Beastfelled- 2026

[patent inlet]

i'm a little confused - the darkrift mechanic was introduced in the same patch as rat/snake removal

[magic tiger]

i cant believe towers have raids in the middle whats going on NF

[harsh sonnet]

to be honest, if we are voting to either keep the extra pop up monster or remove them completelly and therefore reduce the drop amount, I'm fine with extra few clicks..

[patent inlet]

tower raids were best raids

[brave scarab]

Are they gone already? I just saw them recently...if that's true, I apologize, I didn't mean to.

[random zephyr]

Bring them back as an event tower

[pastel forge]

One person doesn’t like the event. Gives basic talk points and asks all the players he plays with to come here and complain with him. And then we get this

[magic tiger]

can you expand the poll for a 3rd option where twice as many monsters pop up rather than 1-2

[main wave]

Odie, don't lock salmons in weapons. please...

[random zephyr]

Has to fight a raid, THEN a SUPER TITAN

[queen mesa]

I don't like extra pop ups, but I also don't think it needs to be entirely removed
making extra enemies appears all at once should be a good compromise

[pastel forge]

They were completely removed when dark rift mechanics were introduced. Would be hard not to notice if you were running them so much that dark rift was damaging your play experience

[harsh sonnet]

if the community votes that they don't like it, will they get removed completely or moved to spawn simultaneously? Guys you do realize if they remove them we get less mats right

[queen mesa]

I'm pretty satisfied with current dungenon situation
if removing extra pop ups will reduce the number of overall event monster per dungeon, I'd accept extra pop ups

[scenic shuttle]

I was caught off guard when the update hit lol I was like I just ran these a few hrs ago and this wasn't there and then noticed that it's all event spawns. I like the all event spawns just not the way enemies appear (similar to rift falls) if that was changed/fixed I would probably 100% love the content

[wraith horizon]

And that's my pov. It's pretty fast though, can be much more laggy

[earnest nymph]

I do miss the arisen kin of kerberos though

[pastel forge]

I think this could be an acceptable middle ground, though it still feels like it’d remove some of the “magic” of dark rift dungeons, in favor of just buffing spam AoE builds

[patent inlet]

could make it the boss floor

[queen mesa]

also if extra pop up gets tweaked I hope NF won't forget to apply it to Darkrift dungeons as well later in this month

[patent inlet]

arisen kin + 5 event mobs

[worn elbow]

would give the dungeon more structure, I like it

[main wave]

https://tenor.com/view/piano-bruce-almighty-keyboard-keyboard-warrior-fast-typing-gif-3416345

[scenic shuttle]

1 per dungeon like you did with the cursed queens final floor boss would be a really cool idea and still allowing players who don't have bd to get the stuff arisen kin of kerb drops

[random zephyr]

Kinda around the same speed clear time, what probably slows me down is the fact I switch sets every dungeon XD

[pastel forge]

43 seconds for 9 floors means it’d take around 1min11sec to complete. Seems pretty good to me

[pulsar cave]

Can't believe we even complain about farming being not that exciting after Wyrm tbh lol

[scenic shuttle]

Well you're also a summoner so your not having to take extra turns

[worn elbow]

also... curious on public opinion here: are y'all buying the cat's paws with AP?

[main wave]

https://tenor.com/view/55-burgers-fries-tater-tots-pastas-gif-16276634907982959412

55 Floors, 55 Keys, 55 Kin of Kerbs, 55 Kerberos, 100 Mats...

[wraith horizon]

Can you read my message more carefully?

[scenic shuttle]

Try it on say beoh or deity just to see how painful it is for single enemy each turn

[pulsar cave]

Also from many players' tests including mine, new dungeons are OP to farm in terms of time investment lol

[reef crypt]

So we can make video with party play time

[fleet light]

Guys the pop-up mechanic is better, we can farm more mats

[harsh sonnet]

current chain of events:

community wants more mats gain >
we get more mobs in dungeons >
community don't like the extra mobs >
mobs get removed >
community gets less mats gain >

[pulsar cave]

this.

[main wave]

trash mobs btw

more mobs is fine if its mobs of the event.

[slender helm]

It's not hard to understand. You can clear a floor and then in the same time it takes to clear 2-3 more floors you're killing backup mobs 1 by 1. It's a fair sentiment to be annoyed by this

[scenic shuttle]

Yes it's better but it's can be implemented better to be less laggy/lag welcoming and allow for players to plan accordingly to better run dungeons

[random zephyr]

I only play summoner, my beoH couldn't even kill a T5 mob most likely 🤭😅

But summons are nice, even though I'm definitely taking extra turns to do dungeons then most endgame set ups with other classes XD

[main wave]

current chain of events:

community wants more mats gain >
we get more mobs in dungeons >
community don't like the "trash" mobs >
"trash" mobs get removed >
(REDACTED cause did not happen)

[harsh sonnet]

we cant get everything, as I said if it means the keys are more materials net positive, I'm happy to make a few more clicks.

[scenic shuttle]

For this mechanic specifically even tho you gear swap your pretty fast due to only hitting one button instead of 2+ buttons

[rose pulsar]

Can somebody explain why dark rift mechanic is good? In my opinion its just a strange way to add a chance for extra mob

[rugged knot]

THISSSSSS ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ ☝️

This would be a super cool idea for some new event 🙏 🙏

[slender helm]

We sure can

[queen mesa]

I honestly think complaining about extra pop up is a bit too much, but since the major issues with BF dungeons are now addressed (BF key cost, non-event mobs), I think it can be discussed

[random zephyr]

Balor invades is looking pretty lonely 👀👀 fight lugus mid tower, then fight his boss!!!

[pastel forge]

Literally 99% of players have lag in party play. It’s not event specific

[worn elbow]

hold on you’re on to something

[queen mesa]

I liked the mechanism because it matched well with the theme of zagreus' endless army in darkrift dungeon so hopefully it will not be removed entirely

[mild nest]

Ah just seeing this... Mb 😅

[queen mesa]

but I'll appreciate any changes to make it less time consuming.

[random zephyr]

Mainly because I do this exact strat for every dungeon 😅

It's 3 gear swaps for wyrmhunt cause I have to buff summons to kill the dragons, which takes me 2 minutes 30 seconds to do about 🤔

This specific mechanic is a blessing compared to HP sponges

[main wave]

ewwww gear swapping. my day is ruined

[scenic shuttle]

All good Odie put one up for us I'd have asked him but wasn't sure it was the right person to ask since he's mostly an observer to the discussions and tries to please to many people at once lol

[random zephyr]

Ik ik, I've been waiting WAITING for balor invades touch up

Dadga is probably one of my favorite bosses, alongside lugus having some of the most powerful accessories ever ( his sweet hands- gauntlets )

[brave scarab]

but in any case, this does not change the fact that the rift mechanics are a little inconvenient in this event

//I probably attributed the absence of rats/snakes to my luck. It's a shame I could have misled someone with my words.

[main wave]

The only thing I like about odie is that he never gets angry.

maybe not only.

maybe 3 more stuff but thats a secret

[rugged knot]

Poll this please

1️⃣ add raid mid tower in an upcoming event
2️⃣ dont add
3️⃣ add it but its dangy wearing a thong

[slender helm]

Yall have a video of what the mid tower raid was? That was before my time and I'm very interested

[random zephyr]

I had one it's deep in the library by now, it was during PEAK summoner days where only summoner could do them in T9

I think I had buggane by then, took me like 25 minutes? But it eventually died XD

You couldn't skip them, either fight it or leave

[ripe rapids]

I'm still happy that we got rid of them. It was either dracon, fomor or starlord (and some of the morri sisters?) sitting in the middle of a tower. Didn't really make sense in my opinion and slowed down the progression.

[random zephyr]

Morri sisters showed up a lot, I never saw dracon, fomor, or starlord in those days XD

[rugged knot]

I think it would be cool for an event tower with 2 bosses. Kinda like mnemosine, but with extra steps

[blazing musk]

Is the random enemy joining new or was that there the whole time?

[scenic shuttle]

They were literally placed at the mid point of the tower as well 15 floors floor 7 50 floors floor 25 which then I think scales it a bit

[random zephyr]

New lol

[scenic shuttle]

New go to #polls and vote on the issue

[blazing musk]

Ah cool I just popped open orna for a sec while on break haha

[brave scarab]

Yep, Neman and Badb...not sure about Macha

[brave scarab]

I apologize, I didn't save the videos.

[slender helm]

Dang now I'm wanting an endless raid tower with a leaderboard

[scenic shuttle]

Yah maybe make it more like mnemosyne but you kill a titian every 5 floors or something?

[ripe rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW41QyAMPbg
~1min

[reef crypt]

So, #polls I would like to vote for changing/improving the mechanics, but I have to vote "no"

[scenic shuttle]

@patent inlet is it possible to add an option specifically for modifying the current extra enemy spawn mechanic

[patent inlet]

if yes is a winner, we can still talk about function

[slender helm]

Dang that really gives off old school rpg vibes. Interesting how different the layout is now

[scenic shuttle]

I had to stop watching because the old movement mechanic made me hate towers (I stoped doing them until the rework

[scenic shuttle]

Okay so either way the vote goes we can still discuss the how it works for that mechanic then?

[reef heart]

This option won't offend people. They'll be able to turn it on and off whenever they want, under favorable conditions.

[harsh sonnet]

they just fixed the dungeon window, don't make them change it again 😬

[scenic shuttle]

Uh there is more than one available option to change how this mechanic works

I'd prefer the extra spawns all spawn at once instead of 1 at a time

I think turning the mechanic off or on can be an option but not one of favor

[queen mesa]

we will complain "enable extra enemy pop up" checkbox resets after few runs because of the bug next

[scenic shuttle]

It can also be changed to have like shadow spawns where you can see there are more enemies but not damage them until they step out

But for now let's not worry about ideas on how to fix it but rather thoughts on the rest of the event while the poll is up to decide

[pastel forge]

I don’t think the people voting for “no” realize that, if it wins, the mechanic likely just gets removed, and not changed

If people want the mechanic (and the extra spawns it brings) to stick around, even if they need some changes, they should be voting for yes

Otherwise, why would a dev waste time changing a feature when his players tell him they don’t want it?

[scenic shuttle]

That's why I asked Odie the few questions I asked starting here and going down to where I replied

[pastel forge]

And I think this reply pretty clearly shows that, if people want that, they should be voting “yes”

[scenic shuttle]

Specifically think this will take multiple polls to figure out specifically what we want/can do

Like I'm sure there are things Odie can do to make the mechanic more user friendly but there are things that aren't practical or would take to much investment to make work for this event

I just hope it gets changed a bit before both rift fall and this event are active together

I also think if the mechanic stays the same beastfelled and rift fall should be separate months/mini event

[pastel forge]

Again, if I’m a dev and “no” wins, I’m just removing the feature from beastfelled and keeping it as it always worked in riftfall. I agree the poll could be more specific (“yes, as is”, “yes, although it needs changes”, “no”)

[paper plinth]

i personally like it and am not sure why people dislike additional enemies, but a vote is a vote and if more dont like it than like it, i just hope it stays key positive after the removal

[patent inlet]

just want to get the top-level sentiment: whether popups are desired or not

we can address the details therein if popups are desired

[pastel forge]

Might be the first time in gaming history that players vote to make an event less efficient

[slender helm]

I don't like and would be happier seeing it removed; I didn't like it in riftfall either. Yes they're extra enemies, but I can just run another dungeon

Its literally just extra dead bodies

[pastel forge]

The extra dungeon, in this specific event, costs scroll mats though

[scenic shuttle]

Its specifically the way it works not that it happens or more enemies are bad just that it spawns them 1 at a time with no indication there can be more or won't be

[paper plinth]

but you net more enemies per key....which is more loot and materials. and its not like the pop ups get to attack first, just spam attack and they die anyways :-p

i just assumed it rolled a dice on kill and if you pass the check, you get 1-3 free mobs, and it just keeps doing it over and over

[pastel forge]

But that’s not being translated into the votes. You keep saying that but you voted “no”, while Odie keeps saying he’s first assessing whether the mechanic itself is desired or not

[slender helm]

True and this might be a moot point, but would you rather have the backup mechanic or an additional floor?

[harsh sonnet]

ppl don't know what they want, and when they get it, they don't know what they want

[reef crypt]

IMO if "no" wins, it's worth revising the mechanics rather than removing them entirely. Several people here think so too.

