Thronemakers (2026)

[echo cypress]

let me look

i do have demeter, what path?

[hasty silo]

Thief event mode f10, add me for inv

Gl

[echo cypress]

I got 6 shades on floor 10 lol

[hasty silo]

Rip, was worth a shot

Just have to rely on rngesus for these

[little loom]

No, 100% Reraise uptime would still be possible, thus not fixing the issue

[north bay]

Then, reduce act rate? Or from 80% cast success to 20% cast success?

Unless it's the summon kheepers that's making it a problem?

[little loom]

How would act rate be reduced? Nerf all act rate gear?

[north bay]

But basically idk. I personally dislike visual buffs that have a chance to fail (again, false sense of security) but that might be just me. Ir imagine something like a DC buff but it has a 20% chance not to buff your stats

[north bay]

No, from the follower/summon itself?

[ornate thicket]

It can be boosted by gear/buffs and it will be the same issue we had before

[north bay]

Low base act rate, like living arch armor or something, and if people want it to be useful they'd have to slot in follower act adorns/gear

[honest bramble]

Odie

Replace reraise with Dispel II

[little loom]

It’d just be brought back up with gear/adorns

[ornate thicket]

While Odie is here I'm once again asking for option to store the follower for Othersouls so they can use mask

[north bay]

Yes, but then players have to exchange certain stats for it no? Like instead of having 100% Crit then they'd have to settle for like 75% Crit chance

[untold urchin]

It'd also just cause the sandals to be unbalanced with TMM while other classes get shafted

[little loom]

I’m sure anyone would take 75% crit for immortality 🙂

[north bay]

Haha fair enough, awful example from my part

Im just wondering if there's an alternative other than having buff on but with chance to fail.

[ornate thicket]

For context you don't really need pet act adorns to do this. You can make guaranteed 3% act pets to use their buffs every turn with just ang bonus and Brynhild

So both crit and immortality will be possible once again

[north bay]

Well I'll concede, relying on a 20% chance to fail pseudo revive does make things spicier

[ornate thicket]

It's way way better than sc? 🥲

[north bay]

Well you can have reraise and SC no? Haha at least for some classes

[untold urchin]

Imo, 20% is still way too strong for a skill that can cheat death. 50-60% is much more reasonable

[ornate thicket]

Unfortunately you can. And I'm sure in few days we will see some deity being nearly invincible again

I guess I'll change the name if this happens. No need to buff Conqueror's guild if we have broken PVP vs immortals

[fervent belfry]

If they wanted to have reraise always work,
but have a lower chance to be applied
the spell would need to have a chance to fail to cast like wyvern speed or any other non-guaranteed buffs.

Then even if the follower casts it each turn it wouldn't have 100% uptime (assuming you die each round)

Having the reraise status fail to revive 20% of the time means you never know if you're actually safe.
Which is probably what they were shooting for.

[north bay]

Curse of Sekhmet from T6 weapon somethat counters immortality/Regen builds tho

Maybe add curse of Sekhmet as a follower/summon spell, idk like cobra?

[ornate thicket]

There are definitely ways to counter this. Not sure it's healthy for the game to have just 1 op build and 10 others built specifically trying to counter this

But that's another long discussion. Deity with 1M+ ward and 100% first turn one-shot holding multiple cities worth of Settlements living near me sends his regards for now

[fervent belfry]

I forget this game has PvP element sometimes.
Having to fight reraise in those situations sounds pretty awful.

[north bay]

Definitely worth a conversation in another thread for sure

[brisk patrol]

Mmmmmmmm 🤤🤤

[brisk patrol]

How does he get first turn guarenteed

[fervent belfry]

I think if re-raise was something like
Gives: Reraise 50% instead of the Gives: Reraise 100% it is right now,
It could be made to always revive and be much more OK in PvE situations specifically.

you'd need to survive at least 2 turns on average in that case,
but the chance could be lowered more to make it more turns.

though idk if the status chance boosting gear (e.g. Finesse's Katana)
can work on spells your follower applies?
If you you might be able to boost the Gives back up to 100%?

[proper sonnet]

i'd like that kind of nerf better than the current state of reraise. Maybe anything like 25%-33% of a success rate upon cast
Idt status chance affects buffs applied to yourself

[brisk patrol]

It has a fail chance now and I take that as there's a chance it won't reraise you

[ornate thicket]

First turn one-shot, not just first turn

[ornate thicket]

As H. Corvus - that nerf would do nothing for me and I'll go for that 5000 floor run next day if it's implemented

[clever sigil]

Shhhhhh u spoiling too much sauce

[icy flax]

I was just about to ask this - is it seeded at all or just totally random?

[hasty silo]

Not party seeded so looking like just random luck to find everything to codex

[dim fractal]

Event version or standard?

[clever sigil]

Event

[brisk patrol]

Pretty sure there's no seed to these

[clever sigil]

Hope is a dangerous thing

[clever sigil]

Anyone knows what's the max ward after upgrade for this item?

[brisk patrol]

Should have similar ward to fsc but for helmet

[vapid dagger]

For your specific one, 64%

[brisk patrol]

Autocorrect hates me sometimes

[dense orbit]

My only remaining concern is that the ratio of boss to non boss encounters is almost 10 to 1. And being a cryptid spawn means golden boi can't spawn with a boss so I just hope it's not making it more rare than it needs

[elder juniper]

Imo the event spawns are bit too high

[dense orbit]

I think think the rate of event spawns for 10 keys is fine, i still find the occasional floor with 1 or 0 event mobs.

My issue is with the non boss event spawns

i would expect just as many sphinx kit, *apeshit, brown boi, snake encounters, etc, but i see maybe 1 or 2 of them a monument . like i said i just hope its not an issue that is gonna make golden boi, ramses, sheet more rare.

I did 100 ish monuments before the update and about 30-40 so far since the new update, and so far im still at 0 ramses/mejded, and 1 golden boi.

Im at about 600 neith, 200 ptah, 400 sekthmet, and 400 osiris..... and 100 ish brown boi, and brown boi is a common spawn. that can spawn with any boss or on its own, so it just seems off to me

[ornate thicket]

Yeah honestly Odie should give us game code and let us customize monuments

[vernal fable]

Fuck Monuments, I'm making a private server
First change: removed Bone Mammoth

[brisk patrol]

What bone mammoth do?

[vernal fable]

It's racist and likes to commit war crimes

[brisk patrol]

Insert infinite ward war crime meme here

I do think the spawns are a tad high for the bosses and the other enemies a bit rare

[dense orbit]

The easiest fix to bone mammoth is to figure out how all classes are getting 100% pet action rates .... I really don't get how 7 /25 = every diety and Gilgamesh has 100% ward rate

[vernal fable]

100% Pet action rate shouldn't even be achievable for non-Beo classes

[brisk patrol]

It has to do with the order of the skills and the odds of said skill happening

From there there's some ratio that if you have this much pet act and the skill falls under this much chance to start it's x:y ratio

[ornate thicket]

HOW DO I JOIN

[vernal fable]

Hop on Hamachi

[ornate thicket]

On it. Any chance SS3 is gone too?

[brisk patrol]

Sneak us the code and teach me how to code

[ornate thicket]

Claude, make copy of Orna. Do not make mistakes

[vernal fable]

SS3 is gone, Second Chance can only proc once, Avidity can only proc once

[brisk patrol]

Warning I've tried to teach myself and I'm really really bad at understanding code

[ornate thicket]

Ok, enough spam in the discussion thread, I'm sorry

[brisk patrol]

Agree with the second chance. Avidity should be max + 2 turns.

[manic seal]

Yeah… Deities in my area have higher pet act rate and DB buff rate than me on Beo 😂

[honest bramble]

❌

[brisk patrol]

Tbh this is true tho beo classes should be the only class that gets a pet to act every single turn and other classes should be more reliant on self buffs

Other than tmm since it's 100% buff chance or other pets that specifically have a 100% or extremely high % chance to act anyways

And maybe it's solved by making pvp pet act and pve pet act

[torn sand]

if someone is investing on act rate they should be rewarded

limiting it to beo is not that good

[hazy violet]

y'all mind moving this to another thread?

[dim fractal]

same numbers here, but zero rare ones.
You have been lucky 😄

[dense orbit]

At this point I'm just speed running them, 1 event mob a floor, and key chests. I have so many adornment I'll never recover

[dim fractal]

it will become the most frustrating event ever, with this zero spawn rate of rare mobs.
It will be very funny to have a non completed codex.

[vapid dagger]

Do we know if luck gear still effects the end of monument raids for event monuments?

[dense orbit]

It does

With no luck you aren't getting full drops

So max your luck, and pop karmic ornate, and use 2x tails

[vapid dagger]

I am once again asking for a new use case for seals of elysium or even a way to exchange those for other seals

[stark musk]

You can exchange them for Proofs of Avarice

[toxic fable]

I never thought I'd see the day where monuments were this good for torment farming. Please keep this event mob density, even if it triples my runtime.

[echo cypress]

tor10 here i come

[toxic fable]

Also I can't wait for everyone's eastern masks to come out hot off the oven, only for the realization to hit that it's maybe a tad broken for a T6 item, even if the ward is cut in half.

