Thronemakers (2026)

[open lodge]

It is, but I defend each turn to try to show off the immortality potential. If I attacked, my mimic could kill after a reraise proc

[keen stone]

It's not difficult, I just think it's dumb that it uses torment 🤷‍♂️

[open lodge]

I will note, I think people have exaggerated how short reraise lasts for. I’ve seen it last 3 turns

It’s not fading every turn so the mimics aren’t spamming it. They have windows to attack

[torn sand]

Are you all done with this Reraise topic?

[open lodge]

You got another topic to bring up?

[torn sand]

many

[vernal fable]

Yeah because there are no pet protects, parapets, BeoA getting insane stats at 1% hp from bloodline and 0'ing a lot of damage out, teammates that can build around it and stack a lot of debuffs on the opponent etc. etc.

[open lodge]

Fire away

[torn sand]

adorn from osiris doesn't have summon bonus

rarety of enemies in monuments

terrible drop rate

[open lodge]

It’s another tool that changes the game and offers new strategies. It won’t bust pvp open and warp it entirely.

[torn sand]

Last decree being underwhelming

[open lodge]

Wasn’t this discussed earlier?

[torn sand]

yeah but a solution didn't came

that's why i mentioned it

[open lodge]

I haven’t gotten a single event ornate yet.

[vernal fable]

It's not as broken as the first act chance on Ruairc, that's for sure
But it doesn't seem something healthy or fun to interact with either

[torn sand]

shade drop rate is good but khepers have terrible

[open lodge]

A lot of event items end up underwhelming. Not everything can be groundbreaking. What are the current best weapons for summoner? Like, what should it be compared to and what changes would make it stand out?

[torn sand]

i really wouldn't mind bad drop rate if kheper spawned more

[open lodge]

I’m at 6 scarab amulets. Still haven’t seen a goldy. I like having rare monsties, but I do agree that this one is a tad too rare.

[torn sand]

considering that osiris raid drop 3 gear and only one weapon that decrease summon turn of kheper by 1 and has no significant benefits it's actually bad instead of underwhelming

[open lodge]

I don’t wanna see it every dungeon, but like, I wanna see it at least once in 20 dungeons

[honest bramble]

Yeah... they need to change it

[torn sand]

I'm more concerned for glided kheper

[honest bramble]

Dude its like the 7th time you mention it within 30 min xD

[torn sand]

uh how about once 2 to 3 monument

[torn sand]

because i tried finding it but i can't

I'm little disappointed in

that's why i am repeating so this topic doesn't dissappear in ongoing conversations

[open lodge]

Has this actually been happening in pvp? I’m not big into that scene, so idk if this is theoretical or people are actually having problems.

[open lodge]

I was thinking spawning about 1 in 5 monuments to be fine, but I wouldn’t complain if it were a tad more common than that.

[torn sand]

i think it spawning once every 2 or 3 monument is balanced because amulet isn't guaranteed

and drop rate of amulet are issue too

[open lodge]

Fair enough. How good is the amulet? Is it meta for any builds?

[torn sand]

but that can be covered with grinding

[torn sand]

it's good for Glass cannon with low ward

since 3% ward penalty isn't bad with 750 hp and 5% dodge

on glass cannon

[open lodge]

The glassest of cannons

[torn sand]

with 2 you can get 10% dodge at cost of 6% ward

and 1500 hp as bonus

and it also give luck

i don't think amulet is gonna be meta (maybe on rs it will) but it's good accessory

[kindred mauve]

On rs nah

[torn sand]

i will use it on my gsh raid one

[torn sand]

i see

[kindred mauve]

It'll be ok but like, I highly doubt I'll ever see it

Maybe for raiding ig? But in dungs nope towers probably not

[dense orbit]

Diety gonna use it so they can dodge more than RS

[kindred mauve]

Lmao yeah probably

[torn sand]

i thought that 10% dodge would be good on rs but I'm surprised

[torn sand]

tell me what deity can't do?

[open lodge]

Isn’t there a dodge cap?

[kindred mauve]

Yeah

[open lodge]

Like 60% dodge or something

[torn sand]

they can summon coolest summon

[kindred mauve]

Apprently it exceeds it or smth? But probably wrong there

[torn sand]

but that's off topic so i will stop for now

[open lodge]

So if RS can already hit dodge cap easily, 10% is meaningless

[dense orbit]

There is... And diety isn't there yet so we must fix this error

[kindred mauve]

If it dosent then yea it is a bad accessory

[open lodge]

Form long lasting friendships

[torn sand]

actually another thing it can't do is escape my hate

[glossy hill]

Aren’t dodge chance items usually applied after the “cap” calculation? So, if your dex puts you at 40% dodge rate (the cap), running 2 amulets would theoretically put you at 50%

[torn sand]

that's unfair ref do something

rs can't stop winning

[open lodge]

Can’t stop what you haven’t started.

[kindred mauve]

Yeah that's what I thought

Even if tho 10% extra dosent seem that great

[torn sand]

so i might see rs with 50% dodge and avidity

bruh

[torn sand]

really!!

[glossy hill]

No, you might see RS with 70% dodge. Because dorado breaks the cap to 60%

[vapid dagger]

According to odie, the dodge chance passive only works up to the cap. Doesn't increase the cap

[glossy hill]

Add in the Ruairc scythe and you get 77%, or 84% if you dual wield

[vapid dagger]

I will need to find the message again though

[torn sand]

fk i might kill myself (my character) before fighting rs Dorado

[open lodge]

Dorito

[torn sand]

aaaaaaaaaa

[torn sand]

i hope

[glossy hill]

That’s only for dexterity’s influence on it. + accuracy and + dodge rates are applied after the calculation and surpass the cap

[torn sand]

really hope

[torn sand]

nooooooo

[kindred mauve]

Im not fussed tbh, pvp is so small and I officially dont need to worry about it

😩

[torn sand]

all rs need is stun immunity and it can't be stopped

[kindred mauve]

Yk it dorado has inbuilt status prot

[torn sand]

hmm true but buff is too good

[kindred mauve]

With its passive

[glossy hill]

You not caring about it is different from it being small 😅 A lot of people have PvP as their main priority in orna

[open lodge]

freezes rs

[torn sand]

how?

rs gonna dodge it

[kindred mauve]

Yeah that's mb, in hoa it's alot less influencial

Forgetting I'm on the orna side atm 😭

[torn sand]

remember summon protection thing when summoner was introduced

[open lodge]

turns the thermostat down

[torn sand]

i feel like we are getting something similar

[kindred mauve]

Yeah that was downright op apprently tho

[torn sand]

and rs gonna do similar thing

atleast aoe was counter of summon protection iirc

but rs

nuh uh

[open lodge]

I’ll just swap to Corvus and bloodray rs to death

[kindred mauve]

This ain't my discussion I'm gonna head, just imo I'm not entirely fussed what happens if yall want it nerfed you can have it nerfed

[kindred mauve]

And yeah heratic has undodgeable shi

[vapid dagger]

Damn, you guys are on your way to nerf rs before we're even sure it's op.

Let us have some light of day, sheesh

[kindred mauve]

Im not saying it should be nerfed 😭 I don't care what happens

[torn sand]

isn't rs supposed to be in dark

[torn sand]

crit adorn (armour iirc) and gear (probably) and reraise and dodge

what's left avidity?

aaaaaaaa

[open lodge]

I don’t think anything should be nerfed until we see it in action.

[torn sand]

hmm true

[kindred mauve]

Yeah agreed tbh but again I'm not entirely fussed

[open lodge]

Besides, dodge is useless if your opponent is lucky

[torn sand]

but i hope it actually get nerfed if it turn out overpowered

[torn sand]

or has unavoidable skill/spell

[dense orbit]

I keep thinking Odie ninja fixed monuments. I'll get 3 floors on thief path with tons of event mobs....then 5 floors in a row with nothing

[little loom]

i did, they all have a fixed event mob rate now

[ornate thicket]

😭

[dense orbit]

Is 0 a fixed rate ><

Or was it in the last 5 minutes cause now I'm locked out for an hour

[stark musk]

I'm gathering data real quick

[torn sand]

so i can actually find glided kheper now!?

[open lodge]

I’m stealing Knight’s data real quick

[torn sand]

I'm waiting for knight data

[stark musk]

(Sample size of 1 each)

Beasts:
25 Osiris
3 non-boss pack

Thief:
16 Sekhmet
4 non-boss pack

[little loom]

you always could

[ornate thicket]

looking through Knight’s data real quick

[stark musk]

Yes, very small sample, variance, etc. But what everyone is currently feeling without data is Beasts is much better, and this seems to reflect that

[torn sand]

i didn't i tried but i didn't find any 😔

[ornate thicket]

Unpopular opinion: rare mobs are cool

[torn sand]

beast has lot of osiris so i avoid it to find rare enemies

[torn sand]

if i wasn't active on dc and found spoiler i wouldn't even know about their existence they are that rare

cool yup

but atleast i should be able to find them

[stark musk]

I agree. However I'm also now at 41 monuments without seeing any of the three so they may be a little too rare

[open lodge]

Agreed. I do think it’s a tad too rare though

[ornate thicket]

We are like 24 hours into event, you have full month to either research or find it

[open lodge]

Rare mobs are cool. Unfindable mobs are not.

[open lodge]

No, I have until I can no longer spend keys william nilliam

My rates gon slow down

[stark musk]

(You don't need to run event monuments)

[ornate thicket]

Surely you can afford 1 key?

[stark musk]

Non-event are key positive

[ornate thicket]

Or 0 keys for aligned

Oh wait

[open lodge]

Oh, I thought they were event only

[hazy violet]

You would know of their existence if you looked at the Event Hub. Tap on the [Thronemakers] event, then to the Codex tab.