[paper plinth]

i mean with how common back up is....we would need like 10 additional floors

[pastel forge]

I find the backup mechanic more interesting imo. Spamming big dungeons is already something I do outside events

[scenic shuttle]

Which brings me back to adding the 3rd option now to reflect what all players want I'm not the best at black and white decisions

[cursive tundra]

Put the extra mobs in a single wave, removing them completely especially after their drops are activated is definitely not the way to go

[wraith horizon]

There can be another, less time consume options, to achieve same mats result

[pastel forge]

Odie is literally telling you all that if you want the mechanics revised you should be voting yes and not no 🤷‍♂️

Don’t think the man can be any clearer

[pastel forge]

I’m pretty sure that a yes win would be followed by either another poll or discussion here on what changes to bring. A no win just ends it for beastfelled

[warped agate]

Vote!?

[paper plinth]

i mean how long is it taking you to clear this? its <1 min a dungoen even with adds, i can clear all 9 at my OT before lockout expires

[warped agate]

Poooooll! <3

[cursive tundra]

Putting all the spawns in the first wave makes wearing ruairc useless i suppose

[warped agate]

Im suprised at the results to be honest

[wraith horizon]

It's really depends. Lags are pretty unstable

[rugged knot]

Yeah, id love something like that, especially if we got some cool armor pieces and weapons to make for a great reward at higher anguish 🙏

[pastel forge]

People are voting no while saying they want to keep the mechanic around 😅

[stable delta]

If we could move the continue dungeon button between floors up a bit 🥺 it would be nice

[paper plinth]

you can

[scenic shuttle]

Okay so apon further review here can we make the poll have 3 options
1 yes keep as is
2 yes but room for improvement/changes
3 no
I feel and many other players in this discussion feel the yes no is too vague and confusing for the reason the poll is made

[stable delta]

Oh what how

[paper plinth]

change your DPI on your phone a little and it resizes the buttons

[reef crypt]

People vote because they don't like the CURRENT mechanics, not because they want to remove them.

[paper plinth]

411 is default on my phone , 450 is usually enough to move BL2 to line up with continue

[stable delta]

Ah is that android only

[pastel forge]

Read Odie’s comments. He literally said he’d be open to changing them if yes wins, and that you should be voting yes if you want that

[warped agate]

Thats funny. But tbf this is really fun. Sadly it is right before riftfall but i still like it

[pastel forge]

I don’t know how else to explain it. He’s told you how he’s interpreting the poll, and you’re still voting based on a different interpretation

[languid vortex]

The dungeon mob pop-ups seem to mess with ruiarc gear? Im frequently getting 2-3 mobs per floor now with 3 gear pieces

[harsh sonnet]

and what should we be voting if we like them? "no I don't like them" ? 😄 lol

[warped agate]

Well its a straight forward vote, if ppl vote no then they dont want the mechanic at all. If you somehow screw that up, maybe go to PokeMongo instead... Its easier to understand

[warped agate]

Works absolutely fine for me

Getting 6 often

[magic tiger]

you Think I can Read?

[pastel forge]

The amount of monsters per floor were changed when the dungeon was made to have only event monsters. It’s not directly related to the dark rift mechanic

[wraith horizon]

Maybe 2-2.5 min average. <1 min before the change

[pastel forge]

I know you specifically can’t, you play gliga

[reef crypt]

We clearly needed three voting options to understand each other more clearly

[scenic shuttle]

Okay but when the reason I asked for the poll to be put up is specifically because the mechanic can be changed to be better for all users is now being seen as remove entirely or not then it seems Odie confused my request rather than what I proposed

[stable delta]

Thanks got it to work on ios too! Just a tiny sliver of overlap and have to reset it when not playing but this works so much better!

[pastel forge]

Sure. But you’re still voting based on your interpretation, while Odie will decide based on his 😅 How do you think that’ll work out?

[stable delta]

No more complaints about riftfall style from me haha

[pastel forge]

How did you do it on iOS?

[warped agate]

If you vote yes and you want the mechanic change, first make it locked in, then work on it.
If you dont like it, you dont like it.

I understand your point, but if its true people vote wrongly in this i can't help it, its way too funny

[warped agate]

Also possible^^ I asked earlier for keep ir or leave it poll, maybe thats why its this way?

[stable delta]

Display and brightness -> display zoom -> larger text

I get this tiny sliver of continue overlapping with bl2

[pastel forge]

Gotta test it out, thanks!

[warped agate]

When the DPI hit just right

[scenic shuttle]

You can't change your vote so not sure why you're hung up on my vote and I've already asked Odie to change it to Bette reflect what is being asked

[queen mesa]

it's good that NF reacts to community's reactions early and tweak things, but I also think NF has a right to do what they want.
extra pop ups was a novel feature and I think NF made it because it was what they wanted to make, and removing it entirely sounds like losing its creative ideas from the game

[pastel forge]

Yes you can? Just click remove vote below and vote again 😅 It’s more that around 8-10 people here are saying the same as you while voting “no”, which is working completely in the wrong direction of what y’all want

[reef crypt]

@patent inlet We need a voting option that says "mechanics need to be changed, not removed."

[scenic shuttle]

My fault I've not tried changing votes but also you should not be able to see who voted what that's like invasion of privacy kekw

[pastel forge]

He’s already said he’ll discuss that if “yes” wins. Please don’t ping him btw

[scenic shuttle]

Don't moderate people please Odie is more than capable of directly communicating that

[cursive tundra]

This sounds like moderating people with extra steps

[ripe rapids]

I don't see a problem there. We literally have a server rule for this and yet people ping odie daily

[pastel forge]

It’s a server rule for a reason

[scenic shuttle]

More about who does the moderating rather than the rule/issue I agree don't ping Odie a bajillion times but also don't try to moderate people if you're not a mod

[wraith horizon]

"and don't ping the developer excessively"

[scenic shuttle]

Can you bring this up somewhere where it will be seen slightly faster or not easy to be missed
Okay so apon further review here can we make the poll have 3 options
1 yes keep as is
2 yes but room for improvement/changes
3 no
I feel and many other players in this discussion feel the yes no is too vague and confusing for the reason the poll is made

[paper plinth]

android also has a second option outside of developer thats called screen zoom, and you can adjust it there as well. Mashing BL2, it took about 1 min 15 seconds to clear 1 dungeon with the pop ups...

[pastel forge]

If you don’t think pinging him on a topic he’s already commented on and explained is excessive then I don’t know what to tell you

[scenic shuttle]

Just a thought to consider you shouldn't have to change the developer settings or setting out side the game to perfectly line up specific buttons yes android has these options apple does not or it's extremely difficult to achieve so it shouldn't be seen as the norm to make dungeons faster

[paper plinth]

im not saying i dont want them to add the options, im just saying its something most players can already do so thats probably why they havent added the option

the devs have already increased the view distance, and adjusted buttons 1x so its not like they cant/wont do it again

[scenic shuttle]

Tbf I don't think a lot of players change the smallest width or know how to utilize the android zoom to do this

[paper plinth]

the DPI width sure, but zoom is a built in feature and my 75 year old dad knows how to use it, cause you better believe all of his texts and emails are at 100000% ><

[scenic shuttle]

Are you specifically talking about the larger text option in orna or something more that android does because I use smallest width to see more but have never looked at android zoom (accessibility setting?)

Uh let's take this to general or maybe dms as to keep this thread on topic

[paper plinth]

Android - > settings -> display -> screen zoom

[hot sequoia]

Can there be a pined comment with a link to the poll please

[scenic shuttle]

There was

[wraith horizon]

You keep seeing "no" as "complete removal of mechanics." Although the poll asks about the current state. So it's "no, I like to change it somehow"

[pastel forge]

It’s not me seeing it, it’s literally how Odie said he’d see it!

[scenic shuttle]

But polls is now at the top of the discord server layout and should be easily seen

[paper plinth]

Do you not see the channel for polls (its below patch notes on the left side)

some times channels get hidden and you have to tell discord you actually want to see them,

[scenic shuttle]

Let's not argue about this here and go with what Odie has said very clearly

[hot sequoia]

This is what I got. Ios am I roght

[scenic shuttle]

This is what he said

[hot sequoia]

Right

[paper plinth]

go to the top and say roles and channels, then all channels

[hot sequoia]

Thank you two

[scenic shuttle]

Np discord is dumb for all users some times it tries to declutter dispite not needing it

[upper ibex]

thanks holy cow

[hot sequoia]

I dont like the mob pop up mechanic as is.

The main draw back of the new mobs is: they are almost always normie mobs, they also get onshot, just not until it is the player’s turn.

Leaving a lot of the negative feedback about actually looking at the screen.

Personally if the mobs did something besides just show up I would be a lot more interested in this mechanic. I like the extra matts and they are free event encounters. But not meaningful in a gameplay loop.

I still voted yes in the poll cause I dont like the samey event layout that can happen. I this idea is cool, but needs just a little something unique

[paper plinth]

i mean thats just not true, i just had kerberos, and manticore both pop up in the same battle one after the other

[scenic shuttle]

If the enemies did things then id actually pay attention lol

[hot sequoia]

2/10 is still 20% mate

[wraith horizon]

Yes, you are right, sorry my lack understanding of English. I still want it changed or replaced, and I cant vote yes for current state

[scenic shuttle]

Odie did say further up if yes is the winner we can discuss options of changing the mechanic to be less annoying

[scenic shuttle]

Here

[wraith horizon]

50/50 would be perfect in that sense

[paper plinth]

i mean yes 2/10 is 20% , gratz on passing math...but you said its more often than not regular enemies....which isnt true. its just as likely to be kerb or manticore as it is to be a follower... 14 / 15 floors had pop ups, and 7/14 were all mobs with mats for scrolls,,,, so not 20%.....mate

[soft jolt]

I read this whole thing as, very annoying to have to touch the same spot on the screen a second time because another mob appeared instead of just moving your touchy finger to the continue button spot out of muscle memory.

[wraith horizon]

I think the possibility of further discussion also depends on the number of "no" votes. Like if >90% vote for "yes", then why change anything if the majority is satisfied with everything

[paper plinth]

are they boring sure, does it add more click yes....but we just had wyrm hunt and cursed dungeons both were just spam fests as well... by the time your geared its not like any of these dungeons offer a real challenge

[scenic shuttle]

Kinda? If majority is yes then add poll keep as is or change the way it works

[cloud depot]

Can u like unblock me? I cant take part in voting

Which would be 49 to 49 if i could vote

[scenic shuttle]

If majority no, would your answer change to yes if the mechanic was changed

Merr why have you blocked me what did I do to make you block me

[cloud depot]

Nah it would be 49 to 49

I would vote yes

[wraith horizon]

Correct me, am I wrong understanding "like extra pop-up enemies mechanic of the current Beastfelled Dungeon" as "like current state of mechanic"?

[upper ibex]

merrrrr, fizz asks why you have him blocked

[cloud depot]

Idk

XD

Iirc he was reacting to my messages with stupid emojis

I dont remember tbh

[scenic shuttle]

Probably xing mer lmfao

[cloud depot]

Lets stop this drama ok?

[hot sequoia]

No need to get mad, historically kerb furs have been the limiting factor. Which would make my first statement correct.

This little bit you disagree with, still doesn’t address my feedback or any possible positive changes. So ima move on

[scenic shuttle]

Currently the way Odie is looking at it is if people want to have it at all from there he will add another poll (I think) to see if the mechanic needs changed to be a bit better

[wraith horizon]

I care only about time investment part, so mostly I don't really care if this mechanic will gone or positively changed. Current state is bad for some regions

I really hope its 50/50, so we can calmly going further in discussion

[scenic shuttle]

I want it changed to spawn in 2 waves
1 floor start
2 turn 1 completed

And possibly give the enemies who spawn a turn

[wraith horizon]

Yep, already upvoted these proposals above, much better

[harsh sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[halcyon oracle]

Dear Odie! When someone sees the pole in the pole section, they don't go searching all chats for how the pole's going to be interpreted by you.

The existing pole is lacking of an additional option.

[This one Fizz mentioned above](#1467927795882524906 message) would be perfect. Thank you

[fossil cave]

I kinda wish the new Beastfelled dungoen had a boss. Like..... Second Cousin of Kerberos or Nagging Wife of Lyncus..... I dunno ...something like that....

