Anguish Live Feedback

[languid adder]

definitely not spelunker and finesse i dont know what you mean

I love this game, and as a german, it is my holy duty to make it everybody else's problem

[hot quarry]

is it normal that summon stats don't stack in the same anguish statement, while mag does?

[nocturne night]

It's normal as in that's how it's worked thus far. Though ideally they figure out a way to make them stack

[full peak]

I hope that "red ang stats" will show ONLY anguish bonus stats and will be divede from main equip stats. As ang stat are in final stats affected differently than normal stats.... 431 mag really didn't grow into 469. Fake.

If it is just mistake in stat calculation, then ok. So far it works differently.

[hot quarry]

Isn't it standard stat + 3% per anguish level?

[full peak]

It is, but those "ang stats" are not affected by ALs. And whatever else... probably just straighforward additive to final stats.

[left mauve]

Can we bring back the idea of having a button on spawned raids that reset them to Ang0 ?

So we can share raids with other people, including lower tier ones

[glass mango]

I just realised anguish tokens are ruined icons of each piece of content, I need better eyes

[languid adder]

Its a beautiful detail.
Dungeon key is super easy to see, agony is proof of felling, torment.. Assume tower shard but i dont see it, just a broken marble to me?
And open world beeing old anguish with current rates is super ironic xD

[glass mango]

Torment is the top of the tower the orb

The dungeon key was fhe hardest for me lmao, I thought it was some kind of messed up chocolate bar or yokan

[languid adder]

OH.
Thats a nice detail.
I didn't see it.

[nocturne night]

TIL

[raven bane]

Curious if Last Martyr gear bonus applies same way

[fierce cedar]

making players do math is part of the joke. i mean anguish

[grave fulcrum]

You would be the minority in this aspect tho. Most players already complain towers take to long so to make them that much longer and make it difficult for everyone to Wana work towers into their build. Not to mention even if you build full tank at some point the stats of all enemies will start 0ing you out or the opposite will happen you'll get 1 shot and not be able to complete a tower.. perspective if 20% stats per level but you're only given 8 als at 5 you have 8% scaling they have 100% scaling when you get to 10 you get 16% scaling they get 200% by the time you get to 20 you have 32% scaling but the enemies are 500% scaled so you'll be forced into either not being shackled or not doing towers period

This is just a bad idea that would make it more profitable for y'all to stay at Ang 5 than it would for y'all to actually climb to the Ang for your actual al

Deity's were completing anguish 50 towers start to finish from what I heard

[fierce cedar]

let it go, you dont have to be profitable here

[sinful vapor]

#💡│suggestions message lmk what you think

I think it might be a healthier strategy

[fierce cedar]

i liked the original way

(jk i know you know that already)

[left mauve]

lel, no

[naive lynx]

At 105 ALs I could do 30 fairly easy. After a bit you get out foresighted. Unless you had 200+ ALs that wasnt happening much

[naive lynx]

This is the only content I've found where shackles are just not right imo. Something needs to be fixed with either the monster scaling or the proofs rates amplified so people don't run 4 and less for MUCH faster speeds. Like Ang5 is doable but it's miserable rates compared to just running 4. And I've heard and see 7/8 you just don't catch up to mobs as much. Dungeons and raids a good happy zone with shackles even if I dislike them it's feasible and a little fun. Do I like seeing my ALs jailed? No but it's doable and fun trying different builds than I normally would

[grave fulcrum]

I'm fairly certain that there were deity's with around 150 doing Ang 50 towers start to finish. But I could be wrong there but I think abyss had a build for it with Polly x head and feet with I think katar but I can't remember now

[vocal basalt]

Looks like we're gonna need anguished items to close this gap 🤷

[fierce cedar]

idk how many people do towers daily for the proofs > mats > ascensions grind

[vocal basalt]

Thats 3% per anguish lvl + the ALs you have access to. Also some sweet extra effects like ward regen and 2handed

[fierce cedar]

but uh that sounds nuts. i feel good if i get 1x 40+ tower a week

[sinful vapor]

I had 4 towers at my ot last week. Tried to do them all at 44 and 50, missed a couple

[naive lynx]

Sirith has maxed anguish items for it on ang 8 I believe. He's said it's slow, sometimes impossible, and even when it's slow it's not worth the proofs vs running at 4 slaying everything. Like I'm cool with not one tapping but it's just not worth it for the rates.

[vocal basalt]

If some ppl feel like its not worth it we can always unshackle. The way i see it is: this is doable, but id rather do it faster, so ill unshackle

For low ALs they'll have to grind, which I feel is the intended way of tackling ang2.0

[naive lynx]

Unshackled makes no difference, you still get the same rewards no matter how high you go up.

[vocal basalt]

How so?

[naive lynx]

Unshackled I get 18.1% instead of 21%. Sirith is at like 25-25% and unshackled he's 18.1%.

[vocal basalt]

I thought unshackling would reduce you rates

[naive lynx]

It does it's just like a stagnant rate. So what the point of going higher regardless, shackled or unshackled? Rates stay the same unshackled

[vocal basalt]

I get a 3% difference at ang 6. It will be more noticeable with higher lvls for sure

[naive lynx]

Rather see rates get upper for that time and work for the higher Ang than have to unshackle and get the same ino

[naive lynx]

That's what I mean haha. It gets exponential but unshackled is still that same rate so you're not getting anything even if it's easier unshackled. So why go up? Ya know?

It's only towers I've found the difficulty issue with vs rates. Others are fine imo

[umbral blaze]

World farm?

[nimble dirge]

World farm definitely needs an improvement

[fierce cedar]

i put in 3 suggestions for world farm

[nimble dirge]

I know it's less of a priority on the orna side

😛

[naive lynx]

World farm is easy enough just uh, not fun lol

[nimble dirge]

😅

[naive lynx]

Why click 1k times vs doing dungeons where you get 2-4 at a time

[nimble dirge]

well consider 1 monster at a time vs a horde dungeon with multiple at a time

[naive lynx]

I needs help. Honestly random hordes would fix it I think

[fierce cedar]

they seem to be well received
#💡│suggestions message

#💡│suggestions message

#💡│suggestions message

[naive lynx]

That's what I mean haha

[nimble dirge]

yeah I'm just saying over orna it's less thought about

[languid adder]

Point and comma, woman, i do not get what youre saying, its too hard to read x.x

[fierce cedar]

the one monster at a time is slow, but its also something that there's only like 10 common monsters at t10

(so, then those suggestions follow)

[nimble dirge]

aethric has zones related to the tiers of monsters

[vocal basalt]

I see how this might be the odd one out since failing a tower brings tears to my eyes till this day lol

[fierce cedar]

idk nothing about aethric

[languid adder]

If its badly designed, yes. But if its only active on your highest anguish, and lets say, only until you collected enough proofs.
I see a way.

[languid adder]

Proof please

[fierce cedar]

but that sounds nice

[nimble dirge]

Dungeon farm is the big thing in orna vs world farm is very focused in aethric

is the big take away

personally I love doing world farming for adventure quests which is part of aethric

community sets up quests for other people to complete

but yeah eitherway you get the gist

[fierce cedar]

yea, Ive seen that on beta

pretty cool

[nimble dirge]

as an avid quester, I love the idea of overworld horde stuff without having to get a person to hop into the battle with you

[fierce cedar]

id like a buddy mode where i can just be in another players party automatically while they start fights for 30m or something

[languid adder]

It does

[languid adder]

Im glad im not alone.
Because when i screw up, it was always avoidable.
Thats why it hurts so much :'(

[languid adder]

Thats the only thing i envy HoA for, fun world farming.
We would most likely need a system like Minecraft, where we biome the entire map, to make it more fun. Magic Streets has that, and even tho the game is pretty barebones, its a huge selling point for me

[vocal basalt]

My man i forfeited a tower the other day because i tried to tap a monster that was too close to the exit. Things happened so fast i just long pressed YES for "u sure u wanna leave bay?"

[languid adder]

I still see a world where orna has a fun overworld map that isn't just a glorified origin town DX

[languid adder]

That genuenly hurts to read... That happened to me once, it was not worth the potential tower key :(

[nimble dirge]

back when I played Orna years ago I was an avid quester than too xD

I spent waaaaaaaaaaaay too much time world farming

my numbers of monster kills don't seem like much these days, but horde battles (in dungeons)didn't exist

apparently my phone doesn't want to upload a screenshot xD

anyway 508,788 between 2019-2021 without the existence of horde

[languid adder]

Oh god

I think T8 was when my boss kills overtook my normal kills, hasnt changed yet

Horde Boss is just too satisfying

[nimble dirge]

but I digress, world farming on anguish needs a boost 100%

[fierce cedar]

ok i thought i knew you from Orna

wasnt sure if same name or same person

[naive lynx]

I think Odies gotten a good amount of feedback the past few days. Hoping we see some of the changes in suggestions as a lot of them are solid

[nimble dirge]

Yup, got to global rank 6 back in 2021

it was just around when wayvessels first came out

I stopped after that

Now I play aethric and moderate over in the discord there

[fierce cedar]

were you in vector's guild?

[nimble dirge]

I was in a kingdom known as Canadian Shield

I think I joined one after that but I don't remember

but yeah we're getting off topic in here lmao

[grave fulcrum]

Hey does anyone know if these stats should scale or not

The orns and exp

[nocturne night]

They are not meant to

[grave fulcrum]

Darn it'd be cool if they scaled like .1 % per level or something

[nocturne night]

Fwiw I could be incorrect

[grave fulcrum]

Wait did I miss a message?

[sinful vapor]

I have not seen any evidence of boosts scaling. For some reason some stats still show red, like vd boost

[grave fulcrum]

I came to the chat and it looked like someone posted like a reddit link or something

[fierce cedar]

can we add an anguish mode for BoF?

NPC only of course, maybe one of the malus can be extra opponents

same drop rate as BoF token

[languid adder]

Making the grind on BoF reasonable?
SCANDALOUS D:

[fierce cedar]

re: world farm and riftzone suggestions and anguish,

how about one where these little acolyte buddies spawn alongside the other demons & ghouls.. cause i really want to fight the ones by the anguish building

[grave fulcrum]

This would be cool and often times I be needing the 2 skoll and hati for a quest but they hate spawning. Make it something like hell outbreak or nightmare

[fierce cedar]

hati and skoll are norse sky gods tho

🤓

[grave fulcrum]

The little demon things that come in packs with the 4 garm in towers?

