Wyrmhunt (2025)

[eternal harbor]

I mean also as in I don't use luck and use autodismantle

[hidden mulch]

Oh ok

ok well I do the opposite

[dapper torrent]

I just go full damage, don't need to remove drakeblight if everything dies before it's an issue

[eternal harbor]

I'm redlining for safety. I absolutely do not want to whiff a single Yelbeghen tower ever

They're too premium for that

[dapper torrent]

Are you running them high anguish?

[hidden mulch]

I've died 3 times from dot lol

[eternal harbor]

Nah, so it's not actually that risky

[dapper torrent]

Yeah I'm just running on anguish 1 not even because of yel but because I cbf dealing with those tanky ass dragons on the higher floors lmao

[hidden mulch]

surely you have a good onc and can just raider tank it

[eternal harbor]

That's exactly what I'm doing

Except "good" means superior

[hidden mulch]

oh ok

seriously

you've been playing for like 7 years no

[eternal harbor]

Almost 5

[hidden mulch]

5?

Damn I thought you were an og

[gleaming flume]

Onc is tricky to get

[eternal harbor]

My 5 year is October 1st

[hidden mulch]

O

[eternal harbor]

Yelbeghen gear

[hidden mulch]

Briny, wow

You really do hate dragons huh

[gleaming flume]

It's like 1/1000 dungeons, and if you don't/can't run too much hard mode and so on it's not an easy loot !

[eternal harbor]

I hate dying

[hidden mulch]

Oh wait

[dapper torrent]

Damn I want that amity

[hidden mulch]

I'm always thinking about a class with positive defres stats lol

[hidden mulch]

look at hoa to feel better about your amity situation

[eternal harbor]

Realmshifter becomes extremely tanky and a dodgey at redline, which is why I do it

Especially with the Rhada souls I can just shrug off repeated towerfalls

[hidden mulch]

alternatively just get 100 al from dara

[eternal harbor]

Yes, Deity is better, that's generally just a given

[hidden mulch]

yeah that sounds like excellent qol

I'm just rawdogging it with stats

Arisen fey banshee bulwark

Raider channel

[eternal harbor]

Yelb dropped me some boots that I'm upgrading right now that'll replace the Windtamer. Then I'll be immune to all dots he can give

[reef crystal]

It also removes normal blight, making it useful for redline classes outside of the event

[remote crown]

so do we know if Yel is affected by luck? anyone has done some further testing?

[wooden badger]

This was posted earlier

[wooden badger]

^^

[severe radish]

Just why nf did not give us pure phys aoe? I don't think it would be any better then bl2

[dapper torrent]

Dragon aoe is better anyway

[jovial yew]

As a summoner I use it to remove drakeblight EVERY time lmao

[dapper torrent]

Fair point. I sometimes forget people willingly subject themselves to playing summoner

[jovial yew]

Only class I play man only class I'll ever play since it's release

[dapper torrent]

Yeah that's fair. I joke, but I can see the appeal. Just not to my taste

[jovial yew]

Yeah I mean we all have fun in our own ways

I personally like using just summons for everything, summoner at pure heart, I don't even touch BP or ultima builds

Yel gear is an amazing implement for us, like probably best armor we currently have when it comes to actually making us stronger/our summons

The buffs I'm passing would usually take over 50-60 turns to pass, this gear changes everything for us lmao

Slow ramp up of dmg sure, but like at least it's viable, and honestly really fun for me

[dapper torrent]

Yeah that looks way faster than summoner I've seen before. Glad summoner is getting some love in this event too

[jovial yew]

Yel gear is huge for summoners, huge lol, but also you need ophion banner to guarantee buff dispurse

So off-hand summons are still a no go on convenient buffing but honestly every little step counts and this is a huge step for us

[winged shard]

There's a class named summoner? 🤔 🤭

[halcyon forge]

Physical would be waay way better in my opinion but you do you

At least with al’s. Having an element limits use in so many ways

[eternal harbor]

Ah, complaining. Realmshifter had it's missing passive re-added

Yes, pure physical would've been better. Odie doesn't like adding better and better AoE though, which is why I was petitioning for either pure physical or dragon element. Dragon element is still another tool in the toolbox alongside arcane.

[halcyon forge]

What are passive are u referring to jus curious? Btw no complaints about new yel stuff, just would have liked physical but you cant get everything 😉

[eternal harbor]

Before Grand Summoner stole the crown, Realmshifter was the best class at complaining in the game

Hard to say who's best at it now though

Not sure on the meta

[lime aspen]

The key cost reduction is a much appreciated change 👍

[wicked falcon]

i cant see the grand summoner class, is it a specialization?

[eternal harbor]

You unlock Attuner from completing a quest for Horus, and then Grand Summoner is the T10 class at the end of that class tree

[wicked falcon]

i see, im almost t7 and not even close xd

that summoner video was insane

[eternal harbor]

Attuner is a T7 class, so look for Horus if you wanted to play that class

The summoner line is powerful in T7-T9 but falls off a lot in T10

[wicked falcon]

im hitting 2k and thinking its good

[eternal harbor]

Right now Grand Summoner is probably the least powerful T10 class in PvE
Or at least the slowest at clearing most content

[wicked falcon]

hm, never saw the guy i think?

[wicked falcon]

really? lol, i cant imagine the other classes then

that guy was hitting like a truck and theres a class more broken?

[eternal harbor]

I have no idea what video you're talking about tbh lol

[wicked falcon]

the last one

[eternal harbor]

Just the one farther up in chat?

[wicked falcon]

this one

[eternal harbor]

Yeah that is quite slow

(no offense to Thebaldrice)

[wicked falcon]

omg

im on the spellweaver path rn

got any tips?

[eternal harbor]

Orna's damage ramps up huge for all classes as you progress into tier 9 and tier 10

I haven't been earlygame in almost 5 years, sorry, I don't really have any tips 😅

Ask around in #🌱│early-game-help / #🌲│mid-game-⭐5→⭐9

[tulip crater]

got happy for a second thinking they reduced the cost of Yebelghen keys 🙈

[lime aspen]

This one already dropped from 20 to 15. Now the price of 1 horde boss is 10 keys when solo. It's much more manageable.

[eternal harbor]

PSA:

[lime aspen]

Is it only about luck or does it also apply to tails of sphinx ?

[eternal harbor]

Sphinx Tails apply to titans

I could try to dig up Odie's message from 2023 (or was it 24?) about that

Anyway it was asked when Sphinx Tails were added

[lime aspen]

Ok thank you. I guess it's the same for the karma buff.

[eternal harbor]

Most likely

FYI tails/karmic ornate don't have a huge impact: #1400508525204996176 message

[proven basin]

I've long since forsaken my Sphinx tails!

[strong agate]

Idk man, this event comes around 3 times a year, maybe more now with the 3 week cycle. Its not that deep if you hyper grind and dont get the ornate you want. Thats just Orna. Cause this is an Orna discord

As far as sphinx tails and karmic it looks like it shaves off laps of the grind if that is what you are looking for

[eternal harbor]

What are you responding to?

[haughty falcon]

Tbh I don't see realmys really complain that much. Most of them are like "yup, Odie hates us" and then go on about their day

[hidden mulch]

apathy

who knows

one more word from the 3 people that still play rs and realm's light is gonna get moved to deity

[static prairie]

Revisiting my earlier complaint about the time input, I thought about it and can better phrase why I feel this way.

I noted that the gather heads -> create key -> run tower for boss loop felt bad because it was a large time input for each attempt. Some other users noted that the mat gathering portion is about equal to other events and I have pinpointed why this event annoys me so much: it's because you must gather the materials and use them within the event.

Other events I could get into the zone with mass farming dungeons or monuments for the materials, exchange for boss scrolls and the sit on them for months... and I usually did to wait for great felling. This event is asking for too much all at once and I'd like to push for something I saw discussed here earlier: allow us to access yelbeghen towers at any time so long as we have keys. Keys would still be crafted only during an event, but now we wouldn't be forced to push out all of our tower runs ASAP.

One part of doing the entire loop that I find limiting is that I primarily play this game on an old phone to conserve my new phone's battery life. On that old phone, if I boot up a wayvessel and do 10-20 horde boss dungeons, it's now at less than 30% battery life and I have to charge it to start doing towers.

TLDR: please do not allow the boss run portion of the event to demand our immediate attention. Would 100% help with the talk about FOMO as well if you could just stock keys and use them as you please.

[lime aspen]

This event was always about dungeons tho

[hidden mulch]

not the most elegant solution, but yeah that'll suffice

at least in hoa players are completely suffering from getting gear shafted due to tower locks

im 70 kills deep, 15 extra keys with no towers to run, 4 ornates

there is a decent nonzero chance where a player that grinds the event out just doesn't get anything

for no reason other than getting capped by # towers

[lime aspen]

On the other hand, you have 5 towers accessible for free (I think).

[hidden mulch]

yeah

but that's a hard cap

max 10 towers

[static prairie]

You are a machine. I've just crossed 30 kills last night and if I did more I feel like I'd be burnt on this game.

[toxic galleon]

if I dont move I can do about 7-8 towers from my ot depending on rng. On commutes I can get more towers but I dont have the time to do more than 10 anyway tbh lol

[lime aspen]

It's not like orna players have infinite amount of towers at hand, you need to find them, and if you're not in a crowded area, it's even worse than hoa.

[hidden mulch]

yeah, even worse is that im getting shafted

4 ornates

really hate how there's no way to even brute force this event

[static prairie]

I got my first 2 ornates last night, 2 pieces of warrior gear. Dunno if I'm happy about it yet.

[hidden mulch]

if you're shafted, ggwp gl

[hidden mulch]

if i have 1.5k vd and move to 2 locations id already have more than 5 towers

would that be correct

or rather find more than 5 natural towers

[lime aspen]

Depends on your location. Big city, maybe yes. Small town, no (and it's not even close) but you don't have the dungeons to farm either anyways.

[hidden mulch]

wayvessel

[lime aspen]

5 is still high tho. Even in Paris it would be a rare occurrence.

[hidden mulch]

hoa rates = 1 dragon den, 5 normal dgns, 1 hour cd

orna rates = ????? 2 hours nonthemed boss

would you say that orna players have more access to dgns

or nah

[lime aspen]

Depends on your degree of investment. A random player alone, probably less. But you have options with groups and also placing you OT somewhere else.

[hidden mulch]

oh ok

[lime aspen]

Being alone, I've about 10 dungeons between my actual home and my OT 1km away in crowded area. All dungeons are random tho, so I don't have 10 normals to farm even. And I don't have a dragon dungeon this week for example.
I'm not the most active in game so I don't actively try to find groups. When I visit grandma, complete different story, no dungeon in 1km around.

[vocal crater]

My experience is: in HoA generally easier access to towers and battlegrounds, in orna (with WV) more (and instant/no in game walking required) dungeons. But if you are traveling, you can more easily setup 5x 50 floor wild towers.

(2 years in HoA, first year in Orna)

[hidden mulch]

bgs definitely

towers i suppose, you can't access them through wvs correct

[vocal crater]

Exactly

And celestial classes are way more expensive (20k+)

[eternal harbor]

Towers in Orna are technically unlimited but only when you also have unlimited transportation.

In practice that means most players are heavily limited. You'll find that often the highest ranking Orna players spend a lot of time on public transit.

[dapper torrent]

Yeah I've been hopping on a bus to find towers while my OT towers are on cooldown. I'm at 57 kills. This event is VERY grindy but I kinda like it. Hopefully I can get at least 1 piece that I'm after or it will just feel like wasted time though, like Apollyon event I got almost 2 full mage sets, a full warrior set, multiple staffs, 1 axe, and NO thief gear. I play RS. Felt quite bad tbh when you put that amount of investment in to get (essentially) nothing

But at the same time it makes getting a good drop feel that much more special so I'm kinda split on how I feel about it

[static prairie]

I'm pushing for letting you enter yelbeghen towers so long as you have keys even after the event.

