(C/K)onqueror's Guild Live Beta Discussion

[zenith scarab]

Alright, put yourself in the position of many players who have no one else they can compete with locally. You own everything around you, you rarely travel and get to fight other players. So the feature essentially becomes dead to you 9/10 days besides clicking rps

NPC's retake close stuff, you get to take it back

[remote onyx]

That is my position actually 😅 Personally, I wouldn’t find much fun in fighting the NPCs

[zenith scarab]

Keep in mind I am not trying to convince you personally it's better, just telling you how I think it's better.

[serene dirge]

you currently get notifications + messages, yes

imo, keeping areas without effort in low contest areas is unfair to others - having some active gameplay in conqueror's guild is warranted

[remote onyx]

If they’re low contest areas, who is it unfair to though?

[magic lion]

^ if they have to be contested to get rewards, I don't really see how it's unfair. I could travel 100 or 1000 miles away on a trip and keep my settlements that are in the middle of nowhere in an uncontested area because it's not close to my OT. I don't see how the unfair argument holds up

[remote onyx]

Since areas need to be contested to generate rewards, I truly don’t see the issue. Either they’re being contested and the player is being successful in defending them (and therefore has earned them), or they’re not being contested (and therefore aren’t causing unfairness) and will eventually stop generating rewards

[zenith scarab]

Assuming it is a "Contested" state that refreshes income generation and not just interaction of some sort. (I am not sure how this actually functions) Wouldn't it be an advantage to be able to periodically refresh income from settlements near your own OT by retaking them?

[supple violet]

Just fight yourself with an alt ||lmfao||

[serene dirge]

the difference is that nearby settlements always contribute to your rewards. this example includes far settlements, so it would not be the same comparison

[serene dirge]

if you and i own the same amount of nearby settlements, and you are in a low contest place while i am in high contest, you are at an advantage - i need to go out constantly to defend, you would not

NPC takeovers ensure we both have an active piece with respect to nearby settlements

[remote onyx]

Ah, you meant unfair in comparison to high contest areas. I can see that point

Still not a fan of being contested by NPCs just for the sake of it, but I do understand the reasoning behind it

Again, if it’s a low radius and the option to maintain settlements isn’t prohibitively expensive I’m not really bothered by it

[serene dirge]

we're all good then imo 🙂

[crisp condor]

I need the update on live servers

Reeee

[zenith scarab]

What do you mean when you say 'maintain' settlements?

[remote onyx]

Though, now that I look at it better, it doesn’t seem like a timer reset, but more like a 1 day protection period

[zenith scarab]

Alright, thank you for the clarification!

[remote onyx]

I think I mixed it up with upkeep

I’d be more of a fan if this worked more like Upkeep and reset the timer instead of delaying it for a day (assuming I’m reading this right)

[unreal lily]

I wonder if an enterprising sort of person could find someone's OT by triangulation if the NPC-retake radius is known. That being said, I trust NF to have the origin of the circle be randomized near the OT, and/or the radius to be somewhat randomized as well. Historically NF has been excellent about preventing in-game OT doxing.

[zenith scarab]

It would take quite a lot of observation over time and extrapolation of data, however I do think it would be possible for someone who lived in the same general area. Then again I am pretty sure people who live in the same area might already have some idea of that now.

[magic lion]

It's pretty obvious where local people live currently based on the territories they take when you can see their OT (even without seeing any OT buildings if it's a neighborhood territory) for any player that is heavily invested. Ofc in a large city it'll be much harder to pinpoint an exact house, but rural areas are extremely obvious with or without territories being taken. Seems like it would be harder to triangulate with settlements because it's very noticeable without triangulation atm. Guess that's the benefit of settlements being randomized and not laid out like the current territories

[rapid fossil]

In their current state, they are too expensive. I'm waiting to see if it's updated. I have 4,504 proofs of conquering only after tons of crowns taken and there is no way I could activate them with any regularity at 1,000+ proofs a pop.

[remote onyx]

Fair, I hadn’t considered that. Having something that only pertains to nearby territories scale with both near and far away territories doesn’t make much sense

[rapid fossil]

Did I miss somewhere someone said that the ramparts only affects nearby ones? The description sure sounded like it affected all of them

[jolly sable]

@rapid fossil npcs only take nearby settlements, so this rampart is only useful for nearby settlements

[rapid fossil]

Oh that one specifically. I was talking about all of them as a whole.

[remote onyx]

Yea, that’s what I meant

[rapid fossil]

Ah, gotcha. And @jolly sable, since Crownguards also protect against them, I've been wondering if the Spiked Barricades are even necessary. I suppose it's just an alternative, or maybe the crownguards are a smaller protect chance.

[remote onyx]

And 2 of the crownguards also last for 24h, effectively overshadowing the spiked barricades. I’d propose changing the spiked barricades to “resets the timer before NPCs start challenging for your settlements”, at least then they’d have their own niche

[rapid fossil]

West West Ville

[serene dirge]

“Really West Ville” was taken

[cursive solar]

It's like West Vile but more West

[spark glade]

City of Towns Ville vibes here

[crisp condor]

The West Side of the West Region from the Kingdom of Westerners

[rapid fossil]

There's probably a Best Western there.

[latent wave]

I am still unclear if it's even worth taking multiple crownships. I see that I get additional rewards but is it worth the investment?

[frozen wasp]

It depends on what you deem as "worth it". To some people, yes, its worth the time spent. To others, no.

[latent wave]

I guess I should ask what is the actual return. Say you get 10 orns from owning a settlement. What is the decrease for each teir? Like 10,5,3,2,1 for example?

[little sentinel]

So, how soon? 😈chomping hard at the bit to increase my materials faster

[crisp condor]

Maybe this year

[rapid fossil]

I believe it's the same amount for owning any one of the crowns and diminishing returns on multiple crowns of the same settlement. If I remember correctly.

[latent wave]

I guess I'm just trying to determine what the D R is because I don't want to spend 15 minutes per settlement if the return is not worth it

[rapid fossil]

Well I think at that point your goal would be to get stronger to make it worth your time. I can clear out a whole settlement and choose the rewards in 20-30 seconds. Which makes it quite worth it (if they remove these caps before live, that is. Otherwise it won't be worth the time in regards to rewards, at least)

[unreal lily]

if it is worth it to take one crownship, by the same argument it's worth it to take the other four at the same settlement.

I think the diminishing returns on rewards is across all crownships. Not specific to the crownships within one settlement. ||But Odie won't just tell me 😭||

It should be the case that you get the same daily rewards by owning the top crownship of 5 settlements as you do from owning all the crownships of 1 settlement. Just cares about total count (and is diminished, such that rewards don't scale linearly with total crownships).

[rapid fossil]

Just another at 4,876. Definitely had been hitting caps on all fronts but gold

[rapid fossil]

Definitely still hope to see no caps and a rebalance of Ramparts costs

[glossy surge]

I was hoping getting mutliple shrine would stack duration over time

[rapid fossil]

I could do without stacking, I want to see a chance to get one of each shrine. How can I plan for it if I get the wrong shrine?

[glossy surge]

so 4 materials at 250, daily, 2M orns and 20 Guild Tokens

[glossy surge]

that or finaly get consumable shrines from them random drops

I know there are a few random drops (daily chest? or town hall) that also give you a shrine that if you did not plan for, then too bad

[rapid fossil]

The daily chest one says it gives you a shrine, but there's no effect. It's odd

[swift flame]

Yeah, I do kinda wish the shrines were consumable.

[serene dirge]

Quick hype of the badges we've made for those opting in to the conqueror's guild:

Both reputation and competitive rank will be immortalized on our profiles

[clever scroll]

I get 0 badges

[foggy gyro]

i wonder when he will come sir odie

[serene dirge]

public beta is oct 15th for Orna

[crisp condor]

Gibe

[foggy gyro]

on the 15th of the month, so thank you

[silk grotto]

You will get at least years in game 🤣

[pliant needle]

Is this opting in fully, giving up the classic fully?

[serene dirge]

Either option

[crisp condor]

Bring it on

[west plinth]

Ooh sweet. I'm feeling like embarking on some 'one last hurrah' trips

[supple violet]

so if I never build it I can get more stuff to immortalize?

[rapid fossil]

I could get nothing else and I would be pleased with these badges. Thank you!

[viscid parrot]

Will it come like this to the orna? Or will it decrease?

[jolly sable]

iirc it was said that economy adjustments will happen during the live beta period

[rapid fossil]

They have gotten adjusted a couple of times since, and ended up here. I suppose it's up to the studio to make further adjustments, but going live in HoA doesn't leave me extremely hopeful. I guess we'll see.

[orchid plover]

Is the public beta happening on the live server?

[serene dirge]

yes

[rapid fossil]

Oh, I see - the public release will be another form of beta?

[orchid plover]

So any progress made on conqueror's will stay after? Asking to see how hard i can go on Conquerors 😈 🙈

[silk grotto]

The ones in private beta i doubt

The areas there, since is different server

[rapid fossil]

The beta is a separate server, so unless they pull some forge magic, nah

[orchid plover]

But isn't the live server, the current server?

I'm not asking about the private beta

[rapid fossil]

Oh yeah being on the live server it would stay

[serene dirge]

private beta = isolated server, progress not permanent
public beta = live servers, anyone can opt-in, progress is permanent

[viscid parrot]

Day 15 is coming to the game? The update?

[silk grotto]

Yes

[balmy ridge]

Hopefully it fully releases shortly thereafter

[cursive solar]

There's a bonus for taking land. I assume it was from settlements. I did a control, too.

[vital bolt]

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[rapid fossil]

I saw something about the traveler's Guild being what houses exploration? I don't see anything in the guild.

[crisp condor]

I think you are referring to the fact that objectives like towers and monuments might not be random anymore

Which is big if we can submit historical or important places

[rapid fossil]

No, I am referring to "Exploration rework (now located in Travellers Guild menus"

[serene dirge]

More info here: https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1285292242759843985

there’s an exploration tab in the travellers guild menu now, above your step counts

[rapid fossil]

Oh, I thought it meant that there was an area in the traveller's guild building itself. I didn't know it was referencing the location where you access the exploration feature.

[lyric yarrow]

14 - Start the game already !

[somber field]

Screen from an HoA friend

Does the live version will have x10 the cap ?

[somber field]

Do you play HoA ?

However, feels kinda stupid amount of daily materials, especially since the release start is from early October 😅

[rapid fossil]

Uhhhhh
What.

[rapid fossil]

Nah

[quartz vigil]

Between the two pet choices I don't see a reason to pick the Amarok? Everything is the same but the Oslo includes bears might?

[vital bolt]

You won't be able to negate def/res-- from the bears might so oslo might be better for tankier builds

the summon amarok/oslo spells mana cost should probably be reduced. 500 is a bit high

[quartz vigil]

Wonder what the stats are for the summons, that Oslo takes 4 turns to amaroks 1

[vital bolt]

amarok has speed III

wonder if you can encounter these mobs somewhere aka if codexer will be mad

[silk grotto]

Oslo sprite looks sick

Well, both of them

[clever scroll]

The pet??

[vital bolt]

no just the summon

[crisp condor]

Son of a-

[viscid parrot]

Is it official that the update will come on the 15th?

[serene dirge]

Week of the 15th, public beta

[crisp condor]

What is he saying is that it might not be on 15th

But 14-20

If I understood correctly

[little sentinel]

Remember there is a 30 minute downtime on the game for updates on October 15

It is in the game announcements

[acoustic steppe]

and then 0,01 to 5 days of waiting till you can download it

[rapid fossil]

In downtown Little Rock

Unless it's one of the few areas there are no natural spawns in sight, it sure looks like real-world-correlating spawns factored into the spawn rate of non-correlating settlements. So, yes in more populated areas there could be more, but you're not going to have natural spawns on top of that making it super over board. It's more than usual, which is kind of neat

Because every one of them is a correlated spawn

[tepid zodiac]

I'm pretty hyped for Orna Gyms to hit live soon

I'm can only speculate and hopez but I imagine the control scene locally will be pretty exciting

There's like half a dozen players locally

[cursive solar]

Yeah, I'm excited to delete all my territories and have less notifications.