[fierce cedar]

garm & hati & skoll are all "wolves" too

maybe ping covyn, lol

[sinful vapor]

If I'm shackled and my party member is unshackled, what happens in a dungeon run

[vocal basalt]

I think all ang settings are determined by the dg leader (the one that cant die otherwise the dg fails)

[glass mango]

Are celestial weapons bad in anguish since they cant be anguished

[turbid sedge]

Is it blocking in despair proofs forever ?

There won't be a world where you can choose proofs for the purchase of tools?

[bronze plinth]

It switches each day

[sonic summit]

(sometimes)

[bronze plinth]

The cost changes

[cyan mason]

Not in the past 4 days

[bronze plinth]

It just happend to roll om despair

[cyan mason]

Can someone help me word a suggestion concerning anguish? English my 2nd language:

Could we get the proof of anguish under the orns in the victory screen? Right now it's alllllll the way below and depending on UI & dpi of personal phone, you might not see your drops. Or when there's a lot of monsters dropping different stuff, you can't see how much you dropped in that battle.

[low valve]

That is plenty well worded!

[umbral blaze]

I wanted any and all proofs and event currencies/consumable items to be displayed similarly to the new ornate drop display

[full peak]

that would be cool

[obsidian jackal]

I already suggested to have a detail to distinguish Proofs

So that's a 100% yes

[sinful vapor]

Maybe not as big as ornates/godforges, but right under them

[obsidian jackal]

Demonworking Tools, Anguished Crucible, and Anguished Pathspurs no longer increase in cost as guild paths are levelled
Oh wait so I don't need to Anguish my items before leveling now, good !

#patch-notes message

[tacit ridge]

Great change

Great patch all around actually

[paper void]

patch isn't out yet

[nocturne night]

The placebo is real

[paper void]

maybe they were actually okay the whole time

will revert patch, thanks all!

[nocturne night]

Thank you for your hard work 🫡

[paper void]

now it's out

[nimble dawn]

but is it?

[obsidian jackal]

well now I will wait people confirming that anguished tools doesn't inflate when upgrading paths

[glass mango]

Wow odie caved hard to the damands of the people xD

[languid adder]

How do you search for a message in a thread on discord mobile
Why is it so hidden?
I want to point something out but its trying to be difficult

[languid adder]

As you need more and more to upgrade your old equipment, or stuff you get normally, it fully makes sense the price doesnt increase! Also, normal drops still exist, and are MUCH more expensive to level, the more your anguish goes up.

Thank you, Odie! That was very considerate ❤️

That patch is fire. Thank you so much Odie :o

[nocturne night]

That's a discord problem, not even just a mobile problem. You can't search from individual threads, you have to search the whole category

[languid adder]

So i have to cheese it with copying the ID and going in a different channel to access the search function D:

Thank you ^^

What is the new shackles limit? Didnt have a patch in playstore - still 23 at 7 for me :o

[storm wadi]

It was 14 before

I think

[languid adder]

Except that, i love the mentality that went into this patch. I appreciate it!!!

I suggest something small, like adapting the numbers to accurate reflect drops (for world farming for example, 3 x 10% or 30% or a 'max number of proofs') Numbers of proofs dont reflect what you get, especially for raids. 19% should be more like 800%

[storm wadi]

5 was 8, 6 was 11, 7 was 14

[languid adder]

Ooooh! I appreciate it

Thank you

Maybe we get a system to reduce level up costs slightly per "overambitious" ascension level that shackles ate? Hm.

But hey, was a great start! Now veterans power gets respected a bit more!

[vocal basalt]

Despair is PEACHY

🍑

[nocturne night]

The old scaling was starting at 8 on anguish 5, and then 3 ascensions per level

I don't know what the new scaling is, since 7 is my highest level

[bleak mural]

HoA here but it was 32 if im not wrong 🥲 thank you for increasing it 😍

[languid adder]

Now, progressing still takes a while - but its more fun, as i can usemy power again in a more reasonable time frame.
Thats ❤️

[mystic rose]

I'm already back at full al for agony now. Not a change I love myself

[languid adder]

Why?

[mystic rose]

Made the difficulty guild even easier

[languid adder]

The difficulty is going to come, i can promise you that

[umbral blaze]

Raids don't really have a "fail" state, the difficulty reduction makes sense for the content where you can't continue again once you die

(towers)

[languid adder]

I dont think that high anguish became noticably easier with that patch
Low anguish just is more reasonable now

[umbral blaze]

Agony (and debatably despair) didn't really need a difficulty reduction imo

[mystic rose]

Thats why towers one had difficulty scaling reduced. And now everything is also easier with double the als for each level

[bleak mural]

Exactly 🤗

[paper void]

Personally, I’m with you.

But, a little concession was likely needed here

[mystic rose]

Def a lot easier now, I'll miss the harder difficulty. But understandable

[fierce cedar]

wow. towers are way easier

[mossy wave]

how're the titans?

[obsidian jackal]

Well it is a gasp of fresh air for high ALs players that tried to rush the content.
We have to keep in mind that even if the shackles are more generous, the monsters still scaling better than players Ascension stat bonus.

[fierce cedar]

still die to doom ^^

i love that they can scale out of that too tho

thats crazy

[sonic summit]

./suggest titan AI should always cast build tower when they have doom to outheal it

[fierce cedar]

..aaaand im pwned by a zerk macolyte, so no titan today

I didnt want to climb that tower anyway! humpf

[tacit ridge]

I meant the changes were good in a theoretical sense, I hadn’t really had time to test them even if they were live by then 😅

[finite flint]

it depends on which events are active. With fomorian events monuments are crazy good. And when there were giants + murks + hyppo beasts it was nice

[storm wadi]

Hmm, didn't see this in the patch notes. I was able to fight an ang 4 raid while I'm at ang 5. Not sure if that was a change or it's been that way though

[finite flint]

i had stopped at 1-4-4-4 anguish level because of previous game dynamics, this patch motivates me to at the very least farm higher levels then decide where the soft spot is. Good patch

[paper void]

someone deleted their comment and now it looks like I was responding to you

[tacit ridge]

Ah, my bad 😅

[paper void]

friendship with salty sid = ended

[nocturne night]

It's okay, I saved it for posteriority

[naive lynx]

I figured I'd save myself the embarrassment but I guess it's here to stay @nocturne night ty

On a side note Odie friendship goes two ways you'll always be my friend ♥️

[paper void]

fine, we’re friends again

[pearl mango]

Damn

Kiss the bride now

🦛

[naive lynx]

Only if Odie proposes to me with an Obog

It's been five years and he still won't give me a ring

[pearl mango]

Odie proceed to makes an item called obog thats completely useless and gives it to you

🦛

[naive lynx]

I'd still take it and cherish it

[pearl mango]

Damn

[naive lynx]

It's the thought that counts

[pearl mango]

🦛did i mention i like hippos

Hope odie makes a hippo pet

[umbral blaze]

Next year's natureblight pet

[naive lynx]

Anguish Hippo
T-Attack 3, Whallop and WoO, 1% buff rate, 10% protection rate.

[pearl mango]

Deal

Give me

Now

[umbral blaze]

1%? Gonna be 3% minimum

[naive lynx]

Well it's the only pet that would have t attack 3 so I just threw out a number. Okay make it 3

[pearl mango]

@sturdy stump why lurking?

[pearl mango]

Steward gwyl

[naive lynx]

Oh duh I forgot about that one

[sturdy stump]

I dont have anything of interest to say. Why ping me lol

[naive lynx]

I'm really not on the ball today it's been a week

[pearl mango]

Cuz i love you

[sturdy stump]

🦛

[pearl mango]

🦛

[rapid nebula]

About 20ish proofs and entirely T9s spawned. Could affinity candles influence "levels" so as to mainly focus T10s. Obviously I can kill these T9s to get more T10s but it just feels like they get in the way so much and ultimately are useless for rewards/drops so they just get in the way. Making affinities increase T10s mean T9s would still be a part but less in the way of trying to play Torment.

[storm wadi]

Pick up some T10 quests and use a seekers candle, helps a lot. I do agree wit the affinity candle spawning more t10s though

[rapid nebula]

Smart man

[storm wadi]

Sadly, I picked up a skoll quest from some random inn at some point and it doesnt expire for another 2 days

[fierce cedar]

T11 monsters when

[rapid nebula]

Vanguard, Warrior, Gazer in that pic to kill 😏

[fierce cedar]

the vanguard is my alt xD i try to kill him often tho

.

.
2 more mins for the gazer

😂

[grave fulcrum]

Just upgrade a pat to lvl 2

[grave fulcrum]

It won't tho because the guild was a game of anguish your gear push als

[grave fulcrum]

If you'd like my input instead of giving that many als I'd have said maybe 10 als for Ang 5 and scale from there like it did before. Now my max anguish on HOA is gonna be 5 or 6 and my max on orna will be closer to 11 which kinda took the motivation to Wana grind the guild away because I can just rely on my base stats to carry

[grave fulcrum]

Only an obog why not a gfbof

[supple cape]

I have towers on 3 and am already seeing nidhoggs crit for 25k+. Enemy stats and maluses are going to scale harder than ALs and anguished gear at some point.

[grave fulcrum]

Did you concider 1 shotting them

Or do you perhaps have equal anguish gear

Or by chance did you concider using beo

[supple cape]

Best case I kill them with an extra turn from BoF, but that won't be possible when HP scaling on the small mobs gets to be too much.

I am a Beo.

[snow sage]

Yes

DF Rings are pretty cool

[supple cape]

I'm looking forward to the event berserk Hades encounter in anguish, I remember that jerk hitting me for 40k Crit with no anguish a while ago.

[dusty basalt]

not to inturrupt the convo, but can anyone help with getting any kind of Ang gear to go to the next lvl? i have yet to receive any piece of ornate gear at ang 1, am i going to have to craft it with the tools? or is my RNG that bad? ive got 261 for raids, and 111 for towers, and over 50 proofs of the others, still havnt recieved any ang gear out of the many ornates

[grave fulcrum]

You could windtamer bof extra turns just kill them all with 1 shot

[supple cape]

You would need to procure demon working tools for proofs and use them on gear to make them anguished.