[ornate thicket]

Yeah, monuments are VERY nice atm
You

• Farm mats
• Farm torment proofs
• Farm monument proofs
• Farm event gear
• Farm godforges
• Farm guild exp
  All at the same time

[vernal fable]

Eh, both mats and Torment proofs are very low compared to just farming Towers
But I agree they are much better now, I just wish they were much better QoL and navigation wise because there really are so many things to improve still

[vernal fable]

People in my Kingdom fully upgraded them already, it doesn't seem anything too special to me

[dense orbit]

It's ward is highest in slot. More so than t10 items. So for fresh players it's huge. I'm at 3+ years and don't have an ornate fsc yet but I have this for ss3 builds

[vernal fable]

If we are talking about PvP, there are many better items in that slot

[dense orbit]

Ss3 is good for more than pvp. For all coasses

Well most classes

[toxic fable]

It's an FSC with 0 defense and free berserk. It is literally the ultimate swash item.

[nocturne schooner]

Beg Y warrior helmet = 565k ward
Beg Y thief helmet = 586k ward
Eastern Mask = 632k ward

[toxic fable]

And it is t6.

[nocturne schooner]

Just saying beg Y used to be bis for ward

[toxic fable]

And I'm not even looking at the no follower bonus, which is honestly worthless

[vernal fable]

The problem is that it has no Dex and the Berserk chance on it is super low

[toxic fable]

If it was a t10 item that would be a realistic argument.

[vernal fable]

It also only has 6 slots, Beg Y has 10

[keen stone]

Ok let's change it to t10 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne schooner]

some old helmet calc when beg y come

so eastern break those values by a lot

who cares about def/res when you build for full ward?

[keen stone]

I don't get why the tier thing matters unless you're concerned about othersouls

[vernal fable]

Don't think anyone mentioned Def/Res

[nocturne schooner]

and tbh, this helmet is pointless for os imo

[toxic fable]

While this topic is on, a certain French player had a very good idea with regards to the no follower functionality at large: modify the effect to always be active, and force the follower into 0 act and protect rate. Would allow it to be usable without messing up conq defenses.

[nocturne schooner]

so you cant basically use it with pet? 😅

[toxic fable]

The no follower bonus requires no follower, this is basically kinda the same thing without removing the follower.

[nocturne schooner]

but what if I want to use it with pet and i dont care about the bonus? 😄 where my turn on/off button will be?

[toxic fable]

That's the drawback: this change would help with people who want to use the bonus but still have a follower in their PVP defense, but it would be a forced play style change otherwise.

Worth discussing imo.

[nocturne schooner]

High ward = no pet trade off. Ok.

(tbh the bonus will be like no stats for me, i want just ward 😄 )

[toxic fable]

Currently the "no follower bonus" is essentially worthless, so something needs to be figured out regardless.

We both know the current ward amount will not survive anyways

[honest bramble]

Yep

I mean nobody is using it

There are too many benefits to using a follower than not using a follower

25% stats is not worth it

[toxic fable]

I'll leave it at that, I'm not too worried about how the mask stuff turns out because I assume it is probably getting dissected in some way in the near future.

[torn sand]

with new patch notes i think final decree is better but i think it still need few adjustments

i think chain chance is too low considering its 2h

and ward isn't really needed i rather sacrifice(get it gsh?) it to get Charon ritual passive

pact bonus is perfect and I'm happy

[prime lichen]

Keep in touch with @glossy knot and ORN will monitor and get some testing going to see if further tweaks are needed

Credit to ORN for helping push through these changes

[torn sand]

another thing i will think is needed is that atk stat should be removed and we get lil more magic (ymir behir has 5t more mag)

[torn sand]

thx dangy

also nice to see ya

[prime lichen]

No, nice to see you all

[stark musk]

I'm just imagining @elder juniper's excitement now that the Eye of Osiris now has both follower and summon stat bonus on the same adornment

[dense orbit]

Fun fact. You can run and reuse codex kits if it dies :-p

[elder juniper]

wait what

[dense orbit]

But he begs them not to change it....

[torn sand]

yeah i thought about him first after seeing adjustments

[stark musk]

#patch-notes

[torn sand]

check patch

[elder juniper]

i meant that they should not remove the pet stat option, which was brought up alot

[dense orbit]

I know I'm being a shit head

[elder juniper]

holy moly

does the adorn now have pet act + summon and pet stats🥹

[stark musk]

Yes

[elder juniper]

wet dream

[toxic fable]

Live Odin reaction

[torn sand]

beo summoner eating good today

maybe deity summoner too

[honest bramble]

Odie now that you added 1% summon stats to eye of osiris - add 1% ward

[toxic fable]

(don't ask me why he is a bird with arms, please)

[honest bramble]

Or remove 1% ward from the eye of neith

[leaden ravine]

-# (He is beomner, he is one with all beasts)

[honest bramble]

Ward power + 2% ward on superior is overkill

[torn sand]

i just noticed that eye of osiris has no stat lol

yeah it should get 1% ward

[honest bramble]

Reload game

It now has summon stats

[torn sand]

i ignored that adorn that's why I didn't notice it

[honest bramble]

Oh i see

[torn sand]

I'm talking about stat (like mag, atk etc)

not summon or follower one

[hallow kestrel]

Refract and reflect should have same fail rate as counter attack

[dim fractal]

Tell us your secret!!!

[hidden osprey]

My man whatto da shitto isu disu desu ka

[dense orbit]

5 monuments an hour. 7 with brazier lit

[dim fractal]

that I already do

[hallow kestrel]

Is that like 150-170 monument runs since event start? That ratio to rare mob is evil….

[dense orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-nothing-left-to-do-cartman-south-park-its-over-thats-it-gif-20384053

[dense orbit]

100 ish before yesterday patch and 60-70 since

[echo cypress]

only thing left to do is to get 50 of each adornment in ornate quality

[dim fractal]

it will be still easier than meet the three monsters

[dense orbit]

Ooooo I'm half way there.....err 1/10th of the way there

[vernal fable]

Neith is useless at Ornate tho :(

[dense orbit]

Nyt uh it's pretty and uses more gold

Does pact DMG on final decree scale with ornate. Cause 60% seems low unless it goes to 120 at ornate

[torn sand]

low

are you fr?

[zenith sandal]

Pact Dmg is a multiplier like crit iirc

[torn sand]

120 is more than pact staff

60% is good

[dense orbit]

Isn't 2h pact staff 1.2x6

[torn sand]

pact staff give 100% pact bonus (if 1h)and 120% (if 2h)

[dense orbit]

Right. So this is 1/2 of pact staff

[dense orbit]

So are adornments added or multipled

[kindred mauve]

Multiplied pretty sure like apex

So 2 bidents gf is 1.65x1.65

[zenith sandal]

Multiplied afaik

[weary remnant]

pact staff gives. x2.48 (1.2 ^ 5), each x1.2 is multiplicative.

[torn sand]

@weary remnant thx but I'm too dumb to understand it like that

i did understand few things

[weary remnant]

it's 100, x1.2 = 120, x 1.2 = 144, and so on

[torn sand]

uh why is there 2.48 i can understand that 20% pact is 1.2

[weary remnant]

the 5 things inside is like 5 different items each doing x 1.2

[torn sand]

yeah i understood that part

[weary remnant]

ok

[torn sand]

but why 2.48?

[kindred mauve]

Because its multiplied all values not added

[leaden ravine]

1,2 ^ 5 = 2,488

[torn sand]

oh

i finally understood

[kindred mauve]

If it was added it'd be a rounded number realistically but usually with multiply it's not

[torn sand]

i thought calculation was 2.48(1.2 x 5)

so i got confused

[kindred mauve]

😭 Oh lmao

[weary remnant]

anyway "on paper" final decree still 100% unplayable in the endgame (ie, if you have other alternatives)

skill is 0% useful , you would never cast a 2 turn horde of small critters either for BP or for hypa, when you can autosummon it lol, or when their hp is low (for bp)

[torn sand]

if it get more chain chance (15%) and charon Ritual?

[torn sand]

yeah ik that it's off hand is useless

[weary remnant]

even if istead of chain chance it was "make your hypa full aoe guaranteed" it would be useless

[stark musk]

Semi-counterpoint, not every item has to be meta defining. Items can have niche or interesting uses and still not be 'useless'

[torn sand]

what about if it give Charon ritual (bonus)?

[weary remnant]

ok but i mean i don't find anything niche or interesting doable by it

for any niche content or situation, i see that as a drop that can be played on tour to get "the real things"

so early t10 before celestial and the like

the main thing is the skill is the same you autocast, so why bother using 2 turns?

for higher hp on minions you would suicide anyway?

giving up damage for ward (vs sequencer) would give options, but you have 2h celestial already to do that

i understand the chain chance but "maybe i will hit 4 instead of 3" isn't a tangible benefit. Maybe with guaranteed full aoe, or at least guaranteed +1 target, would still be bad but at least you can do something you can't do otherwise

so the niche would be covered at least

and keep in mind knight, gsh has no class items out, so getting it as our supposed class item is a little meh. Not everything has to be toptier-meta, yes, but actually for class specific items, they should help the class do it's things better in general?

[glossy knot]

I do think that a Mage’s Dance type or even Despair clone (Aaru themed) move as the off-hand, that would also allow it to be used to clear trash mobs before a HyPact

I don’t think the weapon is useless currently and I’ll be trying out a common tier until I get an Ornate and reporting back with numbers (and I’d encourage others to do the same).