[somber field]

you know you can disable them ?

[cursive solar]

They don't completely go away. You still get alerts in-game.

I am curious to see how the new inbox system will work.

[viscid parrot]

Everyone excited for the update? I'm waiting for everything to come today from the new guild

[jolly sable]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-too-much-energy-shaking-gif-22511742

[viscid parrot]

🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

[viscid parrot]

Why won't the new guild come now?

[crisp condor]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-scout-tf2-balls-gif-16390308937108692826

[viscid parrot]

When is it coming?

@serene dirge When is the new guild coming?

[crisp condor]

Soon

[vital bolt]

it's already there if you got the beta app

[viscid parrot]

But I'm waiting for the original

[vital bolt]

please refrain from pinging odie unnecessarily as per rule 7

[serene dirge]

you can follow #game-announcements to know when it is fully out. please try not to ping, especially during server incidents

[marsh marlin]

The public beta with the new conqueror’s guild is for Android only?

[marsh marlin]

So pretty much expect settlements to already be taken by the time iOS gets an update…

[swift flame]

I feel like if that's the case, then they should be reset when apple is finally able to join in...

[remote onyx]

Can’t we just call this a regular patch? 😅 It’s in the live servers anyway, so any change would just be a new patch on top of it

[pliant osprey]

I mean, you can already start upgrading gear (I prepped lvl10 sets for the tiers), and just hop in to take the settlements😅

[ebon tusk]

Yeah, that’s a little bit frustrating…not end of the world, but seems like just keeping it in separate Beta server would’ve been preferred.

[ebon tusk]

What’s the gear-tier limits for each Othersoul tier?

[pliant osprey]

T9/7/5/3 iirc

[magic lion]

There's not enough players in beta to accurately test everything. Need the live player base to find more issues

[ebon tusk]

Then just open it up to the whole playerbase.

[crisp condor]

It is for everyone tho

They pushed the update, now it's up the the game stores to update it

[vital bolt]

IOS people won't get it yet

[ebon tusk]

I believe it’s still considered a Beta, which is a feature that only the non-iOS folks will get to see, until it is moved out of Beta and into true updates.

[vital bolt]

as per the note #game-announcements message

[swift flame]

Lol, I played the regular beta with the beta client a bit. I've had all my gear for all the tiers for my main live client ready. But now I'm told I'll have to wait even longer and it's NOT just due to apple this time. 😦

I understand that I may have had to wait a few days longer than Android, but this delay is on a whole different level. I'd rather the update be pushed with the understanding that conquerors is in Beta-ish and will prob need to be tweaked frequently.

[wary pulsar]

The issue is that players not active on Discord won't have that understanding

Given the limited testing in the Open Private Beta, it wouldn't necessarily be a good idea for NF to suddenly spring a potentially buggy update on every unsuspecting player.

[serene dirge]

This is a large update, so we'll definitely want to get it fully tested and fixed up before pushing to the stable channels. I understand the frustration of other players seemingly having a head start, but we will still want to do the responsible thing

[lucid ermine]

We got conquerors guild microtransactions without conquerors guild 😂

[serene dirge]

good catch - thanks!

[ebon tusk]

Maybe I’ll luck out and my local big-fish rivals are all iOS users too 🤣

[cursive dove]

Anyone know how to get carving stones?

[wary pulsar]

The runeshop

Unless it's changed since beta, that is intentionally the only way

[cursive dove]

🥲

Hoping they make them like decor tokens at least so you can have a chance to get them in citadel or something.

[small sundial]

Guys help, I tried out the beta version of orna but didn't like it and after change it still acts as if I'm in beta (the conqueror's guild is built but can't enter it and I can't see exploration or control areas)

And I lost my armour

[vital bolt]

did you give your armor to an othersoul? If so i guess you'll have to opt in for beta again and unequip it

[small sundial]

That's the issue tho, it tells me that next update will be the beta update but it doesn't show me anything

(and it didn't download it with the beta update because the size was 88mb as it always was for me)

Nvm, appeared

[rapid fossil]

So the badge says 50k, but I have 63,308. Is it just going to be extreme rounding or is this a bug? I don't want to post it if it's unnecessary.

[wary pulsar]

The badges are mostly incremental

Although given in the thousands each 1000 interval has a badge, I'm surprised 60k doesn't.

Mingus hasn't switched to the new system yet so we don't know if 70k is an interval

You, Skibbio, and Mingus are the only people this effects, so I don't know how incremented Odie wanted it to be 😅

[magic lion]

I only get the 25k one at 40k lol

[ebon tusk]

Just give them each a personal named badge, honestly. 🙂

[wary pulsar]

That's kind of what "Classic Competitor #3" is

But imo the badges should probably be every 10k, even though it doesn't effect many people

[ebon tusk]

Yes but with their big ole faces on it!

[analog dew]

Just wanted to say I'm loving the new POI stuff (and not just because there's three settlements next to me that weren't there in the original beta)

Going to enjoy the competition over all the london train stations

[orchid plover]

Anyone from NYC who can take a print? 🙂

[sacred spade]

Am I doing it right?

[tepid zodiac]

Yes

[little sentinel]

So I am understanding this correct that the conquering guild is not fully working for iOS yet?

[magic lion]

Yeah public beta is android only because of some ios app store rules

[orchid horizon]

I didn't follow the pre-beta discussion much, but I thought it was said at one point that there would always be at least one settlement visible, and there would be on average 1 settlement for every three current/old "circles". I traveled about 300 miles today, and most of the time there were none visible, 3 at most. My hometown has none. Makes me sad.

[halcyon stag]

Dr. Cidolfus Demen Bunanza or Highwind...?

[acoustic steppe]

what about me? finally find good place for those sprites

[acoustic steppe]

You can't see item equiped on OS in smith/jeweller/titan shop ...anywhere. You have to unequip them to re-adorn, upgrade.... 😢

[acoustic steppe]

Does ward calculation follow different rules on OS?

Currently have 8442 HP and 1373 MP.

So base 4907.

My total ward mult is x5,93
(helm x1,38 - body x1,33 - shoes x1,4 - offhand x2,22 - weapon x1,04)

So my ward should be 29,1k ...but...

EDIT: Ok...it currently calculate the ward ONLY from base healt/mana, not taking in account equip stats. Putting it into bugs.

Base HP is 3240, MP is 550. So (3240+550)/2=1895 (=naked ward)
1895x5,93=11 242 (ward on screen)

[crisp condor]

If you own all of the spots from a settlement, do you get more rewards?

Or you just have to participate

[swift flame]

I understand the patch size and not wanting to push something unstable on the unsuspecting players on here. Then I'm gonna ask that the conqueror part be reset when it becomes available for Apple. The current beta players can conquer a LOT of territory and hold it. Especially when a chunk of the player base is not able to fight back. That's not to mention the new conqueror guild rewards. Maybe those should be reset as well? I mean, how long is this beta expected to last, especially when we still have the delay of when Apple finally gets the final patch? That's a LOT of gain in a new system compared to the Apple players.

[crisp condor]

If that's going to reset then I don't see a point of interacting with this guild

[pliant osprey]

Mate's forgetting that he can start upgrading gears for his to-be othersouls

[swift flame]

Gear has already been upgraded...

[swift flame]

Mate's forgetting what he's already said and been replied to. ;p

[pliant osprey]

Then there's no point you couldn't just take all the territories 😛

[acoustic steppe]

And what about ppl who are not even in live beta? 🙂 They will get it with days/weeks delay.

If player can conquer the settlement, he will do it no matter if you hold it or no. If NPC hold it or othersoul hold it.

IMO there should be reset when it comes to live version. Bot which one? Idk, probably resetting only guild experience and proofs to zero?

[pliant osprey]

Resetting it would discourage peeps form engaging in it tho - which is the reason why it came to live beta

[acoustic steppe]

That's why I wouldn't reset the settlement you are holding, so you will have big headstart when it comes to live. 😉

[swift flame]

But given more time in this headstart mode, it becomes a lot harder for others NOT in this head start mode to get territory. Part of the nice thing about this switch is the boost in resources. Then there is the simple fact that you can conquer and keep SO MUCH MORE territory if you don't have to fight off all those you normally have to fight off. Especially when it everyone else can join in and you already have the crowns for all the defenses/upgrades/skills/followers/whatnot. Those not in the beta have a harder fight to conquer your territories than NPCs. Then they take longer to get the resources to make it an easier fight.

[swift flame]

I would honestly have rather played with my live account and in live mode even knowing it was gonna be reset just to try it out and learn what works best with my current account/gear.

[pliant osprey]

I'd say just buy an android device then, but it really isn't the andorid players fault that IOS has bad beta version control, so NF can't really release it the same as on andorid -> but the blame on Apple honestlyy

[swift flame]

What would you do to make it fair to both sides?

[pliant osprey]

Nothing honestly, make apple change how they treat beta version

[acoustic steppe]

This was the reason X years ago "live beta" was canceled. And only "closed beta" worked. But in "closed beta" was only really only few ppl...and Odie had no real data.

And once he realeased it to live (without "live beta"), BIG MESS happened several times .... 🙂

So Live beta is needed. You need ppl to "pay" for their participation (aka have them the content and their results).

Difference between iOS and android "live beta" realease is neglible.

Difference between "live beta" a "live version" game can be big.

[pliant osprey]

But I don't think a live beta discussion should be about this tho

[jolly sable]

I understand the frustration of other people having a headstart, but:

1. Odie does need the data, since closed beta participation is.. tiny
2. Does it really matter? People that are going to hold the territory a few ~weeks in advance will either have their territory taken by you once you have access to it; or, they will be too strong for you to take it from them. But both of those options would've happened if both players got the patch at the same time. So I can't see the difference

The only difference is how early they get rewards

[acoustic steppe]

Yea, that's why "reset" of proofs/guild exp to zero is at least a little comforting imo...

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[jolly sable]

Even still I find that to be a tad unnecessary, as that brings nearly no advantage to those players. A few weeks headstart isn't going to keep them in the lead of the leaderboards for long

[crisp condor]

people might be taking it a bit to seriously

I doubt there was any ill intend in making this move

Make apple more dev friendly, don't attack the devs

[wary pulsar]

I think they're a bit delayed to spawn because they're being newly generated. When I was out exploring yesterday there would often be settlements behind me that werent there when I was coming up on where they were

[hidden siren]

Is it okay?

[crisp condor]

Um

Yes

(where?)

[acoustic steppe]

I like the "stroke" up there....

[crisp condor]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-have-to-live-here-we-can-live-anywhere-randy-marsh-south-park-we-can-move-gif-20753915

[wary pulsar]

Uh, well at least Settlements carry over the feel of the old stacked territory bug?

But there are apparently big problems with the POI spawning

[acoustic steppe]

I can't wait to visit Prague tomorrow. 😄

[crisp condor]

Feels like it

https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-conquer-the-world-michael-groth-mandjtv-mandjtv-plays-lets-take-over-the-world-gif-24365193

[hidden siren]

It is zoo in my city... It creates a settlement literally for each animal here 😅

[crisp condor]

Ok I will go to mine

[wary pulsar]

PSA: Do not move your origin town in the beta

(off topic, but important PSA)

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[orchid horizon]

Had to move mine to build guild. And yeah decorations are 3k miles away now. 😅Got my main buildings though.

[acoustic steppe]

This is getting expensive. 👀

[orchid horizon]

I went "there and back again" and only found settlements I had already conquered on the way back.

[orchid plover]

something similar happened in my area ( i have a museum and an acuarium nearby). But then i have people from my kingdom complaining that there is nothing for them nearby (in Latin America)

[nocturne fern]

This feels wrong on many levels but I ain't complaining

[serene dirge]

tourist-y area?

[nocturne fern]

Yep

[wary pulsar]

There seems to be an issue when there are many small landmarks/parks.