You would also need to get an anguished crucible with proofs to roll a positive effect.

[dusty basalt]

even with the "ang. gear drops" do they not come free without the tools?

[storm wadi]

It's just a slow process at the beginning.

[grave fulcrum]

Let's start with yes they do drop they're rare at lvl one over time they become more fruitful if you are struggling try running horde dungeons solo

[storm wadi]

Towers and raids aren't the best place to get an anguished gear. You're better off running horde dungeons

[supple cape]

They do, they just aren't that common on low anguish. I've seen 4 pieces of anguished gear drop so far, sadly none were usable.

[dusty basalt]

gotcha gotcha, im just looking to increase the ang level tbh but cannot seem to find any gear for it lmfao. i was starting to lose my mind, was just curious everyone elses pespective tbh, and wanted to ensure they do drop LMFAO

i just hit 225 and have been grinding heavy, so thank you all for the information ❤️

[pulsar scroll]

Just want to quickly say thank you to NF for adjusting despair drops and adjusting the shackles. I certainly appreciate it (although I recognize not everyone will be happy with the latter adjustment).

[grave fulcrum]

Next the way to use an item to anguish one of your items is to go to your inventory then click on the item you want to anguish so long as you have it maserforged demon forged or god forged it will show a button near where a whetstone would be for a weapon from there you can hold the button to get the upgrade as long as you 1 have an anguish level to go up to (has to be unlocked) 2 have a demo working tool

[supple cape]

Oh you are getting into it early. Most who are chugging along are max level and already have gear good enough to bear with the first handful of levels in difficulty.

[dusty basalt]

being a summoner, the increase difficulty seems justifiable for now just for the extra exp and orns honestly haha

thought i had tons of gold being like 8 billion, found out quickly that T10 witch shop takes significantly more than that

[grave fulcrum]

This will likely be true for a while just be aware that grand summoner is the slowest class for most content

[dusty basalt]

ive thought about swapping into the gods class eventually, but enjoying the grind as summoner, went ahead and ascended for the first time, and just looking overall to increase strength, exp , and orns, figured ang was best overall to do while i try to grind for end game gear

[naive lynx]

Well I don't wanna be greedy now! Anything from Odie is gracious ♥️

[grave fulcrum]

oh so a broken bog then gotcha

[naive lynx]

It's its from Odie I'll take it!

[thorny oyster]

FWIW: I enjoyed the old shackles. Game is too easy again. Guess I’ll eventually hit a wall anyways, but I liked the tuning before

[naive lynx]

Could even be like the Carl's EoD rings. Like T1 version called Odie's Ring

[grave fulcrum]

what if the ring is secretly from dangy tho who gives it to odie

[naive lynx]

The plot thickens with more friendship

[grave fulcrum]

do you have a broken thieve's ring?

[languid adder]

my doom ticks with 15 mil i dunnow hat you mean :3

[languid adder]

its just a regular BoG but it has Odie's Face as a pin on it, its like the Konqord

[languid adder]

ascensions required for level up didnt change AFAIK, just hoiw many you can use

[grave fulcrum]

then thats even worse because theres no challange for the early game play \

[languid adder]

So i spent the last couple hours on and off world farming
I have to say with the tripled roll, its much more feasable. This is the first time after i hit lv 150 that i enjoyed world farming. Thank you Odie!

[languid adder]

remember that the people who go into this content with high ALs are the vast minority

and that that change (feels) like it was made so it doesnt feel like we got cheated

It also increases the leniance of new players, if they feel its too hard to progress, they can just grind some more ALs before progressing. It increases flexibility

[grave fulcrum]

yah and ive been okay with the idea of shackles but now its practically free

[languid adder]

Practically free feels a bit exaggerated, but i get your point.

have you reached tower 5?

[grave fulcrum]

i didnt do towers with one after a few cuz my hoa cant complete them reliably

[languid adder]

okay. Then im interested what makes you think its free :o
Just trying to understand cause im 7 in raids and i still only have 23

[grave fulcrum]

but raids were already free

my hoa char was handling dungeons with a swansong

granted didnt go above 1

but still that was with 13 als and crappy gear

[languid adder]

i still handle ang 4 dungeons with dara and full farm gear

so its gonna be fun when i have to go to swansong xD

[grave fulcrum]

if i was on my orna char i could probably push ang and towers to 5 easily

[mystic rose]

Yes, the new change has made everything I've tried noticeably easier so far

[grave fulcrum]

odie just caved to the people who cried loudest the patch doesnt benefit the longevity of anguish just makes it so that people cry less and move on. this infuriates me as someone who was actually looking forward to having to use buffs from 5-max ang al.

instead its gonna be use tmm swansong bof use extra turns to buff snotra or others

[languid adder]

you didnt reach those levels yet, did you?

its still not free, not at all. ^^"

[grave fulcrum]

no i could have if i wanted

ive been playing hoa if i was on orna id def be way past

[languid adder]

but you didnt try those levels yet?

Then how can you say that you dont need buffs cause of a few percent more power

[grave fulcrum]

i dont need to to know that my deity + gear options are strong enough to repeat the process of what ive been doing

[languid adder]

i am still full buffing for raids, nothing changed in that regard, and raids are the easiest

[grave fulcrum]

didnt say i didnt need buffs

i said that its gonna repeat what we already have

and tmm gives 2 buffs

while snotra is a 3rd

[languid adder]

i can promise you you could do T10 ang 5 with MM alone before

Dungeons*

[storm wadi]

@grave fulcrum If you're not doing the content you really shouldn't be commenting on the difficulty. ATM you're just stirring up nonsense based on nothing but speculation

[grave fulcrum]

and i know that my al 13 beoh is only missing decent gear to carry most content

[grave fulcrum]

im speculatin from the perspective of what my al 13 is doing

[languid adder]

yeah i also considered beoH for towers rn as its better then Deity in that content

[languid adder]

you will feel the change, in the sub 5% range, for 2 entire anguish levels

[grave fulcrum]

if i had the gear i have on orna

[languid adder]

you have to ascend for the next levels regardless, and you will probably have enough tokens to proceed to the next level regardless

[grave fulcrum]

id be carrying reguardless

[storm wadi]

Then prove it

[languid adder]

so you will never feel the change on shackles regardless.

[storm wadi]

Play the game, put in the time, show yoru results

[grave fulcrum]

im waiting for my buddy to swap over

[languid adder]

ill stick to this. The change is so minimal for low ALs, they will barely feel any difference
That chance is cathered to high AL

[grave fulcrum]

i will tho

because the difference between al 13 and al 42 is where ill be and als are extremely easy to grind

[storm wadi]

Well until you do there's not much reason to be complaining about the changes. If you're playing HOA then provide the feedback there

[languid adder]

speaking off, i should probably do dungeons, as its easiest to get my ang gear in there

i dont get the ornates i need from raids and i dont wanna spend the tokens for the tools but thats entirely on me

[broken pike]

HoA feedback can't really be compared to Orna seeing as HoA does have it easier lol. Same reason HoA can't be included in our HoF

[grave fulcrum]

the reason im complaining here is number 1 while yes im doing most my testing and exprience on hoa they are the exact same game i have a ton of experience on orna as ive got 2 chars 1 whos al 42 and 1 whos al 24 i have specific standards set for orna and the easier side of hoa doesnt come in the form of anguish as much as you think its still just as challanging the fact that youre discouraging someone who is giving input with valid experience how how things work on orna and knowing my gear options vastly out weigh my hoa choices makes you seem more toxic and like youre gate keeping the ability to give feedback im waiting for my buddy to wana swap over on orna because hes got like 180 als and i know that once he starts hes gonna blast through to his proper al and he wont wana grind lower anguish so i wanted to do it with him to start. anyways i hope youll reconcider gatekeeping \

please dont bother responding its just gonna escalate this and its not worth it you can feel free to bring it to my dms but lets not put it in this chat

[fierce cedar]

only fancy thieves

[grave fulcrum]

should we give that to dangy to give to odie to give to salt

[broken pike]

I'll just say I need more buffs on anguish lvl 3 horde dungeons in 2.0 than I needed for 50 ang in 1.0 with the exact same gear 🙃. Is it difficult, no. HP scaling hits hard and I'm sure it will be more difficult/ time consuming even with the shackle changes once I get higher

[grave fulcrum]

what class are you using again for this tho

ik youre like 100+ als

but ik gilga and heretic where what i last knew you to use and heretic doesnt have a great horde clear and gilga never had a good horde clear unless you chained

[broken pike]

Heretic

[grave fulcrum]

skill?

[broken pike]

Heretic actually became the best horde clear with the 2h update

Still just rocking a qatvanga, I haven't even hit shackles yet lol

[grave fulcrum]

negative ghost rider deity and beo are still better at it

[broken pike]

Maybe at low AL

[grave fulcrum]

purely because of swansong

even high al

low al id argue heretic is better because swansong doesnt have huge pen

[broken pike]

No lol. I can 1 shot everything if I dont want to wear orn gear on ang 1.0

[languid adder]

Deity players: Am i a joke to you?

[broken pike]

I did full orn gear clears in less than a minute 30, so I buffed. If I went trev charms+ arcane, no buffs needed at all

[grave fulcrum]

deities should still be 1 shotting everything reguadless of orn gear or not so long as theyre using like 180 gear

[mystic rose]

I ran ang 3 and 4 with just the mimic buffs myself, no extra buffing needed. Def wasn't taking as long as ang 50 was for me

[grave fulcrum]

even old anguish high al swansong beoh/deity was better than heretic but low al dispair was better and synergized with heretic

[broken pike]

I'm still using orn gear hence why I need one more buff, but more buffs is more buffs lol. That would basically put heretic and deity at the same clear time if no one is buffing. Comes down to the speed of your phone at that point

Sure, I'll take the guy who doesn't have 180 AL word for it.

