We made a Deity thread before this beta even happened with changes and it derailed like all changes do. There's plenty of other evidence elsewhere. You'll see soon when stats come out and Dursa is barely used. That'll be Odies main data tbh
#Beta Deity Ursa/Ara discussion
weary nacelle
Like others have said let it shake out but most of us that have been playing Deity see the writing on the wall haha
remote ferry
It just reflects the state of attack based builds. It makes perfect sense that you'd use Dara which has BL2 rather than Dursa, when even with a full bof build you're not nearing bl2s damage
weary nacelle
It just reflects the state of attack based builds. It makes perfect sense that y...
Pretty much what I was saying. BL2 is insanely OP
remote ferry
If RS could use it then we would be too :x
From an outside perspective, it's cool that you have a class that can go either magic or attack, but atm magic is just busted
runic oriole
new idea lets nerf magic based skill to the ground completely gutting any use for the main options used for raiding and make only dts viable for horde content
dense lagoon
new idea lets nerf magic based skill to the ground completely gutting any use fo...
Well, since Dara is magic based and is still doing ok I’m sure it will get nerfed shortly. That way Dara and Dursa can be equally unhappy
barren briar
We're seeing all classes improving with every event. Maybe not all classes are served on every event, but there is new gear every other event.
Deity is said to be "jack of all trades" and this used to be true. But all classes now have an "identity" and all those traits are beyond us.
If every class traits and mechanics were trades, Deity is not the "jack of all trades," but the "jack of no trades."
There is nothing Deity can do that no other class can't do, often better due to supporting mechanics, besides Apex.
Where we win is in sheer stats. High base stats, plus lines, plus a ton of buffs we get out of nowhere let us outscale everything.
You can't even say "Deity trait is that we can use all gear," because Beo can use all gear, too, and they can do it better with hybrid monster.
People have to acknowledge that the other classes have evolved. I'm happy for them, the more people enjoying the game the more it will be developed.
If Deity mechanics is Apex, then we need supporting gear for it. If the mechanics is random buffs, then we need gear for it.
If Odie says the mechanic is that we get to make builds that nobody else can because we aren't tied down to specific mechanics, then we need gear with mechanics that are viable. Interesting mechanics don't mean anything if raids are immune, they take too long to trigger in PvP, or cannot be effectively used in dungeons and towers.
narrow belfry
People have to acknowledge that the other classes have evolved. I'm happy for th...
RS hasn't evolved yet
also deity doesn't have the best stats beoh clears att and mag (the 2 that matter)
runic oriole
RS hasn't evolved yet
also deity doesn't have the best stats beoh clears att an...
okay so rs evolution was multiple turns ina row and beoh might have att and mag post hybrid but it doesnt without calculating hybrid and beoh doesnt have dex or def res stats deity has it all
narrow belfry
avidity is nowhere as strong as flask and frenzy/ Collateral, also you're overvaluing def,res and dex everything is just ward
barren briar
We kind of need dex now.
fiery crag
I'm not gonna lie, the idea that "all the other classes" have surpassed deity in some way is wildly out of touch IMO. Deity has gotten a relatively small nerf and is still extremely powerful across all pieces of content, and some classes barely scratch that type of power
barren briar
I'm not gonna lie, the idea that "all the other classes" have surpassed deity in...
I never said this? I was quite clear that we outscale everything. It's about the other classes getting new mechanics and gear that either changes or support their meta, while we are still doing essentially the same thing we did years ago.
Are you really gonna sacrifice TMM+Aaru Robe for 7% chance of mana overspend?
peak python
Soo bad time to ask for an apex armor adorn?
fiery crag
I never said this? I was quite clear that we outscale everything. It's about the...
"There is nothing Deity can do that no other class can't do, often better" seems to imply that Deity is somehow underperforming across the board. Otherwise, what is the complaint here - that other classes are competent at a variety of content?
barren briar
"There is nothing Deity can do that no other class can't do, often better" seems...
No, but we are only outperforming them due to sheer stats.
fiery crag
If that were true, it's bad because?... your unique powerful ability is passé?
barren briar
And, as I said, if Deity mechanics is outperform everything with sheer stats, then gear that help us with that would be welcome.
As I mentioned previously, buff duration and buff trigger gear would be welcome.
fiery crag
Buff duration gear already exists
barren briar
Sure, but I wouldn't mind more.
fiery crag
Maybe next time! Can only create so many items for so many classes each brand new event 😂
barren briar
Especially one that came with +5% "The Deity" trigger chance.