Maybe it still needs fine tuning but numbers/videos/screenshots help with that

[weary remnant]

the magic is really low btw

you give up a huge quantity of damage between that and pact only x1.6

you do get a zillion tbuff duration though, but dynasty piece becomes worse without sequencer

[glossy knot]

I was going to try Spine Shards first then Mortars

[weary remnant]

given it's 9 slot at lvl 1, how many godforged?

orichalcum for sure is the adorn

[torn sand]

i agree

mag is little too low

[dense orbit]

So back to my original point at 120% mod, final decree would still be less dmg than a pact staff but at least closer :-p

[torn sand]

i really don't think we will get this much pact bonus

that's why i think more chain chance, Charon ritual and more mag are potential ways to fix it

[dense orbit]

For sure. All good options.

[torn sand]

i really want Charon ritual on it and replace off hand ability with something cool that can provide utility

maybe add reraise in temp buff pool for gsh

it might work

am i cooking

[dense orbit]

Summon protection, or 2hbonus might be nice. On the idea it's used for horde dungeons

[torn sand]

summon protection doesn't work with gsh because it work better when you have many summon in field

2h i donno about that

I'm interested in things that can increase gsh temp buff pool

[weary remnant]

that's the only thing that weapon already does, because you can use the slots for orichalcum

[torn sand]

wym?

ik orichalcum can be used for buff duration

[weary remnant]

ah you wanted different tbuffs nvmd

yes

[torn sand]

reraise to be specific

[weary remnant]

you can get to like 170 or whatever it is, i don't know how many slots at gf (or anguished) as i don't have the ornate

lol

[torn sand]

because summoner can't really utilize it

without sacrificing something significant

[torn sand]

same

[manic seal]

where can we find these two monsters please?

[echo cypress]

monuments, event themed, incredibly rare

hope that helps

[manic seal]

hmm I'm starting to believe they are not in the game yet, found 0 in monuments

[hasty silo]

They are, just really good at not showing up

[echo cypress]

there's proof above of them in the game lol

[manic seal]

are they quest progression locked by any chance? I'm still at the ornate quest

[hasty silo]

Definitely not driving codexers crazy trying to find them

[echo cypress]

nah they just pop up

[dense orbit]

#1478039601544171704 message

[echo cypress]

they were finding bedsheet boy before the event popped up

[dense orbit]

There in the game but ridiculously rare

New patch.... still (21.5) still no auto select for chest

[echo cypress]

I noticed that as well

it's coming, soon

it was released in patch notes yesterday

[stark musk]

Delaying my update so I don't get auto-selected chests 🙏

[manic seal]

by the way, do any of the event mobs spawn in dungeon/boss dungeon?

[echo cypress]

the snake bros and the sphinx bros do

idk if the beetles do, i want to say no

[stark musk]

I really do not want auto selected chests because of how delayed the interact button is

It's too buggy to support them without being annoying

[manic seal]

beetles and shades don't? :/

[stark musk]

It's a monument event

[echo cypress]

i got the update, game patch notes don't have it in there, ill test

[manic seal]

gotcha ty

[echo cypress]

it doesnt auto select in game yet

er lemme double check

yeah it doesn't auto select yet

Bug report started ❤️

[vernal fable]

I was autopiloting and didn't even notice, second chance saved me

[dark echo]

Just him by himself? Good luck

Eases me just knowing it shows up.
What monument and path if you recall?

[vernal fable]

ggez

Event version of Ithra, Warrior Path

This is the second super rare I find

[dark echo]

Ah k, I've only seen the rares in fire/beast. Was hoping they're not type and path specific

[toxic fable]

I've now gone from monument guild level 126 to 131.75 and have seen 3 gold bugs and 1 Ramses.

[vernal fable]

I went from 30 to 50something and saw 1 gold bug and 1 cutie

[toxic fable]

Burton you can't celebrate until I see the gilded drop

[echo cypress]

redacted, sorry!

[analog kindle]

auto-selected chests based on rankings that you could configure in the monument guild would be 🐐

[vital notch]

Anyone pulled a golden scarab out of the accessory chest?

[torn sand]

you need unholy amount of luck for that

[vital notch]

Im not trying to, just asking if theres any confirmation of that happening

[dense orbit]

You would need to be t9 to pull it

[toxic fable]

Since the chest change I've been pulling stuff like immortal rings. It should be possible now.

[dense orbit]

Interesting I'll have to try then

I thing kronq got one from astral tree

[toxic fable]

Only problem is that change altered the chest seed, and now there is only 1 accessory chest in green and blue monuments now.

So chances to pull it are not plentiful

[vital notch]

#🏆│triumph-and-tragedy message

This is an astral tree pull, assuming they exist there and we are also know we can get event items through these chests i assume its possible

[toxic fable]

I pulled an arisen Aaru item from the astral tree, you can certainly find event items there.

[torn sand]

oh

[dense orbit]

Well u used to be apparently it was changed

[summer ferry]

Does guild karma increase the chance for event crafting, too (like eastern mask)? Or only for guild shop? (the description says guild shop but the descriptions are not always exact)

[toxic fable]

I've been pulling broken masks with over 700 karma, so I find it quite unlikely.

[summer ferry]

OK, thanks!

[dense orbit]

Knight said yesterday karma doesn't affect ceafting

[summer ferry]

Good to know!

[dense orbit]

Ramses is a monster not a boss?

[hallow kestrel]

It would be great if some of these adornments could stack since it looks like the stats are the same.

[analog kindle]

adornment stacking in general is something I've suggested in the past -- #💡│suggestions message

[untold urchin]

Ye, hes a monster

[dense orbit]

Odd wouldn't have guessed. I was worried codex failed

[soft hare]

I was so confused because I thought this said "Choose your Ptah" 😂
Odie, why you hurt my brain?

[lethal totem]

Missed oppurtunity.

Genuenly best joke i have heard so far in Orna

But the fact its ptah is 90% of the victory

[manic seal]

that would have been so funny lol 😄

[hasty silo]

Can I trade this for gold scarab encounter?

[open lodge]

Is it normal for magic to get smaller numbers than attack?

[proper sonnet]

Maybe not, but tbf manaflask power is a m1 multiplier, and each adorn acts as individual multis afaik…

[slender brook]

Can we get s way to convert elysium seals in the other seals? After buying the spell and the follower they are just laying there

[torn sand]

i want more use of seal of elysian

but something or make something

[honest bramble]

Id rather add final decree to the reward pool so you can buy it from the event shop

[torn sand]

like osiris raid scroll

from seals

[dense orbit]

I'm surprised they were not used to craft eastern mask

[kindred mauve]

Im lowk glad it dosent

[brisk patrol]

Yes just look at how almost every magic spell has higher m1. While almost every attack based skill has higher m2.

Just not typically by this much.

[hazy violet]

Mages also have overall higher Weakness Damage utility than Melee, which plays an influence too.

[brisk patrol]

Do they tho?

[silver grove]

likely not a very productive discussion for this thread

[brisk patrol]

It's about the amount of att or mag 2 new event adorns have and if they should be nerfed/buffed to represent the other equally

Therefore productive to the event topic

Same thing with Eastern mask

[stark musk]

It's funny that depending on who you listen to the Eastern Mask either needs to be buffed or nerfed

[tawny wolf]

Hey guys i don't know what I'm missing but I'm no longer able to enter event monuments, the option is greyed out and I cannot select it, I can only enter normal monuments 🤔

[vernal fable]

This was reported by multiple players, not sure what's going on. Are you T10?

[tawny wolf]

Ah i missed the other messages, but yeah I'm t10, currently lvl 135

[vernal fable]

That's not T10 but apparently everyone below T11 is currently locked out of event monuments, don't know why

[tawny wolf]

Sorry I meant 235

But thanks for your reply, guess I'll do a normal monument atm

[ornate grail]

I don't mind the amount of boss spawns at the moment cause to be honest I'm using monuments to GF everything, but all the other encounters seem to be just extremely rare, so we either find a meeting point with the bosses and other event hordes or we mix them with the bosses, I'm ok to have the scarabs coming just with osiris for example, the blanket guy with ptah and the mask guy with both warrior and thief path bosses maybe

[dim fractal]

yes, that would be a solution.
Raising 20 levels in the monumental guild without meeting one of the rare mobs is just a nonsense

[dense orbit]

There really is no justifiable reason for Ramses and mejded. I have already crafted 200 masks for my ornate mask, and mejded is literally a Steward pegasus from Avalon.

The gold scarab being rare is 1 thing, but he is too rare imho and none of these 3 add any enjoyment to the event. The regular scarabs are common and only appear 1/10 as often as the common bosses... So I can only imagine that the gold scarab is indeed more rare than intended.

I have gone from 99 to 104 and done almost 200 monuments, I have seen all 3x rares once each and they were all after the patch that increased event mob spawn rate (roughly half of my 200)

[dim fractal]

we all know this post.
They are still way too rare.

[dense orbit]

If it's a codex challenge remove it's loot entirely from the game

[kindred mauve]

Just found my first one today after a combined shade kill count of like 2300

So 😭

Like I'd say it's way too rare icl

[dense orbit]

I'm at 2308 shade and have seen all 3 exactly 1x but my numbers are skewed since I don't full clear anymore.