[fierce cedar]

yea, i bet youre clearing horde boss lvls with despair laughs in fallen girugamesu

[grave fulcrum]

ill take the word of someone who used dispair for 1.0 on deity because i was still low al for high al swansong slapped because you already had enough def res

and att mag to do whtever

[broken pike]

Low AL is faster because of auto buffs, yes. Doesn't matter at 180 AL lol

[grave fulcrum]

plus show me a heretic tanking a zerk realmshifter at 25% hp and living

[broken pike]

I did it all the time.. but not on ang 1.0 now so

[grave fulcrum]

litterally the difference between a heretic using dispair and a deity using swansong is pen

[fierce cedar]

for the record, wrecked is 100% more right on whatever we're talking about. sorry, hes got so much exp

they

idk. wrecked whats your pronouns

[grave fulcrum]

wrecked has 0 experience on beoh or deity ara

[broken pike]

Swansong also has hits all over the place. You may not 1 shot something

[fierce cedar]

unlikely

[grave fulcrum]

i have experience on heretic beoh and deity ara with around 40 als each

[broken pike]

Uhh I played deity as well. Just a long time ago. I did d.ara endless though since I had 40 AL in it

[timber furnace]

With Rs Corvus you need less buffs

[grave fulcrum]

d.ara endless does not represent swansong anguish 50

[broken pike]

Cool

At my AL it didn't matter dude 😂 . I already said low AL deity would do it better, sure. Because auto buffs

[grave fulcrum]

nor does it represent the difference in damage and capablilites that swansong has on high al

[broken pike]

Cool

[grave fulcrum]

even as a beo

beoh*

[broken pike]

Except you may hit 20k on something and 200k on another

[grave fulcrum]

maybe if you dont crit

but you build to full crit

[timber furnace]

The Best horde weapon for heretic is Trevelyan staff right?

[broken pike]

It doesn't fill flasks

[fierce cedar]

depends

[broken pike]

I just use trev to speed run towers 🤷‍♂️ . It may be better in dungeons, I've never tried it lol

[grave fulcrum]

Wrecked Al 0 Ang 30 1.0 swansong consistent damage of 100-110k damage

3 targets as well

Stats and gear to show swansong damage

[broken pike]

Again, my clears were roughly 1:30 in full orn gear with the exception of the weapon being qat lol. Probably not the same for a low AL heretic. Already said deity likely beats them. Maybe beo too. I was sub 1 minute with zero buffing and going trevs/arcane amity

[grave fulcrum]

Tbh only thing I'd change is more pet act

[broken pike]

Comes down to speed of phone at that point

[grave fulcrum]

Yah but do it at Al 0

[broken pike]

Abyss did in heretic channel on OL. Go find it

He did 50 ang not 30 lol

[grave fulcrum]

You can since it would be your proof not

I also did 30 cuz I didn't feel like doing Ang 50 to show consistency of swansong which you said ranged from 20-200k

[broken pike]

A screenshot shows nothing lol

Video or nothing

[grave fulcrum]

But it does?

Okay give me a few mins then my phone slow and old but I'll have it for you

[broken pike]

#811254572042420245 message

There you go. 2:12 clear on a 0 AL heretic with 50 anguish on 1.0

Take it back to ang 2.0 here and keep your responses on OL lol. This is irrelevant to 2.0 at this point

[vocal basalt]

Lol anguish needed a revamp so badly im glad the studio saw it through

[tacit ridge]

Now they just need to end the dual system and get everyone on 2.0

[broken pike]

Yeah. Giving time to spend proofs, but there hasn't actually been an announcement yet that it will be ending in X amount of days/weeks so spend the proofs quick lol. I doubt there is going to be an abrupt shut down of it so I'm just curious when the announcement to spend the final proofs will be

[vocal basalt]

Yes. I feel like im not progressing as quickly as the ppl in 1.0 but im definitely enjoying 2.0 way more

[split narwhal]

One thing I'm missing is, with 2.0, I'd hoped that the increased difficulty of anguished raids would draw out party raiding.
Kinda bummed that everyone in the party has to have at least the agony level of the summoned raid. I'd hoped to raid with some friends of mine at my higher agony level, even if that meant they only got the rewards of their level.

[grave fulcrum]

ideally theyd disable the ability to gain proofs or any bonus's eg cant enable anguish lvl 1 for 1.0 and then you can swap over at your own leisure instead of being forced to swap without ability to spend

[languid adder]

As a deity, i can't confirm.

[languid adder]

Im still baffled ang 1.0 is running on full rewards.
It feels like we did not learn from refineries at all :(

[sinful vapor]

1.0 is not like refineries

[languid adder]

Yeah that is correct, yet i was still referring to it, as it created a discrepancy between effort/reward.

[sinful vapor]

I guess you could say that 1.0 compared to 2.0 is a tiny bit like refineries compared to not refineries

[grave fulcrum]

currently 1.0 doesnt have the aligeance thing either

so theyres drawbacks

[languid adder]

Yeah thats what i ment, the only example i could thing of^^

[grave fulcrum]

theres*

but yah as soon as we get everything 2.0 ironed out im hoping odie will disable the ability to turn 1.0 anguish on and force everyone to anguish 0 there

[languid adder]

Also am i doing anything wrong or why is dungeons so slow? Grinded nearly 2 hours and im about 2/3 of the way to 4, from 3 with nothing

[grave fulcrum]

uh not sure are you running normals or bds or votgs

[languid adder]

All of em, depending on what i find

[grave fulcrum]

the most profitable from what ive seen are bg and votg

[languid adder]

Ah. I'll try to prioritize them then

[grave fulcrum]

specifically for proofs of melechaly

for ang 1 on hoa i get 4-6 per normal

i wana say closer to 6 for bgs

and then ive only run a few votg but they have a good amount of t10 enemies

theyre just expencive runs and brutal if you dont have enough def res

[fierce cedar]

idk if the dungeon experience translates

i feel like i remember running dungeons w you, and someone from rustic temple.. u sure you play HoA?

[cyan mason]

Melancholy is a hard grind. But once you get to higher level, the proofs starts to rain and you easily get 200-250 for an hour on party play (duo or trio. I don't have enough friends at this high a level for a full party)

[cyan mason]

Very brutal. But votg is soooooo worth it to run.

[grave fulcrum]

i play both but recently ive been playing hoa more eg getting a char from 1-238 and grinding up 13 als

if you remembered playing with me it woulda been back when pat wasnt childish and had minimal focus for the game

[grave fulcrum]

what lvl

[cyan mason]

Almost 11

[grave fulcrum]

and at which point did you notice the increase from slow to some what worth your while

[cyan mason]

8

And when the update have hit, it went from Al 23>38. I had a lot of fun yesterday to try other builds cuz 23 al is really limiting the stats, so not every builds works at that high of a level. At 38, mamamia it's fun! I don't have enough pathpur for changing maluses around but it greatly makes a lot of builds from 'impossible' to 'viable'

[pulsar scroll]

Regarding the changes to shackles, Im wondering if another tweak would be useful. I think it's great that shackles start at slightly higher ALs now and escalate a bit more quickly. However, in the interest of really providing a challenge, I wonder if the additional ALs should increase at a slower rate as higher anguish levels are unlocked? For example, instead of increasing by 4 each time, maybe increase the ALs by 4 through anguish 10, and then increase by 3 from 11 to 15, then by 2 etc.

These numbers are purely for example, but I think a decreasing rate of AL growth would help ensure Anguish does eventually get to a point where it is truly challenging.

As much as I personally love just "brute forcing" content, I think it would be in the best interest of the game overall if there are diminishing returns on a brute force approach.

[nocturne night]

I do get what you mean, and I am also a difficulty enjoyer, but I think that even with the current increase of AL growth, you'll be hitting a brick wall in difficulty sooner rather than later

[bronze plinth]

I kinda miss that all paths had the "same lvl "

[pulsar scroll]

As long as the brick wall eventually gets hit then Im happy

[bronze plinth]

Like all paths could use the highest unlocked level

[fierce cedar]

lol ok yes

[languid adder]

Low anguish is an introduction, challenge is growing increasingly. I can promise you it will eventually become a brick wall, but it will take a while till we are there

Ah nvm John u already said it

I have to say im happy with the compromise we are on rn.
I can play the game, and i dont feel overly punished cause i grew stronger before ang 2.0 released. I still think very high ALs (150+) will suffer immensely, but i also guess its intended to not give refinery abusers free reign.
Doesnt mean everybody that high did but there are definitely ppl who did

[sinful vapor]

If people find that unshackled is way too good rewards now, I would go back to my suggestion of making ang1-4 "smaller" (cheaper, less difficult, less rewarding) so as to have a lower baseline reward for unshackled

[languid adder]

Progression is still very slow! So it will take time regardless

[bronze plinth]

Yea the progression is imo still very slow

[grave fulcrum]

It should be slow let's not forget that this is supposed to be the long term endgame state

[wooden trail]

I saw a post about the Shackled AL vs Anguish level, can anyone repost it.

Also, is there a chart for Anguish level requirements per level. Since ANguish level 4 is the "max" before shackled AL kicks in, I figure if I farm enough to get enough Anguish level mats to match my AL, it might be easier

Or even bettter, pin the post/chart

[bronze plinth]

Sure but lets not forget the fact that we have 4 differend paths to level up. I wouldnt mind if there was only 1 "path" to grind but 4 is just too long and not motivating

[pearl mango]

Hmm

Hmmm

Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

[grave fulcrum]

4 paths gives you 4 different things to grind an enjoy while giving you things to do once you cap out

Ang level will find an efficiency cap where players grind this specific Anguish and stop caring about maxing out Ang to Al as well as a soft cap around 25 according to odie

[pearl mango]

Have you switched to 2.0yet

🦛curious since i never saw you posting abt it

[grave fulcrum]

On HOA yes I've been using 2.0

I've been HOA grinding since before orna even released the patch

Just slowly and enjoying my own speed

[bronze plinth]

I wouldnt call it "enjoyable" if the grind starts all over when you switch into differend game content

[finite flint]

Efficiency cap is still anguish 4 in towers, a little higher for low HP raids, and a tad higher for agony but only for some classes

[finite flint]

Doesn't start all over Yoh already have the gear and Al to crush everything

[naive lynx]

Not sure if this was a suggestion or not since I don't feel like wheeling through hundreds of them but...

