yes" but the system does not like them

[steep pilot]

Since memories don't appear to spawn on the residential road next to Trex's work

[next furnace]

I think for some reasons the system likes primary, secondary ~~ and terziary~~.
While residential and terziary are actually the most likely to be walkable.

[wraith zephyr]

Highway=path might not include all the other path.

[digital patio]

Even just allowing a bit more of extra buffer on the range for each node could already help as some sort of mitigation of the "issue" while a final and improved solution is agreed

[wraith zephyr]

If the highway=path issue is solve, u might not need the range.

[digital patio]

Yes but as the path issue may seem like something longer to deal with, an improved range of reach would be way easier to code

[next furnace]

I just changed the road in front of my house from terziary to secondary and the nodes magically stick to it now

[wraith zephyr]

You mean you change the osm data and now in game, all the nodes stick to roads?

Dammmnn pro level play.

[next furnace]

Yes that was a test and it just worked, but as said, the system should prefer minor roads, and skip primary or secondary, that are normally much dangerous, unless there is a footwalk or cycling roads close to it

[wraith zephyr]

Broooo u just crack the code, now I can change OSM data to make my life easy. Damnnnnnn

Later Odie say, we are not using OSM anymore.
Kabooommmm

[steep pilot]

FYI Orna's OSM data only updates very rarely, and intentionally putting wrong/incorrect data in OSM will get you banned from editing.

[fathom patio]

i tried to correct incorrect data from OSM three times by now and have never been successful haha

[glass gazelle]

well.. not a good idea to doxx yourself ya?

[wraith zephyr]

All of them already doxx themselves.

[next furnace]

If you are willing to spend fuel to visit me, be my guest 😄

[wraith zephyr]

They sacrifice for the greater good. 🫡

Pray that RNG will bless them with amities that have max stat.

[next furnace]

100B orns airdrop will do as well 😄

[alpine vortex]

Like I said. I'm a public servant and my building is full of dead bodies....if you wanna come visit let me know, it's already 95f today (35c)

[next furnace]

And as a Texas guy, your Colt is always charged, I suppose

[alpine vortex]

Naw I don't own a gun. I have kids and my neighbor is a cop....that's good enough for me. My FIL.....has like 10 guns and my 104 year old grandpa has 12+ "for hunting"

[wraith zephyr]

I'm more amaze at 104 yo than the guns

[wraith zephyr]

His phone is always charged.

[steep pilot]

I highly recommend people visit northern New Hampshire where I live, but avoid the actual city I live in because it's the poorest and most dangerous city up here.

[sonic karma]

OMW

[solemn lion]

A suggestion I haven’t seen made yet, what about making night time hours more likely to be couchable?
With the big reduction in couchability in general, it’s going to make night hours even more inaccessible to the vast majority of players

[sonic karma]

we can do this?

people treat my residential street as a highway, i'll update OSM immediately

[dusky crypt]

Just remember that people play world wide. Your night time is my morning depending on which side of the globe you are on

[sonic karma]

This would probably be based off of local time i would assume

map turns black ; more couchables

[glass gazelle]

I am going to rig my phone clock to only night time then

[solemn lion]

Night time in game is localized tho

[wraith zephyr]

I miss the night time fog of war.

[alpine vortex]

I wear my sun glass (memory hunt gear) at night time. So I can so I can so I can couchhhhhhh you.

Too easy to exploit night time couchable. Sadly

Orna would like access to your camera so you can take a photo of this node to prove it's night time there

[steep pilot]

Finally, AR functionality in Orna

[wraith zephyr]

And that's how Orna created the night time star constellation map

[alpine vortex]

I'm picturing Pokemon go AR catching for memory hunts and dieing inside

[dusky crypt]

I just like that usually while walking around I play PoGo

But since the amity change, I’m now hunting amities

[steep pilot]

I downloaded Orna because I never want to open PoGo again

[dusky crypt]

Hahaha I felt obligated to catch a few dozen regional exclusives for my friends back home who are hardcore PoGoists

[steep pilot]

That's nice of you, I forgot about region exclusives.

[dusky crypt]

This tiny island happens to have both the SE Asia exclusives and the tropical exclusives so double duty

[digital patio]

Your night is my morning tho, how would that work?