Someone posted a zoo earlier where each animal enclosure is it's own OSM "Park", and each had a settlement

[serene dirge]

right, so all that regions settlements would be in that area only

[wary pulsar]

In my experience so far this isn't harming rural play (as intended), but there have been reports from people that seem to be on the edge of one of these "regions" and have all their stuff pulled 1-2km away according to the scouthawk

Obviously, we as players don't know how big the regions are or how they're split

[acoustic steppe]

Well, it is ~7 km to my local zoo and I met 2 settlemets during that way. But the zoo ......

[wary pulsar]

It's interesting how different the reports from people are. There's a bit of a cluster of settlements in the center of my "city", but I do still see regular settlements along the road out of town, which has no parks or landmarks on it at all.

Maybe I'm in an ideal spot for it to work correctly, because I live in a city surrounded by desolate nothingness? 😅

[acoustic steppe]

I will be in train tomorrow for 120 km long way. Few little cities, but usally empty areas. Will see...

[nocturne fern]

For a fun fact, I have yet to encounter any settlements outside of that cluster

[wary pulsar]

In my case, the green areas do literally have no real roads.

[acoustic steppe]

Can we see our amount of settlements somewhere?

[magic lion]

Not a fan of everything being so heavily influenced by landmarks. If the landmark drags the entire settlement region to that landmark that's lame. And just asking for everyone to pile up in one area which can potentially cause real life conflict between players that have in game disputes

[acoustic steppe]

I think the idea wasn't it being that heavily populated and it will be resolved. 😅

this was something like 40 settlements.

Wanna see how big zoo will look like...or center of Prague. 😄

[magic lion]

Idk what was expected if they were meant to be tied to landmarks lol. Some places don't have many

[wary pulsar]

Hard to say. In my case specifically, landmarks don't seem to be dragging settlements/monuments from very far

I can see the cluster and I can still see spawns not linked to the cluster but not far from it either

And there are parks without settlements on them

[serene dirge]

it'll really be only an issue for overzealous areas. i'll make some adjustments to tone down megacluster potential

[acoustic steppe]

Can we wait 24h? 😄 😄

I wanna see this one

[nocturne fern]

Yeah I'm also out there trying to check out one of the bigger ones

[magic lion]

I'll have a better idea of what it looks like around town for me today, but the ones I saw yesterday along the freeway were indeed spawned on small parks. Just didn't see big clusters like that. However, there are tons of small parks around me

[west plinth]

Today I learned how to create a feature in OSM the park near my home is now labelled as such 🥹

[vital bolt]

I have yet to see more than two settlements close to one another😅

[wary pulsar]

Only another four years until it gets in the game 🙂

( , but also not )

[magic lion]

Curious, can all players see the landmark name when it's taken? Like the settlements I took near work literally have the actual name of the place under the generated name

[molten lodge]

Yeah. Some towers and monuments also have location names put onto them

[magic lion]

If so that's going to tip off players where other players live/work

When thats a place consistently taken

[wary pulsar]

This was already the case with old territory control

You could rename areas

[magic lion]

I never had a legitimately named territory.. it's was generated

I'm literally seeing (city name) museum, train station, etc

[wary pulsar]

I have a territory called "Concord NH Walmart"

Because it was renamed

[magic lion]

My neighborhood settlement has the name of my neighborhood on it

Yes you had the option to name it that. I'm not renaming these and they have the legitimate name of the place it's located. Not everyone wants that. I would change territory names not near my rl location so I'd have a general idea of where it was

[serene dirge]

no, the real world name is not added to the notification

[magic lion]

Now every settlement is pinpointing exact location

Ok thank you.

[acoustic steppe]

Meanwhile in cz: "They will finally know where I live so I don't have to write it everytime when they want to go to beer."

[magic lion]

I generally don't care, I live in TX so goodluck pulling some bs, but I know privacy is a big deal to a lot of players on here lol

So good to know the legitimate names don't show up for ppl

[wary pulsar]

And you can't rename settlements

Darn, it was funny seeing stuff like pizza places get taken around lunch time. Oh well 😆

[crisp condor]

I think I've seen you in top 100

[crisp condor]

I actually just visited my grandma and the distribution there looks healthy enough

[magic lion]

Trying to figure out these LBs they don't make sense lol. Seems like activity effects it. Was rank 17 when I went to sleep and now I'm in the 40s with ppl ahead of me with lower guild levels

[orchid plover]

i have many people in my guild complaining about that lol

i can already see for example, NYC having everything

feels like city vs rural situation

[acoustic steppe]

The position update farily quick, almost immidietly I would say? But the rank number take some time before it update. I went to #14 with guild lvl1 (but it was already lvl5).

[serene dirge]

rural and city will both have the same amount of content. this update only changes the locations of the content

[wary pulsar]

This is a smaller issue, but I'm not a big fan of the current visibility distance on settlements. That's probably leading to a lot of the perception that there are none nearby, when in reality they just aren't visible unless you're somewhat close to them.

With territories you could see where they were and not interact with them, but with settlements you don't know they're there

Now I'm not suggesting making them visible at all VDs but having "You need to be closer to enter this building", since that would probably be more annoying. But maybe some kind of more elegant solution.

[opaque glade]

Anyone else lost spots to the ai yet? 6 areas taken so far for me already, 3km being the furthest

[jolly sable]

AI will only attack settlements near the OT, but we don't know how often they will do that

[acoustic steppe]

6 is quite a lot tho.

[wary pulsar]

And in under 24 hours

That seems excessive

[opaque glade]

Ya, know it's near the ot but seemed to happen pretty quick

[acoustic steppe]

Tbh, how that will work? Will NPC take any tier? Or just your main char tier? I took one of my lower tier with alt...and I didn't get any notification at all.

[magic lion]

I noticed this as well. Suddenly a settlement will appear and then it's already fading out and unable to be fought

[wary pulsar]

We have returned to the days of the popping in issues

[opaque glade]

I've lost t3, t7 and t11 so far. Baron, Count and Emp

[wary pulsar]

Just to be safe: You're sure it's NPCs and not a player that sounds like an NPC?

[magic lion]

^

[crisp condor]

It's me

[opaque glade]

Theyre all the same npc names as what owned them before, the ones that happened nearby that I could check had the usual npc sprites

[crisp condor]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-weird-clapping-evil-laugh-gif-9962946

[wary pulsar]

Sorry, I figured but I had to ask to be safe

[opaque glade]

No worries 👍🏼

[nocturne fern]

Definitely not the global 100, maybe in the Conq guild

[crisp condor]

Yea in conq

Settlements don't spawn in your OT right? If I move mine will they spawn? Feels like that might be the reason why the 6 subways stations near me don't have POIs

[magic lion]

I have 3 at my OT

[crisp condor]

Oh

Bad luck then or they are just clutter'ed in the historical area

[magic lion]

Probably the latter. I guess they aren't right in my OT circle, but they are all right on the edge so yeah if the stations were POI's I don't see why they wouldn't spawn

[crisp condor]

The historical zone of the city has 15 of them

In one long ass street

I have parks and other "real life important place" nearby but they didn't spawn shit
Yet at least

But I did manage to spawn more dungeons so I will take it as a win
Maybe they will fix the clutter problem

[nocturne fern]

One of the biggest parks in town has only one

[wary pulsar]

You need many small parks, not one big park

[nocturne fern]

I guess so

[crisp condor]

Ok so it is time to reshape the town

[crisp condor]

Our biggest one has more "mini attractions"

And It has a good amount of settlements

Rank 30 just by visiting those areas
I know it is early but it doesn't feel balanced at all

[primal oar]

So far I think there could be more settlements, it feels weird compared to having territories out in the middle of nowhere as opposed to 3 settlements in a small town

[serene dirge]

there are currently about ~150 settlements per small town

[primal oar]

Is that counting each node or the 5 slots per node?
I mean i could travel FARTHER but it feels sparce(where I am).
I'll give it a chance.

[crisp condor]

I like how the settlements are placed in rural areas more

Feels more natural

I will have to teach my grandma how to play orna now

[primal oar]

I've noticed them in town but around I suppose notable locations. Not always consistent with landmarks

[serene dirge]

settlements, not crownships

[primal oar]

What i DO like is that I don't have to be ridiculously close to a settlement to interact when I have my sight gear on.

[orchid horizon]

I'm in a pretty dense suburban area, 24 dungeons visible from home. Not a single settlement.

[magic lion]

So uh.. can t9 othersouls use celestials? I never saw a final verdict on that discussion and don't have any made atm to test

[serene dirge]

likely the convo above - are there POI clusters nearby?

[primal oar]

24 good lord most I see within my outpost is 5 lol

[serene dirge]

yes

[magic lion]

Sweet, thanks

[orchid horizon]

How far is "nearby" for this purpose?

[primal oar]

I see two on the map, a town museum and a park.

[orchid horizon]

There's two about a mile east, and three about the about a mile west. South is barren, not developed. Haven't checked north yet, but just neighborhoods, no parks

[opaque glade]

Make it 9 now

[wary pulsar]

My guess for "nearby" is 700m, but I'm pulling that number out of pure speculation

[red obsidian]

Woah.. yeah the NPCs are on a rampage... Crownguard time

[wary pulsar]

It could be lower

[primal oar]

The AI can steal from you? Good thing I stacked gear on the AIs. Though the adornments like mana regen don't seem to work on the gear you put on them.

[red obsidian]

Idk I had an NPC hit me 6km from Origin town

[nocturne fern]

Do y'all receive any notifs when this happens?

[orchid horizon]

I have 220 settlements from yesterday, and nothing taken yet, but they are mostly a hundred miles away.

[red obsidian]

Yep lots of them

[primal oar]

I have stuff like this on my othersouls, the effects seem to work like ward start but adornments like mountain acorns are turned off

[sacred spade]

Can we some details on the geographic area of this? Like how big is a small town?

[opaque glade]

Immunities from gear also don't seem to work atm, I guess the two are somewhat related

[red obsidian]

I know Odie was making sure you couldn't use high end adornments on low end gear, but not sure how it was implementated

[primal oar]

I was wondering, cuz it asks you to have level appropriate adornments on, but turns them off anyway.

[opaque glade]

You can't equip a piece of gear if it has adorns of a higher tier

[nocturne fern]

When trying to equip an item like this, it simply won't let you

[karmic nymph]

It won't let you equip the thing

Do c.augs work?

[red obsidian]

Ahh alright I haven't adorned any of the Othersouls gear yet, still cooking some of it

[primal oar]

It wants you to take off adornments out of the level range, that's the only warning message. Adorns within range are allowed but they seem to get negated on menu/in battle

[red obsidian]

Maybe for the special stats like Mana Regen, but has anybody tested to see if HP augments work?

[primal oar]

Above gear should be regenning mana from the nuts but there is no regen, but gear effects built in like taming/ward start seem to work

[acoustic steppe]

yes

at least i assume so, you can equip them

[nocturne fern]

You can use them but Idk if their effects function correctly

[karmic nymph]

Well it seems like the functionality of some adorns is in the air rn

[umbral mango]

Now that I'm over the "waaaagh why didn't I click legacy", I do kinda like the system so far. Rock paper scissors is silly but I guess I'm just bad at guessing xD

Othersouls is a decent way to make lower gear remain relevant and feel good if you get an ornate that's too low for you to use on main. I do think swapping specs to load them up on random skills feels weird but not a big deal.

(Rep should eventually only count the new system otherwise new players have no shot getting up to some of those numbers)

I wouldn't mind a way to reverse my decision on legacy vs not otherwise xD

My only real complaint so far:

The one with a billion settlements is a small town in the middle of nowhere

[acoustic steppe]

Yes, we know.

Odie know too.

[umbral mango]

Cool

[serene dirge]

definitely working on the density thing 🙂

[umbral mango]

Sweet!

Thanks Odie!