Easiest way to solve things is to let you spend keys at your leisure.

[reef crystal]

That would just make the event a dungeon spam, and incentivize people to only run the towers after the event is over

[static prairie]

This event has always been dungeon spam, now it's dungeon spam and forced tower runs that don't respect your time.

I can only keep up with it because I'm on time off, but I'd rather do things at my own pace.

[reef crystal]

How don’t they respect your time? They’re the first event towers we ever got and they’re a breath of fresh air imo

[frank fog]

I’ve been killing 8 Yel in a row full white gear not a single colour

Amazing

🤪🤣

[reef crystal]

That happens every single event lol

[static prairie]

Because every other event lets you kill raid bosses later. This one currently demands everything in the bounds of the event

[frank fog]

Given the time invested to farm that shit it’s low colour count

[jovial yew]

I used the karma thingy, after 5 yel kills no ornate

[frank fog]

Told you it’s a placebo

:p

[dapper torrent]

No one is forcing you to run a bunch of towers, you could just do your 5 OT towers every day and you would get like 100 yel kills by the end of the event.

[reef crystal]

Not all events depend on raid scrolls though?

[static prairie]

Every attempt is 5-10m up a tower after you spam 5-6 horde boss dungeons

This is too much all at once

[reef crystal]

It’s literally a 5min tower if you speedrun it, you can stack them and do them on a bathroom break

[fiery pier]

I think its a good thing to have more slow burn late game content.

[frank fog]

If you r got the gear to speedrun and do the Yel boss in some nice time that is

[reef crystal]

Even if you have a wv with 10 dungeons, you can run them l and have 30min left for towers while your wv is on cooldown for the next set

[frank fog]

Takes me like 5 min JUST for the boss so far at least

[static prairie]

I'm not dropping anguish just to do the tower faster.

[reef crystal]

You can’t attack while it has ward up, or it’ll just start spamming ward of bone and have permanent 80% damage reduction. If you burst it when it hasn’t warded up it’s significantly faster

[reef crystal]

That’s your prerogative, can’t really blame the event for that

[frank fog]

Good point thanks

[dapper torrent]

If you deal 2mil damage a turn the ward of bone spam isn't an issue 🤷‍♂️

[frank fog]

I was trying to rush because I thought it was going to ward none and that’s it it keeps on buffing up

[frank fog]

With the new ss3 nerf it’s not that easy to upkeep 2M damage for more than 3 spam for me

Somehow

[static prairie]

You can when the drop rates are piss poor. Anguish gives better drop rates for good gear

[frank fog]

Because I don’t play swash style

[fiery pier]

You should play CD style

[frank fog]

Im deity

Skills issue 🤣

[fiery pier]

I think you could fit more attack into that build in any case

[frank fog]

Clearly not optimised. I didn’t touch anything since the ss3 nerf

So it’s the old way

[dapper torrent]

I'm not swashing either. Base RS for the extra ward damage and oracle spec, pick up the berserk buff from the chests, with buffs and dragon enchanted weapon my realmstrikes do 2mil ward damage each turn. I'm not even min/maxed I just threw some gear together

[jovial yew]

Takes about 15 minutes to reach him and about 5-10 minutes to fight him for me, so around 20-30min

[frank fog]

Sounds about right for a gs

[jovial yew]

But yel doesn't hit me hard at all it's just safe and slow

[fiery pier]

I think the 2 drop thing is a really cool idea. We can have events in the future that take twice as long and give 4 drops.

[dapper torrent]

Summoner will always be slow, it's just basic turn economy unfortunately

[frank fog]

I didn’t even want to try it with GS as I’m too afraid to be one shot

🤣

[jovial yew]

But at least I don't have to worry about dying

Tanky tanky

[frank fog]

How much ward and life do you have ?

And what AL?

[dapper torrent]

I don't even want to try swashing the towers lol

[jovial yew]

That's my 7 AL alt lmao

[fiery pier]

Just run 80% dragon resist amity and the boss loses all its damage.

[jovial yew]

In which case yel cannot kill me lol

[jovial yew]

I don't have any res element amity though

Just rhada souls and elemental wards do the trick if you want you could run essences to 0 towerfall/ultima

Alt is broke though I neglect it a lot, I just use it as reference when showing new summoners what to do

[fiery pier]

Yeah rhada souls good here too, but my raid loadout has a delicate adorn balance

[frank fog]

I am confused. It’s very primitive and very effective

🤣

How are you doing any damage with that build I don’t get it

Im doing something wrong then

I tried with that

Sorry the good stats

[jovial yew]

I use mammoth, DC+wryms song, and chip away, boss fight is about 5-10 minutes depending how often ward of bone is applied lol

At the same time I don't have to worry about dying, just replacing mammoths here and there

[frank fog]

Just tried to go up and got f* on a pack

Got 3 Crit from mobs same turn. Dead

9k hp is shit even with 85% absorb and 115k ward rofl

Soooo lost a tower just for the lols of trying with summoner…

I almost got tricked again to think it could be fun 🤣🥹

[jovial yew]

That's just unfortunate, personally though I just ignore all the hard encounters and skip straight to the titan lmao

[static prairie]

If Bashe was the crit culprit, you can just run a dragon resist amity and watch them become very non-threatening. As a bonus, it will also make Ymir's ultima a non-issue.

[frank fog]

You know there’s a real issue with the class when you have to give up on everything summoner related (no special summoner gear part) and build it like a gilga to do content. Don’t know.. I guess it’s time NF starts acknowledging maybe there’s a stats problem on the class or special gears after many years 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[static raven]

So... is there valhallan gear yet?

[vocal crater]

You could run towers with more lp, like immortal ring, Baldr or pumpkinless gear. And maybe ymir coiled shield instead of arisen shield because of dragon resist (bashe).

[vocal crater]

Or simply 80% dragon immunity amity

[toxic galleon]

its clearly not a priority for them. It has already been an issue for 1-2 years at this point. GSH has been bad since its release and basically nobody cares

wyrmhunt has always been a really bad event to do as GS. It just doesnt have the damage output to deal with the dragons effectively. Even with 150 al you're better off swapping to deity or heretic to clear the dungeons. Havent done the towers as gs but I imagine it's even worse since you dont have 5 summons to deal with each encounter like you can have in a dungeon

[vocal crater]

Probably most players (like me) just accepted that summoner is great all the way up to mid t10 and then switch the class. But that is of course a very clear sign of class imbalance.

[frank fog]

@vocal crater

That was my gear

And to precise it was not a dragon that killed me

It was on another pack, can’t remember which one as I did other towers in the meantime

Also I had a gilga axe instead of what you see above

I swapped at the last minute when going up to copy what I saw from lebaldrice

[toxic galleon]

I mean baldrice is saying that it takes him 5-10 minutes to do yel, and he has 74 al

[dapper torrent]

When it takes 100 turns to ramp up to full damage I can see why it would take so long lol

[vocal crater]

Oh, OK. Then probably just bad luck 😅 For normal towers, I found GSA always a very safe (but very slow) choice. But maybe that has changed with the new mobs in the tower? 🤔

(though I always had rather 12k+ lp in my tower setting, which helps a lot)

[jovial yew]

I was using my 7AL alt for that reference lol, I just use mammoth/panda for the climb ( way faster than AD/jinn ) and then I mammoth spam for the titan fight

With the gear I showed you shouldn't die if you woo immediately then fill in the blanks

This account is lvl 233, about 15 minutes for the climb, and about 5-10 minutes for the yel fight

If you don't have mammoth and panda summons I'd personally add 8-10 minutes to those times

If I had a 80% amity, I'd probably use banner+yel gear for a 1-3 minute yel fight

[toxic galleon]

ah missed that part. Its quite the dedication to grind yel on an alt

[jovial yew]

My main if I wore the same gear as my alt, even with 74AL it's probably around the same yel clear time, maybe instead of 5-10, it's 3-8 minutes

But on my main I can afford to wear yel+banner cause the raw stats of AL, and I have the proper measures not to get 0'd by yel 🤣💀 so usually a minute boss fight

[hybrid hound]

Does that mean if you get 2% in anguish you loot everything ornate?

[dapper torrent]

Maybe you can let us know when you get to anguish 200

[hybrid hound]

Give me 10 years, brb !

[dapper torrent]

If that's the way it works, then every 0.1% is more impactful than the last, so running high anguish would be far more effective for ornate hunting

[hidden mulch]

don't worry after anguish 398 and karmic boost we can crash the game

through division by 0

[sharp parrot]

Something else to factor in is that you can actually lose the fight and render all that time entirely wasted.

[lime aspen]

I lost one key by using the new button in tower, it made me click on "tower of strength" and I was killed before I could move again. Other than that the fight is hard but not unplayable.
Just reminding my fellow deities to equip a 80% dragon res for the boss so you don't die because of unstable omnimancy versus ultima. If you don't have one, keep your apex meter completely filled.

[turbid roost]

hey folks, does anyone have a screenshot of a complete yelbeghen codex?

[turbid roost]

tyvm

[static nimbus]

Sorry if this has been suggested before - but it may be useful to be able to exchange dragons heads for different types. May he tough to code with so many combos, but even not for a 1:1 basis would be great.

I recall this was implemented for the Fey Y event and it was super helpful.

[jovial yew]

We should have a quest to codex yelbeghen during the wyrmhunt, and it rewards us with a new accessory

👀

[patent notch]

306 items rolls from 9 dragon titan kills. Not a single ornate

Feels bad man

[reef crystal]

There’s a ~22% chance of that, that’s just how rng works

[patent notch]

oh i know

so far all my ornates are for gear i will never use

2 ornates

it's a big slog to have to mass farm dungeons, to then mass run towers

My Burnout-O-Meter is SUPER high right now

Death in any step of theses towers si super frustrating

and I hear a lot of people express frustration at getting 100k towerfalled which on top of doing the tower and grinding for the key i can imagine is just rough

[hidden mulch]

i was at 1800~ items, 4 ornates

don't worry

just wait another 6 months i guess

[static prairie]

Here is my daily post asking for the allowance of running yelb towers so long as you have keys after the event ends.

[hidden mulch]

your cries are swallowed by the void

[static prairie]

I'm going to hold out hope that they aren't. A huge part of why I enjoy Orna is that the mat farming and running bosses was always separated - after you have your spoils, you have been able to use them whenever. It would be trivially easy to add that to the new content for this event.

[severe spruce]

Would like to see that

[dapper torrent]

If they let the keys be used after the event you can just farm hundreds/thousands of keys during the event and just do yelbeghen infinitely forever after. Also if they change it late into the event it will piss me off because I could have just saved my keys instead of putting in hours seeking out wild towers to run while the event is active

That's the sort of thing that needs to implemented from the start of the event or else people will have wasted dozens of hours for nothing

[sharp parrot]

Counter:

Just because something has sucked for early adopters isn't really a good reason deny improvements for everyone moving forward.

Early adopters would benefit from no longer having to seek out random towers too.

will have wasted dozens of hours for nothing

And Odie's clearly ok with this. that's why failing towers leaves you with nothing.

[dapper torrent]

I wouldn't say it has sucked though, seeking out the towers is part of the event grinding experience. I understand people want to just sit at home and play their 5 towers a day but remember it's a GPS game.