[dreamy mica]

the pool looks kind of straightforward to me, I'm still trying to understand how people can be unhappy about an efficient tool tbh

[paper plinth]

They have to change where they click is the main concern

[fossil cave]

How uncivilized

🤣

[dreamy mica]

sorry clicking where?

[wraith horizon]

No, it isnt

Or you're just joking?

[vernal pecan]

I disagree the poll is straightforward, he said that "yes" can also mean that you like having more mobs but you'd like how it functions to be changed while "no" means that you don't want additional mobs at all
And that absolutely can't be understood by reading the poll alone

I changed my answer from no to yes because of that but I'm not sure how someone who hasn't followed this discussion would know that "yes" winning opens to the possibility of changes while "no" would mean the removal of the mechanic

[frail hamlet]

How doed one even aquire a beastfelled dungeon key? I can't seem to find any event lobs

[slender helm]

Check the pinned messages

[frail hamlet]

How? Can't find those? Not using discord daily

[dreamy mica]

you craft them either from the monumental guild or the event menu

kerb fur and monocerus

[frail hamlet]

Yeah, the kerb fur is from the kingdom event I assume. But the monocerus?

[vernal pecan]

#1467927795882524906 message

[dreamy mica]

the fur is from a boss you can find in beastdens or monuments or towers, monocerus can spawn in any dungeon

[viscid rain]

Feel free to provide feedback on what you'd like to see to make the event flows more intuitive, we're always happy to hear feedback on that stuff

[frail hamlet]

Ok thanks! Monuments it is

[viscid rain]

We do little guides etc as a studio, and the community do also to fill the gaps

[patent inlet]

I don’t think folk really need the details - the poll is just asking if they enjoy the mechanic

[dreamy mica]

I believe, but I might be wrong or just unlucky, but after the patch I've stopped finding the t10 kerb with the GF aura, I'd be happy to have it back

[reef crypt]

It turns out that we don’t know what we’re voting for and what the consequences will be

[unborn dune]

I love the mechanic

[patent inlet]

You’re voting if you like it or not

[unborn dune]

Its literally what horde mode dungeons should be like in general. Only instead of them coming 1 at a time they should come all at once if its going in a wave based pattern.

[warped agate]

Ayo Odie. I feel like in all this discussing and complaining it sometimes get washed away that we truly appreciate you. You could just do whatever you want without any care, and we would most likely still love your game. Yet still, you sit down with us and talk about how we feel, and try to find compromises with us.

I truly think you're an amazing developer and i just wanted to say that, even tho i sometimes grow gray here cause of this game, i truly appreciate you as a dev and that you want to work WITH us. There might be some things i dont agree to, but overall, i am happy to be part of this journey.

Just wanted to get this off my chest, i feel like in all this sometimes very salty discussing, sometimes reminding you that you're great and that we appreciate you is mandatory. Thanks for listening :)

[paper plinth]

I wish I wasn't joking

[unborn dune]

Fax NF is amazing

[patent inlet]

If the winner is yes, we can keep it and explore options to make it better for everyone

If the winner is no, we can remove it or explore options to make it work for everyone

First, let’s just find out where everyone stands

No need to over complicate

[unborn dune]

Can someone link poll. Because I suck at phone discorb

[viscid rain]

#polls message

If you guys vote no, all your ornate chances go down by 100%

[unborn dune]

Haha nice number on poll

XD

[reef crypt]

Does this mean that if we want change, it doesn’t matter what we vote for?

[wraith horizon]

So, nothing is changed?

[fossil cave]

I just ran 8 dungeons in a row. Im net positive. I dont think I understand the issue. I missed something, clearly.

[shell wedge]

Some people don't like the random mobs spawning after you clear the initial mobs mechanic

[wraith horizon]

My context for time investment. Every additional move is quiet laggy in our region. So killing 1 mob over and over pretty annoying

[dreamy mica]

so you'd be unhappy even if we turn it into a 25 floor dungeon I guess

[brave scarab]

And this happens on almost every floor. We just want to get through the dungeon faster.

[upper ibex]

I have fixed my vote, pray i dont fix it further

[fossil cave]

Ah. Sorry to hear that. I think that was one of the coolest things NF has done in all these reworks. Top 3 recent additions..

[reef crypt]

Nope, 25 floors with rua set is pretty good

[wraith horizon]

No, its also effective for formula time/result

[shell wedge]

Same, plus you also get extra mats, event exp and all

[low knoll]

Have people tried farming the dungeon in Ruairc gear? I'm making a minimum of 100% profit every run. It's a free dungeon and 4 of them = free event raid.

[dreamy mica]

I'm pooping ang proofs at 0 efforts lol

[sturdy spire]

I was going from 2 to 6 to 12 keys with 2x ruairc gear, which is quite nice

[low knoll]

Same, the "it's too expensive" I saw in the feedback post seems to be mistaken.

[reef crypt]

One mob per turn. Not several, just one. Tiring, don't you think?

[soft jolt]

Mine are already in the negatives

[low knoll]

Normal though, Unfortunately Hard isn't quite profitable.

[soft jolt]

The raid bosses get ornates from killing me

[dreamy mica]

it's tiring when you're planning on farming 30 dungeons in an 1 hour which itself is still a lot and not a "average player drama"

[low knoll]

option 3: I like the enemies, but want them to all spawn at once?

[fossil cave]

I guess the bottom line is that if its broken somewhere and not everywhere then it needs looking at , if people are just mad that they cant power bomb dungeons to get more faster then at some point we have to accept that things take time. ... like farming twilightstone

[soft jolt]

Speaking of Twilightstone, when was our last Balor Invades?

[patent inlet]

It means if you like the mechanic, you vote yes in the poll

[dreamy mica]

try dulhan I used to do that while killing raids at home or dungeons, not optimal but works

[patent inlet]

Hey, this is too nice. Can yall get back to the insults or something

But thank you 🙂

[soft jolt]

I think this event needs a Majestic Møøse. It's a beast after all!

[patent inlet]

Mooseoceros

[soft jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/iota-iota-foundation-rick-and-morty-morty-im-in-gif-21733730

[patent inlet]

Moosicore

Turned King Moosus

[rose summit]

Hey im currently using 3 pieces of rua for extra 90% horde bonus... should i go full 5 pieces salmon too? Would it make much difference?

[fossil cave]

Only if its ethically sourced Salmon. Dont want murks to start showing up for goodness sake.

[sturdy spire]

100% is max

[fossil cave]

Not even a pity laugh. Frankly im disappointed in all of you. 🤪

[patent inlet]

I literally lol’d

[viscid rain]

Plus he has to put up with a really irritating aussie everyday. Truly remarkable

[prime sparrow]

I'm home

Cool, Odie made the poll

As you can see from the photo, going up there had to take priority

Unfortunately there were no beast dens

(I did check)

[paper plinth]

Knights out here looking for bear caves to collect fur ><

[shell knoll]

I just timed a 25 floor vs the 15 floor event dungeon, I had an extra mob on almost every single floor of event dungeon and it was faster than 25 floor by 7 seconds.

RNG on Zerk and Ward of Bone increases the timer for event dungeon, so how fast it's completed should range.

We're talking literally 5-10 second differences, 6 dungeons thats at most 1 minute.

This seems completely fine to me, this mechanic is fine and doesnt seem to cause issues. Just need a stable connection (I tested this using a hotel's wifi)

Finally mat positive (not by too much) after using mats to craft keys.

Would be cool if additional mobs all spawned at once, so I wonder how much development time would be needed to change the mechanic for that or if thats worth saving an additional 2 seconds

[unborn dune]

After everyone votes yes we may get further advancements

[shell knoll]

Nice

[rose summit]

What do yall do when u have no horns and no beast dungeon nearby? Is there some other dungeon etc thats good to get horns to make keys?

[prime sparrow]

Monuments!

Or just normal dungeons run on non-boss horde mode

[tame rose]

Are event dungeons not horn-positive?

[young sentinel]

they should be easily positive in both fur and horns now regardless of horde bonus being present
Probably ran out of them when crafting scrolls or something

[unkempt igloo]

the Is a relevant thing that no one discussed here yet about the "dark rift mechanic", maybe because it only applied to dark rift dungeons: in the final Zagreus floor, with full animations on, you don't automatically see the spawned enemy in the upper right corner, sometimes covered by the huge size of Zagreus itself and/or his godforging aura.

that's kinda of a problem, I died multiple times to that when I thought I had to start chackram Zagreus, instead of using bl2 a bit more to clear the floor then kill Zagreus

[prime sparrow]

the Is a relevant thing that no one discussed here yet

Sir this is a Beastfelled thread

The Riftfall thread does start in about two weeks though

But yeah that's why nobody has discussed it lol

[unkempt igloo]

well odie mentioned that T9 kerb might be the end of dungeon boss and that's why I voted no to the mechanic in the poll, because I don't want to incur the risk of people not seeing spawned waves

(under the assumption end of dungeon boss might get bigger size graphically to follow the pattern of Zagreus and Cao)

[young sentinel]

that seems pretty minor for most people, especially considering the amount of people at a real high anguish and how weak most beastfelled monsters are anyway

[tame rose]

I really like #2
...mostly because that's how I originally thought the passive worked 😅

[young sentinel]

but I'm pretty sure if the poll comes out as yes, it has been mentioned that there'd be room for tweaks and improvements. Seems like the poll is more for opinions on the concept of mid dungeon spawns?

[gray gazelle]

Is this supposed to happened?

Mob randomly join out of nowhere

[digital jacinth]

Yup

[soft jolt]

Yes

[digital jacinth]

It’s weird and messes with my ward tho

Damn, just had an absolutely terrible kerebos dungeon

Only trash mobs all the way

Thought they might at least give a boss on wave 15, but nope. Net negative resources on that one.

[tame rose]

Is the number of "extra spawns" affected by horde dungeon bonus?

If not, it seems horde bonus is not too desirable in these event dungeons, as there can easily be 2+ extra spawns to bump your enemy count even without Ruairc gear

[paper plinth]

100% horde takes you from minimum of 2 per wave to 3...that's a 50% increase. Why would you not want horde AND extra mobs...2 separate sources for extra materials on a super easy.dungeon

[gray gazelle]

I would love the extra mob comes in pack, instead on individual spawn.

[stiff bloom]

At least with darkrift it's matches the lore and theme, those darkrift counsel's appearing through space rift out of nowhere to get us, now what? Ninja beast? 😹

[tame rose]

I haven't figured out a build with full Ruairc gear, nor one with Celestial Weapon, that can quickly clear Ang10+ 🫤
I'm happy with the spawns (and Anguish Proofs) I get with 30% horde bonus 🤷

[upper ibex]

Two pieces of the valhallan on BeoH so far has treated me very good, and it all adds up. 40 keys with 60% horde will probably math out to like 50 keys in non-horde gear or something

[copper granite]

Event dungeons are no longer horn positive for me. Metric ton of fur though.

[lean mulch]

*new beastfelled dungeon setup (similar to riftfall)is far superior to what it was, good choice with that.

[lean mulch]

"When I make it big I won't tell anyone but there will be signs"
pile of monoceros horns in the background

[lapis inlet]

Same here, the horn income need to be improved imo

[warped agate]

I don't know if this was asked for, but can we get an indicator how much enemys are hiding? I dont know if i should prepare to hot continue or viperseal and it grows increasingly annoying :(

[unkempt igloo]

I might be wrong but I think you need cap luck for the horns

[rose summit]

Perhaps endless treats will help

[young sentinel]

I think endless treats only apply to normal mats, not event ones

feel free to punt me to the moon if im wrong

[unkempt igloo]

only normal mats yes

[random zephyr]

Endless treats doesn't boost event mats

Only normal 😅

Great for morri dungeons 🤤

[unkempt igloo]

and Halloween dungeons/tower

[lapis inlet]

I should be on max luck with 2 legendary concord + dowsing rod.

[sour zephyr]

This please.

I appreciate there being more enemies = more drops.

But floors that could take 1 turn can now take 2-5 turns instead
(yes I have had 2 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 floors)

[sour zephyr]

Event dungeons were basically horn neutral for me until the extra mob change,
and I seem to be pretty horn positive now.