Or a generic buff, it would go well with gear like Imagination.
fiery crag
Especially one that came with +5% "The Deity" trigger chance.
I mean equipping a Lugus gauntlet kind of does that already
barren briar
I mean equipping a Lugus gauntlet kind of does that already
It sure does help when you finally trigger that T.Atk+++... with DAra. And then it vanishes on the next turn.
fiery crag
Soo bad time to ask for an apex armor adorn?
It might happen eventually, but I'd guess a buff to hippo eyes is more likely
peak python
It might happen eventually, but I'd guess a buff to hippo eyes is more likely
Dang it, was hoping for something like bristles
fiery crag
I mean it could happen, but Apex power is an m1 multiplier so it's pretty strong
peak python
So make it increase the apex gain per turn limit, although that would also have to be pretty carefully balanced
barren briar
So make it increase the apex gain per turn limit, although that would also have ...
I support this.
Also make a buff trigger chance adorn. +1%
fiery crag
One of the apex things basically does nothing right? Is it Apex rate?
peak python
Ideally it’ll raise the apex gain per turn cap. Also let’s not add the buff trigger chance, I’m hoping it’s an armor adorn 😅
barren briar
One of the apex things basically does nothing right? Is it Apex rate?
Apex Rate is kind of doing nothing because we don't really need any of it to reach Apex gain cap.
fiery crag
Buff trigger chance armor adorn would be crazy strong btw
barren briar
Buff trigger chance armor adorn would be crazy strong btw
Sure, but then you have to pick between it, and ashen pinion, JoC or Lyncus.
peak python
Look man the buff triggers gonna have to be probably lower than half a percent to not instantly be busted af, I wish we could get it, but I don’t see it realistically happening right after we got a nerfed by reducing buff chance
barren briar
Look man the buff triggers gonna have to be probably lower than half a percent t...
0.5% is fine.
fiery crag
Alright so Deity is at what, 2% for +++? So six adorns at 0.5 each would get you up to 5%, which is a 25% chance per 5-enemy floor. Bump it up to 16 adorns across a couple pieces, and you're at 50% chance per 5 enemy floor...
And that's for 1 temp buff with a base proc of 2%. Every temp buff across your whole loadout would be affected similarly
peak python
Ideally it’ll raise the apex gain per turn cap. Also let’s not add the buff trig...
Soo thoughts on the apex gain per turn cap increase adornment?
fiery crag
I don't really know deity apex rate/start balancing, sorry
barren briar
Alright so Deity is at what, 2% for +++? So six adorns at 0.5 each would get you...
I think only Ursa has a per enemy chance.
lone fern
Gilga got overtuned so much i might HoC 
lone fern
Alright so Deity is at what, 2% for +++? So six adorns at 0.5 each would get you...
What Adornments do we talk about?
fiery crag
I think only Ursa has a per enemy chance.
No, everything does
fiery crag
What Adornments do we talk about?
A theoretical +buff chance proc adornment (to stack with the autobuffs from Deity in this context)
barren briar
No, everything does
On hit?
barren briar
Still, some people have already stated that the whole "per enemy" is broken. It gives us an unfair advantage in horde content, but on the other hand, not everything is horde content.
If you balance everything considering you will have 5 enemies on screen all the time, you undertune the content with single enemies.
lone fern
But only Ursa lists on kill as trigger.
Everything is on hit but the extra chance of ursa is on murder, ara extra chance is on apex Skill cast.
barren briar
So, 2% chance on hit? Because I seem to recall it just randomly appearing on the turn start.
peak python
Every hit gives you a roll for the temp buffs. Dursa gets a chance on kills which idk where that is calculated
barren briar
I see, but the point stands. You can't balance stuff considering only a portion of the content where 5 enemies will be on screen at once.
A simple solution would be to make it apply only once when multiple enemies are hit.
Or split the bonus across all targets, like we do for AoE damage.
peak python
Yeah but now that just basically nerfs deity again so it’s probably better to just not open the can of worms for an adornment
worn osprey
Hey guys, going to lock this thread now.
Everything is out of beta and in live
If you wish to start discussion threads on any key topics in future, aim to show tangible supporting evidence of areas that have gaps, and avoid getting into sentimental/anecdotal back and forths. Keep conversation aimed at productivity at the forefront
Have a happy holidays all