[acoustic steppe]

Zoo are most fun, every animal has their own settlement. 😄

[wary pulsar]

I'm working on trying to guess how large a "Region" is

[serene dirge]

it is more than 4, if you need a clue

[acoustic steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/and-youve-always-been-a-wonderful-pillar-of-support-thanks-for-your-help-friendship-helpful-supportive-gif-16177749

[wary pulsar]

My initial guess was going to start at 0.1 degree graticules, given Orna "Regions" are 10 degree graticules

[primal oar]

See, starts with nuts, equipped it gets neutered lol

[red obsidian]

I just tested with 3 health adornments on my 3* OS, it took the HP from 840 to 894 so stat based adornments do function

[primal oar]

Might be a bug or might be the intention

[red obsidian]

Special effect type adornments though may not because of the hollowed out functions of OS

[wary pulsar]

Pretty sure they just don't display

[red obsidian]

Or that

[wary pulsar]

But I wouldn't be surprised if 'special' effects don't happen

[primal oar]

Well I guess I'll just throw a bunch of jewel of the deep on for some mana

[red obsidian]

I mean someone could test with a bunch of acorns then go into battle and see if it does Regen despite not being displayed anywhere

[nocturne fern]

One more to the collection

[opaque glade]

The increase doesn't seem correct from hp adorns. Before and after equipping a piece with 94 hp. And they don't match the hp value of the stat screen, which is 3222 and 3316 respectively

[primal oar]

They don't regen the mana, I'm running the nuts on the chest

[red obsidian]

Ahh alright

[acoustic steppe]

PvP HP doubled

[red obsidian]

We just posting photos of POI clusters?

[acoustic steppe]

Otherwise rounding error, as HP effect have some decimals you can't see 😄

Or ward effects.

Or just basically anything? 😄

[opaque glade]

Knew I was missing something 😂

[red obsidian]

Cause I got one of those

[nocturne fern]

We'll be looking back on those and be like aaaah those were the times

[serene dirge]

new "oh god" moment?

[red obsidian]

Uh oh, DalCais is local to me... Now I'll need to deal with those being under attack lol

[primal oar]

You must be in one of the bigger cities north or south to me

[opaque glade]

Since othersouls are only for pvp, should stats page not display the doubled hp values?

[red obsidian]

It's not even the largest city in the area, I'm kinda curious about downtown Madison/Milwaukee

[primal oar]

If I could stand Milwaukee I'd go there more often

[serene dirge]

yes, great point

[primal oar]

Oh so I re-equipped the nut top with mana regen and now it seems to work when it didn't before

[red obsidian]

Alright... Good to know

[primal oar]

It's not a lot but I don't have any better use for those adorns lol

[fair stump]

Hi, Odie, i know you said this update wouldn't cause any issue with battery usage but can u check again? Some other people also say their battery drain faster too

[magic lion]

Do any armor effects work for othersouls? Loaded one up on HP regen and hp isn't regenerating

[serene dirge]

We'd definitely want to see some charts/data to demonstrate increased battery usage, otherwise we're just dealing with confirmation bias

[acoustic steppe]

I will tell for sure later. I play 1,5h in train regulary and my battery always end in pretty much same state... will see tomorrow.

[serene dirge]

google will be able to tell us once we've all played enough

[primal oar]

Zaltys staff seemed to be regenning hp for me, ward start from havel sword worked for me

[wise turret]

About the lost equips, will they come back, or they are lost forever?

[sterile narwhal]

Good question

[crisp condor]

Lost equips?

[wise turret]

See #1275477292725960735 message , for example

And there are many victims in my other group

[crisp condor]

Ouch

[rough fox]

so far loving this expansion. Make my hoarding habits relevant ✅ , make it so regional PVP is not just screwy character toons ✅ , Notifications to inbox, clarity on map placement(now on points of interest), Further explanation of active effects ✅ ✅ and ✅.

[sterile narwhal]

Yes

[wet sedge]

I am a bit sad that the exploration mode from the now called legacy system discontinued without replacement. Imo it would have been a perfect addition to the travelers guild and a content where people regardless of competition could participate. For me it was also a reminder system - "hey, I was already visited this place". This is gone now and I see it as missed opportunity. RIP all those hundreds of areas I created "where no Orna player has gone before".

Btw, the intention of Othersouls was that other players could also participate and have a chance to succeed against, or next, to very high AL players?
Well, now the race for the perfect othersouls equip started, and I guess the casuals/new players will not stand a chance

[crisp condor]

It has a replacement

A better one in my opinion

[serene dirge]

Be sure to check out the patch notes at #game-announcements message

Exploration was replaced and does live within the Traveler's Guild. i am not sure where you heard it was discontinued

[sacred spade]

Exploration still around, progress was retained as well.

Only negative to it is the new UI which is a definitive step backwards

[wet sedge]

oh. i must have missed it then. sorry. I need to check. Wonderful news then 🙂

[rough fox]

why do you consider it a step backwards? I have not gotten to use the new system much yet but I remember the old system had issues IMO. Switching back and forth was not smooth and frequently monsters would not spawn for a bit after switching. I like that the map is not crowded with all the rings as well.

[crisp condor]

A step backwards when it comes to immersion maybe

[sacred spade]

The menu still requires constant flipping either between the travel side or out of the UI altogether as it doesn't update in real time.

There's also no way to know now if there is an unexplored area around just by having the game open, I'll have to constantly go to the new UI and check.

The menu is also just markedly worse for navigating to unexplored areas. Orienting myself to 493 meters Southeast is a lot worse than just seeing the circle on the map.

[crisp condor]

Time to buy a real life compass

https://tenor.com/view/joel-haver-marshall-has-no-moral-compass-he-is-a-rat-gif-25857031

I like it tho, feels like a mini quest

[serene dirge]

the bug for #1 should be resolved in the current beta update.

for #2, the monsters only show below the traveler's guild icon when there is an unexplored area. where there are no monsters, there is nothing unexplored

[crisp condor]

Oh that is a helpful tip

[sacred spade]

Does the unexplored area check include the full 500m (400m?) interaction range?

[serene dirge]

it'll reflect whatever is ultimately going to be in the menu itself

[crisp condor]

Talking about bugs, is it just me or the music suddenly stops from time to time? And to reactivate it I have to change it from the music menu

[red obsidian]

TIL, Crownguards MAY prevent NPCs from the conquerors guild from attacking you... But even with them on you will lose a lot of crowns to NPCs

[serene dirge]

For me, see an icon below traveler's guild -> tap the button. Exploration tab is remembered from my last session

i'm now in an exploration battle in less time than the hold-to-enter-explore/control animation took from before

[magic lion]

I know this is likely because once othersouls have armor on you can't use it elsewhere, but is it possible to have othersouls gear appear in jeweller's and titan guild to be adorned while equipped by othersouls? Currently it acts like the gear doesn't exist

[red obsidian]

Also, fun note that they seem to all attack you every hour at the 30 minute 7 second mark, for me at least

[rough fox]

Thats how I figured it would be.

the compas part of it... cant say i understand. I always know which way north is to within 30degrees or so. but I know people who cant do that so I can understand how that could be frustrating.

[sacred spade]

It's not an inability to do it, just an inconvenience compared to before

I'd much rather have a visual indicator than a set of vague(ish) directions

[wet sedge]

The game integration was present when you looked at the screen. Now I have a list to choose from.
It is better then removing it, so I am happy that it is still here. Hopefully it gets more integrated in the TG.

[sacred spade]

Visual also help in determining how many unexplored areas exist between directions. I'd rather go to where there are 4 or 5 rather than 1, which also lends itself to visual indicators rather than having to count how many areas have the same general direction

Fwiw, the very first iteration of exploration was a menu.

It was replaced by the previous UI and was universally praised as a good decision and an improvement.

Now we've gone back to a menu =/

[wary pulsar]

There is definitely a difference in the effort required between looking at a circle on a map and mathematically figuring out how far you need to walk and in what compass direction 😅

Yes, you can pretty easily figure out where "300m NE" is, but that's not the same as seeing the map and knowing what street you need to get to

[rough fox]

No real "walking" in my area... lots of farms and a couple small towns. roads are basically a 1Mile grid pattern. sounds like you guys have more options when it comes to "exploration" in your area. I do do that when im on vacation but :).

[opaque glade]

Found another to confirm. The spot taken is also empty, not filled by another player

So ai takeover happens at least 3km away from ot, if I lost that one to it

[wary pulsar]

Definitely seems like it's happening to some people way more rapidly than it should(?)

I thought it was only supposed to happen on decayed territories

[serene dirge]

Yes, I’ll get that fixed up. It’s happening way to much, even with ramparts

[glossy surge]

Is it to late to create new parks on google map? I want to create a park for each tree on the mountainclif behind my house

[crisp condor]

It has to get confirmation

And orna uses osm

[wary pulsar]

I would guess a reason Odie doesn't publish map update timelines is to prevent vandalism on OSM 😅

Just a guess though

[serene dirge]

we, as gps game developers, must learn from the collective mistake of frequent map updates

[balmy ridge]

and the OSM data the game uses needs to be updated after that.

[wary pulsar]

Flashbacks to the many articles about vandalism due to Pokemon Go

If you do good updates to OSM though, they'll stay on the map and get implemented in Orna's next map update (which may not be for a while).

I added forest mapping to several entire towns where there was almost none across the past couple years, and that finally got into the game over the summer server updates.

[rough fox]

😄 If there was an increase in the amount of arisen lord of wolves near you consider helping out in misc_sharing 😄 hes a hard to find bugger. 😄

[wary pulsar]

I actually moved immediately after the server update happened 🙃

[rough fox]

LOL.

[wary pulsar]

I moved somewhere that someone else had added forest mapping though so it's all good. I'm just toward the middle of the city so I'm not directly in the forest.

[wary pulsar]

As is shown in this image... there is no shortage of forest here

The green is all properly mapped and tagged forest in OSM

[rough fox]

lol. I was just looking in my area. not alot going on... nice checker pattern farmland. LOL.

scale in the bottom for reference.

Going to drive to the city this weekend see if i cant get one of those images where the trick or treat rings are on top of each other with 5 monuments and a couple towers. 😄 LOL.

[wary pulsar]

I understand why the old exploration circles didn't matter to you, lmao

[rough fox]

😄 yeah....

[wary pulsar]

A bit different when the grid is ~100m squares

[rough fox]

thats why i didnt understand how my zones were all taken in the old pvp system as well. like... WHY would someone be out here... and what are the odds they are higher level than me. (242 AL5) Regional rank 156. Not sure how big a "region" is but it seems highly unlikely.

[wary pulsar]

Well, given you live in a grid it's really easy to just drive up and down the grid taking all the territory

[rough fox]

5 years of play on thanksgiving so some of my reference is pretty old because I gave up on PVP along time ago.

[crisp condor]

The clusters of old areas ended up spawning settlements?

Wait

[wary pulsar]

No

Settlement clusters are caused by parks/landmarks

[rough fox]

True but each row/column is about 5 miles. at 60mph (not the smartest on gravel) that still like an hour and a half to cover my "local grid"

[wary pulsar]

I can name at least 3 people in this Discord that I know would do something like that 😅

[crisp condor]

Thank god

[wary pulsar]

Some people will spend a ton of time on taking territory for no reason other than competitive ranks

[crisp condor]

When I retire, it's going to be ranking time

Get ready kids

[rough fox]

also sounds like a lot of gas expense... Im sure... but i also suspect they would instead go to a more concentrated area and do it.

[crisp condor]

In like... 40+ years

[rough fox]

cruises used to be the way I hear.... 😄

no idea now though.

[wary pulsar]

From a Reputation perspective rural areas are way better than urban areas, because of low turnover

[crisp condor]

Use a helicopter

[rough fox]

My brother just finished the blackhawk course... wonder if he could borrow one for a bit..

[wary pulsar]

Get a nice headstart on claiming a bunch of Settlements (to get us back on the Conq guild)

[rough fox]

I plan to drive alot this weekend. im hoping that if I can capture a few hundred points in the middle of no where before anyone has time to try then MAYBE I can get enough coins for BOF 😄

[wary pulsar]

I do a lot of hiking, and if I have cell service I always used to claim the summit of whatever mountain I hiked up. Now I get to do that all over again with settlements

[rough fox]

that being said... if the settlements are congested near "points of interest" I suspect that the only one in my general area will be the one on top of my base.