[random zephyr]

If every dungeon was 1 turn taps wouldn't that be boring? 🤔

I don't think I'd want the same thing for every dungeon rather them spice things up as they have personally

[sour zephyr]

I don't really think a dungeon where you
tap 40 times with no fear of dying is more interesting than
tap 15 times with no fear of dying.

Maybe I just need to level up my Melancholy more,
but basically right now they kinda just make the dungeon take longer
without making me fear for my life

[random zephyr]

Not everyone is on that same lvl 😅

The extra pop ups do make those unprepared in fear XD

On that note it actually requires some extra engagement if ever so little

[sour zephyr]

For sure

To be clear

I understand that for less prepared player trickling in monsters is actually a good way to
increase # of monsters per floor
without having them all ready to swing from turn 1

[red cypress]

Oh god i love the event dung

Finaly dungeon that beoA can clear

[willow spindle]

Now we're cooking. Love the changes

[young sentinel]

I don't really mind the extra spawns anymore :p
Now i get to spam buttons even more which is inexplicably somewhat fun

[lean mulch]

100 proofs for s heart, I see you want me to play the game

[sour zephyr]

Yeah the HoC is quite nice

[young sentinel]

I do exploration dungeons for my HoCs, for fun!

[unborn dune]

Exploration dungeons are some of the best unloved content. For every 1 Exploration lover I've met like 800 ppl that simply was like cool its in the game. But haven't touched it since launch day.

[scenic shuttle]

Well there were tons just not ones you could go on and slaughter them all lol

[scenic shuttle]

The issue is for those who can't get a stable connection. Some peoples phones struggle to stay connected to anything. For me at work my data is almost as bad as the wifi they provide because the building is 20+ years old and the free wifi takes several seconds to load a page

[reef crypt]

Alright, so after sleeping on it and rethinking everything, here's what I wanna say.

Regardless of the voting results, I'd be happy to see two possible solutions:

1. If "yes," then rework the mob spawning mechanic to reduce the number of waves but increase the mob count per wave. For example, a main wave and a second wave - after that, the floor ends. What I mean is: all the extra waves get grouped into one second wave, so they all come at once instead of trickling in one by one.

2. If "no," then completely remove the DR dungeon mechanics from the BF event, but in return, increase the number of floors, while keeping only event mobs.

It'd also be great to bring back Kerberos with the golden aura - how to do that is completely up to the developers.

Honestly though, I still don't fully get the point of voting "yes" or "no" if the mechanics are going to change anyway. At first, since English isn't my native language, I took it as: if "no" (you don't like the mechanic in the CURRENT event), then we'll change it, not remove it. And if "yes" (you do like it), we're STILL willing to talk about changing it. The issue for me is the word "still" – it's not just "can talk", but "can still talk", as if without that clarification, nothing would change for the "yes" vote, and only a "no" would trigger changes. A close analogy for "still" is "yet" (всё ещё). Not sure how else to explain my train of thought here.

Subjectively, I'd prefer more floors, regardless of whether I have the rua set or not, as long as they only have event mobs, even though the other option would work for me too. So I'm still voting "no." Think about what would be best to do, while also keeping additional mobs so we have something to suggest beyond just criticism.

But either way, I'd be glad to see the DR dungeon mechanics reworked, whether they stay in the BF event or become something unique to DR only.

And separately, I want to give a huge thank you to everyone who responded - whether positively or negatively.

A big thank you to Odie and the team for caring about the community's opinion and for their reactions. I also really love the game and how it keeps changing and evolving. I'm really looking forward to the next events to see what the updates bring. I've been playing Orna for several years now, and it does a great job holding my attention. Before this, only one other GPS game managed that (and no, it wasn't Pokémon Go lol).

I'm sorry if any of my earlier messages might have come off as unfriendly. Overall, I have no negativity - I don't want that in my messages. I really just wanted to point out something that I think might get in the way of having a positive game experience - this is my first time directly sharing my opinion in a space like this.

Anyway, thank you all. Love you guys.

[scenic shuttle]

They are some of the most buggy content released that haven't gotten any love or fixing since release and the dungeon content takes the longest yo farm for a dungeon an average of 6 ish mins for 1 bit to much imo

[paper plinth]

Your poll missed the point. If people voted yes.....a lot like the mechanic but would like a few tweaks, the most common request was

• Pop up only happens 1x with 1-3 enemies

[scenic shuttle]

also if they voted yes then how can they vote no?

[shell wedge]

Yeah, the third option doesn’t really make sense

[wraith horizon]

I'm talking about current state, without talking "how else could it be".
Suits you best from 2 points

[wraith horizon]

That's little confusing, yea. Sorry

[paper plinth]

Again you missed the point.....it should be if you voted yes.....

*I like it as is
*I would like to keep it but tweak it

• I don't like it but I'd rather not lose the extra mats

[wraith horizon]

No. Odie created poll about the very idea of mechanics, as far as I understand.
Do you liked it, or not.
I asking about current state - do u like mechanics or profits more

[paper plinth]

Dude we get it you don't like it but your poll really doesn't clarify anything other than you wanting to know why more people didn't vote no

[wraith horizon]

Yes, I wanting to know it. So?

[main wave]

gotta be quick bois.

[paper plinth]

Where is howdy.....fake poll

[reef crypt]

Where is ur poll, dude?

[main wave]

Howdy you doo...

[paper plinth]

I'm flattered but I have a wife

[scenic shuttle]

please dont troll in this chat it make things that need to be seen easier to skip over

[paper plinth]

On to a real question.....how can I auto drop these 1019 + adornment for the random colored eyes.

[main wave]

39 mins left.

[vernal pecan]

Is there anyone not trolling?

[main wave]

all of you guys except for me ig,

ai fizz's words

[paper plinth]

Does trolling a troll count as trolling or is it just called having a conversation

[vernal pecan]

It's counter trolling

[scenic shuttle]

plenty specifically the ones who want to see the extra enemies flow much better rather than slow and wonky

[reef crypt]

If my opinion above is perceived as trolling, it is very sad and Idk what else to say

[main wave]

"fun police is here, lets pack it up"

[scenic shuttle]

have fun in general not here tho keep this on track and productive

[paper plinth]

You must have missed the 20 photos of salmon Odie added to the cursed thread, fun is allowed....in strict moderation

[scenic shuttle]

theres a difference between salmon and random polls and images being added

[paper plinth]

is there.... random shit is random shit....

[scenic shuttle]

salmon was on topic for cursed queens

random shit is not on topic for beastfelled

[main wave]

unless a mod in this dc is telling people they are stepping out of line, then we stop.

[pastel forge]

As a wise man once said: “don’t try to moderate people if you’re not a mod”

[main wave]

is this same as "A cornered animal will still kill"

or nah?

[scenic shuttle]

and i replied with asking him not to troll here as it can make the things needed to be seen get missed or skipped over

theres a difference between moderating and asking someone not to troll because it makes things easy to miss or skip over

[main wave]

now because of our "No trolling" conversation, we are mindlessly covering more.

[pastel forge]

The whole conversation that was generated from that requeste created a lot more entropy in the thread than a one-off poll everyone laughed at and ignored though

[scenic shuttle]

but it was 1 person who continued to spam things that again make things easy to miss or skip over

[main wave]

12mins left btw.

[ebon hemlock]

The most important thing these conversations are blocking is the significance of Ravage needing to be buffed

[pastel forge]

Now this is the topic we need to get back on!

[scenic shuttle]

notice how the conversation coulda been dropped after my comment or even one rebuttle but is dragged out because people dont know how to just accept that im trying to make sure that the stuff said gets read and seen not trying to moderate as this is an event i actually care about

[main wave]

notice how you still respond. haha

[pastel forge]

It could also have been dropped by you at any point though 😅 And this is the last I’ll type on the subject, I won’t contribute further to the endless cycle

Now let’s make ravage great

[ebon hemlock]

Peak ragebait, I love it. But #BuffRavage

[main wave]

Lo siento.

Thing that makes me happy:

• Buff Ravage
• More conversations about bestfelled stuff.

[main wave]

thanks poll bot.

[harsh sonnet]

To the NF guys, I don’t think the event crafting tab works on iOS. Should be under the rewards right? Nothing is there.

[pine karma]

You're on v3.20.5, yes?

[pastel forge]

Don’t believe the update for iOS has been released yet

We’re still on v3.20.1

[harsh sonnet]

Gotcha nvm then

[rugged knot]

The smell of blood attracts beasts (i cope)

[pine karma]

that it do 😂

[shell knoll]

I truly dont know how many players experience this, so maybe it's more significant than it seems...or maybe there's a loud minority.

Whenever I had a bad connection, I just didn't play the game until I was in an area with a good one. Including the times it was violating safety guidelines to use a phone while working.

Everyone has a different situation, I'm not a developer so I don't know how much effort Odie wants to put into catering to players with bad connections.

Regardless of that, saving a couple seconds for additional enemies to spawn at once is something ive already stated to be a good idea, literally in the post you originally replied to.

[stiff bloom]

Must be a very strong smell to enabled them to teleport right into us 😹

[paper plinth]

I would say it's one thing when the server goes down/is slow, but in general it would be bad policy to cater entire events on the minority of people with connection issues. When I visit my MIL I just don't play cause she has satellite Internet and no cell phone reception. I don't request events change due to me

[scenic shuttle]

my response was for everything you said and why theres an issue with it

[shell knoll]

Thats obvious, yea

Tldr bad connections shouldn't be catered to/dont play whrn theres a bad connection

[ebon hemlock]

I think the part you guys are forgetting is that this isn't a problem of "Oh, there's no issues while I'm playing at home but there's an issue when I'm playing somewhere else so I'll just not play while at said location" but rather the latency and lag just being generally higher for certain entire regions. It's not reasonable to expect people to not be able to play till they change cities, states or countries just for Orna

[scenic shuttle]

this isnt catering to that its making it run smoother for everyone

[ebon hemlock]

And the main fix isn't even trying to remove extra waves, it's just trying to reduce the number of opportunities where lag/connectivity is an issue. Having the second wave of enemies come all at once would reduce the potential number of lag points from a maximum of 4 times per floor all the way down to a maximum of 2 and that alone will go a long way making the experience smoother

[shell knoll]

Isn't that exactly why I stated having additional enemies come in packs and not 1 by 1? (3rd time now)

I know exactly what it's like to play on a bad connection, I've done it.

[reef crypt]

It's funny to see how, while supposedly on opposite sides of the barricade, we're actually suggesting the same solutions

[shell knoll]

I suggested that in my first comment about the bad connection and it seems that part was never actually read

Focused on me stating bad connections shouldn't be catered to but completely ignored the suggestion that they themselves also suggested

[ebon hemlock]

I've been suggesting this from the moment this change was implemented, idk why you even think I'm replying to you when I'm obviously replying to TRex

😂

[shell knoll]

I dont know why you think im replying to you at all

Was replying to this and you just happened to post a comment 1 second before I commented lmao

[ebon hemlock]

you just said "I suggested the same thing in my comment", my bad then

[shell knoll]

You 2 were talking about the same thing

In fact, all 3 of us are suggesting the same thing

And everyone else, it seems 🤔

[paper plinth]

I stand by my statement. Catering events to people, weather it be a region, city, or individual person is bad development policy.

That doesn't mean don't fix latency or server issues.

[shell knoll]

There's a lot more to be said, like personal examples of giving up on games due to bad ping, but this is getting off topic I think

Main thing is additional enemies spawning in 1 wave only and not potentially 3-4 times on 1 floor

[ebon hemlock]

It's not really completely changing how the event functions just to accommodate them, it's just optimising the way it is functioning. Don't think that's really asking for too much

[soft jolt]

Correct me if I am wrong as I was on break last Riftfall run, but don't the Darkrift dungeons work in partly the same way?

[paper plinth]

Again I'm not against the adds all spawning at once

[pastel forge]

They do

[cursive tundra]

They did spawn as they currently spawn. People were probably more patient with those since they were not (at least as far as i remember) dungeons you could infinitely queue. Its one thing running 50 "laggy" dungeons in a month and a whole different thing doing 20-30 of these daily

[lean mulch]

"Game devs should punish players for playing their games so only the most masochistic gamers can thrive."

[lean mulch]

I use AoE and then my summons use AoE so maybe the pacing doesn't feel so slow for me, even with invaders.