[open lodge]

Odie took that boon behind the barn

[stark musk]

He replaced it with double XP though

[torn sand]

that's how ppl who can read thinks

Guess what i can't read

[ornate thicket]

Ngl we should have it back but to keep things balanced make every monument cost 5x more for RS only

[dim fractal]

just little...

[torn sand]

no mimic? are ya serious!!

[open lodge]

Agreed.

(I’m a mage, I just like the color purple more)

[torn sand]

uh ppl can just switch classes

what's the point?

[ornate thicket]

Yeah somehow RS got both best icon and colour

[open lodge]

Punish view distance builds

[torn sand]

oo

[ornate thicket]

Nah, just punish RS

[torn sand]

remove avidity from rs

[dense orbit]

Did 2x Vulcan

Thief - 19 event packs
Beasts - 37 event packs

Big difference being thief has a minimum of 1 event per floor

[torn sand]

that should be enough

[open lodge]

(The suggestion and agreement weren’t made with serious intent)

[stark musk]

If we want Odie to fix the actual current problems veering off topic isn't really helpful

[ornate thicket]

You should you /suggest for this one

[torn sand]

I'm not planning on farming down votes rn lol

[toxic fable]

Yeah when I posted my IT EXISTS pic last night I hit the gold bug on my 19th monument, and it's clear from seeing other chatter that I was just very lucky even with that.

(not even taking into account it dropped nothing )

[open lodge]

at least you don’t block everyone that downvotes you

[torn sand]

eh opinion matter for me

[open lodge]

The change I want to happen is the key cost to drop to 10 keys for event monuments.

[dense orbit]

I'm at 60+ monument. 0 of the rare 3 have spawned....I have seen 55 regular khepler and have 5 low tier accessories

[open lodge]

I like running them, and I feel like being forced to choose the key option every floor to have a chance at being key neutral is enough.

[torn sand]

that explains current event monument situation

[toxic fable]

I will say though, even if I don't care for the extreme rarity this does kind of bring me back to the old days of searching for new stuff on games and posting everything in forums where we knew nothing.

it has this kind of fun nostalgia to it, at least for the time being.

[torn sand]

low rare monster spawn rate and terrible drop rates

and together you wouldn't get glided kheper amulet

[torn sand]

if event wasn't time limited i would have not been bothered by drop rates

[dense orbit]

Doing the math.... If you see 1 gold boi every 100 monument and need to kill 10 for 1 drop.....I'm just 1940 monuments to go to get 2x nq

[toxic fable]

Yeah, it's something that is going to get old quick. My gut feel on this is that the spawn rates will go up and the gold accessory will get reworked or nerfed a bit to compensate.

[wanton tundra]

Where ramsy Bolton can't find him 🤓

[torn sand]

it really doesn't need to be nerfed

it's not overpowered ig

i can't say for sure because i haven't found glided kheper

[toxic fable]

Maybe not, we'll see how much rage the 10% dodge in pvp causes in the coming months.

[torn sand]

6% ward malus is there too

so not without cost

but no cost too great for dodge on non rs

[open lodge]

I love doing that.

One of the games I play had an update many years ago where the dev loosely teased at a “hunt.” A few of us on the alpha server noticed some npcs with odd dialogue, including one that gave a math formula. Eventually, this led to an almost year long search to obtain 4 different armor pieces, each with a number labeling how many were obtained before you (I have the fifth helmet) that eventually led to some cool additional items.
One of the most fun I’ve ever had in a game.

[toxic fable]

So long as it doesn't become "hidden puzzles in noita" levels of absurdity, I'll always think it's neat to some degree.

[open lodge]

Oh, it was worse than that

[dim fractal]

It's just too much.

[open lodge]

One of the puzzles included needing to take a world edit of one of the regions in order to identify the total quantity of a specific feature. The number came out to like 16 million or something like that.

[minor mountain]

I think I saw a video on this, I know what gamemode you're talking about

[dense orbit]

Agreed, at the current rate I don't see me being able to keep up this many monuments to get even 1

[minor mountain]

hopefully it won't get to Kuudra levels of obscurity, but I love a good puzzle

[open lodge]

If it was Pigicial’s, I’m in that video

[open lodge]

Now get an ornate

now get a demonforged

[dense orbit]

Easy just x 194 my previous estimate.... Just 200,000 monument for a single ornate

[open lodge]

How good are these for herc? If I’m gonna eventually swap to warrior, I wanna make sure I stock up.

Also, what’s up with a lot of adornments not being affected by quality?

[kindred mauve]

That will be really good

[toxic fable]

Adorn passives generally don't go up with quality.

[kindred mauve]

As someone who's played gilga 20 ward power was insanely influencial

So imagine having just full slotted of that

Its just another sgs

[minor mountain]

I think items not being affected by quality is bound to happen at some point with adornments, since they're supposed to be little stat boosts

[dense orbit]

"little"

[kindred mauve]

Especially as something with ward power imo, I really don't want to see multiple sgs worths on armour

[minor mountain]

fun fact, before I streamed Orna I streamed that, early in the quarantimes

[open lodge]

Oh, small world, I did too lol

Although instead of streaming a different game, I just stopped outright

For those doing numbers:
Vulkan, path of warrior
9 shade of neith
1 shade of osiris

[minor mountain]

always fun seeing Orna folk in other games, there's a guy who's decently prominent in the Pokemon discord I'm in who also plays Orna

but I haven't touched Skyblock in years

[stark musk]

I have an OSRS account named "0rna" and every once in a while someone will comment on the name which is fun

[minor mountain]

I get a bit of overlap with people who also play Marvel Rivals, too

[open lodge]

I was called out in one of the magic the gathering servers I’m in for playing Orna.

It was a place I was formerly a local of.

[minor mountain]

8 billion people's a small world after all

[dense orbit]

In regards to Odie saying he fixed monuments spawns. I just did a Thor - mage path and had 6 total floors with 0 event mobs

And an ithra just now with 5 floors with 0 event mobs and 3 with a single pack each.......

[dim fractal]

Same here, I made two Ithra's (thief path) and they had very few event mobs

[toxic fable]

I'm now getting some interesting non-event mobs on the thief path.

[stark musk]

Odie knows

[open lodge]

Yeah, I got runeblade of finesse too and thought it was weird

[stark musk]

Pop your codex kits and enjoy the exclusive codexes

[slender brook]

yeah I reported oslo and amarok in the other thread

[open lodge]

I’m about it. Funky stuff is always fun

[minor mountain]

odie please keep oslo and amarok in there

I beg

[slender brook]

make them drop something tho (material i mean)

[toxic fable]

I thought it was amusing that I only noticed because after killing everything, I couldn't recognize oslo from my absurd number of monuments run overall

[minor mountain]

I have no nearby monuments 😭 I will not get to see these before it gets fixed

[molten snow]

Woah u can get see finesse mobs without building the pvp guild now?

[clever sigil]

Playing EDH/Commander while grinding Orna, that's fun! Especially when u are land lock for 10 turns.

[stark musk]

I can wayvessel you to a small stack of monuments.

||You can't use them, but at least they'll be nearby in spirit||

[clever sigil]

Imagine everyone send u party invite to realize... Conman in making.

[dense orbit]

Selling beachfront property in the desert

[open lodge]

Oasis

[open lodge]

Yeah, looks like the event mob rate was returned back to what it was. F in chat

[dim fractal]

I tried the monumental spec.
No apparen increase in spawn rate of event hordes.

[manic seal]

so how long until eye of sekhmet nerf? 👀

[brisk patrol]

more like how long until eastern mask nerf

[open lodge]

Easier to get bristle.

[brisk patrol]

bristles are objectively better for things like pvp and classes that dont care as much about minus att

avidity and cd chance are on bristles

eye of sekhmet is just for pure damage

[manic seal]

https://tenor.com/view/agness-wandavison-wink-eye-gif-21060945

[brisk patrol]

so you think that pure att is worth more on deffense than 2% ward and if youre on say gilga or rs where you want avidity or cd chance

[open lodge]

Sure, but mostly because of the ward. The other two features are class specific. I meant more in the sense of this is an easier way to get +2 crit

[brisk patrol]

youre saying the new one is easier or the bristles

[open lodge]

The new one is far easier to get

Not as good, sure, but if your goal is to get 100% crit, then they’re just as good for a stand-in

[brisk patrol]

okay i thought you were saying the bristle is easier to get

[open lodge]

An ursa strike to the face tells me otherwise

[dense orbit]

I mean for melee classes, your looking at going from -100 atk to +360 atk....that's 460 atk gained....that's astronomically huge

[brisk patrol]

multiple turns in a row for realmshifters and cd both do more damage than the total attack gained does

[dense orbit]

That's per piece. And will depend on how many bristles you were using

[brisk patrol]

okay super hot take but ss3 shoulda scaled off def res hyrbid

how does this tie into thronemakers

well it doesnt kinda but it would make the bristles from lyncus and make the damage have scaling based on a stat that can only be increased via gear

and a very few specs

but it would make a few things different and give more gear event gear options

[open lodge]

Man, not even so much as a superior eye of Neith in 39 drops.

Does the ward go up to 2%?

[glossy hill]

It does

[open lodge]

Ugh. Gotta farm like 40 superior or higher and it takes more than 40 to drop 1. This gon be a grind.

Ya know, maybe @brisk patrol was onto something with that recommendation that every floor match the class you currently are. Then I could farm eyes of Neith but still fight Arisen Ptah

[lethal totem]

They dont, i tested it

PayToProgress is not better.
Remove the majority of the anvils and put it to a lower price.