[kindred mauve]

I've not seen med or ramasses

Just 1 golden kheper

[dim fractal]

2847 and zero, here.
You have more luck than me

[dense orbit]

To me a better codex challenge would be to figure out how to spawn the rare guys.... Like maybe you have to take a certain path through a monument or only kill certain enemies to get them to spawn ... Making them ultra rare so when you do find them you just pop a codex kit then flee until codexed isn't really a challenge it's just luck

Like what if bettle only spawns if you kill 10 brown bois, or if Ramses only spawns if you happen to kill all 4 shades in a single monument. And ghost spawns any time you clear a floor if 5+ bosses

[dim fractal]

The first Medea was a fair codex challenge , even without codexing kits.
Now lookign for a mob for tehth of thousands of attempts and just click (if you find them) on the codexing kit, meh...

[ornate grail]

I've found one med during the first hour of the event so I guess that was pure luck, but I wasn't expecting them to be so impossible to find, I get the challenge which is understandable for an average player, but if hardcore farmers are complaining about the encounter rate then I guess it needs a bit of a rework

I'm even happy to deal with specific conditions, like I should clear all 4 paths in a row before getting into any of them

Kill 100 normal scarabs to spawn a horde of golden ones or something like that

[torn sand]

let as craft something from seal of elysian that summon glided kheper

it fix 2 problems

use of seals of elysian

and glided kheper itself

ik I'm genius

[ornate grail]

That could be useful since they don't have any purpose after the 2 purchases

[dim fractal]

And still we didn't discuss the issue of monuments not so easy to have in range

[torn sand]

that's orna only problem 👀

[glossy hill]

Monuments aren’t supposed to be in range, they’re GPS content

[ornate grail]

I'd like to use the Elysium also to craft scrolls for Osíris raid

[dim fractal]

As I suggested, it would be nice to use the four seals to spawn 1-shot monuments. or change them with materials

[torn sand]

yeah it will be useful and you could give these raids to newbie who are planning on using gsh

because final decree is a decent early gsh weapon

and only other option

[manic seal]

Are we supposed to get this much seals from anguished event raids? On average I get 20 from those, but the kingdom raids give 3 on average..

[glossy hill]

In kingdom raids you’re probably not doing 100% damage I assume. Anguish shouldn’t increase the amount of seals

[manic seal]

no I'm doing 100% tested 10 kingdoms and 10 world raids

[kindred mauve]

Its rng pretty sure

[glossy hill]

Probably just bad luck

[kindred mauve]

Theres multiple times I go dry on raids and get like 4-10 like 8 times in a row

And thats world raids

[manic seal]

I'm not complaining, just saying that something feels wrong, I was able to farm over 100 dynasty scrolls in one hour with world raids, feels a bit.. weird?

[dense orbit]

I have enough to make 400 scrolls just from running monuments. So getting that many from world raids seems fine to me

[manic seal]

Might be but the imbalance between the world raids and kingdom raids is there for sure, send me a screenshot when you get 20+ seals from a kingdom raid (100% dmg), impossible.

[stark musk]

Yes

There is some amount of (irl) luck involved, but the kingdom raids do intentionally give lower seals than summoned raids

I forget the exact change that caused it, but I think it was the same one from a while back that makes summoned raids give more materials than kingdom raids. Previously both gave the same (lower) amount

[manic seal]

thank you for clarification. It just feels weird to have 200 dynasty scrolls on day 4 of the event when I remember I was struggling to farm 20 of them last time 😄

I do get 1-3 sometimes from world raids but the scales are definetly pushed towards the higher end of the spectrum.

[stark musk]

The power creep of discussion threads every event with people complaining about wanting things easier

[little loom]

discussion threads OP

[stark musk]

Except not- because I'm not really joking there. See: people crafting hundreds or even a thousand Beastfelled scrolls last month lol

[little loom]

2026 H1 Balance Patch
- Removed discussion threads from Discord

[stark musk]

You'd make the ORN's life easier

[ancient wagon]

incoming balance patch 👀

[manic seal]

all I can say is that I definitely didn't burn all of my scrolls and spent all the seals in fear of a price nerf 👀

[dense orbit]

It's been that way for a while. Every Ragnarok it is the same for the runes....the kingdom raid variants are always the limiting factor

[manic seal]

felt like this one is getting Ragnaroked as well 😂

[dense orbit]

At least for throne makers they all have world spawns

[manic seal]

I bet Odie anticipated this and secretly lowered the drop rates, bc I am getting shaite from these scrolls 😄

[ornate thicket]

Server patch

[toxic fable]

To those who are hounding accessory chests since the change, any luck with a gilded bug drop? I'm not complaining because I do assume it's rare, but it feels very weird that literally half of my accessory chests are immortal rings

[honest bramble]

Nerf the t6 mask
Either cut the ward in half, or add massive negative mana, hp, def & res stats to it.

[toxic fable]

Huge negative defense would be a massive buff for swashing

[honest bramble]

Hm, you are right

I forgot about swash

[toxic fable]

Yeah I really underestimated the mask at first because I just never swash. 0 def on that thing is kind of nutty.

[honest bramble]

Edit:

Nerf the t6 mask
Either cut the ward in half, or add massive negative mana & hp stat

(Forgot that negative res can also be fixed by fey serpent things)

So easiest solution actually would be cut its ward in half

Then id see it as balance

[toxic fable]

Just cut it into an eastern and a western mask. Each of them takes a hand slot.

[stark musk]

I'm not convinced the mask needs massive nerfs

The only recommendation was turning off boss scaling (but keeping the adornment count by adding 2 slots) which would decrease ward a fair amount.

The important question for anything OP: What is it doing that's OP, and why is doing that overpowered?

[untold urchin]

Aside from the ward, it's not doing a whole lot that can't be achieved already. The no follower bonus itself isn't enough to make it worth it and even with the 2h bonus it's a worse aaru in terms of damage

[ornate thicket]

Anyone noticed any changes to monument spawns? They feel a bit different now

[manic seal]

different how

[ornate thicket]

Going through some more to test, noticed there are significantly more regular mobs, but maybe just weird luck

[dense orbit]

I'll let you know in 30 min lol

[toxic fable]

I'm seeing the 2h bonus as a superior form of Crit damage/multi hit since it helps m1. The mask is basically the missing Arisen Pumpkinless Helmet and has more 2h bonus to boot, now add swash potential and a berserk buff on top of that.

It has a defined t10 role even with the ward cut in half.

[untold urchin]

The zerk buff is really only good in horde content, but having used it for the past 2 days, I really only value it for the ward. The fact that it comes close to aarus damage is a bonus

The 0 defense is great for swash but it's not an enabling piece like beg y or aaru that already have negative defense

[toxic fable]

Yeah, that's the one saving grace.

[ornate thicket]

Upd: idk, some floors just feel weird - 2 things I noticed is less overall event hordes and a bit more event mobs vs bosses. But maybe I did too much monuments and going crazy

[toxic fable]

But then we have to remember that this is a t6 item.

Converting it to a t10 item would solve half of the issues, and the ward is probably scheduled to be cut already.

[brisk patrol]

i mean it has no other stats tho so couldnt that be something?

[toxic fable]

2h passive is a noticeable direct boost to main offensive stats, the numbers are just hidden behind a passive.

(not even mentioning the no follower boost )

[dense orbit]

Popped a brazier.orna (showing you things you've never seen before) to get 2 more monuments...no changes noted. 3 total non boss event encounter

[ornate thicket]

I guess weird luck then. But floors like these were never happening to me before, only today

ofc while I saw a lot of regular mobs, there were no rare ones

[brisk patrol]

i wish odie would stop changing things without adding patchnotes for us

[weary remnant]

kingdom is 1-10, world 1-25

[keen stone]

Definitely feels like event mobs got tuned down a bit.

Also I hope the eastern mask doesn't get nerfed or doesn't get nerfed too hard. It would be nice if it's still usable somewhere, unlike eastern regalia

[brisk patrol]

the main nerf would likely be to ward

[weary remnant]

mask should be nerfed a lot at the t6 level (like half the ward it has currently), and a t10 arisen eastern mask should exist with 14% ward at 200 instead of 18 but higher "no-pet" buff

and the t10 mask should be 5x3 seals per roll

one of the problems with the current mask isn't only it's stats at max, but how easy it is to get a 190+ one

[vapid dagger]

This would make the people who took 1000+ rolls to get their first ornate masks extremely angry

[weary remnant]

i have a 197 and a 188 so i am speaking "against myself"

[ornate thicket]

Took me 600+ rolls for first ornate. was not easy.

[stark musk]

There's not particularly a reason a T6 item can't have that much ward

[toxic fable]

TBH eastern regalia needs a large fix or something. Feels kind of sad to see that it is still basically unused.

[stark musk]

It's odd for sure, but having a high ward zero def/res item isn't carrying any new player through the game

[kindred mauve]

Just change cleave to slice and I'd use it tbh

[weary remnant]

the hardest part of the 600 rolls is clicking the buttons, but the mats to roll 600 times are easy

[ornate thicket]

+1 here. Ward is relative since it just gives % of existing ward. Having +HP would be way worse

[toxic fable]

As much as I'm going to enjoy putting a bunch of masks on my OSes, I also think we shouldn't go down this road. 🤷

[stark musk]

I'm not convinced it's even good on an othersoul lol

Def/Res seem to matter much more

[toxic fable]

My view might be warped on that given how weak my area is to be fair.