[sharp parrot]

Monkey paw: Keys can be used whenever, but not on player built towers

[dapper torrent]

I just think it's too powerful to let it happen. You can quite easily farm keys so having the towers be the limiting factor makes sense. If you remove the limit then people can just farm a ridiculous number of keys and use them forever. I'm already sitting on more keys than I can use. This is supposed to be limited content

[sharp parrot]

2 fixes for Outside of event :

1. Only wild towers.
2. No double Yel drops.

[dapper torrent]

And trust me I'm at 70 kills and not one piece of gear that I want, so removing the limit would actually benefit me, I just don't see it as a good decision for the longevity of the game

[sharp parrot]

I'm at 15 or so, and completly burnt out on this. This event sucks for classes that can't quick sweep dungeons, it's painfully long, and then you can completely waste an hour by wiping in a tower (which also take too long)

[dapper torrent]

I know you're using beo so you already have dragon res, but have you tried using a 80% dragon res? It turns most of the dragons into tickle monsters

[sharp parrot]

As pure beo, I've only lost 1 yel fight, but it takes ages, due to the follower always making sure that yel keeps up his bone ward. Hitting through 80% DR takes ages.

I'm not particularly a good player though, as I've not really engaged with memory hunts / fishing, so outside of events, have no gear.

[static prairie]

Counterpoint: literally everyone is going to be spamming dungeons during this event for ornate jewels of creation for the entirety of the time they play orna. This event has been dungeon spam since its inception, and the change I proposed would simply revert it to that incentive-wise.

And every tower you run as yelb is a tower you lose shard profits from for 24h. I don't see why stockpiling keys for later use is too... anything.

Hell, giving you a break from dungeon spam if you want it is good enough imo.

[dapper torrent]

If I can run 5 yelbeghen a day for an unlimited period of time, statistically I can collect every piece of gear in ornate WELL before the event rolls around again

[static prairie]

what is your point?

All I see is "this event should be stuffed with FOMO"

The way it is set up now, the players that push degenerate amounts of time in will benefit and everyone else will burn out trying to do the same.

[dapper torrent]

That's literally the whole game

[static prairie]

you can never plan around the players who obsessively push events.

And no, that isn't literally the whole game. The reason I still play this game is because it hasn't burned me out.

[dapper torrent]

People who push degenerate amounts of time will ALWAYS have an advantage. What are ALs?

[static prairie]

I can grind dungeons for event materials, stockpile 80 raid scrolls and use them later. It allows me to not burn out.

The point is, this event is requring too much time input for attempts on the new boss.

I said earlier that I can only keep up with this because I'm on a chunk of time off. I would just lose out on most of this event if I worked through it.

[dapper torrent]

I disagree. Even if you only do 5 towers a day every day for this event, which isn't THAT much time investment, that's still 100 yel kills by the end of the event. That's still a decent probability of getting at least something good. People pushing more than 5 a day will obviously have a higher probability of getting what they want, just like anything you put more time into you will receive more out of. If people can stockpile thousands of keys and use them infinitely it just invalidates the event forever in the future

[static prairie]

and if I get incredibly bad luck? well fuck me I guess. I'm already disheartened that NF has allowed the stat blob event bosses to stay as gigantic stat blobs in towers... I've unshackled and lowered anguish, and I don't want to drop anguish completely just to farm this event 30% faster because then I just have to waste time later to get anguish mats.

and you aren't going to stockpile thousands of keys. Keep your examples within reality.

You are completely ignoring my point in that individual attempts require too much input. I don't even know what your point is, do you want me to go play raid shadow legends or something?

I don't know how to communicate this point to you that the direction change into stupid amounts of FOMO is wearing players down. I've been unable to push dungeons out because I'm losing the will to play already.

[gleaming flume]

I don't fully understand what you re refering to with "too much input"

[static prairie]

I can't aoe slam towers without lowering my anguish to essentially nothing. The event dragons have as much stats as enemies double my current anguish level.

[eternal harbor]

There is the option to farm keys now and hold onto the keys for the next time the event comes around, since events always repeat

[static prairie]

How does this help the FOMO aspect?

[gleaming flume]

About some points, I made a suggestion of "question mark" events appearing several times a month = short time events that may be a good way to balance a bit better the return of some important events

[static prairie]

"just don't do half the event" is not an acceptable answer.

[eternal harbor]

"just don't use anguish" should be though, imo.

Anguish is meant to make easy content more difficult, when the game adds more difficult content it makes sense that you can't run it on the same anguish level

[gleaming flume]

And you only know what event it is when it start. As I can understand it s a bit frustrating to have to wait too much for some events

[eternal harbor]

Because when the event repeats, you're only missing out temporarily

[dapper torrent]

FOMO would imply you can never get that gear again, no? The events repeat

[static prairie]

If it was a difference of a few anguish levels, I would agree. Event dragons are so far out of the norm in terms of balance for the towers and anguish we have now that it's ridiculous.

[gleaming flume]

You can run dungeons quickly, you can reduce anguish and so on to help a bit, that's what I used to do when needed

[eternal harbor]

Why do you think you are required to keep your anguish set up for running these towers?

I'm really confused about that aspect of your argument

[static prairie]

I'm halfway in between "non anguish is so boring I will lose interest in the game" and "anguish with dragons is unreasonable".

[eternal harbor]

To me I saw dragons in towers, whacked my anguish down to 1, and I've been enjoying the event ever since

[gleaming flume]

Same

[dapper torrent]

You can farm proofs all year around, better to run low anguish to get the gear faster then upgrade it throughout the year is my thinking

[gleaming flume]

If anguish slow you down too much, it's not as worth it as it seems

And to follow your view, if reducing it allow to farm tower quicker, you can also invest the time you gain on doing other anguish related things

[static prairie]

Like I'll admit, the first batch of towers were actually fun to figure out with anguish. But when absurdly high level players have to essentially turn the system off...

[gleaming flume]

I don't have to, I prefer to

[static prairie]

No, you just have to waste more proofs anguishing your new gear. the time is lost no matter.

[gleaming flume]

Quicker = more time I can spend on other things

Not if it frees some time

And I prefered to run them on low ang to invest the time earned running more tower while moving, or doing other contents

[static prairie]

I'll acknowledge that I'm in a bit of a "have your cake and eat it too" state here, I don't want to turn grinding this content into utter brainlessness because I was straight losing interest in this game before anguish 2.0. I've found ways to innovate and spam mel 7 dungeons with pre-buffs, builds that let me punch through event dragons with safety... but I don't want to shed all challenge.

I'll still complain about bad game design with stuff like the drakeblight turn 1 stunning, but I could get through it. I am going to burn out on this game if I continue down the path of seeking challenge, and I'm going to lose interest if it becomes utterly brainless again.

[gleaming flume]

This is a different topic. On this one I can partly agree with, but it's more related to anguish 2.0

[static prairie]

No, the topics are finely intertwined.

[gleaming flume]

Partly yes

[dapper torrent]

Imma be honest, it sounds like youre already burned out

[static prairie]

I'm frustrated, but I'm not burnt out. If I was burnt out I wouldn't be opening the game.

Regardless, I've complained enough for tonight.

[gleaming flume]

If you know the event will be back a bit more often - for 1 or 2 days here and there by "surprise" -, does it remove partly your current issue with this event ?

[static prairie]

No. That just means the game will demand my time in heavy short windows.

I said it before and I'll say it again: this game not demanding my time and allowing me to run the event boss months later is why I enjoy it. I pick a time I feel like hitting the boss a bunch and sit down and do it.

[dapper torrent]

Idk if "by surprise" is a good idea because then you can't plan around what events you want to grind. I wouldn't be against events repeating in shorter bursts though

[static prairie]

I mean if it's something like "this event raid boss is available", something like the fool, sure.

[gleaming flume]

That's what happen for most event I agree. But I m glad there is also this kind of event

[static prairie]

Maybe some enjoy this style, but it makes me resentful when I know something I need is locked behind a long time gate. I already detest the Morrigan event, I grinded it out once and got my lute and don't want to put major time into it again.

but when I can consume part of the content on my schedule, that just vanishes.

[gleaming flume]

And I m not sure what specific drop you re searching for, but on my side, I think a good part of event drop are not that mandatory to run contents. There are often alternatives, or if some drop are that much better than other, most of the time it's duable to live without having the top quality of it

[static prairie]

The greatstaff is a simple pure upgrade for me for aoe, and nothing in the game is comparable.

[gleaming flume]

But I agree with the idea of having better event turnover

[static prairie]

I already don't care about farming amities through amity shares, I have no choice but to optimize elsewhere.

[gleaming flume]

A legendary + is already a good drop. On my side, when event started, I was ok with not having luck and keep running with A trev

Of course greatstaff is better, but A Trev did the job and I was ok to keep running with it

[static prairie]

That's what I'm frustrated with though, 35 kills in and my highest staff is famed. I did get a greatsword to drop in barely ornate, but that's not going to be good for general use after the event because of the element.

[gleaming flume]

I would prefer an improvement of event turnover, especially for events seen as "good", rather than the suggestion you made - IIRC - of event tower outside of this event

[static prairie]

It's exactly why I want the event tower to be accessible so long as you have keys. Suddenly, the time pressure is immediately gone... and everyone is already farming dungeons nonstop anyways so barely anything changes within the event.

if you want to use some keys during the event, cool. if not, do them at your own pace.

[dapper torrent]

The problem is the keys are WAY too easy to farm, if that were to be the case the keys would have to be much more expensive

Which still makes the event a massive grind

[static prairie]

It doesn't matter how easy they are to farm, people are already mindlessly aoe spamming for jewels of creation.

[gleaming flume]

On my side, it would just partly remove the "event" aspect, and I don't really like this idea

[static prairie]

that's the entire point of my suggestion.

[dapper torrent]

Being able to farm Yel infinitely outside of the event because you can farm essentially infinite keys is a MASSIVE problem though

[static prairie]

You say that and I still don't see how it is a problem.

[sharp parrot]

It's no more of a problem than the 80 Fey Jorgmunder scrolls I'm sitting on.

And when I fail a Fey Jogmunder raid, I can go back in 15mins later until I whittle it down. The same can't be said for this event.

[gleaming flume]

On the other hand, knowing this event will be back more often for some time for a few days may be a good improvement, and a good suggestion : when a new event appear in the game, it appears more often on the next months

[static prairie]

There was no problem with me killing 100 sphinxes outside of the thronemaker event. That is why this event setup frustrates me.

The "boss scrolls" have a timing window on them.

[dapper torrent]

You can farm 100 Yels during the event just by doing your 5 OT towers daily with minimal grind

[static prairie]

I know the correct answer is to play this game less if it frustrates me, but it's a game that I have come to enjoy and somehow am not tired of 2 years later.

Yes, I have to turn the difficulty down to brainless.

[sharp parrot]

"just by doing your 5 towers" is a lot more than most will be doing.

That's ~4 hours each day for me, bugger that.

[gleaming flume]

4 hours ?

[sharp parrot]

To get the keys and complete 5 towers, yeah.

[gleaming flume]

Feels weird

[static prairie]

Not everyone is perfectly aoe face slamming this event.

[gleaming flume]

I m not saying the time I can do is the time everyone should. But 4 hours seems really slow for someone with 250 tag

[eternal harbor]

I was going to bring up Odie saying this was an endgame part of the event again, but OmenemO is the person he originally said it to

[static prairie]

I thought I couldn't see tags, but I can see Knight's? odd.

[eternal harbor]

I think the Orna server may have lost it's tag?

[sharp parrot]

Takes me ~4 horde gauntlets to get the keys, at around 10mins each, 10mins to get to yelm, 10mins to defeat yelm.

[eternal harbor]

Oh, maybe not. Odie still has it

[static prairie]

Yeah I can't see the 250 that got tagged on me not too long ago, weird.

[sharp parrot]

(click the name to see the tags, they don't show up beside names anymore)

[static prairie]

Ah that explains it.

[spring arch]

Should raid scrolls only be usable inside their respective event window?