Double hammers are not easy to get either.

[brisk patrol]

The rest of the contents are worth 15$ the issue I have with it is that it's making the value of these go down due to the amount that anyone can achieve.

[dense orbit]

Not this discussion again take it to DM lol

[clever sigil]

I'm curious, anyone got godforged from the shades?

[weary remnant]

lol comon

[ornate thicket]

Yep

[brisk patrol]

I didn't start it I only comented what my actual issue on the topic was because before there was many things that people disagreed with and the actual issue I had after speaking with tosik is that there's too much availability with these currently allowing for people use them without valuing them

[viral narwhal]

What drops the Old Seal of Elysium? I've done the monument twice and still have zero.

[weary remnant]

the t6 osiris boss, most commonly found in path of the beast

[brisk patrol]

Run the path of the beasts you'll see the shade of Osiris

[viral narwhal]

Got it! Thank you!!

[weary remnant]

"not easy"

[dense orbit]

Stop

Hammer time

[slender brook]

i posted a bug report

[brisk patrol]

I fell like you play 10x more than the average player and you also never use a hammer

Or you've payed a lot of money to Odie to give you better EOD drops

[weary remnant]

it's 1/100 approx for hammers, per EOD (not per dungeon)

i have 28k dungeons approx , many with double eod (bg, uw and so on)

[toxic fable]

Look at this guy, actually using his hammers

[open lodge]

I never used a hammer

Wait no, I used one once

[analog kindle]

hmm

[open lodge]

Bro, collect your runeshop daily

[hallow kestrel]

At this point I think I might have better luck finding Pyre in the wild rather than these 3 rare event mobs…

[glossy hill]

It’s day 2 of the event

[open lodge]

Day 2 and I’ve already been playing the event for a week.

[dim fractal]

I already did more monuments than in the last three months 😂😂

[hallow kestrel]

What’s the expected ratio of monuments to the rare mobs? 100-1?

[open lodge]

It’s so rare that I don’t think we have the numbers yet.

[toxic fable]

I saw my first gold bug in monument 19, and that appears to be very lucky.

Have seen no rare mobs since.

[honest bramble]

Looks like boss appearances got nerfed and its problematic. The more you go on on leveling the more u need to kill of them thats ok, but now that max 2 spawn per floor thats very problematic.

Please revert it back

[slender brook]

more like an in between of the 2 situations, before i had an average of 4 osiris per floor

[echo cypress]

Crit went down 🙁

Rip eye of sekhmet 2026-2026

[slender brook]

now i average 1 event encounter per floor

[honest bramble]

Yeah thats problematic

Since they dont appear in dungeon, monu only

[echo cypress]

Wait no

[slender brook]

????

i still see2%

[lethal totem]

NOT for myrkheims lool.

I have 17k dungeons and i never got more then 50 myrk.

[slender brook]

yeah but before was way too man

[honest bramble]

Yes true, gotta be something in the middle

[slender brook]

i would 1 guaranteed event encounter per floor, not necessarily a boss since there could be multiple per floor

[proper sonnet]

Considering it’s an event monument, it just feels way too underwhelming right now

[icy flax]

What's the spawn rate for these rare guys? Gold beetle, ramesses, medjed

[stark musk]

"Very rare"

[slender brook]

double down on rare

[open lodge]

What’s the rareometer looking like? Do we just keep adding “very” to the front for each tier of rarity or are we switching up the words

[stark musk]

I don't know, "very rare" is Northern Forge not me

[summer ferry]

"Rarity: Cryptid"

[untold urchin]

Ramesses being cryptid doesn't make much sense considering both of his drops can be rolled, fairly easily compared to farming him, via the monumental guild.

[open lodge]

Yeah, but it removes the resource requirement and lets you boost the rarity chance with things like anguish and tails

[untold urchin]

Well not really if he's nearly impossible to find

[summer ferry]

I didn't realize that he cursed me with Sekhmet's Curse. So I died... 🤦

[stark musk]

There's also no reason for him not to be cryptid

[open lodge]

New idea: all enemies become cryptids

[dense orbit]

I would argue the ghost boi makes no sense to be as rare as he is. Maybe 4x as rare as the regular shades... And the gold boi should be 4x as rare as the brown 🟤 ones. But that's me

[untold urchin]

I feel like it's just rare to be rare, but that's me having the two drops already ornate. There's no real novelty to finding him, not like he'll drop a unique skin not obtainable elsewhere. Medjed at least drops bedsheet, which isn't great but isn't obtainable for a while either.

[little loom]

Consider it a codex challenge - since the gear isn’t really desirable, what does the rarity matter?

[open lodge]

It caught me off guard when one of those random item drops gave me a bedsheet yesterday

[clever sigil]

Did you sheep well?

[hidden osprey]

Does karma apply to regalia and mask?

[dense orbit]

I agree
If it's a codex challenge just remove all of their loot

[hasty silo]

For a real codex challenge can we get oslo and amarok added back at even rarer rates? 🙏

[icy flax]

Fuck it, make all of them immune to drenched and Lyon's mark

[hasty silo]

Some of us were farming keys instead of immediately running monuments after the update...

[icy flax]

And you know while you're at it, make Deity unlock Leitmotif at level 225, you know you want to

[stark musk]

I would say maybe Gilded Kheper should be a little more common since it actually has unique loot

The other two though, keep 'em as is

[untold urchin]

Nope

[icy flax]

Are any of them specific to which path you do in the monument?

[hidden osprey]

Tyyy

[untold urchin]

Mask is super easy to farm though

[open lodge]

No because they removed the face from my bedsheet

[echo cypress]

I'm dumb and remade my load outs while I had the 10% crit buff active from a monument

So when I rechecked today, I was 10% short and thought the eyes got nerfed

[untold urchin]

The 10% from thor gets reflected in teh stat screen?

[echo cypress]

Yuh

[untold urchin]

Thank you for your sacrifice. That was info I needed to know

[dense orbit]

Did monuments spawns get "re" fixed yet?

Nope. Still 5 floors out of 11 with no event mobs.

[brisk patrol]

Are shades intended to be the final battle is a shade?
Edit: nvm I ran non event for the first time this event I'm a tad dumb sometimes

[orchid atlas]

The golden bug is basically impossible to encounter.
And the gear rarity is still Legendary
Even if you do encounter it, you still might not get any gear from it.

[icy flax]

Yeah these things are way too rare. If I see one I'm blasting it with codex kits, no one got time for legendary drops

[worthy pendant]

Can we buy raid Osiris gear in monument guild ?

[fervent belfry]

It's marked as a "Super Raid" in the event codex so I expect not

[dense orbit]

does it feel like beast path was nerfed to match other paths . Had multiple floors with 0 event mobs.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills for wanting more event mobs in monuments not less

[fast berry]

The exp rate in this event seems drastically lower than most if not all previous events

Wyrmhunt was a bit slower because of the tanky event mobs but this feels like a slog

[leaden ravine]

I feel like beastfelled (and maybe riftfall) were rather overtuned because of event dungeons

[toxic fable]

So I think I found a hidden piece: if you fully codex the golden bug, you will be blessed with an upgraded band of god. Proof:

There is nothing wrong with my theory, I swear.

(no the second golden bug didn't drop the item either )

[fervent belfry]

Even without event dungeons,
I think beastfelled and riftfall would still be way way faster exp than thronemakers.

The dungeons spawns for thronemakers are fairly sparse
since most event-specific monsters/bosses are exclusive to monuments.

I will say, I think having most stuff in the monuments is cool in principal,

but right now I think the closest monument to where I live is about 2km away,
so it's quite difficult for me to actually participate in this event.
My max VD (with fortress buff) is 1285 right now for those curious.

Explorer waystones are mostly useless here.
I think the Scouthawk is what actually got the one monument on my compass marker.

There's a monument somewhat nearby my work
but I'm working most of the time, and don't really wanna hang out there too much afterwards.

[noble bison]

The spawn rate of other path (thief, mage, warrior) fixed yet?

[toxic fable]

Yeah you are just unlucky, hopefully you get a nicer setup next week. I had 4 monuments within 1300 VD at work, then the same thing at home.

[fervent belfry]

yeah

I've had 3+ monuments pretty close at other times

but it's especially disappointing with the cool new event monument

to not have any

I will add, the nice thing about there not being anything worthwhile in the dungeons right now is that I can finally farm AL stuff w/o worrying about dungeon event stuff.
It's been quite awhile since there was no event stuff in dungeons.

[noble bison]

So instead of buff other path spawn rate, Odie just nerf the shit out of Beast path, 12 floors and I have like 4 floors with no event mob 😂

[dense orbit]

That's what it looks like. 11.floors for 6 event packs feels like a waste of time

[proper sonnet]

from what i'm seeing here, i'll just fish for the time being

[noble bison]

I tried thief path, look more promising than beast path now. I can farm some crit adornments, I'm happy

[ancient wagon]

Did something happen to the event density in aaru monument?

I am seeing noticeable less event mob

[proper sonnet]

Significantly nerfed in the valhallan/summoner path, not sure about the others

[dense orbit]

It looks like all 4 paths are equally bad now.

[worthy pendant]

When 4 paths are all bugged, then they aren't bugged, bug fixed confirmed

[hasty silo]

I run monuments pretty regularly and event mob rates feel about the same as past events

[worthy pendant]

Suggest: event monument cost 3 keys and we don't need a final raid boss.
Meanwhile make Osiris be Kingdom/world raid, align with other thronemakers.