While running hard mode dungeons, proofs will drop from t9 mobs at half your rate of t10s. Seeing that it costs 5 times the keys and you can't use items I feel it's a good trade off and when your anguish gets super high I feel it would probably add an incredible amount of risk for a good amount of proofs.

[short osprey]

This is at Torment 8, with the right gear and such (especially after the new balance changes) this is much more efficient

[naive lynx]

How long for a tower on average?

Doing proof rates vs times for math things lol

[short osprey]

Hard to say currently cause I've mostly been running them on and off throughout the day, but when I get home later and run what I have queued I'll lyk 👍

[bronze plinth]

I mean you start from ang lvl 1 so its a new grind with the low rewards.

[finite flint]

if somehow you can clear at the same speed with 25 AL or whatever it is sure. I surely can't

[finite flint]

it was already close in efficiency to run at low anguish anyway in 1.0

time-effort/reward wise

[bronze plinth]

My gobforts are not the same

XD

I need like ang lvl 25 to get in par with 1.0

[finite flint]

that's a different topic like world farm

[bronze plinth]

It would be cool if they shared the same lvl somehow

So you could use the lvl 5 on every path instead of 1

For examble^

[finite flint]

odie wants us to be forced to farm different content if we want really high level in that guild

[bronze plinth]

Yea i can see that

[short osprey]

@naive lynx @finite flint
50 Floor Selene, clearing All T10 packs (only clearing others when necessary to proceed to the next floor)
96 Total Proofs = 6.91 Proofs per min

[languid adder]

I enjoy its slow, still just Not happy my ALs are glorified plot tokens. If the reddit post was true that unshackled should be somewhat same rewards as shackled (minus speed ofc) then the cao for reduction is too high.
If mobs for example get 20% more power, i would like to get at least 20% of the loot added. Not even factoring in the evergrowing malusrs

[finite flint]

which Ang level? I get less but I do at Ang 4

[short osprey]

Torment 8

[finite flint]

I get 60-65

[languid adder]

Its not a softcap, its where old anguish peaked stat wise.
Which is also BS because HP scalimg is indefinitely more powerful then dex scaling, so i would say old ang 20 would already been much more difficult then ang 50

[finite flint]

going after "most" packs without being perfect

not sure what you use to clear deity or nidds fast at torment 8 with shackles tbh

[languid adder]

Shackled or unshackled?

[finite flint]

I one click aoe most packs, if super high hp sometimes I need to chackram

[short osprey]

Shackles on

[languid adder]

How did you Steamroll this fast with shackles?
Did the monster stats get adjusted last patch?

[finite flint]

titan itself at al30

shouldn't be that easy and fast

also I don't understand

i make 30-32k shards per tower

he made 23k

doesn't look like full T10, clear

oh wait

[languid adder]

You can technically unshackle before titan and whoop them in shape

[finite flint]

It Is full T10 but not the rest over f30

i do full T10, but all guardians from f30

[short osprey]

(T6) Trev staff go BRRRRRR

[languid adder]

So the rates at how they scale got changed?

[short osprey]

Yeah, when I say only T10 packs I really am going for only T10 packs lol

I don't even bother fighting the titan majority of the time

I don't even really need any titan augments and they're just not worth the time/difficulty

[languid adder]

I was avoiding towers cause of the scaling noebim temptrd

Odie thank you

[short osprey]

Went from 16/18% (can't remember exactly) -> 8% per level

[languid adder]

I like a slow growth curve - it will get impossible eventually

[short osprey]

Pre update Torment 8 was basically impossible I found

[languid adder]

But i dont wanna be there in a week with old tower scaling xD

[short osprey]

Now it should be noted I am using nearly perfect % (boots are actually 200%), anguished gear with nearly perfect bonuses

[finite flint]

wait why do I see multiple hits

[glass mango]

Whats the gear for this?

[finite flint]

ah thrife

well I guess I'll wait for lyonesse

farm a trev staff and report back 🙂

[finite flint]

I have perfect bonus on my gear but

I went very vanilla max mag

I'll show

leg are ward turns because sometimes they go first

head is 7% accuracy

what's your exact build with passives and qualities @short osprey

[short osprey]

@finite flint @glass mango

[glass mango]

Wow that amity is good

[short osprey]

(sorry for delay actually just hit torment 9 so was DWT-ing my boots from 5 -> 9)

[finite flint]

so for hoa

what we miss is that insane amity , lacking 1.15*1.15, extra damage

rest is very feasible

helm has extra accuracy?.I don't think you need that head

[short osprey]

This is specifically on BeoH as well using the Great Amarok for BB1/2 giving 3 ward turns

[finite flint]

with the 7% accuracy passive

[short osprey]

Helm isn't anguished 😅

[glass mango]

So many bristles too, id have to unadorn all my rs gear xD

[finite flint]

eh I mean man

if you could craft it

would fey menja with 7% accuracy be better

or something else?

[naive lynx]

Hmmm I'm wondering on the rates vs dungeons. I'm averaging around 7-12 proofs at ang7 now for normals about 1:30mins a run. So maybe 7-8 runs in the time for that tower? Seems about even or maybe a smidge more or less depending on the tower and dungeon runs

[finite flint]

you don't get proofs only

[short osprey]

That's the goal, just waiting for this to get out of the blacksmith

[finite flint]

from tower you get shards and end of floor mats

[naive lynx]

I know I'm talking strictly proofs

[finite flint]

it's absurdly better

[naive lynx]

Exactly why I'm trying to figure out proof rates etc

[finite flint]

ok just asking if I want to try to replicate

and torment 8 is how much shackles? how many Al? i could al some in beo

just to check

[naive lynx]

I think it's 29

[short osprey]

The def/res pen on the Trev staff also helps a lot I found

[short osprey]

28

[finite flint]

@sturdy stump tested that passive and wasn't convinced

[naive lynx]

Torn between going all in on towers or dungeons.

[finite flint]

then how many per level now? 4? 5?

[finite flint]

both

build for all content

a lot of stuff is overlapping anyway

[naive lynx]

I don't have the time for both ATM haha

[short osprey]

5 per level it seems, Torment 9 is AL33

[finite flint]

ok so patch was

from 3 to 5

oh random question

can we level anguish more in gear than we have?

I never tried

but like can I level 20 times with demontools

so I godforge once and I am done?

I can get infinite proofs with raids anyway if needed

[short osprey]

Item only needs to be MFed to use a DWT

[finite flint]

no I mean if we can use the demontools to go higher

than our anguish

our current anguish

[short osprey]

Ohhh no, you can only level it up to your highest level anguish

[finite flint]

ah

that's sad

[glass mango]

The game doesnt want you to save resources xD

[short osprey]

And say for example I use my Ang9 boots in a Ang4 dungeon, the bonus will scale down as if it was Ang4

[nocturne night]

It's a little more complicated than that #🍂│late-game-⭐10 message

[finite flint]

I am 1+4+4-4 with these proofs

bring wondering if going over 4

[finite flint]

ye ok that was expected

that's fine

was just wondering if I could do all at say 20 and be done with it, looks like I can't

[finite flint]

ok so even slightly more than 5 per, going up

[grave fulcrum]

no odie straight up said ang 25 is a soft cap not sure why you chose to reply about something odie said first

[glass mango]

Do enemies ever 1 shot you with this setup? Like ronins going first or second chance

[languid adder]

Also seeing this i need to start sharing raids
I have so much stuff. 180 yorm scrolls etc.

[short osprey]

Not 1 shot, but I can be easily 2 shot, the scariest thing is this...

[languid adder]

I heard people in here talking about the "soft cap" just beeing where old anguish was with its 1003% stat increase.

Not sure why you tried to be toxic about me not having perfect information but still trying to be helpful.

[languid adder]

Natura EVENTUALUS

[short osprey]

BeoH

[languid adder]

You already have enough damage then you dont need it :3

Enslave Heatnick as pet, make him cast Natura Eventualus II for you

[grave fulcrum]

becuase your reply didnt actually add anything and odie said he concidered 2.0 ang 25 to be the soft cap theres not really a reason to think otherwise as ang 25 is where perma fade and other debuffs start to become less avoidable

[languid adder]

I assume you just have a bad day and ignore it. ^^ Thank you!

[valid mesa]

Hello, does the maluses from anguished level applied to summons ? like the -8% crit damage or -X multitarget damage etc

[sinful vapor]

Pretty sure they just don't, but I could be mistaken

Tower suggestion
#💡│suggestions message

[analog fox]

Anyone getting more raid ornates drops? I seem to be getting less ornates with my . 04% increase at 4 anguish.. 100 Hyperions Ang 4 killed green drops 3 ornates. Maybe I'm just really unlucky but for making something harder I was hoping for better drops.

[timber furnace]

0.04% bonus is very low, and anguish 4 is the easiest of the lvels(not really but idk how to explain )

[vocal basalt]

I definitely wouldnt use these elite raids in ang 4 🤔 I'd wait a bit.
But i didnt notice any drop in ornate rates. Still the same terrible rates for me 😂

[raven bane]

IIRC, the quality bonus on Tail of Sphix is 1% and is almost imperceptible. Not sure how much the .04% bonus would move the needle.

[timber furnace]

Tail sphinx isnt a 1% bonus

[vocal basalt]

I farmed last dragons event with 2 tails and i thought i got a bunch more jocs than before. Might be biased though

[grave fulcrum]

but ojoc? since jocs are just a rarity thing and luck will make more drop

[storm wadi]

They do increase the chance of ornates, the chance is just very very small

[vocal basalt]

Ojocs. I always farmed them with some luck gear, but i got better results with 2 tails. I also farmed more this last time lol so i may have gotten a few more or just 1, 2. Cant be certain://
Though i wont be able to farm with tails anymore now that we have melancholy 😂

[storm wadi]

If you're able to clear comfortably using two of them, you might as well put them on. It's just not worth the effort to struggle using them

[vocal basalt]

./suggest make sphinx tails ornate chance scale with quality 🗣️

[vocal basalt]

Im pretty sure i wont be able to in ang2.0, especially since i'll need to go horde/BOSS 💀

[grave fulcrum]

simply turn anguish off lol

[vocal basalt]

No 😡

I want anguished ymir stuff 👉 👈

I may play unshackled though

[storm wadi]

Anguished ymir is going to be scary

[grave fulcrum]

why tho theres better options than ymir gear only thing worth is ojocs

[vocal basalt]

Im aware but i wont just use the absolute meta. I want agatho hammer and ybf

[storm wadi]

The gear is pretty good and has plenty of niche uses

[grave fulcrum]

ybf might be the only useful one imo

since you have better options from the current event for 1 handed weapons

[vocal basalt]

I'd love to see an agatho hammer buff honestly. Its bonus to ward dmg makes me wanna use it against ymir

[short osprey]

Ymir cliffside cuirass is top tier tower chest and will go crazy at high anguish imo

[raven bane]

Shield could be decent in anguish.