Considering party systems based on UTC

[solemn lion]

Is it tho? It would be trivially easy to hard set day/night time by region

[sonic karma]

It's messed up right now for parties anyway based of geogrophy, might as well time of day too lol

[solemn lion]

Would work the same as it always has with UTC, but night people will actually be able to hunt without creeping around in the dark

[sonic karma]

Pythia; Couchable if

3 city roads
1 highway
after 20:00
Near a McDonalds
NOT near a walmart
Red hut, answer 3

[alpine vortex]

This month amity hunts are sponsored by Costco, I love you. 100% couchable rates for premium members 9 am to 6 pm

[sonic karma]

Target seems to be a couchable area, all my homies hate walmart

[sonic karma]

prove you're old and you get exclusive access to senior hours, 7am-8:44am

[solemn lion]

Y’all’s memeing but I’m serious, make hunting possible for us night people 😭😭

[solid tundra]

Costco at 1pm is best costco because all the snack vendors are out

Amity hunting and free snacks, the best duo

[alpine vortex]

If you get my reference
... Your old

[sonic karma]

welcome to costco, I love you

holy cow that movie is 20 years old

[alpine vortex]

The matrix reloaded is 3 years older then Idiocracy....I think it's time to go get my hips checked before my next memory hunt

[wraith zephyr]

My map confirm that the nodes are snap to the nodes tag in OSM.

Which those map nodes at my place are mostly security gates.
Colour by colour.
Red went to another node far away.

Also it's not snapping to residential tag too.

[alpine vortex]

Red and blue shouldn't snap to anything.

[wraith zephyr]

I kiv on that.

[spring orchid]

we don't use nodes for memory hunts

[wraith zephyr]

Let me check the minigames, cause the minigames if I'm not mistaken is at the same place too.

Blue spawn on top of the fountain, 2 minigames spawn on top of the fountain, which is the node that is a security gate.

On my left there's actually 4 nodes on OSM. all those minigames are at those 4.

The reason why I notice is because my character always miss those minigames/nodes circle by a certain range.

Are those nodes consider part of the highway=path tags?

[spring orchid]

red and blue and random locations, so OSM is not used for them

those are just road-heavy locations, so there's more likelihood that a spawn could be there

[worldly wraith]

Has anyone been able to verify if an amity persists when you stay in the same group, location, and time of day? Or does it definitely not work that way anymore?

[spring orchid]

yes, that is still how it works

[worldly wraith]

Thanks odie san

[heady lantern]

DId memory hunts break for anyone else right now? I cant click into a battle node that I was doing for 10 mins. Im not able to make a bug report either

Odie plz

[steep pilot]

You were doing a battle node for 10 minutes?

[heady lantern]

I was able to do it now I cant click the green battle button.

it doesnt load into the battle

[steep pilot]

Does it still happen if you pop another DM?

[heady lantern]

if I pop a new dm I can go into battle then it just sits on the battle screen

something is broken bad

I beat the battle after starting a new dm and its sitting here.

Can anyone else test battle nodes RN

[solid tundra]

Just tested one and same issue as you

[heady lantern]

im not able to make a bug report for some reason

[spring orchid]

/reportbug is the command

but your issue is likely this: https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1503639773145858068

[heady lantern]

no its not

[heady lantern]

i reset the party and im doing DM's fine now without the battle node

something broke with battle nodes at least for @solid tundra and I. Im on a samsung galaxy s25 ultra

[solid tundra]

S22+ over here. I had started the memory when the patch was being deployed and its just stuck there now

[spring orchid]

seems okay for me. did you double DM?

[solid tundra]

Eventually yea to see if that cleared the game being stuck

Moving locations and using a new dm fixed it

[heady lantern]

I needed to leave the party and start a new party. No restarts or new DMS fixed it. Ill check back next hour if I get a battle node to test

I dont think I double dmed. Thanks for checking I hope that was the problem strange that I needed to leave the party for it to fix itself.

[steep pilot]

I can confirm I'm having the issue happen to me too

Nevermind, apparently opening my screen recorder fixed it 🤨

[heady lantern]

Mine worked for 20 mins then it froze up on battle again. I had to leave the party and try to find a new couchable party

[heady lantern]

ill give that a try next time