[weary remnant]

chained shadeblades build with riftrogue t6

was the bis (imo) before

with surtr adorns

[ornate thicket]

I'm trying it for purely offensive build since I'm already using 2H on it and it has nice crit built in
There are other options though for sure, some can be better

[weary remnant]

sekhmet adorns + mask make that build utterly insane

[ornate thicket]

Also still we can't use no follower for OS

[weary remnant]

crit 9 and 2h buff is huge for t7 OS

[ornate thicket]

Yep, but at the same time mask missing 2 adorn slots, right?

So it can be +80atk and 4% crit

[weary remnant]

9% 2h is more than 80 atk

i have att 1296 on OS t7 rn, and that's before i put in sekhment and remove surtr

[ornate thicket]

Ofc, but you can also have +def and res

[vapid dagger]

I do think if the ward is nerfed, it should get some stats like we saw in the codex before the event went live

[ornate thicket]

Also tbh even without mask I already have 1300+ atk and it's not enough to do ANY dmg to the one OS which is pretty much in every settlement in my city

I get 0ed using any skill (with mimic)

[proper meadow]

Balancing an item around other soul performance is wild to me

[weary remnant]

mimic? anyway i just slice

[proper meadow]

Like lmao

[stark musk]

Basically what I was about to say

[proper meadow]

Guys come on

[weary remnant]

well that's the only use of under t10 items for all endgamers , and there are more endgamers than t6 people who would farm eastern mask at ornate so

and i am told pvp is super important in orna especially, including OS for conq guild

[proper meadow]

Do end gamers care about other souls?…I decked mine out and haven’t used them since.

[ornate thicket]

Yeah, that's really weird thing to say? Let's add 600atk weapon to t3 and pretend Conq guild doesn't exist then?

[proper meadow]

They give a trivial amount of benefit for conq guild rewards if any at all

[weary remnant]

the pvp-inclined ones would care i suppose?

[proper meadow]

I am a PvP inclined one

[ornate thicket]

What if I just enjoy this content? 😭

[stark musk]

Better start grinding a couple masks

[proper meadow]

Other soul performance is just not tipping the scales here to balance a item in contrast to the rest of the game

[weary remnant]

might be different math in orna vs hoa then, because those settlements are really important for us (the OS ones i mean)

[ornate thicket]

Done!

[proper meadow]

If that’s the case then I would understand

In orna only the emperor spot matters

[stark musk]

In Orna they provide literally no benefit aside from the Conq proof and xp you get for taking them

[proper meadow]

I think balance consideration in this matter should be split between HoA and orna if the rewards are different

[weary remnant]

well rest of the game is, for t6, tad too much ward although given it's hard to farm ornate for them, not game breaking. For endgamers using mask on main, could be relevant for ward multiplication but should ask gilgas about that

[weary remnant]

so only t11 matters for daily mats in orna? weird

[little loom]

Can confirm no changes to spawns today, folks

Further changes would absolutely be in patch notes

[proper meadow]

The ward is impressive yes but Dex matters a lot more these days for Gilga

I would rate beguiled Y as superior to mask on this alone

[ornate thicket]

Btw I'm still confused about this after this message

[stark musk]

I'm coming at this from:

In Orna the mask is currently in line with being good, I would say is not too good. It's a fun, solid item that slots in compared to items like the Arisen Aaru Headwrap with some tradeoffs.

[proper meadow]

To get maximum benefit from the mask you have to run two handed and now follower. That’s not happening on Gilga base or herc. And Gursa already has Ward nerfs (innate and Ward power)

[stark musk]

(From tests not done by me) it apparently tends to provide very slightly less of an attack boost than an Aaru headwrap even without a follower.

Edit: this is for Realmshifter

[proper meadow]

It’s a niche for horde imo

Will make for a nice new max ward screen shot to share in flex channels

[honest bramble]

Simple answer - swash

[kindred mauve]

Swash is not that op come on

[honest bramble]

Any swash user would MASSIVELY profit from it without sacrificing something

[proper meadow]

?

[honest bramble]

And 80% ward

cough cough

[stark musk]

Ensseric and I were both referring to BoF builds in what we just talked about

[honest bramble]

On a t6 item

[weary remnant]

there are already very good alternatives for bof users that's the point

[proper meadow]

Idk what the issue with this being t6 is. Outside of the HOA discussion with other souls it’s not like t6 players and below can even benefit from 80% ward

Ward only works when you stack it across all your items

[honest bramble]

Thats not true

[proper meadow]

The mask alone isn’t doing much of anything at t6

[honest bramble]

My t9 othersoul has 25k ward

[proper meadow]

Yes and?

[honest bramble]

Now imagine +60% ward to that

Thatd be 33-34k

[proper meadow]

Are you orna or hoa

[stark musk]

He's HoA

[proper meadow]

Okay then that’s fair for HOA

[honest bramble]

Im not HoA, im Merrrrrrr

[dense orbit]

You are cringe is what you are

[kindred mauve]

As a hoa myself at t9 without mask I was able to get 30k ward without mask

[proper meadow]

For orna is a non issue t9 OS is still going to get wrecked by your average summoner

[honest bramble]

I am sorry you feel this way

[proper meadow]

There isn’t a PvP scene there

[stark musk]

Lets trade Abyss's ban here for Merrr's ban on the HoA server
(I'm joking)

[honest bramble]

Thats true though

[proper meadow]

lol damn

[kindred mauve]

But i mean im not against the mask at all tbh,

[honest bramble]

Quickly saved

Im behaving, im a good boi

No reason for ban

[stark musk]

Then you can provide HoA-specific feedback in the correct place though

Instead of here

[honest bramble]

Thats true though

But im banned there so

Im here

[stark musk]

Which is why I suggested the trade

[honest bramble]

I dont wanna be banned here

[stark musk]

We get Abyss, the HoA Discord gets you. Balance is retained

[honest bramble]

Ok lets stop this discussion

And move on ok?

[ornate thicket]

Can we get this in #💡│suggestions

[proper meadow]

Discord meta balance thread time

[honest bramble]

Ok stop bullying me

[dense orbit]

I think people are just tired of HoA players spamming the orna discord with comments and suggestions that don't translate well between the two games due to their innate differences

[weary remnant]

well it's t6 but the biggest benefits i can see are for t8-t9 especially gs classline which can't stack def/res to meaningful amounts anyway at those tiers while and heimdall shield is already decent ward and the mask propels very high; anyway it wouldn't be utterly broken for them so

[honest bramble]

I think you should move on from this topic
This is a thronemakers thread

[proper meadow]

Yes and the balance discussion of throne makers is along the lines of a new item introduced in this event that performs differently between both games

[weary remnant]

wait how given crest items and manticore eyes? you can 0 out summons on OS

[echo cypress]

[proper meadow]

Seems on topic but could derail

[proper meadow]

Fair

Leaving on a flight now bye!

[honest bramble]

Dude you are the one spamming here off topic

[proper meadow]

Good luck with your on topic thread

[honest bramble]

Have a good flight friend

[torn sand]

since we (i) don't get much input from hoa dc i have to be in orna one

[honest bramble]

[honest bramble]

Yeah hoa server ded

There are like 3 people chatting

[stark musk]

Ok to get us back on track, these are my mask opinions and basically what Ensseric was saying too:

• The item is a good option in T10/T11, with some unique petless benefits and high ward. It's not always the best option which means it's sitting in basically the spot any new item should (imo)
• Being T6 is basically irrelevant for any T6-T9 player, aside from them maybe getting a cool item to use with 2H weapons during their account progression
• Balancing specifically around Othersouls is a bit silly in Orna, and I don't think this really even tips the scale for them anyway.

[torn sand]

and asking us hoa ppl to go away is so harsh

[weary remnant]

some1 said OS gains matter for daily mats in orna as well though

[stark musk]

It was tested and they do not, at least not in any way that can be shown in testing (so if they do it's a very miniscule %)

[weary remnant]

ok

[honest bramble]

That no follower bonus is still a bit off. I mean there are NO builds which dont include a follower

And summoners cant use it

[stark musk]

That's the point 😐

[dense orbit]

Not asking them to go away. Just saying that certain HoA players..
Not all....are a bit persistent with suggestions no matter how irrelevant

[torn sand]

i don't understand why 😔

[kindred mauve]

If summoners could use it that would just be free stats

[weary remnant]

no follower bonus is low i think, in the sense it doesn't push toward making it better than using pet in any case given the only simergy is with regalia which is bad

[stark musk]

The mask is there to help the no-follower builds 🤣

[weary remnant]

but that's more about buffing regalia

[torn sand]

yeah that's me

[honest bramble]

So basically nobody xD

[torn sand]

persistent and irrelevant suggestion guy

[stark musk]

Developers create cool items for people to find builds to use them in

[honest bramble]

I guess it might be useful on dara or dursa

Cus they create buffs out of thin air

All t.mag/atk buffs and t.all+++

[ornate thicket]

At the very least it can be good for here ara tower builds (just an example)

[weary remnant]

ah wait no pet can be bis for despair

[honest bramble]

Thats a good one yeah

But to a certain point

To a certain ang level when u gonna have at least 2-4% 1hp chance

At which point you gonna get nuked

[stark musk]

The entire point of creating bonuses like "no follower" is for players to think outside of the box and try new things.

Same reason the Aaru Dagger has a bonus to damage for enemies that have statuses on them, or Ruairc Gear gives bonuses based on DoTs on yourself

[toxic fable]

Why would a Hara not use TMM for free buffs as they take extra turns in towers? Seems wrong to me, but I am not a heretic.