[vocal basalt]

Indeed, especially with strikes of ursa

[storm wadi]

Been using the shield against titans, helps with the dragon damage reduction.. I think

[vocal basalt]

I'd love to try some strikes of ursa build. No use for crit, just tankiness and CD

[timber furnace]

Yes, it has high def/res and 25% protect chance

[short osprey]

And 1 of only 2 chest pieces with dragon resist

[sinful vapor]

Heretics are sad about not being able to wear it, but not really because of sigil stormflask

[languid adder]

OMG I FORGOT ABOUT YMIR

How could i forgor about Amorri+ armor

(yes i am cringe, fight me)

[fierce cedar]

.. i have never used this thing

is there a reason to now?

[grave fulcrum]

It's super neiche

But chance to live through 100% hpbar

[fierce cedar]

its not a very good chance

[short osprey]

Ymir chest was a staple in my Ang1.0 Swansong tower build

[languid adder]

25% to negate 100% of damage is pretty damn huge

[grave fulcrum]

But neiche because how often are you 100% 1shot from max hp

[languid adder]

Exactly!
Now... That will happen quite often i assume x3

[fierce cedar]

if i were to compare 25% chance to disregard 100% effective hp dmg, and 4% chance for tower mob to be berserk, i would say orna rng is broken

[short osprey]

the parapet isn't even the reason, it's just that dragon resist is HUGE in towers for niddys and the other other option is bulwark which just has less def/res and ward that you don't need

[grave fulcrum]

For dragon res+ high def?

[fierce cedar]

bulwark is so much better

[grave fulcrum]

No frfr tho it's like 25% chance is actually a 1/256 chance but a 4% chance is 1/4

[fierce cedar]

not bulwark

this*

[short osprey]

can't be used with Swansong or any other 2H weapon with AoE

[grave fulcrum]

Yah that's not bad but in places where a bunch of ward doesn't matter wouldn't like surtr shield be better

[fierce cedar]

ok i get it

[languid adder]

Maybe as beo or summoner

[fierce cedar]

its a deity thing

[grave fulcrum]

No id agree a deity who's zeroing people in pvp uses it

[languid adder]

If i am the one who deals damage, why should i want to press defend...? What should happen?
Staling for 10.000 rounds?

[short osprey]

Deity should be using Trev, Swan, or Gandering if you want to clear towers at a decent rate

[languid adder]

But also then why do PvP if you wanna send 2 hours getting 0 rewards xD

[grave fulcrum]

Btw trev tomorrow I think

[short osprey]

We're talking about anguish tho, not pvp

[grave fulcrum]

Pvp defense?

[languid adder]

Mine never used defend :(

[grave fulcrum]

Yah it's one of those you use a pet who likes to spam bastion

While having like 30k def res

[languid adder]

OH

bastion from pet procs that?

Mother of god

[grave fulcrum]

Pretty sure

[languid adder]

Steward golem looking might fine again

[grave fulcrum]

Otherwise I so no reason for anyone to use golems

Than for ward of XYZ

And the res buffs

Anyways when did tower titians start hitting like a truck

On Ang 0

[languid adder]

When towerfell got buffed for everything thats not a player

Use rhada jewels, it does a lot, or a 80% resistance amity for the special elements

[pearl mango]

Say hi to my little friend

[obsidian jackal]

No, you're edge maxxing, don't be afraid to put your crown even if people are mocking you King

[finite flint]

so anguish 4 is 1/196?

[full peak]

probably

(also different for each anguish, but most likely works that way ...cuz decimal "%" wouldn't make much sense)

[naive lynx]

Any talk on reducing the proof cost to level anguish paths?

[nocturne night]

Not really, no

[naive lynx]

Was just curious

[sinful vapor]

They've already been reduced once lol

[nocturne night]

They did what now?

[sinful vapor]

Didn't the cost use to grow even more per level

[bronze plinth]

I havent seen any decrease in cost

[sinful vapor]

I thought it was one of the early patches

Must be confused

[bronze plinth]

It was talked alot that it should happen

[naive lynx]

I don't think it was ever reduced. Just talked about like Son said. Was just curious if was even still being talked about.

[nocturne night]

not that I'm aware. Cost to levellup has been unchanged

only the item in shops' costs were changed

from growing to static

[sinful vapor]

Yeah idk what patch note stuck in my mind as changing the proof costs

[peak pond]

I think only the no. of dropped proofs of despair increased (which is similar to reduced proof cost per level 😉 )

[naive lynx]

People farm despair?

[short osprey]

[harsh geyser]

not... well 😅

I'm about to hit ang4 on despair and kinda don't want to see any more world mobs ever again.
It's a lot better after the recent change that increased drop rate by like 2x or more.

[naive lynx]

The rates are way better but it's just mind numbing Imo. There's just no ummm pizaz? Just tapping mobs over and over and over. No risk or even like a random event haha

[harsh geyser]

Definitely needs some love. I wish it was tied to riftbreaks at the very least, since that'd be something a little more active (hunt down a riftbreak then clear it within the hour for proofs).

[naive lynx]

Like imagine world farming and getting smacked by a horde with sequencer gear on or a mini event raid instead of the mob (suuuuper low chance)

[naive lynx]

I'm shocked it's not tbh

Rift breaks regardless of mob tier should drops the proofs. It'd make people look for them a lot more

[harsh geyser]

I mean, it works with riftbreaks that have T10 enemies (notably great pegs in vagrant beasts) -- but ideally everything in the riftbreak.

[peak pond]

Yesterday, I farmed world bosses for 1 hour. 500 stardrops, 6x GF with dragon crest (yeah!), and ALMOST enough proofs for Ang 2! 😂

[naive lynx]

I have to do Star drops too and I'm not looking forward to it lol

[fierce cedar]

weird, its like everything ive been saying

[naive lynx]

What do you mean?

[fierce cedar]

idk how to search in this thread

youll have to scroll up yourself

(or not)

[naive lynx]

I dont think I want to this thread is hella long 😂

[livid sonnet]

only 4.7k messages :v

[languid adder]

World Farming in Orna definitely needs love. World map has the biggest potential, but is also the most underused Feature.

We could have Towers and monuments layered out in the real map. We could have group fights, random event chains you can get sucked into. So, so much Potential.

[languid adder]

That would be fun. Actually engaging with them instead of tapping 10 mobs and hoping someone else finishes it

[fierce cedar]

no chance

have you tried? if a riftbreak spawns near me, im either busy doing something else OR its 15-20m walk out of the way OR its 45m past the hour

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and 500 mobs in one hour is not easy solo

[grave fulcrum]

Not it's not meant to be soloed it's something that you join and it ties you to like 6 globally

[oak axle]

2.0 still straight trash. I am glad they make sure I get an exp bonus as maxed. There is no damn bonus in this system. The game is close to pointless if maxed, you really only have pvp. The new system kill 2/3 of my orn progression for my ascension.

[grave fulcrum]

So what I'm hearing is you're in anguish over anguish 2.0 because it actually became difficult?

Anyways endless is free orns gained something like 400m orns in 5-6 endless that I spent maybe 2 hrs running

[fierce cedar]

did you used to do horde boss, or goblins?

[oak axle]

I would do goblin, quick and easy 10m per dungeon.

Now 3

[grave fulcrum]

So you'd abuse party reset for goblin forts

[oak axle]

?

[grave fulcrum]

Instead of running horde boss or endless

Party reset use to at least bypass the goblin fort CD because it was party based

[oak axle]

I am not talking about party

[grave fulcrum]

No you're talking about 10m orns per goblin fortress

[oak axle]

Really i am talking about negative 2/3 of my orn farming gone.

Mean more tedious to move my ascension lvl, because that is the only aspect of the game to keep playing.

An the plateau to catch up is further away now.

[grave fulcrum]

Or just run endless it's not tedious nor is it all that difficult. Use d.ara and get endless 300 easily endless 400 if you don't have 7 zerks back to back and further if you have a ton of def res

Set up 3-5 at a time and spend an hr or 2 running them throughout the day

[spiral goblet]

Sounds tedious

[oak axle]

Yeah especially when you used to get 50m in 45 minutes.

[spiral goblet]

Oh endless is definitely way way way more lucrative than those gains! It's just never been my jam

[oak axle]

Yeah that what I am saying, i don't want to be on the screen that long.

I thought the main reason for the 2.0 was for raids, but that doesn't even looks like it's worth it.

[grave fulcrum]

I get 100 mil in 30 mins from a single run to 350ish and it's spam 1 button add extra button if immune to 250 then ensure you have t.def res 3 up and go back to pushing same button unless it's immune

[paper void]

This is a really great example of 1.0’s shortcomings more than anything - it was just seen as an easy bonus, rather than a reward for playing with difficulty

[grave fulcrum]

Odie is the party reset for deep dungeons still a thing or did you patch that out

[paper void]

Ah, the poop emoji - glad we’re being concise. Great debate 🙂

[fierce cedar]

must.. resist

[oak axle]

Well I used it to bridge the gap for al for my pvp play.

Now I am set back

Making the plateau even further

[paper void]

There are plenty of ways to fill that gap that don’t require the aforementioned “trick”, etc. this is just highlighting why the guild needed a change

[grave fulcrum]

Imo this makes the Al gap less due to anguish 2.0 requiring als to get further so the people who have 100+ als will cap out because of difficulty sooner than you will and they'll be able to increase Al but the anguish will still be the same

Plus Odie nuked refineries and towers and fishing are pretty easy ways to grind mats as well as endless for orns about 100m orns per endless with temple+ shine + Vulcans brew + coin

You can get more with an orn event or spelunking event up

[oak axle]

Over time maybe but still farther but not equal to.