[fleet light]

And it works

[pastel forge]

The keys were fairly easy to stack iirc. I can’t talk to an exact amount, but I ran a lot of them pretty consistently

[warped agate]

Half half. In the same regards i would'nt go play a running VR game if i am sitting in a wheel chair, i would not play a GPS game if i cannot leave my house for whatever reasons - we have HoA for that.

But also, you should listen to feedback and adapt - just not cather to the people who are just not suitable for your game

[warped agate]

My statement also applies to this x3

[paper plinth]

I just don't want to see the pop up mechanic go because of some people lagging. If it's not popular that's fine. Go ahead and tweak it.

A game not running well in your region is a server issue, not a design issue.

[paper plinth]

Not what I said at all but ok

Liking pop up adds doesn't make me masochistic, nor are they punishing anyone.

[hushed crater]

Is there any real benefit to running these dungeons on hard mode? Seems like a net loss of keys.

[main wave]

bragging rights

[soft jolt]

Oddly enough, I don't have any lag on the pop ups. I often get lag on button presses or between floors but the pop ups themselves are usually super speedy.

[pastel forge]

Same thing for me

[soft jolt]

There is an odd bug I get sometimes where the dungeon just stops responding to button presses sometimes after a pop up. Almost like I've lost connection. I thought at first it was a variant of the CD bug but it's definitely different. I have to flee the dungeon and restart it for it to resolve

[paper plinth]

Hard mode is entirely for the EoD rewards, if it's not key positive it's not worth doing.

Hard towers would be the exception as they do 100% x4 drop rate on the final event boss, but there is nothing like that for dungeons

[pastel forge]

I get that as well but it fixes itself if I click the newly spawned monster. I think it’s a variant of the CD bug, I was also getting it when dark rift released

[soft jolt]

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that

[tame rose]

Woah, really? Hard dragon towers would drop 4 of each gear? Are they all superior+ as well?

[main wave]

nope

still random qualities

It's just more rolls

[soft jolt]

Definitely worth it for me as much as I hate strongly dislike doing the tower part of it, more rolls in less runs

[stable delta]

Was super nice on olli towers where u get way too many tower keys

[paper plinth]

Even for dragon towers it was worth it , I could farm more keys a day then I could find towers

[scenic shuttle]

To me this fells like you're saying don't cater to your player base because then you never get to implement anything you actually want to. At the end of the day Odie will look at it and decide if it needs fixed or if he needs to remove it it is a better thing for the dev team to listen to the players not a small minority but the entire player base and decide if the content needs fixed to keep the player base going

[paper plinth]

The content works fine in my region. To the point that the adds spawn and die to ae before I even see them. The issue with some regions lagging has nothing to do with the content and shouldn't be the reason used to get rid of it

If the content is unpopular or doesn't work for everyone that's completely different than not liking content that is made worse than normal due to regional lag

Regional lag should be addressed but it should not be used as the reason to limit new content

[unborn dune]

Farm to like lv 123 in allegiance or 130-152 if you bought all 3 gf tools and seeds ect. Then go to monuments type "eye" in the forfeit bar, then hit select all. And repeat this process for however many pages you have of them.

Thats how you auto drop them. Otherwise put on autodrop in dismantle menue and cry when you on eod screen drop a DF BoG

[paper plinth]

I just want auto drop to include adornment:-(

[upper ibex]

This is an optometrist's nightmare or dream come true

[paper plinth]

Nothing affects EOD rewards

You will have 2000 balin fist and you will like it

[reef crypt]

Alright, here's a take that gets straight to the point:

I don't like that sometimes, instead of one floor, I'm forced to do about five, while killing one mob at a time over and over again. And let’s not forget - there are still no more than 6 mobs per such "floor". Either way, it slows the run down, and instead of 15 floors, it sometimes ends up being way, way more.

I think it would be fairer to keep the DR mechanics unique to DR dungeons, since it fits the theme there. Here, IMO, we either need an alternative or a straight-up increase in the number of actual floors.

I honestly don’t get people who find it fun to kill one mob at a time, over and over and over again.

Yeah, those folks having fun are probably gonna throw some shade my way now, but these are my thoughts, and in this context, I can't not say them

[soft jolt]

Everyone is always entitled to their thoughts 🙂

[paper plinth]

Few things.

5 is the limit. 6 is only for summons

And no one is against all the adds spawning at once

[reef crypt]

And it's fine if one big wave is followed by another - two waves total. I mentioned that above. But not one... after another... after another... after another

[reef crypt]

Five at once. Six total. I've never gotten more than 6 experience per "floor," which makes me think six is the max possible

[soft jolt]

Personally, I like the unpredictable nature of it simply for the fact it makes you wait and see before you go spamming a button location. It's a nice mix up. I am not deeply invested in it either way though. I can definitely see why some would find it annoying.

It makes me chuckle everytime I open my potions menu because I am getting ahead of myself

[paper plinth]

Ways to annoy players 101:

• Dungeon is 1 floor but has 15 waves of pop ups
• Dungeon has pop ups but they only trigger if it takes more than 1 turn to clear
• Dungeon is an endless wave of pop ups but stops after you get 10 fur

[paper plinth]

O the irony. So if 6 is the max of horde + pop up, then "having them all spawn at once" means that for the majority of peoplw running horde gear....they would continue getting just a 6th add

[reef crypt]

With a 2-piece rua set, it could be 5 > 1, or 2 > 1 > 1 > 1 > 1.
Therefore, two waves are still better than the current situation in terms of clear speed IMO

[paper plinth]

I just mean for people complained about "single adds" is that it's still possible to get single adds even if they all spawn at once

[reef crypt]

But at least there won't be a chance of getting the 2 > 1 > 1 > 1 > 1 pattern

[paper plinth]

True. I'm not against them all spawning at once. It just means 90% of the time it will just be 1-2 anyways

[reef crypt]

That's not as much of a problem, IMO. At least it's a compromise and a clear improvement over the current situation with the chance of drawn-out fights

[hollow reef]

I can see people getting a bit irritated when 1 extra trickles in repeatedly. I found it hard to not be amused though, it reminded me of cartoons from ages ago where the filler villains ran into the hero like lemmings. Always gets a grin from me.

[paper plinth]

I mean your shaving ~10 seconds of a 1 min 30 second run. It's a fine compromise sure. I just personally don't care if it's left as is as I don't see the current system as bad. I'm limited by the number of dungeons I can access an hour. If I clear all 10 in 10 minutes vs 12 minutes I'm still locked out for another hour

[reef crypt]

At that time, you can do something else. I don't see anything wrong with farming for less time and switching to other activities in between. If I understand what you're talking about, I don't see much point in artificially extending gameplay time just to avoid feeling like time was wasted. In the end, you're the one in charge of your own time. Find something to do between farming. I don't have a problem with that, just like you don't have a problem with what you're trying to say

[sour zephyr]

If Lyncus' Bristle weren't so irreplacable as a crit adorn,
and a legendary drop on its raid,
I would be less annoyed with stuff like the 2 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 -> 1 pattern.
I agree that in isolation that pattern is quite comical.

[main wave]

you can use Ashen Pinions for crit.

alternative

[sour zephyr]

Lyncus' Bristle is a whole lot better in general

esp. for mages

Also, I have a pretty low quantity of both

at the moment

[proven peak]

@viscid rain trying to report a bug with the crafting UI improvements, only Samson is having problems. Bug is that "if you have zero of something needed, that is not enough, and should be in red". On day 1 I thought I only needed kerb.fur to craft a dungeon key (had 1, needed 2, displayed red.) But now I see that I was short of monoceros horn too. It was shown in white with no numbers - which I interpreted as having enough, not having none).

[sour zephyr]

so I have to remove and re-adorn stuff right now if I want to swap builds

I should be pretty set after a bunch of grinding for this event

[main wave]

you can always have azure pinions to balance out the ashen pins

[sour zephyr]

but for now I have to swap stuff around a bunch to change things

[main wave]

it is what it is

[sour zephyr]

I also do not have a surplus of azure pinions

[sour zephyr]

yep

[slender helm]

Even with the backup mechanic, the dungeon is already a huge improvement compared to past iterations.

This is easy mode compared to running beast dens

[sour zephyr]

I will say it does seem to also be good for melancholy grinding some.
Since none of the enemies are actually T10, I can clear it at much higher melancholy than usual farily smoothly

and since they're event monsters they still drop proofs

[main wave]

atleast bristles dont reduce magic for you guys

[upper ibex]

this, big time

we've already taken a huge stride in the right direction with this QoL improvement

[main wave]

I mean it's already at the best state:

• Removed "trash mobs" and replaced with event mobs.
• Added more floors, huge W.

what else could we ask for

[upper ibex]

dont get me wrong, i liked having to run monuments / towers to supplement my mats, and it made the scrolls that much more valuable to me when i did craft them. But this new dungeon has turned it into ez mode as far as im concerned

[main wave]

nothing

[sour zephyr]

I will say I do think this event-dungeon pattern is kinda interesting.

It's kind of an in-between for making GPS part mandatory,
and making stuff accessible.

To get started you have to visit/find specific thing (in this case Beast Den)
but after you can get in its self-sustaining.

Same thing for the cursed queens dungeon

[upper ibex]

it makes it a lot more obtainable to the people that can't travel / utilize way vessels as much too

[sour zephyr]

I had to go monument hunting to find the initial key(s)

after that, self-sustaning

hybrid GPS->non-so-GPS content basically

[upper ibex]

now the entire world is your oyster

[patent inlet]

known limitation when you don't have any - the game can't know if the item is just not a stackable or whether it's a stackable but at 0

as an aside, i don't think our community manager needs to be pinged about bugs

[sour zephyr]

seems like a good comprimise

[reef crypt]

I'm not trying to say everything is completely awful. Please, read carefully

[proven peak]

Sorry, saw them active in here, although discord was being weird and showing yesterday's messages. So that's the same issue as with fish in the herbalist?

[patent inlet]

yuppers

i'll find something to make it nicer some day

[proven peak]

Most non stackables are gear of non standard quality, and don't appear in any crafting. So if you dump weights on fish and make them stackable, isn't the problem gone?

[reef crypt]

Also, please pay attention to this

[proven peak]

(an annual fishing contest does not justify fish being non stackable IMO)

[pine karma]

The Fish-Coral exchange rate in the Fishing Hut does use the Fish Weight as part of its calculation

[patent inlet]

weights are to determine coral rewards

[rugged knot]

Can kerb raid drops appear in monumental guild? I got zero items 🤔

[upper ibex]

should be able to, they're not super raids

i think?

[slender helm]

They can, the game just hates you

[rugged knot]

Then im gonna hwait

[halcyon oracle]

I have a channel in telegram with abt 600 subscribers. I translate into russian and describe Orna events (giving hints etc) there.
Because, yes, I love💚 the game and I want more people to enjoy it here in Russia.

Thanks, guys, for the great job you're doing🫰 love and appreciate that. New events are super, new dungeons and tower modes are fun.

We want you to know and hear our opinion as well.
We're not minority as it seems from afar. Many of us either don't have VPN to visit discord or don't speak English or both.
It really gets hard to play for us due to blocks everywhere here. But we find ways, as well as we find ways to buy the paid content (thanks to iphones and their owners it's still possible here, Odie bless them)

So, here are the results of our community voting after 8 hours. From russia with love and peace❤️

[patent inlet]

yup, to summarize where everyone seems to be at:

1. more folk generally prefer the mechanic than not having it
2. majority on both sides feel it would be better with one wave of N opposed to multiple waves of 1

so, one wave if the clear winner from all discussions. stay tuned

[ebon hemlock]

I'm staying tuned for Ravage buff 🥸

[upper ibex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tommy-boy-24

[main wave]

ask them about ravage.

[magic tiger]

feral claws buff when

[rugged knot]

"Stay tuned"
Suddenly every mob is now zerk realmshifter

[patent inlet]

how did you get access to my computer

[paper plinth]

Trust us....we just know...

[rugged knot]

The answer is always ducks

[unborn dune]

Im proud to announce it literally happened instantaneously lmao

Literally mid dungeons run

Went from one at a time to proper waves

[upper ibex]

it's amazing, big big fan of the new set up

its funny to watch mimic snipe a random mob and then two more slide in (instead of 3) but im a huge fan of the new system, thanks!