[open lodge]

Sure, but past events didn’t have event-dedicated monuments

[open lodge]

I’d prefer the current way. I like the raid final boss

[hasty silo]

True, it would be nice to see those extra 15 keys get us a little more than a guaranteed raid

[open lodge]

Agreed.

[hasty silo]

Maybe better odds on those rare mobs, I'm down over 1200 keys even with taking a key chest every opportunity

[soft hare]

Does it feel like T10 mobs are sparse in monuments? At least let us farm some Torment proofs 🫩

Also, how do all the "common" rarity mobs have such different appearance rates? My encounters:

• Kheper 1:1
• Aaru Cobra 2:1
• Apshait 8:1
• I wish I knew where I started the event with Sphinx Cubs/Kits, but it has to be more than Apshait

Is there some hidden spawn rate besides "rarity"?

[open lodge]

hehehe apeshit

[jade iron]

Sphinx are normal mobs

And idk if asphait or kheper are supposed to be strange

[open lodge]

I mean, they are event mobs

Idk if you mean normal as in can be fought outside of monuments or not

[torn sand]

did monuments get worse

now I'm finding less shades

Still no rare enemy

and few floors without any event enemy

and it's beast path

[vapid dagger]

I definitely think the event mob rates should be higher and not get reduced like this since not only are most of these mobs monument exclusive, if even we as t10s and t11s are struggling to farm these properly. It will be worse for lower tier players who can't even reach luck cap

[soft hare]

If the tryhards are complaining about spawn rates then the casual players will never see them 😢

[vapid dagger]

Also, this might be general monument feedback rather than thronemakers. But the event mob rate/density should go up as compared to before regardless due to the reduction in floor count. The reduced floors give you less rewards either way if the density remains unchanged

[soft hare]

All the ones I mentioned are

• Family: Animal (except Aaru Cobra is Common)
• Rarity: Common
  Terrain is a bit different. Apshait and Kheper are "?", Cobra is Dungeon, Sphinxes (Shpinxi? Sphinki?) are Land

[torn sand]

annd drop aren't guaranteed too

[soft hare]

In general, I'm glad that there's less floors for quicker completions and EoD rewards. But it is unfortunate/frustrating when the main event is almost exclusively monument based and monuments are difficult to find.

[torn sand]

glided kheper is too rare and other 2 are unholy rare too

[soft hare]

Legendary rarity drop on Cryptid rarity mob is brutal 😂😭

What is legendary drop rate with 400% luck?

[vapid dagger]

90% for bosses (100% if it's gear of your class). Lower for normal mobs, maybe 40%?

[soft hare]

Oh? I didn't know bosses and monsters have different drop rates

[soft hare]

I find this extra strange, as Kheper is the same tier as the Shades but never (or almost never?) spawns with them

[vapid dagger]

My monster drop rate is very likely wrong but the boss drop rate has been tested by people using dagda

[soft hare]

Though I suppose same-tier hordes are more of a world-mob thing

[dim fractal]

Something I didn't see is a discussion about the cost to enter event monuments.
Are we sure it is not the case to use an event currency?
We are. Going to have a lot of non used old seals of elysium.
I would think something like 1 key 2x each type of old seals.

[elder juniper]

I love the event and i love the new adorn. It allows bit more flexibility for beo

[dim fractal]

Also the difference between event/non event monument is not worth the cost, except for beast path, since Osiris can be found only there.

[potent whale]

Thronemakers questline stage "Three Siblings" isn't counting arisen versions of neith/ptah/sekhmet for requirement fulfillment. Normally all arisen versions are taken in other questlines

[brisk patrol]

I'd prefer to see materials / aspects / dms be purchase able

[dim fractal]

Also.
One does not exclude the other.

[brisk patrol]

We have ways to grind keys already we don't need more

[dim fractal]

In six years of playing I only had to grind event keys playing event contents, it would be very weird (and also frustating) being forced to play non event contents: it never happened before (at least to me?).

[brisk patrol]

In the 6 years you've been playing event keys didn't exist for 3 of them. And things like dragons event and a few other events along the year don't have event keys they have dungeon keys. Fomorian events are chaos portals. Dragons are boss and dragon roosts. There are several events that expect us to use skeleton keys for the content this is one of them

The dragon event has always required a ton of keys if you wanted to farm great amounts

[dim fractal]

Farming keys while playing the event is something different than farming keys while not playing the event.

[brisk patrol]

Dragon event is very key negative and when it first came out many people were running several days worth of t8 boss when key farming t8 party boss was still done and it was done at the same time as grinding dragons often times like they'd spend 2-4 hrs grinding t8 boss and another 2-3 hrs grinding boss

[dim fractal]

A bad mechanics does not justify another one.

[brisk patrol]

That's not a bad mechanic that's called a gameplay loop it's required to keep people interested in the game or the new content

[dark echo]

Of the 27 kheper I killed at max luck, I have gotten 3 pendants. It's crazy

I don't suppose anything makes the rare monsters spawn more? I have only seen the sheet guy once.

[dim fractal]

5/54 here.
I think they have they own rarity

[dim fractal]

You have been lucky.
You are the third guy I heard finding one of the rare monters

[dark echo]

I heard about the mask guy and a golden kheper as well? It's just crazy that for as many runs as I have done they just don't spawn.

We'll see

[dense orbit]

with the newly lowered spawn rate of everything i doubt most will see them , im at 70+ runs now and havent seen any of the 3. Odie called them a 'codex' challenege and i gotta say, mobs with loot i want being ultra rare and deemed a codex challenege is super off putting

[dim fractal]

Also their drop rate is not 100% at max luck

[dark echo]

So what's the play here? Only do the event dungeon if you want the raid at the end?

I have keys but dang has it been eating them up lol

[torn sand]

osiris raid is limited to monument too

concept is good

but everything is in monuments

and rare enemies are too rare

some drop are underwhelming

I personally don't think that Osiris drops are good enough for it to be so inaccessible.

[elder juniper]

Wasnt legendary like 40% drop at max luck

[elder juniper]

Yea the raid kinda has mid drops at max

[dark echo]

The Osiris drops are, pretty bad.
The weapon is awful for any summoner type, the pants are perhaps the most promising thing for reraise.

Give the weapon 40 pact and 25% summon at the least

And some WARD, why is it wardless? lol

[summer ferry]

As Odie said before: if the drops are mid, what is the problem regarding low spawn rates? So it's rather for codexing. 🤷

[dense orbit]

the fact osiris has hydrus pact, but doesnt gain any buffs from sacrificing his pets is hillarious

[dense orbit]

for the ghost / ramses sure

but people want that gold necklace

it also makes 0 sense for ramses or the ghost to be uber rare cause its so easy to craft the items they drop, it would be like if the steward pegasus in avalon was uber rare... it drops all the mats, but is the most common spawn

[dark echo]

Frigging bedsheet, man. An outdated item by like 5 years

These weapons should be very similar, stats wise.
Is my suggestion.

No idea why it has 50 attack on the decree, so weird.

[torn sand]

behir is lot better

and useful for duo bp

since cr doesn't work for off hand summon the staff is useless

it need cr and pact bonus to be decent to good

[summer ferry]

Isn't it the same as for scrolls? Balor gate and scrolls = Cryptid + legendary? But I don't know about the spawn rate of Cryptid

[dense orbit]

Things id like:

• at least 1 event mob per floor (regular monuments)
• at 15 keys id like 2+ event mobs per floor in the event specific monument
• event specific items to drop from EoF chests, even if they arent the same tier as you

[torn sand]

drop and rare enemies spawn rate need buff

[dense orbit]

it would need a hellva lot of pact bonus to over come celestial + neko staff combo, but yes it need hydrus buffs since....its a hydrus staff

[dark echo]

It's more or less a faster beetle, but honestly it's better for normal GS, even if you put 33-40 pact on it. It doesn't need to be much better than ymir beithir staff, but comparable in it's own as a legendary rarity raid drop

[torn sand]

i can see it being used if it has decent cr buff

[dense orbit]

100%, but thats been said over and over and i feel like at this point theyve heard it and are chosing not to listen

[torn sand]

that codexing reason doesn't make sense

not for glided kheper

atleast

i could understand for other 2 rare enemy

[dense orbit]

i also dont think osiris gear is good enough to justify it being classified as a super raid and not showing up in the monument guild....but i feel like the new trend is just to make new content and not put the drops in the monument guild so it is w/e

[dark echo]

I feel like they didn't expect them to be as extremely uncommon to appear, unless this is a new gimmick of increasing rarity among certain drops in the community.

[vernal fable]

It's been more than 14 hours since I last aired my concern and Monuments are in the same state
The first floor is almost always empty (as in it doesn't have any event mobs) and I'm getting an average of 3 empty floors per Monument, with most other floors having one green aura only
Is this how it's supposed to be? If so, this is by far the least fun and rewarding event in the last 3 months

[torn sand]

this event has potential

[dense orbit]

its not just the 1st floor, im averaging 0 event mobs on 4-5 out of the 11 floors that can spawn mobs (not counting 1 and 13).

[torn sand]

but many things are underwhelming and disappointing

[vernal fable]

Yeah actually it's more than 3 empty floors on average
I just got 3 empty floors in a row and 5 in total

[dense orbit]

monuments should be all about event mobs, and we have event dungeons for other events with higher spawn rates of event mobs

[vernal fable]

Exactly, it doesn't make any sense

[dense orbit]

i really hope, that when other events start, those event mobs dont show up in the throne maker specific event monument, cause lord knows it doesnt need to be diluted more

[torn sand]

all i want is 2 glided kheper amulet and I'm done with this event

i don't wanna farm this

it's too rare and that's making it unfun

[vernal fable]

I was getting way more Proofs of Monuments doing both Cursed Queens and Beastfelled Dungeons while also getting way more Melancholy Proofs compared to how many Torment I'm getting here and if it wasn't enough, Dungeons are also 10x faster and more comfortable to run than these

[ancient wagon]

May I remind that it is only day 2 of event

[dense orbit]

that would be fine, if there were any kind of communication on the direction, but we also only have less than 2 weeks until the next round of events start

[dim fractal]

Let's hope it will not happen as per the False King, that wer had to wait for years in order to meet it...