[grave fulcrum]

Also Odie has released multiple ways to do pvp without als involved for kg and territories theres the pvp guild as well

[fierce cedar]

you sound like a rs dorado player

[grave fulcrum]

Who me?

[fierce cedar]

yea sorry @ jinx

[grave fulcrum]

Ew don't accuse me of such treason lmfao

[fierce cedar]

dealing with ascension in kingdom war is still kinda a main reason i feel guilty for not ascending

its a good motivator, cause its inter subjective, your kingdom mates care (a tiny amount )

[grave fulcrum]

See any Al is beatable in pvp

[oak axle]

Al is the only end game play.

[grave fulcrum]

Okay let me know when you have anguish 25 on all 4 paths

Then tell me Al is the only endgame

Oh and make sure you do it shackled

Since that's where the actual difficulty is

[fierce cedar]

we need HoA and Orna tags so bad...

[oak axle]

I mean ascension is the only end game play.

After that nothing elreally matters.

[grave fulcrum]

Nah I'm back playing orna for the time being need my Trev staff and I got bored of 13 als

[steep jetty]

Im with you

But this varies per player imo, not all people have this kind of mindset

[grave fulcrum]

If that's how you view the game I hope it eventually changes otherwise you'll end up quiting the game after a while because all you did was grind mats and orns and repeat

[fierce cedar]

how are you adapting to the new ang2 & refinery stuff?

did it slow you down, or spread you out into new gameplay, or (???)

[steep jetty]

Yeah it slows me down ofc, im not in 2.0 yet though
Despite me not playing the game actively anymore (just 5 daily towers), i still have tons of proofs to spend before moving on

[grave fulcrum]

What mat are you waiting on

[steep jetty]

Wolf's blood (i missed it last week, but it'll be on ang shop this friday)

[fierce cedar]

oh, i didnt know you stopped

[steep jetty]

Yeah, the early 2.0 shackles demotivates me to actually grind the game

[grave fulcrum]

Specially with the way they were implemented right

still hoping we get a slidy bar that make it so you decide how difficult it should be and the rewards gained based on the al. give recomended al range and reward players for less als reduce some rewards for more als

[fierce cedar]

what

10m ago you arguing for ascension is the past, shackles is the future

now we need more rewards to speed up ascension?

[grave fulcrum]

yes shackles would still be there

based on the amount of als you have if you can run anguish 10+ with 0 als you deserve more rewards

you also deserve the ability to give your own challanges

if youre looking for relaxing gameplay that allows you to grind content you should beable to use a bit more als

this has mostly been my stance for a while

im very much for the play your way this game offers

and shackles in its current form is anti play your way

[fierce cedar]

i feel like the numbers that you want to change (ascension, down or up) and the numbers that we can change (anguish, up or down) basically do the same thing

like if you take my stats and divide by the monster stats, we get one number

[grave fulcrum]

no its different things

if something is recomended al 30

but i wana try to run it with 10 als

i cant without hoc

and i gain nothing for doing it this way

on the other side

if i wana run something thats al 30 but im really struggling due to gear options or just poor luck

i can run it with 50 als with reduced rewards id say al/recomended should give rewards total

[fierce cedar]

what hoc?
this is proof that ascension lvl 5 vs anguish 3 is the same(~) as ascension lvl 19 vs anguish 4

[grave fulcrum]

so 10 als is 2/3's better 50 is 2/3 worse

[grave fulcrum]

i feel like youre missing the point

[fierce cedar]

if something is rec al 30 you want to run it with 10, level up your anguish higher

[steep jetty]

not that im entirely disagreeing
but we have to keep in mind that stuffs like stat passive isnt mult with ALs, then there's ang gears (that is also isnt mult with ALs), and other things like all these new modifiers in ang 2.0 (unlike 1.0, where everything is just stats)

[fierce cedar]

yea the new passive game is a lot

i think its pretty cool how we've already seen separate adjustments to different anguish paths to make different game modes all feel good. old anguish was a hammer

[grave fulcrum]

the difficulty for something recomended 30 als is less than something with recomended al 60 and not to mention the malus things for a higher anguish may make it too difficult to run at a lower al at al 60 but managable at al30 and again why should i do a higher difficulty with less als if i dont get more for doing so

[fierce cedar]

and no offense but i love that the new gear is sandboxed away from pvp

[grave fulcrum]

the entire point is you choose your difficulty instead of shackled or unshackled you choose exactly what al you wana be instead of being forced to the highest al allowed for each anguish

[fierce cedar]

your premise is you want to and your argument is why should i want to, if i dont get rewarded more

.. so i think i dont get it, or youre not really sure what you want

[oak axle]

I think they should have updated it just for the raid because that was the only thing broken about anguish.

[grave fulcrum]

its called pushing the limits for more rewards give incentive for pushing limits further while reducing rewards for making it easier

[grave fulcrum]

negative ghost rider

[oak axle]

Still no rewards though.

[grave fulcrum]

yes there are

[oak axle]

Like

[grave fulcrum]

theres pleanty of rewards currently but its restricting for high als to wana run it as well as rewards arent valuable for high als

like?

[oak axle]

Like what rewards exactly?

[fierce cedar]

the rewards arent valuable for high al cause you need more stuff?

[grave fulcrum]

hmm idk theres proofs of each path theres anguished gear and passives theres increased orns gold exp luck

[grave fulcrum]

no because the time spent for them isnt as valuable as it is for lower als

[oak axle]

Exp...
I'm maxed.

[fierce cedar]

because lower al players need less stuff?

[grave fulcrum]

so you have the gf overleveled badge?

[grave fulcrum]

no because theyd be spending roughly the same amount of time reguardless

high als take like 7 seconds to kill a.mori ang 0

[fierce cedar]

so because high and low al players spend the same amt of time

but high al are entitled to spend less time

because al

[paper void]

It’s your choice whether you max the exp bonus or others. Ang 2.0 level 25 will have the same orn bonus as Ang 1.0 level 50, for example

[grave fulcrum]

no theyre side is we have the als we already got through the buffing more stage so the rewards of increasing to 3 mins for a raid or 3 mins to run a dungeon is less valueable

than for someone who hey im already gonna spend 3 mins doing this so im spending the same amount of time to gain more rewards/more drops

late game players are efficiency based which is where lots of complaints come from

[fierce cedar]

define late game

[grave fulcrum]

100+ als

even 50+ als

where people are capable of 2-3 shotting a raid and 1:30 dungeon boss complete

imo theres no reason to increase al after you get to the minmax cap

[fierce cedar]

in my opinion al is useless after compensating for bad ornate rolls (~20 lvls)

[oak axle]

Is there a tread on the lvl'ing requirements, so I can get a timeline on how long it will take me.

[fierce cedar]

and obviously in BRYEs opinion al is never useless until you can cause an integer overflow on the stats page

[steep jetty]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1298098992147595304

[fierce cedar]

maybe even not then

[oak axle]

For anguish, my man.

[steep jetty]

its just what im playing the game for, really
my "personal goal" in playing this game

[steep jetty]

ah thought it was about the player's exp
there is one for 1.0 as it is based on a set formula, i cant answer for 2.0 though, maybe its the same(?)

[oak axle]

I'll ask on the east coast discord, someone might have it.

[grave fulcrum]

try the ol discord

[languid adder]

Another alt abuse trick im unaware of?
Okay its time to ban alts ☠️

[languid adder]

How did towers get nuked, and fishing?

[languid adder]

I do hope shackles get reworked into something that respects veterans more eventually. That is the only thing that genuenly offends me about Anguish 2.0, and the thing i still have no sympathy that it got implemented the way it did, especially cause it contradicts the statement in the reddit announcement that shackles should be so you can progress at about the same speed - hoped for a fun difficulty curve that slowly gets more, and not an illusion of choice or portrayed droprates that dont reflect reality :(

But mostly, i am not a fan that my ALs get held hostage, turned into plot tokens, beeing asked to grind to be able to what i already earned without penalty, and that for hundreds of hours until im allowed to enjoy again what was mine in the first place.
And that, for those hundreds of hours, i gain nothing for them.
A slight reduction in proof cost for level up per AL over the required limit, or a slight bonus in drops that only apply to your highest anguish, a new type of proof i can spend that only drops on your highest anguish for the difference in ALs you have over whats required for that level, that only drop if you shackle... Anything.

If the goal is to take them away for difficulty, im all for it, but not without compensation.

[grave fulcrum]

towers and fishing didnt just a lack of punctuation haha i was saying theyre realtively easy to graind mats out

[languid adder]

Oooh okay, yeah i agree, i was confused x3

[grave fulcrum]

sorry lol

[bronze plinth]

I never did party resetting in gob forts and i did get alot orns with them. Best was 13m

[bronze plinth]

Endless is so annoying to set up. It should never be the only option

But i feel like ang 2.0 still has some potential in gobs. I just need to get the levels up

If the zerk chance works in deeps it could be very good for gobs

[grave fulcrum]

Ik but they're less effienct than running endless or horde boss

[grave fulcrum]

Endless takes like 5 mins to setup that's including my class swap and stoping at floor 100 to add boosters

[full peak]

Tbh I would rather run hard boss dung than goblin 🤷‍♂️

[grave fulcrum]

As well as a gear swap for aegir stance

Anymore endless is actually easy to set up because all the new gear that doesn't require 6 pet swaps to get buffs and ward turns

[bronze plinth]

And in 5-8mins the gob dungeon is already done

I never liked doing endless

[grave fulcrum]

If youre pinpoint precise sure and not slowing down to kill anything or grab all the stones

I've found that I could run them without anguish in 10 mins and the sweet spot was 5 an hr

[bronze plinth]

I loved ang gobforts bc it was kinda fast and easy to get fast orns

• hard mode rewards

[grave fulcrum]

But lets say you get 13m orns and you can complete 8 in an hr about 100m orns for that hr or you spend 15 mins setting up 3 endless and get about 120m in that hr with only hitting 1 or 2 buttons

That's if you can complete 8 in an hr

[bronze plinth]

Difference is that the other one can fail and the other does not

[grave fulcrum]

I found 6 to be pushing the limits for full clear rocks + killing any boss

You set up 3 as long as you get floor 200 on all 3 you get 120m

[bronze plinth]

It will always give you atleast 6m orns but average for me was about 8-9m

I mean i do have othet things to do in life than spending hours in endless. If i can get 6-13m in 8mins i can just do something else for the rest of the hour amd do the same thing after cooldown

I still have to work and study at the same time so the gob forts were the best for fast orns

[grave fulcrum]

Endless 400 takes 30 mins if your paying attention and gives you 4ish hrs between start and finish

[bronze plinth]

I mean that 30mins is still out of my studies

8mins vs 30mins

[grave fulcrum]

You're probably running 5 gob forts a day?