[rough fox]

that is a cool idea. i think i might yoink that.

[wary pulsar]

No, if there are no points of interest in a fairly limited radius, they spawn spread out randomly

[rough fox]

thats good to know.

I have been stuck working all day yesterday and today. so i have not been about (WFH)

I wonder how crazy it would be to have a global map of orna availible? Kind of like how Ingress did it? you couldnt interact with it in game but you could pull it up and plan a trip somewhere (or work together to capture massive sections of the northern atlantic ocean) 😄

[naive bone]

So far no issues with the function of guild but very far and few between with opportunity in my area living in north dakota could very well be the problem 😂 but it looks like this has already been addressed yet so far ❤️

Googled places of interest near me and got 0 results 💃 lol

Corn 🌽

[rough fox]

Iowa, Same LOL.

If anyone works up a "othersouls by tier "BEst options list" please let me know. 😄 very interested

[naive bone]

Like gear sets for optimum protection?

[rough fox]

By tier evaluation of gear, Skills, followers, all of the above.

I have already made some observations about summons but i dont know if my experience is valid since I only have one settlement to interact with right now.

[clever scroll]

Honestly, NF would have made the areas become hexagonal and all stuck together, put settlements leaving some hexes, and in other hexes put the exploration enemies , but it's too late for that

[serene dirge]

i have aichmophobia

[glossy surge]

I recommand sous-vide so you can enjoy steaks without needing to go past your fear of knives.

[rough fox]

BTW if it does turn out to be true about the Battery usage once there is more data, it could be my phone but, does anyone else think the saturation on area rings is higher or maybe they are brighter?

[wet sedge]

Remove Fey Cactus now!1!! 🙂

[rough fox]

LOL. please no... Beo horde mode mandatory pet?

[red obsidian]

So, It's anicdotal but in the last 6.5 hours I have lost almost 40 crowns to the NPCs, they seem to have 4-6 crowns taken each hour around the 30 minute 7 second mark past the hour it'll all get taken at once several different locations all in the same second. This is the same whether I had a crownguard on or not.

[opaque glade]

Will be looked at, confirmed happening too often

[red obsidian]

Ahh yeah, just found that message from him before you posted... Figure more data points is better than too few though

[primal oar]

I haven't lost a single spot to an npc yet 👀

My equips might just be good tho

Even if i lose em, that'd be fine tho. I'm always lacking on stuff like pvp drop mats

My lv 100 and lv 50 oversouls might be the most iffy with gear but I've not gotten a single message saying the npc beat them.

[opaque glade]

Don't think gear has anything to do with it, think it's just a random chance to lose areas within a certain range of your ot

[primal oar]

Oh, I thought it held a theoretical battle or something between the two AI.

Maybe I didn't go far enough from my origin town, just about 5 miles or so.

[opaque glade]

I dont know for sure, but don't think many of the npc's could beat my othersouls if it was that

[primal oar]

Does the hp stay reduced after each fight like with old system?

[red obsidian]

The range on the NPC lost crowns is less than a KM to 6KM for me

Also, I believe it was mentioned that certain people were running into this issue and others weren't so idk

[opaque glade]

I'd guess so, since we have great fortification that says it refills health bars

[wary pulsar]

Yeah, I still haven't had something taken from me yet

But Odie is aware and looking into it

[tepid zodiac]

I did 5km hike to work today; probably had a dozen settlements along the way.

[red obsidian]

Well, I may be bleeding areas... But at least it means I can get more guild exp from reclaiming

[tepid zodiac]

Three clusters, but we have lots of green space and Poi

[primal oar]

I'll have to see once I start getting messages that I got beat up

Right now I'm just raising a count hood and cloak for the t3 soul

[umbral mango]

Hey- is the Amarok missing Jinn's Talent? Checking the codex in the guild shop, the Amarak has one less ability than the Oslo for the same cost - I can see instances where one less might be better but just curious

[naive bone]

@umbral mango i would prefer it not be there it leaves opportunity for a pet that won't give def and res down

[wary pulsar]

The one without a forced Def/Res is probably better 😆

[umbral mango]

Ah true enough

But then the question becomes why have it on either? 😱

[naive bone]

It's just a skill incorporated to the pet there are many that can force negative status effects would like to see blood lust instead but ehh

[acoustic steppe]

Ok, about this. Seems that Prague has so many POI points...it is evenly disturbed everywhere. And I met some small cities during way with 10+ settlements grouped....but nothing crazy like that here. Huh...

[pliant osprey]

What raises the price so much?
I've just got enough for the hp refill price it showed last time, and now it's more expensive

[nocturne fern]

Iirc it depends on the number of crownships you currently own

[wary pulsar]

It basically becomes impossible to buy things very quickly

[acoustic steppe]

Did someone tried stat increase per Crowinguard already? At least the first one...

(ward amount is same in stat screen and in battle with activated crownguard)

[little hound]

There is a possibility to change later from legacy to new mode after chosing a previous one?

[wary pulsar]

No

[clear olive]

Just gonna leave this here and walk away slowly (not my screenshot, from a kingdom member)

[pliant osprey]

But then engaging and holding onto the crownships is counterproductive if I want to buy these, right?

[little hound]

but like, never? Cause if a player don't see fit to still in this area mode even after changing he might be able to do it 😦

[wary pulsar]

There's no method in-game, but you might be able to reach out to support

[wary pulsar]

Unfortunately yes. But also the reason they exist is to hold onto crownships 🙃

Hopefully some economy balancing goes on, because the massively inflating costs were brought up in private beta too

[jolly sable]

The only reason to buy those is to help you hold your settlements.
Their cost increases with the number of settlements you hold.
If the price is unpurchaseable, it's because you own a lot of them and don't need help holding them, no?

[little hound]

a problem was created for the solution!

[jolly sable]

Obviously some adjusting will be needed over time

But that's why it's an open beta

Because these numbers can't easily be figured out in closed beta

[pliant osprey]

I mean, about 1 person could join the open beta in our city who is T11, so so far it's kinda exclusive to me here, but when everyone gets it, I'll get some tough competition, that's partly why I was interested

Hoping numbers will be fiddled so I can actually buy them haha

[jolly sable]

Yeah, when holding them becomes much harder, and you actually lose some settlements, the prices ought to go down, making the easier to purchase

[nocturne fern]

Not only that, you get opportunities to retake, and if you do, that's one more proof for you

[pliant needle]

Never ever? Ever ever never?

[wary pulsar]

Never ever unless the game gets updated or you contact support I guess

[zenith scarab]

I like the prices right where they are. Otherwise defending becomes too easy. Active turnover is more fun in the long run I think.

[acoustic steppe]

Well, I was in place with 40+ settlemenets, but again, seems Prague is so filled that it is not its case...

[pliant needle]

Ahhh yes. Support was the option I was considering. Thanks.

It seems there was a reference to maybe players changing their minds. I don't think NF would mind helping players pull the plug if they wanted to.

[magic lion]

I believe it was stated that legacy achievements would be remaining. Conquerors guild achievement replaced the 250k territory control achievement

Should have both if legacy quests are to remain

[rough fox]

Finally got out and about on the new "POI" spawning last night. Rural area settlements are few and far. Rest stops and car pool parking lots seem to be where they went. But in town they get clumped quite a bit. 3 basically on top of each other like some of the crazy images above. but it was in the city center/park/statue/kids playground so it makes sense that there are a few POI there. I wonder if some of the walking gardens with fancy statues in it in europe are what we are seeing images of that have tons. while that is as expected. the Towers/monuments/etc being grouped around these was kind of nice. on one hand there is nothing out on the gravel roads anymore (random spawns and driving could have missed a few) but it means that if I drive into town the walking trail has a decent number of them in one place.

shift of play style from walking the dog and grabbing a couple to making a dedicated trip to town to a walking trail. Suppose its kind of a wash. grocery stores/gas stations seem to be similar pre and post in my area.

[orchid meadow]

Thanks for the tests in a rural area, and all the feedback from everyone so far!

[zenith scarab]

I have very little personal experience with POI spawns as the only place I've seen any so far is the little city park in town. I do wish the settlements were a bit more evenly distributed though. Seems like the pattern is I'll travel about a mile, then see 2 or 3, then another mile and 2 or three. Personally be nice if they were spaced out a bit more evenly. I brought this up in earlier beta versions too but was told not to make any judgements on density till live.

[jolly sable]

While I was on the bus, riding the highway near nowhere in specific, they popped up somewhat frequently. At least one or two in view at all times, for the most part.

When I approached Lisbon(capital), they all vanished. I expect it's because they left to go to some PoIs whose locations I know not. Felt a little odd to have less stuff on a capital than in the middle of nowhere

[red obsidian]

POI could be fun because it creates locations to go that allow for heavy participation and gives it a GPS/Real world pairing that is nice... However considering some of the clusters we are seeing, I think that they may have to be limited a bit, while the "empty space" settlements may need to increase in density a bit. It feels weird that if I travel downtown then to the airport I can get so many settlements compared to how the rest of the city feels.

[acoustic steppe]

Well, since it is known issue...

I think Odie work hard to break those clusters

Ok, I finished my today trip (110km there and back). First picture. I was able to take around 1000 crowns...and imo it was like 60% of possible during the way. Transportation too fast. So density is quite nice. I didn't met any big clusters. Biggest is still zoo in my city (and thats even not whole picture). Prague (even tho I went pretty much thought center) didn't have any big clusters, biggest was 7. Otherwise 2-3. Pilsen as starting and much smaller city has way worse cluster in the center. And last screen are rewards from ~1300 crowns.

If anyone want to know, I fought with other ppl OS. Tedious battles. He has worse gear, I pretty much zero every his attack, but my attacks was super weak too...long and tedious battles.

[umbral mango]

So setting a specific reward for a settlement doesn't guarantee that reward, is this correct?

Have set all of mine to crowns and get mostly orns, gold and mats with just a few crowns

[zenith scarab]

I am not sure about the details too but you are sabotaging yourself at a certain point as I do believe there are caps. So if you are setting everything to crown proofs and you are past the cap you are just taking away from somethign else

[rough fox]

how large was your view distance for "1-2 in view at all times" ?

[jolly sable]

VD is irrelevant for settlements

[rough fox]

didnt know.

[crisp condor]

You just have to see them

[wary pulsar]

Is it entirely irrelevant, or does it just stop working after a certain amount?

[rough fox]

your experience is much different from mine. I was trying to figure out how that is possible. VD was the one that made the most sense to me.

[jolly sable]

I suppose it might be the latter

But I don't usually walk around with min VD

[vital bolt]

yesterday i went out with 180m vd and saw the same amount when going back with full vd

[jolly sable]

Well there you go I suppose

[rough fox]

not scientific but multiple support i suppose.

[crisp condor]

I can test it later

[orchid plover]

I have a question, it seems like there was a refresh. Did we lose the settlements that we grabbed yesterday OR were things moved around to be more balanced?

[vital bolt]

i certainly didn't lose any settlements, but i also have yet to find a park or zoo with dozens of poi like others

[orchid plover]

or maybe i lost everything to NPCs 🥲

[vital bolt]

the inbox should tell you

[orchid plover]

but i also see new towers nearby, that is why i think there was some sort of refresh

Those towers and monuments were not there

[vital bolt]

there was a reset/reshuffle two days ago when the server patch happened

[severe valve]

I can confirm on my side too. No tower (and IIRC monuments) around me after the update. I was thinking it may be an issue like we had until early 2024 (the tower/monuments location issue fix). Just saw monuments and tower appearing a few minutes ago #👋│general

[swift flame]

What if there was a minimum distance between settlements? Mostly just so that these dense clusters find themselves spread out over a slightly more broad area, but still centered on what put them there?

[severe valve]

Some players on the french discord just answered they also saw some changes about monuments and tower around them, and settlements

Some get removed, some spawned

[crisp condor]

I can certainly see more monuments

I will have to get home and see the situation there

[swift flame]

Monuments moved in main game too.