[vernal fable]

Also people have objectives and mine is gonna be impossible to reach in the current state, I'd just like to understand if I should wait or if this is intended and is gonna be the standard, which means I should focus on something else

[dim fractal]

it may cost you all skeleton keys you have, and you will not find it.
But someone above basically wrote that this is fine

[dense orbit]

naw, i stoped using the 15x key path as its more efficent to use 1 key...then i spam the left most chest and get 1-2 keys monument. the eof chest thing is such a waste of time except for the 1x ornate chest in vulcan....but its a left chest too

[trim ivy]

The thronemakers allegiance unlock: extra activity slots has an incorrect end date.

[dim fractal]

Also the wide room at floor 13 is a waste of time, all the times you need to press up arrow...

[dim fractal]

that is always a one-week bonus

[dense orbit]

is also almost never worth getting, based on the info that shops will reset, but not you levels so in the future it will be more difficult to get olympia coins, god tools, etc

[torn sand]

2 days are enough to tell if something is worth grinding

if we don't get changes for codexing reason

then this event is disappointing for me

[torn sand]

I'm aware 😔

[dim fractal]

The only concern is if the rare mobs will spawn only in the 15x one or not.

[dark echo]

Heck 1 day was enough to figure out that beastfelled needed tweaking

[dense orbit]

they dont

knight confirmed that they can spawn in regular monuments

[torn sand]

there is so many problems and for first time almost everyone want it to be fixed and we got nerf in monuments

like bruh

[dark echo]

I just expect an event content monument to have more event content in it, not several empty floors of garm and stuff.
Some rare cryptids is fine but the way they are now they might as well not exist.

[dim fractal]

Monuments re by far the worst content in Orna.
On top of this: they have been reworked and they still have issues when walking through them
You don't have a consistent way to grind them.
If you want to complete the event (at least the codex) you might need to empty your skeleton key pile.
The difference between event monument and standard monuments is very tiny: if I remember correctly monuments were born to give a backup solution for playing event contents: playing the event only with the backup... meh
Finally the gear is even not that fancy.

[dense orbit]

The lack of availability is an issue. For other events you can turn any dungeon into an event dungeon, and access them through a WV....for monuments ...no such luck

[elder juniper]

Btw ppl. Remember to turn auto drop off when fighting gilden kheper

🥹

[dense orbit]

I'm closing in on 100 monuments and 0 gold bois

[stark musk]

It's things like that why I never have auto drop on at all

[elder juniper]

Yes pour salt to my wound

[dim fractal]

Auto-drop is a way to avoid free gold (not that it is needed...)

[elder juniper]

No its way to avoid "you are carrying too many items"

[dim fractal]

you can solve that with two clicks now and then 😉 but we are going off topic 🙂

[elder juniper]

I dont want my inventory to be filled with 200+ broken red gems

[vernal fable]

Yeah I don't know why people are glazing the new Monuments, they might be slightly better than the previous version but they are still insanely bad when it comes to navigation, QoL, everything
On top of everything that needs to be fixed, not wanting to at least add a faction Monument to the Monumental Guild makes 0 sense to me
The game is super unfair and RNG-based in its current state, Proofs of Monuments can currently only be farmed through Monuments but a player can see 0 at max VD while another player can see 10 at a lower VD so you're basically saying that they should be a GPS content but only for the people who aren't lucky enough or don't live in certain areas
This is even worse for new players who don't have all five Towers fully built as Dungeons are pretty much worthless to run compared to the last two months, Monuments are either not even available or bad anyway so there's nothing or too little to run and your progression is out of your control and gets super slowed down
Not to mention Reraise is broken and people got as high as 5.2k Endless floors abusing it

[elder juniper]

You can get proofs of monument from all event mobs.

Sphinxes spawn in world and dungs aswell

Unless that was changed

[vernal fable]

I'm talking about farming an impactful amount of PoMs, the current rates are abismal compared to Cursed Queens and Beastfelled dungeons that were also 10x faster and more comfortable to run compared to whatever this is

[dense orbit]

I farmed pom faster in the cursed queen event with out monuments

[vernal fable]

Yeah exactly, everyone did

[elder juniper]

Also reraise kinda mid and its easily countered by reducing amounts of immunities you can get from gear/ or adding more statuses to mobs in general

Also not every event needs to be optimal for x proof farming

[vernal fable]

This event should literally be all about Monuments and Proofs of Monuments and I'm getting maybe 1/10 of the Proofs while running a content that's 10x less fun and comfortable to run, please stop glazing

Reraise is mid? A 0ish AL Hera got above 3k Endless and you can cheese any super high Anguish raid with it

[dark echo]

I've been overencumbered for years, it does nothing lol

[elder juniper]

Reraise itself is not strong. Its strong bc monsterd or raids dont have anything to counter it. Reraise has huge counters which are dots, second hit/ pet / summon etc

Players are stacked with immus and raids dont have passives that give second hit or they dont have enoughs status proc chance to puncture things like steadfast

Things like collat dmg, pet or status proc chance passive would make pve much more ready to deal with reraise

[vernal fable]

What does that even mean? I just gave you proof of it allowing something that wasn't even remotely possible before

[elder juniper]

Bc its a fact bc pve does not have tools to deal with reraise

Which is why it is strong

[vernal fable]

Okay, thank you for proving my point

[nocturne schooner]

Solution: add more status to every skill, raids, boss, monster. Everyone will love it.

Or just nerf reraise.

[vernal fable]

Yeah exactly lmao, lil bro is saying it's not Reraise's bad, it's the whole game that's too bad for Reraise

[dim fractal]

You came back to my point of a few hours ago.
I was thinking about an event currency that you can use to enter monuments, but the most fair solution would be an event currency to create a monument as it was with Mnemosyne's event

[vernal fable]

Didn't see it, sorry about that
I'm fine with anything as long as we make the game more fair and consistent (because it doesn't make any sense that we have a Castle Dungeon and a menu Dungeon, we can build 5 Towers but we can't even have 1 deterministic Monument)

[dark echo]

How's reraise getting cracked?

[vernal fable]

What do you mean?

[dark echo]

It doesn't negate you being KO'd does it? In order of operation?
Die, then after calculation reraise revives?

I haven't died with it active on me so I dunno if I revive automatically.

[vernal fable]

You can just watch this video

[dark echo]

looks for it

Oh lord it's just second chance but guaranteed lol

[vernal fable]

And infinite

[dark echo]

So as long as it gets recasted you're good

[vernal fable]

On Deity it also means you can just endlessly spam Apex and you are gonna have +80% stats the whole time

[dark echo]

Is it because the mimic has a higher odds of casting buffs?

Hmm, I'll anticipate a nerf but I do see ways around it like others said

[vernal fable]

Ye but it can also be done with the Reraise Pet, which is how Heras are getting 5k Endless

[dark echo]

Endless isn't really gonna have a way to deal with it in most cases, and it doesn't fade on it's own?
Might need to incorporate it into my set up while I still can lol

[slender brook]

at least is balanced on summoners since it takes 2 turns to cast

[stark musk]

It does fade, but Heretic Corvus and Realmshifter Corvus have Critical Poise

[dark echo]

The bugs are usually eaten before that, but I've seen it cast while I'm in the buffing stage. Dunno if I'd give a slot to a bug in endless, even considering.
Could prep one with nekro and pet so I don't lose the dragons/mammoths

Ahh okay so it isn't the worst, but a spamming mimic makes it seem scary.

[stark musk]

Yeah, I also have a video that shows how it can make you immortal while raiding

Quixotic takes Handler into an anguish 37 Great Anguish and just chills there

[dark echo]

I could see it useful in raids(I'm already pretty unkillable in raids anyway)

[dark echo]

Damn you're packing that damage on

Raid might just give up at that pace

I could see it maybe helping when I carry people lol

[torn sand]

wait is reraise guaranteed??

[stark musk]

Yes

[dark echo]

All hail the poop bug

[torn sand]

it need nerf

on that

[stark musk]

Yes

[torn sand]

maybe second chance cap

so classes with second chance can't abuse it

and reraise isn't useless too

[dark echo]

It probably will but I think in these control situations it's seems worse than it is

[stark musk]

[vernal fable]

He's using a T3 0AL class with no gear, if you do that on a normal setup you can cheese Ang40+ Raids

[dark echo]

Would be funny to see how it turtles in area defense

I personally don't see it saving anyone, and people could pack more dot skills to change meta

Second chance is infinity more annoying

[stark musk]

These aren't controlled situations. That's one of the most powerful raids in the game, at Agony 37, on a T3 class just sitting there unkillable

[weary remnant]

was 20, think summon scrolls

[dark echo]

Literally a control environment, by definition.

[stark musk]

Is any raid or endless run a controlled environment then?

[vernal fable]

I don't know why we are actively trying to make it seem better than it is, there are several people abusing it right now to push never before seen Endless records or push their Agony level to something that wasn't even remotely achievable before

[stark musk]

Heretics reaching past floor 5000 and Realmshifters... attempting to do the same (we'll get there) are a huge problem too

Yeah, this should not be downplayed

[dark echo]

5000 floors that's like a whole day of running the dungeon.
Good lord lol

I can only imagine they have their gear tailored, and the fights must be obnoxious that high.
My blood pact are hitting 8million+ and I'm not even trying nearly that hard.