[paper plinth]

Rawr he's back

I'm laughing so hard at the final boss floor

The 1 extra add that pops in after seeing his big boss get 1 shotted

[upper ibex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/whatsgoingonhere-kimkardashian

[paper plinth]

That poor guy deserves a raise...that's dedication

[digital jacinth]

We don’t deserve Odie. I’m not used to having a dev that actively listens, cares, and implements.

[magic tiger]

[unborn dune]

If this was d2 it would be like "wev heard that the dungeon is broken functionality. Were gonna leave it that way and work on it eventually. As far as titans having a broken ability thats game warping well be nerfing another unrelated class immediately"

[lime moon]

-# "And so we decided to remove one of planets too"

[unborn dune]

(ToT)

Tears in my eyes dont remind me.

[low knoll]

does >100% horde bonus actually make a difference? I don't seem to notice any improvement when pairing 3 ruairc pieces with my 5x salmon adorned celestial, vs just running the celestial itself.

[lime moon]

#1467927795882524906 message

[harsh sonnet]

Odie confirmed that 100% is cap and going over does nothing.

[low knoll]

Thankyou. I wish stuff like that was mentioned in game.

[blazing musk]

Yeah boyyyyyyyyy third lyncus in

[cursive tundra]

Less than 2 days in the new event mechanics and all seems to be working great already. Thanks for the quick and effective fixxes 🙂

[scenic shuttle]

Kinda difficult to mention % caps in game without a ton of clutter but I get your thought process

[low knoll]

A codex page for buffs would be a good way of doing it.

[digital jacinth]

And updating the debuffs page while they’re at it.

[paper plinth]

I had made a suggestion post about how all these little Odie quotes need to be added to the FAQ

[scenic shuttle]

That's a wonderful idea make a suggestion in the #💡│suggestions section it would help with transparency there are a few things that I personally think should be something the player base has to find but for things with hard caps or strange interactions they should be public knowledge. Maybe Odie gives the player base up to 30 days after the new event gear finishes dropping (like it's released it drops for the duration of the event then 30 days after) to figure it out if the player base hasn't figured it out or once they have its added to something that gives transparency for newer players or to remind players when they're build crafting

[gray gazelle]

Odie need a raise, ☕

[earnest nymph]

buy some runeshop items then

[unborn dune]

XD the odie "oh god" makes me laugh because my dyslexia always sees it as odie saying "on god"

[lean mulch]

"yeah, a 100% chance to sometimes happen~" trollface

[unborn dune]

Thats better than 25% chance to proc when 100% of your hp is lost

[lean mulch]

Math is fake, things either happen or they don't

[scenic shuttle]

Technically common sense says luck should scale to 100% but it caps at 400% I think so shouldn't that mean it can drop 4 times kekw jokes aside I do think transparency in game is welcomed and nessessary for some stuff but Odie can make a game with it for the discord server then update the codes to actually show what it does after a bit or the discord community has figured it out

[lean mulch]

As far as I have known from only playing a few years "we" always have been fighting with him over showing stuff like hidden stats and numbers, lol.

[ebon hemlock]

All other feedback has been heard, only Ravage Buff remains

[reef crypt]

Alright, so I didn’t write this right away, but I’m writing it now.

Thank you so much for noticing the issue and fixing it so quickly. It really makes me happy that our initiative didn’t go unnoticed and that others joined in - thank you all so much as well. I’m seeing positive feedback from players, and it truly warms my heart.

From what I understand, the mechanics are only changing for the BF event - and honestly, I don’t mind that. It makes both BF dungeons and DR dungeons feel unique, even though they share the same underlying mechanic. Of course, regionally during DR events, we’ll still experience some discomfort, but subjectively speaking, this feels like how it should be.

We’re getting some feedback that mobs sometimes aren’t arriving in a single wave (with all coming at once in the second wave), but occasionally in two - effectively making it three waves in total. I guess this might be because you simply sped up their spawn rate, regardless of whether a mob is killed or not. I won’t judge this solution, since I trust you know best how to handle things from a technical standpoint.

Thank you for continuously making the game better! I truly appreciate that you listen to players. I used to only watch this kind of interaction from the outside, so it’s really nice to have been part of it this time.

Off-topic - sorry for the text-heavy style. I know native speakers don’t usually write like this, and it’s a pretty clear giveaway that I’m Russian… mostly because, well, it’s just how we write. I hope it doesn’t make reading too uncomfortable.

Still love y’all.

[unborn dune]

Not attall, this is how I generally write. But when I dont I write enough sentences that it appears this way regardless. XD

[noble flame]

Seconding all the kudos here for being receptive to feedback and making improvements! The new and improved event dungeon is 🔥 🔥

It also feels great to open the event and find that all the spare items I accumulated from farming this event over the years allow me to jump into new content feet first.

Buff ravage!

All hail turned king Moosus!

[reef crypt]

I've just heard there's this thing about us - that we write long sentences, and it's a dead giveaway. I'm not entirely sure if it actually causes any discomfort, but just in case, sorry if it does

[unborn dune]

Its ok if it causes discomfort because you arnt being rude, and there are no rules agenst larger correspondence. So if anyone is uncomfortable with long sentences they can just keep scrolling.

[simple stag]

If that’s true then I must secretly be Russian. I am a very wordy person 😂

I would’ve had no idea if you hadn’t said it. All good! Not all of us are Earnest Hemingways (known for constantly writing as few words as possible)

[scenic shuttle]

I think the way Odie made it is clear wave one and wave 2 spawns so 2nd chancers in wave 1 will force extra turn before spawning wave 2 so now it actually feels like 30 floors kinda just with half the continue floors

[reef crypt]

Maybe I didn't phrase it quite right. I think I understand what you mean. What I'm trying to say is—sometimes the second wave splits into two: a second and a third. I'm attaching a video that shows on one of the floors how there were three mobs first, then very quickly a fourth appeared (which was killed by a pet), and then two more mobs showed up

Got a message saying it's a visual bug and everything's fine. My apologies!

[lime moon]

Thats just visuals. Follower just oneshot an enemy who was part of 2nd wave.

[scenic shuttle]

oh thats because of the flow i think 3 enemies spawn in your pet just has to act faster than you get turn

[reef crypt]

Yes, got it now. Thanks for listening and pointing it out to me too

[pastel forge]

Another suggestion I’d make is making it “melee only” instead of “thief only”. Gilga could use a multi hit non crit skill to break away from CS spam

[ebon hemlock]

Yes, buff feral claws

[main wave]

just ask for an upward strike buff

Melee/Physical gotta stay together, we are all we've got.

[ebon hemlock]

Buff Arisen Feral Claws and make it melee as well as buff upward strike

[main wave]

Feral Claws get Multi-strike damage while Labrys gets Collat

[prime sparrow]

Neither of those would help

[paper plinth]

I would add that the skills should be made class specific similar to dark rift gear, otherwise beo and diety just gonna get stronger too

and i say that as a beo

[prime sparrow]

My suggestion of letting Ravage hit a minimum of two targets doesn't really make Beo or Deity stronger

Heck, I don't even think it makes RS stronger 😅

[paper plinth]

true but beo already has options, so if they want to make the skill stronger, but lock it to 1 class, i think you might get more bang for the buck :-p

[prime sparrow]

I'm morally opposed to just asking for new BIS buffs except for the time I got Dragon-Tail Sweep added

[main wave]

either way just buff it on how you want it. If you says it's good or bad, it's the same for me.

[paper plinth]

I just mean its a theif weapon, what if for RS it hits 3+ and has no debuff on you, but for other jobs it just hits 1+

[soft jolt]

Still ghettoing it with Swansong here.

[warped agate]

Never apologize for writing enough - lazy peeps tend to say its too much cause they dont wanna match the effort, but if you care, you care. Please never let people tell that your passion is'nt worth it. ❤️

[warped agate]

Whats the Moosus insider?

[warped agate]

Since BL2 exists and Ravage is meele, making it at least a tiny but more reasonable does'nt sound bad. Would love to see a non crit that is viable, especially meele

[sturdy spire]

#1467927795882524906 message

[soft jolt]

The Moosus is loosus

[warped agate]

Rift abomination 2.0 when

[red cypress]

BeoH does. Auriga does not have much options that actually work

[paper plinth]

true but ravage wont help them anyways

[red cypress]

Ravage is crit skill?

[paper plinth]

beoa needs gear with + chance for pet to act 2nd time ...boost that second attack rate ....or you know, the bestial bond patch to go live but thats not what this channel is about

[red cypress]

BeoA does not need second act gear imo

It needs calls rework

And beastial bond buff/rework

[warped agate]

Beo a priest and a hug

[covert gorge]

nop

and honestly doesn't need to, it's already decent damage

[harsh sonnet]

Is it intentional for the "extra wave" to spawn before my follower moves? Right now it is like this:

I kill everything > 2nd wave spawns > follower moves > kills 2nd wave

Making the two waves only one turn essentially.

[main wave]

BeoA?

[hot sequoia]

Any shot that the upward strike off hand skill can hit first then take a turn of defensive charge up? I think that could make it more useful/better use case while still holding the theme of the skill together

[patent inlet]

we'd have to build out support for ability cooldown turns first (the game only currently supports warmup turns). likely not something we'd prioritize atm

[paper plinth]

thats how it works for me as a beoh , mimic is out here blasting them up before they even load... all danny davito style

[slender helm]

This is a feature and I like it. Very fun seeing pheonix blast an enemy before I can see it

[prime sparrow]

Unfortunately I don't have a suggestion for Ravage that doesn't involve some (slight?) game infrastructure changes outside of making it full AoE.

And I know you don't want that, and I also don't want that.

[harsh sonnet]

beoH as well, same case with Hara

[warped agate]

Im not a programmer, this is an uneducated guess; but would'nt a "X is recovering..." after the skill do the same? Surely, if you oneshot everything it won't do anything, but if not, it could have devestating consequences.

Unrelated, but related to beastfelled: The flavor text when all enemys from the shadows spawn now could change. My ide: "The hunt/felled/beasts arose from the shadows, called upon thee!"

[hot sequoia]

Thanks for the update Odie! Happy to hear one day Upward strike is tempting. Just not today

[warped agate]

A lotta 2H abilities are'nt perfect, but fun. I think for low anguish, that's fine. Tho for high anguish, where the damage matters, if you dont oneshot reliably, at least you need a reliable way to kill. Those abilities might shine - for now, making ravage really good is my personal priority, i think it will be extremely fun to do so ^~^

[patent inlet]

yes, that'd be how it would present itself to the player.

however, the presentation is no indication of how much work would go into supporting the functionality, so i'm not sure where we're going with this

[paper plinth]

well patch notes!

Its a start

Now just make it so ravage turns you into a cat....(or dog) for reasons....

[harsh sonnet]

did the last patch notes really happen or am I dreaming?

[paper plinth]

i mean i see it in game

so clearly we share a dream

[prime sparrow]

There's a secret thing that isn't in the patch notes too

[paper plinth]

a new ability you say

well i b, m r grapes

[prime sparrow]

I can't complain about the changes Odie made since they're great, but regarding Ravage the skill is still not really usable because of that chance to only hit a single target 😅

[paper plinth]

its a dance, 2 steps forward, 1 step side ways ...it also grants t atk + now too

[ebon hemlock]

Ravage?

[paper plinth]

ya, its going through some growing pains, but it will get there

no longer has self dots, accidently lost its AE, but gained t atk +, im sure its a bug odie will fix rather quick

[ebon hemlock]

AE?

[paper plinth]

it no longer hits multiple targets

[ebon hemlock]

Ahh, that's definitely a bug. I have my 195% demonforged and ready to go though 🥸

[random zephyr]

That's huge 🙏

[sturdy spire]

I also thought: sharpen 3? is there sharpen 2?... and just bought it at the arcanist 😁

[blazing musk]

Awwww yesssss melee buffs odie I love you!!!

[random zephyr]

FINALLY LYNCUS GEAR IS GOOD!

This small change has made me very happy, on top of all the other changes, thank you odie

[sturdy spire]

Situation: Mages mostly stronger than melee classes. Option 1: Nerfing mage based classes (bl2 etc). All mages angry. Option 2: Buffing all melee classes. Everybody happy. Well played 😄

[rugged knot]

HWAIT

What does sharpen 3 do?