[wary pulsar]

Odie is probably trying to fix the clustering issue

[severe valve]

That's my guess too. Not only for settlements but also for towers if I m correct

[crisp condor]

But my 8 towers spot 😦

[swift flame]

Yeah, the tower near my place has moved also

[crisp condor]

I can certainly say that there are more monuments all around my route so far

Thet took away my only nearby tower and settlement

I need a hug

[frozen wasp]

Walking along a short 2 mile stretch of DPR Trail, and encountered two settlements, neither were POI/landmark spots. Granted, that part of the trail does a fair bit of winding, due to following the river

[swift flame]

Don't trails count as POIs?

[wary pulsar]

No

A park that a trail is in might, but a trail has different tagging

[rough fox]

a scenic overlook or pavilion on the trail might as well?

[ebon tusk]

I did enjoy the evenly-spaced and consistently-spaced territory before. Everyone was the same distance away from every other territory, whether they were urban or rural. It was a pure “how much of the map have I traveled and controlled,” rather than just “what convenient clumps do I live or work near, or not.”

[ebon tusk]

Really not a fan of this aspect, yeah. Dwindle the settlement holder’s power down to near zero so that the first fresh player who happens by can push them over with a stiff breeze, sure. But “RNG says you lose this settlement now” doesn’t feel good.

[ornate matrix]

How are you finding the rewards from conquering so much so far? I took 450 crownships so far and was a bit underwhelmed with the rewards but I did only collect them when I had less

[remote onyx]

I agree, I was more of a fan of having them evenly distributed

[umbral mango]

I only have around 200 settlements so far so hopefully not the crown cap!

I was mildly concerned and overall there are some kinks to iron out for sure but I am enjoying the system so far.

For new players they have a chance to take settlements

For veteran players they have a reason to level the stockpiled lower tier gears for settlements

And otherwise it feels pretty similar to before with some added tricks and shenanigans.

I am regretting not clicking Legacy a little bit less on day 2 of trying out the conquerors guild.

[pliant needle]

I am regretting clicking Legacy. 🤷

I am very much enjoying the content. I look forward to watching the balancing of it all and look forward to it going fully live.

So far it's been a really excellent roll out.

Very minimal hiccups.

[opaque glade]

Just had a chance to have a short trip as a passenger, I like that you can't really take everything just by driving through an area once

[zenith scarab]

Yeah I clicked new world conqueror myself, went all in

[umbral mango]

Too much info/divided focus?

[umbral mango]

That was my thought as well. I regretted it at first as only one settlement is nearby but after hunting down 200 crests of conquering to get a low tier pet yesterday, I was having a lot of fun with it.

[magic lion]

When the final product is released and you already have all followers/sprite packs will you still be having fun or is it going to go the way of bof? Lol

[jolly sable]

I do solemnly believe that the main appeal of the konq guild is actually not related to the proofs in the slightest

The daily rewards from each settlement are the main reward imho

[dawn veldt]

Yeah, the mats are really appealing

[jolly sable]

The materials are surprisingly impactful, yeah

[rough fox]

and you gotta love the rock paper scissors right? 😄 but I agree. I think alot of the guilds are less about the single time items and mroe about the Mats.

[magic lion]

Yes, maybe for most. I'm not sure the old territory players really care all that much about the material gain though (added bonus) so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the areas where old territory players are active vs ppl just getting into it or taking a shot at it if they didn't have a chance at it before

Unfortunately for t10s they may still be feeling the same as they were before lol. Time will tell

[eager schooner]

same

[pliant needle]

I have realized... I will never open it again. I am a world farmer. I love the world map. Now there is so much to do in exploring the world I will never go out of my way to go hunt colorful circles.

I couldn't see it until I was in. I also was afraid of the hit I would take. If they have open enrollment once a year or something I'll most likely hop in.

[little sentinel]

First, I received a. Conquering boost, but I didn’t think that was active on iOS
Second, if the boosts are active, the iOS app is not updated because the icon was missing, a box was shown instead

[cursive solar]

You can if the driver goes slow enough

My husband drives too fast though. I need to hitch a ride on a tractor.

[magic lion]

Your othersouls on roids? I'm lucky to get 3 at relatively low speeds I feel lol

The settlements appear and fade really fast for me it seems like. Sometimes already out of range when they appear

[latent wave]

I'll ask this here. What is the point of selecting crownguard? Do I get the better one at level 10? If I don't then why wouldn't I just choose crownship every time and just buy the better one?

[magic lion]

Nah, you get the t2 crownguard. Version at t10/11. At least that's all I've gotten. Maybe the emperor version is just extremely rare

IMO I don't think the emperor version is worth the crownships when you can get the crownguards for free even if it is just the t2 version. 6 hours is a nice amount

[latent wave]

Idk. If there isn't a cap on crownship it might be more beneficial to switch everything over to crownship and buy them. You might even still come out ahead. And having a permanent buff "24" hours is definitely better than 6

Oh, the final version is for sure too expensive. But the one for 25.... that might actually be reasonable

[umbral mango]

Solid take! Glad to see more of us enjoying it! 😁

[magic lion]

I was thinking the price adjusted like the ramparts. If that price is set (appears to be because mine are the same prices you shot off) that's not terrible. Especially once you get the pets or whatever you want with the crownships and have nothing else to blow them on

[rough fox]

day 1 and 2 felt i had a chance. someone came out of hiding and took most of my territory today. 😄 getting it back wont be happening. lol.

maybe they leave my othersouls on there for some rewards atleast. 😄

I wonder if anyone has considered a T11 addition to the system. pull the 250s into their own area 😄

[cursive solar]

Some house rules and no ALs would be nice for that.

[wary pulsar]

There's a purchase you can make in the guild to disable ALs for you and your opponent for 30 minutes

[pliant needle]

We already have a safe space with house rules and 4 other souls that can't be ascended. Yet.

[wary pulsar]

Yeah, territory is the PvP place where you can utilize the full strength of your character

I think the purchase is fair enough. It's limited time, so someone can maybe take back the territory near their house or in a small area

[rough fox]

agree. I don't want to limit T11 or ascension(beyond the purchase). Just not have to fight them until I'm the same level LOL. it feels like the OLD days(4 years ago) when you would tier up and all the sudden all the mobs murdered you.

[opaque glade]

Iirc, there wasn't enough of a player base at that level to warrent an even higher bracket

[rough fox]

makes sense. its quite a commitment considering that 240 is halfway.

[cursive solar]

After doing a bunch of BoF & Coliseum lately and seeing how it affects kingdom wars, I'm starting to agree with players who say ALs don't belong in any form of PVP.

[rough fox]

your AL?

[magic lion]

Eh I still see barely ascended beos/summoners take from me and I'm 136 AL. A lot of them fresh t10s even. I think AL in territory/settlements is fine.

And pure they already answered but I was gonna say t11 should be it's own bracket but there isn't enough players in the tier unfortunately. Would be a big advantage material wise for us I guess. At least that was an argument for not transferring existing territories to settlements even at 1/3 the rate

But... here we are giving an unfair advantage to all android users 😆

[rough fox]

forgot about the material advantage for the whole player base. though considering refinery still exists I dont see materials being too heavily weighted in that decision.

[jolly sable]

Fwiw, they stack.

You can have all crownguards running at the same time

And they all boost your power

[pliant needle]

I have a low leveldude take my territories and I mean TAKE them that isn't even on the regional leaderboard. You can't just use one class and one skill to fight everyone. This is a strategy game. Not just throwing balls at monsters here.

[rough fox]

apple pretty much pays my wages and I would rather see every company leave the IOS store. in the hopes that they would start playing nicely with everyone else.

[rough fox]

i can agree with that but also everyone's life is different. cant expect everyone to have full rundown on who is weak to what and how to exploit xy and z.

[magic lion]

Agree for the most part lamp. Gilga sucks against beo/ summoners. Heretic was a pretty solid beat all class for me at 136 AL until g.ursa came along. But that was years of fine tuning territory play. Maybe gilga would be similar if I cared enough to invest the time into it like I did heretic, but I'll return to my roots soon enough. Hopefully

Well.. everyone sucks against GSH if the GSH knows what they're doing, but not too many do lol

[cursive solar]

My ALs are RS 62, Hera 30, Bestla 35, GS 20, Deity 12, Gallia 4, and Magistrate 1.

[rough fox]

Thx, not super important, I wondered if you were a middle/high AL player saying that.

[pliant needle]

I had to hop from heretic to realm for certain opponents on the highway and then to deity to try to withstand some beat downs. You learn what works. Constantly beating the drum that the strong players need to be nerfed so the newer players can compete is just irrational and negates the way the game was designed - to play multiple classes and learn the counter to every build.

[wary pulsar]

I just hop between different varieties of Realmshifter depending on who I encounter in territory

You also can just force a specific class

[rough fox]

I still don't have the Orns to jump between like that. even if I only have to pay one time for the initial setup 😄 Just unlocked the final classes. at 242.

[wary pulsar]

Sounds like you need Endless in your life

[rough fox]

dont even have a celestial class yet. so..

[rough fox]

Personal best is 211. still working on that.

[magic lion]

#1275487953480712324 message sooo is this something that requires a bug report since the legacy territory achievement was removed? Honestly, I wouldn't have built a conquerors guild until after I hit the 100k taken mark. I was under the impression it was going to stay. Had to give 53 a heads up to not jump in until he hits that 250k mark if he plans on getting into settlements. Would suck so bad being 1k off and losing it.

[cursive solar]

I haven't seen any of the locals around here in the live beta. The one I talked with said that they're waiting to get more territories for the badge beforehand.

[magic lion]

Curious if the badge changes. Im going to let myself get pushed to #10 and see lol. As long as it happens before next week 😆

[wary pulsar]

53 hasn't taken much territory in a while

It'd be nice if the Conq guild made him come back

[magic lion]

Yeah he's been pretty inactive since his last push but he's still around. He's just 1.2k off his 250k taken mark though. He gained a few recently but not many

[wary pulsar]

I tend to know when 53 is active because the territory he takes is usually mine, lol

[magic lion]

Pretty sure the leaderboard change is what turned him off from it. JF said his big motivation was the boards. I don't see settlements doing it, but maybe

[wary pulsar]

I'd like to have some competition again tbh. It's too quiet up in NH

[magic lion]

I'm assuming this was when territory was the leading factor in global since there was mention of him and cokeign going at the #1 spot lol

Off topic, but is the true supporter badge for patreon or spending x amount of money on the game?

[wary pulsar]

Patreon as far as I know

[primal oar]

Personal experience as a 25+ AL GSA, a good smack from the AI and we tend to die, even with 180k+ ward.
Beos, Gilgas, and Deities in that order are the most likely to get your AI if it doesn't trigger absorption.
The longer your AI takes to set up without attacking, the more likely a summoner will get set up to eat you, even with a decent AL gap.

[magic lion]

GSA, I can zero you out with manticore eyes or close to it. Can't stop a GSH. I definitely know the mechanics and know not to have a load of spells in there. You can manipulate the AI to do almost exactly what you want if you study it enough. Mobile Wonder was a prime example of that. Ss will almost always cast turn 1 where ss3 won't

I didn't care to study the AI and spell placements as much as mobile has lol. But spell placement in the slots is a huge determination on what's cast. That includes leaving blank spaces

[primal oar]

I was eating him around where I live before I was t10, he was good training for trying out different strats. At the time he was very turtley. Sad to see him leave.

I'm a more recent player to the game, trying to catch up to everyone's ALs

[magic lion]

Yeah, turtling is the way to go. Otherwise you just get spammed by CA

Or refract/reflect

[primal oar]

Tubbbug and stupidbatman up north are pretty good turtles too

It will be interesting to see all who comes through on the new system. It's definitely not drive-by friendly

[magic lion]

Tubbbug took my heretic defense build 😆 glad to see it still does well. At least the tank mode

He was also in a guild with mobile so I'm sure he gave some pointers. Heretic does pretty good against GS now at high AL but for a while it was brutal

I just want to see g.ursa ca go away 😅. Or at least have some serious stipulations to it in PvP

[wary pulsar]

CA is one of the top pain points in the balance #1084643200725164062 Odie put out at least

[primal oar]

I'm trying a more tank build of GSA but it still lacks in hp, the walls of Aaru is real nice. Gives me some time on the dang gilgas and their 1 turn otkos

[magic lion]

Glad to see it will hopefully get attention. I was told it wasn't outperforming enough to warrant a change when i suggested it but that was back in January/ Feb. Guessing the tournament and some other things had an influence on it

[wary pulsar]

Luckily the discussion thread is based on player feelings, not hard metrics 😆

And players feel like they hate CA metas

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1288533122492924016

[primal oar]

Are the Deities causing issues for people? I've not noticed too much, maybe a couple big shots.