If they're just blasting one and dones all the way to 5000 in farming gear that's one thing.

But an unkillable raid being tanked is like, good for you, now kill the raid like that.

[vernal fable]

Apex can hit for 80m+ at Ang30, damage isn't an issue when you don't have to worry about staying alive

BP3 duo can deal 1.5b xd

[dark echo]

And that's wearing jester, mimic, questing, farming accessories?

[vernal fable]

?

Why would you wear that for an Ang30+ Raid?

[dark echo]

I'm saying, what are you getting out of it if you're not making profits from multipliers

[stark musk]

Farming gear doesn't boost raid drops

But for endless, yes, these insane runs can be in farm gear no issue

[dark echo]

"My number big in endless"
You sat 8 hours for that number, grats

[vernal fable]

O_O

[stark musk]

Def/Res don't matter. You have a status that makes you unkillable.

[vernal fable]

Am I getting trolled?

[stark musk]

I mean DalCais was initially talking about endless and then you brought back up raiding so I think there's just some confusion

[vernal fable]

They explicitly said "raid"

[dark echo]

So you're scratching at a berserk realm while you can't die. Okay

How long is each fight? What's it pay?

[stark musk]

Do you know how basic attack penetration works?

Scratching at the realm is not an issue. Realmshifter Corvus is capable hitting damage limit in deep endless

[dark echo]

Are you better off just running multiple endless instead of wasting time on huge walls,

[stark musk]

No, orns scale as depth scales

[dark echo]

Okay, then put the gear together as well.
Show me the gear list, I probably have it.

I need to do an orn run, just spent 800mil

[stark musk]

Not sure how viable it is at AL 0, and RS Corvus endless takes some getting used to, but I'll try to explain the basics. One sec

[dark echo]

I have all the classes bought, I'll manage

[dense orbit]

Let's wrap it up. In before the nerf ....and it's terrible for pvp due to followers and collateral bypassing it

[stark musk]

Swaps:

• Steward Gwyllgi for Att
• Ashen Phoenix for Deific Channel
• Kheper when not needing those other two buffs to maintain reraise

[vernal fable]

I don't know about Rs but Brival got over 4k as an AL28 Hera

[dark echo]

Ooh, a purple thin blade will probably be fine

[stark musk]

That'll really harm your penetration

An ornate trialing bow, or two questing bows is likely better

Unfortunately Realmshifter cares about quality unlike GS 🤣

[dark echo]

That's the one thing yelmog didn't wanna give me lol

[stark musk]

Yeah but I can't 'throw together' a Heretic build as easily because I just don't have the vibe of Heretic endless down

Just because I've never done it, and I don't have the setup for managing blueline

[stark musk]

Ah. I also own none almost none of those lmao

[vernal fable]

From what I'm seeing, some people who don't have Ruairc Archistaffs are just using Bloodray instead

[stark musk]

I'll just stick to RS, personally, but those more magically inclined it's something to try

[ornate thicket]

Ruairc is for bloodray. It lets you recharge it

You can't bloodray without Ruairc

[vernal fable]

Ah my bad, I read something wrong

[ornate thicket]

Nw, tbh this build is pretty confusing
The only reason I went for it is because I had a ton of bloodray attempts before update, so I already had an idea what I should use

But on the topic - I'm not sure anything can beat heretic here in terms of floor amounts. Maaaaaybe some crazy deity build, but you will get killed eventually cause mobs are too tanky

For context: floors 4300+ is where you get mobs with 10M+ HP so not only you need to go through their insane def/res, but also already need dmg limit break 💀

And main point - this need to be nerfed. We should not have other classes being able to farm 20% of what GS can do in 6x more time
That's really not balanced

[dark echo]

Those new t6 thief adorns might be decent with this

[stark musk]

Bristles are for Avidity chance as well.

[dark echo]

Ahh good point

[weary remnant]

reraise is the easiest thing in the world to nerf to avoid abuse but still allowing it to be meaningful in "normal" builds and content: just give it a 80-90% chance of working as a second chance instead of 100%, leave everything else the same. No 5k floors in endless, no "auto-raiding" because you are giving up damage and a lot of pet actions to get that "shield", it becomes a variant of statis and a worse one

it's a nerf that would take something like 5-10 min of coding at most if it currently is coded as a 100% second chance which i think is the case

[stark musk]

That would still be way too broken in PvP with TMM and the sandals

[weary remnant]

pvp as usual can have different numbers

and we shouldn't nerf things for the whole game just for pvp, as usual

in pvp it can be 50% or whatever

again 2 min more coding

now the rest of the problems listed by the people here are a lot trickier to solve

but i think people are over-estimating the new added things vs the whole event in general: this is still the event for dynasty items, aaru robe, it's a raiding event ; now eastern mask added which is nuts for some build, eye of sekmeth, same thing, new summon 4 for GSH pretty good, even if the monument part isn't perfect the event is still awesome, unclear why so many people are angry

[ornate thicket]

Just give the skill 50% chance of applying buff. Problem solved

[stark musk]

I feel like this is one of the first times I've seen you positively defending an event 😆

I agree though, the event is great. Some things need to be nerfed, and Gilded Kheper probably shouldn't be as rare since it has a unique drop, but besides that I think everything is great

[dense orbit]

Follower, summons, collateral all bypass it so it's pretty worthless in pvp

[stark musk]

I'm so glad I have none of that as a Realmshifter

[weary remnant]

i actually positively defended jan and feb events as well. Only prob in jan was overlapping 2 insanely good events which causes burnout tbh

[dense orbit]

You have a follower and avidity

[weary remnant]

gild k could stay as rare as it is if you give us crafting for the item same as with ramesses

can be very expensive like 50 seals per type, or can be osiris seal sunk, given we have no use for them

like 10 osiris seals = you roll 1 amulet

[slender brook]

or give it diminishing returns with uses: first use 100%, second 80% and so on

[weary remnant]

might be a great deal harder to code that way though

and we need a ninja fast fix

and still too broken for pvp if it's 100 at first

[slender brook]

PvP can have separate rules

[stark musk]

Covyn gave a really cool suggestion, but it would change the entire way the skill worked.

He suggested it return you to 100% HP but apply Curse of Sekhmet, giving you limited time to live.

I don't think it would work really for reraise in this context but I just thought it was a really cool concept for an ability

[slender brook]

that's actually thematic

[weary remnant]

"after you are reborn, you have the stats of a gs" would be even a worse curse

but ye anywya, has to be fixed asap whatever the fix, preferably without making it entirely unplayable in general

[dark echo]

General ballpark i dunno lol

[ornate thicket]

Sounds nice

[weary remnant]

the way it works for gsh is balanced

[stark musk]

You can't equip that sword on Realmshifter Corvus

[weary remnant]

the gold k has to survive, reraise you, and you come back once

many rng steps along the way

[slender brook]

you just wnated to flex the ornates

[slender brook]

also 2 turns to cast

[dark echo]

Sorta but they have my highest orn% so

[weary remnant]

i mean it's already good enough for gsh even with all the caveats, as it comes without using an item slot

[slender brook]

the gold bug isn't 100% summoned but yeah

[weary remnant]

it is when autosummon

in my testing

and it never dies from hypa if you have 3 others

[slender brook]

should be the same % theoretically

[weary remnant]

you don't 100% get it if

you don't have the slots

it comes last

i think hypa takes order they came in that's why it survives

but trust me it survives hypa

[dark echo]

Lowest hp

Gets eaten first

[weary remnant]

no the other bugs die with more hp

[slender brook]

that ok but since the skill has a chence to fail to get the gold bug, CR should also have the fail chance

[dark echo]

Well then that's weird and contradicts the way hypa works

[weary remnant]

unfortunately it's kinda hard to show on video because of invisible summon bug

i'll try to make a video

[dark echo]

Ill watch more closely next time I am eating bugs

Was bristle always .5 avidity? Feel like i should use mono essences

[stark musk]

No you do want the crit chance lol

It has always been 0.5%

Unfortunately unlike other classes, most RS stuff is "balanced" 😅

[dark echo]

lol yeah I noticed this, RS stuff can quickly get out of hand

[weary remnant]

he wasn't ironic

[vernal fable]

I mean, Rs is quite op in PvP atm but that's quite off topic

[stark musk]

Yeah, no, literally. When other classes get things that objectively a little overpowered, RS tends to get normal power level things (or underpowered but that's been getting a little better over time)

It's just how Orna goes

Always has been

[glossy hill]

CD only bypasses it if the CD hit isn’t the one killing you. It also stacks with second chance, meaning you likely need even more damage sources to bypass both

[weary remnant]

ok seems like i was wrong because it was the ORIGINAL bug that had more hp than gold k, while the bugs that come with gold k have lower hp @dark echo

[dark echo]

About half the hp typically unless hand summoned yeah

[brisk patrol]

Enter stasis ** I heard cheese**

[tawny wolf]

So I've summoned some arisen thronemaker raid bosses, and I'm at the quest step where i need to beat the non arisen version, can i defeat them now or should I wait in case there's another further quest where I need to beat the arisen version?

[sick sierra]

My 2 cents:
Osiris raid is a little too hard to find
I don't want to run beast path over and over just because of him (I have interest in the rest of the adorns too)
As Osiris is the new and most desirable raid, I would like to have better access to it
The new content is super appreciated, tho. All the new content we're getting on almost every event is making the game better and better. Thanks NF!