[static prairie]

Oh freaking derp I'm in the compact mode

[gleaming flume]

10 mins for horde ? You asked for advices, builds ?
And additionnaly, you answered to people who offered party runs ? 😅

[static prairie]

This is what sustained complaining does to your brain

[eternal harbor]

Tbh I'd say yes if it wasn't for the horrible lag caused by spamming raids

[sharp parrot]

I'll pick off the trash, and wait for ASG to hit the tanky dragons. Some floors will be done in 2 rounds, some in 6+

Doesn't really seem like it's a long time to me.

[static prairie]

I have to wholeheartedly disagree that they should, otherwise events like great felling just lose meaning.

[eternal harbor]

I'm not a fan of the "don't kill your event raids until there's a great felling event" efficiency meta

But that's besides the point of this thread

[sharp parrot]

Note: I'm not really after build advice. Just pointing out the perspective from someone who's not 1 shotting everything.

[dapper torrent]

No I don't, I think that having a variety of different event mechanics is good and not every event should be infinitely farmable

[static prairie]

Fair. I agree with you on this, I just don't mind because it's spread over 3 days and way less of an issue now with raid luck.

[gleaming flume]

You maybe missed you can use the new event gear in normal quality to have better results. You can ask for some advices in OL/GS channel.
Additionnaly, you can also ask for party runs, there are people doing some party play, on the english in game chat for exemple.
And last, if needed, you can also run T9 dungeons, as all keys are available

[eternal harbor]

I think Goudine's point OmenemO is that you're not 1 shotting everything, but there's a chance you could be (or like, 2-3 shotting everything)

The event probably doesn't need to be as slow as you're making it, depending on what you have available to you

[static prairie]

On the infinitely farmable point, would you be a fan of a grace period after the event for using yelb keys? A week, a month, not really thinking of a specific time but just a post-event time of some sort.

[gleaming flume]

Yes, definitely there are some space for better runs. GS has never been greatest for wyrmhunting, but 10 mins is something you could at least halved asking for some advices on OL/GS channel

[static prairie]

It would definitely hit the notes I'm after, since I doubt I'll end up with so many keys I can't use them in that time period.

[gleaming flume]

I would prefer the event to back for 3-4 days in september and same for october.

[static prairie]

Goudine do you mean as a monthly thing?

[dapper torrent]

I think you're underestimating how easy it is to farm these keys. Someone could easily end up with 1k+ keys if they grind enough. I'm already farming more keys than I can use each day and I'm doing ~10 towers a day. If you removed the time spent finding and runnign towers I could probably grind like 50 keys a day easy

[gleaming flume]

Best would be, if it's something NF think they ll do, to have an announcement before the end of the event, so players with same kind of concerns may feel some release

[gleaming flume]

#💡│suggestions message

[static prairie]

If you are doing 10 towers a day you are already in the "degenerate amounts of effort" area. (Not calling you a degenerate, to be clear)

[dapper torrent]

Oh no I'm absolutely putting degenerate amounts of hours in, not even gonna deny it

[gleaming flume]

I made this suggestion thinking about the current event, as this kind of thing (not specificaly ❓event but a return of new event of the next months) may be a good way, and a good in between

[static prairie]

The more I look at that, the more I'm not a fan of it. It could be cool, but if you have a life event that day, or a particularly busy day at work, or whatever... it will just annoy you to miss it.

That and one day of an event, unless it is raid boss access or something, doesn't really give you enough time to do much.

[gleaming flume]

That's why I said this kind of thing

[static prairie]

Ah, I thought you were talking about that exact execution.

[gleaming flume]

It's a first step suggestion, that may requires some adjust

[static prairie]

If it was that but for a few days, or a week, that would honestly be kind of neat.

[eternal harbor]

1 day events were one of the reasons I quit Pokemon Go

[dapper torrent]

I think a solution I would like to see would be having certain events that people see as "essential" come back for a week maybe like every 3 months or something. Then you can plan around what events you want to do and it doesn't feel as restrictive as events being yearly.

[static prairie]

surprise tertiary event in the middle of your secondary event doesn't sound bad to me

[gleaming flume]

So, regarding this, what about having 3-4 days event return on the next months after new important event

[eternal harbor]

Instead of this, I'd rather other events offer more alternative items that do similar but not the same thing

At least for the "essential" items

[static prairie]

Honestly I'm not even sure of what a proper cadence for important events is, 3 months is better than now but still feels kind of bad.

[gleaming flume]

I think "both is good"

[eternal harbor]

The biggest offender of this is Crimson Festival. The only event with 4% crit adornments, which are absolutely required for endgame builds on most classes

[sharp parrot]

My dungeon gear is fairly decent, it's just not that quick on BeoA when you come up against bastioning dragons. I can't kill them, so wait for ASG to do it.

[gleaming flume]

For wyrm, it's august and january currently
What about 3-4 days in september + 3-4 days in november ?

[dapper torrent]

I do agree with you, but just pointing out that until crimson festival came around I was able to get by ok with ashen pinions/turul feathers. They are definitely an improvement but not necessarily "absolutely required"

[static prairie]

This is probably the core of it now, that we have specific hard BiS items that demand this short term grind.

[gleaming flume]

Oh I thought you were talking about ancient dragon. As Beo 250, you have definitely to go to OL/Beo channel because there are a bunch of advices that may turn your 10 minutes into 2-3

[fiery pier]

IMO theres a lot of events that different builds will consider 'essential,' I think the 6 month cadence is pretty fair for most events, given that theres already 3-4 events in any given month

[sharp parrot]

As I said, each horde dungeon ~ 10mins. (but I need 4 for keys)
10mins to get to yelm
10mins to fight yelm

~1 hour per run.

[gleaming flume]

And oh my, 192 A Trev.... Go to OL, now 😅

[eternal harbor]

Yeah, I am happy with the twice a year cadence (+ the Christmas insanity) for specifc events

[sharp parrot]

I don't think that's an unrealistic time.

[fiery pier]

Arisen waygate also helps offset some of the raid specific drops

[eternal harbor]

If and when they happen 😅

[fiery pier]

If you feel like the towers are too slow/challenging for your build, then maybe use this event to gather keys and get the dungeon based drops, which are still very good, and max out your godforges and focus on yelbeghen next time. Its designed to be late game content

[eternal harbor]

But that's a fair point, Ferocious Cerus ends up in an Arisen Waygate and that's the supplemental Fero eyes someone needs to get by until the event

Or whatever else

[gleaming flume]

https://discord.com/channels/748188991852904621/811254803199164436
Just send in Beo channel "I m 250 I have a 192 A Trev staff and need some advices for my dungeon wyrm build" 🙏🏻

[sharp parrot]

Why, I'll get told to go BeoH, or change class entirely, which I don't want to do.

If it's a fast event for some, I'm happy for them. But for many it's not and it's worth baring in mind.

[gleaming flume]

I also agree. Just wanted to maybe find some kind of in between, but not sure it's the best for the game, idk

[fiery pier]

I think Odie hit the nail on the head saying there is a group of players who are eagerly seeking slow-burn late game content. This event really feels layered now in a way that other events do not.

[gleaming flume]

I don't fully understand your complain when you have easy opportunity to reduce drasticaly the time you spend doing dungeons with switching to the same class but other celestial version. But you have your reasons and I respect it then 🙏🏻

[sharp parrot]

I've not complained, just offered a counter point to "it's fast"

[gleaming flume]

Well, then you should be fair and say "it could be fast but I decide to run it slow" 😱

[sharp parrot]

It could be fast if I want to abandon the class / playstyle that drew me to the game, and do something entirely different, because I happen to have meta weapons that lots don't.

Once again, it's not fast for everyone. I'm pointing that out, and not everyone has the gear I've accumulated over 3 years.

[fiery pier]

I think what Goudine is trying to say is you don't have to change your playstyle/class, I think there are optimizations to be made within your build as someone who doesn't play the class.

[gleaming flume]

No I just didn't know he wants to stay on BeoA for the event, I have no idea about BeoA build for wyrmhunt as I mainly saw people running BeoH for it, with new 2h skills - or sweep/MD before

[static prairie]

I don't see it. No new event can sustain against late game player power, the only slow burn content that will work for that is anguish 2.0... and that simply doesn't work with this event unless you are at least 3 digit ALs.

[sharp parrot]

Swapping from "buff my AOE pet" to "boost my personal damage" is already a change in playstyle.

I'm not after optimisations, and I'm not complaining. I don't think 1h / run is unreasonable for endgame content. I just wanted to point out that "just 5 towers a day" is a significant time investment for many players.

[glossy lynx]

imo, there is already a ton of content in Wyrmhunt that meets the needs of most players. The tower is really there who are looking for a new endgame challenge on top of all that

[fiery pier]

I mean playstle aside, even the build you posted is exceeding the luck cap with a dowsing rod even if you drop the concord, you could in theory supplement with more damage there alone by including a trevors charm or whatever else helps your build. Thats assuming you're also getting no luck from other external sources.

[sharp parrot]

As a BeoA those dragons are beyond me, even in my full "WannaBeoH" loadout.

I'm already oneshotting the trash, so ASG only has the hard ones left. Extra personal damage isn't going to be useful.

[static prairie]

Odie if you don't mind me asking, what is driving the requirement that the yelbeghen keys only be used during the event? Is there any thought to allowing those keys to be used outside of the event window?

[fiery pier]

I'm not a beo main so just asking, the dragons generally resist half of ASGs spells while being weak to dragon, is there not a relaible dragon pet you can use if thats the main job of your pet?

[sharp parrot]

Over the past few days I've found that ASG is still faster than Chimera / Selene. If I get lucky with crits, it can still 1 shot the dragons.

[eternal harbor]

I wonder how Bashe is (the pet)

[glossy lynx]

I don’t have a strong opinion on the matter

Orna is generally designed to only have event content accessible during the event. Scrolls are currently the outlier

[sharp parrot]

Slower, it has to debuff before hurting lots.

[eternal harbor]

Yeah I guess Bashe wanting to apply his debuff could be a problem. He seems to have strong single target dragon attacks

[sharp parrot]

Bashe is basically slightly slower than selene. Similar single target, but no sweep / All upx3 buff.

[static prairie]

Aye, thanks for the response. I can see the rationale for it, I've just found orna to be a huge outlier (in a good way) in allowing you to burn event scrolls at your leisure.

[eternal harbor]

Ashen Phoenix on BeoA might be smart enough to Lusus Naturae?

I'll stop lol, I don't know Beo enough

[static prairie]

It's just rare to see mobile games these days that lean more towards respecting your time.

[sharp parrot]

It's only hitting for 200k on a crit, slower than selene/ bashe / chimera.

Good thought though, I hadn't considered it.

[eternal harbor]

My last suggestion is actually The Mightiest Mimic, because Ultima does melt dragons (if the +follower AI makes it use it more consistently)

[static prairie]

Eh, wouldn't recommend that. two elements get resisted on every dragon, and you don't even get ultima being spammed since basic elements are not immuned.

Maybe for a hybrid base Beo setup since it buffs nicely, but I don't see it being good for damage in this event.

[sharp parrot]

Mightiest Mimic is hitting around 395k on a crit, actually seems decent.

[eternal harbor]

Yeah that's why I stipulated the "if +follower AI works"

Not playing Beo, I really don't know

All I know is that it makes people write bug reports about ASG when an enemy is immune to elemental spells 😆

[sharp parrot]

TMM seems on par with ASG / Selene for the dungeon. Will fall off in the tower though.

[static prairie]

It's much, much better when dealing with straight immunities on single-element skills. Selene is kind of nice now because you see lunarstrikes only if not eveery enemy immunes it.

I remember the good old days of my only aoe being selene and seeing her slam 3 lunarstrikes into a pegasus pack in towers.

[sharp parrot]

The "oh shit" gotta swap to cactus horde.

[static prairie]

I don't miss lazily running cactus in towers.