[honest bramble]

I mean some people have extremely bad malus options

[stark musk]

TMM only buffs turns 2

[ornate thicket]

Pet barely will help. Huge ward from mask will

[honest bramble]

At high ang ward doesnt matter

Def res does

[toxic fable]

Yeah, but I mean Haras with built up manaflasks.

[stark musk]

No-Follower builds are for erasing the enemies turn 1

[honest bramble]

matter more

[honest bramble]

Yep

[toxic fable]

They can take 2-3 turns immediately.

[honest bramble]

And situations where turn 2 is a 100% nuke

[echo cypress]

and it's the eqivalent of 9 AL's isnt it? the way it's formulated?

[stark musk]

What's the amount at Godforge though? It's a bit more

[honest bramble]

70~ something

[stark musk]

No

[honest bramble]

With adorns 83

[stark musk]

It's definitely not lmao

[kindred mauve]

14 pretty sure

[stark musk]

The no follower bonus

[honest bramble]

Oh u mean no follower bonus

Wait

[echo cypress]

14% at gf

[stark musk]

Ty

[echo cypress]

so trade a pet for 14 more AL worth of stats

[toxic fable]

I just don't see someone actually using no follower, unless they pre-buff a horde then drop the follower or something.

[torn sand]

i would've tried something cool with aaru dagger if i could use it on gs (not gsh)

[vapid dagger]

Make both no follower bonuses 60% at godforged 🥸

(not serious)

[weary remnant]

non beo, non gs, have no use from follower turn 1 unless they have bb1 amity but even in that case it's very limited buffs available. So think despair 2h it could give more damage than alternatives to use mask, have to be checked

[vapid dagger]

From what I've heard the arisen aaru headwrap or hood will always be better than the mask

[weary remnant]

i don't think they contribute more than x1.14 x1.09 even if they give a lot of att/mag

[toxic fable]

Oh GS for sure, that's a derp from me. But I'm struggling to see other realistic use cases than the despair battles you mentioned.

[weary remnant]

no gs can't use it, doesn't get the bonus

[toxic fable]

Oh, TIL.

[weary remnant]

other than despair, even in tower yolo bof (say someone doing quick towers at lowish torment not max torment) could be max damage with mask

[toxic fable]

Just assumed they were categorized as no follower, guess not.

[weary remnant]

but might be too risky anyway for towers

[hazy violet]

It says in the item description that summoner doesn't count.

[toxic fable]

If you are running BoF in towers why not take TMM to buff for the free extra turns, etc.

Heck maybe the reraise follower could sometimes be okay there even post nerf, maybe free second chance.

[vapid dagger]

591 mag for 200% hood and 427 attack for 200% headwrap should be stronger than that no? Especially since you're probably already running other sources of 2h power

In the end, the % increase will be less since you already have your existing als and 2H power sources working on the stats from gear already

[toxic fable]

Btw Ancient, thanks for bringing that stuff up. Just realized I might sound a bit standoffish but that definitely is not my intent.

[dense orbit]

Slightly related...but I feel no follower builds would be better if followers were tied to equipment sets. It's not like we can't change our follower at any time with outposts.

[weary remnant]

oh np just brainstorming usage i am a fan of having a lot of different content options so that some stuff can be bis somewhere and some elsewhere

[weary remnant]

2h buffs are multiplicative with your att/mag buffs but not with other 2h buffs yes. But in general question has to be if the mag/Att contribution of the piece is asa a % of total att/mag, higher than 23 basically, which usually isn't the case? i mean maybe hera robe including ornate pinions is

but not heads i think

but yes math has to be math-ed

[vapid dagger]

I think knight himself said above that aaru headwrap for example still gives higher stats than the mask while also giving negative def for easier swash bonuses

[stark musk]

To be clear I said that someone else tested and came to that conclusion lol

[vapid dagger]

I don't think the case should be different for the hood then

Especially since while the 2h bonus will always remain useful, the no pet bonus will become worse as you go up in anguish

[echo cypress]

It makes clearing towers go by faster, not having to wait for the pet animation lol

[toxic fable]

I'll never get the follower animation annoyance in towers thing to the point that you give up being able to kill enemies with second chance.

Unless you are clearing so far below your potential or something? Not dying is always nice.

[echo cypress]

it adds up, similar to skipping the animation for memories

[toxic fable]

Dying also adds up though.

[echo cypress]

if i've queued 7 f50 towers, and spend an extra second on each pack, that's 12 minutes saved

true lol

[untold urchin]

Aaru stats on the left, mask on the right. The 9% crit does allow for more crimson pinions which is nice, so the gap is less than I thought. With a follower aaru still beats it, without a follower mask has 300 more attack on stat screen

Personally wouldn't run a tower without mammoth, but could see running quick towers without a follower

[toxic fable]

Mammoth, Oceanus, penguin, anything that helps with a second swing at a berserk at minimum. Giving up BeoH second chance also feels terrible.

(I'll stop derailing now)

[torpid sail]

Once you buy the scarab pet and spell, are there any uses for the elysium token?

[honest bramble]

Not really

They should bring last decree to shop and include elysium tokens for exchanging

[zenith lava]

I usually do runs on tower without pet so I'm gonna try to get a good mask

[brisk patrol]

id like to see aspects materials and hoc for exchange rate

[toxic fable]

Eh, there is already a hoc for event points. Could probably skip that, but I'd be pleasantly surprised to see aspects and materials.

[icy flax]

Is there literally anyone enjoying the rarity of these codexes?

[lethal totem]

Speaking of final decree, in the codex on the website it looks likda bad and easily outclasses by a celestial option. Am i missing something?

[icy flax]

30 monuments x 12 floors x average 4 mobs per floor = 1440 chances, and there are 3 mobs. So what are the chances, less than one in a thousand?

[toxic fable]

I've gone from monument guild level 126 to 133; I have seen 3 gold bugs and 2 Ramses, no gold bug drops. I can't say I'm a fan, but I won't care unless I don't have my gold bug drops by the end of the event.

[icy flax]

No medjed?

[dim fractal]

66->86 still zero 😂😂

[dim fractal]

3308 shade hordes killed.
Zero spawn.
Calculations up to you 😂

[toxic fable]

Nope, no bedsheet boi

[open lodge]

With my full range view distance at the place I’m staying (brazier + farsight + torch + my VD build) I can see exactly 1 monument at near max

[weary remnant]

mag users don't benefit from negative def/res though

[weary remnant]

in theory bof procs for more turns is what you use to clear 2nd chance not the pet

[weary remnant]

main idea is also that aaru head is quality dependant, and not everyone for various reasons has a 195+ (which quality is yours?); so even if eastern mask is better than aaru heads for att/mag "up to" (say) quality 185 or something, it's still a good piece for a lot of people

[weary remnant]

not for now but we are trying to convince odie to give us some uses for them

[weary remnant]

it is kinda bad and i tried hard to brainstorm a niche use case for it but i don't find any, except perhaps early t10 before they have celestials

[devout heron]

Hi did you find Medjed & Gilded Kheper in Thronemaker ?

and i did encounter some Arisen Osiris but they didn't count in my codex 😢 i'm still at 0 encounter in codex but i have some status en loot information that i know of him

[stark musk]

They are findable but extremely rare

[stark musk]

The raids at the end of monuments don't count toward killcount, but you can still codex them just fine

[dense orbit]

Just found the new version update to 21.7 !

No idea what's new I'll check auto chest when I get home

[devout heron]

Normal and Thronemaker mode ? or just Thronemaker ?

[stark musk]

Both

According to EXP-Less, he thinks they could be something like 1/100 monuments per encounter on-rate 😅

Not sure if that's accurate or not because there are a ton of variables

[devout heron]

woaw make sens i did approximatly 80/90 monument i only encounter 1 Ramsess

And for the raid Arisen Osiris he don't seem to want to spawn when i use my Scroll x)

[stark musk]

He's exclusive to Thronemaker monuments

[devout heron]

ho woaw

so he doenst count in kill count in codex and he is Monument Only

okay interesting, it's a god after all

[hasty silo]

1 in 90 is lucky tbh

[lethal totem]

in that stage i will probably just not use it as farming it is harder then farming tower shards xD

But TBF Bagpipe had the same fate. Slightly buffed, still too weak, then forgotten.
Kerberos Claws had the same fate.
This won't be different either.

[untold urchin]

Bagpipe is great, theoretically BiS, but its EoD and getting an ornate is incredibly rng

Kerb claws.. don't know why they had no love in the end. Kinda got attention but that was it

[vernal fable]

Bagpipe is BiS for what class?

[untold urchin]

RS, iono if it would be for Dursa, maybe?

[vernal fable]

Definitely not for DUrsa

[stark musk]

Why not?

Unless you just mean DUrsa should just use BL2

The bagpipes are deceptively not hybrid, they're just pure physical melee using attack stats

[lethal goblet]

Tbh I'd rather have this guy introduced as a horde summon, T7 spell, summons 2 of them turn 1

Would offer a lot to the T7/T8 attuner experience

[echo cypress]

Hmm

[echo cypress]

superior bagpipes or legendary thinblade?

[stark musk]

Change class

[echo cypress]

sorry to derail the thronemaking thread

[stark musk]

Because genuinely, neither 😆

[echo cypress]

im ejoying RS 🙁 especially during this event of making thrones

[stark musk]

Arisen Gandring would be the best option in that case, most likely

[echo cypress]

good, i have a high roll finishing up in the next few days

[lethal totem]

all i remember is "swansong sidegrade at best"

[stark musk]

Not when your class has less magic than a T1 Warrior!