[tawdry flame]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-click-wait-spiderverse-gif-1263467286657666239

[vernal fable]

How do you deal with the Mimics since they are physical immune? (I don't play Rs, asking for a friend)

[stark musk]

Shadowed Earthstrike for the first while, then Viperstrike III. If you're deep enough that you need basic attack it'd be a weapon swap

[torpid sail]

Wouldn't mind if monuments were more common for the event.

[vernal fable]

He said Viperstrike couldn't damage it (floor 1054)

[stark musk]

If you're deep enough that you need basic attack it'd be a weapon swap

Floor 1000 seems really early to need that though against a mimic

[vernal fable]

What's the weapon swap? 🤓

[stark musk]

Like literally swap to a weapon with dragon element

[vernal fable]

Ah okay, thought there was something specific

[stark musk]

Arisen Fey Badb Catha if you want a specific weapon, because it has the highest attack in the game, but it shouldn't matter 😅

[vernal fable]

Thank you, letting him know

[toxic fable]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-12200085547953407037

TFW you wake up and see everyone dumping on the event because of the monument implementation... But you are a monument fanatic and can't help but like it.

Also, grats Knight on becoming part of the rainbow circle crew. Was checking that last night and noticed you hit 125.

[dense orbit]

I like the idea of monument events.....it's the implementation that needs work. 1 hour lock out for 5-6 event packs feels steep. When event dungeons can be run from a way vessel and have 100% event mobs

[torn sand]

i like concept too but implementation is terrible

[dense orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/twins-twinsies-man-spiderman-spider-gif-10514073451626580881

[torn sand]

monument being slow af because of chest selection and current changes in event monument

and kheper

[toxic fable]

Yeah, the event is okay if you are lucky and have 4 monuments within your normal destination, unlucky people do get screwed a bit.

[torn sand]

kheper is main reason for why I'm disappointed and underwhelming drop is another

[toxic fable]

Also it would hurt less for some people that no monuments are near if it wasn't still winter for some areas. Would be way easier to run around and monument hunt if it wasn't cold.

[manic seal]

this was my reaction reading the endless news on legends discord...

[toxic fable]

I haven't read all of the discourse, just the endless discussion in this topic: can insane endless be done with 0AL in the heretic line? I'm assuming it is a gear thing and AL just lets you go deeper.

[stark musk]

Thanks! I've been so close for a while but was putting it off. New monuments though mean I'm now on the final push to 150 for the big proof

[stark musk]

Yes

[honest bramble]

Please fix this. Character keeps trying to access a chest when being on an other island

[hazy violet]

#1397573178431111219

[stark musk]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1477109217528643761

There's a dedicated bug report thread for monument pathfinding issues. Report everything there please

[honest bramble]

Will do bit later

Thanks

[dense orbit]

I've gone from 99 to 104 so far. Was hoping for 125 but we'll see

[stark musk]

This is also how I feel. I'm happy and running monuments for fun as usual. It feels like someone coming over to play with your favorite toy and not liking it 🤣

I'm not saying they can't be improved, but I've heard some people talking like forcing them to do monuments is painful

[dense orbit]

They are very clunky, and not smooth. I don't mind them, but if there was ever a candidate for 100% event mobs....it should be monuments that are gps only and not useable via WV.

[toxic fable]

Oh it can definitely be improved, I'm not ever going to try and say otherwise. I'm just coming off of a high of getting a legendary BoG, then getting an ornate arisen aaru legging from a chest.

(It would have been nice to get that more than a year ago since I don't really use it now, but I'll take it)

[fast berry]

Even if the monuments aren’t 100% event mobs they need a decent buff… good lord are event mobs sparse

[stark musk]

100% event mobs would both be OP as hell and also (imo) boring

[fast berry]

honestly monuments would be grindy at that point imo i like being able to skip through some of the fights because they’re non event stuff lol

[stark musk]

I do think they need a buff after yesterday's nerf though, for monument-exclusive monsters

[molten snow]

Yeah im happy this week since i have 3x vulcans within vd but if not for the ornate chests it would feel bad

[fast berry]

haven’t even seen an ornate chest

[molten snow]

Its only in vulcan

[fast berry]

FeelsBadMan

[stark musk]

There's one in Vulcan, floor 7

[molten snow]

And always on floor 7

[stark musk]

Layouts are static per week

[fast berry]

… you’re kidding it’s not completely random?

what in the world

[vernal fable]

I don't have a single Vulcan which is also my faction, it's so depressing

[stark musk]

They randomly change sunday at the normal time

[fast berry]

hm

[stark musk]

I mapped them out in Orna Legends. It's pretty cool because the material types are also static, so you can target farm some materials

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[toxic fable]

Vampiric Ore, my beloved.

[molten snow]

Can chests give eod rewards

[glossy hill]

Types and amount. Floor 1 Vulcan is always free 25 vamp ore

[stark musk]

No

They also can't give super raid items (any more). But it seems they can give items like a Zagreus Bident (during Riftfall)

[toxic fable]

I do think that the accessory chests should be able to give event accessories, even if they aren't T10. would immediately give them some sort of worth.

[stark musk]

That is the one downside of the items being tier locked

Tier 9s are getting the Gilded Scarab Amulet from chests while T10s are searching hopelessly for the golden bug

[toxic fable]

Exotic tag + current event filter should definitely override tier 🥲

[glossy hill]

Until we have an event with a useless accessory, and then everyone complains about the opposite 😅

[toxic fable]

Nah, the accessory chest is completely useless by default so it's just a reversion to the norm.

[stark musk]

Given all the T10 accessories aren't particularly valuable I don't think it'd be a problem

[glossy hill]

I’d still rather not see the rarest item in the event simply be available in chests, kinda cheapens it imo

[dense orbit]

I need more elemental essence ...said no one ever

[glossy hill]

At least those can be dismantled

[toxic fable]

Deities: Yeah we don't need those anymore either

[dense orbit]

Unless a demon forged one drops I'm good

[toxic fable]

If the item is gatekept from all T10+ players and they don't luck into finding it, it will cause a shitstorm anyways. May as well open the emergency pressure relief valve.

[dense orbit]

Just have the 2 accessories craftable like eastern mask. And include the Elysian tokens so you have something to use them on. 500 of each for the t9...so it's on par with the current spawn rate ><

#patch-notes message

I guess it's not live yet

Cause it still costs 15 keys

[toxic fable]

Odie was waiting patiently to make his first shot count on the official patch notes it seems.

[dense orbit]

There we go. 10 keys now

[toxic fable]

Looks like the seeded floor rewards changed: no material chest for vampiric ore on first floor of a vulcan monument.

Also I just got a farsight potion from a potion chest, chest rewards have changed.

Skeleton key chest used to always give 1 key, just got 3 keys from one of the chests.

Astralseed chest? that's new.

[little loom]

it is not

[toxic fable]

Oh was it just a seeded floor chest option that we didn't see this week?

[manic seal]

Thank you for the nerf of the Reraise, can I ask does the fail chance occurs when it gets cast or when it would proc?

[echo cypress]

Beautiful

[dense orbit]

Looks like minimum event mob is 3 for event monument. My only concern, is I only saw 1 non boss event encounter.

[manic seal]

monumental spec?

[dense orbit]

Nope

I had the same

[toxic fable]

In the end of floor chests, weapon/armor/accessory are now much less common; 2 of material/skeleton key/arena pass/potion are almost always present. I only saw 2 accessory chests in 4 monuments, and they gave a briny pendant and an immortal ring.

[echo cypress]

No

[toxic fable]

Will have to wait for my next rotation to see if the seed changed or if they are true random per run.

So accessory chests can potentially give gold scarab drop for t10s now.

[little loom]

Proc

[echo cypress]

there's an astral seed chest

is that new?

[toxic fable]

Monkey's paw curls though, as now accessory chests are way less common.

[manic seal]

thank you

[torn sand]

my 90% complains are no more more

[toxic fable]

Odie said above it wasn't, so I assume we just didn't have astral seed chest in this week's seed prior to the update.

[torn sand]

I'm happy

[echo cypress]

makes sense, thanks!

[toxic fable]

NP. I'll post after my next set if we seem to have a new seed, or if the end of floor chests are now actually a random selection.

[echo cypress]

one monument done after new update, big big big fan

[vapid dagger]

Super raid items being removed from ornate chests is sad though

Especially since we lost legendary rarity items from monumental guild shop

[weary remnant]

• Added a fail chance to the "Reraise" status effect
  Perfect

[molten snow]

2 ithras with same chests

5: farsight
6: 15 titanium
7: 21 perf baldur
9: 23 skystone
10: 20 dayleaf
11: 28 solarite
12: 28 silk

[torn sand]

yeah best thing

one of best

best is for kheper spawn buff

[vapid dagger]

Btw, is the ornate chest gone or still there in Vulcan monument?

[torn sand]

i don't think it's removed

[stark musk]

Layouts were shuffled

[vapid dagger]

There does seem to have been a shuffling with the patch though since burton said astralseed chest appeared

[stark musk]

There may be a new ornate chest somewhere else, but the specific one on floor 7 of Vulcan is likely gone

[vapid dagger]

Were orns also buffed? Just got 180k from a chest after getting 30k~ for over 20 orn chests

[molten snow]

Vulcan f7 is gone

[vapid dagger]

😢

[dense orbit]

Vulcan thief , 2nd floor......and nada at least it exists

[molten snow]

Vulcan:
4: 14 eyestone
7: 30 wolf blood
8; farsight
9: 15 wolf blood
12: 16 regular steel

[toxic fable]

I saw no ornate chest in my run of 4, which included 1 of each monument. Looks like the seed was changed.