[vocal crater]

Just some quick thoughts: with dowsing rod active, switch Concord either to trev charm (BL2 damage) or beo charm (Pet damage). I would change some adorns to get full Crit (with wyrms song active, you should need something like 6 ashen pinions), so that you reliably one shot the smaller enemies (and afterwards you can hit large lp dragons with viperseal), while mmc or so is taking care of the bigger enemies. With mmc, I would think about Aaru Robe for always t.mag+++ active, which helps your and your pets damage a lot.

[sharp parrot]

I swap from that cuirass, to houserobes of dynasty (2 turn deific channel) and then ASG provides the T.mag+++

I'm already 1 shotting trash. I don't see the need to worry about personal damage, it doesn't make a meaningful difference at this point. I don't reduce the amount of turns ASG takes to kill the dragons, so once trash is done I'll generate more ward turns / clear debuffs.

[vocal crater]

But with crits (and standard non temp buffs plus t.mag+++), you should make 150k+ damage to each enemy. And with viperseal 3,rather 300-400k (for low AL). I think this should speed up the dungeons, or not?

[sharp parrot]

hmm, I've not unlocked viperseal 3 yet, will look into that later, viperseal 2 was basically still just tickling the dragons compared to my ASG output.

[vocal crater]

I switched from beoh to base beo for a quick test in a dungeon. I have only buffed wyvern speed, wyrms song and snotra. If mmc crits (around 50%), the damage is of course higher, but also your own damage would be quite good.

(with 40% crit amity and tamer spec )

PS For viperseal, you also need 95% crit or 75% plus wyrms song, to reliably Crit.

[lime aspen]

I've 40 more Lotan than Illuyanka, and I didn't even farm that much.

[frank fog]

Before we used to be able to summon event raids at our home and clean them up later on but with this event we can't. I don't have much time to farm both keys AND towers at the same time so that means I'm greatly hindered if I can't burn those keys later on. I hope maybe Odie you will reconsider letting us do that later on. But to be honest, people say 'yeah but that will lead people over farming and stacking up'.
Guess what guys.. the sweaty try hards that will do that are already burning 100 Yel keys per week so don't worry they will be fine either way.. but people that don't have 10h per day to play will be more impacted with one way or another.

[toxic galleon]

while the mage weapon (yelmogus greatstaff) is amazing, I think us mages did get the short end of the stick armor wise. Yel mage armor stats aren't particularly great, and the flask power passive only seems to work on blood ray and mana ray flasks, not repetition flask (or maybe the passive doesn't work at all lol, it's kind of hard to test with the flask damage variances). Nobody really uses mana ray flask for the damage, so it's mainly bloodray flask that this would be used with. But I cant really think of builds bloodray builds that would use this gear. In bof you probably still want to use beguiled gear because it comes with flask charge and foresight, but with yel gear you dont have foresight. I dont know if I'm missing something but it seems quite underwhelming

[reef gazelle]

A ~10 Minute HP bloated tower with a 5% change to almost always instantly die if the gods feel like it turn 1, to get 2 chances for the equipment you want - and not only that, no, you have to go into the dungeons and kill the HP bloated dragons.

I know we tried to be creative, but all that happened IMO is creating a giant FOMO event with really, really good gear, that is insane hard and completely unfun to aqquire (capping a tower at the level where you usually start killing cause the shard gain is good enough is cruel, the 25% shard increase dont do much for it.)

Ways i see to improve this:

• Make the sus dragon roll its loot 5 times, or significantly increase the ornate chance
• If the dragons in towers dont drop heads, for whatever reason but torment (got it?), at least give them a HP malus, its not fun
• GIve us an alternative way to get the gear, which is not random, like monumental guild
• Reduce the floors of the tower, 25 is cruel, its exactly where it starts becoming good killing, and the way there is usually the boring part of the tower, where you just want to be done ASAP

Things i like:

• We finally got a good meele AoE weapon, but its locked behind the worst grind i can think of in modern orna
• Extremely good gear, but same issue

Oh, and adding to that, i ran a Anguish 8 shackled tower against yel, and i got a non-anguished chestplate.
I dont know if thats desired, but wasting this much extra time to not even get anguished yel gear is frustrating.

[hidden mulch]

Anguish bug was fixed

[frank fog]

You forgot to mention you’re likely to only get white loot… wait… you did… checked 🤣
So far I’ve killed it 13 times and saw 1 legendary 1 blue

Damn

[hidden mulch]

Part I dislike is that this entire event is at the very best a grind fest deluxe (orna, somehow kill a ton of yels a day) or rng hell on average

Again this is moreso for hoa but I hate having to actually coinflip my items without being able to max grind them

[eternal harbor]

I'm still having a lot of fun and this is one of my favorite event grinds implemented

[hidden mulch]

It's fun, yes

[eternal harbor]

I am sympathetic toward the HOA issue though

[hidden mulch]

But the rng is absolutely atrocious because I don't have a method to out grind bad luck

[eternal harbor]

For Orna, I like the event as it is

[hidden mulch]

Like I've been saying this since day 1 but now I'm a bit of a victim of the rng issues

5 ornates, 86 kills

[proven basin]

what's the hoa problem?

only having access to 5 towers?

or are their dungeons limited?

[eternal harbor]

HoA only has 10 towers (5 world, 5 built)

Which is a lot, yeah, but some people have been maxing out all 10 per day

[proven basin]

that a day? more than enough
but then again I'm sure some people wanna run 16h

doesn't really feel like a problem at least you don't have to search for wild ones

[eternal harbor]

I mean you can say "more than enough", but it's not a good feeling when players have literally nothing they can do to grind the event more

In Orna we can always find more towers

The HoA 10 tower limit also means that if someone doesn't feel like grinding towers for a day and gets extra keys they can't use them

Last day of the event and you have 15 keys? Oh well

Whereas in Orna that is a problem you can solve with driving/transit

[proven basin]

maybe they can petition to have yelb in monuments, was a fun hour when it was possible

but yeah i get the idea

[eternal harbor]

That'd be OP as hell and completely negate the need to grind towers or dungeons

[proven basin]

agree but rushing to do my monuments before it get patched was top 5 orna experience

[eternal harbor]

Yeah, because it was OP 😆

[hidden mulch]

funny that you say that

[reef gazelle]

Beeing forced to only do the bad part of towers over and over to get a chance of a decent item is so inconsiderate of a design decision... I do hope stuff like that never happens again

[lyric solar]

(Under the strict perspective that you desire Tower Shards and nothing else from towers)

[reef gazelle]

I go for towers when i want to farm shards, titan augments, proofs, or i usually do something else
For me personally, im forced to do the part of the tower im not interested in, to farm basically stuff that is easily BiS gear

[reef gazelle]

Dont get me wrong, i love the approach of trying to do something new and interesting with the limited content types we have - just, wish it was less brutal.

i have 5 towers at home this week... i may get lucky, or i just pray i the FOMO wont hurt too bad not pushing through something thats not fun for me at all to aquire basically mandatory gear

[worthy stag]

For my part, I love the concept of new event titans being introduce. Thus forcing players out of their content of comfort to get the best stuff.

The only downside is the slow grind, you are indeed forced to wait 1 day to farm again the same towers.

Gladly you can build 5 and their size doesn't matter

[eternal harbor]

Well, now that the luck idea has been officially dispelled, there's a theory going around that the size of the original tower may effect drops 😆

[worthy stag]

Btw do you have info on Ornate increase chance affecting Titan loot ?

Or is it too linked to Tower sizes ?

[eternal harbor]

I do, I have very specific info that I've been copy-pasting repeatedly the past two weeks lmao

[worthy stag]

Didn't see it sorry

[eternal harbor]

^ This is refering to a 1% boost

[worthy stag]

yeah but that's for regular monsters

[eternal harbor]

Titans are influenced the same way (per a message from Odie when the Sphinx Tail was added)

[worthy stag]

like luck, it doesn't apply on Raids, but what about Titans ?

oh ok

so you can boost it through Sphinx tail's and Torment path, nice

[frank fog]

Honestly I always and will always think sphinx tail and that new buff with 1% is just a placebo effect and is a ridiculous choice compared to having immunities accessories or stats or something useful. Not worth the time and effort to use it.

[hidden mulch]

So don't

[worthy stag]

Actually it is exponential until you reach 199 bonus ornate

[patent notch]

I am at the point where i think it is an horribke chore to farm the new tower boss

I am al 50 and i can still get 1 round killed if the dragons decides so

I am going to burnout from this game before i get what i want for sure

The boss is not even that hard compared to some of the tower packs

[hidden mulch]

how do you get otked

full stasis build?

[patent notch]

sorry kid, what does that even mean?

[hidden mulch]

one turn killed

[patent notch]

Usualy Ymir packs with them all deciding to hit on first turn

[hidden mulch]

what class

[patent notch]

RS

[hidden mulch]

oh ok figures

yeah just ditch bof and go full tank

or woo first turn with an actual decent 2h

[patent notch]

Again luck based, but when you have to do 25 floors of towers for every attempt at the boss, luck stacks against you once in a while

[static prairie]

I found that starting ward alone is mostly sufficient until you start hitting packs with multiple Bashes. 80% dragon resist amity alongside starting ward mostly solves survival issues since it makes bashe and Ymir ultima do basically nothing and hits the lusus naturae that a bunch of the event dragons possess.

If you are fine with opening WoO and don't absolutely need Mammoth to survive, steward golem can upkeep ward turns and give 4 basic element resists which mitigates almost everything else (except for gorynych).

[frank fog]

I love when you need to ditch your class identity to fit the 'new gameplay' like Gilga having to play kinda swash and att to get ss3 damage, deity same, RS having to play tank

being sarcastic ofc

[reef crystal]

So what’s the alternative? Making all events be equally as easy to all class archetypes? That would just kill the need to actually think and adapt your builds to different content

[frank fog]

I don't know, maybe not make stupid decisions gameplay wise to completely change a class identity to something that it is not? I know people that play Gilga because they want to play TANK, DEFENSE and WARD... otherwise they would play RS? don't know

[reef crystal]

If you’re playing RS, there’s literally a celestial RS class made for this kind of content

People just want free events

[wooden badger]

Or just go Beo with the Gilgamesh gear you spent years farming for and do 2x-4x more damage than you’d be capable of doing with gilga unless you have ridiculously high AL

[patent notch]

80% dragon resist is nice if you had one, you don't just find them in the oracle shop for it to be grabed

[wooden badger]

I think it’s less that, and more being able to play how you want, with the time investment you’ve spent into it

[reef crystal]

Just use a bulwark or a mighty griffin shield?

[frank fog]

where did I say I wanted free event... so asking to have matching gameplay with your class means to have free event? ok man

[patent notch]

Urring 2hands I would have to find myself a whole new 1h weapon... bulwark, a bit late to level one up in the blacksmith.....

[reef crystal]

You’re asking to literally not have to adapt to different content. If your one build clears every event, then every event is free

[patent notch]

I think any early t10 player are excluded from the tower part of this event

[frank fog]

Ok, I won't bother explaining anything, you're playing optuse for some weird reason.

[reef crystal]

That’s kinda on you for not building multiple gear for different situations. It’s not like this event is new

[patent notch]

I don't think anyone who is not "deep" into their t10-t11 can feasibly do the towers

[patent notch]

AHAHAHAHAH what?!?!?

[wooden badger]

Not all of us can play for 10 hours a day, or intentionally look for exploits.
Some of us have full time jobs with 20+ extra hours needed/children and real life responsibilities. Gaiting the event with the idea of “you have to do it this way” really sucks the fun out of it

[patent notch]

"this event is not new"

talking about the tower part that is brand new

[reef crystal]

You’re facing the same monsters you face in horde dungeons

[patent notch]

How dare I havent figured how to minmax this event day 1

[wooden badger]

Welcome to Orna. Shamed for being casual, and shamed for not following the meta

[patent notch]

yeah sure, horde dungeons where I can sweet through them because I am already full buffed by the time I face them

[reef crystal]

It’s not rocket science, it’s “use something that gives dragon resist”

[patent notch]

Is there any accessories that give dragon resist like all the other elements?