[ripe rapids]

t. att III

[ebon hemlock]

Give T.Att+++

[pine karma]

https://playorna.com/codex/spells/sharpen-iii/

[ebon hemlock]

And arcanists now have sharpen 2 that gives t.att++

[rugged knot]

I beg your pardon

[rugged knot]

DAAAMN

Melee BACK

[warped agate]

moosus is real

[prime sparrow]

Lets not give up on our melee lobbying yet, for Ravage still needs help

[warped agate]

I will never give up on ravage. ALL POWER TO THE GILGAS

[rugged knot]

🗣️ Give upward strike 3 to lynx labrys. Same as us2, but no windup

[warped agate]

also put BL3 on aglovale

[ebon hemlock]

#MoreRavageBuffs

I think just removing crit chance from the feral claws and giving it more attack can also help

Though the minimum 2 targets will be a lot more preferable

[warped agate]

i think both are adequate. It is still underperforming in regards to Yelm & Gandring. Difference is, on high anguish you can skill all the crit maluses and therefore skip a lot of bad things like AoE damage. Yet still PEN. So... i think there is room for improvement.
Multiple anguish paths to swap between when...

[pastel forge]

#Makeravagemeleeagain

[slender helm]

I put it as a suggestion but it's really feedback so I'll put it here too since it overlaps with the event: Make the autocomplete for inn quests toggleable. Mat farming through world spawns using a monster quest and seekers candle is an end game farming strategy and the auto complete basically kills this method.

[stable delta]

Is that a recent change :o

Been looking for an adamant knight quest but rip if its pointless now

[pine karma]

it only auto-completes when you open the Quests page

a small price to pay for the single most requested questing improvement for as long as I can remember

[slender helm]

It really is a niche situation but still, it'd be nice to not have to avoid opening the quest menu

I do very much appreciate being able to abandon inn quests now from the menu

[pastel forge]

Does it not work for the town hall, or does it require an update I don’t yet have?

[slender helm]

It does. You might need to manually update

[pastel forge]

What version are you on? Might just be the usual iOS delay for me

[pine karma]

definitely just the usual iOS delay

v3.20.8

[soft jolt]

Hot Diggety, I might actually take more Inn quests then. As it is now I only bother with the ones I can insta complete cause I'll nevr remember to go back 😄

[paper plinth]

While not directly beastfelled related....can we talk about the adornment spam this event has....JFC..... 20 dungeons is like 600 eyes to forfeit.

I would like EITHER:

Option to auto drop adornmens based on quality
Remove the % variation on adornments so they stack

[hot sequoia]

Idk how a player can get to AL 50+ without auto drop

[slender helm]

It doesn't work on adornments, just gear and accessories

[paper plinth]

Trust me, ive had auto drop on since t9....jewels of the deep, immortal, and eyes--- just handed over 600 eyes to the monument guild (since NQ stacks it only counts as 1, so probably closer to 1000+)

[pine karma]

Removing Quality% from adornments is just not it for me chief. If adding adornments to auto-drop isn't possible, I'd rather nothing done.

[paper plinth]

And that's a fair opinion, I just don't think most adornment vary very much as is, green/blue eyes at ornate vary from 41 to 48hp. I don't think it's worth preserving that variation at the expense of inventory management

and im sure there are adornments that would benefit from preserving their variation but as is the adornment menu is the most cluttered menu hands down

[unborn dune]

Im just praying for DF adorns one day

[unkempt igloo]

ornates could still roll granularly, they are rare enough. All green adorns though should be identical and stackable (same for poor, broken, famed, legendary)

[pine karma]

Won't happen unless Odie changes something. Adornments cannot roll Master/Demon

[upper ibex]

Godforged ashen pinion come home

[mossy tulip]

Yikes. Melee gonna be as good as mages in everything else right? Guess we need to make mage classes good at PvP too since apparently classes can’t have downsides.

[sour zephyr]

Melee still doesn't have a damage type that is un-resist/immune-able 🤨

BL2 is still nuts

in terms of applicability

[mossy tulip]

Yeah. I know. But only that.

[sour zephyr]

Ultima is also higher penetraion than anything melee can do?

[mossy tulip]

We still have serious PvP issues. I’m talking about mage classes, including GS

[sour zephyr]

I don't know much about PvP so I'm not gonna talk about that

[mossy tulip]

Right. The ol’ Ultima. So good that no one uses it…

[prime sparrow]

Celestial Arrow is higher penetration than Ultima

And imo is still under-used for how good it is

[mossy tulip]

It’s cause it’s not really that good

When rend is around, and ward numbers that high, and the loss of all defenses to access a hard hitting Arrow, and now Ursa Strikes…

In reality, mage classes are still underwhelming in PvP. My issue with it is once gilga can do hordes well, what won’t they be able to do?

[prime sparrow]

You can complain about Rend if you want, even though you typically survive it and thoroughly F me up with Magic Chakram. But I know Realmshifter isn't what you're complaining about 😅

Gilga is still a sleeper for how good it is

[mossy tulip]

Exactly. lol. You know where I’m going with this.

I’m not lying.

[unborn dune]

Ultima has more pen then ultimastrikes?

[mossy tulip]

I do understand it’s hard to balance. But I see some classes keep getting more and more stuff, meanwhile, others are here accepting trade offs…like realms, GS and heretics…

[prime sparrow]

Yes

[unborn dune]

Well iv come to realize Diety doesn't really need any nerfs and im not rage baiting.

And this is coming from a summoner main.

[mossy tulip]

Bro. Ultima doesn’t work in PvP. When was the last time you got hit with it? It’s trash.

I have been saying it needs to have the elemental resistance amities severely nerfed. I do think that would actually fix all of Heretics and GS PvP issues, simply because of the amount of choices it gives

[unborn dune]

Really thats weird it should be the same they are both ultima

[prime sparrow]

Fwiw, the Sharpen II/ Sharpen III additions do benefit both Realmshifter and Grand Summoner as well

[prime sparrow]

Ultimastrikes has two strikes - it's in the name. So lower penetration

[frail crow]

How use sharpen 3 on gs? No pet i thought

[unborn dune]

There should be an ultima strike

[prime sparrow]

It adds the ability to summons as well, not just followers 🙂

[frail crow]

Holy

[mossy tulip]

Still. This is not the right place for this convo to extend…but I did want to mention it. The class that needs ravage is realm, not gilga. Gilgas, beos and deities don’t need anything else

[unborn dune]

There shouldent be a a single strikes skill that dosent have a Strike doengrade

[ebon hemlock]

It is also single turn unlike great meditation so it's actually better for summons

[frail crow]

Nerf incoming

[ebon hemlock]

Aaru robe nerf

[prime sparrow]

No, that's how all of the items that add spells to followers work. They also add it to summons

[ebon hemlock]

Ravage buff

[sour zephyr]

according to Ornapedia at least

the M1 on Ultima is 4
the M1 on Ultima II is 6
the M1 on Ultimastrikes is 3

[unborn dune]

Penguin is about to out dps the FUCK out of mammoth

[mossy tulip]

It was nerfed for PvP, for 1. I’m not sure about those numbers. And yeah, how you like 2 turn moves? lol

[unborn dune]

Sharpen + DC
DC still has a lengthy windup but its going to hit mils by itself and thats if you arnt passing it tethra dragon

March of the penguin meta incoming

[ebon hemlock]

I've seen a bloodray flask pvp build hitting for 300k+ with 0 als against someone with 200 als so I don't think pvp offense is something any class is bad at (with the correct builds)

[prime sparrow]

Yeah Ultima in PvP is M1 = 3, while Celestial Arrow remains M1 = 4 while being neither buffed nor nerfed by elemental damage stuff. Those are the big high-pen options, both two turns

[mossy tulip]

Oh yeah. That build is sooooo good…I can tell by how many people are using it too. 😂

[prime sparrow]

Bloodray flask is mostly just for bullying Realmshifter and Summoner since we don't have second chance

[mossy tulip]

I’ve only seen me using it, and trust me, it’s very VERY modified.

[prime sparrow]

The build can't be used on defense, and dies on the backswing against second chance classes

[ebon hemlock]

I always die against 2nd chance as well, why can it even procc a 3rd time. It's 2nd chance, not 3rd chance but I digress. Coming back to the topic of this thread, buff ravage 🥸

[mossy tulip]

Look. I’m not even looking to nerf anyone. But it’s hard to keep accepting trade offs when I see other classes dominate in every content and STILL see people complain about bl2 which is only good at dungeons and towers, which heretic was pretty bad to begin with for all of Anguish 1.0’s duration.

[mossy tulip]

Your build is pretty bad probably. Even players with less ALs than me can zero me out when I’m on defense. If I’m on offense, I always have access to the blood ray wild card, but it’s literally the only thing that works atm.

[prime sparrow]

If it makes you feel better, almost nobody thinks Heretic is the best class in the game, so the perception of it is pretty accurate.

[mossy tulip]

Scythe is easily countered with ward. Chakram is easily countered by anything…ultima is dead.

[prime sparrow]

I ran a big survey ( #1467928719199830049 )

[ebon hemlock]

Doesn't bloodray have a m1 of 6 or 8 though? I don't keep up with Heretic since my luck with Heretic gear isn't particularly good

[prime sparrow]

I still regret not asking what the worst class in the game is on that survey

[magic tiger]

if heretic needs more buffs im all for it

[mossy tulip]

I know the level headed guys know what I’m talking about. It’s not top priority at the moment, but if gilga gets good at dungeons, then it’s really gonna be a feel bad situation for the Trash Three.

[vagrant egret]

Worst is a hard ask tbh now

[prime sparrow]

So is "best" but I asked it anyway

[ebon hemlock]

It's obviously rs 🥀

[prime sparrow]

And forced 500 people to pick an answer 😆

[magic tiger]

i think gilga is already good at dungeons? maybe not early gilga

[pastel forge]

What buffs does heretic need? Survivability? Or something PvE related?

[vagrant egret]

Atleast for me, heratic recently getting oilli gear, seeing rsc do dungs, beoA beoH, gsa doing dungs deity is well honestly I don't see deity anymore 🤣

[ebon hemlock]

Best is pretty evenly split between beo and Deity still from the poll

[vagrant egret]

Actually apex

[mossy tulip]

All I’d want is something that can be accessed on defense. Whether it’s ultima that is released from Orna jail or blood ray can be used on defense reliably.

[prime sparrow]

#1467928719199830049 message

[vagrant egret]

Yeah that's fair lmao

[magic tiger]

i think if heretic got an AI buff....or some sort of AI loadout option to actually leverage offensive flasks intelligently that would be good

[mossy tulip]

I’m talking about PvP. Reason being I’m seeing other classes get very well balanced on all content, but heretic/GS/realm are not.

[vagrant egret]

Deity is surprisngly high tho

[magic tiger]

that said defensive AI still feels like its stuck in 2021

which is why we all use one offensive skill on our loadouts

[vagrant egret]

I haven't seen a deity in like ages ngl

[warped agate]

So we pretend flasks dont exist? O.o

[pastel forge]

If Bloodray becomes reliable on defense, it needs to become blockable and dodgeable to be balanced imo. I think giving it some survivability makes more sense and is probably less of a balance nightmare

[prime sparrow]

Yes, on defense they don't, that's the context for the conversation

[mossy tulip]

Nah. Not since Ursa Strikes came out. That argument I feel is dead

[warped agate]

Ah, thank you. Yeah, i dont get why summoners can't pact and heretics can't flask.

[mossy tulip]

You got one too. And can use it on defense. And can zero anything.

[ebon hemlock]

It's also like 1 shot only, so 2nd chance and you're dead

[warped agate]

I can SS3 - why can't they use their choose

[pastel forge]

How so? It’s a 2 turn skill that does significantly less damage and can’t even be consistently reduced to 1 turn

[prime sparrow]

Me and my dodge chance will just go cry in a corner then 😆

[unborn dune]

The consensus is unbalanced is still balanced because if gs/rs/hera were truly good in everything we'd be broken classes.

[warped agate]

Thats with everything thats not gilgamesh.

[ripe rapids]

so three years ago? jk i know what you mean

[prime sparrow]

Furdad does have a wicked Strikes of Ursa build in our local area, he's actually made it impressively good

[unborn dune]

Atleast thats what im gathering from how the community appears to feel on the topic

[mossy tulip]

It’s only 2 turn if you want it to be. 1 turn if you want it to be. And by consistently you mean around 90% (iirc) chance? That’s pretty consistent.