[dense orbit]

They added arena tokens

So it will shuffle things

[vapid dagger]

Astralseed chest on floor 10 of thor monument

[toxic fable]

Yeah. I wouldn't mind if the arena token chest was made a bit less common as well.

[torn sand]

ornate chest is good and i don't think replacing it is good idea so it's unlikely

[toxic fable]

It is always a 100% skip for me.

[vapid dagger]

I'm continuously just picking skeleton key chest

[dense orbit]

I'm a man of sophistication.... I pick chest 1 , 100% of the time

[stark musk]

To be fair to the arena token chest, for lower tiers (what monuments are mostly designed for) arena tokens are highly valuable

[weary remnant]

we are back at more than 100 torment proofs per monu yeee

[toxic fable]

In a week, 73% of all t10 arena token picks are going to just be Trex picking it when it happens to be in slot 1.

[dense orbit]

I'm down to just 10k tokens....

[toxic fable]

Reset that great market

[dense orbit]

Never mind I'm down to just 35k

[molten snow]

Demeter
6: astralseed
7: 28 pure darkst
9: 15 fogston
10: 21 harden steel
11: 30 earthstone

Dont have thor nearby cant map that one

[vapid dagger]

Thor f10 has astralseed

Didn't check material chests

[fast berry]

immediately feels much better after the update

[vapid dagger]

Yeah, I'm liking it

[tired ether]

Love new update!

[dim fractal]

Did it drop?

[dense orbit]

Nope

[dim fractal]

It's for codex... 😂😂

[dim fractal]

Just selected Mage path and got Arisen Thronemaker Osiris as final Raid

[little loom]

yeah, some of his gear is currently tagged mage, so that is expected

going to adjust it

[echo cypress]

Odie and the squad are making quick work of this, this is awesome

[elder juniper]

Yea the item is only good at raids and endless bc pve rarely does double hits and ppl stack immunities to statuses so mobs dont have any tools to deal with second chance mechanic

[keen stone]

Just wanted to point out that not only are eyes of Osiris not very good, they're also very bland. Pet act and pet stat has been done many times before, and neither are all that great for us beos. Pet act is generally more useful for non beo since we have plenty, and I'm not a fan of pet stat on adorns since you can't anguish them.

I'd like to see some more unique effects other than pet act/sat, like something that helps with beastial bonds or beoAs extra pet action

[elder juniper]

Osiris eyes do help "beomonner" bc with eos and ophion i need to use lot of gear that does not have pet stats so extra from adorns is very nice

[toxic fable]

Pet stats on eye of osiris are indeed meh, but pet act on armor is a completely new thing that may have some utility.

[stark musk]

If it makes you feel better every class loves Eyes of Sekhmet

Except GS I guess

[weary remnant]

i think the intended audience is non-beos actually

[elder juniper]

I do love osiris eyes

[weary remnant]

in particular non beos with 2h celestial/celestial + offhand who can't then use blackened

[elder juniper]

Plz do not touch the pet act or stats

My summoner gear finaly has pet stats so im happy

[toxic fable]

Doesn't that new hydrus pact crit?

[weary remnant]

lol no

[toxic fable]

Was worth asking, I am still terribly ignorant on the recent summoner changes.

[keen stone]

Also there's no stat on them that scales with quality

[elder juniper]

It would be cool if the pet stat scaled with qual

[weary remnant]

warrior as well only need superior, it would be better if everything was at least slightly better with quality to push for farming

[keen stone]

Why pet act then? I don't think there is an intended audience, Odie just didn't have any better ideas and didn't think about it much

[weary remnant]

? the pet act is the actual thing needed

[keen stone]

Sorry pet stat

[weary remnant]

for flavour i guess

[hazy violet]

They're the only Armor Adornment that gives +Follower Stats and +Follower Act, and at T6 no less.

[keen stone]

Lmao

[elder juniper]

Pet action is nice for anguish

[weary remnant]

1% is irrelevant anyway for all classes

[stark musk]

Yeah keep in mind all of these adornments are tier 6

[weary remnant]

in general pet stats are irrelevant unless on main item because of anguish

[elder juniper]

Bc now i can compensate some maluses with negative act

[weary remnant]

unless odie wants to make items scale 3% per level with adorns in one day...

[stark musk]

I'm building an OP Shield Bash build on my T6 alt for the Neith adornments

[weary remnant]

ye 40 att 2% crit no malus t6 balance

[elder juniper]

Plz dont touch the pet stat adorns i need them

[molten snow]

Pet stat is still best choice for towerfall i think

Just cuz other adorns dont do much

[elder juniper]

This

Pet beo does not have much other good choices

And we now finaly have armor adorn that is "valhallan"

[keen stone]

Yeah that's why we get excited over extremely mediocre gear

[elder juniper]

It makes eos so much better to use tbh

Bc now my summon stat gear has some pet stats aswell

And now i have much more freedom to take pet act maluses in agony path

[keen stone]

Well I'm glad it helps meme builds

[toxic fable]

It's understandable to worry about it from that lens, but I think it's just not a big issue overall.

[fast berry]

Is event crafting like the mask influenced by monumental guild karma?

[stark musk]

Yes iirc

[toxic fable]

And at t10, that amount of extra stat would only be an issue if it gave magic as the extra stat; as it stands, the only magic-using class that benefits from it is BeoH at a less than half rate.

[fast berry]

Gotcha thank ya

[stark musk]

Alright I have new confirmation that it does not, lol

1000 karma prevents broken/poor, but a broken/poor mask is still possible at 1000 karma

[fast berry]

Good to know, thank you

Don’t know it prevented poor/broken either before

[weary remnant]

Might be for OS

[toxic fable]

Eh, OSes not having specs is already a massive handicap. OSes are strongest in the bottom 2 seats from raw gear stats, and these adorns are above those tiers.

[open lodge]

I don’t have time to bug report it right now, but this quest does not count ornates gained after pvp battles

[fast berry]

Score

Got a 16% ward ornate initially but they’re cheap enough to keep trying

[elder juniper]

Well atleast reraise is not broken anymore

[open lodge]

Oh hey it dis guy

[glossy hill]

So, are we okay with the mask being FSC but for the head slot? Trying to understand what the general consensus is here

[elder juniper]

No

Plz nerf

[clever sigil]

Damnnnn

[vapid dagger]

I'm personally just okay with the mask, if there's any nerfs I think just removing boss scaling should be it

Don't remove the adornment slots though please

[glossy hill]

If you remove boss scaling you remove 2 slots

[stark musk]

Maybe Odie could "add" two adornment slots and remove boss scaling simultaneously?

[vapid dagger]

Yeah, that would be preferable

[kindred mauve]

Please

I need a 6 slot mask already on release we were stuck to a 4 slot

💔

[stark musk]

Oh, do you play Hero of Aethric?

[fast berry]

yeah I think removing boss scaling but keeping the slots total the same is a solid call

[stark musk]

At the moment (I think this is still the case) HoA does not have boss scaling on the mask but Orna does

[little loom]

They both should atm

[kindred mauve]

Yeah

[stark musk]

Yeah so when I say "add" slots it's because Boss Scaling adds two slots

So removing boss scaling and adding two slots would just nerf the ward but keep the slots, preventing any issues with items being overadorned

[kindred mauve]

Yeah im down for that

[vapid dagger]

Can we get a new use for seals of osiris?

[keen stone]

Does fsc make you give up pet?

[glossy hill]

The mask gives Ward even without a pet

The 2h bonus is just an extra

[analog kindle]

it says he's optional, better skip!

[icy flax]

Are monuments deterministic? Like if I can't get any rare spawns will it help if I pick a different path, different monument type, different monument, or leave the party like you would for a memory hunt?

[stark musk]

You can try but probably not

The rare spawns all drop items for 'all classes' so path won't influence them

[smoky gorge]

Is the only difference between the event monument and regular the end boss? Don't want to waste more keys than I need to

[open lodge]

The event mob density

[toxic fable]

Am I shooting myself in the foot by spamming normal monuments as I grind path of the thief for adorns and seals?

I've lost track of how many monuments I've run thus far, I did entirely event monuments until a bit before the key cost change but swapped to normal monuments becauase I don't need thief boss loot. Am I lowering my chances of seeing event rares significantly?

All I know is I've gone from monument guild level 126 to 130.5 and I've seen exactly 2 gold bugs.

[hasty silo]

I haven't been paying much attention to my key count since the reduced cost but it seems like they might be key positive now

[clever sigil]

Booooooooooo

[hasty silo]

Rip

I might end up using codex kit on them

[clever sigil]

Gold bugs appear on third floor of thief path green monument.

[hasty silo]

I think it's random if they're there or not, can check in 40ish min

[echo cypress]

Should be random yes

[clever sigil]

One can hope

[hasty silo]

Nothing in Demeter for me, wonder if seed might be party/hour based like amities

[north bay]

Can we change the fail rate on reraise to be failure to "cast" instead of failure to "activate" instead?

Adjust the spell act rate as well for balancing reasons, I personally just find it tedious to see the buff but it has a chance not to work (false sense of security) I might as well have my kheeper try to cast reraise over and over but be secure in knowing that if I do get it, it'll actually work.

[honest bramble]

Agree

Like "failed to summon _ _______" when non summoners try summoning

Same should go for follower and the summons

And honestly reraise itself is quite controversial imo... should be changed to something else

Maybe something like cleanse

Or Dispel II

[echo cypress]

omg could you imagine

[hasty silo]

You have a Demeter near you?

[echo cypress]

"I have twilight stone in my party for thor at 14:00 CST, pm for invite"