[static prairie]

Agreed, but it doesn't solve the problem of mobs being as tanky as they are in dungeons.

Sadly the only things that solve that are an absurdly optimized aoe setup or turning anguish off.

[patent notch]

I wish people with shitty comments had their AL next to it so I can disregard any of them that havent done low-gear variety/low-AL content in a while

"just have a working set of every possible build dummy!"

[reef crystal]

Odie himself has stated he intends it to be late lategame content. If people are unable to effectively clear, they should either adapt or focus on farming keys to use them when the event comes back

[static prairie]

Odie also said he currently has no strong opinion on whether keys might become usable outside of the event.

[patent notch]

that would be amazing because the keys are rightfully a pain in the ass to mass farm, but using them is also quite draining, combining both farming keys and farming towers is quick to drain my enjoyement of the game

[reef crystal]

I literally cleared a tower on my AL4 Beo last night. If you want I can write you a guide

[wooden badger]

That’s like easy mode, Beo is immune to dragon so it’s pretty self explanatory

[patent notch]

Being seems to be ironicly great for the towers, being dragon imuned, it's a crying shame there is no gear tailored for them

[static prairie]

Clearing the tower is not hard. The issue is that it is time consuming.

[patent notch]

Still somewhat silly how the dragon event, giving tons of dragon pets, with a class themed around ... dragons... gets almost nothing

[reef crystal]

That just means everyone can clear them as long as they have the class unlocked them. If there’s a “free” way to clear it, what are people complaining about?

[wooden badger]

I can barely get the time to finish regular towers let alone the time to farm for both
That’s my issue

[patent notch]

what pet do you use with Boe?

[reef crystal]

Cactus. The alt doesn’t have event pets

[static prairie]

I kind of wish there was no time constraint on using keys because I do enjoy slamming my head against torment 7 yelb towers here and there, but when I have to consume them en masse like a machine I can't enjoy that factor.

[wooden badger]

Maybe we don’t want to be gated to just using beo?

[reef crystal]

RS clears easily with Dorado (since that’s the class people were mentioning just now).

I’m assuming the class that probably has the hardest time is GS, since at low AL all it takes is 1-2 good hits to kill you

Every other class should have no issues

[patent notch]

I think quite frankly I ma just going to farm keys and skip farming the thinblade, as much as I want it, even if things were a tiny bit smoother, I am going to burnout from the game with how time consuming and on timers this event is

with towers having 23 hour cooldowns

[reef crystal]

That’s a fair strategy. No event is worth burning out over

[patent notch]

if the towers were 10 floors, it would drasticly cut the time, but at that point, why make it a tower thing if you fix it by cutting the number of floors

[static prairie]

It would be less of a slog if the tower packs were better designed. There are is a pack with 5 boss-level scaling dragons, a handful with 3 boss-level scaling dragons, and all event dragons t8 and up scale absurdly hard compared to anything in current content.

Ymir + 2x Bashe + 2x Gorynych isn't challenging, it's just tedious.

[patent notch]

Half the dragon packs are nice and smooth, the others, with 200K each get real rough in all their outputs

[reef crystal]

Friendly reminder that anguish 2.0 was designed as a difficulty modifier to use when you’re easily clearing content. If these specific towers aren’t easy for you, you probably should be toning torment levels down

[static prairie]

My dude. Those dragons are the equivalent of tower packs with 5 arisen mammons.

There is a reason that doesn't exist in this game.

[reef crystal]

There is a reason NF is calling this very lategame content

[static prairie]

The scaling on those things far surpasses 99% of all enemies currently in towers.

[patent notch]

why do you think we are doing it in anguish?

[static prairie]

It's called terrible balancing.

[patent notch]

I forgot 100 AL is Lategame

[static prairie]

I'll admit I was, but I've had to turn it down to not burn out.

[patent notch]

anyway

[reef crystal]

Here’s my reasoning when approaching this event:

• I want a lot of gear from the tower boss
• I also don’t want to burnout, and I know spamming towers for long periods does that to me.

Given those 2 conditions, I immediately lowered both dungeon and tower anguish to level 1. That way, I clear dungeons quickly and speedrun the towers in between wayvessel cooldowns.

[patent notch]

I am going to check if I have any gear that I can use that has dragon element, shame Vritria charm does not give dragon resist

[reef crystal]

Both towers and dungeons are fast and I don’t have to feel stressed that I might waste a key

[static prairie]

Just enchant your weapon with dragon element, I made a dragon element SS3 build when I was trying it on torment 7.

[patent notch]

I have a dragon element weapon

It does not provide resistance

unless something's wrong

[static prairie]

Ah, you meant resist.

[patent notch]

yeah

[static prairie]

Only the Ymir Coild Shield and Bulwark come to mind.

[reef crystal]

Mighty griffin shield as well

[frank fog]

given all the sweaty in maincord, this is considered low/mid level nowadays

[reef crystal]

What gear are you running? Are you on base RS or dorado?

[patent notch]

lol godforged my armor in 10 floors of dungeon thanks to it having the +1 godforge chance and having the riftbreak buff

[patent notch]

i run base RS

[hidden mulch]

the +1 gf chance is 1/200 to 1/199

[patent notch]

runs super smooth for all the content except the the ymir packs

rifyubreak gives 25% godforge chance

[reef crystal]

I’d probably recommend dorado so you’re not dependent on a ward start amity/cata

[analog thunder]

Gained another turn ward of bone gained another turn ward of bone gained another turn ward of bone gained another turn ward of bone...

[reef crystal]

You also mentioned running a 2h setup. That usually leaves base RS too frail, a 1h setup would allow you to run a dragon immunity shield

[patent notch]

100k ward
40k HP

[hidden mulch]

what ang are you running

[patent notch]

1

just to have my anguish gear bonus which is better than not having anguish

[hidden mulch]

strange

maybe im just running a ton of res

because im 18k hp, not even using woo vs ymir packs

[patent notch]

oh nice, just got 3% ward recovery from rerolling my chest's 1% godforging chance bonus

[static prairie]

Res doesn't save you from Bashe. On unshackled Anguish 6, I entered a battle with drakeblight and got turn 1 crit for 27k by a Bashe Beaststrike.

(you better be running a dragon resist amity you crazy person)

[hidden mulch]

hell no

crit amity

if i feel lazy i just dont woo

most of the time i do though

only been punished like twice

(a bit under 90 kc on yel)

[eternal harbor]

I can record a full Yel tower for how I run it as Realmshifter AL 80, but that might be high enough AL where it's not a good example

[hidden mulch]

def not a good example

because higher al is a different game

[eternal harbor]

AL 80 is not that different from AL 50 on a power level perspective

[hidden mulch]

no

[static prairie]

I think about AL50+ is where stuff stops making sense for someone not at t11 yet.

[toxic galleon]

torment 5 and shackle

[patent notch]

i am curious of your loadout to see if any is prep or event lock

[eternal harbor]

Every floor I'm just going into swinging with Envy spam. If all that's alive is a Ymir I'll drop an Ultimastrikes

Dorado/BoF

[static prairie]

Does your envy usually murder everything? even the bashe/gorynych?

[patent notch]

wintamer?

[eternal harbor]

After several (usually 2, sometimes 3) hits

[static prairie]

You are so set when you get a good yelbeghen sword

[eternal harbor]

More like "if" lol

[eternal harbor]

It's just a high ward low def item, really not needed

It has foresight that matters for non-Yel towers

[patent notch]

biggest thing i see is that you have more avidity chance adornaments

[static prairie]

If you delude yourself hard enough, it may become reality.

[patent notch]

which is what can kill me in my envy spam if I go with envy

[eternal harbor]

Yes, I'm running max avidity

-# ||( I haven't checked recently so I'm totally ready for someone to call me out and say I'm not lol )||

[static prairie]

Did you say you were running an anguish 1 Knight? I look at that build and unless you have starting ward turns on the legs I'd be scared going into every battle.

However I have no idea how RS tankiness works in pve so that's mostly my own ignorance.

[eternal harbor]

Realmshifter Dorado has starting ward turns

I'm doing Anguish 2

[static prairie]

Ah, that explains some of it.

[eternal harbor]

I'll record a tower, it's a decent example

[elder sun]

4 * 1 + 12 * 0,5 = 10%

so yeah that's cap

[patent notch]

i got a broken thief helm from the tower dragon I am wondering if it would be an upgrade compared to crown

free avidity

[eternal harbor]

Definitely could be. The ward loss is kind of bad though

[patent notch]

multi hit damage boost

true

[static prairie]

Do you have any eostre crowns? probably too much defense on those though.

[patent notch]

just need 30 extra AL easy!

[static prairie]

err, eostre circlets.

[patent notch]

i used to have a super tank build that did shit damage, last year i managed to get a good pumpkinless set

i am turbo casual in terms of gear variety and I am awfully undergeared in the adornament variety I don't think i have any kity bristles to do an avidity set

I am AL 50 because I did a ton of oracle stacking

last month? bonus got me from al 27 to 50 while I got my oracle guild from 20 something to 80

[eternal harbor]

Dorado/BoF climbing a Yelb tower

Base RS/Raider killing Yelb

[eternal harbor]

To explain the Realmstrikes -> Ultimastrikes -> Realmstrikes:
Because of Cleave's bleeding I'm only safe to do Ultimastrikes when Yelb himself is in the middle of a 2-turn move like Ultima or Towerfall

And even then there's a slight chance he could get an avidity turn, use cleave, cause bleeding, and I'd die. But that's a lot of RNG rolls that need to go against me.

[patent notch]

alright done with my dungeon round... lets see

[hidden mulch]

high apm gaming

[patent notch]

thankfully that boss is the least of my worries

[patent notch]

yeah at 3:05 is exactly my situation

100% luck based on if I get extra turns, if my pet does WoO, if they will status lock me, etc

what makes it worse is if the first chest in the tower gave me dragonblight

as I usualy only open the first few chest as normaly i can get 4-5 buffs before blight drops

[analog thunder]

Gg climbing one of these takes me an hour and a half including boss

[eternal harbor]

The envies will continue until morale improves 😆

I have had twice I think where RNG rolls poorly enough that I force quit and restart the fight. I won't take big risks with how valuable these keys are

You can see why I use max avidity % though

[patent notch]

yeah

i also restart fight if things go bad

I think i will just skip chests going forward and be fine

Envy maxiung seems to pay off a ton

[queen tinsel]

Skipping chests entirely turned my 15 minute climbs to yel into 10 minute climbs to yel

And then yel ward of bone spam adds 5 minutes just by itself

[dapper torrent]

I'm not playing meta AT ALL, I don't have high AL's, I don't have a bunch of high quality event gear, and the towers aren't a problem for me. I think some of you just refuse to adapt to new content that is SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT

[jovial yew]

The sabotage chests are wild though, after learning the consequences, you realize quickly they aren't worth grabbing

[dapper torrent]

Like I get not everyone has 10+ hours a day to grind orna, so don't. The dungeons still have plenty of good loot, the towers drop proofs like crazy, there's still plenty of good stuff in the event outside yelb. You can't just expect to play for 1-2 hours a day and get all the best loot from the hardest content in the game

I still grab the chests for the free berserk buff. At first I didn't like them but then I adapted my build that I just don't care about drakeblight anymore

[eternal harbor]

Depends on your class and safety levels, imo. In all of my clears I grab every chest

[jovial yew]

True, personally I avoid the chests like the plaque, as even beserk could ruin my run lmao

[eternal harbor]

(because even if I get Att and berserk before getting Drakeblight, old habits die hard and I keep grabbing them 🙃 )

[dapper torrent]

Anyway I'm loving the aesthetic of the event, every time I hit Yel I have to stop for a second to admire his crumbling boss arena

[hidden mulch]

guy was too fat to get to floor 50

unfortunate

[jovial yew]

Just to be met with depression

[jovial yew]

Imagine they bring raids mid tower back, and yel is one of them 🤣💀

[static prairie]

No one is saying the content is difficult, it's just full of questionable design decisions because it's fresh.