[vernal fable]

He said BiS
An AL200+ Deity in my Kingdom got a 200% Bagpipe and showed us the damage is abismal compared to BL2

[lethal totem]

That is correct, but like, isn't gandring and thinblade just better then damage wise? Or is this about the element?

[lethal totem]

you cannot compare a warpipe with an actual weapon tho
BL2 go brrrr

[untold urchin]

Damage wise yea, but it's physical so at least in boss horde regular dungeons it wont get immuned to anything and it gets boosted by attack buffs.

I said Dursa since, to my understanding, its the attack deity and if you're using bl2 you don't use dursa, but thats why I put maybe

[stark musk]

Realmshifter & GUrsa:

A bunch of roughly equally powerful AoE options with different tradeoffs and elements

Everyone else:

BL2 go brrrrr

[glossy hill]

GilgaH/Base:

you guys are doing AoE?

[stark musk]

You're really really good at hitting exactly two enemies though

[jade iron]

And surviving

[dense orbit]

@stark musk tested 21.7...still no auto chest your safe

[stark musk]

Good since I'm not actually holding off updating lol

[stark musk]

Shade of Osiris seems to be once again missing skills

Compared to Neith, who most definitely has skills and keeps annihilating my Tier 6 alt before I have any hope of killing her 😆

[vast bolt]

418 rolls for mask. No ornate

[dark echo]

Anything to do with elysium seals after the first two purchases yet?

[hasty silo]

Hoard them for future use or sacrifice to monument guild

[dark echo]

Yeah, always hold stuff.

[hasty silo]

Definitely paid off to hoard rift fragments so who knows

[clever sigil]

I really think I'm lucky to get it with less than 100 rolls.

[proper sonnet]

i'm waiting to see if it gets nerfed, then i might bother to roll 🫠

[toxic fable]

When I actually went back to codex Neith, I was missing one skill. "shade of neith is getting angry!" Oh cool, that was pretty quick... then I took 127k damage and my follower exploded.

[clever sigil]

You need to pray more to RNG God.

I sacrifice my cats to do it.

[torn sand]

i found this silly guy instead of glided kheper

Adjustments for Final decree

1. Mag stat increase (around 300 to 400)

2)Chain chance increased to atleast 15%

3)Better off hand skill (under no circumstances anyone is using it)

4)Charon Ritual passive (around 20%)

another thing i would like is that final decree give reraise in gsh temp buff pool but the proc rate of reraise should be half of normal temp buff

I'm willing to lose 2h ability for better access of reraise

[lethal goblet]

Think that's asking a bit much tbh with everything else that's being worked on, I think final decree at most needs some more chain chance maybe, but atm it is viable, especially for those without celestial staff

[torn sand]

because unlike other classes gsh has worst access of reraise

[torn sand]

my plan is to make it viable for horde so gsh can switch weapon and build a little for different requirements

and it's 2h so mag is really needed

[lethal goblet]

It's viable for horde and raids rn

We can't blame hypa's bad split issues on the weapon really XD

[torn sand]

yea but better cr could be little help in horde

maybeeeeee

[lethal goblet]

The weapon improvements it's received are huge, and I think there's other things to fix like being able to get gilded scarab amulet XD

[torn sand]

True

but i want better access to reraise on gsh

unlike other class reraise on gsh is bit too difficult to get

so losing current 2h ability for something that give gsh temp buff pool reraise would be good

[clever sigil]

I second this. 60% Summon pact is huge. As a heretic main, I'm getting it just in case.

[lethal goblet]

It's huge for those without a celestial staff for sure

It makes this weapon a great early pact% weapon till you get a good nekromacer staff and celestial staff with all pact adorns

[molten snow]

staff is like +149% summon pact right

[lethal goblet]

Celestial staff is 100% with 5 pact adorns

Nekromacer staff is 20%

Final decree is 60%

[molten snow]

it should be multiplicative for the staff, so 1.2^5

[elder juniper]

Guys just chill and enjoy the event. Forget kheper and be happy if you find one. No need to become crazy

[lethal goblet]

( I messed up and used VSS instead of undead XD )

But it's not bad, believe me it's slow but it's viable/respectable AOE at least

I can almost hypa every floor, I'd need some mana regen ngl, and maybe dullahan cloak for more chain chance XD

[torn sand]

yeah hypa is very mana consuming

when will i get ornate last decree

[torn sand]

too late I'm already far gone

[torn sand]

yeah kheper spell is pretty useful

and we finally got a summon with passive ability iirc

[lethal goblet]

Second chance existed on tower guardian iirc XD

But yeah it's a good horde summon, it's straight down to CR rates to summon it cause 3 turns is way too long, the decree off hand ability is more reasonable to summon them yourself

[torn sand]

but decree off hand is useless

you could use summon dead

and it's not even event exclusive so you can get it easily

i really think any support skill on off hand would be better

because gsh isn't lacking in summon and damage (if you invest in it)

[lethal goblet]

Agree to disagree

XD 3 turns and 2 turns to summon is a difference

And in AOE situations every turn makes a difference^^^

Only scarab is going to survive the AOE, not undead XD

[torn sand]

hmm true but 2 turn is really long

[elder juniper]

I mean isnt collat dmg a passive ability aswell

[torn sand]

using spooky ghost could work as well

physical immunity and little more health

[elder juniper]

And ancient dragon has passive ability aswell

I forgot the name( the one that allows its attacks to proc blight

[torn sand]

which?

[lethal goblet]

Dark pegasus has mystic feather

[elder juniper]

Yea

[lethal goblet]

Some of our golem summons have shoulders of giants passive

[torn sand]

oo

[lethal goblet]

Ect

[torn sand]

i see i didn't know that

[elder juniper]

There is alot summons with passives

[lethal goblet]

Every terra legacy summon has collat

[elder juniper]

Kheper is not special in that

[lethal goblet]

Great mono has collat way before terra legacy

[elder juniper]

Yea

Btw summon undead mobs have also second chance

[lethal goblet]

It's pretty respectable in raids too, nothing crazy but I mean it's viable

[elder juniper]

Atleast some of them if not all

[lethal goblet]

None of them do

They are T3 mobs XD that would be crazyyyy

[elder juniper]

Weird bc i see them having 1 hp time to time

[lethal goblet]

Re-raise maybe?

But not second chance

[elder juniper]

Reraise is awfull on summoner pets

Wastes too much turns

[lethal goblet]

Gilded scarab has re-raise in its movepool

That's why I said, re-raise?

Undead have never had second chance, it was only tower guardian till now

[elder juniper]

Ehh how do i get gilden scarab to use re raise when im using onryo to spam summon undead

[lethal goblet]

Hmmmm, well depends, was it summoning the Halloween skeletons?

[elder juniper]

I mean onryo has summon undead

Thats it

[lethal goblet]

If so then yes you are correct

[torn sand]

don't say good things about last decree i want to get it buffed

[lethal goblet]

But summon undead normally doesn't have the hallowed skeletons in its spell pool

[elder juniper]

Hmm

[dark echo]

Will reraise conflict with GSH cruddy second chance ability?

[torn sand]

likely not

gsh second chance will proc first

then reraise

and that reraise can be lifesaver and you can summon without much worry

unlikely before where you have to feel conflicted on weather to summon or heal

[honest bramble]

Try maybe getting a mana restore adorns

And definitely a.trev charms

[lethal goblet]

Trev doesn't do anything for hypa lmao

It's slow ngl, and A.mammon still makes life painful, but it works

[honest bramble]

🤦‍♂️

A.trev charms increase +15% double handed each

= increases your mag stat

Mag stat = more damage

[lethal goblet]

Ahhh, welp that would require me to run less luck% though XD

Unfortunately I kinda deemed this thing much slower then my GSA

Not even in the same ball park XD

Dmg isn't the issue much, it's definitely CR rate at times

[honest bramble]

Just use daily luck bonus and dowsing rod

Go mel 10~ish

And u dont need any luck equips

[lethal goblet]

Here's a underworld portal run, 3 minutes

[lethal goblet]

I'd have to change maluses ect for mel 10 XD, I tested it with mel 1 for that reason

Don't get me wrong the weapon is great for players without celestial staff, nekromacer staff

But if players have those staffs it's not even close

[honest bramble]

What malus?

[honest bramble]

Nah

I see it as a good tanky option for high anguish raiding

Cus of mag scaling

[lethal goblet]

Perm buff fade, accuracy XD

[honest bramble]

Oh yeah i understand

[lethal goblet]

There's definitely better tank options

[honest bramble]

Slap accuracy bonus on helmet

[honest bramble]

Like?