I'm a bit away from 100 AL so everyone up there just hits hard to me :titan_selene:

[spark glade]

Coliseum is just a waste of my time at this point. Can't get anywhere with it any more

Not like I could get far in it enough to win in the past anyways, but now it's a total write-off

[primal oar]

The AL of people it throws you up against at 250 is so wildly different compared to your own, I feel it. Usually a Selene will vaporize me halfway through if I try now lol

I had much better luck around lv 130, I should have done all my coliseum fights then.

[magic lion]

Deities can be a real pita with dex, but overall they are one of the easiest to kill on territory. Ultima still blasts them or just imbue a weapon with an element and eventually you're going to get that elemental weakness hit

The complaints about deity are mostly PvE related. Well aside from d.ursa's DC

[tepid zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ash-fail-gif-5730271

[tepid zodiac]

Just do what the pros do; use twink alts to run low tier coliseum in group.

[spark glade]

Nnnnnnah

[wet sedge]

maybe it will be hard for new players to challenge equip- and skill-optimized Othersouls from veteran players.

[round furnace]

when the beta was still on the other app, i read that the othersouls should be at a disadvantage (because no classes, specs, stats) compared to the new players. Of course, this changes when a t3 player levels up and has a t3 othersouls with worse equipment

[acoustic steppe]

only time will show, it is not like OS are that strong even with top gear

#👋│general message

attack vise this pet just shred that full GFed OS to pieces...defense vise, it has lv11/12 helmet and boots, but lv1 body... so 🤷‍♂️ ...he didn't use that wep anyway

[wary pulsar]

Othersouls are going to teach new players the value of statuses

Because there is literally no way to be immune to everything without accessories

[acoustic steppe]

also to add, I had really hard time to get that area back from that alt after ...😅 had to unequip his armor eventually to be able to take him down

[round furnace]

what would interest me is which tags from the OSM are used to define the POI? Sure, train stations, parks, museums and attractions etc. are included. Do castles/fortresses also count for example?

[rapid fossil]

Stroke indeed

[zenith scarab]

I am not sure it's that much of an advantage other than some people get to enjoy it first. If they can't take it from a player it's highly unlikely they would have been able to defend it from the same player. I guess the only unfair portion of it is that they miss out on a few days of daily income gathering before it goes out to the main pop. The longer the public beta goes, the bigger that advantage gets I guess. In the long term though it really isn't going to matter a hill of beans.

[little sentinel]

Waiting for IOS update….especially if I read correctly all those Google phones get to keep their areas

[acoustic steppe]

So are you saying you want your areas to be deleted once it leave beta and goes into live?

[wary pulsar]

The entire point of the beta happening on the live server and having live server consequences is because people will actually thoroughly test it

Having purely separate beta servers ends up with low testing turnout.

[zenith scarab]

FOMO never feels good though

[acoustic steppe]

Funny is I only found iOS ppl getting mad they don't get in as fast as android and that they won't have same areas...and completly give a F about ppl in live. 😅

[wary pulsar]

From a number of areas perspective: realistically if you're not weak at PvP then iOS users can claim areas just fine once the build goes live. And if they are weak at PvP they weren't going to keep those areas anyway.

The rewards from the Conq guild are reasonable but they still aren't actually game-changingly good. Strictly speaking it's still more efficient not to engage in territory 😆

[pliant needle]

It you're talking orns, you are better to world farm a few bosses a day. The orn piles are not going to help anyone ascend or anything.

[wary pulsar]

At the end of the day it doesn't feel good to miss out, but also nobody is missing out on much (from a Conq guild perspective)

[pliant needle]

Especially in a system designed to cause the conqueror to get weaker over time. Some may find other souls to be easier than the AI that was knocked out by the first guy.

[acoustic steppe]

depends how quickly and how much the ghost system will kick in

if follow old rules, it will be months before it will get weaker than AI

[zenith scarab]

Personally I am not even going to bother with Othersouls outside my immediate local travels

[acoustic steppe]

at least my OS are much stronger than AI

[little sentinel]

One of the pieces about this game that I appreciate and have enjoyed over the last roughly 5 years is that it is equitable to all players. I would like to maintain and make sure that’s gonna stay that way, but this beta testing has a possibility of stewing Players towards one type of phone and phone system compared to another.

I don’t think my concern is invalid or unwarranted.

[acoustic steppe]

First of all, this is not discussion for this thread.

Second - yes, but again, this is beta. What about people who will get it week(s) after you as iOS beta??

[tepid zodiac]

I personally feel the concern is not warranted; a couple pets and some homeless sprite pack is not a huge head start.

[serene dirge]

It's valid, and fine. I wish we could alleviate, but our hands are tied on this one.

no permanent progress = no testing. this is why our private beta tests do not get adequate testing

[little sentinel]

Understood and that’s why I didn’t immediately advocate get rid of it all but having an open discussion is something that I know you and the other developers encourage and request

[zenith scarab]

Anyone tried Othersouls with Charge skills like Sorrow? Does it scale with your kills, not scale at all?

[severe valve]

To be honnest, I would be totally ok not having access to the daily rewards until it goes live for everyone, if it's something seen as too unfair

[acoustic steppe]

I wanted, but sadly didn't do any farming last couple of days. So my charge would be zero ...

So curious too.

[pliant needle]

Rewards are part of the testing though. Otherwise the rewards could be all wonky when full live.

[remote onyx]

iOS player here. Disabling any part of the system would just disincentivize people from testing it. The best thing that can happen to iOS players is to have a ton of people testing it right now so the beta is as short as possible.
Trust me, I want to play with my new toys as much as anyone else, but NF can’t really change the App Store’s rules

[acoustic steppe]

yea, non-beta players is still biggest pool of players, so "couple" of beta ios not getting it fast enough sounds ...weird

[serene dirge]

Thanks for the understanding.

This is my thought as well - expending our resources on disabling pieces of the guild, compromising testing, and taking us away from bug fixing only hurts the final product

[umbral mango]

Speaking of rewards- is there a possibility of getting a way to access the rewards tab for all your settlements from the guild? I imagine that might be a bit of a coding nightmare but kind of like the "king demands tribute". It could even have a cool down or only apply to the next day onwards. Or have you click a reward and all settlements with that option available swap to it or some such.

I ask as a currently rural player where a lot of these settlements are in places where I'm lucky if I connect to the server in time to fight or not and I can't imagine being able to change them all in person when some take a good minute or five to load

[acoustic steppe]

I just take it as part of a game and I'm reconciled that rewards will be pretty random. 👀

[remote onyx]

This is a lesson to all iOS players: make sure your significant other is on Android, that way you can steal their phone whenever there’s a new beta

Funilly enough, you can see the guild on iOS once you’ve built it on an android, you just can’t interact with it

[acoustic steppe]

or you know ..have some spare phones and tablets laying around 😄

[remote onyx]

Unfortunately, once you’re on iOS, Steve Jobs will come back from the dead and haunt if you own a spare android device

[little sentinel]

My problem is that the students phones that I take when they’re using them in the classroom are all Apple based

[acoustic steppe]

sounds like snob school

[umbral mango]

That's fair!

I do think that that will favor those who travel/live in areas with a ton of settlements though as places with sparser spread might want to make sure they get as many of a particular thing as possible

[acoustic steppe]

It depends a lot if there is a cap and how it will work. I will probably be "in touch" with ~2000 crownships regulary. But others will be random taken during road and never setup again. And that will be several times more than the first category...

So will I get the reward from all of them, or from the first category (which will be taken much sooner), or some mix? Or there is no cap ..

[manic flower]

Has there been discussion about how annoying it is to pick the right castle when they're all stacked like this?

I'm late to the discussion.

[serene dirge]

yes, the plan is to prevent such clustering

[zenith scarab]

But the one on the left almost forms a v for victory

[serene dirge]

or migrating geese

[zenith scarab]

It is that time of year.

[serene dirge]

aye

[crisp condor]

Oh odie

You can cluster them all on my OT

I will tank it for the team💪

[silk grotto]

I think the sprites are bugged when in settlements, it shows only my main one
Would be cool to shown all the ones i selected for each othersoul (sending here too alongside general because would be a good change )

[cursive solar]

That might be hard to tell which one you control.

It was easy with territories to know if you had it or not because it would be greyed out.

[silk grotto]

That's true

[strong comet]

Disneyland might suddenly be worth going to

[rough fox]

Ill be getting my face painted with goofy. save me a plane ticket.

[manic flower]

It truly does show a common complaint from the community regarding interacting with stacked buildings.

Other than this shenanigan, that's pending a fix, it seems to be functioning well on my side.

Waiting to see how the rewards are, and to see if anyone fights me for these.

[rough fox]

Tower rotation and rift real there is where it's at...

[gentle idol]

Territory amities are working for settlement?

[crisp condor]

Hopefully lol

[crisp condor]

I see a lot more monuments on my route to work, and a lot less settlements

[warm wigeon]

Is there a benefit to taking tiers lower than the top tier ?

Like do rewards collected roll twice or na

[acoustic steppe]

Each crown should give reward.

[severe valve]

It would be weird not to receive some benefit from othersouls, but I agree it would help to know exactly how it works.
According to the fact the emperor deceide the kind of reward for the settlements, it means if lower tier player take a spot in this settlement he will have some rewards, and I assume the othersouls too

One way to test it would be to take the emperor spot of a settlement with main character, and just take one spot with an alt, and roll the rewards with the alt once ?

[acoustic steppe]

I mean, I have 1290 crownship, which will be like...300 settlements. And this is today reward

So I guess it is per crown.

[severe valve]

C'mon, this man doesn't have OFSC, give him some interesting mats !

[magic lion]

699 crownships and my mats aren't far off yours 👀

The orns and gold is the only notable difference

[severe valve]

5 mats vs 2

[magic lion]

True lol. But isn't that random?

I've had more mats in yesterday's roll

Not in the stack but more than 2 different mats

[severe valve]

It depends partly on what you selected on your settlements I guess

Also maybe depends on the spot you took on the settlements. If it's mainly T10/11 it may give more reward than someone who take all 5

[magic lion]

But even then it's just an increased chance. I tend to not even select mat piles so that's probably the difference

I take them all, it's all really close to me. Haven't bothered going out of my way just to and from work for all of those

[severe valve]

Ok, so It's just like Gurnnink did it seems

On the SS, It's around x4 for orns and gold, between x3 and 4 for amounts of mats. I think Gurnnink mainly selected mats when it was possible ?

[magic lion]

I'll have to check it again tomorrow. Actually forgot to collect yesterday's rewards and it was the day before that had the larger number of mats, but the stacks were small. So maybe if you have less mats the stack is larger and more mats the stacks are smaller to even out to whatever the cap is on your mats. If that makes sense, I'm overly tired lol

Maybe I'll dust off the t11 alt and test the other soul theory. Just take the main crownship and collect for a few days then take the other souls spots and collect to see the difference

[acoustic steppe]

Everything is double or more?

Apart proofs

Orns,golds and mats are...

This is previous roll

With "only" 3 mats.

Gold and orn amount is same. Exactly same.

567 and 570 mats

So pretty much same for both too

You have 188 mats 🙃 thats far off

[wary pulsar]

I am quickly realizing that "diminishing returns" actually means "hard caps that you hit quickly"

[acoustic steppe]

Proof of crownship?

I want to see where mat cap is...