[dapper torrent]

When I got home from work I read through everything and there were multiple posts complaining about the difficulty, I know that's not your particular issue with the event but that post wasn't directed at you

[static prairie]

I know it's not directed at me, I'm just here for my daily "let us use keys post event" whine

[dapper torrent]

Personally I like that I'm "forced" to go out and actually play the GPS part of the GPS game if I want to grind more than my 5 towers a day, rather than just sitting at home grinding raids for hours

[sharp parrot]

Im here to chime in with support.

[static prairie]

I can appreciate that. You already saw my take on liking the freedom to use boss scrolls whenever so I'm not going to beat that drum again, but the previous discussion got me thinking about the main point of the event.

This content is supposed to be more endgame focused, okay. If that is the case, why does it seem to be "the meta" to turn anguish (THE endgame challenge) down to near nonexistent to farm towers en masse?

In the end it's the fear of the time constraint.

I can say that if I was just running one or two towers I don't mind pushing up the anguish and bashing my head against them, because even if it's not the best designed challenge it is still a challenge; figuring out how to adapt to it to push higher is one of the things that makes me enjoy anguish. It's just hard to enjoy that challenge with a hard cutoff approaching, and failing to get an upgrade to my staff just makes my progress slower for a quarter to a half a year.

[jovial yew]

Well to be fair anguish is a challenge mode for endgame, not necessarily endgame, you can be at endgame and never touch anguish tbh, AL grind ect

Me personally I don't touch anguish much, at most I'll do 4 just for the bonus, but by no means is it a fun challenge mode lmao

ALSO you can do anguish at T9 so I wouldn't call it endgame

[dapper torrent]

I can see your point even if I don't agree entirely, but the solution isn't to make keys infinitely useable, because that just becomes ANOTHER crutch for people not to interact with the GPS part of the game and just farm their 5 OT towers every day until they get what they want. We all know that is what will happen

[hidden mulch]

suggestion: buff yel drops during the event (maybe 3 items instead of 2) and make keys usable post event but with only 2 items of each type max

[static prairie]

I agree with the sentiment, but I'd be bored to death if all I did was brute force overpower stuff with stats in all instances. These towers can't really do much to experienced players unless anguished outside of bursts of damage when you are being lazy.

[jovial yew]

Personally I'm on the boat keys should be available to do after event, maybe only 1 key a day per day after the event or something

[hidden mulch]

solves the issue of
1: hoa players literally having a decent chance to miss out on items, even when they're max grinding
2: more casual players trying to get items at a somewhat sane rate
3: orna players that don't perma play on public transport

[static prairie]

Hmm. I don't know if this is the best way to handle it, but simply making it more appealing during the event does feel "flavorful".

[hidden mulch]

but ofc, buffing droprates and making it at least somewhat reasonable for grinders to actually get bis is just just sacrilege to this community

millions must say "this entire game is rng"

[dapper torrent]

If every player can get every piece they want whenever they want then no one has a reason to play the next event

[static prairie]

I saw someone say "given the number of items dropped, statistically you should see an ornate every 6th kill". I got my first ornate on my 29th kill, screw statistics

[hidden mulch]

2-3 is every piece?

look

200 yel kc

[jovial yew]

If you wanted yel to be REAL endgame, give it perm all^^^, add DB to its moveset, give it 8 mil more health, 20 million in total, and on hard mode triple it's stats

Yel can be made into a monster if y'all want lmao

[hidden mulch]

if i want a greatstaff that's ornate

1/200

there's a 15% chance i just don't get it

is there something wrong that im doing? no

is there anything more that i could do? (in hoa no) (in orna maybe????)

locking such pivotal event gear behind pure uncontrollable rng, in which you can't even brute force through (100% in hoa, and in orna if you don't just tower hunt daily) is just fucked

[dapper torrent]

Why do you HAVE to get the exact drop you want the first time around? Plenty of people make do with legendary, or with an alternate piece (trev staff is still perfectly fine lmao)

[hidden mulch]

because if i don't im waiting another half a year

and in which high ang (and convenient horde dgns) is just out of the eqn for me

[jovial yew]

Yeah that is true lmao waiting a half year or even year in some scenarios can and will suck for most

[hidden mulch]

that's the problem with the community

most people that play have played long enough such that

1. they don't care about event locks because they're not huge grinders
2. they've already gotten everything

[jovial yew]

It would be different if the event ran at least 4-6 times a year lol

[static prairie]

Also I don't think there is much to worry about even if people get everything they want this time around; everyone will always be running this event hard for ornate jewels of creation, which will give dragon heads, which will present opportunities to use keys if they want more copies or whatever next event. Odie could even add drops, bam now people are running it again.

[hidden mulch]

and everyone that's actually negatively affected by event locks are just locked behind the wall of people saying that it's just how the game works

[jovial yew]

I mean between getting my only riftlocks I waited an ENTIRE YEAR to have 2 of them, and I'd say most people don't have that patience

[hidden mulch]

to be fair after the first one you could have grinded eod for a second

[static prairie]

Hell I stocked up on fey jorms instead of normal jorms before the cost increase because I wouldn't mind another/better fey surtr to use with different adorns. I want a second staff so I can run a full crit version and an optimal crit version, but I'm not going hard for 2 now. Once you get to late game having extras becomes desirable.

[hidden mulch]

but for new summoner players

well ggwp, eos feet i guess???

[jovial yew]

Well that's heavy rng lol

[dapper torrent]

You make it sound like the game is literally unplayable if you don't get the one specific piece you want, which just isn't true. I'm not one of the long term players that has everything, in fact I have very little event gear, but I make do with what I have and can clear any content in the game regardless. Idk maybe I'm just less affected by FOMO, but to me you're blowing it way out of proportion. The gear is good but it's not going to make or break your play experience

[hidden mulch]

im saying to keep competitive in the game

also, it will make or break my play experience lol

if you don't have a trev staff, you need a yel staff as say heretic

you're not telling me that you're clearing content without either

[dapper torrent]

I clear content with Slice 👍 I play RS

[static prairie]

I think this is less that you aren't affected by FOMO, and more that you are still in the fun gathering phase where you aren't optimal yet but can find tons of upgrades as a result. When your only upgrades get locked behind specific events it will start to wear on you more.

I honestly kind of miss my fresh T10 days where I'd get a random ass ornate from an event boss, it wasn't useful, but it was usable because my gear was trash

[hidden mulch]

imagine thinking "today's a good day to raid as heretic/deity/rs" and seeing that the only source of 4% crit is locked behind a singular event

[sharp parrot]

Bro you're doing 10+ yels per day. You can't say you're not effected by fomo :p

[dapper torrent]

I'm doing it sure but I'm not gonna cry if I don't get my ornate thinblade

[hidden mulch]

you're not guaranteed anything by doing 10 yels a day

[hidden mulch]

because as rs gandring is basically the same lol

[sharp parrot]

Agreed with your assessment of the gear though, its BiS, but its possible to workaround not having it. Case in point, we're completing this event with that gear.

[hidden mulch]

meanwhile brilliant lights vs despair is 2 different realms of op

[static prairie]

Serious question: is dragon tail strike literally just dragon envy?

[winged shard]

A lot of dissatisfaction here 🥛🍪

[hidden mulch]

yeah basically

placebo to satisfy the rs players in orna and the 3 rs players in hoa

[dapper torrent]

Not basically, it is literally just dragon envy

[jovial yew]

I mean I have 3 armor pieces I'm trying to get at least legendary, I've yet to get even that from my 50 yel kills 🤣💀

[hidden mulch]

bigger numbers but yeah

if you're running horde dgns envy is still better

[static prairie]

I mean dragon envy is kind of ridiculous for this event specifically so at least that is something.

[hidden mulch]

you'll get ripped apart by beos otherwise

[jovial yew]

Dragon envy

[sharp parrot]

Ive done my 2 runs today, have had everything drop in superior / famed now bar the quarterstaff.

Happy so far and still plenty of time to go.

[hidden mulch]

there's different levels to this

there's the casual "what i get is what i get"

and the "yeah this piece is bis so i kinda have to grind for it"

[sharp parrot]

I pity the latter.

[hidden mulch]

and the latter party is not really happy about how keys work (cite the 100000 hoa players)

[jovial yew]

I mean maybe make the gear available in monument guild

[hidden mulch]

no

please no

[static prairie]

My only ornate weapon drop is a barely ornate greatsword so I'm going to see if I can make that work better than an arisen trev staff as a BeoH with BoF. I've been laughed at for wanting to try that once already, but playing around with it is part of the fun.

[jovial yew]

That's how I get 90% of my items lmao

[hidden mulch]

the goal is for the content to be both hard + rewarding

if you can just circumvent the hard part, why even release yel

[sharp parrot]

So i have another complete codex entry 😆

[hidden mulch]

im saying like the base game

[static prairie]

So far superboss gear has been barred from monumental, this gear pretty well falls in line with that.

[hidden mulch]

aka hit big number, don't get hit by big number, make number bigger

[dapper torrent]

Plenty of people think the content is hard even without anguish, just read this thread earlier. If you are high AL you have the option to run it anguished. IDK what more you want in terms of difficulty, if they make it hard enough for high AL players then only like 1% of the community will actually be able to run it

[hidden mulch]

yeah the difficulty is fine

but im saying by releasing yel drops in monu guild you can just luck out 50/50 and just never run the content

[jovial yew]

I mean I can run yel on ang 1 with my level 233 alt lol

By no means is it fast, just tedious ward of bone spam 😭🙏

[winged shard]

Hard is a funny word for yel 🤭

[hidden mulch]

but that aside, make incentive for players to run during the event, allow grindy players to run the tower post event (but nerfed) to make extra keys not cosmetic

[jovial yew]

Yel is hard if you don't resist him lol

[dapper torrent]

Yel isn't really hard, but if you're not dealing 2mil+ damage he sure is tedious

[jovial yew]

Wonder how strong yel would be before the towerfall nerf 👀

[glossy crow]

nothing has changed about towerfall, right? only changes to the way that multipliers stack for players which enemies don't use

[hidden mulch]

yeah

additive for element instead of mult

[static prairie]

Luckily, only Towerfall 1 was nerfed. He has Towerfall 2.

[sharp parrot]

Towerfall nerf was brutal. I still can't get a titan to outperform ASG in raids now (unless I'm using Eos to avoid getting hit)

[jovial yew]

Honestly? I think yel should have collateral damage+perm all^^^+DB+weaved elements

[dapper torrent]

I just checked btw they're both 1100 power so it really is literally dragon envy. Maybe the numbers just look bigger cause you're hitting dragons with it

[hidden mulch]

i meant that actual weapon stats lol

not the ability

everyone knows the ability was copy pasted + changed element

the plea for rs players for a physical aoe will forever go unanswered

[dapper torrent]

I'm personally ok with dragon envy, well if I can get the drop that is

[jovial yew]

Honestly why doesn't yel petrify us? It does have the head of a dragon capable of petrify

[hidden mulch]

that's a gorgon

(snake

not a dragon

[glossy crow]

Illuyanka, made of stone

[static prairie]

Stasis towerfall is still far better than ASG. I've been making a tank towerfall build work otherwise for agony 11 and it feels solid but maybe not optimal.