[lethal goblet]

Running A.morri gear set+celestial staff with all pact adorns, nekromacer staff

Not only can you 0 agony 30 raids

But you don't lose any dmg output

GA gear can be similar in this

Decree is mainly good if you don't own a celestial weapon, outside of that your losing out on a TON of dmg output, and it's not really tanky either

[dark echo]

Mammon is legit redonkuloua

[lethal goblet]

Less ward then ophion banner XD and magic wilddd

But yeah I mean if this was meant for dungeons hypa build, you'd probably need a bit more chain chance on it at least, it's obviously a slow AOE but it's viable

Mainly I'd only ever use this in dungeons^^^

Raids wise it doesn't hold a candle to running a celestial staff/sequencer

But still happy to see this weapon is viable, great early T10 GSH weapon, decent in dungeons

[torn sand]

more mag, better access to reraise, more chain chance and cr i need that

give meeeee

i want itttttt

[weary remnant]

but damage is not the issue with hypa in dungeons, even when wielding a 2h aoe like qat or yel staff. The issue is that you can't perma-hypa so it's tricky and requires constant management of board state, to achieve what other classes just achieve by clicking a single button all the times

[lethal goblet]

I also kinda said this here #1478039601544171704 message

Dmg is fine, the managment is what feels dreadful XD

[torn sand]

that's why i want.... no i should just shut up now

[lethal totem]

Easily outclassed by celestial staff which also has better stats in general

And someone without prolly wont take the time farming a decent one as mag matters too

[stark musk]

I saw what you typed Besnar 😆

[manic seal]

😄

[slender brook]

To have ~ the same dmg as the celestial archstaff filled with pact dmg final decree would need ~1700 magic (at godrorge, 200 ornate)

[honest bramble]

Dont forget double handed+% adorns

And ang levels

[slender brook]

If you fill with solarite mortars you get 24% extra stats (12% with spines but let's say we go full dmg)

Tbh I do expect a super raid drop to be even so slightly better than a craftable celestial weapon

[torn sand]

it doesn't need to do similar damage as 2h pact staff but it needs more mag

lot more

i checked weapon and other stuff and mag is low too low

[slender brook]

Let's say it needs to be around 1500 mag so that it doesn't overclass a celestial without ang? Still think a super raid drop should be equal if not a bit superior

[torn sand]

it it provides cr and more chain chance I'm fine with 1300 mag

[slender brook]

It has 130 less mag and 60% less pact than a celestial archstaff filled with pact dmg bonus

[torn sand]

it has lower mag the ymir behir staff

can you belive it

[slender brook]

Pact bonus goes straight into m1 so it basically means you have 1760 from final decree against 2706 from celestial 2h staff

(when using pacts)

[weary remnant]

No, much much more

You need more mag to make up to even because the missing pact% applies Also to your other sources of mag

2k mag at gf wouldn't come even if you use Hera robe or fss and/or azure ornates everywhere which is the normal way to do it

Now in high agony g
For hypa gap gets smaller

But then comparison is to sequencer celestial + nekro and you never make up to it

[slender brook]

i thought it was fairer comparing 2h to 2h, also the difference is higher because they are multiplicative? (i honestly don't remembere, i made the calc with additive pact bonus)

[slender brook]

true, I was just comparing weapons

[torn sand]

Glided kheper really need more buff on spawn rate

it has no reason to be this rare

for other 2 understandable but glided kheper no also the drop rate is another issue

[honest bramble]

Dude

You are more on discord than playing

[stark musk]

Less complaining, more monumenting. Gilded Kheper won't find itself 😆

[honest bramble]

Maybe go level up to 250 first?

[torn sand]

so you get glided kheper (difficult) and it still doesn't drop it

[torn sand]

monuments on cd

[honest bramble]

You can do boss farm?

[torn sand]

i will stay 249

[stark musk]

Go out in the world and find some more

[torn sand]

on cd

[honest bramble]

He is on hoa

[stark musk]

That's why it was crossed out

[torn sand]

my vacation are going on I'm not leaving my home

[torn sand]

nuh uh

[honest bramble]

Noob

[torn sand]

but it really need spawn rate buff jokes aside

since drop is not guaranteed too

I've done more monuments in these days than i ever did

[stark musk]

Accessory chests are additional rolls for the amulet as well

[torn sand]

and i still couldn't find glided kheper

[torn sand]

only t9 can get it from chest right?

[stark musk]

No

Accessory chests were changed to roll down one tier

[torn sand]

tho i still chose them because of hope

but it's too rare just too much

[clever sigil]

What do you mean by roll down one tier?

[torn sand]

you can get accessories of your tier and one tier below your tier

[weary remnant]

yes multiplicative, but ok you can compare with 2h, still you need a lot more mag to become competitive with celestial 2h (i mean a lot more than 1700). Keep in mind for example that between summon stats and pact bonus, 200 nekro is moer damage than 200 AFMP even if the latter has insane mag and more slots

[weary remnant]

btw i think (not 100% sure) that if you got him at least once, you can codex him when osiris summons it

[stark musk]

That wouldn't really make sense

[toxic fable]

Speaking of accessory chests, anyone actually pull the gilged amulet from one at t10? I'm at almost 50% immortal rings after several dozen accessory chests, and I'm unsure if this is just funny expected luck or silliness.

[lethal goblet]

I've done accessory chest and haven't gotten any event ones from it XD

I always pick them just in case yknow

[clever sigil]

You need to pray to RNG God by sacrificing your cats.

Do a ritual for summoning.

Then when your cat seems annoyed, u have higher chance on the chest.

But make sure you donate some money to Odie.

[toxic fable]

I bought my first latchkey and another equipment slot, is that enough tribute?

[clever sigil]

As long as the cat not annoyed, is not enough!

[weary remnant]

i got 1 gold keeper without noticing early (like in the first 2 days)

then i codexed with the summons

except the drop (i didn't use the codexing kit yet)

[lethal totem]

How are we feeling about more TP -> less levels?

[weary remnant]

keep in mind that in despair, summons give proofs (solar drops)

and in monuments summons gave xp (rhada event)

[lethal totem]

I feel it is already shitty enough that finesse, conquerers, travellers and spelunkers level EXTREMELY slowly compared to the others.

Now we have a couple fast leveling events, and one slower.

Instead of compensating by increasting AP gain, increase event EXP.

Also, Raid bosses should give 10-20 EXP. Them giving 1 makes no sense.

[weary remnant]

event raids should give xp yes, 10 for 100% damage (maybe not the monument ones i guess those are ok 1 per). That should work for all events. I dread ragnaros, they have almost no minions (a few dogs and bugganes around aren't remotely enough)

you spend summon scroll , get some event raids, those should be 10 each. And kingdom shoul dbe split according to damage % as usual

[lethal totem]

event-EXP added as a currency just like anguish tokens seems feasable to program i hope
So you get 1 for the kill as usual and then 1-10 according to damage

and no i dont think lower tier raids should give less as thats not the case for mobs either

[weary remnant]

odie literally just needs to reword proofs of felling as event xp basically, coding each event raid as event-X and that's it

he already removed proof of fellings from kingdom raids a while ago (ninja nerf, not in patch notes afaik)

[toxic fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ragnaros-1

[lethal totem]

I have not thought about that.

[hazy violet]

I'm not seeing it in #1397573178431111219 . Do you have a link to where this was stated to be intended?

[weary remnant]

ah no idea but it has happened months ago so i thought it was intended

i vividly remember doing a bunch of dracos for draconite like in november and there were no proofs of felling

[stark musk]

Oh yeah, they are gone

I tried it with and without anguish turned on, no Felling

(Obviously Anguish doesn't affect kingdom raids, but it was worth trying to see if that what was causing them to go missing)

[vital notch]

Feels like endless treats doesnt work in monuments

[little loom]

Proofs of Felling are on a transition out, as they were replaced with Proofs of Agony in the Anguish 2.0 update

It’s been a longer transition than I expected, which makes an assertion of ninja nerf quite entertaining 😂

But overall, yeah, no need for 2 raid proofs

[open lodge]

I finally finished the quest and only got 1 cursed tail, not 23. 🙁

odie fixed the bug before I could gain from it

[vernal fable]

Can I convert my Felling into Monuments? Thank you

[dark echo]

Proofs of agony will drop from lower t5-t6 raids or lower tiers or is it just presumed nobody at lower tiers really does raids?

[little loom]

Kingdoms aside, Raids only really unlock at T7

[fervent belfry]

Temple of anguish is only build-able at level 175,

so you have to be T8 to get agony

[stark musk]

Fwiw I'm not sure T7s were spamming raids to buy materials

[fervent belfry]

I'm sure they're not

if you spam raids at T7 you'll quickly be T8

[stark musk]

And then you build the circle of Anguish, and problem solved 😆

[fervent belfry]

yeah

Was just pointing out that even if raids really only unlock at T7
you still got one more tier for agony

[glossy knot]

My t9 alt just pulled it from astral tree normal item box 😂

[dark echo]

There's some t5-t6 raids that generate from scrolls(outside of special conditions) but I suppose those are more for someone to carry a smaller player in?

[worthy lava]

Ugh….almost 30 monuments cleared and not a single sight8ng of the rare mobs 🙁

[dark echo]

Crimson scrolls, fey gazer, fool off the top of my head

[dark echo]

I could understand it for the super rare loot drop gold bug, but the other two don't feel like they should be as rare as they are. The ghost only drops tokens and a bedsheet

[dark echo]

Another question too, but what's the thought behind raids like t8 jormungandr dropping t5 gear and no t8, and stuff like the judges that at t10 have a large pool of gear for tiers several levels lower than the players that can participate?

Thonemakers doesn't seem to have this type of issue but it's a relatively newer event, and that's good

[worthy lava]

And I just want to codex the dam mobs :(. don’t care for loot

[dark echo]

I codex'd ramses and whatever the ghost is called at least

[worthy lava]

Luck…I’ve not seen any of the three

[worthy lava]

Well gold one when summoned

[open lodge]

I’ve still only seen Ram.

I like to think I’ve done a fair amount of monuments, but idk the number