[pastel forge]

How tanky is the build though? There’s a trade off to making it strong

[prime sparrow]

He zeros my rend/epee -.-

[ebon hemlock]

They're just more busy playing the game

[mossy tulip]

Pretty horrible

[pastel forge]

Anything under 100% is inconsistent

[vagrant egret]

Jeez

[mossy tulip]

Not it’s not dude. Hard disagree. People complain about second chance and it’s 50/25/12 lol

[pastel forge]

Without knowing the actual build it’s hard to comment on possible drawbacks

[prime sparrow]

This has gotten wildly off topic, but I do like discussing PvP (sorry Odie)

Maybe we should move threads?

[mossy tulip]

If it doesn’t go up you still zero all damage. Furdad has even got my 600k Blood ray to 70k

[pastel forge]

Yea, but you’re not attacking with second chance. 10% is still 10% of attacks my opponent lives turn 1 and one shots me back

[patent inlet]

Please, folks. Let’s not turn this thread into a class war

If today’s addition creates a substantial balance issue, it can be adjusted

Let’s keep discussion solely on the content of Beastfelled and less speculative stuff

[pastel forge]

There’s no balance issue. It’s brought melee closer to par with mage classes, while still being weaker than them

[mossy tulip]

Again, I even think that this conversation is a bit premature mature. I’d want to see the results of this new change first. However, they’re pretty easy to imagine.

[pastel forge]

This build doesn’t unlock anything that mages can’t already do with aaru robe

[prime sparrow]

I don't see a major issue coming from Sharpen III in a PvP scenario - it doesn't influence penetration

[ebon hemlock]

Though, these changes don't really affect your pain point with class balance (aka pvp defense) in any way

[prime sparrow]

Unless someone finds a good basic attack build, and in that case, more power to ya I guess

[unborn dune]

imma open a new thread for this topic. Were snowballing in the wrong thread. 🫠🙃

^

[mossy tulip]

Yeah. That’s the problem. Closer to one area, and way superior in another. And if we take ward into account, they’re way way superior….let me know which class does better at high anguish. BL2 has issues there.

[vagrant egret]

I've seen heratics do Mel 40 bruh

[ebon hemlock]

I'm just waiting for arisen feral claws and/or ravage to get a bit more oomf

[vagrant egret]

Not sure about orna side but on aethric side the oilli gear secures an easy Mel 40

[ebon hemlock]

Just a bit more odie, please 🥺

[vagrant egret]

Can agree with this, idrk ravages power atm but if it could crit that would be nice

[pastel forge]

BeoH and Deity were widely regarded by the community as the strongest classes in the game.

If we’re talking tradeoffs, there’s a whole section of the game gilga is completely unable to do efficiently. That section just happens to be the best orn farm in the game by far

[unborn dune]

#1469096430244335783

^

[mossy tulip]

I agree with this actually. Still, changes does benefit those 2 classes. I will apologize for singling out gilgas, tbf, deity and BeoH are worse.

[prime sparrow]

And they're mages (-ish) 😅

[ebon hemlock]

Even if it doesn't crit, upping the m1, giving the weapon more stats or even making it full aoe or increasing the minimum number of enemies hit, all are viable changes in my opinion. I feel like making ravage crit should be the last resort

[vagrant egret]

Ahh yeah

[mossy tulip]

Odie said to keep in on bestfelled. Let’s continue this next week or so, when we can see where the new changes take us.

[prime sparrow]

Please don't let Ravage crit

[ripe rapids]

why not?

[ebon hemlock]

Yeah, it's the last resort. I don't want it to crit either

[pastel forge]

Because then it’s just another skill killed by crit maluses 😅

[prime sparrow]

It'd be nice to have a skill that can be balanced around the fact that it's not critting, and all of the other relevant melee pseudo-AoE crits aside from CS

[unborn dune]

Theres also a deconflict chamber i built if you gotta get it off your chest. Lmfao. 😅🫠

[mossy tulip]

And pinions….

[vagrant egret]

Yeah that's fair, I also forgot that it dosent hit all targets consistently

[prime sparrow]

Lets get some good ol' build variety in here and get a skill that both doesn't crit and doesn't benefit from tanky ward builds

[vagrant egret]

I'd rather that over crit

[ebon hemlock]

Code word: relevant (upward strike is thus out of this conversation)

[ripe rapids]

right yeah now i got it || buff sweep||

[mossy tulip]

Thank you. Do heretic next please. This is what we need.

[vagrant egret]

Or extra minimum targets

[rugged knot]

Ban justfold before its too late

[prime sparrow]

I feel like Sweep II could be given to players and it wouldn't even be OP

(maybe)

[unborn dune]

Please then there will be a reason to run coral summon 😄

[ripe rapids]

2000 power and full aoe is certainly stronger than ravage now

[ebon hemlock]

Coral summon should already be usable with sharpen 2 no?

[prime sparrow]

Than Ravage now, yes, for sure

[ebon hemlock]

And with sharpen 3 being single turn

[prime sparrow]

I'm also not suggesting giving Sweep II to players

I am entirely just on the bandwagon of making Ravage hit 2-6 targets instead of 1-6

(Now, there is an argument for giving Sweep II to players as a non-critting lower damage but much higher penetration counterpart to mages having BL2... But again, not what I'm asking for.)

[ebon hemlock]

I felt that skill variety was needed and voted for that in this survey, I was trying various non crit options for content and it just felt like they aren't all that viable outside of gilga who can use collateral damage. And maybe certain apex or flask builds. It's all also just very specific builds needed to make the singular skills work. So I'd really prefer if Ravage did not crit to keep it different from the rest

[ebon hemlock]

Wouldn't it be more akin to despair than bl2?

[random zephyr]

Offense GSH is a beast

Defense just has bad AI issues more then anything

And mage classes can keep up just fine in PvP depending on your build, magic chakram being a common build among mages

[mossy tulip]

Again…high numbers doesn’t mean a beast….

[mossy tulip]

Magic Chakram is just good against BoF builds.

[pastel forge]

One of our top performers in IBWIPVP exclusively plays heretic. But again, let’s try to stick to beastfelled in here

[mossy tulip]

Ray is good against non second chance classes. And can always pull one off. That is the benefit to blood ray. It does have a chance to win against anyone

[mossy tulip]

Btw, who?

Can’t remember who it is

[random zephyr]

Sorry for getting off track

I would say I'm throughly content with the beastfelled content!

I think the melee buffs were VERY needed! Mages have had access to easier buffs for so long+elementless AOE ect

It's nice to see our att focused classes see some love! Amongst that lyncus gear FINALLY being useful

[pastel forge]

M3dvedev

[mossy tulip]

Ohhhh right right

[paper plinth]

What about..... Barrier -> blessed shield. Would that be ok or too much?

[vagrant egret]

I can see it tbf, since we already have barrier 2

[paper plinth]

With ruairc gear and yelmongus gear , pets and followers casting barrier seem very meh

[vagrant egret]

Yeah it's not that good at all

And blessed shield is goated 😩

[digital jacinth]

Nah, let’s get barrier 3

[simple stag]

Barrier 3 that had a chance at Def/Res 1 and 2 would be okay

Though something that helped mages out with something would be nice too. Heh heh, what about an alignment or sigil on the hood?

And similarly something else warriors might want on the Helmet?

And what about the rest of the Thief Gear and Lynx Labrys?

[pastel forge]

Lynx labrys only needs upward strike to be better to be a good weapon imo

[rugged knot]

And maybe some more ward i think

But thats secondary

[blazing musk]

Definitely agree the head pieces, they kinda feel like dead items or at the very least niche, I'd prefer if we were putting ravage and upward strike as our next priority to be looked at though

[simple stag]

Something that is “channel for 1 turn then hit multiple targets” seems like something Heretic might play with to utilize Efficacious not something Gilgamesh or RS want

Or if it hit everything, would that make the channeling okay since Gilga has ward?

[random zephyr]

I think that could be used on the "ponder" piece more then the barrier peice tbh

Barrier should be a better defensive buff

Ponder could be changed to suit mage needs

Though I don't think mage needs T.magic3 or 2

Rather it would be better to replace ponder with say, inquest/sigils/something else

[vagrant egret]

Out of context but I forget this often, do sigils and blights stack? Just curious since sigils don't seem that useful when blights exist (unless they stack then it's useful ofc)

[simple stag]

And elemental weakness multipliers also multiply for both

[vagrant egret]

Ic

So yeah sigils would be nice imo, not a heratic but it seems ok

I need to play hera again at some point 😭

[simple stag]

It’d be a boon for anyone would can use the robe and wants to Ultima or do something with elements, yeah. I’m not sure if it would outdamage the infinite Great Meditation but making more build options is good imo

[vagrant egret]

It might

I mean, I see omni flask doing 20+ mil consistently so like 😭

[blazing musk]

Give it sigils! Make ultima pvp viable again!

[scenic shuttle]

wasnt this changed so that if theres a blight it only gets the weakness to blight and if theres only a sigil its a worse weakness than blight? and to combat stacking weakness damage they didnt stack nor added together

[simple stag]

Maybe for Ultima but for the elemental weakness in passives on gear like Fallen Sky and Beheaded Chargeblade, (and Heretic’s passive), they definitely multiply on both

[worn elbow]

Are y’all buying the cats paws for AP?

[prime sparrow]

No seems like a waste

[random zephyr]

I definitely am!

It's pretty huge for those that don't have a second chance passive, lots of PVE uses you could use it for too

[prime sparrow]

Just... don't die

It only has a 9% chance to save you anyway

The only time I might consider using it is if I have a large stack of endless setup

But for any other PvE content in the game I can't imagine even dying enough times while it's active to even see it proc

[scenic shuttle]

did they just update the way extra turns were given for bf dungeons

i was able to wipe first wave when 2 enemies spawned cast snotra and then kill them safely

and now its only giving 1

so did they update that and not bother making a patchnots update

[paper plinth]

I don't follow what is different

[scenic shuttle]

the way it gave multiple turns for wave 2 of a floor if multiple spawns

so if 2 spawned it gave 2 turns

if 3 it gave 3

if 1 it only gave one

now its always only 1 turn

[prime sparrow]

There was a suspected bug (I heard about it but didn't test it) where Parting Remark/Avidity were triggering much more than they were supposed to upon clearing a wave

[scenic shuttle]

im on beoh with oracle

i dont think i can parting remark

or avidity

[prime sparrow]

Ok then you shouldn't be expecting any extra turns lmao

[scenic shuttle]

i was getting them

[steep kayak]

#NerfRealmshifter

[scenic shuttle]

because its how i was safely running ang 11 with lvl 1 ruiac head and legs

[paper plinth]

I have no idea. Nothing seems different but I'm not buffing

[prime sparrow]

Sounds like what my friends thought was a PR/Avidity bug was actually just a bug bug for everyone

[scenic shuttle]

so again no patch notes update

[paper plinth]

3 adds no free turns

[scenic shuttle]

yes if you take the pic now its not gonna show multiple turns

if you look at before

[paper plinth]

2 adds 3 free turns

Ive only seen 1 instance of free turns in 5 dungeons

[scenic shuttle]

watch the video you can see at the top right corner that you were getting multiple turns (not because they wiped everything out and it shows only him getting atleast 3 turns as seen in image and if you watch its before the player takes a turn but after they spawned

i was getting it reliably floor 1

[paper plinth]

W/e triggers it doesn't seem to happen for me.

[scenic shuttle]

you can maybe blame it on me changing gear from using bf curiass with ruairc gear to upgraging ruairc gear to 5 and swapping back to aaru robe

but it was an extremely safe way for me to run it now i have to reconsider how to go about getting snotra up

unless they changed something that made the bug less often?

Okay so after doing some checking I've got screenshots from another dungeon and a video of the last one

Please look top right in order to see the extra turns I'm talking about

This vid is to emphasize the extra turns given

these pics/vids are back to back dungeons and it seems inconsistent in the dungeons themselves

so not sure if its a bug or if its intended or if its something to do with the way spawns worked before it always gave turn per spawn and now its all at once so it cant figure out if 1 or multiple turns is right

[red cypress]

Dragon sigl

I mean without gear that give extra turns etc you should not get one?

[ripe rapids]

i doubt you're getting extra turns here. I'm guessing the adds spawn at a massive foresight difference