[tepid zodiac]

The proofs hit that cap quick

[wary pulsar]

Maybe there are diminishing returns/ soft caps for real on materials. But for everything the cap looks hard

[tepid zodiac]

I have like 200 or so, and get 12 or 13 proofs

[rough fox]

Inclined to agree with you. No screenshots to share since I collected before going to bed, I only have about 60 settlements and I'm getting 11 proofs. and about 20 materials. (setting: Proof > orn > floren > materials for my settings)

[opal sandal]

I have conquered 595 crownships
I chose the rewards available according this prioritization

1. materials
2. proofs of crownship
3. crownguard
4. florens
5. shrine
6. orns

This is from yesterday, same prioritization, 326 crownships.

[rough fox]

almost have enough data to build a crownship vs rewards chart. 😄

[rapid fossil]

I would just like to call back attention to this so we can be reminded and/or revise it!

[umbral mango]

Ahh I should've screenshotted mine

I have 265 crownships- priorities I set are:
-Proof of Crownships
-Mats
-Crownguards
-Items
-Shrines
-Orns
-Gold
-Florens

And I'm actually not too far behind those screenshots. Less orns and few types of materials but same number of proofs, Florens and gold

[acoustic steppe]

well, proofs cap will be really low so you can spam Crownguards every 24hours

so 17 looks like cap

that means ...set every settlement i can reach to no-proof 😄

since there will be many where i won't be able to set

similiar to "chance" for base Settler's Crownguard - big no no

sadly, Kapara mats are really close to mine

so it seems soft cap for mats is ...low too

[rugged heath]

I remember reading during beta that highly contested settlements are more valuable. Not sure if that’s supposed to mean they provide more rewards, but is there enough data to see if that’s the case?

[acoustic steppe]

only thing I have singnifacntly more than other is orn/gold

(tho the total values are low anyway)

Also, how much areas did you lost to NPC? Cuz I have those 1290 from day 2 ...and I didn't lost single one. I know my OS are kinda stacked, I'm just curious if NPC really try to battle your OS or it is just event "you lost it".

[rapid fossil]

At least in the private beta, my cap was a fluctuating 21-25. Not enough for a better daily crownguard. Down with caps.

[tepid zodiac]

Should I hold off on a bike trip for a bit ? Estimated time for the poi and things to settle?

[wary pulsar]

If things shift after you've claimed them, you still own them. They might just be somewhere else

(Per Odie)

[rough fox]

its possible the mat and crown cap will shift once the rest of they players are in? its really only a small number of android beta players right now remember. maybe its to "limit the advantage" 😄 ?maybe?

[wary pulsar]

If that was happening I feel like Odie might've said something to placate the iOS players

[rough fox]

True. but if the mat caps are too low maybe thats a positive spin later statement when it gets increased 😉

[crisp condor]

I can see the changes to the clusters of POIs

But my side of the city still has only one settlement

And that is it
No towers, no momuments.
I did have a tower kinda in VD on the other phase of the changes

[severe valve]

Did you check with your scouthawk ?

Having one tower in range of VD shouldn't be, IMO, an automatic we should expect on each week. It feels fine IMHO to have like one in VD range average 1 week/2, and some "lucky" weeks with 2 and some very lucky weeks with 2+. Before the update, I rarely had to walk more than 5 minutes on "bad" week to reach one (with max VD) and I think it's fair

[rough fox]

I have had a tower in less than 1km 1 time(that I am aware of) in my orna career. 🙂 was a special great week of progress for me.

[acoustic steppe]

Well, we dont know what material cap is yet. Capara has 490, I have 570. But I didn't set much of areas. I have on the other hand 2,5x times orns and 4x gold. So I guess I can have similar amount material settlements as he has.

[severe valve]

It's surely more than 570 but I can't say the cap

(603 on my side)

Lightstone runestone and leather

[acoustic steppe]

Would be nice to get some number from those top guys.

Imo it seems mat type/quality doesnt matter?

I have same amount for 3 days in row

Total amount*

[severe valve]

According to several SS from 2 days in a row without any change in number of settlements, I agree

@winged carbon yo, tu peux caler ici un screenshot de tes revenus du jour en conq guild stp ?

@opal vector if possible too 🤞🙏

Hello and gg by the way 😋

[cursive solar]

She posted a rewards screenshot in the Unfelled Battle Club

[severe valve]

Thank you ! i ll wait for her answer, I don't want to share it here without permission

SS1 : 2 days ago with 1250+ crownship

SS2 : yesterday with 2250+ crownship

(those are Requiem results. I may have his today results later)

If I'm correct, he deceided to reduce the "mat" selection between first and second SS

[clever scroll]

Um, so the cap for Proofs of Crownships is around 20

[crisp condor]

Yes

[crisp condor]

I don't expect them to be in VD
But the closest one is still 5km away

When there are zones with 5 of them

[rough fox]

colleges, amusment parks it seems like. 😄

[crisp condor]

Indeed

But not all of them

[rough fox]

3KM is average for me. 😄

agreed.

[crisp condor]

Since my area is full of schools, parks and especially subway stations

[rough fox]

public transit... i envy you. i would go sit on a bus and ride around town if they had those here. 😄

[crisp condor]

The cluster got better but my point is that the distribution still needs work

[rough fox]

I would expect you to have a decent number of them.

[crisp condor]

Yeah, a lot of them actually

That's why the cluster happend

[rough fox]

its a work in progress so i guess dont get bent out of shape too early? 😄

[crisp condor]

Oh I don't mind it

I was just giving my insight

[rough fox]

i lost the three towers that were in the parks near me with the last reset i have not been out again today to see what its like.

[crisp condor]

😦

[rough fox]

yeah. i wasnt trying to say you were upset sorry if it sounded like that. any ways. time to go get groceries and off the comptuer so ill see what its like in the town 😄

[crisp condor]

Time to work for me too lol

[rough fox]

lol $$ is important

[severe valve]

Folllowing #1275487953480712324 message

Here are today results with 2632

Is there a mat cap ? Where is it ?

This kind of mechanics (the conq guild rewards, especially mats) has reaaaallly to be prepared with caution IMHO, as for now, according to the rewards (but maybe we ll see some kind of cap or something like that on screenshots with even more crownship), it clearly may have a potentiel to broke the in game mats economy

[red obsidian]

Here is 1118 Crowns with priorities:
Materials
Proof of Crownship
Crownguard- wondering if more can lead to getting a better quality
Orns
Florens
Gold
Item- Since you can only get 1
Shrine- Since you can only get 1

[frozen wasp]

Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm passing along a message of negative feelings towards the Conqueror's Guild sprite pack, in particular that it is (paraphrased) "not visually appealing enough".
They have additionally made comment that the T8/T9 and T10/T11 Othersoul's sprites do have the pizazz that they are hoping/looking for.

[tepid zodiac]

The name on this one got me

Seems like the local cluster got shuffled and there's 3 instead of 6 +

[magic lion]

Being that you can only collect it once a day and the investment that has to go into the guild compared to others I don't really see it being a game breaking mat economy. You can run dm's all day long for thousands of mats, same with anguish, towers, etc. I agree with knight that overall almost everything else is still better than the rewards from conq guild

Currently you can't buy mats from the guild itself. If you could then I can see how it would be a concern

[severe valve]

Thing is, if it appears there's no real cap, it can quickly become an issue, especially for something that, I agree, requires some investement at first but then just require to click once a day, it has a real potentiel to become problematic and to break game economy.
Assuming there's no cap, if someone wants to strongly benefit from this guild, he just have to spent some time until it becomes "good", and you can't compare this kind of mechanics with other ones (anguish, tower for exemple) as they require to spend some time each day if you want to have reward from it each day

[magic lion]

Butttt they would have to constantly go around and interact with all of their settlements to maintain getting rewards if interaction with the guild is required to keep them producing. If they live in an area where they don't get contested by anyone else

[severe valve]

No cap ? Then for some day/week, go for a settlements hunt, focusing places less likely to have some other players talking them back, until the rewards become huge. You're more than aware than some players were already really invested Into the "old" territory system and the rewards were trash (sorry for this word), if the rewards are not caped or if there s no efficient limitating mechanics, it clearly has a potentiel to causes some trouble in the game economy

[magic lion]

Invested in it but not for the rewards. I still personally don't care about the rewards in settlements either

[severe valve]

Buttttttt yes we agree, butttt this has to be taken into account right as it's a beta discussion so it seems fair to point it may cause some issues if those things are not taken into account

[magic lion]

There is supposed to be diminishing returns when there's no interaction though. How long that takes is up in the air I guess atm. Since some people seem to be getting destroyed by npcs and others haven't had that interaction yet lol

[severe valve]

For now, we have no real Idea about the potential existing limitating factors as : rewards from a few days in a row for players with same number of settlements were stable (according to several SS in this case) + we have no idea if there's a cap or not = for now, to me, the concern seems fair to be pointed

[magic lion]

Ceri had a big chunk of mats from her settlements, it'll be interesting to see if they go down since a lot of those were on a trip she had and she won't be near them again. At least any time soon most likely

[severe valve]

Yes, that's all those things we need to understand better. If there are already some kind of limitating system to avoid the kind of concern I shared then it's completely fine, if there s not, then we may have an issue, so we ll see

[severe valve]

Yes we totally agree

Because if not, no need to be Einstein to understand if may become something easy to exploit, and it would be bad for the game

Sorry for being the annoying french man, that's my thread role !
Side note : I spent the while day on public transport/walking in/around Paris, enjoying the game as it feels so nice with all those things (dungeons, towers, now settlements) to interact with.

[magic lion]

I don't disagree, but it seems like the goal is to accelerate ascending. I have no idea if ascension 2.0 is still on the road map it just seems to me like the goal is to make it easier for lower AL people to be able to ascend as fast as possible to start closing the gap on the higher AL players

That's probably the easier route rather than reworking or changing ascension all together

[remote onyx]

Exploit? Having thousands of settlements to get mats isn’t an exploit, it’s a ton of work. Especially when we give access to everyone and competition for them increase

[severe valve]

I don't disagree with the idea of helping, and finding new way to help everyone having some more fun and some more access to AL, and I'm definitely a huge fan of the guilds system idea. But improving mats farming abilities is a thing, breaking it is a no

[severe valve]

if the rewards keep being the same for the next thousands days after the effort you put first to take the settlements, then yes in this case this tend to be exploitable, so it may be an exploit

It's not because something require some work that it can't become an exploit

[remote onyx]

You need to keep them active to get rewards, so you need to keep putting in the work

[wary pulsar]

Yeah settlements that haven't been visited recently will stop giving rewards

This was answered by Odie during the earlier beta

[severe valve]

If I tell you I ll send you 500k of each mat if you kill one goblin lord, you could still tell me it's not an exploit as it took you some effort to kill it, so that's not what determine what may be seen as an exploit or not

[remote onyx]

That analogy makes no sense here

[severe valve]

That's the kind of limitating mechanics we talked about. If those kind of things are already here and balanced, then it's totally fine

[wary pulsar]

I found this by searching from:odie Kevin because that's the part I remembered

[severe valve]

That's the kind of things I was hoping yes 🙂

So let's hope to have some more détails in the next days about it with some new SS ! To see exactly how it works.
I m (again) not hoping to kill the guild, I m just hoping for this Guild (and everything else) to be as fair and balanced as possible.
Thank you for the talks and see you when we ll have the next datas !

[magic lion]

Sorry, I was just assuming you had seen that in the earlier discussions and knew that at some point settlements will stop producing mats which is why it shouldn't be too problematic

[severe valve]

Sorry on my side too, I didn't remember or maybe didn't seen this was already taken into account and shared my concerns according to the current datas we have, wich may be biased as the limitating thing take probably more than a few days to be seen. Thanks for your understanding

To end this talk with some "fun" here is the translation of a message I sent when we talked about it in the french discord :
If you want what I'm thinking, if little Billy who often goes on weekends with Mom and Dad finds himself recovering, after a few weeks, a very substantial number of materials with a simple click per day because he will have spent a few hours here and there kicking shit on the road, it can still seriously distort the economy of the game