[bronze plinth]

I do 1 each hour if i have one in ot

[grave fulcrum]

So as many as 16

8x 16

Or you run 1 hr and have similar/equal gains

And have more time to study

And work

You're proving why endless is a better option here

[bronze plinth]

And miss the 16 eod rewards?

[grave fulcrum]

EOD rewards can be gained when you have more time to relax rather than when you've got studying and work to do

Eg on a weekend

[bronze plinth]

I mean if i can get decent amount of orns and get eod rewards its a win

Not to mention i also get guild "proofs" for mats

[grave fulcrum]

Not to mention you can probably run 16 hard normals at the end of your day to get EOD rewards and it'll only take you 1 min 30 seconds to run them each*

[grave fulcrum]

This is the only compelling thing you've said and still the guilds prices are so bad for time spent

[bronze plinth]

I mean gon fort offers all of those so its a win

[grave fulcrum]

Pretty sure you can run 16 boss dungeons and get more proofs of melechaly in less time

[bronze plinth]

Instead of doing 1hr for endless+ 16 hardmode dungeons + some other stuff to grind proofs so i can get more mats

[grave fulcrum]

Or hard normal

[grave fulcrum]

Hard mode anguish when at a min max anguish level I Wana say around 4-6 unshackled will give you more proofs for less time spent running the initial gf gives you hard EOD and can still be done with enough time to run 1 endless 400

And you can push further in endless and get anywhere from 100m orns to I think my buddy gets floor 700

[bronze plinth]

Sure but that requires some time

You cant change my opinions

[grave fulcrum]

Looks like there's no reason to continue this

[bronze plinth]

Correct

[full peak]

Make gob fort for all the reward in one !

Proofs, orns, EoDs.... it just take infinity more time then doing it "separately" from other.

Jinx is just right in this one. 🤷‍♂️

In 10 hours of your gob forts, 8 minutes per one:

• you do 75 of them
• for hefty 670 mil orns
• and how many T10 you met there for proofs? Let's say 200 T10 kills? no idea how many you do there
• and also about 200 hard EoDs chances?

In 10 hours some mid will run

• 6 endless (6x30 minutes = 3 hours) for nice 670 mil orns (that will be really bad runs imo, which could be done with AL0 deity)
• in 2 hours I will do 200 T1 hards for same amount of EoDs (or a bit mroe tbh)
• and it will leave me with 5 hours for running T11s for proofs ....which is 90 sec per dung, taking 120 sec - clicking and stuff - 150x T11 horde dungs, with nice ~4500 kills to get proofs

🫡

Gob fort is really low tier content, or waste time for high tier, it doesnt offer much, cmon.🤷‍♂️

[tacit ridge]

Gob forts were a great source of orns for Gilga players, even in the high end of ALs, simply because endless is simply not good with that class

[vocal basalt]

Coming to say i used to run gob forts all the time for the orns 😩

As a gilg who hates endless (aka a regular gilg)

[full peak]

Hard boss dung all the way, no?

[tacit ridge]

Not really sustainable long term unless you’re abusing alt runs

[vocal basalt]

Yea its super expensive

[raven bane]

Imo a good fix would be large orn piles available for spelunking shards. Can have them scale with tier to not be too abuseable early and would actually push the main spelunking mechanic and allow people to level that guild without it being a complete waste. Even with peak anguish it wasnt hitting rates that endless would hit so I don't see the harm in it being a 2nd best orn farm plus some secondary benefits.

Feels like gilga lost its two primary orn farming methods with new anguish: ability to farm high anguish with bogs seems out of the picture but used to offer a very nice 'passive' income and goblin forts as a primary. Since new anguish drop I've been doing basically just DM and hard horde boss which is pretty unsustainable.

[full peak]

THAT is actually nice idea.

Finally the guild will have its own purpose matching its content.

[raven bane]

I'll make a formal suggestion

[tacit ridge]

Damn, I never thought of that, that’s a great idea!

[left mauve]

aw damn, Gilgas agaiiin ?

[raven bane]

Deep dungeons in general could use some more purpose. Even with anguish no one played mystic caves

[vocal basalt]

Oh man thats some extra brainpower right there

Imma vote

Oh no wait

I was thinking more of those orn piles you find inside the deep dg. They could get buffed by orn gear

This would help quite a bit. Ive done tons of deep dgs and I'd feel excited to find orn and gold piles for once heheh

[harsh geyser]

large orn piles available for spelunking shards
This is how I already use them 😅 just on shrines of luck.

To help out lowbies, this seems like a good potential fit.

If 600 spelunkshards buys a shrine of luck which is worth like ~300mil orns to an ascended T11 endless grinder, then maybe 600 spelunkshards are worth like 30mil orns to a fresh T10. People can buy the raw orns early on when they can't endless, or just for "easy" orns, or they buy the shrine for deeper gains (not unlike in towers, buying mats versus buying DMs->mats).

[full peak]

I'm buying shrines in seer guild. 👀

[vocal basalt]

In spelunking guild shrines pay for themselves if you can run 6 deep dgs

[raven bane]

Personally think its better if all late game orn farming doesn't boil down to endless but that's a gilga speaking so

[harsh geyser]

I think it would be better if it wasn't only endless -- but I'd be deeply concerned if anything was made to be as close to efficient as endless.
It's already really screwed up that people can focus on endless for like 2-3 days and generate enough orns to ascend for a year. 😅

[raven bane]

I thought, at least at t11, old goblin anguish levels were around 130-150m an hour and felt good, and you got a few EOD rewards rolls too. Prob less than half as efficient compared to current endless and requires less setup. I don't think that's too close that it would break the game.

I'm clocking great Oracle DM at about 70m an hour with no event if you're on the ball, but they provide tons of materials, so some diverse options there

[harsh geyser]

Napkin math numbers: (lmk if this is ballpark correct with what you're seeing @raven bane)

can clear like 8? forts in an hour, which is something like 1000 spelunkshards per hour.
with low ang, getting ~5ish mil orns per gobbo, for a baseline of 40mil orns per hour.

ergo -- 1000 spelunkshards could probably buy 100mil orns and that would be fine. 50mil to be conservative, 200mil to be brave.
(note: 600ss buys a luck shrine, which is 100-300mil orns in endless depending on ascension/depth)

[vocal basalt]

Also one serious advantage for goblin forts and longevity is that you can just do one when you feel like it and be done in a few minutes. Endless requires so much setting up and time its an easy burnout

[raven bane]

I think 8-12 is probably right, but that was the old way of just clearing t8+ bosses. Likely would be considerably slower if we're doing all the mining. Could do some testing as I never have done that

[harsh geyser]

2-year old post (and whole thread is worth a re-read tbh) talking about orn rates, surprisingly aged well:
https://discordapp.com/channels/448527960056791051/1135636657396269128/1135643872807100426

[vocal basalt]

Damn just watched egberts vid

His english accent is perfect. Isnt he portuguese?

Unrelated as fug im just impressed 🤷

[oak axle]

Just one boss. Still had a great possibility of stacking for more. Another ornate BoG 6m for tier 10 zerk boss.

[nocturne night]

It's my script, but it's not my voice. I did not have a proper microphone or environment to record at the time, so I recruited my good friend NomadCasts, whose entire career is talking into a microphone

He is, in fact, british, so you're not getting a better english accent than that lol

[raven bane]

I would say old anguish with gob fort averages around 10-15m a fort

[vocal basalt]

Oh im glad i didnt say "near perfect accent" then 😂

[full peak]

I would like to know, where these numbers come from...I was able to so 200-300 mil/hour in endless as AL50-60 Deity before rework. (#🏆│triumph-and-tragedy message)

With AL70 and some terrors and experience I managed to pull 400-500mil/hour (#837372042985996319 message)

Right after patch release and similar AL I was able to get to almost a bilion per hour.

Now I'm at bilion per 40 minute run endless....

AL0 DAra with right equip as lvl250 has to be able to pull your 300mil/hour.👀

All those numbers are with all boosters (really not running any other time).

Ok, somehow it just speaks how much Deity is broken, but I dont think summoner is that much behind? RS isnt that bad either....100-300 are really low values.

Seems that whole convo of endless orn happened during my break, those 300+ I pulled right after coming back 2-3 months later.

Guess it would put Deity somehow in all those rankings even before.

[harsh geyser]

Just one boss, and I only have 2x legend bogs 😛

[harsh geyser]

I did 600mil endless in 40mins just the other day (i.e.. last week) with shrine.
It can get higher during rift event with the easy cheesy orn dropper enemies, but otherwise I think my ballpark is about right for endgame endless.

300mil/hr, x2 with luck shrine. Obviously changes during temples, events (both orn rate events and events with lucrative orn enemies), and depends on luck and ascension and gear.

Ascension gives linear depth, which gives quadratic (orn) rewards. 🤷‍♂️

[full peak]

I mean, I read the whole convo about endless and those numbers was eh even for my before Deity rework (as stated numbers with screens back in the time).

[harsh geyser]

If you're saying I'm being conservative then sure. If you think goblin fortress spamming should be spitting out many hundreds of millions of orns/hr to "catch up" then I'd disagree with you.

[sinful vapor]

Smh... here I am, AL50 Heretic, excited about 300mil orns an hour

Billion/40minutes is nuts

[left mauve]

it come from shitton of event/consumable orn boosters, leg+ Bog, probably some really good 25%accessory amity, and a bunch of really good RNG. Maybe some anguish cheese to, and of course god tier loadout.
Also he did it while being plug right at the but of the server i suppose, so no lag at all ever.

[sinful vapor]

I'm doing hardmode ang2.0 lvl1 with vulcan brew, one leg bog (one normal)