[hidden mulch]

also @glossy crow has there been any discussions regarding making keys usable (in some way) post event

[winged shard]

I think the elemental restrictions on physical class is intended but it also can be turned into advantage against certain foes

[hidden mulch]

the guy is literally stone

that is his niche

[glossy crow]

it's been discussed a fair amount; certainly NF is aware of the request from the community

[jovial yew]

And is apart of yel 😭 he would still have STONE STARE

[hidden mulch]

mfw i just realized yel is just a mess of all the dragons combined

[jovial yew]

Give yel petrify odie

[hidden mulch]

so together they somehow have ward of bone

but only they have db

damn zerk ymir solos that fraud

[sharp parrot]

I haven't figured it out. Im damage capping on ASG and am barely hitting 2m on towerfall.

[static prairie]

2m? That sounds like you are missing a pair of double secondary damage amities or something.

[jovial yew]

Yel should be buffed with more ridiculous passives for funsies

[hidden mulch]

epee souls?

[sharp parrot]

2x masterforged epees filled with that +/- augment.

[static prairie]

I've hit for 7m on A10 Hyperion with tank towerfall, so only 1 epee.

[jovial yew]

Every time yel attacks it applies 3 random statuses it's heads could give, give yel AOE ultima, DB, perm all^^^, collateral dmg, weaved elements passive, and the ability to summon ymirs

[static prairie]

Calm down, Satan.

[jovial yew]

Maybe add zerk when it's on hard mode too?

[sharp parrot]

Still useful with Eos, but out performed by ASG for me.

[static prairie]

Ah, I see your problem. Bulwark is basically unusable post-nerf and you aren't running 2 damage amities.

Arisen Aaru Robe is mandatory now.

[hidden mulch]

you gfed a feral hood?

[sharp parrot]

Stacking wise what's the difference between an amity and bulkwark, dont they noth add the same?

[hidden mulch]

Damn you guys are too rich for me

[sharp parrot]

Yeah, i got it when I was new.

It was my BiS for aaaages

[static prairie]

The element nerf means that multipliers of the same element are added together, then all elements are multiplied. Bulwark used to be usable when literally everything was multiplied but it has dropped off very hard.

In comparison, arisen aaru gives you a buff that multiplies damage by 2.

and a pair of good amities (ex: 30% dragon + 20% dark) equals out to something in the 30-40% damage increase range.

It makes sense why ASG is easier to scale for you.

[sharp parrot]

Im not much of an amity farmer. I'll have a play round again with the aaru armor, thankyou!

[static prairie]

No problem. I'll stop diluting this topic with boring Beo talk now, let's get back to being angry or something

[hidden mulch]

(also because asg has innate great med

[static prairie]

Also I grabbed the ymir emote because it was relevant, but upon noticing it has a pair of sunglasses I am intrigued by it. This is a good emote.

Oh wow there are several

[wooden badger]

Hey at least it isn’t old event schedule with events being monthly and waiting a year for said event
Looking at you Surtr 🤣
Before codex I probably killed him hundreds to a thousand times and I just got my ASC this year
Just to get an FSC like a week or two later

[sharp parrot]

The bloodshift armor?

[jovial yew]

Okay so back to the yel buffs, and some considerable time, we should also give yel,Elysian Balance II, and when it summons ymir it has base +100% summon stats, give it redline as well

Think that might be enough of a buff idk might be a little too weak still

[sharp parrot]

Should give him a current anguish +1 ×10 buff too.

[static prairie]

Look up Arisen Aaru Robe, it's the one that teaches your follower Great Meditation (T. mag+++).

[wooden badger]

I like Goudines idea of having mini events that last a few days, but I feel like it would also bloat encounters in dungeons and make it even more grind intensive since there will be so many event mobs at once

[jovial yew]

WAIT give it battalions III as well so when it summons ymir you have to deal with the ymirs first

[static prairie]

And the Ymirs have sunglasses, so they are immune to blind.

[wooden badger]

Before ALs this was the case though. At least for Gilgamesh. Now it’s easier to pad your stats without the necessary gear (Gilgamesh not so much for me imo, but I’ve got 8 ALs so far)

[wooden badger]

Agreed

[sharp parrot]

Maybe have him give a stacking shackles debuff, where each one removes 10% of your AL

[patent notch]

Thanks for the video and help, you were a massive help at improving my standardisation of pack handling

[jovial yew]

Also let's give yel the ability to make himself immune to all elements besides dragon

[wooden badger]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-20802904

[jovial yew]

So adding onto my list, immune to all elements besides dragon, also make it immune to doom+stasis

Maybe after ALL of that it might be hard

[hidden mulch]

Old ways didn't work well, no reason to continue the trend

[hidden mulch]

funniest thing is the only actual threat is db because of dmg limits

but because you can just doom + zero it still nothing changes

[wooden badger]

No I agree wholeheartedly, kind of wish events were opt in, where we could pick what events we could run whenever we wanted/certain periods of time multiple events run for several months
Like with December but seasonal
Have the summer events all active during summer(excluding some like sumner games or holiday specific events) etc.
But I know people wouldn’t like that either because it would feel like you wouldn’t know where to start

[jovial yew]

I think I have it mostly figured out how to make yel a challenge:

Every time yel attacks it applies 3 random statuses it's heads could give, give yel AOE ultima, DB, perm all^^^, collateral dmg, weaved elements passive, and the ability to summon ymirs

add Elysian balance II, base summon stats 100%, redline, battalions III, immunity to all elements besides dragon, and immunity to all status effects including doom+stasis

[dapper torrent]

I think people are just getting too entitled to gear. If you can just get whatever you want whenever you want it that just ruins the game. If it's about everyone being on an even foot gearwise you would be better off playing a moba or something. There will always be ways someone has an advantage over you

[hidden mulch]

@abyss kill it in 5 turns

(he murders it in 4

[hidden mulch]

think osrs

is any gear locked by events?

game functions fine

[glossy crow]

I think some of it also has to do with BL2 being overpowered compared to other aoe options (and aoe being a ~4x multiplier for rewards in most pve, if not more). Seems like most of the complaints about Yel being stingy on drops is just the BL2 staves, not the rest of his gear.

[jovial yew]

Basically trev staff propaganda

[patent notch]

Happy improvement

[wooden badger]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[dapper torrent]

You know what happened when I maxed out in RS? I stopped playing because it became boring. Lol

[patent notch]

the boss is the easiest part of the tower for me

i just wait to pop the silly 1% loot quality buff and put my boss killing gear

[wooden badger]

I’m saluting for the drops (hopefully)
If you get one it worked
If not…. Well you got schruted

[patent notch]

We Dungeon To Earn the Right to Tower To Earn the Right to Tower Boss

[dapper torrent]

If there's nothing to chase in the game anymore, if there's no ways to improve or get better, then why even play the game? That's why I think it's a bad idea to just give players everything they want when they want it. Making gear harder to get makes it more desirable and keeps players coming back to try and attain it

[sharp parrot]

Don't mind me, just want to share a holy shit moment

[dapper torrent]

Damn, share the luck bro

[sharp parrot]

I bless with with 3 ornates per run, but not in the item you want.

[dapper torrent]

Honestly I'll take it

[patent notch]

when you only want 1 item, everything is pain

I honestly want Odie to let us know when someone gets the first Masterforged and Deamonforged book from that boss

22th kill without an ornate

[wooden badger]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-yelling-the-office-dwight-rainn-wilson-gif-17595466

[patent notch]

I got 2 ornates sofar, for classes i have no intention of playing

We Dungeon to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons to earn the right to Tower to earn a chance at the Boss to earn a chance at gear, to go back to dungeons

This, but Wyrm event themed

[dapper torrent]

Yeah I had a streak of like 40 with no ornates, then I got a bunch of ornates all at once. Just RNG doing RNG things. Do enough towers and it all evens out anyway

[patent notch]

I am going to try to stick to 5 a day and see where that gets me

No towers at my place this week. Tbd what i have on my bikeride

[glossy crow]

43 minutes to do 5 (OT) Yel towers as AL123 GS -- ang1 single guardians, no chests, defensive enough for ~no chance of failure.
I wish I could do 5-minute towers instead of 8-minute towers 😅 But w/e, it is what it is.

[dapper torrent]

5 towers a day every day is 100 kills over the whole event, that's not a bad goal for most tbh

[patent notch]

I am late to the party due to a mix of rl events and the boss having nothing for me untill the skill change on the two swords

So currently 27 kills and probably 6 or more failures at climbing the tower. But now i got a system to make it fairly safe and consistant

[wooden badger]

Same here
That change made them like Wonka bars fr

[ruby kayak]

So uhhh any tips for yelbegen as heretic ? Either i csnt break through bastion or it kills me with towerfall :'v

[dapper torrent]

I don't have tips for heretic but if you're dying to towerfall try running dragon res. 80% dragon res amity is best but you can get normal dragon res on bulwark or the ymir coiled shield

[ruby kayak]

I had bulwark+shield and it still Dealt too much damage and my damage plumetted 😢 was dealing 1m max damage with sigil, was about to try ultima and it one shotted me

[dapper torrent]

You can remove the blights with drake blood, or wear fallen sky legwraps for dark and holy blight immunity, also could try running steward golem for elemental resistances, and try to stack your resistance up really high since all his attacks are magic. His attacks shouldn't be one shotting you

[ruby kayak]

Make Sense but then how i kill it 🙁

Dealing 1m wont get through bastion

[dapper torrent]

Unfortunately I can't help with heretic specifically as I don't play it. His ward absorption is only 85% so as long as you don't die you should be able to whittle him down regardless

[ruby kayak]

Ty, ill try a more defensive route

Bulwark, ymir and dragon res amity i guess

[dapper torrent]

Stacking more than one source of dragon res won't do anything, you only need one, preferably the 80% amity

[ruby kayak]

Didnt knew, ty

[shut vale]

Will we be able to use our keys after the event ends?

Like we can with other event scrolls?

[winged shard]

Not this question again 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️

[real hinge]

Imo mats to craft the key are still too high for a chance to do a tower raid. A full rotation of 4-5 normals doesn't even assure you enough heads(looks like agathodaemon and beithir being the less frequent one, based on content) to craft one

If it was a super raid I could understand, but getting one-shotted on a one try raid that hits like A.Morri doesn't feel fair

And I think this is my most powerful setup in terms of damage + survivability. Not my ascended class though, but my 22alvl gilga doesn't look like a better option if it takes a lot more time to kill Yelb

[eternal harbor]

Deity is weak to elements without full apex, and you can use Souls of Rhada or elemental resistance amities to reduce ultima/towerfall damage

If you build for those attacks, Yelb hits more like a low tier raid than AMorri

You're also wearing gear with negative defense when Towerfall as an attack does melee damage (iirc)

[real hinge]

Ok, sure. But getting def will just kill my damage and both pumpkin pieces have arcane and dark elements to add resistance

I could use an 80% dragon res amity too, but will it make enough of a difference to just not get a one shot turn 3¿

[eternal harbor]

Ultima and Towerfall are not affected by resistances in that way

[eternal harbor]

Do you want to do full damage and complain about dying or do you want to live?

[real hinge]

I'm not asking to do full damage and pretend to survive like I'm being hit by a rat. Just to do barely enough to not take 10 mins to kill Yelb

Then again "full damage" is subjective. I'm not hitting in the millions every turn, but I can hit for some millions if I don't just get wrecked in between the turn to buff for that damage

[winged shard]

You can wear any fallen sky leg + vritra charm to secure yourself from deadly towerfall dmg then rhada soul adornment to decrease the damage

[real hinge]

How many rhada souls adornment should I use?

[eternal harbor]

As many as you can really, but around 10 should reduce the damage significantly